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@@SkiEssentials I just got some bentchetler 100s a month ago and love them but was maybe looking for a secondary ski that does park/piste and powder too and was considering these 104s- I ski in BC- so a lot of natural soft snow
great review! do these have enough camber underfoot to work well in the park? and how would they handle touring? also im still waiting on those ski vlogs, they would be so fun to watch and would give stowe and the surrounding areas a better reputation.
In my opinion, yeah. It's not a super snappy, poppy park ski like a narrower, cambered ski, but I'd be perfectly happy skiing it in the park. I think touring is a good application too. Light enough for the ascent and really versatile for the descent.
Thanks so much! I've been skiing the Deacon (188) as a front side ski and love it but want a ski to really master double blacks that is easy and forgiving but still fun. I'm 6ft and 172. Do you think that the revolt at 180 is a good choice? If not, any suggestions?
Hi! I replied to your other comment too on the comparison article. I do think the Revolt 104 would work well for that, specifically if you're looking for something that's a twin tip. I brought up the Ripstick 106 as another option too, and I think that would be an excellent choice if you didn't need a twin tip. For length, yes, 180 cm should work great for your size as you start to master new terrain.
How would these do in powder? I'm looking for a ski that can handle rails and jumps relatively well, and go right from the park into some powder. I was considering this ski and the black crow atris, Would you recommend the revolt 104?
In my opinion, it's pretty perfect for that application. The rocker profile gives it more float than most skis in this width range. Really fun in the park too. In my opinion, the Revolt 104 would be a little better in the park and as a "all-mountain" ski, but the Atris is the superior powder ski between the two.
Was looking to get a all mountain ski for mostly resort skiing, with some side/backcountry mixed in. Currently considering the Bent Chetler 100, Revolt 104, Sir Francis Bacon 107s to be mounted with a shift binding. I'm an intermediate to advanced skier who does 65/35 off-piste/on-piste and enjoy trees. Which ski would you recommend if I currently ride a K2 Pinnacle 95 at 177cm length?
If you're keeping the Pinnacle and looking for a wider option, I'd take the BC 100 out. The Bacon is a rounder-turning ski than the Revolt, and likes to be swished around and surfed and smeared in soft snow. The Revolt 104 has more versatility to it, so it'll be better for the resort days and still a highly viable ski for backcountry use. If you're ditching the Pinnacle and are looking for one ski, the BC 100 should be brought back into the conversation, with the Bacon taken out. In that light, between the 100 and 104, the 100 has a stronger resort application while the Revolt is the floatier and smearier choice--especially in the deep stuff. I think the BC100 is one of the best tree skis I've ever been on, for what it's worth.
With you saying it's a stiffer ski, what's it's ability like to Butter? I've been more on the hard charging side of things, but wanting a ski that's more on the playful all mountain side (learning to Butter, ride switch, etc) without sacrificing decent stability.
It's certainly not too stiff to butter, in fact, it butters really, really well. It's a good choice for what you're going to be doing. The shape makes it pretty forgiving for learning stuff like that as it's not going to feel catchy thanks to the rocker/taper combination.
Great review , how would you compare bentchetler 100 to these skis, they look similar, but is revlot 104 like "more " of the ski, could you push it harder than bents 100 on ,say, hard pack , steeps etc, Thanks!!
Yeah, in my opinion the Revolt is "more" ski. You can ski it harder and faster than the BC 100 and it stays composed. The BC 100 feels lighter on your feet, and softer flexing. More energetic too, but less stable and less surfy.
Does this compare to the Faction 2.0 or 3.0 at all? They seem very similar but I hear the factions can be a "lot of work" on some choppy groomers to the point where you can't relax after a long day. Been skiing for 4 decades and I'm 6 feet and over 200 muscular build so I think I need a stiffer/wider ski to compensate for my weight. Trying to decide between these and either the 2.0 or 3.0. and I have enough experience to switch ski on a gs downhill ski and even spin on them freely. So I'm thinking if I can do that, this will be cake on a twin tip.
Hey Nicholas! Probably the biggest difference between these and the Candides is the level of stability. The Revolt does feel a little stronger than both of those skis, so in theory will be more supportive for your size and/or aggressive skiing. Super fun skiing switch, really good float, just a blast as an all-mountain/freeride ski. I'd say go for the Revolt if you haven't already made your decision.
Hey guys, love all the videos! I'm a 5'11 170lb intermediate skier in the PNW skiing mt hood as my main mountain. I'm used to about 80% on piste and 20% off piste and currently ski some atomic vantage 90 ti's. I'm looking to get more off piste time in and am looking at these, the Justis, the camox, and the ripstick 96's. I mostly want a ski that will perform well enough to do groomers all day and is stable at speed but will also be a great entry into powder skiing. Any tips on which of these 4 skis to go for? Thanks so much!
Hey Austin! Those are all great skis, but I'm leaning towards either the Justis or the Revolt 104. I think you'll appreciate the width, rocker profile, and overall float of those skis. They're a little better in deeper snow than the other two, and since this is kind of your off-piste ski, I think that makes sense. Revolt will feel a little more playful, and definitely has a little more freestyle influence in its design. Justis feels a little stronger overall with the metal in its construction, but still is super surfy in soft snow. Can't really go wrong with either one. We're going to have a full review of the Justis up in just a couple days!
Hey Neil! The Revolt doesn't have any metal, so it doesn't have quite the power of vibration damping as the Enforcer 104. That said, it feels lighter, and it uses more rocker, so it has more of a surfy, playful feel. I'd be fine on the Revolt 104 in the park, where the Enforcer 104 feels a little heavy. So, that's the big difference in my opinion. Enforcer 104 - more stable, more powerful. Revolt 104 - more playful, surfier soft snow feel.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for coming back to me guys with such a clear answer. I bought the Enforcer 104 on the back of the great review that you gave them earlier in the season and love them. Based on your feedback here I made the right choice!
