Te juro , hay una gran diferencia entre decir " si , necesitan más lecciones de canto " a decirles que son unas inútiles y que no merecen estar donde están o cosas peores..
Lesserafim doesnt need criticism from kpop stans lmfao, they only critism they need to get are from the actual people TEACHING them, yall kpop fans dont even need to be talking on them
Yeah I totally agree and 100% on the board of giving criticism for bad performance; But personally attacking and insulting the idols is just going too far at that point which is pretty much hate.
@@terrylondon5418sorry but kpop is a business with fans as customers, with your idea then fans shouldn't speak when their idols are mistreated either bcos it's the company job to do everything (as if they can even be trusted) their teachers can be wrong or the company could cut down on crucial training that could end up permanently harming their vocals so if ppl watching esp veteran fans or ppl in those vocal professions themselves see something wrong they can criticise. You can keep quiet as hot choose tho that's ur freedom
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
@@dadaad-g3othe jealousy reeks. It's them choices. If the haters are offended they had to wake up early for school...that's on them. That's their choice for pleasing their parents..being competitive in school. That's not Enchae's fault. Koreans are bullies no matter where they are..be it online..be it in school...be it in their job
In Korea, they are being called a "national disgrace" and "they should apologize." Every time LE SSERAFIM makes a comeback, people in Korea start watching and looking for flaws. They're treating them like criminals. HYBE doesn't take slander seriously. It's so sad. LE SSERAFIM is a very charming group that other groups don't have. It's only been two years since their debut. I can't forgive some of the malicious BLINKS.
As a Korean, the crude comments written by Korean haters are The REAL "national disgrace"... I'm really ashamed. I feel sorry for international fans who are offended by all the hate.
Yup I literally watched a non kpop fan react to their performance bc they were curious as to why they were getting so much hate and they said ppl were exaggerating, like yeah they could be more stable but most artists in the US sound just as unstable and they aren’t even dancing and singing at the same time, they’ve seen rapers just as unstable even though they’re barely moving on stage
Yes me too. I’m not even their fans but I don’t think they did bad. Also I think it’s those toxics blink who think only BP girls should perform at Coachella and no other kpop groups should perform there. These ntzs are so so toxic and crazy.
i'm a non kpop fan and i thought they sounded horrendous. and the fact that people were actually defending it is the reason why i'll remain a non kpop fan.
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
@@dadaad-g3o I just watched a short about that and I think we all know (or at least people who are mature) that being an idol is the hardest job no different than being a slave but also thinking she is just 17 a teenager an age where its really hard to tell the diff b/w good or bad and i just think that people shouldn't be so hard on a 17yr old girl maybe her intention weren't wrong but she worded it wrong?
@@TXT4thgenleaders25 As you know, she earned billions won right now. And she will get more money much more easiely than most of us. And one of the reason she can achieve that life is she's became a singer. And she said she have a good and easy life compared to other people when she's not enough for her professional qualities? It makes them angry of course. And also as you said she's still young and she's treated like a baby in the group. But other students in her age are supposed to choose their careers, and study hard for their life. So the truth is actually jealousy become hates. But there's some of her faults too.. i guess. And also people told that most of haters are other boygroup fans. They just glad that le serrafim attacked by bunch of people. So, it's not easy to solve this situations for le serrafim.
Haha this one is very true 😅 LESSERAFIM didn't take the credit of what their faves have done but they still insisting. They are bullying not give criticism. Haysss
comparing by example is needed though. lsf will not improve if they are only statisfied just by how it is now. coachella is the biggest musics and arts festival in the world and the world is not only about them but also my ear and my eyes. as sakura clrarify about their coachella in her weverse that she is very statisfied and this is their best performance, its just made me think they will not improving.
@@down-kg8mt it's good to have a healthy comparison but what the majority is doing they are bullying the girls! And about sakuras letter you guys taks it in a wrong way! Just please open your mind more so can understand it better. Remember they are not copeting to others! She said thats her best performance bcuz the only competition that she take is to bes the best version of herfself so if she say She did better bcuz it's true she improve so much from admitting that she doesn't have a beatiful voice and now performing to a coachella that a lot of people Praise Her even the bullies 💅
Half of the people who are spreading so much hate about le sserafim are not fans. Like I saw people make whole Twitter accounts tweet and retweet every single negative tweet about them. Like those people need to get a life! I am okay with criticism but the pure hate they got for the performance was so uncalled for and they truly don't deserve it
@@aeondale011 Yes it is kpop stans and it's sad. I'll be honest and say I don't like BlackPink I don't care for their music but I don't go around posting hate comments under video's and tweets. I just don't watch it it's really simple. I'd rather spend my energy supporting groups I love
There was literally a commenter on another video saying how Eunchae is talentless. Imagine taking time out of your day to criticize a 17 year old? Not only that, but be wrong because Eunchae is arguably the best dancer in the group which is talent
Bruh the people spreading hate and criticism would obviously not be fans. Tbh Lesserafim fans are delusional asf and think of Lesserafim as the greatest singers and performers or smth when they are not. They are not even criticizing the Coachella performance. They still the think that the performance was great
Not really actually. If your making negative judgements then providing examples or ideas that can solve those problems, it means your criticizing with good faith and criticizing the right way. If your making negative judgements over and over without providing any examples or ideas to fix those negative judgements, then your criticizing in bad faith and are clearly only looking to be toxic and spread hate.
@@kurokurt5477 Exactly. Saying they need to fix their choreography so it doesn't hinder their singing abilites is criticism. Saying they are talentless and can't sing to save their lives is hate.
Sorry but posting "criticism" on their instagram, RUclips, tik tok, twitter is just hate. Because at the end of the day, why the hell would anyone take "criticism" from literal strangers. They get enough of that from their staff. You know, people paid to criticize them aka give them feedback and guide them to be better artists.
Actually comparing the first and second week, I like the first week more. The raw performance and energy just made it so lively. The raw vocals made me more drawn to it than 2nd week. I’m looking forward to NJ next year.
@@l0velyfl0wer so s***shaming a minor,de@th threats,spamming disgusting things on someone's insta account, m@king innapropriate and disgusting comments about a minor ,attacking someone's family,Sending someone gr@pe treaths,bodysh@ming someone for not having a small waist is not considerd as bullying or h@rassing?
