DC Designs F4 Phantom II - First Look Review! - MSFS

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024

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  • @fearless_ambassador_ambo
    @fearless_ambassador_ambo Год назад +11

    My dad is a retired Navy aviation mechanic and worked on Phantoms for much of his service in the 60s and 70s. Speaking of the folding wingtips, apparently the actuator that folded and unfolded the wingtips was not marked as to which side was attached to which point in the wing and could easily be installed backwards (and often was). This resulted in one wingtip being folded up while the other wingtip was unfolded in the downward position. He said it was hilarious to look at one tip going up while the other went down, but it got a lot less funny when it took hours to undo and redo the work.

  • @DCDesignsMSFS
    @DCDesignsMSFS Год назад +13

    Hi, thanks for the review of the Phantoms! Regarding engine start, you did a false positive - the DC switch needs to be in the ready position, but you left it in safe ( it can be seen as so while you're running through the checklist ) - no DC power, no Ignition power either. Full flap drag issue is our fault though, MSFS was not reading the drag coefficient correctly, fixed now for the first update which has been sent to the Marketplace today. Interior texturing has always been my weakest spot, I'm hiring artists now to make a better job of them - exteriors were done by an artist though. I thought they were okay but I might revisit them soon. Paint kit is also now ready and will be made available for livery artists, and it includes the PBR layers to help them adjust those finishes if they want to. Cheers, DC :)

    • @galaxyheadspace_1317
      @galaxyheadspace_1317 Год назад +1

      are you guys going to fix the balance of the phantom? whenever i do like barrel rolls it will go into a flat spin

    • @DCDesignsMSFS
      @DCDesignsMSFS Год назад +4

      @@galaxyheadspace_1317 It is called adverse yaw and is a real thing in the Phantom and many other aircraft. It must be flown with respect to AoA and correct airspeed to avoid a departure.

    • @galaxyheadspace_1317
      @galaxyheadspace_1317 Год назад +1

      @@DCDesignsMSFS okay. thanks!

    • @ChestyBPuller
      @ChestyBPuller 2 месяца назад

      @@DCDesignsMSFS genuine question here, Is that due to the delta type wings?

  • @markheatherington8367
    @markheatherington8367 Год назад +4

    Very cool! Long ago I had a friend (mentor really) who flew them for the Navy in Vietnam. He described it as a pilot holding their arms out to the side (I think he was saying they have small wings) with two huge engines strapped to their backside. Thanks Angel

  • @jimfrederich8852
    @jimfrederich8852 Год назад +2

    Thanks for another excellent review! I was present and stood only 10 feet away from the F4 the day it was christened by the Missouri 😂Governor’s wife. It was comical 😂 as she hit the birds nose cone multiple times before the champaign bottle finally broke. Living only about 30 miles from Mc Donald Douglas in South St. Louis these beasts screamed low and fast over our home frequently breaking the sound barrier as they tested the aircraft. Many people complained as it often broke peoples glasses or windows. Finally a law was passed to stop breaking the sound barrier over cities. I loved watching them scream close overhead at the edge of the city. Quite a beast!

    • @mark_delfino
      @mark_delfino Год назад

      Thanks Jim. Most people don't realise how big the F4 was, similar max take off weight as a B17 or Lancaster. Some thought them ugly - not me!

  • @jaybats7865
    @jaybats7865 6 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the fun! I just love your voice ❤️ great vid, really enjoyed it

  • @DJSkyhawk85
    @DJSkyhawk85 Год назад +1

    I cant wait to get this one, I have all the other DC Designs aircraft and I am quite pleased with most of them. F-4 phantom has always been one of my favorite fighter aircraft.

  • @StringerCourier
    @StringerCourier Год назад +6

    If weaponry isn't allowed, perhaps someone ought to come up with an addon that at least has nonlethal "gun cameras" so that MSFS pilots (by that I mean those who don't have time for DCS) could practice dogfighting, ala "Top Gun," in multiplayer mode. Just something, anything that would make it worthwhile buying these military aircraft beyond the need for speed. Just a thought. Oh, BTW, love your videos.

