The US navy’s missing fighter - The NATF-23 Sea Widow
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If you think you’ve seen everything with the experimental YF-23, you’re wrong. There was one more other design…
It was to be the Navy’s 5th gen multirole aircraft.
Stealthy, maneuverable, and ready to hit that highway to the danger zone.
But it would face political opposition, technical challanges, and even lockheed trying to steal the future jet crown for a 2nd time!
Join me today on a story of the aircraft that Maverick should’ve flown in the latest Top gun - and why we never got it!
This is incredible the NATF-23.
Without spoiling the Top Gun Mavrick for anyone who hasn’t seen the movie yet, Maverick and his band of elite navy pilots fly the Super Hornets in the latest Top gun sequel.
Seriously just go watch it - it has the official found and explained stamp of approval.
And for those of you who watched it already you might be asking yourself how it could’ve been better… well I have the answer.
Air force’s ATF or Advanced tactical fighter program was launched during late 80s to create America’s first 5th gen aircraft and YF-22 and YF-23 were the main competitors with the YF-22 taking the edge and becoming what we know today as F-22 Raptor.
I have a full video on the YF-23 right here on the channel which you can watch… but there was a footnote to this story.
Northrop wasn’t going to accept the loss and went over to the Navy with a proposal that could’ve changed everything.
Navy was looking for a 5th gen aircraft for themselves to replace the aging F-14 tomcats, and what could be the spearhead for the future of the naval air force.
But requirements for the naval aircraft are different than the regular air force’s jets so YF-23 in its original form wasn’t going to do the job.
Instead, several very significant modifications were to be done to the fuselage, almost creating a completely new aircraft, barely resembling its predecessor.
By 1990 the N-ATF program was launched with you’d probably guess it, lockheed also was in on the race. They presented the F-22N, the naval version of the Raptor which would be the competition for the NATF-23.
The showdown of the future navy jet was on!
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Canards were a bad move. Would have been better to keep the original YF-23 design and give those large pivoting tail fins the ability to flatten out on take off to provide extra lift. This extra vector of movement would have also given the plane even more agility and manouverability and even allow for vertical alignment like the F-15 which I believe would allow for more stability during super cruise. No need to change anything from Air force to Navy. Give me the trillion dollar contract. I'll fix it.
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@@Gurumeierhans pov ur just bad 💀💀
Sea Widow had got to be one of the coolest names for a plane of all time
Sea witches for the wild weasel squads 😝
The best name would be evil spirits 😉
The Su-57 Felon and F-22 Raptors are, to me, the coolest ones for jets currently being used. Hard to beat either name
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Been waiting for this beauty! Northrop had the better plane, but they had nobody but themselves to blame. The B-2 overruns ruined their reputation in that era.
yea, and no peer to peer nation to challenge means the risk of cost overrun was not worth it. Although I love YF-23, I do agree that F-22 was the better choice
Honestly I feel like if the budget wasn't an issue we could have had both the F-22 and F-23 in service with one eventually becoming the main craft.
The YF-22 and YF-23 had their strengths, like much better maneuverability, slightly lower costs vs slightly better range, speed, and stealth, Raptor was the better plane and better for filled the goals for the ATF, but Black Widow was very much missed... probably would have been a better interceptor due to it losing the maneuverability battle to Raptor (all though still better than everything else) it was slightly faster, could fly slightly further, and was slightly more stealthy (smaller than the Raptor's marble/bumblebee sized RCS). YF-23, or the production F-23 makes sense as a extremely high performance fighter interceptor, where F-22 would be a extremely high performance air superiority fighter, complementing each other.
Just my thoughts...
The f23 was definitely not better lmao
@@carlosandleon as a pure stealth plane it was
@@zXPeterz14 F22 is stealthy enough. If the F22 had the radar cross section of a rat and a the F23 an ant. The difference is not worth it.
9:10 - this issue wasn't so easily "fixable" as one would suggest. The rotary carrier's jammability is inherent to the rotary design. In a dedicated bomber the stresses on the rotary's system would be marginal as bombers don't really pull heavy G loads. on a fighter the stresses can be significant. If there is a malfunction on the mechanics that can scrap the whole mission. There is a reason the system hasn't been put into actual combat use.
