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I did enjoy it and like it, though I will have to mull over how much I accept. That idea of the land shaping its people as much as the reverse being so, is explored in the astonishing movie, Hostiles, which is one of the best westerns I’ve ever seen. I would love to know what a thinker like you makes of such an experience?
@@websurfer5772 : Not sure what you’re asking me? I am intrigued by Jung’s analysis; and there certainly is strong evidence that, “herd mentality,” prevails in America. And that strikes against the very self identification of Americana; the individualist culture. But it’s not something I’ve evaluated before. As to the movie, I was referring to the maker of this video as, “a thinker,” since I am interested in a philosophical response to that film. Does that answer your question?
*_Ah, yes... the "Elective Affinities". A perfect segway into a discussion on fait vs free will. Or perhaps, the next Calvin and Hobbes cartoon. One could ask, is America predestined for greatness, tyranny, or obliteration? And some would say all three... in that order! How long can Entropy be stayed? Or will it hold off for centuries, dare I say millennia, more? Rational inquiring minds would like to know._*
they are freer than all the europoors. 1A is real and observed, 2A is real (though beleaguered), Civil Rights are real (though some say excessive), voting works the way it was intended - to solve problems, instead of as glorified opinion polls like in say Germany or Russia.
@@JohnnyAngel777 It seems to me not many of these minds are found in the US. Hell, those actual brains might have to look up several of the terms you have used in your comment and probably still won't understand what they mean.
Which is fine. The problem comes when the poolry educated part of the working class believe the constitution guarantees them the right to say whatever they want WHEREVER they want. However, the constitution only guarantees the right to say whatever you want about the US government and the government cannot imprison you. Has NOTHING to do with having the right to say whatever you want in a private setting like a social media site owned by a business🙄 Why don’t those people get that. Is it about, “I just want to SAVE my country, so let me spew conspiracy theories to quell my anxiety”?
In a letter to his wife Emma dated 1909 Albany NY in Appendix II to "Memories, Dreams Reflections", Jung writes "...everything is too big, too immeasurable. Men are as well off here as the culture permits; women badly off. We have seen things here that inspire enthusiastic admiration and things that make one ponder social evolution deeply. As far as technological culture is concerned, we lag miles behind America. But all that is frightfully costly and already carries the germ of the end in itself."
The America of this analysis by Jung has all but vanished, to the extent it was ever relevant at all. Anyone who works in our public schools can tell you that no one is raising our children to be any of those things mentioned at 8:19. The epoch of the internet as the dominant instructive presence in the minds of young Americans is firmly established. The unprecedented levels of materialism, neuroticism, and nihilism in society reflect that.
Because we let it happen. With TV--the greatest invention in history--we sat back and left it to the commercial hucksters to pollute our minds and society. Along comes the Internet and RUclips platforms showing the way of the future for REAL education and we make the SAME stupid mistake. There's just no helping us. 95% of us will go down the usual route to moronity while a new class of human will conduct its own education. A two-tier society is already in the gestation. And about time!!
At the end of the day Jung is still a progressive (in the sense that he believes modernity is better than premodernity). Public schooling has _always_ been about creating worker bees. Even Marx said public education was one of the 10 planks of socialism in his manifesto. The 80s and 90s were not as nihilistic or neurotic as 2024, but they were definitely materialist. The French Revolution was “The End of History.” History since then has been about extending those rights and ideals to the rest of the world. Personally I think we should read Georges Bataille and Rene Girard to get in touch with how our ancestors lived instead of relying on caricatures of premodernity being oppressive and dark.
Right on. I see two-year-olds gawking at phones and other devices, their parents surrendering their duty to talk to their kids and consigning them to the like the inhuman techno-machine dominated by the Zuckermans of this world. There will be great strains introduced into millions of families because the kids won't be able to relate to the real world and the world of their parents and other human beings.
pause at 5:05. what jung is saying, in laymans terms, is; "the majority of people in america dont have a mind of their own. theyre a bunch of sheep" but he said that in a longer, more drawn out way, so as to not be as rude and untactful. even though it means literally the same thing.
Yup. It's a little condescending for sure. I think there's some truth in it but it's not like Europe is free from the same thing (as Jung got to witness up close within the decade of this 1931 article)
As an American, I find it sad that so many cultures end up appearing to be more American all over the world. I wish people could keep their cultures more intact. But you know, people with way more power and control than me actually want us all to end up the same in the end, which is only 5 years away.
@@lrdf4749 I do individually, however culturally American influence is still way too strong: we’re talking economics, globalization, military and multiculturalism. Politically, the “BSW” party is the only party wich distances itself from US-influence, while the patriotic “AfD” basically copies American neoliberal economics: and both parties are a little too close to Moscow. There are minor pro-German fringe parties like the III. Path, who are however fascist (and pretty dumb) unfortunately. SSW is a Danish-Frisian interests party, who are politically more oriented towards the nordic model, and probably the best party out there.
The dominance of Big Media is to blame, IMHO. Hollywood especially switched to baser, cruder fare -- and so followed the hapless populace. Does any other land have such an insatiable desire to go slumming? Tell me if you've ever heard a friend laud, e.g., a TV series saying "Yeah, it kinda grossed me out at first. But I stuck with it and wound up liking it." All that means is they desensitized themselves, lowered their standards just to sit for those hours and be "entertained." Accuse them of this -- and they'll go ballistic, BTW.
Not necessarily. The so-called positive and negative aspects come together in a package. Besides America and East Asia, what other countries have the wealth and power to innovate? The issue is that technology and capitalism tend to assimilate authentic forms of expression. This is why Fight Club, the Matrix, Joker, and Nietzsche are so popular. Unfortunately reading Nietzsche is treated like reading “Rich Dad Poor Dad” or “The 4-Hour Workweek.” If you like Nietzsche, I encourage you to engage with the works of Georges Bataille and Rene Girard. Let’s learn about the rituals of our ancestors which techno-capitalism assimilated (like the T-1000).
All of the Zionist infrastructure to mould the American attitude and culture through the MSM, government propaganda, academia, entertainment and the fake political parties were already in control during the 1930’s just like today. Only difference is better technology including digital, CGI (as in 911 but much better now) green screen, CGI (NASA space station), (Musk giant rockets-Mars rover) AI.
What did Jung say that praised Americans in this video? The supposed positive thing he had to say was that we are "extremely optimistic" which I am certain he did not mean as a compliment. Do you know of anything he's ever written elsewhere that actually really does praise Americans in any kind of way?
What Jung said about the Heroic Ideal and how we (americans) will support and cheer on someone we see trying hard is true. There's a British competitive eater who often comes to the US to try different food competitions in various restaurants. He was surprised and embarrassed at first when Americans in the restaurants started loudly cheering him on at each challenge. He said when he does these restaurant challenges in England the patrons ignore him or rib him and say he won't win. Now he loves the US and has talked about his appreciation for the way Americans cheer each other on.
I'm American and I've lived, studied and taught overseas in Asia for a long time. It seems that locals resent success, even those of their friends. For me, this is strange. On the other hand, I appreciate my friends' achievements and congratulate them.
Very well analyzed. I agree completely. The algorithms are mere amplifiers of our own modular brain. The organism is a model of its environment. As someone trying to find the moderate line, I hope to get into these areas of analysis myself on my own channel too. Thanks for this excellent work!❤
Nice line on the organism being a model of its environment. Reminds me of McLuhans the medium is the message. Also love your channel name! Nicely oxymoronic
@ Yes. My background is in biology and so much of the emergent phenomena from our social interactions is representations of evolutionary psychology and the theory of evolution through natural selection. In nature, organisms represent their ecosystem and hence become a model of their environment. This we see in social network theory as well. My view of Radical moderation is deciding where’s the line is in opposing views. Love your channel by the way. Cheers!
Did Jung refer to "Manifest destiny", "American exceptionalism", "City upon a hill"? Did he refer to the fact that the Natives Americans were subjected to genocide? Or the fact that people were kidnaped from Africa and converted into slaves?
Technically speaking, Africans weren’t kidnapped but sold by other Africans. I find it disingenuous when people glorify American slavery when slavery (along with prostitution) are the oldest occupations. This is not to disparage the suffering of African Americans, but simply to state facts. Africans as a continent was very unwilling to give up slavery as a cultural practice (in fact there are more slaves today than there were then. Overall I agree with your point.
@@brennancarter7721 Sadly, someone the other day wrote this under a different vid: "There is straight up old timey slavery in Dubai, Yemen, Qatar,and Saudi Arabia." - 2024
@@brennancarter7721 Simple, self-justifying arguments are part of the problem. The Dunning-Kruger principle is a central factor dominating the illusion of manifest destiny.
@@luisbustamante9869 I agree, but given the contextual foundations of civilization it’s naive to ignore the fundamental reality that it is common place. There are more slaves today than there were then, and most of them are in the Middle East and Africa. That is partially due to the destabilization of these countries (by the west), but to ignore it a common place practice is silly. Look into the Trans-Saharan slave trade. It’s very interesting. I recommend Slavery and Social Death by Orlando Patterson, it’s an incredible book.
My theory is that young people are gravitating to anime because it represents the archetypes of the collective unconscious more than Western media. You cannot make an engaging movie about a Wall Street banker, so you have to tell the story of a “Wall Street banker that is also a criminal (like the outlaw in the Old West). That’s the Wolf of Wall Street”. But it’s still too modern. Dragon Ball, Death Note, Attack on Titan, Code Geass, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Vinland Saga, etc. In 1994 Mufasa was one of the Great Kings of Pride Rock and Scar was the usurper, now in 2024 Scar is the rightful king and Mufasa is the usurper.
@@aesop1451 spot on my friend from another universe, Its like the west is losing the ability to stir the cauldron, No matter how much they spend. And i reckon thats their weakness there to much
I always thought Russians and Americans are alike, especially after my last visit to the US in 2018, now I absolutely have no doubt it’s true. Everything Jung described is valid for Russians as well. That’s why I didn’t really like US and moved to New Zealand LOL.
13:22 it's not racism it's tribalism the mother ism of all other isms which is just a preference for one's own in-group because there was a time when stranger danger had a reason for being. It is hardwired into us and no one is exempt it is simply a part of the human condition but one that's easily mitigated through self-awareness and a small bit of effort and if you can't accommodate that then you're not worth your salt
Genuine questions, do you think it's possible to be tribal but not have stranger danger? And do you think there are not some legitimate dangers within some tribes? Seems like you are throwing the baby out with the bath water but I dunno, that's why I'm asking.
@@garyhynes any sane culture would be careful and considered about what elements they want to introduce to their culture, because it will eventually change its constitution. Post war Western Democracies have been very influenced by the likes of Karl Popper and his open society neveragainism and hasn't thought much through.
@@garyhynes it's not something that people try to do is a universal human trait that has always been with us and likely always will be. Multiculturalism is always difficult and not really natural but when you compare Western societies today with Humane Societies over millions of years because we're not the only bipedal hominids who had the coexist with others that were similar but different enough to bring up our tribal nature we're actually crushing it I think. After all we are a social species but not because we like being social as I believe the opposite is true butt out of necessity because we're just so goddamn useless without each other that you wouldn't have lasted a single day in the world your ancestors evolved into without the cooperation of others and that is another way that we're hard-wired and this is what brings you the herd mentality the go along to get along but don't make waves mindset that brings you things like cancel culture and Nazis because being rejected by The Herd was traditionally a death sentence. Our claim to fame our key to success that we owe our very existence too that allowed us to conquer the whole planet in less than 50,000 years after first walking out of Africa and ironically enough might be the very thing that ends up destroying us.