@@l0velyfl0wer I saw quiet a few comments that hated on Sakura for being Japanese. That was just one of many "points". People really enjoyed bullying everyone that had to say nice things. That is not okay. In the end a lot of that was jealousy because their "fav" was not invited or does not have that success. I get the frustration - but instead of promoting their favs and make sure that next chance is their favs they found more joy in bullying.
@@jake_outdid the MINORITY of kpop stans send death threats and gross comments to these idols and you know that. And they do that regardless of the lsfrm situation. Regarding the lsfrm situation, gross comments wouldn’t be sent to a minor if a minor wasn’t in the group to begin with. Do you think the company even care about the wellbeing of these idols? No, they’re simply using these young girls for money.
it's funny how people hating and bullying on le sserafim based on the clip they saw while the actual people that pays almost $500 to coachella praised them after watching their entire performance
Люди заплатили розраховуючи, що будуть справді артисти які вміють співати і танцювати, а їх обманули, бо на сцені були не артисти, а просто дівчатка які вибігли на сцену попригати і покричати! Треба в суд подати на hube за вкрадені 500доларів!😅
Kpop stans specially some Girl Group stans were crazy. These people wanted their favs, some wanted their favs to return and Le sserafim was actually being praised for their stage until their song perfect night got super popular. Sakura and Chaewon already being famous and Eunchae being so loved and adored by industry as MC and her Show Eunchae star diary, Yunjin's solo projects been hot topic since like 100 days of their debut and kazuha been praised for her stage presence and her long ballet history, Kpop Stans were already mad that these girls were doing good. I do believe They will grow but the hate this time wasn't just for the live stage, It was for everything, It was for Le Sserafim starting to be more popular then their favs, It was simply the fact that Eunchae was getting loved and It can be seen cause Criticism and Bully are totally different. Stating that they sounded bad live while they were dancing hard-core choreo and singing completely live with no AR, No loud backtrack maybe constructive criticism, I also believe that some of them need proper vocal training and I do know that Some of them never sang before the group so It will take time. But Constructive Criticism should have stayed there not reached their personal insta where These grown up.people were calling names to a 17 year old under her comment section. It should not have reached on straight up sl*shaming these girls, Asking kazuha and sakura to retire, calling yunjin fake, liar, And what not. Like I have actually watched these girls stages since debut, I actually got interested in them because of their live stages and performance so If these kpop stans telling me they are bad performers is something I don't agree cause I have seen them live and they are good live even for a group that wasn't even 2 years. I actually think Source music became one of the huge problem.for the girls as Their hate started from Easy like why would you guys give these girls a song that was not on their comfort label, and why in year of 2024 with all of the sensitive issues and people around would they chose that filming location like it was weird and I also believe these girls are extremely overworked. But I actually praise them to come out and have courage to sing live in an industry when fans can't tell if the artists is singing live or lipsyncing or using loud backtrack cause they are so used to professionally trained lipsyncers, loud back track, AR and what not. Also People need to realise that BP last Year also used Loud Backtrack on what 7th year of their career, Ateez also has back support and same for most of kpop idols and performers in general. I can prolly count on my fingers, how many groups can actually sing 100% live and perform the tough choreo with stable vocal and hitting every notes and there are not many who can do it cause it actually takes like years and years of practice, Years of experience. Comparing BP with huge tour experiences and Ateez with huge tour experience to a GG who only has like a small Asia tour on their bag with so many less years of experience as a group with a literal 17 years old present in the group is insane but y'all just turn blind eye when it's not your fav group. I do believe they will learn and improve and I hope this time Source will act maturely and actually take some action against people who have lost their mind, I really hope on seeing some lawsuits and action from them cause these girls don't deserve it. Amd for kpop stans who are so used to their idols apologising for literally nothing and making themselves feel.small.and pity, I admire Sakura for her transparency and her courage. Also Haters pointing out the fact that Sakura never want to grow further or such She actually said she does want to grow into better self and as a group as well.. So IdK what you talking about. PS: I am not a fearnot, I only stan one kpop act but always casually listen groups and watch performances and some variety show but the hate against these girls was getting so out of hand I really just couldn't stand it. Kpop stans never learn!
Actually they got a lot of hate since debut. Kim Garam, remember? There were a lot of stuff they were attacked over. One of the last was a member with a Starbucks cup at someone's concert. They are HYBE's first girlgroup and as such expectations and hate is big. Because it is imposssible that they are as good as artists from the Big3 to those haters. Doesn't help that they are using a different vocal technique to every other Idol and people believe that this is bad. Everyone else sings - or tries to - like (I believe) Cho Yong-pil. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've been performing in concerts and music festivals like this for so many years and I can totally understand, imagine and feel what they're probably experiencing up on that stage, especially the technical ones, plus the fact that they were performing with an actual live band (a killer of a band, I might say), plus the cheers/screams coming from the audience, plus it being a big tent/outdoor event, it can definitely drown out the audio coming from their in-ears and it will also affect how you deliver out your voice. (unless you have heavy backtrack playing alongside you so you can easily put yourself back on the normal volume release and tone of your voice) And they're not even tone-deaf. Yes, there's some minor slip-ups in some notes but that's expected in these kinds of events, and that's okay and makes it natural, very human and raw as well, but still not to the point of being called tone-deaf or off-key. (which a lot of these haters and non-fans keep misusing, which totally frustrates me as a musician and singer) And again, the hype-singing, for the people who are NOT-well-versed in music performances especially in music festivals and outdoor concerts with this "shouting/screaming" that these girls were doing (as these "critics" have been saying), it's a stylistic approach in music in live concerts, hyping people up and changing the way you sing from the original way. Or sometimes, you do the second voice instead of the original. It's pretty normal, especially in music festivals like this where you hype up the crowd and interact and entertain the audience. Plus, Coachella is mostly a party vibe where you can dance or just sit or lie down and drink, etc, and not a "concert" like the usual in domes, etc. Sadly, today's generation (and mostly those that are just exposed in Kpop music programs only) wants performers to sound exactly like the CDs. (which makes it boring, imo) And the group was only using very minimal backtrack as support