Logan and Remus’ dynamic is just so funny to me. It’s like the stoic friend who gives 0 fucks having a solo day with the friend who would probably punch a cop then steal their car.
Logan snapping "Stop ignoring me!" Is really important because often people ignore logic or reason when faced with their intrusive thoughts. I should know, because I have them. Logan feels ignored not only because Thomas is having trouble with his intrusive thoughts, but is not getting anything productive done. Intrusive thoughts are very annoying to say the least.
I agree entirely wit this comment, as someone who also deals with intrusive thoughts, ignoring logic and reason when facing them is something I do frequently
Seconded! One of by biggest theories going off this is that Logan *is* the next dark side, and only shows that side of himself when he isn't being listened to. Or, at the very least, the next dark side is a direct counter to Logan. :)
@@naqidoesps4 ya, i looked it up and just finished watching it! it is 3:30 in the morning for me and I am tired so now my brain hurts and I didn't really understand much of it but it was good! thanks though
can we appreciate Logan's growth? he started off being completely unconcerned about Thomas's feelings and emotions, even regarding it as annoying or childish. he only paid attention to the logical side of things and didn't care much about how it made Thomas feel. but now he's actually trying to be more empathetic and help Thomas sort out his feelings, calm down when necessary and generally take care of himself more.
actually, he started off super ok with thomas being a little lenient with schedules for the sake of mental well being, but at the start of season 2 he kinda dropped all bit of emotion and started being more strict with schedules, but he's realizing slowly but surely it's okay to be emotional, which makes his growth all the more refreshing!
Fander theorist 1 : ok So we finally are getting an orange character sadly probably will be evil Logan even though that would be pretty epic Fander theorist 2 : OK but what if it wasn’t even Logan still thinking on your page as well but like what if it’s the dumb side what does that sound stupid Fander theorist 1 : no no I see where you’re coming from Etc
Logan is amazing and loving. 1) Helping Thomas get a schedule. 2) Taking care of his health. 3) Validating him. 4) Being gentle to him. 5) Calming his fears.
If Patton's opposite is Janus (Beholders of Thomas' feelings and personal needs), and Roman's is Remus (Thomas' dreams and desires), it wouldn't make sense that Logan's opposite is Virgil but rather Virgil is his own manifestation, as well as Logan. I believe that Logan is going to be a dual representation rather than a split duo like Patton/Janus and Roman/Remus. He is the gray area between the "good" and the "bad" sides.
I have seen this theory that Roman and Remus can combine into one 🤔 if this is true then could that mean Logans opposite is already combined with him(The same person)
As Logan is the only one that saw that the dark sides have value when they first showed up it would be interesting to see that Logan was both a light and a dark side like Virgil. Cause Logic can be used to both positively and negatively effect someone's mental stability and their physical wellbeing, which Logan has shown to care about deeply. We already knew that he felt like he was being ignored, and his outburst and the orange eyes are Remus tell us this is still true...
I know everyone is excited for the reveal of a new side (orange), or Remus's antics, but can we take a moment to appreciate how Logan was able to repeatedly recognize when Thomas was about to spiral (Through Remus's influence/visualized by what Remus's rube goldbergs), and three separate times, he allowed his schedule to take the back burner in favor of Thomas's wellbeing. Like he is Logic, and adhering to the schedule is not always the most logical thing to do.
Okay, can we appreciate how much Logan is growing and taking on criticism? He’s allowing Thomas more free time even if he made plans, EVEN when Thomas doesn’t ask for it, he’s sticking around while Thomas is on edge (notice the lack of other sides) and is making sure he’s okay. We love Logan, is what I’m saying. Oh, and I also feel sad about the ending now :)
I feel so bad for Logan. He's constantly ignored/disregarded, assaulted and he's just trying to help. I could feel his pain when Thomas went to meet with Nico
The fact that Logan doesn't push him to just get on with stuff and looks out for Thomas' wellbeing and understands he's not doing well. That's huge growth from s1. Logan
Everyone's talking about the orange Side and Logan finally reaching his limit and other important things, but I just wanna take a second to appreciate the idea of Remus having a spanking fetish and trying to get Logan to participate in some teacher-student BDSM roleplay with him. It's, like, the most fitting thing ever.
He also had all of his chaos in the form of Rube Goldberg contraptions needlessly complicated and dramatic to do something like throw knives, open doors and, make the bed
That's a stretch. Looking at such truths is only a byproduct of interacting with Remus; as we've seen, Remus only wants Thomas to acknowledge his ideas.
I love that Remus is basically honesty in some weird way. Logan represses his own feelings, Roman hides his self-esteem issues, Virgil has A TON of secrets, Janus is DECEIT, and Patton has repressed his feelings, Thomas' scary thoughts, and he's tried to sugar-coat what he thought Thomas' morals should be (even when he wasn't sure). Remus has been completely honest this whole time. Remus doesn't care about how Thomas thinks of him, he just wants Thomas to acknowledge his way of creativity (even then, he's just doing his own thing).
intrusive thoughts aren't necessarily true, though; a lot of them aren't. with intrusive thoughts, you just need to see them, acknowledge them, and then move on with your day (because ignoring them makes them louder). ascribing too much significance to intrusive thoughts can be very destructive.
@@AwkwardDancer93 of course normal instructive thoughts have little to no meaning, but when they get more violent and frequent, it’s usually because you’re repressing something
Janus eating the apple after saying "Everything is just fine." - THE SYMBOLISM - foreshadowing that we are going to learn more about the orange side soon!!! AHHHH
@@Ashokas_Wheelhouse That's what I meant by the symbolism, the apple/tree of knowledge and all that, it is VERY damn cool, I love that stuff in Sanders Sides
I find it interesting that right before the “Stop ignoring me” part, we see Thomas get mad over, in his eyes, being ignored by Nico. You can see frustration and bitterness in that moment. He hadn’t shown anger towards the lack of a response earlier. He was upset/disappointed but Logan’s calmness attempted to keep him on track. only once Logan snapped and lashed out in anger did Thomas feel angry and rejected. Really cements in my mind that not only is the Orange Side Rage/Wrath, but that Logan is a bit more connected to him than just being his counterpart, like Janus/Patton and Roman/Remus. They both have unique relationships to their parallel, Roman and Remus being brothers, so it’s not too far fetched. I think it’s really cool to consider that rage only comes out when logic can’t function correctly, making him more rare to see and honestly a lot scarier than the others that can exist alongside their opposite. That means Logan is responsible for keeping him at bay, and if he is a part of him it makes sense that when that part of him is triggered he gets angry. To add on to that, I’m gonna point out that Logan, despite claiming to not have emotions, has the most anger out of everyone else throughout the series, maybe even beating Roman, who represents ego. Just some food for thought. Edit- Hi- Just adding on to this because I have nothing better to do. I don’t think the orange side will be solely rage or fury, I just think that’ll be a big part of him. No side is one thing, they’re complicated, and that has been explored quite a bit in the newer episodes (particularly with Janus so far). I can’t predict Orange’s exact name, I just usually call him rage because that’s what makes the most sense to me. I’m pretty confident the orange side will have something to do with lashing out in anger based on the hint in this video, because that hasn’t really been explored yet. But, adding on to my initial theory, it has been shown, just not focused on. Overlooked, even. Like when Logan threw the crumbled up paper in anger. Or when Logan yelled angrily at Janus in the courtroom. Those were both small instances, but they’re both notable in my head because of how sudden the reaction was (and them both being from Logan, of course). The reactions in those two examples were also in response to being insulted. That made me think the orange side might have to do with some kind of pride, but I don’t know, Roman is already ego and those are quite similar so probably not. Still a possibility. Another thing, after Logan threw the paper, he apologized and said he should probably leave, but was promptly forced to stay. To add on to the idea that he doesn’t like to be involved in discussions while he’s angry, though this may be a stretch, in the Selfishness vs. Selflessness video (pt 2), Thomas starts off very angry and furious over feeling ignored at the wedding. Logan is not here for this, but once Thomas calmed down and not focused on that does Logan choose to pop up and share his thoughts. While, yes, he did say he wasn’t an expert in this area and that was the apparent reasoning, he also made a comment on not wanting to waste energy (or something along those lines). I just found that weird but I could be wrong. Sorry if this was a bit too scrambled and all over the place, I just felt like sharing more thoughts because I’m kind of hyperfixated on all of this lol. Thanks for reading :) Edit 2 : Sorry sorry last edit I swear- just kidding it probably won’t be knowing me lol- Thanks so much for the input and comments on this, seeing other fans views is so cool and you’re all really nice, I appreciate it a lot! Have a great day and eat a second cookie because you earned it
You're right it is terrifying to think that we'll see a lot less of anger as a side even if it's not technically separate from logan. It's even more powerful than Janus who honestly scared me the most at first intro
@@morefrecklesthansense9817 I know right? Also same, he looks very intimidating. Cool but intimidating. Still, I know I’m gonna love the “Rage” side whether my theory is true or not (not an original theory but still the one I believe).
@@bethanyward9043 Thank you! I honestly have a lot to say but I can’t sit down and type it all out at once lol- probably not a good use of time either ha- either way thanks, I appreciate it :)
Janus and Remus being the only people remotely aware of how much everyone is ignoring Logan is kind of sad. But it does make sense that they wouldn't point it out, as it will probably allow another Darkside to show up.
I hope at some point we do away with the concept of “Light and Dark” sides because even “wrath” if that is the orange side has a good purpose in people’s lives. Anger in healthy amounts allows one to stand up for themself or give motivation for something. Same if the orange is instead Pride, we need to be prideful of ourselves but too much pride can lead to huge egos and thus quick to rage.
@@ApexCalibre yeah, the series has continuously showed us that even the "light/good" sides of us can hurt us if allowed to take complete control and overshadow every other side. There's a need for balance and cooperation between all of the sides so that one can lead a healthy life. I think the dark sides are called that because we usually think of exhibiting that kind of behaviour as bad, whereas the Light sides are the ones whose existence we tend to encourage and think of as nothing but good. Lying, living in fear and letting intrusive thoughts take up your mind are seen as something bad and Ambition and Creativity, Empathy and Logic are seen as something great that can keep the former three in check, but the truth is Caution, and whatever Janus and Remus embody (wit and cynicism? nihilism? destructive creativity?) are just as necessary to keep the others from becoming too much.
@@angelic252 Janus can also be seen as governing outer presentation in society and self-preservation, so that's his positive purpose. Remus I'm less sure of, but maybe dark creativity? Or maybe self-awareness, given that he tends to bring darker thoughts to light.
