@@marktaylor3152 Actually, it's called a cervical* collar, and its role is to REMIND its wearer to keep their head in a neutral and inline position and to help with stabilizing their head in that position. It has nothing to do with extrication* from a car. C-collars are put on anyone who is suspected of a neck injury at all. Some people, like the speaker, wear them long term from prior neck injuries. Why be a know-it-all if you're still going to get it wrong?
@@sneed2600Or, ya know, they could be releasing clips to build hype and release the full lecture at peak interest for the YT revenue. But sure, you're probably right.
@interpl6089 Wym? It's freaking amazing for it's tier(MLD). With wings fully swept forward it destroys everything in a dogfight in it's BR if you know what you're doing, even F16s. Radar works fine for the missiles you have and it's acceleration/top speed well, the clip speaks for itself.
@@areyou0k98 Nope, the ML and MLA/MLD variants were decently good dogfighters. They went into drastic changes moving the internal fuel tanks to a position that helped the center of mass/lift, added slats and more. The previous variants like M and below are like the guy in the clip says, and it's the same in WT. You can win dogfights with M variant in WT but it's gonna take like 5 whole circles to do so, and that's because since it can't pull lot of Gs it's doesn't really bleed a lot of speed. So while you're comfortably staying at 700kmh , the enemy has become a stationary target hanging in the sky having bleed all of their speed. And that applies with the MLD even better. So it's not like the MiG23 is overperforming in WT, but rather the way the instructor works in the game.
@@KingMen1Force As someone who exclusively plays sim A competent MiG-23 pilot is pain to face off with in the F-5E If they have no clue it's a complete Turkey shoot
If I had to guess (and I do, because the information wasn't provided), the M2.3 limit is due both to shock wave propagation and intake geometry. Yeah, you can exceed the limit but the wrong random move can rip a shock front over a control surface that isn't designed for the stress, or cause a shock front derived compressor stall, or both. Likely smooth as butter at M2.4+ until you hit that one little crosswind wrong and your port wing goes brrrRRRRRBANG and it's gone halfway down the span...
The airframe couldn't handle it. The engine, was apparently very capable. According to the video. Probably shouldn't throw around engineering terminology the brotherhood of steel might get mad 😂
Airframe is only so strong. The SR-71 had the same type of speed limit - a bit of turbulence or too much control authority once you passed the max speed could shred the plane as it departed a clean AOA
@@slowhornet4802 I came to the conclusion long ago that the Mig-23 is actually a F-104 with rough field/ short-field capability. Against the high maneuverability generation its in trouble and the situational awareness is also poor (F-16 onward) because the radar dot is only as wide as the HUD haha. No situational display, no head down radar scope. You can't present a situational display from the other sources via data links (all aspect). Everything goes to the HUD.
That's how the SR-71 worked too. Nobody ever truly found its "upper limit" because that would probably mean someone disintegrated the thing around them going somewhere north of Mach 3.5.
@@OneBiasedOpinion Probably quite a bit north. The thing was recorded climbing at somewhat below average temperatures at M3.56. I would not be shocked if the blackbird didn't cook its engines or explode until something damn close to Mach 4.
@@petersmythe6462 At mach 3.65, the SR-71's shock cone off the nose spike would hit the front chines, tail surfaces, engine inlets, and wings pretty much simultaneously. I don't think that would end well.
Robotech or super fortress Macross was so dope as a kid, I think robotech was jus the us version and was macross spliced with some other anime but it was still cool as a kid I can find almost no one who hae ever Heard of it though.
Years ago I worked for an outfit that operated an F-104D. IIRC, it was limited to 2.2 Mach, because above that you'd get crazing of the canopy from aerodynamic heating. Not an airplane you like to land blind, not to mention a great dearth of spare Starfighter canopies. Just finding tires for it was bad enough, since the mains were only good for about 12 cycles.
Soviet aircraft design-“Yes, comrade, it’s a nice plane, but it needs bigger engines!” “But comrade, it already has the biggest engines Tumanski makes.” “Tell them we want bigger, Vlad; bigger!”