Also doesn't the rotary system inherently increase weight because of the various complex parts, which is a decisive factor when it comes aircraft. Even if it is hypothetically 100% foolproof I doubt designers would still want to put them on smaller jets
They should have put the same missile launchers as the f-22 then
The main design leader of the time for the F-23 was a stacked magazine. Not a rotary launcher
I was born in 87 and followed these aircraft since a young age. My Uncle was a USAF flight instructor and he would've enjoyed this. Amazingly good video! Production quality off the charts, great work!
The Grim Reapers made this video in DCS: World. LIterally NO production value whatsoever. It's video game footage. :D
@@RobertLegereIII just because you're mad that the F-23 is still talked about 🤣😂 it's not just video game footage, and there's also narration 🧠 I love the F-22 and it's my opinion that we should shop the F-23 around to our Asian Allies. That way we're not sharing proprietary information, and they still get a 5th gen carrier capable fighter. Think about Thailand with these on their next carrier.
I have heard so many stories about why the YF-23 never got picked over the YF-22 for USAF service. Northrop lacked the capacity to build both the B-2 and the YF-23. Lockheed was in better financial shape. The YF-22 was determined to have better maneuverability., but the YF-23 didn't get a fair chance to demonstrate its maneuverability for the Air Force brass, because the test pilot wasn't given instructions to push the YF-23 to its limits. but the Lockheed pilot was. And finally, the Air Force leadership just plain hated the team at Northrop. I have no idea which story is true.
Theres a few reasons, alot of weird little ones to, like having to replace those rear heat tiles, and just the overall look of it. But yeah the raptor launched a missile during one of its tests, wich it wasnt asked to do, and that for some reason had alot of people hyped. The way it looked was just to alien for out brass and out current doctrine at the time, they were probably confused by it. Yeah the rear tails gave it a 60 degree aoa. The manueverability thing isnt what i heard, what i heard is they did a missile test. But they probably did show off its vectoring to. If the yf-23 pilots would of done some tricks, wich they could of the smooth underside of the 23 was ahead of its time also, it could definitly have done some impressive aoa tricks if it wanted, and launched a missile. Its a shame they didnt, but rcs data has this plane alot better than the raptor, from what they say.
@@profo4544 Sorry: "aoa"???
@@profo4544 Do you think Northrop could sell the YF-23 to other countries with maybe nerfed tech inside it? I just want to see the plane fly again.
@@brianjob3018 angle of attack
@@gtd9536 It probably definitly deserves to fly again, but the iteration we saw most likely not. Because they could tweak the airframe even more now probably and those heat tiles i dont think are much of an issue anymore, im pretty sure we could replace the entire sections with a single panel nowadays instead of having to go tile by tile. Also the paint, it used the same paint the raptor used wich got phased out, the f-35 uses panels wich are going into the new raptors, they would have to make the new yf-23s with these panels. But otherwise, technology and chips have only gotten smaller, so we could fit more inside that plane then we could in the 80s, way more, we have way more accurate methods of making materials, cutting metals. Idk about selling it to other countrys, i heard japan was interested. But if they took the plans and remade the same plane now, it would be way better, tighter tolerances, stronger parts, it would dominate even more. I think the f-35 is cool, but we dont really have an interceptor, the whole point of the yf-23 was to loiter high above and move really fast, its a mach 2.0+ fighter, it would be cool to see the us release a fleet of advanced yf-23s as some type of interceptor role.
Lol, the meme about the 5th gen jet should've had Northrop Grumman running from Lockheed Martin
somewhere in the multiverse there is a earth where the yf-23 won, with northrop and a competant mcdonell douglas worked together to bring the plane up to commissioning within 5 years, and till this date, still produces it without any overshooting of the budget
I think it is safe to conclude that with Northrops handling of B-21 being on time and under budget that would have carried over to the F-23.
*Monkey's Paw Curse:* We got both the ATF F-23 and NATF F-23, but the winner of the JSF is the X-32
"That there's a mig-31."
"No. A mig-31 looks nothing like that."
"Yessir. I saw that there Clint Eastwood documentary where he stole one."
"You-get out of my house."