I feel like the main colors of each side are gonna complete a rainbow, with the "dark" sides being the opposites to the "light" sides in the color wheel, because remus was the mirror version of roman, and also the complementary color for roman's red, which might indicate that Janus or deceit is somehow a mirror version of anxiety, going off their colors (maybe even virgil was the "dark" side of janus in the first place, but idk) meaning the new orange side that might be coming is a warped or mirror version of Patton and Logan (the color wheel would give both blues an orange hue as complementaries) with something about them being about a "bad" type of logic. -edit: i think virgil and deceit being "opposites" makes sense, as maybe Thomas might view anxiety as some sort of "self-deceit" into thinking something is scary or... Well... Anxiety deserving, than it should be. (Also sorry for bad English, it isn't my first language)
Most people are rarely angry for no reason, there’s often (at the very least in their mind) a logical reason behind their rage Logan never shows many emotions, or claims to not have them. However, on a many many occasions we have seen him portray one emotion, and that’s anger. It makes sense that logic, could be the center for rage. It also makes sense that he would try to keep it locked away
meaning Logan could be both dark blue and orange as a side mhh i see thomas took inspiration from a certain book about a logical man having a anger monster inside of him
Logan has most definitely shown emotion on a number if occasions. Happiness being one of them. Atleast in the earlier episodes. Logan does not smile anymore.
anyways responding to op, he also experiences fear. is he virgil? and idk man, Logan isnt the only one getting angry in this episode. even while Logan is talking to Remus we see clips of c!Thomas getting angry at Nico for not responding. and interestingly enough, he gets angry at Nico when they both have knifes, despite this being a fake scenario he imagined. doesnt seem like an exactly logical reason to get worked up
Can I just say, Thomas woke at 2:00pm, did other stuff for about 20mins, and coloured until 3:20pm. He coloured for an hour, and I don’t know why, but that makes me so happy
“You’re the least favorite side and you know it.” “Logan, can you stop?” “Not that any of you care, but I am unharmed.” This has been happening for a while. Logan :(
Patton even took the chance to skip Logan’s text in Svs redux. Just passed him by like he wasn’t valid. I feel awful for Logan like really he’s so taken for granted
I loved how we could still see Virgil at work even if we couldn’t see him physically. Such good attention to detail. And yeah Frl Remus was really just poking Virgil this whole video
LOGAN NEEDS A RAISE, HE WAS HELPING THOMAS EVEN WITH HIS SCHEDULE AND THEN GETS LEFT AT THE END AND THEN ORANGE EYES AND THEN JANUS AND HOLY CRAP IM DYING
Random fact cause it’s 1am and why not- there’s a part of the rage theory that the sides “names” can’t be said in the series until they’re revealed. E.G Deciet wasn’t said until Janus came So this says that if the theory is right the new side would be rage because anger and wrath have already been said
It kind of only just sank in that Logan and Remus fighting is literally Thomas's Logic trying to fend off his intrusive thoughts in a visual representation of the battle leaving him a wreck throughout the episode. In the end, Remus wins not bc his distractions worked but bc the random intrusive thoughts were a symptom of Thomas being unable to stop thinking about this issue with Nico, THAT was what was actually intruding on his ability to focus on the tasks, including the little fun tasks Logan sets to try and soothe the random episodes - the alarms (literal reminders of the pressuring schedule Logan set) go off and interrupt the nice and fun task (which he's supposed to do until the intrusive thoughts are soothed I.e. representing him paying attention to his mental health) which both breaks his calm focus on the colouring/puzzle/dancing and draws his attention back to his phone and the still unanswered message to Nico. It's all connected, one thing leading to the next and in the process Logan was distracted by the random intrusive thoughts, missing that it wasn't actually something like a screw in the oatmeal or a house intruder that he's focusing too much on, it's a totally separate issue that the alarms he told Thomas to set are constantly reminding him of! And judging by Remus saying (well, singing) "can't fix him all by yourself" he's aware of the true root of the issue and knows Logan isn't...was this his reason for being such a pain? Logan tried to say that he acknoedges that there must be some use for Remus existence at some point but right now Logan is doing something more relevant and important, but that common sense doesn't change the fact that last night was when Thomas sent that text so it's today he's freaking out over it - no amount of calming yourself down from random intrusive thoughts will change that Thomas has something to be concerned about (From his perspective). Logan is trying so hard but just isn't able to pick up on what's ACTUALLY going through Thomas head, or why he jumps at the chance to reassure himself that Nico wants to spend time with him, I think THATS what Remus can bring to the table - understanding the less reasonable parts of how Thomas's mind works!
did u notice they were orange? one of the colors that hasn't been a part of them, red for roman orange for no one yellow for deceit light blue for patton dark blue for logan purple for virgil what's missing is pink and orange, my theory for a long time has been that virgil has split just like roman into anxiety and paranoia I'm thinking maybe logan is splitting too?
@@scocopat457 that actually makes sense because one of the things orange represents is ambition (I think). Since Logan is so set in getting this done at certain times, I wouldn't be too surprised if he were to get out of hand and split up.
It’s the dark side of rage or wraith, showing its presence in the one side that’s been building up to a break, I’m so glad they’re introducing the new in the next sanders sides!
We all talking about Logan and the wine, but let’s not skip over Remus and his “dunce” hat then proceeding to belt “All by myself” (OR THE LOGAN ORANGE EYES EITHER-)
i saw an animatic where logan turned into a dark side, becoming the orange side. and i feel like that theory is gaining more weight and might be cannon. idk
Also with the orange eyes at the very end. I think this new relationship Thomas is having will result in a cheater since Janus was there. Aka meaning deceit in a relationship
I really like that when Logan is trying to reason with Remus, he explicitly mentions that Remus's role has value and will come in handy eventually, because it's the same lesson the sides had to learn when it came to Virgil.
@@princessthyemis the intrusive thoughts are letting you know that you aren’t addressing something. If you’re ignoring something important, intrusive thoughts come to slap you and point you in the right direction
Their both the wine aunt, if all the sides had a dinner logan and janus would be talking to each other because I feel they are very similar, patton would be with roman, virgil would be in a corner or at a table listening to MCR and panic!at the disco, and remus would just be that one annoying child that bothers everyone but logan and janus are too focused on their conversation to care simple.
I've always loved that the Dark Sides have positive aspects to them, and the implication in this video that the "good" sides could have darker aspects absolutely thrills me. Any trait in an extreme can be hazardous.
Well, the thing about the sides is they only are a part of Thomas personality wich means they are all extremist in there particular domain. And no matter what, being an extremist is never good.
@@grayish2538 Well, to me atleast, he almost seems to represent truth in a way. Like he said in his introduction episode "I would never lie to you Thomas". Which seems to have rained true and makes sense. Remus encompasses intrusive thoughts primarily, now, I need to make sure I word this correctly because its very confusing and took me a minute to wrap my head around. He's definitely the most complicated side imo, lol. Ok so, intrusive thoughts are.. how do I put this? Not exactly "telling" of a person, they arent something you inherently plan to do or even want to do. But you still thinks those thoughts which CAN mean something. Now, it has been brought up in episodes before that thoughts don't have to have any meaning whatsoever. Im inclined to believe that about say, the bear trap, or the knife flying through the air. However, for the three primary intrusive thoughts of the video 1 thing is consistent and that is what they are alluding to. That being Thomas's fear of being alone. Take the oat meal scene for starters, Remus gives Thomas the thought of "What if there's something in my food and I choke and die" Thomas proceeds to express to Logan that if that happened there'd be no one there to help him. He'd be doomed do to his being alone and would die alone in the process. The closet? While that's probably the most subtle of the examples here, it still contributes to the overall point. Generally when you live with someone the fear of someone hiding in your home to kill you is diminished, and/or if that were to happen you arent alone, you'd have someone there to help you, protect you, watch you back. Also if someone were to break in to kill you and your there alone then dieing alone is simply a thought that will resurface. Lastly there's the Nico scene/the knife scene, a fear that Nico doesn't actually like him and will leave him. Aswell as a perpetuation of the idea that if Thomas doesn't end it first then Nico will and that will hurt more. To put it into words most everyone has heard re-iterated time and time again in some story, or series, or media, Kill or be Killed or more accurately Hurt, or get Hurt. Resulting in ending up right back where we started sad, afraid, and alone. Remus's role is messy, its scary, its uncomfortable but it IS important. He helps Thomas to realize some unsavory truths. In his own, very, very roundabout way. Remus and Janus are almost a weird antithesis to each other. Janus lies to Thomas, i.e Thomas lying to himself about how truthful he is, but he also gets Thomas to lie to others to protect him. Janus or your decit could represent when your mental health is in the gutter and a friend asks if your ok, your uncomfortable and afraid to talk about it, so your decit has you say "Im fine" to protect you, it doesn't want you to be distressed or to break down so it puts a sheild of false stableness up to keep you safe. While Remus can represent those horrible thoughts that you have when your mental health isn't doing well, the thoughts that you explain to you therapist that they proceed to decifer and use to unveil the truth of you issues, and once you have realized those, potentially ugly and uncomfortable truths, you can then work them out. Id go as far as to say Remus is one of if not the most important or prominent side when contributing to working out mental health. He shows you whats wrong so you can fix it. Remus is step number one to being in a good place mentally.
@@echomoon4693 actually sharks can’t smell blood miles away, because the particles of blood would need to enter their noses for them to smell them, but I know whatcha meant
and then in his second serious appearance he figured out _exactly_ which of Logan's buttons to push, whereas in his first episode he had everyone _but_ Logan pinned down?
The fact we get to see Logan respond with “coffee.” Despite the fact we know he barely took a few sips of it before replacing it with wine made my day.
The puzzle thing could actually be a call back to the Q&A video though because Logan's answer to a question like "how do you like to relax after a hard day?" is puzzling. But liking puzzles fits both Logan and Patton's personalities. So you could be correct.
The way that Logan holds out the "w" sound in "who is updog" and looks directly at Remus as he said it makes me think that he definitely knew what he was doing.
Remus made a huge mistake showing Logan the list because he was just giving away what he was gonna do. That is how Logan was able to stop the things happening.
That is true but with Remus' unpredictability it could have all been a trick even doe he isn't much of a liar so he could have if he would have done it more elegantly caught Logan in a paradox of did he say the truth or not but luckily Logan is too smart for that
I thought the list was supposed to be Thomas' to-do list made by Remus? Cause he said Thomas was "double booked," meaning Re already had a schedule for Thomas. Why would Thomas' schedule be to make those traps?