My first flight was also my Grandfathers first flight. The Pilot and his extended family are close family friends. He routinely performs fixed-wing aerial topdressing work on extreme terrain. When visiting on leave, I found him wearing a neck brace and working as a Salesperson for one of my Father's businesses. He was typically tight-lipped. Eventually, I plucked up enough courage to ask him for the details of his aircraft crash. I was transfixed as he told me the epic details and of his daring do. I spent the remainder of the day raving over his exploits with the townsfolk. We were discussing his crash at the bar late that evening when my Father told me, "He was driving home one night, needed a comfort stop, stepped out of his truck, fell down a ravine into a tree canopy, and broke his neck."
No, because its a lecture given on the museus on a regular basis, if you want to watch it go there and support their hard work keeping their terrific collection of planes in the best shape possible.
Should take a page out of the British Tank Museum's book and make educational videos like they do. Just releasing shorts like this without even a paid version of the full video existing is slightly irritating.
Safety of the airframe would be my guess. F111 could go well above its Mach 2.5 stated speed but the paint would peel off and put more heat/stress than the airframe was designed for
The usual culprits are aerodynamic heating of the structure and the air at the engine compressor face, and stability and control. If you get yourself sideways at Mach Lots, they the ride will be violent and brief as the airplane disintegrates around you.
The lecturer was actually the original test pilot before they set the speed limit. He tried to turn at the full performance speed limit and now he has to wear a neck brace for the rest of his life
The Mig-29 was the sexy Soviet plane when I was a kid, but I got talking to a couple former pilots, and reading about the US evaluations, and I decided that my favourite was the Mig-23.
The U.S. evaluations that showed that the Mig-23 was terrible except for speed and that almost every plane in the sky absolutely owned it in any sort of combat scenario? Most U.S. pilots that flew it seem to regard it as a pretty awful aircraft besides the acceleration.
@@User-gs1dk thats fine if yur goal is less to dogfight someting and more to intercept enemy aircraft along the many many miles of soviet boarders very quickly. Saying the mig 23 is a bad dogfighter is like saying the f22 is a bad carrier aircraft.
Our domestic air force used Mig21 jets from its early years. Those Mig21s were old planes when the first Mig23s came in. And the 23 was such a crap that it was retired more than a decade earlier than the Mig21s.
He is describing the MiG-23MF/MS. Russian pilots were rather unimpressed with that aircraft, finding it to be only good for BVR and interception duties. Later on ML model was made with improved aerodynamics (better vortex generation), reduced weight and the "maneuvering" wing position was 35 degrees instead of 45 and Tumansky R35 engine with 12500kgf of thrust. All that had made MiG-23 accelerate much better, and maneuver A LOT better with wing having its loading reduced and vortexes helping improve lift. It could out-accelerate F-16A in full burner and wings full-aft.
I fly this in Metalstorm... absolutely terrible in a rate fight... but boy you sweep those wings back and boost towards the ground you get fast real quick.
So... was it a good plane or not? I've checked some numbers and I'm under the impression that it was broadly similar to F4 Phantom, ran into the same problems the early F4s did, although it came out a few years after that and therefore matured after F4s did. Some American guy who supposedly flew Mig21s told me Mig 23's were a failure though.
It wasn't, it was an interceptor and very specialized, the phantom came before it, had more payload and better ground ordinance, and better avionics to boot. There is a reason the mig 23 has little historical relevance besides being remembered as the plane which prooved dogfighting was dead when it got bullied by iranian tomcats from over the horizon phonixes
I sat on a MIG-23 in the Kiyv Military Museum, located next to the _Rodina Mate_ monument. You can do it for an extra fee. The aircraft is fearsome, you feel like you were seated on a spearhead. I'd never dare to solo in one, let alone fighting with it. 💪She looks like a massive brute when compared with the tiny sleek MIG-21 nearby. 😨
airspeed limits are constant. 725 knots can be achieved at both sea level and also at 12000 meters. mach 2.3 would only be achieved at high altitudes (such as 12k meters) because air is thinner up there.