    • @baaamakingbaaaa
      @baaamakingbaaaa Год назад

      Good idea. Most of us will be dead of old age by the time the real F4 is released in
      DCS.

  • @deepredson
    @deepredson Год назад +1

    Wonderful. Takes me back to my childhood AIRFIX kit. Haha!
    Bestest
    Barty

  • @simonsmith1900
    @simonsmith1900 Год назад +4

    Textures will be updated, I would rather plane that flies right than one that looks right. Follow DC he explains what’s going on and what is to come. This will only get better and better. The recent update fixed the full flap drag issue and now has a team working on improving textures on all his planes.

  • @LHZX14
    @LHZX14 Год назад +3

    One of my favorite birds from the Vietnam era. Now if we can get a Sky Raider. I bought this one straight away and love it. I like to use the military planes and fly from airbase to airbase...heh. Thanks for the review.

    • @molliesfmfurry2284
      @molliesfmfurry2284 Год назад +1

      Don’t forget the A4 Skyhawk. I’m with you. I fly fron base to base, US, Eu, SEAsia. Good flying, maybe we’ll catch you in the skies.

  • @nightwing8755
    @nightwing8755 Год назад +4

    Great video, it's a fun jet, it feels heavy at times, and picks up speed quickly. But I agree on the texture it is a disappointment when compared to the f14, harrier and f16. I was doubting my purchase when I got it, dc designs can do better. But it quickly became a fun aircraft so I can do with it. Hopefully, they update it and I agree I want an A6 !

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 Год назад

      I'm hanging out for it to come in DCS. Not long to wait now.

  • @HarryVoyager
    @HarryVoyager Год назад +6

    Side note on landing, from what I recall, Navy designs were all designed to be AoAed right into the ground, without any flair at the end.
    Basically they needed to get the hook to catch and flairing would add to much variability in the contact.
    I don't know if they had it in the Navy F-4's but the F-14 has an AoA indicator right of the cockpit frame that you can use to make sure you're all AoAed up for landing.
    Really handy in the turkey with too many control surfaces.

    • @StringerCourier
      @StringerCourier Год назад +3

      I was visiting a relative at an AF base in Florida years ago that was home to both AF and Marine planes. We sat at the end of the runway one day (wearing headphones - wow were they loud) and watched pilots from both land. AF pilots came in in their speedy little jets, flared, floated a bit, and settled in; the Marines came in in their heavy-duty jets, no flaring, no floatiing, BOOM onto the deck. Pretty cool.

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 Год назад

      It's called being On Speed AoA when you get the Donut in the indicator.
      Basically you aim where you want and modulate your speed to get the AoA right. Hence being On Speed.
      Air force have them in their jets too. Not just navy jets.

  • @petergibbs
    @petergibbs Год назад +4

    AS their are the Royal Navy versions, we need the old Ark Royal to take-off and land on! Even better would be a Blackburn Buccaneer S.2

  • @FlightSimVRDad
    @FlightSimVRDad Год назад +2

    Thanks for taking the time on this. I am by nature a GA guy and I am still on the learning curve of the A2A Comanche and loving it. As an old Marine I remember the end of F4's career. Even had one buzz my home town as a kid. But I think I will pass on this beast and get proficient in the A2A Comanche instead. Thanks again!

  • @DoctorShocktor
    @DoctorShocktor Год назад +1

    Kinda funny but common for you to keep emphasizing that the Phantom is “so big”, “huge”, “a big girl”. In person it really isn’t. It’s the bare minimum to wrap around a couple of medium sized jet engines and no more. The combined fuselage/canopy is no taller than an average adult (minus the landing gear height), and the cockpit only holds pretty small pilots. It’s ten feet shorter than a typical semi tractor and trailer rig, and the wings are only as wide as a two lane road.
    But beyond the measurements, when you see one in person after seeing pictures, your impression is:”Wow, that’s a dainty little bird with quite a slim cockpit.” It’s not F-16 small, but it’s NOT huge. Go find one in a museum near you, and you’ll see what I mean.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад

      I'v been next to them and don't consider them that small!