to add extra voices and music and guide for their timings. And they're dancing with heavy choreography. The sad (and maybe funny) thing as well is that most of the people giving "constructive criticism" don't know anything about music at all. They're only listeners, but suddenly they've become "voice experts" or "Music Festival 101 masters", while lying down on a couch scrolling their phones and doing nothing or other stupid things and wasting their lives. They actually don't know the long, hard work and practice that go behind every little piece of music that artists put out, especially live. Those people just have demented minds, enjoying that feeling of criticizing others and sending hate, their kind of way of escape from their own miserable lives. And let's not forget the hive/herd mentality of these people, especially the ones sending hate to artists or any other person. Anyway, I actually applaud Le Sserafim for doing what they did. They really applied what an actual real, raw, live performance should be like and with a band that are actually, actually playing live that aren't done much in Kpop nowadays that have depended too much on backtracks (And no, I didn't say all of Kpop, before you all get triggered.) add to the fact that they were dancing all throughout for almost an hour, and in that LA heat and strong winds. You're either ignorant about music or in actually playing live music among a big crowd of people or just straight-up hater if you can't see those big merits that they have done in their performance. Or you're simply just toxic. Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, everyone in the venue actually enjoyed their performance and have been saying praises to the group, whether if they're a fan or not. Even the real critics, music journalists and actual musicians have praised them in their Coachella performance. The performance is for the Coachella live audience, the group adapted their performance for the event, and the group definitely, definitely delivered!! I can see Le Sserafim getting a lot BIGGER and BETTER after this, moving forward. The irony is, amidst all these hate, Le Sserafim gained tons of new fans! But the bigger you become, the hate will also add up. Why? Because more people will get to know you, whether they like you or not. More publicity. More chances that new people will discover them and their music, their art, and will actually appreciate them. And that's where we should focus on, instead of the haters or even non-fans or even those that have "left" the fandom. (Why are even non-fans bothering and trying to include themselves in this when they're not even, well, fans?) Just continue on working hard on your craft, improving and focusing on your own growth. It's better to see their journey as they continue to improve, becoming much better, especially in vocals. Performance-wise and stage presence and the fun they bring in their performances, they already excel in it. If they are already perfect, then that would be totally boring. The girls are definitely working hard and improving and improving and trying out many things, especially outside the norm of Kpop. While those haters giving "constructive criticism" and "voice experts" and forcing others to accept their opinions as the only correct one are just lying down, wasting their rotten life, and even if they do have a job or business or whatever, it just means that they're not happy in their life. Because if you are, then you definitely don't have time to bother wasting your own time hating these hardworking, talented and successful girls and is mature enough that you'd rather just focus on being successful in your own life and being happy (by that, I mean the right way. Coz if hating them is your way of being happy, then there's definitely something wrong with you). And if you get triggered and angered by this statement and sends more hate to them and to others, especially those that appreciate them and actually enjoyed their performance, then it says a lot more about your personality, attitude and immature, obsessive mindset. Shame on you. And as for new people curious about the issue, just use your own judgment with an open mind and w/o being hateful, while also considering the venue and the event itself, the whole context, and not be affected by all the haters backed by troll farms just to make these girls look bad while these toxic people are promoting their own favorite groups under the hate train. I mean, it's not helping their groups at all. It would just spread more hate. Anyway, YOU DID GREAT, LE SSERAFIM!! Keep the fire burning! I'm excited to see Le Sserafim continue to rise even higher in the future! And if you're a fan, keep on supporting them. That's what they need right now. (and to the people who have reading comprehension problems who would say you're babying them. No. I said, support the girls.)
thank you for the amazing comment on the subject (the most wholesome comment of all the comments). i like the girls, i love the performance, i will support them, but if the girls are true to themselves, will not listen too hard to all the haters, but keep up the good work, all will pass and they must not fear, fear is the mind killer...i appreciate the kind words.
BROOOOO so WHAT if they yelled?? Ateez growled half of their performance and it was SUPERB! There's nothing wrong with getting into your performance and encouraging crowd engagement.
I feel so bad for lsf, I feel like you can get away with growling on a song like guerilla compared to easy. Both groups were having fun, ppl be using the same 3 clips of them being off key and it’s getting annoying they sound great the rest of the 40 min performance
@l0velyfl0wer it's easy to have a negative opinion on something you, yourself, have never done. If you HAVE sang and danced on a Coachella stage, PLEASE, drop the link. I'd LOVE to see.
Fr like why is everyone talking abt how lesserafim were bad, but nobody is talking abt how ateez were amazing, like let's focus on positive stuff😭 yes, lsrf weren't perfect and they deserve criticism TO SOME EXTENT, but they do not deserve literal cyberbullying
hybe artist group is ruined from their toxic fandom, the energy you put out is returned. who was talking shit about BP and Aespa coachella performance? that that its their fav turn its toxic haters... stfu and take the L and move on like the rest of us.
작년에 블랙핑크의 공연으로 코첼라를 처음 접했고 올해 내가 좋아하는 르세라핌이 그런 큰 무대에서 공연한다는거에 기쁜마음으로 감상했습니다. 40분내내 엄청난 에너지로 관객들과 함께 즐기는 모습이 정말 감동이었고 몇번을 반복해서 시청하면서 여운을 즐겼습니다. 작년 블랙핑크의 공연과는 또 다른 느낌의 감동이었습니다. 왜 페스티발 무대를 구성이나 퍼포먼스 관객과의 호흡등은 얘기하지 않고 "오직" 보컬 그것도 "일부"만 가지고 모든것을 평가하는지 모르겠습니다. 완벽한 무대는 아니었을지언정 훌륭한 무대였다는것은 부정할수 없는 사실입니다.
4-5 kpop groups attend coachella and suddenly kpop stans think they know what a music festival is about. During a music festival, as an artist, you are supposed to command the stage,control the audience. Its not always about how godly you are singing, its about how hype-ly you are performing. If you can't move yourself on a stage during music festival or any other performances, there is no need for you to do it, you can just stick to your pre-recorded bs. Yes, they did had vocal fuck ups, they did sound bad, but dont try to act as if you know how an artist sound on pure live because the way yall have been acting,it clearly shows you dont. Constructive crtisism is always welcome but what i have witnessed in the last 2 days on twt and on other platforms is utter madness and is pure harrasment on the name of constructive critsicm. Yall mfs are literally bullying a minor mind you.
It's so stupid because no one basically performs at a festival like that trying to match their studio recording. No one. No matter the genre, let alone Kpop. Where's the backlash when a western artist chooses to change up the way they sing to hype up the crowd? Nowhere to be found because it's only Kpop fans that are this stupid.