"After decades, I got the chance to fly it again a month before this interview. I may have briefly forgotten the shear acceleration of this aircraft. This may or may not have led to me breaking my neck in flight. Resulting in an emergency landing and this neckbrace." Just kidding :P
Fun fact: The Mig-23 never had an official documented *maximum* speed limit. The reason was that the engine was so ungodly powerful that Soviet engineers and designers feared that if they pushed the engine, and therefore the entire plane, to it's absolute limit, the plane would just disintegrate around the engine.
How could Mach 2.3 be its limit if 725 knots is the airspeed limit? I though Mach 2 was like 1300 knots. Is there something I’m missing? I’m genuinely curious
At 1km altitude the MiG-23ML would sustain 5.5G at 400 knots - at a weight of 12,700kg and with 2x R-23 missiles under the wings. It was not nearly as bad as old timer here says. The instant turn rate (which it could sustain for quite a while, actually) was much better than this, closer to 8G. It's not F-16, but it certainly wasn't a slouch and it didn't hold your hand.
Lt General Bobby Bond found this out the hard way....... He was visiting the read eagle squadron and wanted to take the Mig 23 for a spin, so they gave him the quick rundown of what all the cockpit controls did. When you're going over a certain speed, the thurst lever is locked in afterburner beause it's mechanically linked with the inlet ramps and if the inlet ramps were allowed to open at high mach speeds, it would immediately destroy the engine from the supersonic airflow in the inlet so the system is designed to lock the ramps in the closed position and the power in afterburner to prevent this. To slow it down, you have to take it vertical and/or put some g's on it and then pull it out of afterburner. Well, Lt gen Bond either wasn't instructed, forgot, or panicked and forgot this important element of operating this aircraft and greatly oversped his new ride. Approaching Mach 3, he decided to try to eject before the aircraft came apart on it's own from overspeeding and was immediately killed in the ejection sequence.
My father in law was a pilot in Bulgaria and he loved the mig 21 for being agile. But he flew the 23 too and said that it would go way past it's speed limits 😮he claimed he saw mach 2.8😮 but it was time to rebuild the hot section afterwards. It was also a lot of things from the f14 they borrowed so to speak but he preferred the mig21,because it turned 😂......i don't know when Bulgaria stopped flying the 23 but he flew the 21s almost to his retirement and then the mig 29.....but other than range he loved the 21,it really is a plane that doesn't get enough credit and there's a reason why India is just retiring theirs now. It's sort of the ǰeep of airplanes but has no range 😮
the mig-23 is such a hilariously small jet for the engine. I'd imagine the speed limit on that thing is just how far it'll go before running out of gas
Huh.... I have heard and read so many different tales about the Flogger by now.... Just the other day in a documentary about the SAAF actions in the late 70s early 80s where they said their Mirage 3s were outmatched by MiG-23s... How then with such a huge turning circle? Zoom and boom? Better GCI? But the Mirage is no slouch in my view even though it was older and the radar was less then perfect.... Can someone please help me understand?
Makes me think he walked out of medical to give his briefing. "Yes, nobody thinks it will maneuver. Only good for one G for 100 knots. So, in order for us to get to 20 Gs...."
The Flogger was a bomber hunter/recon plane blocker, so it made no sense to make it maneuverable, especially since the MiG-23s were under ground control.
At this point, @Wings_Museum isn't just ignoring our pleas for the whole video, they must be covering up some apocalypse level snafu behind the scenes. Probably an intern accidentally layering Rick Astley's "Never gonna give you up" over the whole thing; now they can't remove all of it so they just release the bits they managed to run some audio software on :)
Check out our interview with John Mann on Episode 30 of the Behind the Wings podcast!
Imagine if there is no full video. This guy just walks into random rooms, drops 30 seconds worth of plane trivia and leaves.
😂
Imagine if there wasn't a video at all and he walks into Bath & Beyond and drops some Mach numbers.
Those are the ones you get soooo tired of. They only talk jets, machs, ordonance.
What its just a random Econ class and this dude pops in lol?
@@voornaam3191 I think you mean "ordnance"
Him wearing the neckbrace makes these go so much harder.
If Tourette's Guy had a pilot brother.
"Just because... *points to the board* the acceleration was so great."
PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
It's an extraction collar not a neck brace. It's for pulling you out of a wreck in case of a crash.
@@marktaylor3152 Actually, it's called a cervical* collar, and its role is to REMIND its wearer to keep their head in a neutral and inline position and to help with stabilizing their head in that position. It has nothing to do with extrication* from a car. C-collars are put on anyone who is suspected of a neck injury at all. Some people, like the speaker, wear them long term from prior neck injuries. Why be a know-it-all if you're still going to get it wrong?
"How did you realise eventually that you had gone past 725 kts?"
*points to neckbrace*
These arent getting old 🤣🤣🤣
They tie a knot in rope and let it out one knot at a time and...🤣
When I had to eject because the wings ripped off
@@shovelhead108best comment here, love the handle too, Dad had a panhead
@@Skim_beeble7125 classic DCS tomcat
"Any questions?" *12 hands go up* "Any questions not related to my neck brace?" *12 hands go down*
-hand thrusts up
"or my t-shirt"
-last disillusioned hand goes down
“Good. It’s got to do with a slippery floor compensation claim at Walmart, and I’m not allowed to talk about it even if i wanted to.”
😂😂😂
Hahahahahahahahhaha. This comments section is delivering harder than normal
I still want to see the full lecture, please release it!
Same here
I know! Been seeing these shorts for a while, been waiting on the full thing
This is a museum. They make money from in-person admissions. If they gave you the product for free, it wouldn't sell.
@@sneed2600 in person admission for something that has happened in the past? Also I live in Europe, I wouldn’t go over there for that
@@sneed2600Or, ya know, they could be releasing clips to build hype and release the full lecture at peak interest for the YT revenue.
But sure, you're probably right.
Breakneck speed defined
😆 🤣
you made me hurt myself laughing with that one
Thank you 😂
Rumor is, his neck is still broken, even till this day
That's fucking gold
I had to learn the hard way in War Thunder that this jet does not care how fast it's already going, it will keep accelerating until it rips the wings.
Too bad it's complete trash in every other regard. The radar especially is just sad...
@interpl6089 Wym? It's freaking amazing for it's tier(MLD). With wings fully swept forward it destroys everything in a dogfight in it's BR if you know what you're doing, even F16s.
Radar works fine for the missiles you have and it's acceleration/top speed well, the clip speaks for itself.
@@KingMen1Force it shouldn't at all but it's very heavily buffed in game to be usable.
@@areyou0k98 Nope, the ML and MLA/MLD variants were decently good dogfighters. They went into drastic changes moving the internal fuel tanks to a position that helped the center of mass/lift, added slats and more.
The previous variants like M and below are like the guy in the clip says, and it's the same in WT. You can win dogfights with M variant in WT but it's gonna take like 5 whole circles to do so, and that's because since it can't pull lot of Gs it's doesn't really bleed a lot of speed. So while you're comfortably staying at 700kmh , the enemy has become a stationary target hanging in the sky having bleed all of their speed.
And that applies with the MLD even better.
So it's not like the MiG23 is overperforming in WT, but rather the way the instructor works in the game.
@@KingMen1Force
As someone who exclusively plays sim
A competent MiG-23 pilot is pain to face off with in the F-5E
If they have no clue it's a complete Turkey shoot
Please release the full video
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!,!
The government doesn’t want you to know.
@@TheOnion12War thunder players will probably find out soon lmao
Collar up with a neckbrace talking about extreme acceleration is iconic
The Chad Warden of fighter pilots.
You usually have to wear a neck brace because of extreme deceleration.
iRonic...
There are only few occupation in this world that having neckbrace gives the person ultimate authority on the matter.
If I had to guess (and I do, because the information wasn't provided), the M2.3 limit is due both to shock wave propagation and intake geometry.
Yeah, you can exceed the limit but the wrong random move can rip a shock front over a control surface that isn't designed for the stress, or cause a shock front derived compressor stall, or both.
Likely smooth as butter at M2.4+ until you hit that one little crosswind wrong and your port wing goes brrrRRRRRBANG and it's gone halfway down the span...
Which would be bad....