  • @silenthillbandit4755
    @silenthillbandit4755 Год назад +2

    There's a knob below generators. It says safe stby ready. Turn that to ready before starting. Hope this helps

  • @Arixodia
    @Arixodia Год назад +9

    It's a sad state of affairs when the old converted Milviz Phantom is lightyears ahead in modelling and textures than a new release

  • @larkshadow5317
    @larkshadow5317 Год назад +3

    Phantom! Now all I need is an F111, and an A6 Intruder and I'll be set.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад +3

      Gimmie dat Ardvark :D

    • @StringerCourier
      @StringerCourier Год назад +2

      I was an instrument/autopilot technician on the F-111B while at Mountain Home AFB in Idaho in the middle '70s. Saw a lot of cool stuff, but my fondest memory was when, as a newly minted airman, I was given the task of removing the accelerometer in the main landing gear wheel well for routine maintenance ... the highlight of which was removing/reinstalling safety wire on four bolts which only a contortionist with four arms could do. It was fun, too, to sit in the cockpit during an engine runup and pull that little handle under the left sill that swept the wings. What's ironic is that when i was a sophomore in high school in '66, I gave a presentation in speech class on the F-111 using a model my dad had built.

    • @zascruyt
      @zascruyt 9 месяцев назад

      F111 is now out on marketplace!

  • @---fk1ct
    @---fk1ct Год назад +2

    I enjoy the clicking of the ignitors during start up. Its like an automatic grill starter. This model has great sounds from what I can tell.

  • @crackensvideo
    @crackensvideo Год назад +1

    Hey now, any landing you can walk away from is a great landing; if you can use the aircraft after, then it's an excellent landing!

  • @zeberdee1972
    @zeberdee1972 Год назад +1

    Cool video and you did a far better landing than I did .

  • @rafale89140
    @rafale89140 Год назад +15

    We're past the halfway point of 2023 and DC Designs still doesn't understand how to make a proper external model look good. Those panel lines are atrocious, and the whole thing looks like a cheap prebuilt plastic model.

    • @caribbaviator7058
      @caribbaviator7058 Год назад +2

      Likely FSX ports with some tweaks then charging a quick buck!

    • @alexsp7086
      @alexsp7086 Год назад +3

      Jets in MSFS are rubbish if you’ve played DCS

    • @johnwicks4936
      @johnwicks4936 Год назад

      Always the same. People keep buying them though.

    • @prattpt6
      @prattpt6 Год назад +2

      Brutal job….looks cheap…DCS would be horrified

  • @anastaciawhitehead6184
    @anastaciawhitehead6184 Год назад

    Fighters are tricky, unstable and fly like a brick when you cut the power. Don't beat yourself up over the landing. DCS fan-girl here! Been learning the F15E in DCS and my first landing in it was terrible as well. The instructor in the training mission even told me so!
    I only use MSFS for GA and Commercial. If I fly military, I want to be able to shoot something! The aircraft fidelity in DCS is much better for fighters than in MSFS (just my opinion). If you're interested in more of the F4, check out Heatblur's version they're about to release for DCS!
    Love your content. Keep up the great work.

  • @Schwxrzritter
    @Schwxrzritter Год назад +1

    Glad I'm not the only one wanting an A-6, and an EA-6B would be better!

  • @BoatingBiker
    @BoatingBiker Год назад +1

    Excellent review as usual. I bought this puppy with great expectations. Like you ,I am rather disapointed with the visual quality inside and out. No where near as good as the Milviz FSX model.
    having said that, it is fun to fly. I bought this a/c to fly off carriers so looking forward to that. I am familiar with the interior of the cockpit, I have been allowed into the nose section on display at RAF Cosford. I like this model but the visual quality is way off.

  • @cheshirepiper9254
    @cheshirepiper9254 Год назад +1

    Fantastic, tricky at slow speed, as in RL. Lots of fun.

  • @rolanddutton
    @rolanddutton Год назад

    I quite like DC, their aircraft are fun, they put cool features in the cockpit and the sound is always amazing. Also, their aircraft actually work as intended.
    I spent good money on the SSW F-104, which is still unflyable.