I genuinely believe people were just waiting for them to even slightly fuck up so they can start hating on them properly. I am not a fan of them at ALL but I watched all Coachella performances of this year and while watching it I never once thought 'wow this is bad' or some shit- legit was just shaking my ass. Sure it's not the best thing I've heard vocally but it's whatever yk?
Another thing is the hate for Eunchae is crazy. I am the same age as her and my friends train their vocals and dance all time for self-improvement, future competitions, etc. And the most they could do was one live stage. So I applaud this girl for doing such a long performance while being so YOUNG. HYBE also set her up debuting her at such a young age because she basically loses years of training. Also, I'm so emotionally unstable right now and I cannot even begin to fathom what Eunchae is experiencing deadass 💀💀
People were originally upset with Eunchae being in the group when they first debuted. It’s not really directed at her but more the people who let her debut. She’s 17 in a group with someone who is 26 it doesn’t make any sense. But it’s like, if you’re going to allow someone so young to debut, you’d expect them to be extremely talented but then she performs and it’s like meh
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
I won't defend all the blinks, bc I know some of them have been part of the hate (and it makes me sad cause I'm a blink too and it's tiring hearing people say we're toxic), but just to clarify, every single fandom is hating on the fimmies, all the kpop stans have been annoying this past months, they have even been comparing lesserafim's vocals with Shinee's, Red Velvet's and Gfriend's, all this hate is so unnecessary, but most of all they are hypocrites, they call what they do "critique" when it's just pure hate, also the atinys have been comparing Ateez performance with them, like ??? They are girls dude, you can't compare their stamina
I also wanted to add that the most annoying part of all this is the people who weren't even there is the one who's complaining, BRO, YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DIDN'T PAY A THING, SHUT THE FCK UP, THE ONES WHO WERE THERE ACTUALLY LOVED IT and I'm not saying that Lesserafim doesn't need to improve their vocals, but if you don't stan them, why are you worried about it???
@@user-moon17 Yep like they were saying Blackpink looks tired. Or they are messing up. Or they can’t sing. Like bro, y’all were the same people hating towards Blackpink just for it. When it’s not even true. Just some small clips that you see in the media that make you think that way. A matter a fact, Blackpink had to perform like 3-4 days a week for the past 2 years. With barely no rest. But when Lesserrafim or their bias gets shades for the same thing. All suddenly they become understanding and human beings.
Omfg speak on it they get pissed off about fearnots defending themselves and then go "well fearnots deserve it for bringing up *insert other kpop groups*" when they were comparing their favorite group performances to lesserifims performance and trying to bring up other groups while shading Lesserifims stage performance And then they get pissed off when a fimmie does defend themselves like make it make fucking sense HOPE IM KT RUDE this is so real Also I hate how much the same ppl who are shitting on LSF are the same ppl bringing up and comparing aespas coachella stage from 2022 saying "aespas is way better" when I remember even AESPA got fucking hated bc of their "vocals" in 2022 (btw they did amazing as well) like no one should be bringing up one group just to bring down another one it's fucking shitty and I always hated this FUCK ass behavior Hope I'm not rude but this is so real
I hate to say this but a lot of more blinks and overall GG stans are the ones harassing them. But it’s confusing coming mainly from blinks because their group literally went through the same thing so I don’t get how they can turn around and make horrible comments towards LS. That being said, this is why I can’t be a kpop fan anymore. GG stans always ruin it for everyone but accuse BG fans of being the toxic ones. To the very but VERY few blinks who haven’t participated in the hate train, thank you for staying respectful.
To add on to this, they were also having really bad sound mixing problems. Their (band/them) audio was going up and down randomly the entire set. Kazuha's headset mic was really low. Eunchae just 10 days ago before this performance was in the hospital for Gastritis. So, she definitely wasn't performing at 100%. They had a weverse live right after this and Eunchae looked extremely tired. I myself enjoyed the performance hiccups and all. It was a live without that much backtrack and that is something we actually want to see more of in kpop which is raw live vocals. But that isn't going to happen if this is how knetizens keep on reacting with bullying disguised as constructive criticism when anything is slightly off. So we can look forward to our staged live performances with studio backtrack/lipsyncing in the future.
Still remember people used to say Lisa can’t sing, Jennie’s a lazy dancer, and Rosé’s vocal training after predebut was ruined. But that didn’t stop them from working harder. That’s the same thing for Le Sserafim right now.
Dude they still use backtrack and sing badly it is only that they are more popular or famous. This a campaign to bring down Hybe and their artists. I do believe they need to train but the hate campaign is getting ridiculous. Hating on le sserafim won't make the blackpink members come back or sing better.
@@anagarza8326you know its really not that hard to go and watch bps encores without backtrack to realise that they actually sound good while jumping around and having fun , while others are literally just standing and sound absolutely horrible acting like they are fixing their earpiece 💀
@@anagarza8326the biggest problem is that fearnots were the first ones to attack blackpink when it was announced that lsf gonna preform at coachella, they starting comparing them and bringing down blackpink saying how lesserafim will "end" bp, it was so obvious that blinks will attack them back especially , if they cant handle it they shouldn't have started it🤷
Lisa is still the most unstable one and also the one who always screams the most like a crazy horse it's not one or 2 live shows basically in every live shows without screaming she can never save her ass she's literally a 6yrs old idol for what? And watched their full performance of shut down the energy level and co-ordination was so good but only the member who messed in terms of vocals was her but yet other members got hates while Lisa got the praises? Blinks don't understand the importance of vocals and have the audacity to judge other groups wow learn to treat your vocalist well first.
There is a difference between hate and actual constructive criticism. The stuff that has been happening on twitter is straight up disgusting. I have literally been sick to stomach seeing the literal hate. They literally did this to itzy and itzy is no where to be found now. They have taken the joy of being a k pop fan away. Its becoming depressing being a k-pop fan and I’ve been a fan of k-pop since 2016
so valid! im tired of other fans comparing, yes lesserafim needs vocal lessons but honestly it could be way worse its just that kpop stans are not at all exposed to live singing and expect every performance to be flawless which is super unrealistic
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
@mixsongg 🙄 And i recently saw an article about older musicians/singers who spoke about how rarely they sung live. They did lipsync more often than not. In fact HYBE - and some other labels probably, too - expects more live singing than was expected from Idols before. I blame the fact that most labels did not let their artists perform live in at least second gen. but also later. Do Le Sserafim maybe need to built their lung volume more? Perhaps. But they did what they had to and they were good at it.