Crack theory: some of those spinning frisbee-shaped UFO sightings over Nevada were just a MiG-23 experiencing an asymmetric compressor stall.
The airframe couldn't handle it. The engine, was apparently very capable. According to the video.
Probably shouldn't throw around engineering terminology the brotherhood of steel might get mad 😂
Does this hurt the MiG?
Airframe is only so strong. The SR-71 had the same type of speed limit - a bit of turbulence or too much control authority once you passed the max speed could shred the plane as it departed a clean AOA
"it wasn't thrust limited"
Basically, the top speed depends on how brave you are.
Same is true for some other aircraft. E.g. the F-104
@@slowhornet4802 I came to the conclusion long ago that the Mig-23 is actually a F-104 with rough field/ short-field capability. Against the high maneuverability generation its in trouble and the situational awareness is also poor (F-16 onward) because the radar dot is only as wide as the HUD haha. No situational display, no head down radar scope. You can't present a situational display from the other sources via data links (all aspect). Everything goes to the HUD.
That's how the SR-71 worked too. Nobody ever truly found its "upper limit" because that would probably mean someone disintegrated the thing around them going somewhere north of Mach 3.5.
@@OneBiasedOpinion Probably quite a bit north. The thing was recorded climbing at somewhat below average temperatures at M3.56. I would not be shocked if the blackbird didn't cook its engines or explode until something damn close to Mach 4.
@@petersmythe6462 At mach 3.65, the SR-71's shock cone off the nose spike would hit the front chines, tail surfaces, engine inlets, and wings pretty much simultaneously. I don't think that would end well.
This has been my favorite plance since I was a young boy. It looks like real-life Robotech. Some things are solely aesthetic.
It is beautiful. There are some ugly and sexy pictures of it. Both gorgeous.
MiG-23 was revolutionary, especially such high tech coming from the Soviets, such be held as one of the most influential fighter planes in history.
If only they had figured out that Guardian mode. Then the Zentradi would never have been able to beam up Brezhnev.
Robotech or super fortress Macross was so dope as a kid, I think robotech was jus the us version and was macross spliced with some other anime but it was still cool as a kid I can find almost no one who hae ever Heard of it though.
@@maryannfalcione2194 Ooh! Those, and Gaiking, the fine lions Voltron, the 15 vehicles Voltron, the old Star Blazers...
That neckbrace adds some comedic element to the speed stories lol
"...that thing would go fast"
*wearing a neck brace*
"I'm sure it does."
Years ago I worked for an outfit that operated an F-104D. IIRC, it was limited to 2.2 Mach, because above that you'd get crazing of the canopy from aerodynamic heating. Not an airplane you like to land blind, not to mention a great dearth of spare Starfighter canopies. Just finding tires for it was bad enough, since the mains were only good for about 12 cycles.
It is the fastest single engine interceptor to enter service, the F-106 was a close second
Mig 21 maybe faster. But it too was rated to fly at Mach 2.3
@pankajjaiswal6498 The MiG-21 had a top speed of Mach 2.05, the Mig-3 Mach 2.35
@@shawns0762 ? Mig-3? The WW2 piston Engine fighter?
@@MrChickennugget360 typo is not a big deal haha
@@MrChickennugget360 exactly, THE Mig 3
So did you manipulate the airspeed indicator like the fuel weight indicator? 😊
"Are you exceeding the speed limit of the aircraft?"
*manipulates dial* Uh, no, actually I'm doing only 10 knots
@@michaelmartin9022 I didn't know until these videos that there was such a thing as "emotional support dials"
@@Andrew12217 They also can be emotional damage dials
"your neck injury is not service related...."
Soviet aircraft design-“Yes, comrade, it’s a nice plane, but it needs bigger engines!”
“But comrade, it already has the biggest engines Tumanski makes.” “Tell them we want bigger, Vlad; bigger!”
...so the MiG-23ML got the even more powerful Khachaturov R-35🙂
Mig 25 development in a nutshell
@@fulcrum2951how much fuel it need to eat?
A lot enough to became bankrupt for small country operating squadron of this planes.
Please upload the whole lecture! Not just the audio. We would greatly appreciate it.