I love think about how Thomas just sits reading long complicated comments about theory’s and such just laughing because he actually knows who is correct and who is wrong.
@@acetraineraster5171 also did we get a possible orange side name reveal? During the end card, Logan mentioned Apollo. It could have just been the Greek god of the sun, but Logan wouldn't be one to call upon aso called "god," especially when it's not one that Thomas would believe in. Idk, I just chose to spitball here, get my idea out.
Someone on Tumblr pointed out that if you look at Thomas’s phone, the date says *April 20.* That means chronologically, this happened only _a week_ after "Putting Others First". No wonder tensions seem so high between the Sides, especially in the end card. Everything that happened is still very fresh in their minds.
How come Virgil seemed touchy with Patton, tho? Virgil had no participation in that episode. Maybe he was told about it later, and he’s taking a side? Ngl, if he is, and it’s seemingly against Patton, then it would have to be Roman’s side, which could also explain why they seemed to be getting along in Flirt or Flight. Which would be adorable, cause like, PRINXIETYYYYYY
@@winterling223 I think it's more because he's still sort of mad about Patton treating him like he's younger than the rest, but I also can't imagine he wasn't aware of what happened in POF since everyone else (meaning Remus) seems to be?
Okay theory. Remus wasn’t trying to get to Thomas. He was trying to get to Logan, through Thomas. He forced Logan to confront him, and pushed until those eyes came out
As an addition, Remus is right. Logan wants to scream at Thomas. He’s so used to being ignored as Thomas either sides with Patton and Roman for fun, or Virgil to deal with his feelings. Logan is ignored. And we see Logan in that moment parallel Thomas. He reverted to normal as soon as Thomas realised he wasn’t being ignored. Even more so when that ignoring had a logical explanation. It might be that he’s far more connected to Thomas’ emotions than the others.
I didn't think of it that way... yea maybe Remus wasn't trying to get to thomas but instead he was trying to get the dark side version of Logan to come out
The orange side is most likely to be Wrath as everyone is theorizing. But Id just like to take a moment to appreciate how far this series has come as it literally started with him taking to himself in a room and now its a whole ass miniseries with cinematography!
Right after Remus said "And who do you really want to scream that at?" I got an ad for "Mr. Clean magic erasers!" I guess Remus's hatred for soap transcends even into the ads...
Reminds me of in the game A Hat In Time, when Snatcher is sitting in his house, he’s reading the book “how to kill kids” and chapter 1 just has a picture of a knife and chapter 2 is a picture of poison
Logan’s speech about not being flashy and not being able to get through to someone was very well written. Logic gets often ignored in favor of more impulsive anxieties and fits of human passion. But we all need a little logic to keep us balanced
I literally screamed when Logan's eyes went Orange. There's an animatic over the song "Erased Me" and it totally predicted this. If anyone sees this comment, I highly recommend it.
My heart broke when Logan was just standing in the apartment all by himself when he tried so hard and was meeting everyone halfway like even talking to Remus to find a middle ground...Im so sad, i just want to hug Logan so bad...I also feel this so much right now, i have so many chores to do and im gonna go and work through as much as i can! For Logan!
He has come so far, and is able to acknowledge when Thomas isn't in the right headspace to think logically so instead of trying to force him to think logically he gives him something to relax and get back to that positive headspace to then do what they need to. But then the other sides and even Thomas sometimes will ignore him, tease him, and just argue against him. Poor boy : (
I love how Remus could have so easily just done half of the things to freak Thomas out himself, but instead, he relies on the most convoluted 'Home alone' stunts
I think those weird things were a metaphor for the 'subconcious' 'thought process' behind intrusive thoughts that no-one is aware of that end up leading to the intrusive thought.
Wait... is Remus craftier than we give him credit for? He was making it out like he was trying to bring down Thomas the whole day, but in the end, it was Logan that had the breakdown...
@@theantagonist2589 To be fair they are both Thomas, Remus was actively bringing down Thomas by bringing down Logan, it's just that Logan didn't see it coming, which is a bit ironic considering tactical battle strategies should really be in his wheel house
@@mossman15 That would probably be his forte in a proper battle, but Logan seems to be more focused on "cooperation for maximum efficiency". To his thinking, he's not in a battle, he wants to work *with* Remus and the others, and his priority isn't "winning" but it's giving Thomas the best life he can within his own capabilities.
I think it's more interesting that Logan acknowledged that whatever Remus was trying to do could help Thomas, just that he disagreed with it and wanted to help him differently today.
“Everything is just fine” then queue the orange eyes + stop ignoring me from Logan? Yh, the orange side is anger. With Thomas’ religious upbringing, social anxiety, eagerness to be a “good person” and the amount of time Logan is ignored& his subsequent anger, no wonder Wrath has been suppressed for so long and Logan has been able to have so much power over the dark sides.
I'm not sure he has that much more power over them. He might just look through their bs easier than the other sides because he is, well thinking logically
You makes such a good point about Thomas repressing his anger! I've always been the person that was like 'oh yeah i never get angry, you've never seen me truly mad' and when I told this to my therapist she just sighed and said 'you must be so angry at yourself because you don't know where to direct your anger otherwise'. And she was so right! And when you look at Thomas it could very well be the same case, just looking at his insecurities for instance!
adding in the fact that Thomas was constantly feeling alone ( If I die, no one would be able to save me if I choked ) paralleled Logan’s feeling throughout the series ( but not in the ‘ I want a romantic relationship’ way but in a I don’t want to be ignored kind of way) Thomas felt alone during most of the episode and Logan did his best to help, and it starts working ( their relationship; Thomas actually cleaning and stuff) until Thomas leaves and ignores his wishes once more, I know this seems kind of obvious but I love how they portrayed it.
Can we appreciate how everything that Remus does is a perfect representation on how intrusive thoughts snowball when you leave them unattended and how one intrusive thought creates a domino effect of intrusive thoughts.
He acts these characters so well and has developed them to such a T that I sometimes forget he's acting them all himself. I know it sounds dumb but I see them and think "Thomas is talking to Logan" not "Thomas is 'talking' to himself playing the character Logan". TL;DR: Great acting, amazing characters, love the audio work and the cinematography! Edit: I love how elabourite Remus' schemes are, really ties in how a tangent of thoughts can spiral into intrusive ones (speaking from experiance at least, idk about others)
I just realized, when Remus was messing with Thomas it was like he was also messing with Roman, Virgil, and Patton. Remus first reminded that Thomas had no one with him, which messes with Roman. Then he made Thomas paranoid about someone breaking in, which messes with Virgil. Then last was him trying to make Thomas stab Nico testing Thomas's morality, AKA messing with Patton.
The orange side is coming, it might be when Logan snaps, when the others ignore him, again. In the past, he was able to control his anger at times, but it seems like he's breaking.
Agreed. Logan is being ignored more & more, and it is wearing on him. Soon he will not show up when the sides need him and instead the orange side will appear. That's my guess.
Definitely. Like it’s a slow progression in the series but little by little he’s getting more ignored and pushed aside and the others are taking his input and ignoring it in favor of their own. Look at svs redux, while we were all floundering over Pattons transformation and Romans angst, no one payed attention to Logan. He was insulted. His text was skipped by Patton as soon as the option arrived. He was kidnapped and no one realized. Over and over again he’s disregarded and we can see it starting to get to him. I think if he snaps we are gonna see the birth of a new side
I played that part for my brother and he was in stitches. He's never really been into the Sanders Sides and is like whatever but he said he'd watch the whole video because of that one line.
“ah look the closet is BEGGING you to be organised. you see it’s a humorous remark because closets aren’t sentient.” yeah logan. it was funny don’t worry. /srs
No wonder Logan gets mad, the development of a life management system in order to form a more productive, punctual Thomas is his passion project, after all.
I mean to be fair in this episode he has pretty unrealistic expectations for Thomas, expecting him to get done everything he has postpone for days in one single day never was a realistic goal.
Intrusive thoughts can magnify underlying problems in your daily life and Remus has now twice brought attention to the source of problems. First being Remus' introduction brought more adult humor and content in the series, now Remus is pointing out that having Nico in Thomas' life is distracting him from taking time to better himself as well as basic self care.
Which is why I think Patton doesn't like Nico. I can't remember which video but when they brought up Nico, Patton got really uncomfortable. Nico is giving Thomas more things to worry about, which means he's giving Remus more fuel.
*SPOILERS* Okay I know that everyone (including myself) is freaking out about the orange side and all that but I just want to know what was in Remus’s schedule that made Logan dump out his coffee and replace it with wine
Probably all those Home Alone schemes. The knife from the kitchen, the intruder-occupied closet, and the bed leading to Nico. Logan seems pretty aware of them and prepared countermeasures. I bet there was another page involving grinding Logan's gear to tick the Orange Side's tock.
Theory: Logan’s dark side is stress, but it’s not a second person that replaces him (like Remus or Janus), but a power that temporarily corrupts him, seeing that he’s normally put together and stress can make you lose control of logic. Edit: This is the most likes and comments I’ve ever gotten, thank you so much!
Dude that would make so much sense. When I’m stressed I through myself into work cause it never seems to be enough. I can see alternate logan/stress making Thomas over work himself, something that originally seems logical until it gets out of hand
i think the orange side is probably still a separate side. after all we've heard roman say some very remus things before remus showed up. i thought about this a lot a few months ago and i think i know why: so before each dark side shows up, they still exist, right? they're still contributing to thomas, even if they can't show up physically. they still have thoughts and reactions, but they have no actual body to convey them with. so instead of being there in-person, the dark sides "speak" using their opposite side. (at least until they appear in-person and are revealed to thomas.) remus's opposite is roman, obviously. and we do see remus "speak through" roman before showing up for the first time. (been a while since i watched the series, but i believe one of these was at the end of the christmas carol episode, and i think there was another instance of this too.) however this completely stops after DWIT, because remus has an actual body now, and he doesn't need to speak through roman anymore. as for janus, his opposite is patton. and janus is a little bit different - he can disguise as the others, so he has no need to speak directly through patton. he doesn't need to be revealed in order to show up. he just directly appears as patton and contributes to the discussion that way, which we see in CLBG. and finally we arrive at the orange side. i believe the orange side's opposite is logan, and in this video we see him speak through logan. but, though this is the most obvious time, it's not the first time this has happened! for example, in LNTAO, the point where logan throws the paper at roman. it's filmed awfully dramatically for just a throwaway shot, right? that's because it's not a throwaway shot, it's an appearance of orange. there are other times logan lashes out as well that might be orange (though they could just as easily be logan himself getting mad, there's a gray area here). and if you think about it, logan's opposite being orange makes sense. the orange side is clearly wrath. what is more opposed to logic than anger, a purely impulsive, irrational, and thoughtless response?