  • @CakePrincessCelestia
    @CakePrincessCelestia Год назад +2

    I've genuinely seen A LOT of landings in the DCS community that were worse than that.
    I'll wait for the Heatblur Phantom though, just wonder if it will release in Q7, Q8 or even Q9 2022.

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 Год назад +1

      Supposed to be this month isn't it?
      I'm hanging for an A7

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia Год назад

      @@AJS86 Haven't heard anything on the A-7 in ages either... **need**

    • @AJS86
      @AJS86 Год назад +1

      @@CakePrincessCelestia I want it because it's the ancestor to the F/A-18 lol first aircraft with modern like HUD also.

  • @levelat350
    @levelat350 Год назад

    About Landing The Brick (A Stone name for The F-4 Phantom II):
    I purchased The add on roughly a week ago (from time of commenting),and had a WORSE landing experience. How? My aircraft would skip like a rock,stone,pebble,whatever you want to call those things. I would like some help with my landings please and thank you. What do any of you do,to NOT have a landing like I had?

  • @NegdoshaManido
    @NegdoshaManido Год назад +5

    When we get the Heat Blur F-14, the MSFS world will see a jet fighter done right. Until then, the DC Designs stuff is ok and fun, but not high quality. I am having the same starting issues as you are, sister. Oh well. One thing DC Designs does is they continue updating and fixing things like the start problems and off-center camera. Good on 'em for that.

    • @johnwicks4936
      @johnwicks4936 Год назад

      They do but it literally takes years for them to get things up to proper level. Look at the F15 or F14. Years to get to where they are now. The Harrier is withering on the vine. Poor quality at a high price with endless promises of update when they get done pumping out more planes. Nope, not falling for it anymore. There will be an F4 from IndiaFoxTecho eventually that I will wait for. The F14 by them and Heatblur are going to knock the MSFS community on their ass and realize how they've been wasting money on toys.

  • @nightwing8755
    @nightwing8755 Год назад

    Has your TV mode been fix or found a way to fix it? Mine is off center as well, and dc designs stated they don't know what's causing it.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад +1

      Never found a way... I suspect they linked its scale or designed it at a given resolution, not to scale generally.

    • @azematazemat2007
      @azematazemat2007 11 месяцев назад +1

      Hello, I have just bought this plane and I also have this problem. A solution that works for me. I launch the game in resolution 3840 so the TV mode and centered then I change my resolution to 1920 once I control the plane. The image remains centered.

    • @nightwing8755
      @nightwing8755 11 месяцев назад

      @azematazemat2007 thanks, I will have to try it.

    • @azematazemat2007
      @azematazemat2007 11 месяцев назад

      @@nightwing8755 tell me if it worked

  • @adamsimon609
    @adamsimon609 Год назад

    How did you deploy your spoilers?? 16:47

  • @mark_delfino
    @mark_delfino Год назад +3

    Ah, looks very Airfix, 1960s mad riveter and all. A pity, I miss Milviz's F86, F100 and of course their fab F4 with which I shared many a crash. Thanks for the review 👍

    • @Arixodia
      @Arixodia Год назад

      Milviz F4 has been converted for use in MSFS, some gauges don't work but a small price to pay for a high quality conversion. Let me know if you want the link to download it

    • @Schwxrzritter
      @Schwxrzritter Год назад +1

      ​@@Arixodiacan you download third party stuff to consoles or only PCs?

    • @Arixodia
      @Arixodia Год назад

      @@Schwxrzritter PC only

    • @Schwxrzritter
      @Schwxrzritter Год назад

      @@Arixodia and it's times like this that make me rethink sticking to consoles

    • @galia2843
      @galia2843 Год назад

      @@Arixodia Is that offer still available?^^

  • @designatedtruth1205
    @designatedtruth1205 Год назад +2

    It looks great in VR except when you look at the inner part of the intakes… They look too etchy

  • @jossefg12
    @jossefg12 Год назад +4

    Not at all impressed with the DC Designs F-4. I Worked on these planes while in the Navy. I did many engine run ups for maintenance. There is no way to start an F-4 without external pneumatic and electrical power. No battery to supply power for startup. No start switch in the cockpit. Also in your video on the external view the nose tires are flat and the mains aren’t even touching the ground. DCD needs to do some updating on this plane

  • @eduardotorresspook7305
    @eduardotorresspook7305 Месяц назад

    Nice landing... Although you should have moved away a little further to start the final a little, the Phantom does not respect you if you do not take into account and be careful with the basic distances.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Месяц назад +1

      I’m not much of a jet person 😀

  • @jaydenreyes6135
    @jaydenreyes6135 Год назад

    Can you do a review on the aero ae 45?