So I bought a pair of bentchetler 100s at the beginning of this season in a 180cm- I’m 6’2 and weight 146pounds so I’m tall but light and felt that the 180 would just be much more fun and maneuverable and I was right- but now I’m considering selling the bentchetlers and buying a pair of these revolts in a. 188 Because they’re more center mounted and ski shorter than the bentchetler which I have mounted more like a all mountain ski- should I stick with my bentchetlers or try out a pair of revolts and sell my BC’s and should I go with a 180 or a 188 in the 104 if I ended up switching??? Are the 104s more fun? I have a pair of 4frnt EHP in a 186 already for powder- so powder performance is irrelevant for me
If you can demo a Revolt 104, that would probably be best... A 188 cm Revolt 104 would definitely feel a lot different than your 180 Bent Chetlers... Hard to say the 104 is more fun than the BC, they're just different. Much longer rocker in the Revolt, which makes it ski a little shorter and also makes it more maneuverable in deep snow. Gives it more float too. I know you said powder performance is irrelevant, but it would feel weird to leave that out discussing the differences between the two.
Thanks for this video. Am thinking about switching to the Revolt 104 from my Black Crow Atris... any thoughts on this? Any advice would be super helpful! Thank you.
More of a freeride feel in the Revolt--a softer tail and more dramatic taper make it wiggle around in the powder quite efficiently. The Atris has more of a directional personality and prefers to go faster and with more intent. The Revolt is all about fun while the Atris has more of a business-like feel to it.
The Revolt 95 is basically the same, just new topsheet graphics. So, I'd say keep yours unless it's time for them to be replaced! I love the idea of a Revolt 95, 104, 121 quiver, I'd be pretty darn happy with that personally.
@@SkiEssentials I know the 95 is just a new topsheet, would just be to match the graphics and having them for flexing in hallway, , my revolt 95's are beeeeeeaaat up and look like they should be retired long ago... but they still work sooo ;) Maybe I could know how revolt 95's feel with edges not rounded/killed of ;) If you pause the video at a certain time where you see the new dalbello il moro on jesters with new colors on revolt 104... yes please. I have a lot of skies (I blame you guys for this) , and I'm really looking forward to test the revolt 104 vs my current favorite ranger 102 fr and the other 95-106mm twintips. I'm as you a mid 30s but I still like to do butters, some jumps, some park, and carve. I have the k2 poacher, armada arv 96, ranger 102 FR bent chetler 100 faction CT 1.0 2.0 3.0 and probably forgot a few... yeah so I like skis.
Hey Jeff, how do these stand up against the ARV 106? I am expecting my ARVs in the mail any day now after our previous exchange, but I am curious about the other skis with similar profiles.
They're a little different. I'd say the ARV 106 feels softer overall and is a little more compliant. The Revolt is really interesting. I think some skiers will love it, but it's a pretty unique ski. Stiff and stable, but really long rocker and lots of early taper too. For your specific application, the ARV is definitely better for teaching and demonstrating. The Revolt 104 loves speed, loves to slash and smear turns, and is super fun to ski, but it's not as well rounded if that makes sense.
On another note, I personally am really happy we have so many choices in the mid-100/freeride/all-mountain/twin tip category now. They're all a little different too, which is great.
Hey, so I'm a good piste skier and have got a pair of piste skis that I like a lot, but I've wanted to get into the more playful / park / off piste side of skiing. Until now I've done that on my Heads and have done fine but thought it was finally time to get another pair. I'm looking for a ski that would do well on piste but could do better for freestyle / off piste than what I currently have. I've come across the revolt 104s, the k2 poachers and the Bent Chetler 100s. I'm open to new recommendations as well. Hope it's not too much of a bother (I'm 180 cm if it's any help)
All 3 of those skis could work great for what you're looking for. The Revolt is going to be the best in soft snow. It has the most float and easiest edge release. Bent Chetlers are the most playful and most energetic out of those 3, and still really fun in deep snow. Poachers are designed a little more for park than the other 2, but would still work well around the rest of the mountain too. So, in other words, you can't really go wrong with any of them, just a matter of how much soft snow performance you want and stuff like that. Hope that helps!
Wish they had a 185. At 180cm in height and and 180 in weight I’m between sizes. Lots of dudes out there just under 6 feet. With the rocker profile the effective edge I could probably ski it long. What size was the first tester?
The Revolt 104 is more stable than you might expect just looking at its shape. I think you're referring to me, and I'm just under 180 cm in height and about 150-160 in weight. I ski the 180 and love it. I don't think the difference in size between you and I is enough to justify the 188. 180 feels like the way to go in my opinion.
If you can swing it, the new Duke PT from Marker would be pretty ideal. It's a strong binding that I would trust in the park, dropping cliffs, etc, but it also goes uphill well. The Shift (Salomon, Atomic, Armada) is a little lighter and a little less expensive. Not quite as burly, but it could certainly work too.
How fast can you go with this ski? Is it stable for high speeds? And is it good for moguls I’m 5,11 200 lbs what ski do you recommend for a skier who likes to hit high speeds, carve, do moguls and go off trail and wants to get into park skiing like hitting jumps. Skiing mostly the east coast
You can ski it pretty darn fast and aggressively. That's something that always impresses me about this ski. Despite its width and rocker profile, it stays quite composed at higher speeds. It's on the wide end of the spectrum for moguls, but definitely will work. Really good mix of performance for everything you're looking to do. It's a blast in soft snow, can carve, and will let you play around in the park.