Some Kpop fans are UNREALLLL..they don’t know how to criticize correctly and run with shit anybody says. The amount of death threats I’ve seen le Sserafim get is insane. The people hating think with their ass instead of their brain 💀‼️..
Full clean raw vocal, no backtrack, no mixing, no editing. Only courageous group to do that. Blackpink? used it. Aespa? used it. Ateez? used it (altho they did really amazing I'm not taking anything from them). pulling BTS to make a point? That's like comparing Lebron to a newbie in the NBA and they too be using much of the things i mentioned above. I've had enough honestly. Only genuine group to do that and people use supported vocals of their faves to compare. Ask your faves to perform with raw live vocals at Coachella and watch them freeze. Compare energy and performance and none of your groups match these girls. Room for improvement? yes. But if anything, the main takeaway from this performance is that it bears hints of their highest highs, showing how their potential is unmatched. NPCS all around.
@@shadow4342Nah, they sounded ok, their show was fun and passionate. It's just that some netizens like to present themselves as knowledgeable and with "good taste" to others, it's pure acting, almost fetishistic.
@@shadow4342 then is coachella setting them up? cuz ateez, bp & aespa livestream on coachella u can still hear the backtracks. so how come only on lsf the backtrack isnt heard on livestream?
American and International audiences seemed to love the performance. The goal of performing at Coachella is to bring in new fans , Le Sserafim accomplished that goal!!
The girls are aware of their vocal issues, they even admitted that in their documentary. When Sakura said that Coachella was their best stage, she's right because all of their performances on other award shows in South Korea are not ALL CLEAN LIVE LIKE ALL THE OTHER ARTISTS DO THERE WITH BACK TRACS. Don't tell me they didn't improve, they did! Especially Sakura but we can't deny the fact that they are nervous and struggling during their LAST 2 SONGS that night. Eunchae struggled with Gastritis a week before performing on Coachella, just imagine the struggle and the tense she must've felt. Yunjin and Chaewon did a really great job! WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SAYING THEY CAN'T SING? They literally JUMPED, BEND AND RUN during their dance performance and literally belting the notes with that STRONG WINDS that you can literally hear on their mics. PLUS THE LIVE STREAM was fckd up, the volume kept on decreasing and then the band was loud and then the music behind the band was loud and then the voices got low then loud again. SAKURA WAS DEFINITELY AMAZING THROUGHOUT THE PERFORMANCE. You will never see her getting anxious or frightened on her parts like before. SHE WAS STABLE THE WHOLE TIME Kazuha was struggling on the last 2 songs, imagine being lifted on air and doing those dances she was doing was crazy. I AGREE WITH THE "CRITICISM" THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO WORK HARD ON THEIR VOCALS AND STAMINA BUT THE HATE TRAIN WAS SO FORCED THAT EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALLY WATCHED THE PERFORMANCE "LIVE" AND JUST BASED THE WHOLE THING ON THAT "FCKD UP LIVE STREAM" WAS SO DISGUSTING THAT THEY'RE NOT GIVING CRITICISM ANYMORE, THEY'RE JUST BULLYING THEM. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE LIVE PERFORMANCE ON COACHELLA SAID THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE STAGE, GETTING THE WHOLE CROWD DANCE AND HYPED AND THEY CAN LITERALLY HEAR THE GIRLS SING SO WELL SPECIALLY SAKURA, YUNJIN AND CHAEWON. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH CRITICISM AND BULLYING AND A LOT OF THIS PEOPLE ARE JUST BULLYING THEM. THAT'S IT
I really feel bad for these Idol groups, because its damned if you do and damned if you don't. They sing live and put on a full performance with singing and choreo, but some of the singing is off, and they get crap for it... but if they use a track and lip sync, they catch hell too. People have some stupid standard of unattainable perfection and just want to bad mouth people for doing something they can't even do themselves. Also, your crap cell phone mic, and using some crap app to isolate vocals, without being plugged straight into the mixing board, your iPhone isn't catching the true vocals.
ppl saying it's not hate but "constructive critiscm" are delusional, THIS IS PURE STRAIGHT UP HATE, i've seen things in my life but ths is horrible, and when Sakura spoke about this, not by defending herself like "y'all stop", she basically was so mature and admit that she was not perfect, y'all just make fun of her, y'all just use that as an excuse to hate on her because y'all can't process the fact that they performed at cochella not your fave and that GARAM is not a member anymore and it's been 2Y now damn MOVE ON
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
@@inquisitvem6723 don't you watch the vid can't we stop bringing other group like it's about le sserafim why do we always have to compared them it's so cringe like every group perform in there own way,
@@Meleonnn go look at other posts of people comparing and hating on LeSerrafim with those groups I mentioned. I didn’t come up with these other groups out of thin air. Btw, nothing wrong with some back tracks. Lots of western artists do it and no artist can perform 100% live all night. Even mighty Beyoncé does a mix of live and back track. Let’s keep things in perspective….just saying.
@@husen9941 First clue: you don't have to like it. But that does not make it bad. Watch the damn vid/whole performance. I don't think much of either aespa or BP - that does not make either of them bad. it makes them not my artistst. That is okay and a normal reaction instead of going everywhere and throwing a fit how bad X is because you are jealous that your fav did not get that opportunity/has the success. Go out there and *promote* *your* artist. Ask reactors for reaction. Post their best fancams. Tell everybody how good they are.
The worst is when they keep bringing Up other examples of alleged live singing, and it's Always stuff with heavy backtracks to smooth out imperfections, or some Killing Voice processed editing! It's nerve wrecking really. People have No Idea anymore how Love vocals ACTUALLY sound like, specially while Dancing.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRITICISM AND HATE, Le sserafim has beautiful vocals but not while doing that hard choreos at the same time without back up vocals, they need to change the intensity of their choreographies at stages like Coachella where there’s no back up vocals, THEY SLAY LIVE WITHOUT CHOREOGRAPHING.