Welcome back man. Hope all is well. Thinking about philosophy and sich can push you towards solitude. But we are here for you man. Always good to see you dude. Take care.
It's weird, people are expected to apologize for what C.G. Jung, or our Founding Fathers, or other great men said hundreds of years ago. They were brilliant, but their fault was they were not politically correct...😂
For me, it's more about recognising that they are human. What grinds my gears is seeing humans elevated to godlike status. I don't think they should be trashed for being people of their time but also I think we shouldn't idolise flawed humans as perfect paragons we could only dream of imitating. Put away the pitchforks _and_ the altars I say
@@TheLivingPhilosophy That sounds reasonable to me. I'm just astounded that I've never heard anything like this about Jung before. I wonder why that is. Nothing like the info in this video was ever in our textbooks because I'm sure I would have thought differently about Jung decades ago if I'd read any of his actual articles or books.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Viewing historical figures through the lens of modern day politics is a logical fallacy. Try to understand them in context. It's called Exegesis.
@@websurfer5772 I was surprised as well but it's been a big deal in Jungian circles for a while. There was a whole public letter about it (but then unpublished) a few years back. It all goes back to the late 80s and Dalal's article (the most downloaded article from the British Journal of Psychotherapy)
@@liamoconlocha3264they are referring to the content creator. I have YT premium, so no ads through the entire video or before or after. The peace of mind of not watching any advertising anywhere, ever, is so worth the few bucks a month. I don't watch TV either. People talk about a certain ad that is pervasive and I just laugh as I have never had to see it. I believe it helps to short circuit the consumerism mentality. But I am actually a paying YT consumer, so either way the capitalists are winning.
As an American whose ancestry here goes back to Boston and Virginia of the 1600s, I never bought into Jung's ideas here, including Erich Fromm's variant (Fromm was a student of Jung). Our culture was shaped by the free-market culture of the 'adventurers' of the 1500s & 1600s and Puritanism, and later the Enlightenment. It is the conflict between the Enlightenment on the one hand, and the previous history of Puritanism and the legacy of the adventurers that gives rise to the contradictions in the American nature. Then there are the sub-cultures of the different regions, with what the settlers and later immigrants brought to each one. Alexis de Tocqueville provides insights in his "Democracy in America," but even his observations seem off a bit.
Born in Ireland. Lived the second half of my life in the states. American individualism, similar to my Irish Catholic upbringing is not immune to social norms. I wonder what Jung would say about the enmeshment of Irish families. Perhaps he might change his outlook relative to differentiation of self
I've noticed glimmers of change within my own family. You see it even in what people wear to funerals, the changing of colors, but it's deeper than that, there's an understanding that they are trapped, but as anyone who has made changes knows it's no easy task at all to break from the herd mentality. It requires being alone and reassessing your entire self image. Surely the evolution is slowly taking place at some level. When we do the work ourselves and give it time, you begin to see that they see that you see something greater than enmeshment.
@closki226, What are you babbling about? American "individualism" similar to your "Irish Catholic" upbringing not immune to "social norms?" You sound like something from Soc. 101. America was founded by a small number of "people" whose supposed flight from "religious persecution" was "seriously" because the Protestant new (who was promoting the picture) "christianity" was not punishing "Catholics" enough. These same "pilgrims" within 18 months of landing on "Plymouth Rock decided it was best to murder the natives who had befriended them. They did the act in a very treacherous way, You can not attempt to see the world from one or even two text books. You need historical facts. And facts have a meaning. Facts are not to "justify" or to "condemn." Facts are to show an accurate "map." what people make of a map depends on their "conditioning." But make no mistake all humans are "conditioned." That is why you live in a prison and you "believe" it's a garden.
I'm an American. I'll admit I've called my homeland the 'United States of Absurdity' on several occasions. The American dream is to just not be quite as looney as the girl next door. So far I'm winning. 😮
Jung is not entirely wrong. Take any movie with Eddie Murphy, Kevin Hart, or Chris Rock and imagine Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, or Will Ferrell doing those roles. Here’s another thought experiment: I like pre-2009 Eminem’s music, but Eminem, Mac Miller, and Post Malone definitely feel different than Tupac, Ice Cube, and Nas.
Jung's racism, hmm, I grew up in the 60s in Germany and I posit that there was plenty of racism and discrimination to go around, not because we were deliberately and consciously looking down on people with a different appearance, but because that was the "Zeitgeist", if you will, and/or how we grew up/were taught. When I was in my late teens and, not knowing what to do after highschool, joined the police my backwards views on e.g. homosexuality and foreigners (purely based on fear of the unknown) were strengthened rather than being evolved. It was only when I enrolled at university at the end of the 80s I got my first real education in equality and humanity on a larger scale. I think this touches on what we now call cancel culture, i.e. judging history by modern day standards. Well, you can't. Cause if you were to do that you would have to condemn the Italians for being descendants of the Romans who were, yes, advancing civilization and early technology, but factually did so by raping, pillaging and murdering their way through Europe. I am sure one can find numerous other examples. And I am sure there were lots of great men and women throughout history like Jung who made crucial contributions to society and helped shape it the way it is now and who weren't exactly "squeaky clean" regarding their opinions seen from our point of view. What is strange, however, that nowadays we are far more capable personally and by way of technology to see and recognize people doing wrong and/or bad things, but still stand idly by and let it happen. So I have a hard time judging people's behaviour from more than a century ago.
bro : maybe the internal american economy will just do anything; for cash : it's marketing companies buying time with rich white american generational wealth : gotta get those bretton woods agreement dollars :
"A white hot haze of frozen tinsel flux condascending to an unwilling world's waiting through technicolor static." ~ Socratus Americanus (in "Owl Among the Ruins")
thing is jung was smart. dont expect other people to jump on board so quickly. "eerrr, whatdya mean?! were freeeee... i get redbull and BEEER mixed tugheeether! hic hic!"
It's not at all unusual in anthropological literature of yesteryear for writers to refer to other races and peoples as primitives. It can, of course, imply a certain colonialist arrogance, but I hardly think that Jung's use of the term (and similar ones) marks him as racist. After all, he attributes wonderful skills, including psychological and spiritual ability, to the people to whom he attaches the label of primitive. In my opinion, Jung didn't see any other races as inferior to his own. But let's not forget that many lifestyles around the world in Jung's day were indeed far more primitive than Jung's own. This is true in the sense that these lifestyles lack (and often still lack) the modern accoutrements of technological culture. I hardly think Jung would use this fact to deduce that any other peoples are inherently primitive. All in all, then, I don't think it's fair to call Jung a racist just because he uses a word that we hyper-modern people denounce.
I would have agreed with you before digging into it but going down the rabbit hole it's changed the way I viewed Jung's talk of primitives. I think my charitable interpretations led me to overlook it. More on this in the next video of course but this quote is a good example: "In the collective unconscious you are the same as a man of another race, you have the same archetypes, just as you have, like him, eyes, a heart, a liver, and so on. It does not matter that his skin is black. It matters to a certain extent, sure enough - he probably has a whole historical layer less than you. The different strata of the mind correspond to the history of the races." (‘Tavistock Lectures II’. CW 18 (1935)) Once you read a few of these quotes you begin to get the full picture of Jung's attitude towards races and it's less of a primitive philosopher than it is primitive savage in his eyes
Children are primitive. It's understood to be a relative term. Pre industrial cultures are primative. Most Adults can understand this. Facts prevail despite overheated pretzel logic. The language police will fail, sanity is rebounding day by day. Disclaimers applied to routine meanings and understandings are withering on stony rocks of euromarxism.
@@larryzink8978 so I think you're missing the point here. If we're talking about pre-industrial cultures then okay but Jung's not just talking about them. That fits with Hegelian/Maxist/Metamodern dialectics of cultural complexity. But Jung is talking about non-Europeans in industrialised nations. That's different. You might still side with Jung but just thought I'd clarify what the scope of the discussion is here
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Thanks for the reply. It may be that I tend to agree with Jung rather than with the people who declare that all races are equal in all respects. (It depends on the criteria of course, and in terms of the criterion of political equality, we should all be treated alike.) But how do you explain the obvious superiority of some races in some pursuits? Look at the black athletes who reach numbers out of proportion to whites in the NFL. Such numbers make an obvious case for the notion of basic differences in the races. My point may appear to be the opposite of Jung's (I'm citing superiority among black athletes), but the point is that Jung was not wrong, perhaps, in calling attention to the different developmental stages of various races. This is dicey territory: I'm not saying that a great black quarterback is necessarily stupid in any other pursuit. But it seems obvious that as a whole, there is something to the notion that different races have reached varying levels of development in certain regards. I'm totally white, of British/Irish stock, and I have no problem acceding to the idea that my inability to reach the NFL has something to do with my ancestry (going back many, many generations).
@@harrydeanbrown6166 I can see your point but consider the difference between what you are saying and what Jung is saying. Your point: certain groups of people have marginal advantages in certain domains which at a population level leads to statistically significant differences. You are talking about minor differences. Consider Jung's point: non-Europeans are lacking whole historical layers in comparison; we can't expect a father to not murder his child since his consciousness isn't differentiated. You are talking about one human race with genetic variations among groups; Jung is talking about races which have a hierarchy in which one ("primitive" non-Europeans) has no impulse control and is childlike and prehistoric in comparison to the other (European). I know the point you're trying to emphasise: humans aren't homogenous - there are differences among groups. But I don't think you should be too hasty in throwing your lot in with Jung even if I can agree with your distaste towards a "humans are all the same in all situations everywhere" sort of narrative
if the goths are not nonconforming then that means it's impossible to not conform but it's clear we do make our groups and communities. it's not about the uniform its about what it says and why you wear it also the bravest people from all around the world came here
@@africanzungu7350 Actually, I believe it was the promise of freedom that brought people to America. But how could it ever be a free country when the original inhabitants were treated so cruelly and horribly by the newcomers?
@@africanzungu7350 The last 50 years has been a attack on the education system but those people are not stupid they did whatever scheme they picked because in there financial situation there was no way out and when there is no way out people look for hope even if it is false. Those people who do those schemes hire salesman with years of exp and most of them are fking psychopaths.
“Just” amplifiers are pushing us ever farther out of yet another temporary equilibrium, preventing us from coming to grips with the new speed of onslaught and developing some semblance of coping mechanism.
Been with your channel since the start and very glad to see it has grown so big. We used to chat on Reddit, in fact, and I once moderated the CasualPhilosophy sub where I pinned your channel.
@@TheLivingPhilosophyAre you still active there, or perhaps on BlueSky or Instagram? I do miss our chats, and have finished my book of philosophy maxims. I’ve deleted my old Reddit account but have a new one now.
@@TimBitten not really active on any of them to be honest! Still have my reddit and instagram. I did try and setup bluesky but there was some faff so I bailed. Congratulations on finishing the book!
Without justice there will be no peace because without struggle there is no justice 🇵🇸 You cannot oppress a people and expect them to just take it because those who believe in freedom will not rest until it comes 🇾🇪
In many Native American societies, each man had to be persuaded to go to war, and there was no stigma if he refused: one example of the now-American adoption of an ideal/delusion of "total freedom" (that certainly didn't come from Europe). Another is love for/worship of Nature, its powers and beauties and mysteries---but Americans now also love "developing" Nature until they destroy it (like good colonialists) and they do not care, even while destroying their own home. Between these two forces the society is heading straight over a cliff. They don't care about that, either.
A 2 party system contributes to this. Detoqurville said something similar once there's a consensus then speech is silenced more than a monarch 👑 could.