Just love how Remus also had this planned out here was excited about it and then was just like: :0 that wasn't the line- my beautiful mischievous plan!
Logan and Remus’ dynamic is just so funny to me. It’s like the stoic friend who gives 0 fucks having a solo day with the friend who would probably punch a cop then steal their car.
I love that even thought its obvious whose who, it could be either of them depending on the day
Honestly, perfection 👌
me, the autistic girl who also has adhd: and i'm BOTH OF THEM, JAHAHAHJAJAHA-
I love Logan trying to reason with Remus too, treating him like an accepted side. I'm in tears
It’s more like a weird back and forward
Logan snapping "Stop ignoring me!" Is really important because often people ignore logic or reason when faced with their intrusive thoughts. I should know, because I have them. Logan feels ignored not only because Thomas is having trouble with his intrusive thoughts, but is not getting anything productive done. Intrusive thoughts are very annoying to say the least.
Especially since he's been pushed to the side for the last few episodes
I agree entirely wit this comment, as someone who also deals with intrusive thoughts, ignoring logic and reason when facing them is something I do frequently
Thomas also ignored logan at the end.
Man I miss this fandom :']
Seconded! One of by biggest theories going off this is that Logan *is* the next dark side, and only shows that side of himself when he isn't being listened to. Or, at the very least, the next dark side is a direct counter to Logan. :)
LOGAN. VALIDATING. THOMAS’. FEELINGS. AND. ADJUSTING. CHARACTER. DEVELOPMENT.
THIS. IS. EXACTLY. WHAT. I. WAS. GOING. TO. COMMENT.
YES.
*Screams in Logan's arc*
YES!
BUT WHERE IS THE VALIDATION FOR LOGAN IN RETURN. HE VALIDATED EVERY ONE ELSE IN THIS EP AND WAS NOT VALIDATED IN RETURN 😭😭
Remus screaming "IM ALLERGIC TO SOAP YOU B*TCH" is probably my favourite part of this video
I do love how they made that part of his character I think it is so remus to be allergic to soap
“I DON’T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE IT’S THE SOAP” is a 10/10 line
@@PatientSqueaky I agree
Logan: logic
Roman: creativity
Patton: morality
Virgil: anxiety
Janus: deceit
Remus: the reason we have content warnings
Logan as well because i get the feeling if orange is anger/wrath and logan is going to be the orange side he wont be that nice anymore.
wait....janus?
@@JayJay-wc5ov in the episode before selfish v selfless redux (or maybe it was that episode) it was revealed that deceits name was janus
@@naqidoesps4 ya, i looked it up and just finished watching it! it is 3:30 in the morning for me and I am tired so now my brain hurts and I didn't really understand much of it but it was good! thanks though
Hotel? Trivogo.
Remus: * literally gets stabbed in the eye * “ *I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP!* “
That's my favorite line in the series so far!😂
Remus and Logan are like the kind of roommates who hate each other but can’t leave because they have a lease
No they can't leave because they know they improve each other
@Nathan Stuart get out of here, bridget.
@Nathan Stuart who ask?
Lol the arguments they would have
“I TOLD YOU TO PAY THE BILL”
“ *I NEEDED TO BUY MORE DEODORANT* “
“ BIILS FIRST THEN FOOD YOU HETHEN ”
This literally made my day🤣
can we appreciate Logan's growth? he started off being completely unconcerned about Thomas's feelings and emotions, even regarding it as annoying or childish. he only paid attention to the logical side of things and didn't care much about how it made Thomas feel. but now he's actually trying to be more empathetic and help Thomas sort out his feelings, calm down when necessary and generally take care of himself more.
actually, he started off super ok with thomas being a little lenient with schedules for the sake of mental well being, but at the start of season 2 he kinda dropped all bit of emotion and started being more strict with schedules, but he's realizing slowly but surely it's okay to be emotional, which makes his growth all the more refreshing!
but its not working because he's STILL being ignored and he seems real mad about that@@coyotix
@@coyotixi feel like he's trying his best to be what thomas needs but its not working so shits about to go down soon
LOGAN DUMPING OUT HIS COFFEE AND POURING WINE INTO HIS CUP IS SUCH A MOOD
It really is
XDXD
True lmao
Logan being a wine mom confirmed
He really said "I need something stronger to deal with YOU today"
Remus is so painfully Roman's brother, I'm losing my mind-
The drama. The overacting. It's glorious
It truly is. He's so out there and wild and extra and I am living for it.
Its magnificent! You can VERY MUCH tell they are ❤brothers💚
Lmao yes 100% absolutely
Yes, yes it is
Can you like, favorite a comment
no one:
logans orange eyes: *exist*
the fandom: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
Yea =>= XD
Fander theorist 1 : ok So we finally are getting an orange character sadly probably will be evil Logan even though that would be pretty epic
Fander theorist 2 : OK but what if it wasn’t even Logan still thinking on your page as well but like what if it’s the dumb side what does that sound stupid
Fander theorist 1 : no no I see where you’re coming from
Etc
AND THE END CREDITS!
Heck yes
22:07 if anyone is wondering
Logan is amazing and loving.
1) Helping Thomas get a schedule.
2) Taking care of his health.
3) Validating him.
4) Being gentle to him.
5) Calming his fears.
YES. THANK YOU.
Ikr? This is why my friend loves Logan
So what you're saying is boyfriend material
I mean he was also possessed by the devil for a second so
Can I adopt him?
Remus being allergic to soap while eating deodorant on the regular is pretty telling about his personality
It reminds me of someone who's lactose intolerant but eats ice cream all the time.
He enjoys the hives
Self destructive, the thing intrusive thoughts can do with ease
intrusive thoughts can be self destructive
@@inkdemon6065 that’s me bestie.
If Patton's opposite is Janus (Beholders of Thomas' feelings and personal needs), and Roman's is Remus (Thomas' dreams and desires), it wouldn't make sense that Logan's opposite is Virgil but rather Virgil is his own manifestation, as well as Logan. I believe that Logan is going to be a dual representation rather than a split duo like Patton/Janus and Roman/Remus. He is the gray area between the "good" and the "bad" sides.
I have seen this theory that Roman and Remus can combine into one 🤔 if this is true then could that mean Logans opposite is already combined with him(The same person)
@@mysterygirl1450 and if that theory is correct, we could assume that the "orange side" and Logan are about to split one day.
As Logan is the only one that saw that the dark sides have value when they first showed up it would be interesting to see that Logan was both a light and a dark side like Virgil.
Cause Logic can be used to both positively and negatively effect someone's mental stability and their physical wellbeing, which Logan has shown to care about deeply. We already knew that he felt like he was being ignored, and his outburst and the orange eyes are Remus tell us this is still true...
I think it more as
Patton - Janus
Roman - Virgil
Remus - Logan
Uuuh i love that!
To know that Logan is the "Aunt that's done with everyone's crap is just drinking through the pain" is probably the best character arc in 5 seconds.
I know everyone is excited for the reveal of a new side (orange), or Remus's antics, but can we take a moment to appreciate how Logan was able to repeatedly recognize when Thomas was about to spiral (Through Remus's influence/visualized by what Remus's rube goldbergs), and three separate times, he allowed his schedule to take the back burner in favor of Thomas's wellbeing.
Like he is Logic, and adhering to the schedule is not always the most logical thing to do.
agreed
Character development.
I would liken this to emotional intelligence, which is still a type of intelligence, so it makes sense that logic(Logan) would grow to understand it
Okay, can we appreciate how much Logan is growing and taking on criticism? He’s allowing Thomas more free time even if he made plans, EVEN when Thomas doesn’t ask for it, he’s sticking around while Thomas is on edge (notice the lack of other sides) and is making sure he’s okay.
We love Logan, is what I’m saying. Oh, and I also feel sad about the ending now :)
Yes indeed
Omg same I cried at the end
I feel sad whenever Logan is ignored, especially when he's like 😐 .. *sink down*
@@piercedsiren ikr
he's also starting to use phrases without the use of the cards! it's a small detail but it does show how he's growing :]
I like how Logan has slowly become more emotionally intelligent overtime. Real character development there!
yesss! exactly what I was thinking
It’s amazing I was like why he’s doing so good with caring about C!Thomas’s emotions
I am so proud of him!
Yess, and i'm SO proud of him for that! Its awesome to see this character growth!
True
Logan: You knew they (closets) weren't sentient, right?
Thomas, who has held a conversation with his stove: ...
XD
Thomas: 👁👄👁
He's now the official wine aunt. 🤣
Every time we get more Remus content, he’s turning more and more into Beetlejuice, and I love that
omg yes
I’m happy I’m not the only one that thought that Remus is more and more becoming Beetlejuice
YESSSSSSS
I feel so bad for Logan. He's constantly ignored/disregarded, assaulted and he's just trying to help. I could feel his pain when Thomas went to meet with Nico
Assaulted
I love the irony of your comment and your pfp cuz yes you are so right and they are so Cassandra-ing him right now!
Same
It's the fact I almost cried during the scene of Logan standing alone in the apartment
Fr I felt so bad for him
So when Logan yelled at Remus his eyes went orange. It seems like we’re finally getting a setup for a new Orange (most likely dark) side
but there’s a side
*to you that i NEVER KNEW NEVER KNEW*
Most likely
well no duh
+ Phoenix Logan?
Or the side is something Anger like most people say
thomas: **just trying to enjoy his lil gay moment**
remus: *hey there bestie*
Thomas: So I'm going to do some chores around the house
Remus: ... And I took that personally.
Thomas: *is trying to be productive*
Remus: *haha no*
I love how Remus says he's allergic to soap, but also eats soap regularly
“There is no rhyme or reason to what I do, I just do.”
Self destructive behaviour
@@Foschops70 Jesus Christ
I swear he has a pain/humiliation kink
Yep that's just why I love him so much!! Doing things he shouldn't do even if it's bad for him💖💚💚💚💚🐙🐙🐙🐀🐀
The fact that Logan doesn't push him to just get on with stuff and looks out for Thomas' wellbeing and understands he's not doing well. That's huge growth from s1. Logan
Yup
He’s logic. He’s learning from the experiences
@@winterling223 That's fair
Yeah...!