Hello, I am 174 and I am thinking about buying a pair of these. My park skis are revolt 95 173cm and for powder days I use a pair of k2 catamaran 177cm, which size would you recommend me? I feel like 172 is a little bit short for charging the whole mountain and specially powder. Thanks in advance!
Definitely a toss up. How much do you weigh? I'm leaning towards 180 since you already have a shorter park ski. With the rocker profile of the 104, 180 shouldn't be too hard to ski and will give you more stability when charging. Obviously 172 would be more playful and more maneuverable, but I get the impression that's not the focus for this pair within your quiver?
Even though there's not a huge difference in width, I do find the Revolt 104 feels more versatile. Every time I get on the Atris, it feels more like a powder ski to me. A powder ski that can do other stuff, sure, but still a powder ski at heart. The Revolt feels more like a wide all-mountain ski to me. Quicker edge to edge, etc. They're similar in the sense that they're both surfy, smeary, super fun skis, I guess I just get a little hung up on the width.
Great review, do you think a skier who likes off piste skiing and in the trees runs along with fast groomers would like this ski. And how do you think it fairs as a freeride?
Yes, definitely. It's a great choice for an aggressive skier who likes to ski off-piste, but also skis fast on groomers. It's also quite good in deeper snow conditions. It's a very versatile ski.
Hi !great review on the skis. I just bought Revolt104 and marker griffon 13iD . How would you recommend ,mount them .I am intermediate advance skier at183 cm and 87 kg would you recommend , to move 2 cm back?Skiing 70% on piste and 30% out off piste .Thanks
The Revolt is stiffer than both those skis, most notably in the forebody of the ski and underfoot. That gives is a more stable feel at speed. What's interesting, is it also uses longer rocker than both of those skis, which gives it a fairly unique personality. More stable, but because of the rocker and early taper, you can still butter, smear, skid, etc with ease. It's pretty cool. Great ski for someone who wants some freestyle/freeski performance, but still like to ski fast from time to time.
No, but it's very close. I would put it right on the Team Recommended line. That's where I skied them and they feel great at that spot. It's a specific rocker/taper shape, so moving the mount point too much isn't the best idea, at least in my opinion.
Hello nice review !! I am a good skier on groomers and i look for a playful ski to start more freeride, touring, all mountain ski and jump. Do you think i can use this ski for a all mountain ski and powder ski? Or another model? And what size (I am 168 cm ) From France 🇫🇷
Hello! Yes, I think the Revolt 104 could work for you. Its rocker profile and the taper shape makes it pretty forgiving and should be a good ski for you to start exploring new terrain. For length, you'll want to go with the 172 cm.
Very similar overall, although it's a little stiffer than both of those skis. Stiffer, but also longer rocker. In a lot of ways, they achieve the same things, but feel different doing so... if that makes sense.
You sold me on these man! Actually this is my first ski purchase after renting and borrowing for close to a decade. Have your thoughts changed on these since your review?
Nope, my thoughts certainly haven't changed. I think it's an awesome ski and to be honest it's a ski I'm looking forward to getting on more this coming winter. I had a ton of fun on it and think you will too!
Great, in my opinion. Normally I don't like going quite this wide for a park ski, but I wouldn't have any trouble on the Revolt 104 in the park. Nimble and it's not catchy because of all the rocker. It's not going to be ultra quick for linking a ton of switch ups on rails, but it will work well in the park overall.
I'm not sure I would very go true center on these because the tip rocker is longer than the tail rocker and I personally don't like to be further forward than the center of camber. You could, however, go pretty darn close to true center. Recommended mount point is already quite forward, especially compared to a more directional ski.
Yeah! Not as well as a dedicated firm snow ski, but considering how playful they are, how much float they have, and how versatile they are, they perform admirably on firm snow. Good stability, good edge grip, etc.
hello! What is the length of these skis to choose? I am 179 cm tall and weigh about 80 kg, I skate very well. I will ride them in the park, on freeride and on the slopes. that is, everywhere. I want both stability and playfulness
Hey guys I am 6’2 and a more intermediate/advance skier just wondering if I should go with the 188 or the 180 i am leading more towards the 188 but would love to see what you guys think thanks.
Hey Kyle! Yeah, at your size, I would probably go 188. The rocker profile of the Revolt 104 is so long in both the tip and tail that it's quite manageable in longer lengths. Then you'll also benefit from increased float and overall stability.
Pretty different skis. The Revolt 104 lets you slash and smear turns at will, the Blade wants to rip carves more than anything else, and has a much smaller turn radius.
Bacons feel a little softer to me. There's actually less rocker in the Bacon too, and less taper. Shorter turn radius too. The Revolt feels a little surfier, if that makes sense.
@@SkiEssentials makes perfect sense as the revolt have basically no chamber in front of the bindings:) looked like that could sacrifice carving performance though. But still super interesting skis
The Rangers have more torsional stiffness and more precision. Better edge grip and more stability overall. The Revolts, on the other hand, feel more playful. They also feel more surfy and float a little better in soft snow, but they're not nearly as precise as the Ranger thanks to a much longer rocker profile and more "basic" construction.
Hey Oliver! I (Jeff) am about 5'10" and skied the 180 cm. Harrison, who's also in this video, is a little taller, about 6'0" even. Even though they have a lot of rocker, I've found they ski pretty true to size, no need to upsize or downsize. They're relatively stiff, so they're still supportive and stable at speed despite the long rocker profile.
@@olivercoutts1156 it depends bro what kinda skier you are are you a beginner ? Advanced ? Expert. For beginners with freestyle skis -5 cm For advanced with freestyle skis 0 For experts with freestyle skis +5
I'll echo Austin. The Revolt 104 feels more stable. What's interesting is it also has more rocker than the Bent Chetler 100. The BC 100 is almost more like if they made a wider Revolt 95 and then added HRZN Tech.