This thumbnail is very cool by the way. So since I listened to this yesterday, I've seen two different Jung quotes on other people's videos and I appreciated them. I'm not saying that after I watched this I'm going to completely hate and shun Jung. I can still very much appreciate much of what he came up with. I just see him differently now and I don't hold him in as high esteem as I did before, but I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We don't have to look at things as black or white; we can see choose to see them as multi-colored. I would have appreciated knowing the truth about him when I was first introduced to him. Well, I believe you should take what works for you and leave the rest. Love the sinner, hate the sin.
We can be grateful and acknowledge all Jung's done while being realistic that no one is without flaws. One does not invalidate the other and it's proper academia. His American observations are timelessly accurate and it is valuable information to include the darker shades of his thought palate. How can I watch the first suggested video at the end? It doesn't appear to be a live link. I've seen the philosopher one, and I don't believe I've seen the other, nor can I find it. Thank you for all your hard work and integrity!! 🙏☺
Thank you kindly. The video on Jung’s racism should be up in 2 weeks time so I’m going to add that link after the fact (bit of a weird way of doing it but seeing as it’s the next video I thought it made sense for longer term)
@@TheLivingPhilosophy That makes a lot of sense and I don't think it's weird at all, thank you very much for the clarification! I ought to have deduced it but I didn't want to assume 😅I'm a huge fan and am immensely grateful to you and your work- I geeked out you responded! 🤓Thank you sir!
@@TheLivingPhilosophythis’s good because as an American, I’ve never heard anything about racism. What’s “race,” anyway? Is there a possibility you could do something about the Holocaust, we don’t hear much about it and yet memorials and museums are everywhere for it.
@@TheLivingPhilosophydidn't you do something on Jung's 'racism' before? I think it was regarding his early idea that there are different collective psyches and how he saw his psychology as particularly addressing the 'Germanic'.... as opposed to Freud and others. I must admit i really dislike the term racism and prefer the term ethnocentrisism. When you look at the contemporary meaning of 'racism' you yet the feeling that only one group is guilty of it, yet over 70% of the world is deeply ethnocentric. I suppose it's current usage is another marvelous American invention, rooted as it is in collective power politics.
@@ninacornejo5577 haha that's awesome! Well I hope you'll enjoy the one in a couple of weeks and perhaps I shall see you in the comments section there 🫡
I loved many things about your video... Mostly this The word Hero has hounded me all my life. I have pulled people out of not 1, but 2 burning vehicles as a group of other heroic Americans looked on. It was never heroic, but much more Golden rule, as I wished someone may help me if ever needed. Pre cell phone I was never thanked or admired, not even by my wife who screamed " YOU HAVE CHILDREN! as I ran in. It's so interesting to examine oneself later in life...... Name one real Hero. What does that even mean? My guess is the most heroic acts ever were by women for their children and never shared or known.
Another interesting video essay. Something very curious happens consistently when mentioning the potential outdated and problematic views of historical figures of note. A contingent of any audience will make an entreaty to view the historical figure with depth and nuance, despite the problematic views, which often comes across as patronising and insidious in its own way. I say that because if you have any insight and stake into a matter such as race and racism, you're probably already well-equipped to understand nuance, but the subtext from such comments is a contemporary normalisation and rationalization of such views.
Europeans who came here had to be tough, adventurous, and heroic to survive. It was a big country with many challenges to overcome to make it a nation. It has welcomed all peoples, all cultures, and all religions and is considered the melting pot of the world. Its idealism, success, and optimism has been legendary. We're not perfect, but no country is; but we are growing and evolving and trying to correct our mistakes and get better all the time.
The only freedom in Amerika is the freedom to conform, and the definition of Amerikan individualism is, "I couldn't give a shit about anybody except myself."
Racetheories existed Prior to the current one, where white people take all the blame. Primitive then did not mean minor or less valuable, but closer to original tribal roots including its view of Nature, Gods and People. I understand that Japanese who immigrated to Brasil years ago, no longer behave typically japanese. Its quite astonishing to learn how much the environment shapes people.
Más na verdade, ficou difícil de entender o que você 🫵 quis dizer com essa história 🤔 acho que você poderia ser mais claro ou alguém que realmente entendeu tudo, poderia me explicar. Obrigado.
Im recent years, I've become more partial to Jacques Lacan than Carl Jung, as far as their respective continuation of Freudian psychoanalysis. Yet, I certainly haven't dismissed his insights entirely both within and without psychology. His insight onto the contradictions and what I call our "cult of the individual" here in America has held up pretty well, as this only accelerated in the 70's. We definitely took it way too far, so worried about "defeating socialism" as many would have it, that we have all but destroyed any sense of the social and the sense of community & cohesion that comes with that. I do a little head & eye twitch everytime I hear or see some other American, be they a journalist or a random social media user, complain about young people these days being selfish, coddled brats that think they are so important and want to be "influencers", as if they did not have a huge role in this culture of narcissistic self-absorption that plagues us.
Very interesting video, I learned a lot and I appreciate your breakdown on Jung’s questionable statements on race. Jung seems to have a cult following, people either love him or hate him. I offer my two cents to encourage you to question the notion that both American political parties are equally bad. Maybe that’s not what you meant to convey but I’ll address point anyway. You say the claim that democracy is in trouble is overblown and I think that’s just factually incorrect. I’m not here to argue that you or anyone else should fall in line with every Democrat talking point just because they say “democracy is in danger.” But it’s undeniable that the MAGA wing of American politics actively has attempted to undermine the will of the people. This became clear as day after Jan 6th and I encourage you to read about it. Of course I think there are plenty of criticisms of democrats for using the “democracy is dying” slogan. But there is legitimate truth underlying the claim and I don’t think simply ignoring it because of Jung’s 80 year old quip about culture is the right thing to do.
Jung's racism was not something specific about him, the majority of people were racist back then, before the civil rights movements, It is sad that back in the time he couldn't see the truth as the way we see it today, the social behaviors are not biological.
I believe that labelling that quote as 'racist,' is stretching it too far. If what Jung said about living among primitive African cultures is such, then everyone trying to assimilate to any nation they immigrate to is racist. It's common sense to espouse the mores and language of the land you live in, otherwise you couldn't say you live there. The opposite attitude to what Jung describes would more accurately be defined as self-segregation and isolation.
True to an extent but as we'll be looking at in the next video he had opportunities (people he respected and people in his circle) who contradicted him but he didn't take them up. So a man of his times for sure but it doesn't let him totally off the hook. Not _everyone_ was racist back then
Idk if algorithms amplify what’s particularly American. Is it ignorant of me to hypothesize instead that it amplifies our innately worst natures because it exploits them, like bias, hate, and anger. Ways of provoking our loyalty to the feed. What’s more, even the more pure aspects of our nature are preyed upon-like our need for acceptance and belonging. I think the attention economy demands that tech corporations get theirs no matter how and the prevailing systems with their algorithms are designed to only serve that. Now imagine how different it might be if the powerful engine of our digital world was in service to something else? Idk. I think it’d be different for sure. The grass is always greener but in this case I think if there was any sense of genuineness our collective experience with technology would improve.
Before this I would have shared your perspective and in the video I was more playing with the alternative. Since America set the culture of the online space it makes sense that their particular accents of the universals would show up right? I'm still not sure to what extent though...
Wait a minute. Individual Americans are inexorably swept along by herd mentality? That is laughably incorrect and, to be frank, callow. The US is 2000 miles across, plus two unconnected states. She houses an astonishing variety of lifestyles, internally created and drawn from literally every country on Earth. If French speaking Cajuns in Louisiana are in sync with Kansas Mennonites and the people of San Fransisco's China Town, it is because as Americans they can be what they please, as much or as little as they please. That they do, obviously. When Americans choose to pull in the same direction it is willingly and to further the authority of the individual over himself. Is that scares poor old Carl, then he is invited to hide under his bed. I've read four or five of Jung's books in translation and couple more about him. Smart fellow. Nobody's perfect.
The country always move in the same direction according to the same trend for awhile, then the previous trend is forgotten for the new one. It's quite obvious to see and hard to unsee when it's seen. Why do you think there are only two political parties? Most places have more than two because people are diverse and don't follow leaders in the same way. Why is there only one language that completely dominate? Why one day everybody is doing cars, then learn to code, then learn to prompt, become influencers? the media cycles tell people what to think about. But the biggest constant one is everybody wanting to be an individual everybody wanting to be the best and clubber the competition. The actual diversity is skin deep.
A note on Jung’s racism I always try to underline: Jung completely misses MAJOR historical-anthropological realities about the African-American population and their culture, which is that of the African-American adoption and then retention (when most white populations had abandoned them in one form or another), of Scotts-Irish and otherwise British culture, customs, attitudes and speech patterns. THIS is the origin of the behaviors and mindsets Jung underlines as Americans adopting from African-Americans- so in reality the inverse of Jung’s criticism is what has happened. (Queue the tension between and dislike of African-Americans and their culture by recent African immigrants) I’ve seen this best underlined in a very easily accessible and digestible way through Thomas Sowell’s work, but its generally pretty common knowledge among people who study or are otherwise interested in the history, anthropology and linguistics of America. For a short taste of this, Sowell has a video titled: 'Black Rednecks: The Origin of the Black Southerners | Thomas Sowell' that is worth a listen.
Sowell's take on Black Rednecks is definitely worth a listen. I'm seeing a pattern. Their culture keeps tracing back to western and southern Britain. That's fascinating to me. Apparently it's not that way much at all in Britain anymore though. But I thought he said Scots-Irish earlier in the video and that's northern Britain. Those are my people but I don't know much about them or how they are because I just received my papers from my adoption at age 55 and it turns out I come from Scots-Irish on both sides, but I was put in a home of a very different culture as a baby. I do know Scots-Irish settled in the South in the US though. Then both sides of my bio-relatives moved out West from there. Scots-Irish also brought us rock-n-roll. Probably because we're Celtic. I definitely have that in my blood. And that can go with a certain kind of outlook and lifestyle for sure that Jung would frown upon.
Whoa whoa, whoa…boundless publicity, lack of distance between us and popularity…Mr. Jung you have my heart ❤️ Nothing please me more than the perplexed look Europeans give me when tell them I’m trapped in the absolute unbridled potential of the unconstrained mob and I feel free as a bird 🦅 💅 Maybe that viewpoint is trapped in classical thinking and needs to quantize. You can be both Karl, you can be both.
My experience is that Americans are freedom loving and individualistic. Well, not all Americans. I used to live in Raleigh, North Carolina and Northern Virginia, DC suburbs and those people are phony conformists. But people in rural areas are mostly gun toting self-reliant unpretentious rugged individualists. Also people in Baltimore are mostly lawless but also unpretentious individualists, so not every city is like that. I’ve traveled extensively throughout Europe for business and pleasure. Germany is peak conformist. I don’t know what’s wrong with United Kingdom. I find Czechs to be pretty individualistic. Former Yugoslavians are individualistic. I spent a lot of time in Estonia and I don’t know, I guess Estonians are more individualistic than Western Europeans. Western Europeans are like little children. They act only with permission from their government. England is the worst. Americans really do view our government as our servants; British view themselves as serfs and cede their rights without a fight.
No this wasn't supposed to be based on heredity but is comparing the skulls of kids born in America to immigrant parents so it was supposed to be separate to biological inheritance (the theory as far as I know has been totally disproven)
@TheLivingPhilosophy There is some truth to it though. Just can't be scientifically measured/quantified. Im not from the US but i live here. One example, italians born here look like American Italians. Big perfect white teeth smiles. That's very "American" for sure. Its also the way americans talk through one side of their mouth and yes the food, the water, all that.