They didn't *use* that much backing vocals. But lipsyncing would have been possible and others have done it. Best guess is they have to built their lungs more with e.g. oxygen deprivation masks and treadmill running.
in kpop le sserafim was the only group perform 100% live. every other group in every single performance (except killing voice and other 100% live shows) was pre recorded. it's just stupid people don't see that. they are brainwashed and in denial. its mostly blinks and babymonster fans who hate LE sseraafim and illit. this is like a fan war between YG and HYBE. they just hate every group other than their favs. even BP who is 7+ years of experience did coachella with a backup track. they did a little choreo only barely any foorwork so that they won't mess up vocals. and here le sserafim (less than 2 years of experience) did most of the choreo while singing for an hour. "completely 100% LIVE". what did you expect ? it's just jealousy and hate and competition.
agree its actually babymonster fan who starting this because they want babymonster to become the fastest kpop gg perform in coachella...not lsf...omg their so childish n stupid
@@camileeduck1454 i am talking about coacella. music shows are obviously pre recorded and idols sing some lines on top of that if the choreo is easy. its the same for le sserafim, abymonster, illit and all other groups. only killing voice, encores, coachella etc are the 100% shows. others are all pre recorded. le sserafim did a good job. they have improved so much.
7 years? BLACKPINK did Coachella first in 2019 same stage like your girls 3years in their career, and they did amazing, it was one of the reason their popularity blow up in the west, so know your facts before commenting, no excuses for your faves, they were trained to perform they are singers, what are they doing in those stages if they can't sing to save themselves? what's the point of even debuting in the first place.
@@vchukim3369 ok see THIS is when people should stop "WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN THOSE STAGES IF THEY CAN'T SING TO SAVE THEMSELVES? WHAT'S THE POINT OF DEBUTING" first of that was UNNECESSARY, second, Lesserafim did good at coachella, yes they had there bad vocal moments but I've watched both weekend performances and they did really good, fancams confirm it and as well the livestream, not sure what livestream others were watching but on mine they sounded really good NOT ALL THE TIME let me clarify but they sounded good and had amazing energy. now I'm a hardcore blink since debut and let me tell you that back in 2019 BP had their bad vocal moments too, it happens, too much wind blowing, it doesnt help your vocal chords, some singers are affected others are not, dancing hard asf, trying to hype the crowd, is not going to be the best vocals all the time, but Blackpink also had amazing vocal moments during their appereance, same for last year, they did so freaking good they exceeded everyone's expectations. Now lesserafim can definitely improve but since debut they have shown that they can sing, SAKURA is a different topic, which BY THE WAY, let me say SAKURA surprised everyone, she has never been the best vocally, even she knows it, but girl showed out at Coachella, i was shocked, anyways, they have great vocals specially Yunjin and Chaewon, i dont know what's the need of commenting that way about Lesserafim when you know DAMN WELL that blackpink has had bad vocal moments throughout their career SPECIALLY at their Coachella performances and has been criticized by that, as BLINKS we know that and admit it, yes maybe this person didnt know their facts, but that shouldnt be a reason for you to get triggered and respond that way, but anyways, is always the same shit with most kpop stans, myself like some others, prefer to be different and respond different against some situations.
I hate the part of idol culture where idols feel pressured to apologize for things when they haven't done anything wrong. Then their antis take that apology as proof of "guilt" and then act like whatever incident happened was valid. Usually it's just to appease people who are being annoying online.
For reals like what debt do they owe them just cause they don't enjoy what they do or approve of it look at Karina from Aespa giving an apology cause she dating a guy like its a human thing she has needs and is young too like damn these guys be too much definitely need some fresh air and get a life and let idols do their thing!
Idols are performing a paid service, of you paid for something and they didn't deliver with the promised quality then they definitely should apologise. Even a super famous group like blackpink had the humility amd respect for their fans to apologise for messing up during their first Korean tour date.
@@Megan-bw5zh You get something wrong there. It is *ART* . You can like it or you can not. That is YOUR decision. But other if you have yourself commissioned the work you got no say what and how they do their art. And frankly you do not have the money to pay for anything more than merch, an album and a concert ticket and that does not pay for even one choreography. You are just entitled. Do you also do that with every athlet, entertainer, artist, sculptorer, actor etc.? In the US? This is *NOT* about you. Enjoy the artist you enjoy and leave the others in peace. If you especially enjoy your artist help them by promoting them: asking music reactors for them, posting fancams, talk about them and what makes them special.
I've been a kpop stan for 8 almost 9 years 😅 at this point I stay away from the comment section because the newer fans are so delusional. I'm personally not a fearnot but I do enjoy their songs .Eunchae is child and none of them deserve the HATE that people spitting or the fanwars that people that "claim to be fans" are trying to start just because they want to. Especially how they're attacking TXT
@@_waybeom_ it was happening during music back when they were performing the live stream was being spammed with hate towards Txt saying that they don't deserve their fame and that TXT can't sing, me and some other MOA's tried to report to it but there was to many of them
I went to Coachella 2024 and watched their live performance. It was my very first time going and most definitely wont be my last. I will say Le Sserafim's vocals weren't stable at all and they had many voice cracks right off the bat, but singers have bad days like that. They were probably pretty nervous since it was their first time performing at Coachella, they're still a new group, and they're young. There's no need for the crazy amount of hate. I personally really enjoyed the performance and my god they are such good dancers. I don't know all of their names, I only know Chaewon because my friend told me about her but I'm definitely going to look into them more. Also I hate how people who weren't even AT Coachella are hating the life out of Le Sserafim based on only a few bad clips they saw.
what's funny is they hate lesserafim but they also the first to get excited when lesserafim does something,, like if they don't like them just leave them and listen to your favorite
Not really, it's more the korean citizens themselves who got really mad cause their country got represented badly in one of the biggest music events. There's no threat at all with a viral negative vocals like that. LSF has been global since last year.
Facts. This is the antis tactic to try and knock them down before they become mainstream either since their fav group didn't succeed mainstream wise and/or try to make way for their fav group to become mainstream
Actually while watching their performance I was so nervous not as a fans but bcs there were so many crowds who would judge kpop as a whole not just Lessarafim but after watching their performance I was like, so relieved that they did so great. I was so proud of them. But next day, I saw all the criticism and hate on them for their bad performances not only vocal but also dance. I was like seriously???? Who are these people??? F**** this much hate for no f****** reason and they kept on hating hybe as well for no reason. Why can’t they understand that it is hard to dance and sing live together.
Same. I was nervous as a fearnot and nervous for kpop as a whole. But was so hyped on my ride home from work just listening through the youtube video. I was so excited for a world tour! Then, the next thing I know, the hate train happened. The dumbest thing ever.