My first flight was also my Grandfathers first flight. The Pilot and his extended family are close family friends. He routinely performs fixed-wing aerial topdressing work on extreme terrain.
When visiting on leave, I found him wearing a neck brace and working as a Salesperson for one of my Father's businesses.
He was typically tight-lipped. Eventually, I plucked up enough courage to ask him for the details of his aircraft crash. I was transfixed as he told me the epic details and of his daring do. I spent the remainder of the day raving over his exploits with the townsfolk.
We were discussing his crash at the bar late that evening when my Father told me, "He was driving home one night, needed a comfort stop, stepped out of his truck, fell down a ravine into a tree canopy, and broke his neck."
Is there a full video ?
No, because its a lecture given on the museus on a regular basis, if you want to watch it go there and support their hard work keeping their terrific collection of planes in the best shape possible.
@nichendrix I'll happily do that, but I am living in Europe. Thanks for the answer.
Where is the museum @@nichendrix
@@nichendrix yeah lemme just buy a plane ticket from Romania to the US with our 500 euro average salary here
Should take a page out of the British Tank Museum's book and make educational videos like they do. Just releasing shorts like this without even a paid version of the full video existing is slightly irritating.
The neck brace is perfect when talking about Gs
Where can I get the entire talk video?
The future. They're holding it back like the Zapruder film.
That's the intresting part, you don't
Damn, the demand for the full video lecture is going up with each short (Can't say I don't want to see it either)
John Mann is such a legend
I have NO IDEA why I keep getting these videos, but looking for the comments about the neck brace is a new hobby for me 😂
We want the full thing please
This dude got more! Release the whole thing already
Was there any reason the speed limit was set considerably below the actual performance limit?
Safety of the airframe would be my guess. F111 could go well above its Mach 2.5 stated speed but the paint would peel off and put more heat/stress than the airframe was designed for
@sniperkaboom4799 this is typically the answer in these situations.
The usual culprits are aerodynamic heating of the structure and the air at the engine compressor face, and stability and control.
If you get yourself sideways at Mach Lots, they the ride will be violent and brief as the airplane disintegrates around you.
Perhaps it's used to keep classified information?
The lecturer was actually the original test pilot before they set the speed limit. He tried to turn at the full performance speed limit and now he has to wear a neck brace for the rest of his life
When will the full lecture be released?
Where is the full video of this talk I want to watch it
The Mig-29 was the sexy Soviet plane when I was a kid, but I got talking to a couple former pilots, and reading about the US evaluations, and I decided that my favourite was the Mig-23.
Nice pfp
The U.S. evaluations that showed that the Mig-23 was terrible except for speed and that almost every plane in the sky absolutely owned it in any sort of combat scenario? Most U.S. pilots that flew it seem to regard it as a pretty awful aircraft besides the acceleration.
@@User-gs1dk thats fine if yur goal is less to dogfight someting and more to intercept enemy aircraft along the many many miles of soviet boarders very quickly. Saying the mig 23 is a bad dogfighter is like saying the f22 is a bad carrier aircraft.
Most Soviet planes are very beautiful. I agree the Mig-29 has one of the best profiles and the curves are absolutely perfect.
Our domestic air force used Mig21 jets from its early years. Those Mig21s were old planes when the first Mig23s came in. And the 23 was such a crap that it was retired more than a decade earlier than the Mig21s.
Where is this full lecture?
And it was too heavy for carriers so we got the Tomcat. I was a proud Tomcat fixer on Enterprise.
Is this full presentation somewhere?
When the hell is full video going to release
He is describing the MiG-23MF/MS. Russian pilots were rather unimpressed with that aircraft, finding it to be only good for BVR and interception duties. Later on ML model was made with improved aerodynamics (better vortex generation), reduced weight and the "maneuvering" wing position was 35 degrees instead of 45 and Tumansky R35 engine with 12500kgf of thrust. All that had made MiG-23 accelerate much better, and maneuver A LOT better with wing having its loading reduced and vortexes helping improve lift. It could out-accelerate F-16A in full burner and wings full-aft.
R-35 is a turbojet and it produced even more thrust as the speed increased. At M0.9 at sea level it put out 16 000KG of thrust.