Many of my mostly European American friends claim native American heritage as well, and I'm probably not allowed to mention other cultural mixes, however they happened to, of course. So I think what you said originally could have some bearing on our physiology in comparison to our European counterparts.
I didn't hear about that. I read that he was wrong but didn't think he intentionally lied. But I didn't dive too deeply into that rabbit hole. Did he lie?
Aging is a problem that industry has a solution for. Mortality is a problem that religion has a solution to. Starvation is a problem the government has solved. Health is something offered to us by pharmaceuticals and surgery. Stories are given to is from movie producers. Culture is chow mein and enchiladas. Where we came from is a place that must be condemned and never returned to. And your future is already over due to the climate crisis. Patagonia is what looks "good". I see dead people.
I thought the idea of Indigeneity to a place was fascinating. In a 'multicultural' culture like America having groups who claim degrees of Indigeneity can be a problem if its put on a scale with first nations being most indigenous.. descendents of early colonialists possessing intermediary Indigeneity and new arrives having the least. What does that do to the equal value of citizenship. This question was brought up recently here in Australia in our referendum on an indigenous voice to parliament.. Because it turned out the vast majority of new citizens voted against it. What are you gonna do call them racist? Indigenous groups here actually admit a degree of Indigeneity to groups who have spent many generations on the land. So its also a perspective shared by them, that the land shapes the people.
Jung was racist because the collective opinion in the world was racist. Especially in the USA. European people thought that they were better and more civilized than any other culture. What is interesting is, that the skulls of people who immigrated to the US became more, as generations pass, like the skulls of the aboriginals that inhabited the country. Europeans think that the capitalism in the USA is so overwhelming that everything in society is corrupted by it. As a European, I am afraid of this kind of extreme capitalism, because it influences our society as well, and it turns the time back to the age, where we had this kind of capitalism. We all had this in Europe, and it was a disaster back then.
“Alcohol is used by millions of people, both men and women, and I will make no friends by taking the position that alcohol culture is not politically correct. Yet how can we explain the legal toleration for alcohol, the most destructive of all intoxicants, and the almost frenzied efforts to repress nearly all other drugs? Could it not be that we are willing to pay the terrible toll that alcohol extracts because it is allowing us to continue the repressive dominator style that keeps us all infantile and irresponsible participants in a dominator world characterized by the marketing of ungratified sexual fantasy? No other drug can compete with cannabis for its ability to satisfy the innate yearnings for Archaic boundary dissolution and yet leave intact the structures of ordinary society. If every alcoholic were a pothead, if every crack user were a pothead, if every smoker smoked only cannabis, the social consequences of the ‘drug problem’ would be transformed. Yet, as a society we are not ready to discuss the possibility of self-managed addictions and the possibility of intelligently choosing the plants we ally ourselves to. In time, and perhaps out of desperation, this will come. If the ego is not regularly and repeatedly dissolved in the unbounded hyperspace of the Transcendent Other, there will always be slow drift away from the sense of self as part of nature’s larger whole. The ultimate consequence of this drift is the fatal ennui that now permeates Western Civilization. I believe that the use of hallucinogenic mushrooms on the grasslands of Africa gave us the model for all religions to follow. And when, after long centuries of slow forgetting, migration, and climatic change, the knowledge of the mystery was finally lost, we in our anguish traded partnership for dominance, traded harmony with nature for rape of nature, traded poetry for the sophistry of science. In short, we traded our birthright as partners in the drama of the living mind of the planet for the broken pot shards of history, warfare, neurosis, and-if we do not quickly awaken to our predicament-planetary catastrophe. Our culture, self-toxified by the poisonous by-products of technology and egocentric ideology, is the unhappy inheritor of the dominator attitude that alteration of consciousness by the use of plants or substances is somehow wrong, onanistic, and perversely antisocial. I will argue that suppression of shamanic gnosis, with its reliance and insistence on ecstatic dissolution of the ego, has robbed us of life’s meaning and made us enemies of the planet, of ourselves, and our grandchildren. We are killing the planet in order to keep intact the wrongheaded assumptions of the ego-dominator cultural style. We have gone sick by following a path of untrammeled rationalism, male dominance, attention to the visible surface of things, practicality, bottom-line-ism. We have gone very, very sick. And the body politic, like any body, when it feels itself to be sick, it begins to produce antibodies, or strategies for overcoming the condition of dis-ease. And the 20th century is an enormous effort at self-healing. Phenomena as diverse as surrealism, body piercing, psychedelic drug use, sexual permissiveness, jazz, experimental dance, rave culture, tattooing, the list is endless. What do all these things have in common? They represent various styles of rejection of linear values. The society is trying to cure itself by an archaic revival, by a reversion to archaic values. So when I see people manifesting sexual ambiguity, or scarifying themselves, or showing a lot of flesh, or dancing to syncopated music, or getting loaded, or violating ordinary canons of sexual behavior, I applaud all of this; because it's an impulse to return to what is felt by the body -- what is authentic, what is archaic -- and when you tease apart these archaic impulses, at the very center of all these impulses is the desire to return to a world of magical empowerment of feeling. And at the center of that impulse is the shaman: stoned, intoxicated on plants, speaking with the spirit helpers, dancing in the moonlight, and vivifying and invoking a world of conscious, living mystery. That's what the world is. The world is not an unsolved problem for scientists or sociologists. The world is a living mystery: our birth, our death, our being in the moment -- these are mysteries. They are doorways opening on to unimaginable vistas of self-exploration, empowerment and hope for the human enterprise. And our culture has killed that, taken it away from us, made us consumers of shoddy products and shoddier ideals. We have to get away from that; and the way to get away from it is by a return to the authentic experience of the body -- and that means sexually empowering ourselves, and it means getting loaded, exploring the mind as a tool for personal and social transformation. The hour is late; the clock is ticking; we will be judged very harshly if we fumble the ball. We are the inheritors of millions and millions of years of successfully lived lives and successful adaptations to changing conditions in the natural world. Now the challenge passes to us, the living, that the yet-to-be-born may have a place to put their feet and a sky to walk under; and that's what the psychedelic experience is about, is caring for, empowering, and building a future that honors the past, honors the planet and honors the power of the human imagination. There is nothing as powerful, as capable of transforming itself and the planet, as the human imagination. Let's not sell it straight. Let's not whore ourselves to nitwit ideologies. Let's not give our control over to the least among us. Rather, you know, claim your place in the sun and go forward into the light. The tools are there; the path is known; you simply have to turn your back on a culture that has gone sterile and dead, and get with the program of a living world and a re-empowerment of the imagination. Feminism is a tremendously underestimated force, viewed in the present context primarily as a woman's concern. The understanding has not yet percolated throughout society that the advancement of women is a program vitally connected to the survival of human beings as a species. The reason for this is simply that institutions take on the character of the atoms which compose them, and what we are most menaced by in the twentieth century are dehumanized institutions. If women played a major role in policy formation and execution on the part of these institutions, I think they would have a far more benign and ecologically sensitive kind of character. So, I see feminism not as a kind of war between the sexes or any of these stereotypic images, but as actually a kind of effort to shift the ratios of our emphasis that is expressed through our institutions. What is needed is a spirit of boundary dissolution, between individuals, between classes, sexual orientations, rich and poor, man and woman, intellectual and feeling toned types. If this can happen, then we will make a new world. And if this doesn't happen, nature is fairly pitiless and has a place for us in the shale of this planet, where so many have preceded us. Terence McKenna
@websurfer5772 Decentralization leads to competition. Competition is better than monopoly. Centralized currency breeds irresponsibility. Decentralization in anything is marriage between power and responsibility. Technological advancement makes this possible if people decide if this is what they want.
First of all, I really do not think that even a brilliant depth Psychologist such as Jung could make anything but fringe judgements on American culture. Why? Because no such a place has ever existed in the history of the world. If anything, we’re are still in a cultural adolescent. Our brilliance as innovators will destroy the world or set the groundwork for true universal evolution.
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The Devil Energy: freedom, sex, desire, individualism, egoism, lust, envy, consumism, self-destruction. U$A is the most satanic nation of history and conquer the world. The leaders are the men in the secret room of the secret society, occultists.
I did enjoy it and like it, though I will have to mull over how much I accept. That idea of the land shaping its people as much as the reverse being so, is explored in the astonishing movie, Hostiles, which is one of the best westerns I’ve ever seen. I would love to know what a thinker like you makes of such an experience?
@@ashroskell Do you mean a thinker like Jung?
@@websurfer5772 : Not sure what you’re asking me? I am intrigued by Jung’s analysis; and there certainly is strong evidence that, “herd mentality,” prevails in America. And that strikes against the very self identification of Americana; the individualist culture. But it’s not something I’ve evaluated before.
As to the movie, I was referring to the maker of this video as, “a thinker,” since I am interested in a philosophical response to that film. Does that answer your question?
“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
*_Ah, yes... the "Elective Affinities". A perfect segway into a discussion on fait vs free will. Or perhaps, the next Calvin and Hobbes cartoon. One could ask, is America predestined for greatness, tyranny, or obliteration? And some would say all three... in that order! How long can Entropy be stayed? Or will it hold off for centuries, dare I say millennia, more? Rational inquiring minds would like to know._*
@@JohnnyAngel777 Damn. Savage.
they are freer than all the europoors.
1A is real and observed, 2A is real (though beleaguered), Civil Rights are real (though some say excessive), voting works the way it was intended - to solve problems, instead of as glorified opinion polls like in say Germany or Russia.
I love this quote.
@@JohnnyAngel777 It seems to me not many of these minds are found in the US. Hell, those actual brains might have to look up several of the terms you have used in your comment and probably still won't understand what they mean.
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
Which is fine. The problem comes when the poolry educated part of the working class believe the constitution guarantees them the right to say whatever they want WHEREVER they want. However, the constitution only guarantees the right to say whatever you want about the US government and the government cannot imprison you. Has NOTHING to do with having the right to say whatever you want in a private setting like a social media site owned by a business🙄 Why don’t those people get that. Is it about, “I just want to SAVE my country, so let me spew conspiracy theories to quell my anxiety”?
and keep your head
@@michaelepp6212
Down. 😂
In a letter to his wife Emma dated 1909 Albany NY in Appendix II to "Memories, Dreams Reflections", Jung writes "...everything is too big, too immeasurable. Men are as well off here as the culture permits; women badly off. We have seen things here that inspire enthusiastic admiration and things that make one ponder social evolution deeply. As far as technological culture is concerned, we lag miles behind America. But all that is frightfully costly and already carries the germ of the end in itself."
In Liber Novus, Jung calls this the 'spirit of the times' versus the 'spirit of the depths'.
Also this idea from Rumi - what we seek, is seeking us.
The America of this analysis by Jung has all but vanished, to the extent it was ever relevant at all. Anyone who works in our public schools can tell you that no one is raising our children to be any of those things mentioned at 8:19. The epoch of the internet as the dominant instructive presence in the minds of young Americans is firmly established. The unprecedented levels of materialism, neuroticism, and nihilism in society reflect that.
I guess we need a Soon Jung Two? 😉
Because we let it happen. With TV--the greatest invention in history--we sat back and left it to the commercial hucksters to pollute our minds and society. Along comes the Internet and RUclips platforms showing the way of the future for REAL education and we make the SAME stupid mistake. There's just no helping us. 95% of us will go down the usual route to moronity while a new class of human will conduct its own education. A two-tier society is already in the gestation. And about time!!