Both are great. I had a lot of fun testing both this past season. The Revolt is stiffer, but has way more rocker. The Reckoner is a lot softer flexing, but still holds an edge well because of how they use carbon. So, kind of which you prefer. I do think most skiers will find the Reckoner more playful, but I think you could make the argument that the Revolt 104 is more versatile. It's a really interesting comparison and I think one that a lot of skiers will be curious about this season.
Someday, someday. I actually skied a lot of Faction this past year. Not as much as other brands, but a lot more than I have in the previous ~5 seasons.
The Bacon is a better floater than the Revolt, and is slightly more flexible. The Revolt has more oomph to it, so there's a higher performance ceiling than the Bacon.
The Revolt 104 has much more rocker, and it also feels a little more stable at speed. The Bent Chetler 100 is super playful, very energetic, etc. They obviously are both designed as freeride/freestyle ski, but there are some pretty big differences in how they feel. More camber in the BC 100, feels a little lighter too, I'd say.
Sure, it's just a bit heavier. Also, skins don't work as well on twin tips as they do other more touring-oriented skis like the Volkl Blaze 106 which has a flatter tail and a skin notch.
Quite a bit different actually. Rocker profile is similar between the two, but the Blaze feels a lot lighter and has a different taper shape. Blaze flexes into different turn shapes more easily too, the Revolt 104 is stiffer, which I assume some people wouldn't expect. Of course there's the twin tip difference too. I suppose you can achieve similar turn shapes/styles on them, but the feel is different.
The Ranger 102 is lighter and a little more responsive. The flex pattern feels a little more energetic too. The Revolt has really long rocker, which gives it a smeary, drifty feel, but it also has some heft to it, relatively stable at speed. They're bot really playful, really versatile skis, but they do feel different.
@@SkiEssentials I'm also interested about this comparison. I am searchin for a great all around ski for this winter. I am going to do quite a lot of touring wit either of these skis but also gonna have quite many inbound days with harder conditions. I am somehow playful experienced skier, but I also appreciate good aggressive turns. Maybe I could say that I am looking for more playful aspects in the soft snow and performance in harder snow. So these two skis are the ones I am most interested of but can't really decide between them. :D I'm 179cm tall and revolts come in 180 and rangers 177 or 184. Do you have any tips or opinions about this case? Thanks a lot and thanks for all the videos! Love the content!
@@Jullese Ranger feels more precise on firm snow, more torsional stiffness and more responsiveness. Since you mention firm snow, I'm kind of leaning towards Ranger, but the Revolt isn't necessarily bad on firm snow by any means, just isn't quite as precise or responsive. 177 cm Ranger would work well for your size, or 180 in the Revolt if you decide to go that route. Hope that helps!
They don't carve like a dedicated carving ski, but considering how playful they are, how fun they are in soft snow, and how much rocker they have, they carve quite well! That was one of the most surprising aspects for me, I didn't expect that much firm snow performance.
@@calebolson6500 Well said, but its his opinion, there are different tastes all around... i really like the new design. But what about the faction prodigy 3.0 2019/2020 ( if i remember well) for example? the black ones with a pink cassette and headphones, really hard to apreciate that style ... anyway , specs are the important thing
Glad to see a return of the fun top sheet graphics, they were getting boring for a few years
One thing I love about this years volkls is the graphics on the revolt-104/95 also the basher- love that fox drawing
Agree. Killer graphics. I can't recall the artist's name off the top of my head, but I wish I could, as they deserve a lot of credit.
@@SkiEssentials I just got some bentchetler 100s a month ago and love them but was maybe looking for a secondary ski that does park/piste and powder too and was considering these 104s- I ski in BC- so a lot of natural soft snow
great review! do these have enough camber underfoot to work well in the park? and how would they handle touring? also im still waiting on those ski vlogs, they would be so fun to watch and would give stowe and the surrounding areas a better reputation.
In my opinion, yeah. It's not a super snappy, poppy park ski like a narrower, cambered ski, but I'd be perfectly happy skiing it in the park. I think touring is a good application too. Light enough for the ascent and really versatile for the descent.
So forget park, but for an all mountain, powder, steeps, piste, trees, bumps, what comes out top between: Volkl Revolt 104 or Rossignol Sender?
I have tried both but I definetly prefer the völkl. The shape just transitions so nice for a ski of its type
Thanks so much! I've been skiing the Deacon (188) as a front side ski and love it but want a ski to really master double blacks that is easy and forgiving but still fun. I'm 6ft and 172. Do you think that the revolt at 180 is a good choice? If not, any suggestions?
Hi! I replied to your other comment too on the comparison article. I do think the Revolt 104 would work well for that, specifically if you're looking for something that's a twin tip. I brought up the Ripstick 106 as another option too, and I think that would be an excellent choice if you didn't need a twin tip. For length, yes, 180 cm should work great for your size as you start to master new terrain.
How would these do in powder? I'm looking for a ski that can handle rails and jumps relatively well, and go right from the park into some powder. I was considering this ski and the black crow atris, Would you recommend the revolt 104?
In my opinion, it's pretty perfect for that application. The rocker profile gives it more float than most skis in this width range. Really fun in the park too. In my opinion, the Revolt 104 would be a little better in the park and as a "all-mountain" ski, but the Atris is the superior powder ski between the two.
So good man!
Was looking to get a all mountain ski for mostly resort skiing, with some side/backcountry mixed in.
Currently considering the Bent Chetler 100, Revolt 104, Sir Francis Bacon 107s to be mounted with a shift binding. I'm an intermediate to advanced skier who does 65/35 off-piste/on-piste and enjoy trees. Which ski would you recommend if I currently ride a K2 Pinnacle 95 at 177cm length?