100%
Everyone's talking about the orange Side and Logan finally reaching his limit and other important things, but I just wanna take a second to appreciate the idea of Remus having a spanking fetish and trying to get Logan to participate in some teacher-student BDSM roleplay with him. It's, like, the most fitting thing ever.
He also had all of his chaos in the form of Rube Goldberg contraptions needlessly complicated and dramatic to do something like throw knives, open doors and, make the bed
@@stardustartist It kinda feels like the leaps in logic that intrusive thoughts sometimes make (no pun intended)
I had to take a screencap of that part bcuz it was just so good i had to share it xD
OH NO HE WOULD
I cant stop laughing
So, are we just gonna ignore the fact that Logan poured out his coffee and replaced it with wine?
Drunk Logan is now on the table. lol
No, really he's on the table. Can someone get him off of it?
and the fandom says that janus is the wine mom ✋😩
Or that at 22:07 his eyes turned orange-?
100% a wine aunt kind of vibes tbh
I know I laughed so hard
I love how Remus’s role is actually just forcing people to look at uncomfortable truths
That's a stretch. Looking at such truths is only a byproduct of interacting with Remus; as we've seen, Remus only wants Thomas to acknowledge his ideas.
@@Chestnut-xm2pv Remus's song had a section where he talks about how understanding oneself is crucial.
I love that Remus is basically honesty in some weird way. Logan represses his own feelings, Roman hides his self-esteem issues, Virgil has A TON of secrets, Janus is DECEIT, and Patton has repressed his feelings, Thomas' scary thoughts, and he's tried to sugar-coat what he thought Thomas' morals should be (even when he wasn't sure). Remus has been completely honest this whole time. Remus doesn't care about how Thomas thinks of him, he just wants Thomas to acknowledge his way of creativity (even then, he's just doing his own thing).
intrusive thoughts aren't necessarily true, though; a lot of them aren't. with intrusive thoughts, you just need to see them, acknowledge them, and then move on with your day (because ignoring them makes them louder). ascribing too much significance to intrusive thoughts can be very destructive.
@@AwkwardDancer93 of course normal instructive thoughts have little to no meaning, but when they get more violent and frequent, it’s usually because you’re repressing something
Nobody:
Not even Roman:
Not even a drop of Water:
Remus:
*ALLLLLL BYYYYY MYSELLLLLLLFFFFF*
@Vaxerious I love that one too 😂😂😂😂😂
Can we just appreciate Thomas’ singing as Remus
ALSO SOOOOOOOOOOOOAPP
@@jakman8515 I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP
S O A P
Janus eating the apple after saying "Everything is just fine." - THE SYMBOLISM - foreshadowing that we are going to learn more about the orange side soon!!! AHHHH
Plus the snake in the tree? It calls back to the whole adam and eve thing and it's so cool to see
@@Ashokas_Wheelhouse That's what I meant by the symbolism, the apple/tree of knowledge and all that, it is VERY damn cool, I love that stuff in Sanders Sides
Also more biblical meaning because Janus is in a tree eating an apple and he's constantly referred to as a snake boy. Nice touch Thomas
@@surrealrosalynd that's right the fruit of knowledge which was forbidden in Eden! I didn't think of that til you mentioned it, nice
Thats what he said? Wow
I find it interesting that right before the “Stop ignoring me” part, we see Thomas get mad over, in his eyes, being ignored by Nico. You can see frustration and bitterness in that moment. He hadn’t shown anger towards the lack of a response earlier. He was upset/disappointed but Logan’s calmness attempted to keep him on track. only once Logan snapped and lashed out in anger did Thomas feel angry and rejected. Really cements in my mind that not only is the Orange Side Rage/Wrath, but that Logan is a bit more connected to him than just being his counterpart, like Janus/Patton and Roman/Remus. They both have unique relationships to their parallel, Roman and Remus being brothers, so it’s not too far fetched. I think it’s really cool to consider that rage only comes out when logic can’t function correctly, making him more rare to see and honestly a lot scarier than the others that can exist alongside their opposite. That means Logan is responsible for keeping him at bay, and if he is a part of him it makes sense that when that part of him is triggered he gets angry. To add on to that, I’m gonna point out that Logan, despite claiming to not have emotions, has the most anger out of everyone else throughout the series, maybe even beating Roman, who represents ego. Just some food for thought.
Edit- Hi- Just adding on to this because I have nothing better to do.
I don’t think the orange side will be solely rage or fury, I just think that’ll be a big part of him. No side is one thing, they’re complicated, and that has been explored quite a bit in the newer episodes (particularly with Janus so far). I can’t predict Orange’s exact name, I just usually call him rage because that’s what makes the most sense to me. I’m pretty confident the orange side will have something to do with lashing out in anger based on the hint in this video, because that hasn’t really been explored yet. But, adding on to my initial theory, it has been shown, just not focused on. Overlooked, even. Like when Logan threw the crumbled up paper in anger. Or when Logan yelled angrily at Janus in the courtroom. Those were both small instances, but they’re both notable in my head because of how sudden the reaction was (and them both being from Logan, of course). The reactions in those two examples were also in response to being insulted. That made me think the orange side might have to do with some kind of pride, but I don’t know, Roman is already ego and those are quite similar so probably not. Still a possibility. Another thing, after Logan threw the paper, he apologized and said he should probably leave, but was promptly forced to stay. To add on to the idea that he doesn’t like to be involved in discussions while he’s angry, though this may be a stretch, in the Selfishness vs. Selflessness video (pt 2), Thomas starts off very angry and furious over feeling ignored at the wedding. Logan is not here for this, but once Thomas calmed down and not focused on that does Logan choose to pop up and share his thoughts. While, yes, he did say he wasn’t an expert in this area and that was the apparent reasoning, he also made a comment on not wanting to waste energy (or something along those lines). I just found that weird but I could be wrong. Sorry if this was a bit too scrambled and all over the place, I just felt like sharing more thoughts because I’m kind of hyperfixated on all of this lol. Thanks for reading :)
Edit 2 : Sorry sorry last edit I swear- just kidding it probably won’t be knowing me lol-
Thanks so much for the input and comments on this, seeing other fans views is so cool and you’re all really nice, I appreciate it a lot! Have a great day and eat a second cookie because you earned it
Woah
You're right it is terrifying to think that we'll see a lot less of anger as a side even if it's not technically separate from logan. It's even more powerful than Janus who honestly scared me the most at first intro
@@morefrecklesthansense9817 I know right? Also same, he looks very intimidating. Cool but intimidating. Still, I know I’m gonna love the “Rage” side whether my theory is true or not (not an original theory but still the one I believe).
LOVE this analysis
@@bethanyward9043 Thank you! I honestly have a lot to say but I can’t sit down and type it all out at once lol- probably not a good use of time either ha- either way thanks, I appreciate it :)
Thomas: *being a typical horror movie protagonist*
Logan: DANCE!!
Logan: *hands Thomas a colouring book
Logan: let’s colour
Thomas: Logan I’m a grown man….I would love to colour
M o o d
@@theultimitelifeform8548 it do be like that though 😩
i will still be like that 😌 i love to draw and colour 👁👄👁
@@gh0stz_z1p who doesn’t it’s ✨fun✨
MY FAVORITE LINE!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Janus and Remus being the only people remotely aware of how much everyone is ignoring Logan is kind of sad. But it does make sense that they wouldn't point it out, as it will probably allow another Darkside to show up.
I hope at some point we do away with the concept of “Light and Dark” sides because even “wrath” if that is the orange side has a good purpose in people’s lives. Anger in healthy amounts allows one to stand up for themself or give motivation for something. Same if the orange is instead Pride, we need to be prideful of ourselves but too much pride can lead to huge egos and thus quick to rage.
I feel like they’re the ones who notice because they know what it feels like being ignored
@@ApexCalibre yeah, the series has continuously showed us that even the "light/good" sides of us can hurt us if allowed to take complete control and overshadow every other side. There's a need for balance and cooperation between all of the sides so that one can lead a healthy life. I think the dark sides are called that because we usually think of exhibiting that kind of behaviour as bad, whereas the Light sides are the ones whose existence we tend to encourage and think of as nothing but good. Lying, living in fear and letting intrusive thoughts take up your mind are seen as something bad and Ambition and Creativity, Empathy and Logic are seen as something great that can keep the former three in check, but the truth is Caution, and whatever Janus and Remus embody (wit and cynicism? nihilism? destructive creativity?) are just as necessary to keep the others from becoming too much.
@@angelic252 Janus can also be seen as governing outer presentation in society and self-preservation, so that's his positive purpose. Remus I'm less sure of, but maybe dark creativity? Or maybe self-awareness, given that he tends to bring darker thoughts to light.
I feel like the main colors of each side are gonna complete a rainbow, with the "dark" sides being the opposites to the "light" sides in the color wheel, because remus was the mirror version of roman, and also the complementary color for roman's red, which might indicate that Janus or deceit is somehow a mirror version of anxiety, going off their colors (maybe even virgil was the "dark" side of janus in the first place, but idk) meaning the new orange side that might be coming is a warped or mirror version of Patton and Logan (the color wheel would give both blues an orange hue as complementaries) with something about them being about a "bad" type of logic.
-edit: i think virgil and deceit being "opposites" makes sense, as maybe Thomas might view anxiety as some sort of "self-deceit" into thinking something is scary or... Well... Anxiety deserving, than it should be. (Also sorry for bad English, it isn't my first language)
It's so hard watching Logan getting ignored. AGAIN.
And ORANGE SIDE. ORANGE. SIDE. IS. HEREEEEEE.
Most people are rarely angry for no reason, there’s often (at the very least in their mind) a logical reason behind their rage
Logan never shows many emotions, or claims to not have them. However, on a many many occasions we have seen him portray one emotion, and that’s anger.
It makes sense that logic, could be the center for rage. It also makes sense that he would try to keep it locked away
meaning Logan could be both dark blue and orange as a side
mhh i see thomas took inspiration from a certain book about a logical man having a anger monster inside of him
Logan has most definitely shown emotion on a number if occasions. Happiness being one of them. Atleast in the earlier episodes.
Logan does not smile anymore.
Orange could stand for hopelessness, impatience, and pride. Funny thing to it can stand for deceit and creativity.