I caught the last couple songs of their set. I totally get why the vocals were not there for the end. They could've been very tired and I totally get that. I used to do theatre and I've completely forgotten my lines. I love what they did especially when it came to hype up the crowd. They did their best I enjoyed what I watched.
Yes brooo. This is what people need to hear. I'm pretty new to the industry but it seems like these K-Pop fans don't really know what a live performance sounds like because that Coachella stage is exactly what they are. NOTHING IS PERFECT. It's really unbelievable to me that people can't understand that. The other thing is that all these hate accounts and tweets are only posting the worst parts of the performance to try to make their point. They are not seeing the other side of the stage where most of the time, the girls did pretty well! The whole situation is ridiculous and honestly sad. I will always love and respect Le Sserafim for trying to sing live and continuing to perform at such a high level despite all of the hate that they get. Thank you for the video 🙏🙏
these haters think the music shows are live. they are all pre recorded and some idols sing with the pre recorded. and some companies use non-studio pre recorded tracks with breath sounds and stuff to show like they are singing live. so most of the kpop fans really haven't seen real live versions (while dancing) they are so used to seeing fake live version and they expect that. blackpink also didnt do choreo in coachella. LSF did most of the choreo while singing for an hour. of course it's not going to be perfect. tell any other group (if you're a hater, tell ur favs) to completely live without pre recording while dancing. you'll see.
Sakura's WeVerse just hits different considering she's been in the entertainment scene for a decade, had a total of 3 debuts (AKB48, IZ'ONE, and LSFM), said it herself in the LSFM documentary that she asks for less lines because she's seen the hate comments she got for being a "bad singer", and no doubt she prob still reads online stuff. But the fact that she is well-spoken like in the statement despite it all,..... idk, there's something admirable about it
I don't hate Sakura or anything but I wonder why she is not willing to get vocally trained?? She has been in the industry for a lot of years now. So, I am sure she can hire a personal vocal coach herself if she is REALLY willing to
@@onlyjaeyoon900why are you talking as if you know personally she isnt currently taking vocal lessons lol? during the coachella perf she utilised more chest singing which was different from what she was used to singing during her akb/izone days, so idk what to tell u if that isnt proof of vocal training going on then idk what it is 🤷♀️
@@onlyjaeyoon900u obviously know nothing about her, don't speak on her if u don't do ur research! If u did u would know she's been taking lessons and has improved tremendously over the years. But y'all don't even care about that bc y'all just wanna pretend she's not even trying.
Recently the hate against Le Sserafim, Illit, Babymonster, and Vcha have been so annoying. If you don't like it, then don't listen. You don't need to broadcast your irrational reasons for hating them. How about some positive criticism? I don't think these kids can formulate a proper critique so they just hate. Then you have the brainless sheep that just think it's cool to ride the hate train and amplify something they know nothing about. I feel bad for all the artists who are trying to live their dream. They train for years, leave their families, deal with company and their own insecurities to live their dream. I will say it again, if you don't like it, walk away. Listen to whoever you like and be a good human being.
People were hating on Babymonster's songs not the people. People were hating the fact that in RUNEXT, there were better singers than the ones who debuted in ILLIT
@@l0velyfl0wer plently of people were mocking the girls themselves. and even if that was their intentions they somehow manage to drag the girls along with their initial dissapointment.
Thank you sebastine we as Fearnot its hard to stay strong and calm. You took the words out of my mouth. Also they sang an unreleased song on their coachella stage do listen to it its so good.
Some people would rather hate than extend grace. They forget that a lot of us “normal” people can barely hold a key yet let alone jog and talk at the same time without being out of breath. But they run their mouth like they’re all professionals. It’s sad because when they want to be die hard fans, they are, but when they want to be haters, they take it to the extreme. Just get too sucked in.
I saw this one video of Wendy (literally one of the best vocalists in kpop), she was standing still singing love on top by Beyoncé. The performance wasn’t horrible but I wouldn’t say it was good either, idols are never going to be perfect 24/7. They’re human beings. The hate is obviously so forced I can’t even look at any LSF related post without ppl in the comments mentioning their vocals although the post has no correlation whatsoever. There’s a big ass difference between saying the girls should train more for their vocal stability VS literally claiming Hybe groups can’t sing🤡
The fact that most music critics and locals who were actually there in the crowd loved the girls and had a lot of fun. 95% of the hate is from kpop fans who watched a few clips on TikTok
k-Netz and some Kpop stans in general know everything except for the differences between "Critiquing" and "bullying" and "inspiration and copying." They will do everything to hurt these idols till the UNEXPECTED happens. smh
The hate hurt my heart and I could imagine who the members of le sserafim felt. some people feel an Idol should be perfect and hold up all these titles and never mess up. It's people who are basically jealous because their favs give them only 1 song every couple of years. I won't name groups but like you said, nobody is perfect. Thank you Seb for this, one of the only reactors who brings this to the forefront. Real shit Respect
The solace I take away from this situation is that the girls are still able to do what they love and enjoy, are given the means to provide for themselves and their families, and are walking away with heavier bank accounts than the toxics that are attacking them. I hope they embrace their concept of not caring what the world thinks of them and they will just continue to be themselves, the girl group we all fell in love with and support through and through. I'm not a fan of "perfection", I'm a fan of Le Sserafim.
90% people that hating on Lsf didn't go to Coachella and give their opinion based on 5-10 second clips. I've seen locals who actually goes to Coachella made a video and actually posting videos about it and give positive response. It's real that some members NEED improvement with their vocals ngl, i agreed with you about it. But people really need to stop hating based on short clip and skipping the rest where they're actually did good. This goes to every group that ever exists since this actually a repetitive thing.
Everyone jumped them immediately when they performed, instead of giving actual criticism they just started hating for no reason. It’s like they were waiting for a reason to hate on le ssera! Im not a fearnot myself but twt is being ridiculous rn. And they’re not even applauding ateez! Its like they spawned out of nowhere JUST to hate! They don’t care about how good or bad they are.. They just need reasons to hate 😐
I tried to prove the same thing then people start attacking me and won't even let me explain like it was a big day for them I hope people would calm down because blackpink don't even have a hard choreo for their music so blinks really need to shut up.fearnot knows the girls are awesome and hybe is doing the best for their group no company is doing it like hybe
I do agree that some idols training periods should be longer...that's one of the things that make you an idol. But all the hate towards Le Sserafim is wild.