At the end of the day Jung is still a progressive (in the sense that he believes modernity is better than premodernity). Public schooling has _always_ been about creating worker bees. Even Marx said public education was one of the 10 planks of socialism in his manifesto. The 80s and 90s were not as nihilistic or neurotic as 2024, but they were definitely materialist. The French Revolution was “The End of History.” History since then has been about extending those rights and ideals to the rest of the world. Personally I think we should read Georges Bataille and Rene Girard to get in touch with how our ancestors lived instead of relying on caricatures of premodernity being oppressive and dark.
Good but missing an important - perhaps the most important - characteristic of today’s Americans.
They are very, deeply insecure - about themselves.
Right on. I see two-year-olds gawking at phones and other devices, their parents surrendering their duty to talk to their kids and consigning them to the like the inhuman techno-machine dominated by the Zuckermans of this world. There will be great strains introduced into millions of families because the kids won't be able to relate to the real world and the world of their parents and other human beings.
pause at 5:05. what jung is saying, in laymans terms, is; "the majority of people in america dont have a mind of their own. theyre a bunch of sheep" but he said that in a longer, more drawn out way, so as to not be as rude and untactful. even though it means literally the same thing.
Yup. It's a little condescending for sure. I think there's some truth in it but it's not like Europe is free from the same thing (as Jung got to witness up close within the decade of this 1931 article)
I'm from Germany, and hate, how we are trying to americanize everything in our culture and government ..
I agree, I don't get why the Germans are so wanting to be like America at the same time bitch about the US
Yes, keep Germany German
As an American, I find it sad that so many cultures end up appearing to be more American all over the world. I wish people could keep their cultures more intact. But you know, people with way more power and control than me actually want us all to end up the same in the end, which is only 5 years away.
Fight it.
@@lrdf4749 I do individually, however culturally American influence is still way too strong: we’re talking economics, globalization, military and multiculturalism.
Politically, the “BSW” party is the only party wich distances itself from US-influence, while the patriotic “AfD” basically copies American neoliberal economics: and both parties are a little too close to Moscow.
There are minor pro-German fringe parties like the III. Path, who are however fascist (and pretty dumb) unfortunately.
SSW is a Danish-Frisian interests party, who are politically more oriented towards the nordic model, and probably the best party out there.
Everything Jung praises is something in old America that no longer is present now. Yet all he says is a negative is amplified
The dominance of Big Media is to blame, IMHO. Hollywood especially switched to baser, cruder fare -- and so followed the hapless populace. Does any other land have such an insatiable desire to go slumming? Tell me if you've ever heard a friend laud, e.g., a TV series saying "Yeah, it kinda grossed me out at first. But I stuck with it and wound up liking it." All that means is they desensitized themselves, lowered their standards just to sit for those hours and be "entertained." Accuse them of this -- and they'll go ballistic, BTW.
Not necessarily. The so-called positive and negative aspects come together in a package. Besides America and East Asia, what other countries have the wealth and power to innovate? The issue is that technology and capitalism tend to assimilate authentic forms of expression. This is why Fight Club, the Matrix, Joker, and Nietzsche are so popular. Unfortunately reading Nietzsche is treated like reading “Rich Dad Poor Dad” or “The 4-Hour Workweek.” If you like Nietzsche, I encourage you to engage with the works of Georges Bataille and Rene Girard. Let’s learn about the rituals of our ancestors which techno-capitalism assimilated (like the T-1000).
All of the Zionist infrastructure to mould the American attitude and culture through the MSM, government propaganda, academia, entertainment and the fake political parties were already in control during the 1930’s just like today. Only difference is better technology including digital, CGI (as in 911 but much better now) green screen, CGI (NASA space station), (Musk giant rockets-Mars rover) AI.
What did Jung say that praised Americans in this video? The supposed positive thing he had to say was that we are "extremely optimistic" which I am certain he did not mean as a compliment.
Do you know of anything he's ever written elsewhere that actually really does praise Americans in any kind of way?
The power of Individualism is to destroy the whole system - Divide & Conquer (without vision of what Next)
What Jung said about the Heroic Ideal and how we (americans) will support and cheer on someone we see trying hard is true. There's a British competitive eater who often comes to the US to try different food competitions in various restaurants. He was surprised and embarrassed at first when Americans in the restaurants started loudly cheering him on at each challenge. He said when he does these restaurant challenges in England the patrons ignore him or rib him and say he won't win. Now he loves the US and has talked about his appreciation for the way Americans cheer each other on.
I'm American and I've lived, studied and taught overseas in Asia for a long time. It seems that locals resent success, even those of their friends. For me, this is strange. On the other hand, I appreciate my friends' achievements and congratulate them.
Very well analyzed. I agree completely. The algorithms are mere amplifiers of our own modular brain. The organism is a model of its environment. As someone trying to find the moderate line, I hope to get into these areas of analysis myself on my own channel too. Thanks for this excellent work!❤
Nice line on the organism being a model of its environment. Reminds me of McLuhans the medium is the message. Also love your channel name! Nicely oxymoronic
@ Yes. My background is in biology and so much of the emergent phenomena from our social interactions is representations of evolutionary psychology and the theory of evolution through natural selection. In nature, organisms represent their ecosystem and hence become a model of their environment. This we see in social network theory as well. My view of Radical moderation is deciding where’s the line is in opposing views. Love your channel by the way. Cheers!
@@RadicalModerationnice I like it
Did Jung refer to "Manifest destiny", "American exceptionalism", "City upon a hill"? Did he refer to the fact that the Natives Americans were subjected to genocide? Or the fact that people were kidnaped from Africa and converted into slaves?
Good questions.
Technically speaking, Africans weren’t kidnapped but sold by other Africans. I find it disingenuous when people glorify American slavery when slavery (along with prostitution) are the oldest occupations. This is not to disparage the suffering of African Americans, but simply to state facts. Africans as a continent was very unwilling to give up slavery as a cultural practice (in fact there are more slaves today than there were then. Overall I agree with your point.
@@brennancarter7721 Sadly, someone the other day wrote this under a different vid:
"There is straight up old timey slavery in Dubai, Yemen, Qatar,and Saudi Arabia." - 2024
@@brennancarter7721 Simple, self-justifying arguments are part of the problem. The Dunning-Kruger principle is a central factor dominating the illusion of manifest destiny.
@@luisbustamante9869 I agree, but given the contextual foundations of civilization it’s naive to ignore the fundamental reality that it is common place. There are more slaves today than there were then, and most of them are in the Middle East and Africa. That is partially due to the destabilization of these countries (by the west), but to ignore it a common place practice is silly. Look into the Trans-Saharan slave trade. It’s very interesting. I recommend Slavery and Social Death by Orlando Patterson, it’s an incredible book.
Im beginning to see the internet as a reflection of jungs collective unconsious
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yeah, all culture is
Wow. Jung really nailed it.
My theory is that young people are gravitating to anime because it represents the archetypes of the collective unconscious more than Western media. You cannot make an engaging movie about a Wall Street banker, so you have to tell the story of a “Wall Street banker that is also a criminal (like the outlaw in the Old West). That’s the Wolf of Wall Street”. But it’s still too modern. Dragon Ball, Death Note, Attack on Titan, Code Geass, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Vinland Saga, etc. In 1994 Mufasa was one of the Great Kings of Pride Rock and Scar was the usurper, now in 2024 Scar is the rightful king and Mufasa is the usurper.
@@aesop1451 spot on my friend from another universe,
Its like the west is losing the ability to stir the cauldron,
No matter how much they spend.
And i reckon thats their weakness there to much
Brilliant post man. I screenshotted it, it gave me something to think about.
When does individualism become selfishness?
When you're insulting people up and down out loud. 😆
Immediately at the point of hoarding.
I always thought Russians and Americans are alike, especially after my last visit to the US in 2018, now I absolutely have no doubt it’s true. Everything Jung described is valid for Russians as well. That’s why I didn’t really like US and moved to New Zealand LOL.
Fair enough. Is NZ better for you?
@@woderick9465 Thanks. That helps me understand a little better.
I am from New Zealand - Opotiki.
You moved into a fascist state.
@@boost4774 Which state is not fascist then?
The audacity of RUclips to give me a “Keeping Up With The Kardashians” ad…
13:22 it's not racism it's tribalism the mother ism of all other isms which is just a preference for one's own in-group because there was a time when stranger danger had a reason for being. It is hardwired into us and no one is exempt it is simply a part of the human condition but one that's easily mitigated through self-awareness and a small bit of effort and if you can't accommodate that then you're not worth your salt
Racial tribalism is disintegrating before my eyes. About time. Relax, Europe, we got this.
Genuine questions, do you think it's possible to be tribal but not have stranger danger? And do you think there are not some legitimate dangers within some tribes? Seems like you are throwing the baby out with the bath water but I dunno, that's why I'm asking.
Germans were tribal. Amerika now is multi-tribal. “Polarized doesn’t get it. It is still very geographical . The Red States are the Whitest States.
@@garyhynes any sane culture would be careful and considered about what elements they want to introduce to their culture, because it will eventually change its constitution. Post war Western Democracies have been very influenced by the likes of Karl Popper and his open society neveragainism and hasn't thought much through.
@@garyhynes it's not something that people try to do is a universal human trait that has always been with us and likely always will be.
Multiculturalism is always difficult and not really natural but when you compare Western societies today with Humane Societies over millions of years because we're not the only bipedal hominids who had the coexist with others that were similar but different enough to bring up our tribal nature we're actually crushing it I think.
After all we are a social species but not because we like being social as I believe the opposite is true butt out of necessity because we're just so goddamn useless without each other that you wouldn't have lasted a single day in the world your ancestors evolved into without the cooperation of others and that is another way that we're hard-wired and this is what brings you the herd mentality the go along to get along but don't make waves mindset that brings you things like cancel culture and Nazis because being rejected by The Herd was traditionally a death sentence. Our claim to fame our key to success that we owe our very existence too that allowed us to conquer the whole planet in less than 50,000 years after first walking out of Africa and ironically enough might be the very thing that ends up destroying us.
Thanks!
Welcome back man. Hope all is well. Thinking about philosophy and sich can push you towards solitude. But we are here for you man.
Always good to see you dude. Take care.
It's weird, people are expected to apologize for what C.G. Jung, or our Founding Fathers, or other great men said hundreds of years ago. They were brilliant, but their fault was they were not politically correct...😂
For me, it's more about recognising that they are human. What grinds my gears is seeing humans elevated to godlike status. I don't think they should be trashed for being people of their time but also I think we shouldn't idolise flawed humans as perfect paragons we could only dream of imitating. Put away the pitchforks _and_ the altars I say
@@TheLivingPhilosophy That sounds reasonable to me.
I'm just astounded that I've never heard anything like this about Jung before. I wonder why that is. Nothing like the info in this video was ever in our textbooks because I'm sure I would have thought differently about Jung decades ago if I'd read any of his actual articles or books.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Viewing historical figures through the lens of modern day politics is a logical fallacy. Try to understand them in context. It's called Exegesis.
@@websurfer5772 I was surprised as well but it's been a big deal in Jungian circles for a while. There was a whole public letter about it (but then unpublished) a few years back. It all goes back to the late 80s and Dalal's article (the most downloaded article from the British Journal of Psychotherapy)
@@TheLivingPhilosophy That's fascinating. Thank you for this info. 🌟
Two ads during a thirteen minute video? Watch out European, you’re slipping into the American ideal.
We are the money whores of the world, agreed
YT IS NOT EUROPEAN
@@liamoconlocha3264they are referring to the content creator.