@@jakoblent4694 no he cannot. please look at the thumbnail for putting others first.
anyways responding to op, he also experiences fear. is he virgil?
and idk man, Logan isnt the only one getting angry in this episode. even while Logan is talking to Remus we see clips of c!Thomas getting angry at Nico for not responding. and interestingly enough, he gets angry at Nico when they both have knifes, despite this being a fake scenario he imagined. doesnt seem like an exactly logical reason to get worked up
Logan: do you remember cognitive distortions, Thomas
My brain: COGNISANT DISPORTIONS
Hagendaz Disportions
Getting close: cognitive distortions
Gettin further away.
Gognizant dispopoportiooon
almost
Logan deserves so much. He’s just a distant parent who doesn’t understand emotional but cares for his Thomas very much 🥺
He cares about all of them very much he cannot express it the way they can understand it.
Poor Logan, I feel sorry for him. When will he snap and just tell everyone off? Loved the new Sanders sides Thomas. Can't wait for the next one.
@@faesimone1873 I know. Poor Logan.
22:06 damn, Logan 😲
@@shadowwood549 he might need help from orange then
"I DONT CARE ABOUT THE KNIFE BUT THE SOAP!!!" -Remus 2021
XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD
That's going to be my year book quote
YES 😂😂😂😂
Can I just say, Thomas woke at 2:00pm, did other stuff for about 20mins, and coloured until 3:20pm.
He coloured for an hour, and I don’t know why, but that makes me so happy
It’s 2:30 when he has breakfast.
@@aniallater33 Yeah- I said *about* 20mins. It's just a relative estimate. But, thank you for the extra info anyway!
SAAAAAAAME
“You’re the least favorite side and you know it.”
“Logan, can you stop?”
“Not that any of you care, but I am unharmed.”
This has been happening for a while. Logan :(
I know he’s been so mistreated but I never though he would turn out to be the orange side wrath!!
Patton even took the chance to skip Logan’s text in Svs redux. Just passed him by like he wasn’t valid. I feel awful for Logan like really he’s so taken for granted
@@tyjaelittle36 I don't think he is the orange side i think he's being affected by the orange side
@@echomoon4693 I think Thomas mentioned in a stream that it wasn’t on purpose
;_;
I'm gonna cry, the expression on Logans face and the way he held his notepad to his chest just broke my heart.
same
Same. I just wanna give him a hug and sit down and listen to him because he just needs more love
Same, I want to hug him
i just wanna give him a big bear hug especially cause he’s my favorite
Exactly, it was so sad 💔
Are we not gonna talk about how much Remus messed with Virgil to get under Logan’s skin. He was making Thomas hella anxious the entire time.
I loved how we could still see Virgil at work even if we couldn’t see him physically. Such good attention to detail. And yeah Frl Remus was really just poking Virgil this whole video
It is like Remus knows he has no real effect on Logan himself, but his weakness is his love for Thomas and his friends.
I noticed that myself
I was like
Where the hell is Virgil
The entire time…I knew he was there but I wanted to see him
@@alpacamari1874 omg SAME!!!
When remus went into the corner with his lil dunce cap its literally the enbodiment of "Don't talk to me, i'm angy"
LOGAN NEEDS A RAISE, HE WAS HELPING THOMAS EVEN WITH HIS SCHEDULE AND THEN GETS LEFT AT THE END AND THEN ORANGE EYES AND THEN JANUS AND HOLY CRAP IM DYING
#GiveLoganARaise
Janus? when did he come in?
OMG THE ENDCARD
#GiveLoganARaise
@@lesbianfander2085 Is it just me but I can’t hear what Janus is saying- is that on purpose or are my headphones messing up?
the orange side has got to be wrath!!
Yessss wrath/rage, it just w o r k s
Random fact cause it’s 1am and why not-
there’s a part of the rage theory that the sides “names” can’t be said in the series until they’re revealed. E.G Deciet wasn’t said until Janus came
So this says that if the theory is right the new side would be rage because anger and wrath have already been said
@@file_corrupted_7836 Wrath or Anger
Or rage
I love how majority of people just accept the orange side theory and are genuinely happy to add to it or see if it becomes canon.
Not any Sander Side in the world:
Remus: -screaming in pain- "Oh~" -followed by more painful screaming-
IKR
It kind of only just sank in that Logan and Remus fighting is literally Thomas's Logic trying to fend off his intrusive thoughts in a visual representation of the battle leaving him a wreck throughout the episode. In the end, Remus wins not bc his distractions worked but bc the random intrusive thoughts were a symptom of Thomas being unable to stop thinking about this issue with Nico, THAT was what was actually intruding on his ability to focus on the tasks, including the little fun tasks Logan sets to try and soothe the random episodes - the alarms (literal reminders of the pressuring schedule Logan set) go off and interrupt the nice and fun task (which he's supposed to do until the intrusive thoughts are soothed I.e. representing him paying attention to his mental health) which both breaks his calm focus on the colouring/puzzle/dancing and draws his attention back to his phone and the still unanswered message to Nico. It's all connected, one thing leading to the next and in the process Logan was distracted by the random intrusive thoughts, missing that it wasn't actually something like a screw in the oatmeal or a house intruder that he's focusing too much on, it's a totally separate issue that the alarms he told Thomas to set are constantly reminding him of! And judging by Remus saying (well, singing) "can't fix him all by yourself" he's aware of the true root of the issue and knows Logan isn't...was this his reason for being such a pain? Logan tried to say that he acknoedges that there must be some use for Remus existence at some point but right now Logan is doing something more relevant and important, but that common sense doesn't change the fact that last night was when Thomas sent that text so it's today he's freaking out over it - no amount of calming yourself down from random intrusive thoughts will change that Thomas has something to be concerned about (From his perspective). Logan is trying so hard but just isn't able to pick up on what's ACTUALLY going through Thomas head, or why he jumps at the chance to reassure himself that Nico wants to spend time with him, I think THATS what Remus can bring to the table - understanding the less reasonable parts of how Thomas's mind works!
HEY YEAH
I love it!
Logan's eyes.... Uh, THAT opens a whole new WORLD of possibilities
Rage mode
did u notice they were orange? one of the colors that hasn't been a part of them, red for roman orange for no one yellow for deceit light blue for patton dark blue for logan purple for virgil what's missing is pink and orange, my theory for a long time has been that virgil has split just like roman into anxiety and paranoia I'm thinking maybe logan is splitting too?
@@scocopat457 that actually makes sense because one of the things orange represents is ambition (I think). Since Logan is so set in getting this done at certain times, I wouldn't be too surprised if he were to get out of hand and split up.
It’s the dark side of rage or wraith, showing its presence in the one side that’s been building up to a break, I’m so glad they’re introducing the new in the next sanders sides!
Frick y'all are right- this is so EXCITING
We all talking about Logan and the wine, but let’s not skip over Remus and his “dunce” hat then proceeding to belt “All by myself” (OR THE LOGAN ORANGE EYES EITHER-)
i saw an animatic where logan turned into a dark side, becoming the orange side. and i feel like that theory is gaining more weight and might be cannon. idk
I loved that part XD
and when he was calling logan to come over and hit him with the wood paddle
WE ARE NOT GONNA IGNORE THE FACT THAT LOGAN REPLACED HIS COFFEE WITH WINE NO SIR/MA'AM/MIX
Also with the orange eyes at the very end. I think this new relationship Thomas is having will result in a cheater since Janus was there. Aka meaning deceit in a relationship
9:29 Logan giving the tiniest smile while trying not to laugh at Remus is EVERYTHING to me!!!! I love the subtlety of it!
Everyone: *theories about orange side*
Me: Did anyone notice that Remus getting stabbed turned him on for like a second?
Hey- we don’t kinkshame in this household 😂
It-
It did-?
Edit: oh my god it did-
We now know that Remus has a knife kink and it disturbs me
@@thatastastan Anything about Remus is disturbing honestly
@@thatastastan he always had a knife kink bb
I really like that when Logan is trying to reason with Remus, he explicitly mentions that Remus's role has value and will come in handy eventually, because it's the same lesson the sides had to learn when it came to Virgil.
I think that’s exactly what Remus wanted him to say, because Logan wants to feel wanted and Remus is trying to get Logan to express those feelings
What exactly that role is remains to be seen.
Finally someone mentions this!!! I am so confused??? How can intrusive thoughts--Remus's function--be GOOD??????? Or he can be useful somehow?!??!
@@princessthyemis the intrusive thoughts are letting you know that you aren’t addressing something. If you’re ignoring something important, intrusive thoughts come to slap you and point you in the right direction
The thoughts are also blunt and unfiltered, forcing you to look at unpleasant truths
we all thought Janus was the wine aunt, but today we learned Logan is.
Porque no Los dos???
Their both the wine aunt, if all the sides had a dinner logan and janus would be talking to each other because I feel they are very similar, patton would be with roman, virgil would be in a corner or at a table listening to MCR and panic!at the disco, and remus would just be that one annoying child that bothers everyone but logan and janus are too focused on their conversation to care simple.
Janus likes to think he's the wine aunt
They're both wine aunts.
Both? Both is good
I've always loved that the Dark Sides have positive aspects to them, and the implication in this video that the "good" sides could have darker aspects absolutely thrills me. Any trait in an extreme can be hazardous.
Well, the thing about the sides is they only are a part of Thomas personality wich means they are all extremist in there particular domain. And no matter what, being an extremist is never good.
It's so hard to see how Remus has a positive trait though. Like he should have one but like.... WHAT IS IT? It's driving me insane.
@@grayish2538
Well, to me atleast, he almost seems to represent truth in a way.
Like he said in his introduction episode "I would never lie to you Thomas". Which seems to have rained true and makes sense. Remus encompasses intrusive thoughts primarily, now, I need to make sure I word this correctly because its very confusing and took me a minute to wrap my head around. He's definitely the most complicated side imo, lol.
Ok so, intrusive thoughts are.. how do I put this? Not exactly "telling" of a person, they arent something you inherently plan to do or even want to do. But you still thinks those thoughts which CAN mean something. Now, it has been brought up in episodes before that thoughts don't have to have any meaning whatsoever. Im inclined to believe that about say, the bear trap, or the knife flying through the air. However, for the three primary intrusive thoughts of the video 1 thing is consistent and that is what they are alluding to.
That being Thomas's fear of being alone.
Take the oat meal scene for starters, Remus gives Thomas the thought of "What if there's something in my food and I choke and die" Thomas proceeds to express to Logan that if that happened there'd be no one there to help him. He'd be doomed do to his being alone and would die alone in the process.
The closet? While that's probably the most subtle of the examples here, it still contributes to the overall point. Generally when you live with someone the fear of someone hiding in your home to kill you is diminished, and/or if that were to happen you arent alone, you'd have someone there to help you, protect you, watch you back. Also if someone were to break in to kill you and your there alone then dieing alone is simply a thought that will resurface.