  • @garethjohn6835
    @garethjohn6835 Год назад

    Hi . If you look on some of the images before the launch of this you can see that the aircraft has some sheen to the airframe. I agree with Av Angel that it all looks too flat in the sim.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад

      Perfect angled photos can be deceptive.

  • @HaraldLabout
    @HaraldLabout Год назад +7

    One of my favorite fighters by far, it would have be a instant buy but it is DC Designs, hmmmmmm.

    • @onegoodknock
      @onegoodknock Год назад +3

      Yeah I’m of the same mindset

    • @thomscott1247
      @thomscott1247 Год назад +1

      Remember the F 16 got similar disparaging remarks but just see how much work DC Designs has done to improve visuals and flight dynamics.
      Give them time and this F4 will get it's 'shine'.

    • @cammy9r
      @cammy9r Год назад +1

      I have the f16, f14 Typhoon and Harrier. Bought them in various sales for around £17 each. I think they are worth that but not £30 each. To be honest once you have one fast jet you have them all as they are all kind of the same, maybe not the Harrier though but I like the Harrier.

    • @HaraldLabout
      @HaraldLabout Год назад +1

      I own the F-14 myself, it's fun, but once you use the PMDG / Just Flight / A2A / Milviz and Flysimware aircrafts you notice the difference.

    • @johnwicks4936
      @johnwicks4936 Год назад +3

      @@thomscott1247 Why do we have to give them time? Why can't they ever launch something properly from the start? It's not an early access plane like DCS planes. It's planes popped out in several months. Poor quality and overpriced.

  • @liortaylor5305
    @liortaylor5305 Год назад +2

    yeah, in the looks department I am not sold. Wasn't there another group bringing the Phantom over from DCS into MSFS? might wait for that one.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад

      That one would be gorgeous.

  • @Wilber913
    @Wilber913 Год назад

    from all the videos ive seen, it looks very sensitive in pitch?

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад

      Pitch feels ok, but its sensitive in thrust.

  • @iagikV2
    @iagikV2 Год назад +1

    👍

  • @rwtwpg
    @rwtwpg Год назад +3

    Here in Canada it's priced at $45 in the Market Place. There are several aircraft priced at less than $10 that look to be better choices. DC Designs dropped the ball on this one.

  • @HarryVoyager
    @HarryVoyager Год назад +2

    If you ever do DCS, I hear the Community A-4E mod is very good. And free.
    Don't think it will get ported to MSFS, though.

  • @alexandermathar7780
    @alexandermathar7780 Год назад

    Ok.. Jagel to Nörvenich at 750 ft at Mach 1 full burner !! HAHAHAHA!!

  • @TurnNBurn110
    @TurnNBurn110 Год назад +10

    I gotta say, I love the Phantom, but not this Phantom.

    • @galaxyheadspace_1317
      @galaxyheadspace_1317 Год назад

      Why not?

    • @TurnNBurn110
      @TurnNBurn110 Год назад

      @@galaxyheadspace_1317 It had so much hype to be the best DC aircraft yet, and it didnt deliver. Its far from worth the asking price, maybe worth a mere 15 on the high end. 3 cockpits were promised, we got one, and its not great modeling wise whatsoever.

  • @normg2242
    @normg2242 Год назад +3

    I am a huge fan of the Phantom, but I will wait until someone releases a better one with pbr textures. This one looks like a paper model and the panel lines are way too dark.

  • @Ginge2064
    @Ginge2064 2 месяца назад

    Heyo I know no one is probably going to see this but if anyone can help me decide between the f4 and the f111

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  2 месяца назад +1

      Preference, both similarly quality

  • @bcsimpilot3497
    @bcsimpilot3497 Год назад

    What? No test of the ejection seat control? lol. Id fly it a few times otherwise, meh. No chirp on landing either? Thanks again for sharing...always enjoy your perception!