If you're keeping the Pinnacle and looking for a wider option, I'd take the BC 100 out. The Bacon is a rounder-turning ski than the Revolt, and likes to be swished around and surfed and smeared in soft snow. The Revolt 104 has more versatility to it, so it'll be better for the resort days and still a highly viable ski for backcountry use. If you're ditching the Pinnacle and are looking for one ski, the BC 100 should be brought back into the conversation, with the Bacon taken out. In that light, between the 100 and 104, the 100 has a stronger resort application while the Revolt is the floatier and smearier choice--especially in the deep stuff. I think the BC100 is one of the best tree skis I've ever been on, for what it's worth.
With you saying it's a stiffer ski, what's it's ability like to Butter? I've been more on the hard charging side of things, but wanting a ski that's more on the playful all mountain side (learning to Butter, ride switch, etc) without sacrificing decent stability.
It's certainly not too stiff to butter, in fact, it butters really, really well. It's a good choice for what you're going to be doing. The shape makes it pretty forgiving for learning stuff like that as it's not going to feel catchy thanks to the rocker/taper combination.
Great review , how would you compare bentchetler 100 to these skis, they look similar, but is revlot 104 like "more " of the ski, could you push it harder than bents 100 on ,say, hard pack , steeps etc, Thanks!!
Yeah, in my opinion the Revolt is "more" ski. You can ski it harder and faster than the BC 100 and it stays composed. The BC 100 feels lighter on your feet, and softer flexing. More energetic too, but less stable and less surfy.
Does this compare to the Faction 2.0 or 3.0 at all? They seem very similar but I hear the factions can be a "lot of work" on some choppy groomers to the point where you can't relax after a long day. Been skiing for 4 decades and I'm 6 feet and over 200 muscular build so I think I need a stiffer/wider ski to compensate for my weight. Trying to decide between these and either the 2.0 or 3.0. and I have enough experience to switch ski on a gs downhill ski and even spin on them freely. So I'm thinking if I can do that, this will be cake on a twin tip.
Hey Nicholas! Probably the biggest difference between these and the Candides is the level of stability. The Revolt does feel a little stronger than both of those skis, so in theory will be more supportive for your size and/or aggressive skiing. Super fun skiing switch, really good float, just a blast as an all-mountain/freeride ski. I'd say go for the Revolt if you haven't already made your decision.
Hey guys, love all the videos!
I'm a 5'11 170lb intermediate skier in the PNW skiing mt hood as my main mountain. I'm used to about 80% on piste and 20% off piste and currently ski some atomic vantage 90 ti's. I'm looking to get more off piste time in and am looking at these, the Justis, the camox, and the ripstick 96's. I mostly want a ski that will perform well enough to do groomers all day and is stable at speed but will also be a great entry into powder skiing. Any tips on which of these 4 skis to go for? Thanks so much!
Hey Austin! Those are all great skis, but I'm leaning towards either the Justis or the Revolt 104. I think you'll appreciate the width, rocker profile, and overall float of those skis. They're a little better in deeper snow than the other two, and since this is kind of your off-piste ski, I think that makes sense. Revolt will feel a little more playful, and definitely has a little more freestyle influence in its design. Justis feels a little stronger overall with the metal in its construction, but still is super surfy in soft snow. Can't really go wrong with either one.
We're going to have a full review of the Justis up in just a couple days!
A great review as always, thank you. How would you say this ski compares to the Nordica Enforcer 104?
Hey Neil! The Revolt doesn't have any metal, so it doesn't have quite the power of vibration damping as the Enforcer 104. That said, it feels lighter, and it uses more rocker, so it has more of a surfy, playful feel. I'd be fine on the Revolt 104 in the park, where the Enforcer 104 feels a little heavy. So, that's the big difference in my opinion. Enforcer 104 - more stable, more powerful. Revolt 104 - more playful, surfier soft snow feel.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for coming back to me guys with such a clear answer. I bought the Enforcer 104 on the back of the great review that you gave them earlier in the season and love them. Based on your feedback here I made the right choice!
So I bought a pair of bentchetler 100s at the beginning of this season in a 180cm- I’m 6’2 and weight 146pounds so I’m tall but light and felt that the 180 would just be much more fun and maneuverable and I was right- but now I’m considering selling the bentchetlers and buying a pair of these revolts in a. 188 Because they’re more center mounted and ski shorter than the bentchetler which I have mounted more like a all mountain ski- should I stick with my bentchetlers or try out a pair of revolts and sell my BC’s and should I go with a 180 or a 188 in the 104 if I ended up switching??? Are the 104s more fun? I have a pair of 4frnt EHP in a 186 already for powder- so powder performance is irrelevant for me
If you can demo a Revolt 104, that would probably be best... A 188 cm Revolt 104 would definitely feel a lot different than your 180 Bent Chetlers... Hard to say the 104 is more fun than the BC, they're just different. Much longer rocker in the Revolt, which makes it ski a little shorter and also makes it more maneuverable in deep snow. Gives it more float too. I know you said powder performance is irrelevant, but it would feel weird to leave that out discussing the differences between the two.
Thanks for this video. Am thinking about switching to the Revolt 104 from my Black Crow Atris... any thoughts on this? Any advice would be super helpful! Thank you.
More of a freeride feel in the Revolt--a softer tail and more dramatic taper make it wiggle around in the powder quite efficiently. The Atris has more of a directional personality and prefers to go faster and with more intent. The Revolt is all about fun while the Atris has more of a business-like feel to it.
How are these when it comes to cliff jumping?