Such an interesting video, YF-23 frontal profile seriously influenced the Su-57 design, looks like china also took the data from Mig 1.44, F-35 and NAFT-23 and smashed them into the J-20 design Canards and all.
I watched a video that said the yf 23 was inspired by a Russian design that they bought just after the cold war.
Simply awesome! Both NATF concepts were leaps and bounds ahead of the Super hornet. The 23 NATF was a radical, and gorgeous design capable of serving today, and we'll into the future.
23 NATF's stealth design is obsolete when compared to NGAD's enhanced stealthy continuous edge line design.
@@valenrn8657In my layman's opinion, stealth isn't that important for the VF mission.
As good as the NATF concepts were, the Super Tomcat would have been good enough.
@@javieriniguez1444 NATF-23 was rejected by USN.
Requesting videos on the following:
-switchblade aircraft designs such as the FA-37 Talon from the ‘05 movie “Stealth” or the X-02 Wyvern from the Ace Combat franchise
-Super Tomcat-21 and ASF-14
-the NATF program as a whole
-early ATF proposals
-Sea Apache
-F-20 Tigershark
-forward swept wings
What? Seaweed? I'm already in LOVE with this thing. Looks just as great as the original YF23.
It was a modified YF-23 rival to the F-22
10:47 And honestly in war, true war. All your best equipment, tooling, is gobbled up in the opening act. If your reliant on super high tech. That stuff is gone, or at best a long time out. Keeping stuff like this around is gold.
On Su-57 and YF-23 similarity, i think its more coincidental. Su-57 is more like evolutionary step of Flanker.
Also similar requirement (maneuverability and stealth) can resulting on convergent design which explaine why 2 podded engine design look similar.
Also NATF-23 side profile look more like Su-47 than Su-57
Sorry, but the Russians always copy airplanes, the Russians did not create even 1 airplane themselves.
CY57 radars are capable of 0.1 reading, F18 it is 0.1...
The proportions were taken from the F23 engines.
The CY27 is a copy of the (American) NA 335 AIRAFT design, with the fuselage as the main wing.
The CY57 is not a 5th generation aircraft, it has an engine that is a French conversion, an engine that is a son of american engine motor used in the A-10 aircraft. These engines were bought by the of Superjet passenger planes and secretly put in their CY57s, these engines do not develop supersonic speed without afterburner!!!!!
There are screw heads on the fuselage that the radar can see. This is 4++++ not more.
@@swordsman1137 SU47 is a copy from American X models...
A quarter of the show is an add for a pay to play game. I found it and explained it.
With the F/A 18F being my all time favorite plane, I'm glad it's here to stay for a while longer. If possible I'd like to see a video on what a possible stealth hornet would be like. I've always wanted to see a stealth F/A 18 or at least an idea, assuming you keep most of the main visual features.
Have you heard if the F-15SE? It was a version of the F-15 strike eagle, but stealthier.
Whole no one bought it, it's a cool little known fact. I'm not sure about a stealth F/A-18E/F, but if you look into it you might be able to find out if there was one.
The Super Hornet was already designed with stealthy features
how are you gonna make it stealth without changing visual features? what's to see if you did achieve it without changing visuals.
@@RobertLegereIII What I mean is keeping the same overall design (Diamond intakes, large LEX (leading edge extensions), same landing gear set up (tho tricky if trying to add a weapon bay) What I was imagining was an F18 with a similar nose shape to the F22, Jagged edged rudders, removable weapons bays (That would be similar to the F15's removable fuel tanks)
The super Hornet is probably the most stealthy 4th Gen rn so this is the best ur ur gonna get
as the mightybjorn once said: "The most dangerous threat to a tank (in this case any military asset like a plane here) is a politician."
Ive seen that "FBI raid" meme 100's of times. But this was the first time I actually laughed out loud from it😂. The way you used it was pure Gold😁👍
Absolutely awesome! There is nothing like a fighter designed and built for the Navy. I'm not talking about adaptations of land based designs like the Hornet, Super Hornet, Rafale, F-35, and the Flanker. Both NATF designs were true naval fighters in the tradition of the F-8, F-4, and F-14. It is truly a shame there is so much corruption in the DOD. The USN might've fielded the NATF instead of being roped into the JSF program.