Is there a full vid available?
I fly this in Metalstorm... absolutely terrible in a rate fight... but boy you sweep those wings back and boost towards the ground you get fast real quick.
How do we slow down?
Violent maneouvering until you drop to below Mach 1. Then you can throttle down and use the airbrakes.
'no one who flew it thought it maneuvered' - war thunder devs 'hold my beer'
Wearing a neck brace and not acknowledging it is comedy gold
Students: “Sir - did you injure your neck doing 10 Gs?”
Him: “Worse. I slipped on a banana peel on the way home from the store.”
how’d he get the neck brace? 7Gs?
So... was it a good plane or not? I've checked some numbers and I'm under the impression that it was broadly similar to F4 Phantom, ran into the same problems the early F4s did, although it came out a few years after that and therefore matured after F4s did. Some American guy who supposedly flew Mig21s told me Mig 23's were a failure though.
It wasn't, it was an interceptor and very specialized, the phantom came before it, had more payload and better ground ordinance, and better avionics to boot. There is a reason the mig 23 has little historical relevance besides being remembered as the plane which prooved dogfighting was dead when it got bullied by iranian tomcats from over the horizon phonixes
Give us the full video!!!
Where is the full video
I call this guy flying chuck Norris. My guy is looking like he eats f22 cobra maneuvers for breakfast
Judging from the neck brace he tried to pull 10G's didn't he.
One of my all time favorite planes
I sat on a MIG-23 in the Kiyv Military Museum, located next to the _Rodina Mate_ monument. You can do it for an extra fee. The aircraft is fearsome, you feel like you were seated on a spearhead. I'd never dare to solo in one, let alone fighting with it. 💪She looks like a massive brute when compared with the tiny sleek MIG-21 nearby. 😨
Cockpit canopy strength was the limiting factor not mentioned in the video. Yeah, you wouldn’t wanna push that limit *too* hard.
When’s the neck brace coming off? Or does it come off you pull too many g’s and you have to use it again?
So what was its max speed?
The acceleration was so great he still has whiplash.
My boy in the neck brace every video. Insane!
The mig 23 is my second favorite mig i really like it
"significantly unaware" is the most polite way I've heard "we had no fucking clue"
Now release the video please.
I have a soft spot for planes that are just “what if we go fast” so the sr-71, f104, etc
So Mach 2.3 but 725 "air speed limit"? What's the difference here mean?
airspeed limits are constant. 725 knots can be achieved at both sea level and also at 12000 meters. mach 2.3 would only be achieved at high altitudes (such as 12k meters) because air is thinner up there.
"After decades, I got the chance to fly it again a month before this interview. I may have briefly forgotten the shear acceleration of this aircraft. This may or may not have led to me breaking my neck in flight. Resulting in an emergency landing and this neckbrace." Just kidding :P
Fun fact: The Mig-23 never had an official documented *maximum* speed limit.
The reason was that the engine was so ungodly powerful that Soviet engineers and designers feared that if they pushed the engine, and therefore the entire plane, to it's absolute limit, the plane would just disintegrate around the engine.
How could Mach 2.3 be its limit if 725 knots is the airspeed limit? I though Mach 2 was like 1300 knots. Is there something I’m missing? I’m genuinely curious
That neck brace shoes he’s not lying bout it
Those planes do go too much zoom
Wearing a neck brace 30 years after flying the plane and giving a lecture about it is epic
At 1km altitude the MiG-23ML would sustain 5.5G at 400 knots - at a weight of 12,700kg and with 2x R-23 missiles under the wings. It was not nearly as bad as old timer here says.
The instant turn rate (which it could sustain for quite a while, actually) was much better than this, closer to 8G. It's not F-16, but it certainly wasn't a slouch and it didn't hold your hand.
Actually 8.5G.