So stoked for theese, wanting matching revolt series lineup, getting the 104/121 for sure, maybe upgrade older revolt 95 as well? :o
The Revolt 95 is basically the same, just new topsheet graphics. So, I'd say keep yours unless it's time for them to be replaced! I love the idea of a Revolt 95, 104, 121 quiver, I'd be pretty darn happy with that personally.
@@SkiEssentials I know the 95 is just a new topsheet, would just be to match the graphics and having them for flexing in hallway, , my revolt 95's are beeeeeeaaat up and look like they should be retired long ago... but they still work sooo ;) Maybe I could know how revolt 95's feel with edges not rounded/killed of ;)
If you pause the video at a certain time where you see the new dalbello il moro on jesters with new colors on revolt 104... yes please.
I have a lot of skies (I blame you guys for this) , and I'm really looking forward to test the revolt 104 vs my current favorite ranger 102 fr and the other 95-106mm twintips. I'm as you a mid 30s but I still like to do butters, some jumps, some park, and carve. I have the k2 poacher, armada arv 96, ranger 102 FR bent chetler 100 faction CT 1.0 2.0 3.0 and probably forgot a few... yeah so I like skis.
Hey Jeff, how do these stand up against the ARV 106? I am expecting my ARVs in the mail any day now after our previous exchange, but I am curious about the other skis with similar profiles.
They're a little different. I'd say the ARV 106 feels softer overall and is a little more compliant. The Revolt is really interesting. I think some skiers will love it, but it's a pretty unique ski. Stiff and stable, but really long rocker and lots of early taper too. For your specific application, the ARV is definitely better for teaching and demonstrating. The Revolt 104 loves speed, loves to slash and smear turns, and is super fun to ski, but it's not as well rounded if that makes sense.
On another note, I personally am really happy we have so many choices in the mid-100/freeride/all-mountain/twin tip category now. They're all a little different too, which is great.
Hey, so I'm a good piste skier and have got a pair of piste skis that I like a lot, but I've wanted to get into the more playful / park / off piste side of skiing. Until now I've done that on my Heads and have done fine but thought it was finally time to get another pair. I'm looking for a ski that would do well on piste but could do better for freestyle / off piste than what I currently have. I've come across the revolt 104s, the k2 poachers and the Bent Chetler 100s. I'm open to new recommendations as well. Hope it's not too much of a bother (I'm 180 cm if it's any help)
All 3 of those skis could work great for what you're looking for. The Revolt is going to be the best in soft snow. It has the most float and easiest edge release. Bent Chetlers are the most playful and most energetic out of those 3, and still really fun in deep snow. Poachers are designed a little more for park than the other 2, but would still work well around the rest of the mountain too. So, in other words, you can't really go wrong with any of them, just a matter of how much soft snow performance you want and stuff like that. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials thx a bunch man, appreciate it :)
Wish they had a 185. At 180cm in height and and 180 in weight I’m between sizes. Lots of dudes out there just under 6 feet. With the rocker profile the effective edge I could probably ski it long. What size was the first tester?
The Revolt 104 is more stable than you might expect just looking at its shape. I think you're referring to me, and I'm just under 180 cm in height and about 150-160 in weight. I ski the 180 and love it. I don't think the difference in size between you and I is enough to justify the 188. 180 feels like the way to go in my opinion.
What would your recommendation be on a good touring binding for this ski?
If you can swing it, the new Duke PT from Marker would be pretty ideal. It's a strong binding that I would trust in the park, dropping cliffs, etc, but it also goes uphill well. The Shift (Salomon, Atomic, Armada) is a little lighter and a little less expensive. Not quite as burly, but it could certainly work too.
You guys should do reviews on ON3P skis
I would love to work some in this coming season and will do my best to make it happen!
Skiessentials.com I haven’t seen an in depth video review of many skis from them and it would be awesome to see that!
How fast can you go with this ski? Is it stable for high speeds? And is it good for moguls I’m 5,11 200 lbs what ski do you recommend for a skier who likes to hit high speeds, carve, do moguls and go off trail and wants to get into park skiing like hitting jumps. Skiing mostly the east coast
You can ski it pretty darn fast and aggressively. That's something that always impresses me about this ski. Despite its width and rocker profile, it stays quite composed at higher speeds. It's on the wide end of the spectrum for moguls, but definitely will work. Really good mix of performance for everything you're looking to do. It's a blast in soft snow, can carve, and will let you play around in the park.
Hello, I am 174 and I am thinking about buying a pair of these. My park skis are revolt 95 173cm and for powder days I use a pair of k2 catamaran 177cm, which size would you recommend me? I feel like 172 is a little bit short for charging the whole mountain and specially powder. Thanks in advance!
Definitely a toss up. How much do you weigh? I'm leaning towards 180 since you already have a shorter park ski. With the rocker profile of the 104, 180 shouldn't be too hard to ski and will give you more stability when charging. Obviously 172 would be more playful and more maneuverable, but I get the impression that's not the focus for this pair within your quiver?
Great review! How would you compare these to the Black Crows Atris?
Even though there's not a huge difference in width, I do find the Revolt 104 feels more versatile. Every time I get on the Atris, it feels more like a powder ski to me. A powder ski that can do other stuff, sure, but still a powder ski at heart. The Revolt feels more like a wide all-mountain ski to me. Quicker edge to edge, etc. They're similar in the sense that they're both surfy, smeary, super fun skis, I guess I just get a little hung up on the width.
Great review, do you think a skier who likes off piste skiing and in the trees runs along with fast groomers would like this ski. And how do you think it fairs as a freeride?
Yes, definitely. It's a great choice for an aggressive skier who likes to ski off-piste, but also skis fast on groomers. It's also quite good in deeper snow conditions. It's a very versatile ski.