6:38 RCS stands for RADAR cross section. For the rear specifically it would be R2CS or Rear RCS.
came to post this haha
I didn't see this before commenting myself. I should have scrolled a bit more.
So the Navy grumbles about the canards, and then modifies an old plane that will be much less stealthy, than the one with the canards? Sounds about right.
But look how the canard are at an angle. It has a small increase because more things to reflect but the change that they would do mutch is wrong. The chance you reflect mutch to an Aircraft is very small. Also the small increase is nothing what a little Ram could not solfe
Wownoteven watched 1Minute and there is a cool detail.. On the NATF-23 cockpit is the name of Toni "Brick" Wilson.... "Brick" is Lockheeds F-35 Pilot and I had the pleasure to meet him in person and get a ride in the F-35A simulator at the "Zigermeet" airshow in Mollis (Canton Glarus /Switzerland) 2019.
We didnt expect a meme in a middle of Military documentary.....
I really wish they would build a modernized version of the YF-23
Goose was a RIO not a wingman. Iceman was the wingman.
True and goose died haha
This could be the worthy replacement of the F14 Tomcats as a dedicated stealth interceptor/fighter.
Man, this plane looks like something an orange obsessed maniac would *predictably* fly
It does look like the VX-23.
I was at Edwards Air Force Base during the ATF program.
My biological father worked on the YF-23 and the A-12 program.
I havent even started the video , but can say the level of animation is GOD like
Would surely like to learn this from you
Love your channel. You really do have some of the coolest graphics of any RUclips channel out there. Keep up the good work.
It’s funny how it kinda resembles the FB-22 with canards
would like to point out that even if we got the NATF-23, Top Gun: Maverick would've still used the two seat F/A-18 so the film camera could be placed in the cockpit. That is why TG:M never really used the F-35B, only one seat
note: im writing this at the start of the vid, so if he mentions this, then oh well
Exactly. It's obvious from the production. That's why for me, the first top gun cannot be topped. It was actually a plausible situation, whereas I have to turn off my aviation brain watching Maverick
Black Widow, Sea Widow, Rainbow Widow, Golddigger Widow, Flirty Widow, Mad Widow , Rarely Caressed Widow...... whatever you like about Widow making, it's up to you
Can see bits of several different jets in this including the Yf23, f22, f35, f18, and the nasa f15 stol. Pretty interesting concept.
Honestly even the redesign is menacing and sleek
Although the original is every sleek and simple
Love the designs
They forgot f35s have laser targeting pot. They forgot about the b2s. They forgot growler could be suppressed enemy air defences once your tomahawk have alerted enemy to your presence. They most big mistake was the tomahawk that hit enemy air base with out getting intercepted could’ve also be programmed to hit the nuclear facility. If they insist on “the gps thing” stopping them using b2s or f35, they could have also used sf to paint the target.
So many amazing channels uploaded today.
But a found and explained video...
That's the cherry on top of it all.
Thank you so much 😀
Yes I’ve been waiting for this one looks like the base design the mig bureau used for the mig 1.44 that the Chinese used for the j-20 which indirectly means the design is still alive
"why don't you be my Goose to my Maverick." in the intro sounds like something I'd imagine would be a pick up line in a gay bar.
The animation and cinematics are getting Better.... Good job F&E
Thanks! Considering I’m one guy doing all the 3d I think I’m doing ok
@@FoundAndExplained becoming good at it... Keep it up
And btw I want you to make a video on Skylon and the freedom ship... Go look it up
I've been playing warthunder for 4 years now it takes time and patience but you will love it
I don’t want to spoil the video “Maverick was successful” 😂😂😂😂 so glad i saw it day one
Where did you get the design details on the NATF-23? Great video
This machine looks like a Chengdu J-20 and an F-35 got their freak on in a hangar over at Skunk Works and had a baby. (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
Thanks for sharing mate.
Ahh, no wonder the SU-57 is such a beauty. It is inspired by the Widow. 😍
The ST-21 super tomcat would have been better than the super hornet, but it was a cold warrior before the new cold war got started.
That intro was amazingly well animated!
Look! Its the VX-23.