I have YT premium, so no ads through the entire video or before or after. The peace of mind of not watching any advertising anywhere, ever, is so worth the few bucks a month. I don't watch TV either. People talk about a certain ad that is pervasive and I just laugh as I have never had to see it. I believe it helps to short circuit the consumerism mentality. But I am actually a paying YT consumer, so either way the capitalists are winning.
What a delight to see you reappear on my horizon
As an American whose ancestry here goes back to Boston and Virginia of the 1600s, I never bought into Jung's ideas here, including Erich Fromm's variant (Fromm was a student of Jung). Our culture was shaped by the free-market culture of the 'adventurers' of the 1500s & 1600s and Puritanism, and later the Enlightenment. It is the conflict between the Enlightenment on the one hand, and the previous history of Puritanism and the legacy of the adventurers that gives rise to the contradictions in the American nature. Then there are the sub-cultures of the different regions, with what the settlers and later immigrants brought to each one. Alexis de Tocqueville provides insights in his "Democracy in America," but even his observations seem off a bit.
Thank you for this well-written account about the history of my country - USA!! ❤🤍💙
America: If the Puer Aetenrus was a nation...
😂😂😂 soooo immature
Very well made video 🤗 keep going these are great
Thank you 🙏
Born in Ireland. Lived the second half of my life in the states. American individualism, similar to my Irish Catholic upbringing is not immune to social norms. I wonder what Jung would say about the enmeshment of Irish families. Perhaps he might change his outlook relative to differentiation of self
I've noticed glimmers of change within my own family. You see it even in what people wear to funerals, the changing of colors, but it's deeper than that, there's an understanding that they are trapped, but as anyone who has made changes knows it's no easy task at all to break from the herd mentality. It requires being alone and reassessing your entire self image. Surely the evolution is slowly taking place at some level. When we do the work ourselves and give it time, you begin to see that they see that you see something greater than enmeshment.
@closki226, What are you babbling about? American "individualism" similar to your "Irish Catholic" upbringing not immune to "social norms?" You sound like something from Soc. 101. America was founded by a small number of "people" whose supposed flight from "religious persecution" was "seriously" because the Protestant new (who was promoting the picture) "christianity" was not punishing "Catholics" enough. These same "pilgrims" within 18 months of landing on "Plymouth Rock decided it was best to murder the natives who had befriended them. They did the act in a very treacherous way, You can not attempt to see the world from one or even two text books. You need historical facts. And facts have a meaning. Facts are not to "justify" or to "condemn." Facts are to show an accurate "map." what people make of a map depends on their "conditioning." But make no mistake all humans are "conditioned." That is why you live in a prison and you "believe" it's a garden.
I'm an American. I'll admit I've called my homeland the 'United States of Absurdity' on several occasions. The American dream is to just not be quite as looney as the girl next door. So far I'm winning. 😮
Like Charlie Sheen winning, Bruce Jenner winning? .....lol
hi neighbor
@@intellectually_lazy OMG I wish you were my neighbor.
Jung is not entirely wrong. Take any movie with Eddie Murphy, Kevin Hart, or Chris Rock and imagine Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler, or Will Ferrell doing those roles. Here’s another thought experiment: I like pre-2009 Eminem’s music, but Eminem, Mac Miller, and Post Malone definitely feel different than Tupac, Ice Cube, and Nas.
@@intellectually_lazylove your late night diddy parties dude
Having lived abroad as a highly visible minority for a very long time, I am no longer convinced that "racism bad" is a foregone conclusion.
Jung's racism, hmm, I grew up in the 60s in Germany and I posit that there was plenty of racism and discrimination to go around, not because we were deliberately and consciously looking down on people with a different appearance, but because that was the "Zeitgeist", if you will, and/or how we grew up/were taught. When I was in my late teens and, not knowing what to do after highschool, joined the police my backwards views on e.g. homosexuality and foreigners (purely based on fear of the unknown) were strengthened rather than being evolved. It was only when I enrolled at university at the end of the 80s I got my first real education in equality and humanity on a larger scale.
I think this touches on what we now call cancel culture, i.e. judging history by modern day standards. Well, you can't. Cause if you were to do that you would have to condemn the Italians for being descendants of the Romans who were, yes, advancing civilization and early technology, but factually did so by raping, pillaging and murdering their way through Europe. I am sure one can find numerous other examples. And I am sure there were lots of great men and women throughout history like Jung who made crucial contributions to society and helped shape it the way it is now and who weren't exactly "squeaky clean" regarding their opinions seen from our point of view. What is strange, however, that nowadays we are far more capable personally and by way of technology to see and recognize people doing wrong and/or bad things, but still stand idly by and let it happen. So I have a hard time judging people's behaviour from more than a century ago.
Nice Jazz you got playing in the background.
bro : maybe the internal american economy
will just do anything; for cash
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it's marketing companies buying time
with rich white american generational wealth
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"A white hot haze of frozen tinsel flux condascending to an unwilling world's waiting through technicolor static."
~ Socratus Americanus
(in "Owl Among the Ruins")
Stars ever tumble
While stripes never fade
In the land of the fleeced
And home of the blade.
Touche! You're a poet, and you know it
thing is jung was smart. dont expect other people to jump on board so quickly. "eerrr, whatdya mean?! were freeeee... i get redbull and BEEER mixed tugheeether! hic hic!"
Must be our air, soil and influences from other cultures.
It's not at all unusual in anthropological literature of yesteryear for writers to refer to other races and peoples as primitives. It can, of course, imply a certain colonialist arrogance, but I hardly think that Jung's use of the term (and similar ones) marks him as racist. After all, he attributes wonderful skills, including psychological and spiritual ability, to the people to whom he attaches the label of primitive. In my opinion, Jung didn't see any other races as inferior to his own. But let's not forget that many lifestyles around the world in Jung's day were indeed far more primitive than Jung's own. This is true in the sense that these lifestyles lack (and often still lack) the modern accoutrements of technological culture. I hardly think Jung would use this fact to deduce that any other peoples are inherently primitive. All in all, then, I don't think it's fair to call Jung a racist just because he uses a word that we hyper-modern people denounce.
I would have agreed with you before digging into it but going down the rabbit hole it's changed the way I viewed Jung's talk of primitives. I think my charitable interpretations led me to overlook it. More on this in the next video of course but this quote is a good example:
"In the collective unconscious you are the same as a man of another race, you have the same archetypes, just as you have, like him, eyes, a heart, a liver, and so on. It does not matter that his skin is black. It matters to a certain extent, sure enough - he probably has a whole historical layer less than you. The different strata of the mind correspond to the history of the races." (‘Tavistock Lectures II’. CW 18 (1935))
Once you read a few of these quotes you begin to get the full picture of Jung's attitude towards races and it's less of a primitive philosopher than it is primitive savage in his eyes
Children are primitive. It's understood to be a relative term. Pre industrial cultures are primative. Most Adults can understand this. Facts prevail despite overheated pretzel logic. The language police will fail, sanity is rebounding day by day. Disclaimers applied to routine meanings and understandings are withering on stony rocks of euromarxism.
@@larryzink8978 so I think you're missing the point here. If we're talking about pre-industrial cultures then okay but Jung's not just talking about them. That fits with Hegelian/Maxist/Metamodern dialectics of cultural complexity. But Jung is talking about non-Europeans in industrialised nations. That's different. You might still side with Jung but just thought I'd clarify what the scope of the discussion is here
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Thanks for the reply. It may be that I tend to agree with Jung rather than with the people who declare that all races are equal in all respects. (It depends on the criteria of course, and in terms of the criterion of political equality, we should all be treated alike.) But how do you explain the obvious superiority of some races in some pursuits? Look at the black athletes who reach numbers out of proportion to whites in the NFL. Such numbers make an obvious case for the notion of basic differences in the races. My point may appear to be the opposite of Jung's (I'm citing superiority among black athletes), but the point is that Jung was not wrong, perhaps, in calling attention to the different developmental stages of various races. This is dicey territory: I'm not saying that a great black quarterback is necessarily stupid in any other pursuit. But it seems obvious that as a whole, there is something to the notion that different races have reached varying levels of development in certain regards. I'm totally white, of British/Irish stock, and I have no problem acceding to the idea that my inability to reach the NFL has something to do with my ancestry (going back many, many generations).
@@harrydeanbrown6166 I can see your point but consider the difference between what you are saying and what Jung is saying. Your point: certain groups of people have marginal advantages in certain domains which at a population level leads to statistically significant differences. You are talking about minor differences. Consider Jung's point: non-Europeans are lacking whole historical layers in comparison; we can't expect a father to not murder his child since his consciousness isn't differentiated. You are talking about one human race with genetic variations among groups; Jung is talking about races which have a hierarchy in which one ("primitive" non-Europeans) has no impulse control and is childlike and prehistoric in comparison to the other (European). I know the point you're trying to emphasise: humans aren't homogenous - there are differences among groups. But I don't think you should be too hasty in throwing your lot in with Jung even if I can agree with your distaste towards a "humans are all the same in all situations everywhere" sort of narrative
if the goths are not nonconforming then that means it's impossible to not conform but it's clear we do make our groups and communities.
it's not about the uniform its about what it says and why you wear it
also the bravest people from all around the world came here
😂😂😂
The kind of people that fall for Tupperware pyramid schemes, yes. The bravest, no.
@@africanzungu7350 Actually, I believe it was the promise of freedom that brought people to America. But how could it ever be a free country when the original inhabitants were treated so cruelly and horribly by the newcomers?
@@websurfer5772 literally what Im saying.
@@africanzungu7350 The last 50 years has been a attack on the education system but those people are not stupid they did whatever scheme they picked because in there financial situation there was no way out and when there is no way out people look for hope even if it is false.
Those people who do those schemes hire salesman with years of exp and most of them are fking psychopaths.
“Just” amplifiers are pushing us ever farther out of yet another temporary equilibrium, preventing us from coming to grips with the new speed of onslaught and developing some semblance of coping mechanism.
Been with your channel since the start and very glad to see it has grown so big. We used to chat on Reddit, in fact, and I once moderated the CasualPhilosophy sub where I pinned your channel.
Great to see your name here again Tim it brings me back to the early days!
@@TheLivingPhilosophyAre you still active there, or perhaps on BlueSky or Instagram? I do miss our chats, and have finished my book of philosophy maxims. I’ve deleted my old Reddit account but have a new one now.
@@TimBitten not really active on any of them to be honest! Still have my reddit and instagram. I did try and setup bluesky but there was some faff so I bailed. Congratulations on finishing the book!
liked the background music :3
Thanks for the feedback 🙏
At last a music to cover a video like and art well done my friend
Without justice there will be no peace because without struggle there is no justice 🇵🇸
You cannot oppress a people and expect them to just take it because those who believe in freedom will not rest until it comes 🇾🇪
Addiction to Internet is the final Archetype for the human species.
Robots and Zombies merge into Zombots 🎉
Brilliant!
In many Native American societies, each man had to be persuaded to go to war, and there was no stigma if he refused: one example of the now-American adoption of an ideal/delusion of "total freedom" (that certainly didn't come from Europe). Another is love for/worship of Nature, its powers and beauties and mysteries---but Americans now also love "developing" Nature until they destroy it (like good colonialists) and they do not care, even while destroying their own home. Between these two forces the society is heading straight over a cliff. They don't care about that, either.
A 2 party system contributes to this. Detoqurville said something similar once there's a consensus then speech is silenced more than a monarch 👑 could.
This thumbnail is very cool by the way.