Hi !great review on the skis. I just bought Revolt104 and marker griffon 13iD . How would you recommend ,mount them .I am intermediate advance skier at183 cm and 87 kg would you recommend , to move 2 cm back?Skiing 70% on piste and 30% out off piste .Thanks
The factory recommended mount point would suit your style of skiing the best.
Hello, what lenght you bought these skis? 180 or 188? Thanks
@@Nevseremos1 180
Great review!! How would you compare these to the Faction prodigy3.0？
Unfortunately I haven't skied the Prodigy 3.0 enough to confidently give you an answer on that...
what do you think about these versus the armada arv 96 ? or the k2 reckoner 102 ?
The Revolt is stiffer than both those skis, most notably in the forebody of the ski and underfoot. That gives is a more stable feel at speed. What's interesting, is it also uses longer rocker than both of those skis, which gives it a fairly unique personality. More stable, but because of the rocker and early taper, you can still butter, smear, skid, etc with ease. It's pretty cool. Great ski for someone who wants some freestyle/freeski performance, but still like to ski fast from time to time.
Is the recommended mounting point true center? And where would u recommend me mounting this for freeriding
No, but it's very close. I would put it right on the Team Recommended line. That's where I skied them and they feel great at that spot. It's a specific rocker/taper shape, so moving the mount point too much isn't the best idea, at least in my opinion.
Hello nice review !! I am a good skier on groomers and i look for a playful ski to start more freeride, touring, all mountain ski and jump. Do you think i can use this ski for a all mountain ski and powder ski? Or another model? And what size (I am 168 cm )
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Hello! Yes, I think the Revolt 104 could work for you. Its rocker profile and the taper shape makes it pretty forgiving and should be a good ski for you to start exploring new terrain. For length, you'll want to go with the 172 cm.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks you for the help. And for the response on this and the other comment !!
How does this compare to the K2 Reckoner 102 and the Liberty Origin 106?
Very similar overall, although it's a little stiffer than both of those skis. Stiffer, but also longer rocker. In a lot of ways, they achieve the same things, but feel different doing so... if that makes sense.
You sold me on these man! Actually this is my first ski purchase after renting and borrowing for close to a decade. Have your thoughts changed on these since your review?
Nope, my thoughts certainly haven't changed. I think it's an awesome ski and to be honest it's a ski I'm looking forward to getting on more this coming winter. I had a ton of fun on it and think you will too!
how would it realistically perform on the park? jumps, rails, etc...
Great, in my opinion. Normally I don't like going quite this wide for a park ski, but I wouldn't have any trouble on the Revolt 104 in the park. Nimble and it's not catchy because of all the rocker. It's not going to be ultra quick for linking a ton of switch ups on rails, but it will work well in the park overall.
Would mounting them true center be relevant or shall I stick to the recommended?
I'm not sure I would very go true center on these because the tip rocker is longer than the tail rocker and I personally don't like to be further forward than the center of camber. You could, however, go pretty darn close to true center. Recommended mount point is already quite forward, especially compared to a more directional ski.
how do these handle in hardpack, ice, and crud/bumps?
Yeah! Not as well as a dedicated firm snow ski, but considering how playful they are, how much float they have, and how versatile they are, they perform admirably on firm snow. Good stability, good edge grip, etc.
Are you guys going to review the new Katana 108?
Planning on it! We don't have it on the schedule in the immediate weeks to come, but we'll get to it for sure.
hello! What is the length of these skis to choose? I am 179 cm tall and weigh about 80 kg, I skate very well. I will ride them in the park, on freeride and on the slopes. that is, everywhere. I want both stability and playfulness
I'd say the 180 is the way to go. Lot of rocker here, so a shorter effective edge. I feel the 172 would feel too short.
Hey guys I am 6’2 and a more intermediate/advance skier just wondering if I should go with the 188 or the 180 i am leading more towards the 188 but would love to see what you guys think thanks.
Hey Kyle! Yeah, at your size, I would probably go 188. The rocker profile of the Revolt 104 is so long in both the tip and tail that it's quite manageable in longer lengths. Then you'll also benefit from increased float and overall stability.
Thanks I really appreciate the response I just ordered them and am looking forward to seeing how they do in some snow
revolt 104 v line blade for all mountain groomers and off trail your thoughts.
Pretty different skis. The Revolt 104 lets you slash and smear turns at will, the Blade wants to rip carves more than anything else, and has a much smaller turn radius.
Seems really similar to the new bacons. Also same mountpoint. How does it compare to them?
Bacons feel a little softer to me. There's actually less rocker in the Bacon too, and less taper. Shorter turn radius too. The Revolt feels a little surfier, if that makes sense.
@@SkiEssentials makes perfect sense as the revolt have basically no chamber in front of the bindings:) looked like that could sacrifice carving performance though. But still super interesting skis
How do they compare to Fischer 102 fr as a daily driver?
The Rangers have more torsional stiffness and more precision. Better edge grip and more stability overall. The Revolts, on the other hand, feel more playful. They also feel more surfy and float a little better in soft snow, but they're not nearly as precise as the Ranger thanks to a much longer rocker profile and more "basic" construction.
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What length did you test? And your height? Just interested if these are better to run short or long?
Thanks
Hey Oliver! I (Jeff) am about 5'10" and skied the 180 cm. Harrison, who's also in this video, is a little taller, about 6'0" even. Even though they have a lot of rocker, I've found they ski pretty true to size, no need to upsize or downsize. They're relatively stiff, so they're still supportive and stable at speed despite the long rocker profile.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks Jeff. Appreciate that, and the review! I'm 174cm so I between sizes, but think the 180 would be the way to go
@@olivercoutts1156 it depends bro what kinda skier you are are you a beginner ? Advanced ? Expert.