"Play along side me." sounds better than "Play with me."
I’d love to see a video on the yf-12
that intro alone was amazing!
this is the sexiest fighter aircraft I've ever seen.
6:36 RCS is Radar Cross Section, not rear cross section!
6:34 "probably to lower the RCS or rear cross section."
*RCS is Radar Cross Section.*
Wow!! This us a beast . First time seeing this prototype
The Super Hornet is just an unfortunate continuation of the trend at the time of trying to make a tactical fighter into a one-size-fits-all strike platform. It led to the loss of any light bomber platform in the force with the retirement of the F-117A in the early 2000's. This is ironic because the future of warfare looks to be favoring airframes more similar to light bombers than tactical fighters. The range requirements in the Pacific in particular are very challenging for today's tactical fighters.
LETS GOOOO you finally released it
should do the experimental F-22 variants family ie. X-44 Manta, Navy F22, and FB-22
It wasn't just that the Navy was over budget by the end of 1991, it was that the Soviet Union ceased to be a main adversary by the end of 1991.
Be the Goose to your Maverick? I don't want to break my neck when the canopy doesn't open after a reckless pilot causes a compressor stall. No thank you!
Nice Work. Why you don´t make a video above the MBB Lampyridae, the german Stealth-Plane, that was better than the F-117A?
Love the GRIM REAPERS logos on the planes - my other favorite channel 😃
Where did you get the music also keep up the good work i love your videos
Can you make a video on the A-12
looks a bit like my Ultra Raptor FA-22 . ( see channel .) loving this design .
YES! I’ve been saying the SU-57 looks like the YF-23 and other than the back it’s pretty much the same aircraft.
Nosecone shape, engine placement. Thats it
There is in Google, a Swedish stealth fighter designs. One a single engine version and two engine version and at first it looks like the Rafale from the front but it has the canted tails like the YF-23. I just imagine a carrier based version of this design which has three internal bays and six wing stations.
There are official government announcements. Sweden and Japan have joined UK's Tempest program.
try less rigid air pressurized wings for less total weight of air planes, even tube fuselage with air pressure
You should do a video about the F22 Sea Raptor. It was a very cool looking aircraft, and its kinda related to this video.
I shed tears of joy during the opening sequence of Top Gun Maverick. Pure nostalgia and all the feels.
thank you
Wouldn’t the vectored thrust of the F-22 make it a logical basis for a Navy fighter? Did both designs fail simply because of budget overruns?
>Intake above the wing
>So when it stalls you also loose engine power, and make it unrecovereable.
Beautiful
Oh hold my spot I need to get my computer, back up and running, I'll be EDGE to your Blaze.
Your graphics are fantastic.
Couldn't help but notice the decals. Do you fly with GR?
If you start now it will take you 69,420 years before you can get the F-14
The NATF-23!? Suddenly, my birthday wish list just got longer... (Too bad this Gen-5 aircraft never saw the light of day. )
F 14 tomcat replacement:
Norhtrop: 5th gen fighter
Navy: Boeing F 18 hornet
Imagine having an replacement that is even weaker than what it is replacing.
That Lockheed meme is genious
Love that you support war thunder!! I play it and love it too, ld be up to run some missions do some runs with you and I have the p-400 aswell and it's good as!!
contrary to popular belief these to countries defense giants sometime trade with each other. I do believe they actually bought the specs of 23 just like usa bought yak vtol specs for their 35.
Pull the wings to the back a little to resemble F-22 (effectively make it a delta wings), add a small nearly-vertical stabilizer under the rudder... Bamm... We got J-20 😅
Do you think you could possibly do a video of the bae systems Tempest 6th generation fighter jet for the raf and other European counties, as I think that would be really cool and interesting
I love the video since the first seconds.
9:07 hmm yes my radar defeating plane needs to have a bunch of missiles jutting from its wings and thereby defeating the entire purpose of stealth
Dont think it would have been so stealthy with those canards at the front.
The Model is awesome!!!! would you do one on comission?
Nice info in the plane, even though the video is mostly about War Thunder.
Can I get the song name at 0:47, please?? It sounds so good.
By the way, love the animation of the pilot.