Lastly there's the Nico scene/the knife scene, a fear that Nico doesn't actually like him and will leave him. Aswell as a perpetuation of the idea that if Thomas doesn't end it first then Nico will and that will hurt more. To put it into words most everyone has heard re-iterated time and time again in some story, or series, or media, Kill or be Killed or more accurately Hurt, or get Hurt. Resulting in ending up right back where we started sad, afraid, and alone.
Remus's role is messy, its scary, its uncomfortable but it IS important. He helps Thomas to realize some unsavory truths. In his own, very, very roundabout way. Remus and Janus are almost a weird antithesis to each other. Janus lies to Thomas, i.e Thomas lying to himself about how truthful he is, but he also gets Thomas to lie to others to protect him. Janus or your decit could represent when your mental health is in the gutter and a friend asks if your ok, your uncomfortable and afraid to talk about it, so your decit has you say "Im fine" to protect you, it doesn't want you to be distressed or to break down so it puts a sheild of false stableness up to keep you safe. While Remus can represent those horrible thoughts that you have when your mental health isn't doing well, the thoughts that you explain to you therapist that they proceed to decifer and use to unveil the truth of you issues, and once you have realized those, potentially ugly and uncomfortable truths, you can then work them out. Id go as far as to say Remus is one of if not the most important or prominent side when contributing to working out mental health. He shows you whats wrong so you can fix it. Remus is step number one to being in a good place mentally.
The entire fandom is on a ROLL. We get one drop of Content and we're immediately like "ANGST???"
Fanders are to angst as sharks to blood in the water. We can smell it from miles away
Indeed we can
@@echomoon4693 facts
Seagulls from Finding Nemo! "angst? Angst? Angst! :D"
@@echomoon4693 actually sharks can’t smell blood miles away, because the particles of blood would need to enter their noses for them to smell them, but I know whatcha meant
This whole episode is basically Remus failing trickshots lmao
Sides imperfect
@@jamdatail6773 imperfect side
I feel like this episode shows how smart Remus can actually be, considering all of his domino puzzles DID work, just backfired-
Fr he’s kind of a genius
It scares me to think that he’s actually smart in some way cause of his personality, he definitely doesn’t seem like he’d be smart
and then in his second serious appearance he figured out _exactly_ which of Logan's buttons to push, whereas in his first episode he had everyone _but_ Logan pinned down?
@@tatltails3923 Y O U R R I G H T . . .
@@thatastastan i feel like we should of been scared of him before.. BUT NOW WE SHOULD BE ABSOLOUTLY HORRORFIED..-
The fact we get to see Logan respond with “coffee.” Despite the fact we know he barely took a few sips of it before replacing it with wine made my day.
@ me realizing that Logan is showing Thomas the *other sides* coping mechanisms…
Roman colors, Patton does puzzles, and Virgil listens to music.
I... didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out
Funny thing is...
I just noticed that the first color Thomas took is a RED one!
The puzzle thing could actually be a call back to the Q&A video though because Logan's answer to a question like "how do you like to relax after a hard day?" is puzzling. But liking puzzles fits both Logan and Patton's personalities. So you could be correct.
OMG
Yeah, and the color he chose was red, the puzzle he did was Disney, and the color that appeared with the music was purple!!
The way that Logan holds out the "w" sound in "who is updog" and looks directly at Remus as he said it makes me think that he definitely knew what he was doing.
Oh, this man has vocab cards, he definitely knew what he was doing alright.
@@whilenya4714 this man is a brat tamer to remus' bratting
Hes seen the office bloopers as many times as thomas.
That joke is the only one I don't understand 🤔
@Kristina Crow Oh, so close. 🥲
Remus made a huge mistake showing Logan the list because he was
just giving away what he was gonna do. That is how Logan was able
to stop the things happening.
didn't notice
That is true but with Remus' unpredictability it could have all been a trick even doe he isn't much of a liar so he could have if he would have done it more elegantly caught Logan in a paradox of did he say the truth or not but luckily Logan is too smart for that
Oml I didn’t even realize that. Such a wonderful detail!!!
I thought the list was supposed to be Thomas' to-do list made by Remus? Cause he said Thomas was "double booked," meaning Re already had a schedule for Thomas. Why would Thomas' schedule be to make those traps?
@@yufaelia It was just a theory and I was saying it could like say something like (Thomas gets stabbed) Just a theory
I love think about how Thomas just sits reading long complicated comments about theory’s and such just laughing because he actually knows who is correct and who is wrong.
same
Therapist: old man thomas isn’t real, he can’t hurt you…..
old man thomas:
this will age well in 60+ years. take and save a screenshot.
Uh oh, I smell some Logan character development with that “stop ignoring me” clip. I’m absolutely here for this.
what I smell is Orange Side reveal o.o
Just imagine all the theories. It'll be great.
What i smell is now that Virgil is now a good side…… a good side (Logan) has to turn to the Dark sides.. ????
@@tonialexis125 Possibly.
@@acetraineraster5171 also did we get a possible orange side name reveal? During the end card, Logan mentioned Apollo. It could have just been the Greek god of the sun, but Logan wouldn't be one to call upon aso called "god," especially when it's not one that Thomas would believe in. Idk, I just chose to spitball here, get my idea out.
Someone on Tumblr pointed out that if you look at Thomas’s phone, the date says *April 20.* That means chronologically, this happened only _a week_ after "Putting Others First". No wonder tensions seem so high between the Sides, especially in the end card. Everything that happened is still very fresh in their minds.
Not to mention it’s 420
@@not-so-happypappypatton the only thing that matters
That's so clever, holy heck they put a lot of detail into these episodes-
How come Virgil seemed touchy with Patton, tho? Virgil had no participation in that episode. Maybe he was told about it later, and he’s taking a side?
Ngl, if he is, and it’s seemingly against Patton, then it would have to be Roman’s side, which could also explain why they seemed to be getting along in Flirt or Flight.
Which would be adorable, cause like, PRINXIETYYYYYY
@@winterling223 I think it's more because he's still sort of mad about Patton treating him like he's younger than the rest, but I also can't imagine he wasn't aware of what happened in POF since everyone else (meaning Remus) seems to be?
The way Logan sinks down after looking all lonely in the end GENUINELY makes me so sad
“I don’t care about the knife- BUT THE SOAP” 😂
edit: thank you for all of the likes 😳
I relate🤧
That one gets me every time I skip back just to watch it
@Nathan Stuart ???
The soap!!!!!
@@victoryismine2121 ignore him. Just a random troll
Okay theory.
Remus wasn’t trying to get to Thomas. He was trying to get to Logan, through Thomas. He forced Logan to confront him, and pushed until those eyes came out
As an addition, Remus is right. Logan wants to scream at Thomas. He’s so used to being ignored as Thomas either sides with Patton and Roman for fun, or Virgil to deal with his feelings. Logan is ignored.
And we see Logan in that moment parallel Thomas. He reverted to normal as soon as Thomas realised he wasn’t being ignored. Even more so when that ignoring had a logical explanation. It might be that he’s far more connected to Thomas’ emotions than the others.
Is that Remus’s purpose, do you think? To bring to light the things you try to ignore/repress?
I didn't think of it that way... yea maybe Remus wasn't trying to get to thomas but instead he was trying to get the dark side version of Logan to come out
YES!
He's all about repressed thoughts. So it makes sense the personas have their own repressed thoughts
Oh my god that makes total sense
The orange side is most likely to be Wrath as everyone is theorizing. But Id just like to take a moment to appreciate how far this series has come as it literally started with him taking to himself in a room and now its a whole ass miniseries with cinematography!
I just kept chanting to myself in my head, "PRIMAL RAGE. PRIMAL RAGE.PRIMAL RAGE!" when i first saw logan snapped.
I feel like the opposite of logic is insanity thou :/
@@moniquet6017 why not both? both make sense. :D
Im kinda thinking its like... intuition or something.
Or impulsiveness
Since when ur impulsive, you can't think logically
Right after Remus said "And who do you really want to scream that at?" I got an ad for "Mr. Clean magic erasers!" I guess Remus's hatred for soap transcends even into the ads...
Lmao
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Haha!
I'm loving the custom book cover, "Ignoring Dummies for Dummies, Are nerds in blue ties bothering you?" 😂
IKR like, I need a copy of that 😭
The attention to detail is amazing
Reminds me of in the game A Hat In Time, when Snatcher is sitting in his house, he’s reading the book “how to kill kids” and chapter 1 just has a picture of a knife and chapter 2 is a picture of poison
The fact that Logan dumped his coffee for wine after he saw Remus’ list made me laugh so hard !!!
Logan’s speech about not being flashy and not being able to get through to someone was very well written. Logic gets often ignored in favor of more impulsive anxieties and fits of human passion. But we all need a little logic to keep us balanced
Otherwise, worse case senario, you become Chris-Chan...
logan: remember cognitive distortion?
me, nodding solemnly: hagendas dispersion
I literally screamed when Logan's eyes went Orange.
There's an animatic over the song "Erased Me" and it totally predicted this. If anyone sees this comment, I highly recommend it.
Fine, I'll go down that rabbit hole again
@@WolfLykaios Enjoy your wonderous doom
Ooooh I've seen it too you're right!!!
I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT TOO
YASSSS omg i love that animatic, it's this one ruclips.net/video/NowjLMEJnWc/видео.html if anyone's curious
"Are nerds in blue ties bothering you?" no. logan is a gift.
Logan could *never* bother us.
he is, we need more Logan, thanks to him i can write outstanding essays lmao
My heart broke when Logan was just standing in the apartment all by himself when he tried so hard and was meeting everyone halfway like even talking to Remus to find a middle ground...Im so sad, i just want to hug Logan so bad...I also feel this so much right now, i have so many chores to do and im gonna go and work through as much as i can! For Logan!
I literally sobbed because Logan looked depressed AF-
this is exacty how i feel ajsdjkhd i really wanna hug Logan TT
FOR LOGAN!!!!
He has come so far, and is able to acknowledge when Thomas isn't in the right headspace to think logically so instead of trying to force him to think logically he gives him something to relax and get back to that positive headspace to then do what they need to. But then the other sides and even Thomas sometimes will ignore him, tease him, and just argue against him. Poor boy : (
me tooooo im so sad 🥺 i hope we have a thorough plot with him like we've had the other sides
I love how Remus could have so easily just done half of the things to freak Thomas out himself, but instead, he relies on the most convoluted 'Home alone' stunts
I think those weird things were a metaphor for the 'subconcious' 'thought process' behind intrusive thoughts that no-one is aware of that end up leading to the intrusive thought.