Lt General Bobby Bond found this out the hard way....... He was visiting the read eagle squadron and wanted to take the Mig 23 for a spin, so they gave him the quick rundown of what all the cockpit controls did. When you're going over a certain speed, the thurst lever is locked in afterburner beause it's mechanically linked with the inlet ramps and if the inlet ramps were allowed to open at high mach speeds, it would immediately destroy the engine from the supersonic airflow in the inlet so the system is designed to lock the ramps in the closed position and the power in afterburner to prevent this. To slow it down, you have to take it vertical and/or put some g's on it and then pull it out of afterburner. Well, Lt gen Bond either wasn't instructed, forgot, or panicked and forgot this important element of operating this aircraft and greatly oversped his new ride. Approaching Mach 3, he decided to try to eject before the aircraft came apart on it's own from overspeeding and was immediately killed in the ejection sequence.
Google tells me that the speed of sound is about 670 knots.
How can the limit be Mach 2.3 and 725 knots?
apparently the 725 is what's safe-ish at sea level because of thicker air. Up where the air thins out they can go much quicker
Think he is the best MiG-23 seller ever!
My father in law was a pilot in Bulgaria and he loved the mig 21 for being agile. But he flew the 23 too and said that it would go way past it's speed limits 😮he claimed he saw mach 2.8😮 but it was time to rebuild the hot section afterwards. It was also a lot of things from the f14 they borrowed so to speak but he preferred the mig21,because it turned 😂......i don't know when Bulgaria stopped flying the 23 but he flew the 21s almost to his retirement and then the mig 29.....but other than range he loved the 21,it really is a plane that doesn't get enough credit and there's a reason why India is just retiring theirs now. It's sort of the ǰeep of airplanes but has no range 😮
so you tellin me that thing could rival the SR71? without even noticing it?
Nah, still far from it.
the mig-23 is such a hilariously small jet for the engine. I'd imagine the speed limit on that thing is just how far it'll go before running out of gas
He must have pulled a lot of Gs for that breakneck speed
Huh.... I have heard and read so many different tales about the Flogger by now.... Just the other day in a documentary about the SAAF actions in the late 70s early 80s where they said their Mirage 3s were outmatched by MiG-23s... How then with such a huge turning circle? Zoom and boom? Better GCI? But the Mirage is no slouch in my view even though it was older and the radar was less then perfect.... Can someone please help me understand?
Mach 2.3 with a single engine is still impressive. Faster than a Mirage, faster than a Viggen. Same as a Starfighter but at twice the weight.
MiG-23... the wildebeest of jet fighters.
RELEASE THE FULL LECTURE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!
Imagine how badass to be testing an enemies plane secretly ?
Least confusing Soviet aviation design:
Reminds me of the dude from Office Space 😂
This plane is a joy to fly in War Thunder. Pure, unbridled, unadulterated, raw speed
An absolute rocket
Makes me think he walked out of medical to give his briefing. "Yes, nobody thinks it will maneuver. Only good for one G for 100 knots. So, in order for us to get to 20 Gs...."
I jump everytime he snaps his fingers, even when watching the video loop.
Are you told "Break a neck" when you are about to fly a mission?
Question: “Sooooo, it was fast. Would you say it was capable of . . . ahem . . . breakneck speeds? Yes sir. I’ll see myself out.”
I'm guessing the neckbrace is because he went past those limits
the neck brace 🤣 he knows
725 was its limit, mach 2.3 was its limit, so what was its limit?
until the engine blew up or the wings fall off haha !
the slower speed is what's safe at sea level. up high in thin air they can safely go much faster
Acceleration was so great, he’s still in a neck brace decades later. 😜
Where us the full video?
But the mig-23 had one little problem. If you fly it at full speed too long the engine disintegrated.
Wasnt that the mig25?
@thesupreme8062 The mig engine technology was acceptable to damage.
Dude said Believe me thats how I got this neckbrace hahahaha
The Flogger was a bomber hunter/recon plane blocker, so it made no sense to make it maneuverable, especially since the MiG-23s were under ground control.
At this point, @Wings_Museum isn't just ignoring our pleas for the whole video, they must be covering up some apocalypse level snafu behind the scenes. Probably an intern accidentally layering Rick Astley's "Never gonna give you up" over the whole thing; now they can't remove all of it so they just release the bits they managed to run some audio software on :)
its like he survived desintegration this morning and its giving a presentation on how it happened so they dont fire him