I can guarantee the Admirals saw the canards and said "Nope"
I can’t with the Lockeed raid!!!! Lol
Government loves shooting down cool aircraft like the F-23 Black Widow 2 and F-23 Sea Widow, when it's made by Northrop!
Imagine maverick and hangman each with their own f-23s against the su-57s in the movie
Waited 20+ years, to get a barely capable Lockheed product.
I can say this for Lockheed....unlike the products they eventually field, their P.R. and sales teams, are head and shoulders above the competition.
Barely capable? Um....NO!!!. When I first heard congressional leaks concerning cost over runs and the reported design short commings of the 35. I was really not a fan. BUT, in the light of day, pilots who were skeptical of the jet before flying it have become its staunchest supporters. Apparently, it is capable of far more in performance than was widely believed. The "cost over runs" are largely attributable to the way the f 35 was designed and built. An entire industry protocol was developed to rapidly produce aircraft from concept to prototype in record time. This will pay dividends on future aircraft programs. The 35 is designed to be"upgradeable" in most every facet of its weapons, weapons control systems, and avionics.The YF 23 and F 22 are not. Future costs to rapidly upgrade the 35 will come at a substantial savings over previous aircraft. The production related costs alone, will continue to serve other programs well into the future.
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The point WAS, at the time of the fly-off, the aircraft were to go into production!
Northrup, had an assembly facility, being readied for the possibility.
Lockheed had a decade of finalizing thier design...using many components, commandeered from the YF-23's advanced avionics suite.
Took Lockheed all that time, to finally get thier product, capable, for production. Cost overruns meant, that buying more fighters, was now out of the question. Starting up assembly lines now, is out of the question, since components in the craft, were made in the 80's & 90's and they've not been made since (Technology has advanced).
Lockheed's delay, was because they had a barely capable craft, at the time of the fly-off, and heavily "Donated" to appropriations committee members, re-election campaigns.
@@jerrypadilla4384 The YF 23 was competing with the YF 22, NOT the F 35. The YF 23 was a proposed air superiority fighter. NOT a multi role strike fighter. The version proposed for the navy was still an air superiority fighter, NOT a multi role strike fighter. As previously stated, The YF 23 did not have the advanced weapons integration systems of the YF 35. Nor did the YF22. Those aircraft were not designed to be extensively upgraded. F 35 was. The F 35 is getting cheaper by the day as 14 nations have started receiving aircraft. The F 35 doesn't need to be the fastest or most maneuverable. It's strength is its numbers and its cross platform data sharing. It can shoot down an enemy using a Sam site miles away from its location, or a ship borne weapons system. It simply overwhelms the enemy in numbers and weapons capability. It is the only U.S. fighter capable of shooting down an enemy located behind it. "Off Bore" weapons capability is one of its strong suits. It also works better with the B1 Lancer than any other U.S. platform. I get tired of " Fanboyism", and wish people would stick to the FACTS not here say. NOW HERE THIS!!! THE YF23 AND THE F 35 ARE NOT COMPETING PLATFORMS. THE F 35 IS A MULTI ROLE STRIKE FIGHTER TO REPLACE THE F16/ A4 TYPE AIRCRAFT. THE YF 23, like the 22 WAS TO REPLACE F15s and additionaly (unlike the 22) FA/18s. The YF 23, as a U.S. air superiority fighter, was never intended for export. The F35 was. It is a multi national replacement for the F16/ A4/ Harrier.
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The 35, was ANOTHER overpriced P.O.S. product, by Lockheed. It won, because it's competitor was one of the UGLIEST jet aircraft ever made. (Looked like a pregnant manta ray) But, it still was potentially better, than the 35. Again, Lockheed's P.R. team, outsold the competition. And it was helped, by the pure aesthetics, of the offensive looking aircraft, flying against thiers.
LIKE the YF-22 & YF-23 fly-offs, Lockheed took another decade, to fine tune an aircraft, that was supposed to go into production, upon award of contract.
@@jerrypadilla4384 Your a hopeless misinformed fanboy. Looks don't mean shit, F the 23, it failed to perform as did the YF 32. SORRY, that is fact. I don't have time for emotional B.S. eating fanboys.
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Have you done a video on the Boeing bird of prey?