Wait... is Remus craftier than we give him credit for?
He was making it out like he was trying to bring down Thomas the whole day, but in the end, it was Logan that had the breakdown...
Don't forget. Remus is Creativity as well.
@@theantagonist2589 To be fair they are both Thomas, Remus was actively bringing down Thomas by bringing down Logan, it's just that Logan didn't see it coming, which is a bit ironic considering tactical battle strategies should really be in his wheel house
oops definitely meant to reply to OP but hi The Antagonist
@@mossman15 That would probably be his forte in a proper battle, but Logan seems to be more focused on "cooperation for maximum efficiency". To his thinking, he's not in a battle, he wants to work *with* Remus and the others, and his priority isn't "winning" but it's giving Thomas the best life he can within his own capabilities.
I think it's more interesting that Logan acknowledged that whatever Remus was trying to do could help Thomas, just that he disagreed with it and wanted to help him differently today.
“Everything is just fine” then queue the orange eyes + stop ignoring me from Logan? Yh, the orange side is anger. With Thomas’ religious upbringing, social anxiety, eagerness to be a “good person” and the amount of time Logan is ignored& his subsequent anger, no wonder Wrath has been suppressed for so long and Logan has been able to have so much power over the dark sides.
Oh,he had that power FROM THE START!☺🧡
I'm not sure he has that much more power over them. He might just look through their bs easier than the other sides because he is, well thinking logically
You makes such a good point about Thomas repressing his anger! I've always been the person that was like 'oh yeah i never get angry, you've never seen me truly mad' and when I told this to my therapist she just sighed and said 'you must be so angry at yourself because you don't know where to direct your anger otherwise'. And she was so right! And when you look at Thomas it could very well be the same case, just looking at his insecurities for instance!
logic is usually over rulled by the religious actions of those who speak god and outrule the truth
Yes this makes sense 👆🏼 I am hoping we can meet the orange side soon!!!
Half expected the closet door to open and Thomas go: “AH. DECEIT.”
I feel like after Janus' last video there's no real reason for him to pull the strings from the shadows anymore
@@monikakavaliunaite8017 no now thats the orange sides job, just like reem is blurring with Virgil's old job.
@@DarkRelm22 Not sure what you mean with: blurring with Virgil's old job, do you mind explaining?
14:10 Remus' random good "ooo" between being stabbed is just gold
remus: *almost makes thomas choke on a screw*
virgil: NOT TODAY
So true 😂
OMG that actually sound like virgil actually does that
@@splatalothiggins741 yea i strongly agree
nOt ToDaY sAtAn
Noticed that I literally just said aloud. VIRGIL! THANK YOU.
adding in the fact that Thomas was constantly feeling alone ( If I die, no one would be able to save me if I choked ) paralleled Logan’s feeling throughout the series ( but not in the ‘ I want a romantic relationship’ way but in a I don’t want to be ignored kind of way) Thomas felt alone during most of the episode and Logan did his best to help, and it starts working ( their relationship; Thomas actually cleaning and stuff) until Thomas leaves and ignores his wishes once more, I know this seems kind of obvious but I love how they portrayed it.
Can we appreciate how everything that Remus does is a perfect representation on how intrusive thoughts snowball when you leave them unattended and how one intrusive thought creates a domino effect of intrusive thoughts.
I didn't even notice that!! Thank you kind stranger for assisting me in appreciating this artistic masterpiece to it's full glory!!
Yes exactly!!
He acts these characters so well and has developed them to such a T that I sometimes forget he's acting them all himself. I know it sounds dumb but I see them and think "Thomas is talking to Logan" not "Thomas is 'talking' to himself playing the character Logan".
TL;DR: Great acting, amazing characters, love the audio work and the cinematography!
Edit: I love how elabourite Remus' schemes are, really ties in how a tangent of thoughts can spiral into intrusive ones (speaking from experiance at least, idk about others)
I just realized, when Remus was messing with Thomas it was like he was also messing with Roman, Virgil, and Patton. Remus first reminded that Thomas had no one with him, which messes with Roman. Then he made Thomas paranoid about someone breaking in, which messes with Virgil. Then last was him trying to make Thomas stab Nico testing Thomas's morality, AKA messing with Patton.
Actually I really like this… well said.
ohh wow i didn't notice that
Bro that's so cool
Oh! Nice thinking
So like when logan played the music is like he protected patton (sorry if its a confusing comment)
The orange side is coming, it might be when Logan snaps, when the others ignore him, again. In the past, he was able to control his anger at times, but it seems like he's breaking.
Agreed. Logan is being ignored more & more, and it is wearing on him. Soon he will not show up when the sides need him and instead the orange side will appear. That's my guess.
Definitely. Like it’s a slow progression in the series but little by little he’s getting more ignored and pushed aside and the others are taking his input and ignoring it in favor of their own. Look at svs redux, while we were all floundering over Pattons transformation and Romans angst, no one payed attention to Logan. He was insulted. His text was skipped by Patton as soon as the option arrived. He was kidnapped and no one realized. Over and over again he’s disregarded and we can see it starting to get to him. I think if he snaps we are gonna see the birth of a new side
@@izumi4914 I agree
yeah I 100% agree. I feel like he's now at his breaking point, and the orange side will be introduced very very soon
Orange=Rage
The amount of Logan angst that's about to be produced is unbelievable
just wait for the fan art.. 🗣
Oh shirt
I can't wait!
yEss and were here for it
Yesssssss
When Logan said ‘Stop ignoring me’ then Nico called what went through my mind was “damn he manifested”
“I don’t care about the knife but the soap”-Remus 2021 XD
I played that part for my brother and he was in stitches. He's never really been into the Sanders Sides and is like whatever but he said he'd watch the whole video because of that one line.
Why would that be me though if I was stabbed in the eye?
“ah look the closet is BEGGING you to be organised. you see it’s a humorous remark because closets aren’t sentient.”
yeah logan. it was funny don’t worry. /srs
Yeah we’re not gonna forget how cool you are don’t worry😎
I loved that 🤣
No wonder Logan gets mad, the development of a life management system in order to form a more productive, punctual Thomas is his passion project, after all.
Yeah and with people like Remus around that gets disturbed and therefore his purpose is put aside once again.
I mean to be fair in this episode he has pretty unrealistic expectations for Thomas, expecting him to get done everything he has postpone for days in one single day never was a realistic goal.
@@mandygf1215 yeah that is true, Thomas had put off so much that to get that all done in one day, he's only human.
Intrusive thoughts can magnify underlying problems in your daily life and Remus has now twice brought attention to the source of problems. First being Remus' introduction brought more adult humor and content in the series, now Remus is pointing out that having Nico in Thomas' life is distracting him from taking time to better himself as well as basic self care.
Which is why I think Patton doesn't like Nico. I can't remember which video but when they brought up Nico, Patton got really uncomfortable. Nico is giving Thomas more things to worry about, which means he's giving Remus more fuel.
*SPOILERS*
Okay I know that everyone (including myself) is freaking out about the orange side and all that but I just want to know what was in Remus’s schedule that made Logan dump out his coffee and replace it with wine
Probably all those Home Alone schemes. The knife from the kitchen, the intruder-occupied closet, and the bed leading to Nico. Logan seems pretty aware of them and prepared countermeasures. I bet there was another page involving grinding Logan's gear to tick the Orange Side's tock.
HOW DID I FORGET THAT?!?
Remus schedule-
Call up dog
Wash up dog
take out the up dog
walk updog
Organize updog
Dry clean updog
Dinner with updog (can’t cancel that again)
Same XD
When did his eyes turn orange?
Theory: Logan’s dark side is stress, but it’s not a second person that replaces him (like Remus or Janus), but a power that temporarily corrupts him, seeing that he’s normally put together and stress can make you lose control of logic.
Edit: This is the most likes and comments I’ve ever gotten, thank you so much!
Omg that would be epic :O
Dude that would make so much sense. When I’m stressed I through myself into work cause it never seems to be enough. I can see alternate logan/stress making Thomas over work himself, something that originally seems logical until it gets out of hand
Has stress been said in the series before?
@@musickitty93 I think it has been used as like a theme or something, hmm
i think the orange side is probably still a separate side. after all we've heard roman say some very remus things before remus showed up. i thought about this a lot a few months ago and i think i know why:
so before each dark side shows up, they still exist, right? they're still contributing to thomas, even if they can't show up physically. they still have thoughts and reactions, but they have no actual body to convey them with. so instead of being there in-person, the dark sides "speak" using their opposite side. (at least until they appear in-person and are revealed to thomas.)
remus's opposite is roman, obviously. and we do see remus "speak through" roman before showing up for the first time. (been a while since i watched the series, but i believe one of these was at the end of the christmas carol episode, and i think there was another instance of this too.) however this completely stops after DWIT, because remus has an actual body now, and he doesn't need to speak through roman anymore.
as for janus, his opposite is patton. and janus is a little bit different - he can disguise as the others, so he has no need to speak directly through patton. he doesn't need to be revealed in order to show up. he just directly appears as patton and contributes to the discussion that way, which we see in CLBG.
and finally we arrive at the orange side. i believe the orange side's opposite is logan, and in this video we see him speak through logan. but, though this is the most obvious time, it's not the first time this has happened! for example, in LNTAO, the point where logan throws the paper at roman. it's filmed awfully dramatically for just a throwaway shot, right? that's because it's not a throwaway shot, it's an appearance of orange. there are other times logan lashes out as well that might be orange (though they could just as easily be logan himself getting mad, there's a gray area here).
and if you think about it, logan's opposite being orange makes sense. the orange side is clearly wrath. what is more opposed to logic than anger, a purely impulsive, irrational, and thoughtless response?
Are we not gonna mention Logan saying “just gonna shift this degree a couple degrees”
Pun!
@@sp4c1ng_0ut8 ...It wasn't intentional, and please don't tell Patton.
@@logansanders9307 :3c
I will
@@logansanders9307 Patton has taught you well.
Logan. I'm telling.
Y’know Remus has a main role when there’s several content warnings 😂
Logan: who’s updog
Remus: that’s not the line
That line was amazing-
Just love how Remus also had this planned out here was excited about it and then was just like: :0 that wasn't the line- my beautiful mischievous plan!
So close yet so far
No, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game.