For beginners with freestyle skis -5 cm
For advanced with freestyle skis 0
For experts with freestyle skis +5
Wich are the main difference between those skis and the Bent Chetlers 100? They seem very similar to each other...
These are a lot more stable at speeds
I'll echo Austin. The Revolt 104 feels more stable. What's interesting is it also has more rocker than the Bent Chetler 100. The BC 100 is almost more like if they made a wider Revolt 95 and then added HRZN Tech.
If you want a wider park ski go BC if you want a skinnier free ride ski go revolt 104
Is there a possible faction 3.0 review ?
We should be able to work one in over the next few months!
Need a second ski to my line blends, do you think this ski could fullfill a need for offpiste and touring?
For sure. It's also more stable at speed than your Blend and I think in general outperforms it in off-piste terrain and softer snow conditions.
@@SkiEssentials and touring won't be a problem?
@@lucasisdahl7831 Nope, definitely not. A lot of Volkl athletes tested this ski with the Duke PT last year and it works really well.
@@SkiEssentials wonderful, think I might just go with this then
how does it perform in hard packed snow ?
Good
Revolt 104 or K2 reckoner 102 ?
Can't decide
Both are great. I had a lot of fun testing both this past season. The Revolt is stiffer, but has way more rocker. The Reckoner is a lot softer flexing, but still holds an edge well because of how they use carbon. So, kind of which you prefer. I do think most skiers will find the Reckoner more playful, but I think you could make the argument that the Revolt 104 is more versatile. It's a really interesting comparison and I think one that a lot of skiers will be curious about this season.
Bruh when are the faction reviews coming..
Someday, someday. I actually skied a lot of Faction this past year. Not as much as other brands, but a lot more than I have in the previous ~5 seasons.
how does this ski compare with sir francis bacon?
The Bacon is a better floater than the Revolt, and is slightly more flexible. The Revolt has more oomph to it, so there's a higher performance ceiling than the Bacon.
How do these skis
compare to bent 100s
The Revolt 104 has much more rocker, and it also feels a little more stable at speed. The Bent Chetler 100 is super playful, very energetic, etc. They obviously are both designed as freeride/freestyle ski, but there are some pretty big differences in how they feel. More camber in the BC 100, feels a little lighter too, I'd say.
Hopeing for softer tails and more fun
Currently riding the BC 100, do you think it is worth upgrading go the Revolt 104's?
@@gert739 YES!! finally on the revolt 104.. and my thoughts is.. yes! definetly!
sth2 any good for these skis?
For sure! STH2 is a great binding. Really good engagement with your boot and the Driver toe piece is one of the best out there.
I am 14 years old and can somebody tell me if i can go Touring with this ski?
Sure, it's just a bit heavier. Also, skins don't work as well on twin tips as they do other more touring-oriented skis like the Volkl Blaze 106 which has a flatter tail and a skin notch.
Revolt vs the Blaze 106?
Quite a bit different actually. Rocker profile is similar between the two, but the Blaze feels a lot lighter and has a different taper shape. Blaze flexes into different turn shapes more easily too, the Revolt 104 is stiffer, which I assume some people wouldn't expect. Of course there's the twin tip difference too. I suppose you can achieve similar turn shapes/styles on them, but the feel is different.
How would you compare this ski to the Fischer FR 102 ?
The Ranger 102 is lighter and a little more responsive. The flex pattern feels a little more energetic too. The Revolt has really long rocker, which gives it a smeary, drifty feel, but it also has some heft to it, relatively stable at speed. They're bot really playful, really versatile skis, but they do feel different.
Skiessentials.com thanks a lot for your answer - very helpful, appreciate it 👍🏻🙏
@@SkiEssentials I'm also interested about this comparison. I am searchin for a great all around ski for this winter. I am going to do quite a lot of touring wit either of these skis but also gonna have quite many inbound days with harder conditions. I am somehow playful experienced skier, but I also appreciate good aggressive turns. Maybe I could say that I am looking for more playful aspects in the soft snow and performance in harder snow. So these two skis are the ones I am most interested of but can't really decide between them. :D I'm 179cm tall and revolts come in 180 and rangers 177 or 184. Do you have any tips or opinions about this case?
Thanks a lot and thanks for all the videos! Love the content!
@@Jullese Ranger feels more precise on firm snow, more torsional stiffness and more responsiveness. Since you mention firm snow, I'm kind of leaning towards Ranger, but the Revolt isn't necessarily bad on firm snow by any means, just isn't quite as precise or responsive. 177 cm Ranger would work well for your size, or 180 in the Revolt if you decide to go that route. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials yep I was thinking the same but so nice to get your blessing! :D cheers!
can you use them for ski touring
Yes! I think you'll see a lot of skiers using these as touring skis.
Skiessentials.com are the bent chetler 120 not better for this, they are more light?
How well do these carve?
They don't carve like a dedicated carving ski, but considering how playful they are, how fun they are in soft snow, and how much rocker they have, they carve quite well! That was one of the most surprising aspects for me, I didn't expect that much firm snow performance.
@@SkiEssentials thanks a lot
That tail looks awfully soft to this big guy. Guess I'm a boomer.
No helmet?
Harrison and I both ski with helmets. There's a lot of footage of Volkl athletes in this review, some of those guys aren't wearing helmets.
Great ski. Horrible top sheet design.
Just because it’s not your style doesn’t mean you have to hate on it. Someone worked hard to design that skis top sheet.
@@calebolson6500 Well said, but its his opinion, there are different tastes all around... i really like the new design. But what about the faction prodigy 3.0 2019/2020 ( if i remember well) for example? the black ones with a pink cassette and headphones, really hard to apreciate that style ... anyway , specs are the important thing