So since I listened to this yesterday, I've seen two different Jung quotes on other people's videos and I appreciated them. I'm not saying that after I watched this I'm going to completely hate and shun Jung. I can still very much appreciate much of what he came up with. I just see him differently now and I don't hold him in as high esteem as I did before, but I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We don't have to look at things as black or white; we can see choose to see them as multi-colored.
I would have appreciated knowing the truth about him when I was first introduced to him. Well, I believe you should take what works for you and leave the rest.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
A Great work! Thanks
Jung was essentially regurgitating what DeToqueville said in "Democracy in America."
We can be grateful and acknowledge all Jung's done while being realistic that no one is without flaws. One does not invalidate the other and it's proper academia. His American observations are timelessly accurate and it is valuable information to include the darker shades of his thought palate.
How can I watch the first suggested video at the end? It doesn't appear to be a live link. I've seen the philosopher one, and I don't believe I've seen the other, nor can I find it.
Thank you for all your hard work and integrity!! 🙏☺
Thank you kindly. The video on Jung’s racism should be up in 2 weeks time so I’m going to add that link after the fact (bit of a weird way of doing it but seeing as it’s the next video I thought it made sense for longer term)
@@TheLivingPhilosophy That makes a lot of sense and I don't think it's weird at all, thank you very much for the clarification! I ought to have deduced it but I didn't want to assume 😅I'm a huge fan and am immensely grateful to you and your work- I geeked out you responded! 🤓Thank you sir!
@@TheLivingPhilosophythis’s good because as an American, I’ve never heard anything about racism. What’s “race,” anyway? Is there a possibility you could do something about the Holocaust, we don’t hear much about it and yet memorials and museums are everywhere for it.
@@TheLivingPhilosophydidn't you do something on Jung's 'racism' before? I think it was regarding his early idea that there are different collective psyches and how he saw his psychology as particularly addressing the 'Germanic'.... as opposed to Freud and others.
I must admit i really dislike the term racism and prefer the term ethnocentrisism. When you look at the contemporary meaning of 'racism' you yet the feeling that only one group is guilty of it, yet over 70% of the world is deeply ethnocentric. I suppose it's current usage is another marvelous American invention, rooted as it is in collective power politics.
@@ninacornejo5577 haha that's awesome! Well I hope you'll enjoy the one in a couple of weeks and perhaps I shall see you in the comments section there 🫡
I loved many things about your video... Mostly this The word Hero has hounded me all my life. I have pulled people out of not 1, but 2 burning vehicles as a group of other heroic Americans looked on. It was never heroic, but much more Golden rule, as I wished someone may help me if ever needed. Pre cell phone I was never thanked or admired, not even by my wife who screamed " YOU HAVE CHILDREN! as I ran in. It's so interesting to examine oneself later in life...... Name one real Hero. What does that even mean? My guess is the most heroic acts ever were by women for their children and never shared or known.
This is an amazing video.
IMO, Orwell hit the nail on the head in a more stark way.
"The 21st century is a monoculture of freedom". Subbed after hearing that line. 👏👏👏.
carl jung!
great vid!
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This video is on point!!! Thank you!!!!
Another interesting video essay. Something very curious happens consistently when mentioning the potential outdated and problematic views of historical figures of note. A contingent of any audience will make an entreaty to view the historical figure with depth and nuance, despite the problematic views, which often comes across as patronising and insidious in its own way. I say that because if you have any insight and stake into a matter such as race and racism, you're probably already well-equipped to understand nuance, but the subtext from such comments is a contemporary normalisation and rationalization of such views.
The language gets corrupted in collectivity. An example is ad's lately that are calling thousands of the same exact product. a 'unique' gift.
Europeans who came here had to be tough, adventurous, and heroic to survive. It was a big country with many challenges to overcome to make it a nation. It has welcomed all peoples, all cultures, and all religions and is considered the melting pot of the world. Its idealism, success, and optimism has been legendary. We're not perfect, but no country is; but we are growing and evolving and trying to correct our mistakes and get better all the time.
The only freedom in Amerika is the freedom to conform, and the definition of Amerikan individualism is, "I couldn't give a shit about anybody except myself."
Yikes, what a self-absorbed take. Projecting much?
@@jasonshriver1587 prove me wrong.
@@francomartini4328 I can't. And I'm American.
It's nice to see and hear a real narrator. I'm tired from too many AI voices.
I remember reading this in Colorado in 1984. It became my loadstar. It's so damn true.
Racetheories existed Prior to the current one, where white people take all the blame. Primitive then did not mean minor or less valuable, but closer to original tribal roots including its view of Nature, Gods and People. I understand that Japanese who immigrated to Brasil years ago, no longer behave typically japanese. Its quite astonishing to learn how much the environment shapes people.
Más na verdade, ficou difícil de entender o que você 🫵 quis dizer com essa história 🤔 acho que você poderia ser mais claro ou alguém que realmente entendeu tudo, poderia me explicar. Obrigado.
Im recent years, I've become more partial to Jacques Lacan than Carl Jung, as far as their respective continuation of Freudian psychoanalysis. Yet, I certainly haven't dismissed his insights entirely both within and without psychology.
His insight onto the contradictions and what I call our "cult of the individual" here in America has held up pretty well, as this only accelerated in the 70's. We definitely took it way too far, so worried about "defeating socialism" as many would have it, that we have all but destroyed any sense of the social and the sense of community & cohesion that comes with that.
I do a little head & eye twitch everytime I hear or see some other American, be they a journalist or a random social media user, complain about young people these days being selfish, coddled brats that think they are so important and want to be "influencers", as if they did not have a huge role in this culture of narcissistic self-absorption that plagues us.
Very interesting video, I learned a lot and I appreciate your breakdown on Jung’s questionable statements on race. Jung seems to have a cult following, people either love him or hate him.
I offer my two cents to encourage you to question the notion that both American political parties are equally bad. Maybe that’s not what you meant to convey but I’ll address point anyway.
You say the claim that democracy is in trouble is overblown and I think that’s just factually incorrect. I’m not here to argue that you or anyone else should fall in line with every Democrat talking point just because they say “democracy is in danger.” But it’s undeniable that the MAGA wing of American politics actively has attempted to undermine the will of the people. This became clear as day after Jan 6th and I encourage you to read about it.
Of course I think there are plenty of criticisms of democrats for using the “democracy is dying” slogan. But there is legitimate truth underlying the claim and I don’t think simply ignoring it because of Jung’s 80 year old quip about culture is the right thing to do.
Good job❤
This/Your Channel is brummagem.
Forever lies, forever lies, do you really want to live forever? In foreverliesland?
How is showing exactly what Jung wrote a lie?
@@websurfer5772 im referring to the empire of lies.
Why the musac??
Jung's racism was not something specific about him, the majority of people were racist back then, before the civil rights movements, It is sad that back in the time he couldn't see the truth as the way we see it today, the social behaviors are not biological.
I believe that labelling that quote as 'racist,' is stretching it too far. If what Jung said about living among primitive African cultures is such, then everyone trying to assimilate to any nation they immigrate to is racist. It's common sense to espouse the mores and language of the land you live in, otherwise you couldn't say you live there. The opposite attitude to what Jung describes would more accurately be defined as self-segregation and isolation.
True to an extent but as we'll be looking at in the next video he had opportunities (people he respected and people in his circle) who contradicted him but he didn't take them up. So a man of his times for sure but it doesn't let him totally off the hook. Not _everyone_ was racist back then
Is being anti-American even considered to be racism?
@@websurfer5772 I meant the negative language he used with black people, not his views on Americans.
@@Notamusicianbut Okay. I agree with that.
Idk if algorithms amplify what’s particularly American. Is it ignorant of me to hypothesize instead that it amplifies our innately worst natures because it exploits them, like bias, hate, and anger. Ways of provoking our loyalty to the feed. What’s more, even the more pure aspects of our nature are preyed upon-like our need for acceptance and belonging. I think the attention economy demands that tech corporations get theirs no matter how and the prevailing systems with their algorithms are designed to only serve that. Now imagine how different it might be if the powerful engine of our digital world was in service to something else? Idk. I think it’d be different for sure. The grass is always greener but in this case I think if there was any sense of genuineness our collective experience with technology would improve.
Before this I would have shared your perspective and in the video I was more playing with the alternative. Since America set the culture of the online space it makes sense that their particular accents of the universals would show up right? I'm still not sure to what extent though...
@@TheLivingPhilosophy I don't know, but I'm glad the algorithm brought your channel to my feed.
America is not just the US.
Need the video of Jung's remarks on racism.
Why?
@websurfer5772 just curious
@@markleviticuscale9202 Fair enough. He says it's coming soon and I am curious now too.
Good point but the music is distracting ❤
Appreciate the feedback
Where else would you like to live?
Ninety four percent of the chinese are happy with the people's government.
Tell me about your country.
I see a parallel with heroic ideal with individualistic great man theory which is ahistorical in historiography.
Wait a minute. Individual Americans are inexorably swept along by herd mentality? That is laughably incorrect and, to be frank, callow.
The US is 2000 miles across, plus two unconnected states. She houses an astonishing variety of lifestyles, internally created and drawn from literally every country on Earth. If French speaking Cajuns in Louisiana are in sync with Kansas Mennonites and the people of San Fransisco's China Town, it is because as Americans they can be what they please, as much or as little as they please. That they do, obviously.
When Americans choose to pull in the same direction it is willingly and to further the authority of the individual over himself. Is that scares poor old Carl, then he is invited to hide under his bed.
I've read four or five of Jung's books in translation and couple more about him. Smart fellow. Nobody's perfect.
The country always move in the same direction according to the same trend for awhile, then the previous trend is forgotten for the new one. It's quite obvious to see and hard to unsee when it's seen. Why do you think there are only two political parties? Most places have more than two because people are diverse and don't follow leaders in the same way. Why is there only one language that completely dominate? Why one day everybody is doing cars, then learn to code, then learn to prompt, become influencers? the media cycles tell people what to think about. But the biggest constant one is everybody wanting to be an individual everybody wanting to be the best and clubber the competition. The actual diversity is skin deep.
@@OneLine122 There are more than two parties.
Your difference of view exemplifies my point. Thanks.
Wrong😅
A note on Jung’s racism I always try to underline:
Jung completely misses MAJOR historical-anthropological realities about the African-American population and their culture, which is that of the African-American adoption and then retention (when most white populations had abandoned them in one form or another), of Scotts-Irish and otherwise British culture, customs, attitudes and speech patterns.
THIS is the origin of the behaviors and mindsets Jung underlines as Americans adopting from African-Americans- so in reality the inverse of Jung’s criticism is what has happened.
(Queue the tension between and dislike of African-Americans and their culture by recent African immigrants)
I’ve seen this best underlined in a very easily accessible and digestible way through Thomas Sowell’s work, but its generally pretty common knowledge among people who study or are otherwise interested in the history, anthropology and linguistics of America.
For a short taste of this, Sowell has a video titled: 'Black Rednecks: The Origin of the Black Southerners | Thomas Sowell' that is worth a listen.
Sowell's take on Black Rednecks is definitely worth a listen. I'm seeing a pattern. Their culture keeps tracing back to western and southern Britain. That's fascinating to me. Apparently it's not that way much at all in Britain anymore though.
But I thought he said Scots-Irish earlier in the video and that's northern Britain. Those are my people but I don't know much about them or how they are because I just received my papers from my adoption at age 55 and it turns out I come from Scots-Irish on both sides, but I was put in a home of a very different culture as a baby. I do know Scots-Irish settled in the South in the US though. Then both sides of my bio-relatives moved out West from there.