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад

      Sadly it does nothing :D

  • @normanbyrne9868
    @normanbyrne9868 Год назад

    You should've saved your money and purchased (and reviewed) the Lata Coere that came out a few months ago. A phenomenal aircraft and lots of great features included. I purchased it then and I'm still enjoying it.

    • @AvAngel
      @AvAngel  Год назад +1

      Wasn't something I ever expected to fly tbh, and it came out while I was away on vacation that somewhat messed with my reviewing schedule.

  • @timhubbard8895
    @timhubbard8895 Год назад +1

    The undercarriage sits far too high, the texturing is laughable for MSFS 2020. It looks like an FSX conversion. I really hoped for better.

  • @caribbaviator7058
    @caribbaviator7058 Год назад +2

    I would avoid anything with the word DC in front of it unless of course its DCS world! It amazes this developer is still bringing garbage over to MSFS!

  • @richardsuttill54
    @richardsuttill54 Год назад +2

    Sadly DC designs is falling behind in the quality stakes, I have stopped buying their products. The textures on this aircraft are very second rate.

  • @andreasschmidt2540
    @andreasschmidt2540 Год назад

    The F-4, the plane that has many bad names. Like Battle Rhino, brick with drift. Federal diesel. I don't like that thing. In terms of its aerodynamics, it is proof that even a stone can fly if the engines are sufficient.

  • @tomnape28
    @tomnape28 Год назад

    Waited so long for this. Its a complete dud.

  • @Eisfeder
    @Eisfeder Год назад

    the radar works well... but i really miss the heat haze and a tail hitbox ... for that price, its a shame

  • @Runway_Models1987
    @Runway_Models1987 Год назад

    The gauges and radar have rough edges instead of round is what I notice.

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough Год назад

    The Phantom is my Fvaoite fighter jet to fly in sims and games because it suits me so well... But this guy has almost much issues as the Big radials P-40 I have... Must be nice to have flaps though... Still for under $10 I would pick it up for sure just because it's my favoite.

  • @samdedman7557
    @samdedman7557 Год назад

    This seems okayish... Can't wait for Heatblur to finish the F4 Phantom for DCS . That's really going to be a game changer !!

  • @notproplayer3649
    @notproplayer3649 Год назад +2

    As always from DC designs, low quality and no attention to detail for a product costing the same price as some AAA games.

  • @steveunwin830
    @steveunwin830 Год назад +2

    Real shame the externals look cartoonish.

  • @юрийгречишников-щ8ф

    этот сим ещё не умер? после 2020 здесь такая убогая графика...

  • @noturgenre4793
    @noturgenre4793 Год назад +1

    Aircraft is pretty but just like all other DC aircraft, it flies like a brick.

  • @johnwicks4936
    @johnwicks4936 Год назад +1

    What do you expect from a dev that pumps out planes every few months. They are made for the xbox crowd. Way way way too overpriced! Deimos will be overtaking this dev soon.

  • @JK-dv3qe
    @JK-dv3qe Год назад +1

    i used to be major aviation geek. MSFS has waned me off that. i don't care much about aviation any more. didn't even watch Top Gun II. i guess im getting older. saving my inflation money for something else (fun fact F-4 Phantom bombed a lot of civilians in Vietnam -> fun fact that I always whip out at fun parties!)

    • @SneakyPete67
      @SneakyPete67 Год назад

      Fun fact: nobody likes a Debbie downer lefty.

    • @dillank3240
      @dillank3240 Год назад

      Why do you come here and crap all over the entire MSFS community? Grow up! "I guess I'm getting older." Right.

    • @jossefg12
      @jossefg12 Год назад

      Fun fact, F-4 and Enola Gay didn’t bomb anyone. The pilot of both those planes did the bombing in both situations, not the planes.

  • @TheGarlicMan
    @TheGarlicMan 3 месяца назад +1

    The first women RUclipsr I’ve heard so thanks for that.