Scots-Irish also brought us rock-n-roll. Probably because we're Celtic. I definitely have that in my blood. And that can go with a certain kind of outlook and lifestyle for sure that Jung would frown upon.
Great post.
I think Dos Passos had these insights first, but Jung's take is still valuable.
Whoa whoa, whoa…boundless publicity, lack of distance between us and popularity…Mr. Jung you have my heart ❤️
Nothing please me more than the perplexed look Europeans give me when tell them I’m trapped in the absolute unbridled potential of the unconstrained mob and I feel free as a bird 🦅 💅
Maybe that viewpoint is trapped in classical thinking and needs to quantize. You can be both Karl, you can be both.
We had the celts talking of such noveltys as civilisation , when in fact they were walking into their own chains.
I’m an American and this does not match my experience. Maybe get out of the cities.
What is your experience?
Following. As a fellow American I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.
My experience is that Americans are freedom loving and individualistic. Well, not all Americans. I used to live in Raleigh, North Carolina and Northern Virginia, DC suburbs and those people are phony conformists. But people in rural areas are mostly gun toting self-reliant unpretentious rugged individualists. Also people in Baltimore are mostly lawless but also unpretentious individualists, so not every city is like that. I’ve traveled extensively throughout Europe for business and pleasure. Germany is peak conformist. I don’t know what’s wrong with United Kingdom. I find Czechs to be pretty individualistic. Former Yugoslavians are individualistic. I spent a lot of time in Estonia and I don’t know, I guess Estonians are more individualistic than Western Europeans. Western Europeans are like little children. They act only with permission from their government. England is the worst. Americans really do view our government as our servants; British view themselves as serfs and cede their rights without a fight.
@@Maryland_Kulak Thank you for your synopsis on that. It's interesting.
Maybe you have to look at people in reference of the time they lived in. And by facts alone, time proofed him right.
btw : very informative video .
10:17 playing devil's advocate here, maybe they interbred with the natives which resulted in the offsprings having native American shaped skulls 🤷
No this wasn't supposed to be based on heredity but is comparing the skulls of kids born in America to immigrant parents so it was supposed to be separate to biological inheritance (the theory as far as I know has been totally disproven)
@TheLivingPhilosophy There is some truth to it though. Just can't be scientifically measured/quantified. Im not from the US but i live here. One example, italians born here look like American Italians. Big perfect white teeth smiles. That's very "American" for sure. Its also the way americans talk through one side of their mouth and yes the food, the water, all that.
@@zardoz7900 haha interesting. I guess whatever that is is what set off the line of inquiry in the first place. Something peculiar showing up
Many of my mostly European American friends claim native American heritage as well, and I'm probably not allowed to mention other cultural mixes, however they happened to, of course. So I think what you said originally could have some bearing on our physiology in comparison to our European counterparts.
@websurfer5772 and euros mixed before discovering America.
Brilliant
Didn’t Boaz lie about the skulls…?
I didn't hear about that. I read that he was wrong but didn't think he intentionally lied. But I didn't dive too deeply into that rabbit hole. Did he lie?
@ I saw something on it not too long ago but I can’t remember the video.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC137471/
Here is a link to the study.
@@TheLivingPhilosophy He probably did. Margaret Mead was also caught making stuff up.
Aging is a problem that industry has a solution for. Mortality is a problem that religion has a solution to. Starvation is a problem the government has solved. Health is something offered to us by pharmaceuticals and surgery. Stories are given to is from movie producers. Culture is chow mein and enchiladas. Where we came from is a place that must be condemned and never returned to. And your future is already over due to the climate crisis. Patagonia is what looks "good". I see dead people.
So interesting, what a genius Jung was!
Compare to "the Illusion of Privacy".
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I thought the idea of Indigeneity to a place was fascinating. In a 'multicultural' culture like America having groups who claim degrees of Indigeneity can be a problem if its put on a scale with first nations being most indigenous.. descendents of early colonialists possessing intermediary Indigeneity and new arrives having the least. What does that do to the equal value of citizenship. This question was brought up recently here in Australia in our referendum on an indigenous voice to parliament.. Because it turned out the vast majority of new citizens voted against it. What are you gonna do call them racist?
Indigenous groups here actually admit a degree of Indigeneity to groups who have spent many generations on the land. So its also a perspective shared by them, that the land shapes the people.
Jung was racist because the collective opinion in the world was racist. Especially in the USA. European people thought that they were better and more civilized than any other culture. What is interesting is, that the skulls of people who immigrated to the US became more, as generations pass, like the skulls of the aboriginals that inhabited the country. Europeans think that the capitalism in the USA is so overwhelming that everything in society is corrupted by it. As a European, I am afraid of this kind of extreme capitalism, because it influences our society as well, and it turns the time back to the age, where we had this kind of capitalism. We all had this in Europe, and it was a disaster back then.
Eat THAT, de Tocqueville!
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Only freedom of mind constitute you freedom.
“Alcohol is used by millions of people, both men and women, and I will make no friends by taking the position that alcohol culture is not politically correct. Yet how can we explain the legal toleration for alcohol, the most destructive of all intoxicants, and the almost frenzied efforts to repress nearly all other drugs? Could it not be that we are willing to pay the terrible toll that alcohol extracts because it is allowing us to continue the repressive dominator style that keeps us all infantile and irresponsible participants in a dominator world characterized by the marketing of ungratified sexual fantasy?
No other drug can compete with cannabis for its ability to satisfy the innate yearnings for Archaic boundary dissolution and yet leave intact the structures of ordinary society. If every alcoholic were a pothead, if every crack user were a pothead, if every smoker smoked only cannabis, the social consequences of the ‘drug problem’ would be transformed. Yet, as a society we are not ready to discuss the possibility of self-managed addictions and the possibility of intelligently choosing the plants we ally ourselves to. In time, and perhaps out of desperation, this will come.
If the ego is not regularly and repeatedly dissolved in the unbounded hyperspace of the Transcendent Other, there will always be slow drift away from the sense of self as part of nature’s larger whole. The ultimate consequence of this drift is the fatal ennui that now permeates Western Civilization.
I believe that the use of hallucinogenic mushrooms on the grasslands of Africa gave us the model for all religions to follow. And when, after long centuries of slow forgetting, migration, and climatic change, the knowledge of the mystery was finally lost, we in our anguish traded partnership for dominance, traded harmony with nature for rape of nature, traded poetry for the sophistry of science. In short, we traded our birthright as partners in the drama of the living mind of the planet for the broken pot shards of history, warfare, neurosis, and-if we do not quickly awaken to our predicament-planetary catastrophe.
Our culture, self-toxified by the poisonous by-products of technology and egocentric ideology, is the unhappy inheritor of the dominator attitude that alteration of consciousness by the use of plants or substances is somehow wrong, onanistic, and perversely antisocial. I will argue that suppression of shamanic gnosis, with its reliance and insistence on ecstatic dissolution of the ego, has robbed us of life’s meaning and made us enemies of the planet, of ourselves, and our grandchildren. We are killing the planet in order to keep intact the wrongheaded assumptions of the ego-dominator cultural style.
We have gone sick by following a path of untrammeled rationalism, male dominance, attention to the visible surface of things, practicality, bottom-line-ism. We have gone very, very sick. And the body politic, like any body, when it feels itself to be sick, it begins to produce antibodies, or strategies for overcoming the condition of dis-ease. And the 20th century is an enormous effort at self-healing. Phenomena as diverse as surrealism, body piercing, psychedelic drug use, sexual permissiveness, jazz, experimental dance, rave culture, tattooing, the list is endless.
What do all these things have in common? They represent various styles of rejection of linear values. The society is trying to cure itself by an archaic revival, by a reversion to archaic values. So when I see people manifesting sexual ambiguity, or scarifying themselves, or showing a lot of flesh, or dancing to syncopated music, or getting loaded, or violating ordinary canons of sexual behavior, I applaud all of this; because it's an impulse to return to what is felt by the body -- what is authentic, what is archaic -- and when you tease apart these archaic impulses, at the very center of all these impulses is the desire to return to a world of magical empowerment of feeling.
And at the center of that impulse is the shaman: stoned, intoxicated on plants, speaking with the spirit helpers, dancing in the moonlight, and vivifying and invoking a world of conscious, living mystery. That's what the world is. The world is not an unsolved problem for scientists or sociologists. The world is a living mystery: our birth, our death, our being in the moment -- these are mysteries.
They are doorways opening on to unimaginable vistas of self-exploration, empowerment and hope for the human enterprise. And our culture has killed that, taken it away from us, made us consumers of shoddy products and shoddier ideals. We have to get away from that; and the way to get away from it is by a return to the authentic experience of the body -- and that means sexually empowering ourselves, and it means getting loaded, exploring the mind as a tool for personal and social transformation.
The hour is late; the clock is ticking; we will be judged very harshly if we fumble the ball. We are the inheritors of millions and millions of years of successfully lived lives and successful adaptations to changing conditions in the natural world. Now the challenge passes to us, the living, that the yet-to-be-born may have a place to put their feet and a sky to walk under; and that's what the psychedelic experience is about, is caring for, empowering, and building a future that honors the past, honors the planet and honors the power of the human imagination.
There is nothing as powerful, as capable of transforming itself and the planet, as the human imagination. Let's not sell it straight. Let's not whore ourselves to nitwit ideologies. Let's not give our control over to the least among us. Rather, you know, claim your place in the sun and go forward into the light. The tools are there; the path is known; you simply have to turn your back on a culture that has gone sterile and dead, and get with the program of a living world and a re-empowerment of the imagination.
Feminism is a tremendously underestimated force, viewed in the present context primarily as a woman's concern. The understanding has not yet percolated throughout society that the advancement of women is a program vitally connected to the survival of human beings as a species. The reason for this is simply that institutions take on the character of the atoms which compose them, and what we are most menaced by in the twentieth century are dehumanized institutions. If women played a major role in policy formation and execution on the part of these institutions, I think they would have a far more benign and ecologically sensitive kind of character. So, I see feminism not as a kind of war between the sexes or any of these stereotypic images, but as actually a kind of effort to shift the ratios of our emphasis that is expressed through our institutions.
What is needed is a spirit of boundary dissolution, between individuals, between classes, sexual orientations, rich and poor, man and woman, intellectual and feeling toned types. If this can happen, then we will make a new world. And if this doesn't happen, nature is fairly pitiless and has a place for us in the shale of this planet, where so many have preceded us.
Terence McKenna
A very unfortunate moment, mid sentence, to cut when he talks about African Americans
Being politically "incorrect" is just another version or the flip-side of being politically "correct".
YOU ARE OBSESSED JUST LIKE JUNG WAS 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Jung ignores free gun laws and political decentralization. What's needed is separate currency for each state
Honestly, your last comment sounds like a nightmare to this American. Can you tell us why you think that would be better?
@websurfer5772 Decentralization leads to competition. Competition is better than monopoly. Centralized currency breeds irresponsibility.
Decentralization in anything is marriage between power and responsibility.
Technological advancement makes this possible if people decide if this is what they want.
@@dr.rangarajc9691 Thanks for explaining this. Do you have any examples or references regarding this theory?
First of all, I really do not think that even a brilliant depth Psychologist such as Jung could make anything but fringe judgements on American culture. Why? Because no such a place has ever existed in the history of the world. If anything, we’re are still in a cultural adolescent. Our brilliance as innovators will destroy the world or set the groundwork for true universal evolution.
Jung's opinion of African-Americans coincides with Evola's, but Evola goes further...