The thing that bugs me is the « fair criticism », you can take any 4th or 5th gen groups and find something to very fairly criticise because no one is perfect, especially rookie groups. People are acting like le sserafim deserves this level of nitpicking and harassment bc 1 out of their many easy encore sounded shaky (but they sound almost like the recording and so much more confident in those a few days later) and bc they sounded out of breath when performing their choreos with full energy and no backtrack on d1. All hate trains against kpop idols started with supposedly fair criticism used as an excuse to bash them.
as a blink and a baemon stan, as much as i love the praising for my girls, if bringing down certain girlgroups (le sserafim) just to "praise" and appreciate baemon's vocals live, i think it's pathetic and sad. It's so disgusting. Like, I love Le Sserafim bro but wtf, leave the girls alone. I feel bad for them because they literally did their best and unfortunately it wasn't perfect but enough is enough already. Comparing idols will never end and it's sad.
everyone has off moments with vocals, no one is gonna be perfect all the time. i HATEEEEE when people watch a few clips and run with them like there's not another 40 minutes to the performance.. like please
I was there and they didn’t sound bad. Singing live and doing choreo for 40 mins ain’t easy. Nobody there was complaining it’s just the ppl that wasn’t there is making it a big fuss.
@@raegangnamstyle tell me you didn't watch the whole live without telling u didn't watch it. come on they performed 40 mins straight and u only saw a few seconds of their mistakes and called it a day.
@@shimjeya5829 and so did many other artists and they did sound like that. leserafim have performed even for encores and sound like that. there is no excuse
thank you bro, i can’t stand the “fans” that make hating their whole personality. they gain nothing from hating and claim they’re just “critiquing” them 😭 especially those tiktok “news” accounts that just hate because they can and have thousands of people that agree with everything they say, i hate those so much. i absolutely love kpop idols and their music but i truly dislike some select “fans.”
Le sserafim’s schedules is very busy. They dance wholeheartedly & their performace never unenthusiastic. It’s understandable if they get tired and sounds imperfect at times. They can get sick too they are humane.
Thank you for making this video. Because fr the hate is such a reach. All those hating were just d””k riding on the hate train because it’s cool thing to do while the favs didn’t get to perform on cochella
Lesserafim is getting hated over vocals and for being 'first hybe group/BTS' first sisters' and now Kpop community is harrassing ILLIT💀 ILLIT literally just debuted a few months ago and they are KIDS. And BTS are being hated by all big 3 fandoms they be accusing BTS' to be faking their entire career as if ARMYs ain't real, Koreans calling BTS cultists and spamming 'danworld' (the cult name??)under all BTS MVs... basically hating their existing. The way it's all related to MHJ, every HYBE group she mentioned is getting hate trains by Kpop community. It's suspicious as hell... Anyways, that witch is going jail soon so it'll end in a month or two.
Thank you for this video and perspective. Kpop stans have a habit of formulating a herd mentality, and forget that these artists also deserve basic respect. You don’t have to love them, but to constantly harass and disparage them does not nothing to better the Kpop industry.
I'll never understand why Blinks of all people hate on other groups. After what those girls went through on their rise to fame you would think Blinks would understand the best how much bullying hurts...
@@cece54hf That's such a childish way of thinking. Grouping Le Sserafim fans together with BTS fans makes no sense. That's like BTS fans all of sudden bashing Babymonster just because Blinks hated them. It makes no sense at all. Kpop fandoms need to grow up.
@@ShadowB17 which I feel like we should all agree is wrong right? It’s really not hard to love the groups you love without putting down other groups in the process
@@platinumpacker186 Yep. That’s why I said k-netizens are so fu*k up. That’s why I’m pretty happy that some idols are turning into like westerns. They are able to be themselves and be happy.
@wtstree Blinks and revenge? So you mean to tell me that if someone (a minor) gives their opinion on BP without any backlash, you're gonna d0xx them for just having an opinion? Is that what you call "revenge"? Any other girl groups getting dragged by toxic Blinks because they "wanna be BP so bad".. what's that all about? Is that "revenge" too? I've also noticed a lot of misogynistic male Blinks hiding under pfp's talking shit about whoever the fuck is living their life, but I guess that's "revenge" too Jeongyeon from TWICE has been called names for her weight.. for what tho? She is beautiful and a great vocalist And Jimin STILL getting backlash from Kpop stans over his encore stage.. LET IT GO ALREADY. All what happened was that his in-ear wasn't working properly and that he was nervous (which is completely normal) And these are just examples of what I've seen since I got into Kpop There's a whole reason why people don't like Blinks (because the toxic side is taking over imo). Just stop setting up your favs, stop ruining the fandom experience (especially solo stans) and stop being in everyone's business. Just because you're bored and not getting content doesn't mean you get the right to harrass people on the internet (I'm talking about toxic Kpop stans in general)
Problem is not first live issue Very hard to find their live performance. Few of we can see it but all their lives are all same that's le sserafim issue And YES Hibe need change system about girl group bc they making Only Dancing dolls only no vocal training Sakula over 10 yrs not 2 yrs
As far I am aware Sakura debuted as a jpop idol around 13 years of age. Since then she have been actively working in the music industry. With the hectic schedule of idol I believe she didn't have enough time just to focus on vocal. Sure sakura isn't a good singer but she still excels and do her best in other parts. Why is she and other le sserafim members being dragged to the mud as if it will help them in gaining vocal? Criticism is OK but hate is NOT OK. Bullying is not OK.
@loveyourself1442 Why do you think that's bullying? "I love you, I love you." You think that's only fandom to do? Ask to Hibe do better .. that's what fandom duties are, too I don't want K-pop just dancing real doll Many none kpop fans(not haters) think K-pop fans are just watching shaking butties I'M KPOP FAN I WANT TO SAY " THEY ARE GREAT ARTISTS LEASON AND WATCH THIS that's why I say and ask hibe, please do better for K-pop fans AM I HATER? If it is only Le Sserafim matter, I will it just happens, NP
@jungcha9452 so you want them to be "PERFECT" huh?? You know what's funny you are inronically trying to make them a Perfect "Doll" just to boost your so call ego & brag to people how great of a person you are since you listen to" real singers". As I have previously said criticism is OK but bullying is not. Are u purposely dismissing and turning blind eye to the fact that le sserafim are being s**tshamed , receiving death threats and all the hate. How convenient to act like a Saint and be a bigger person just because they are "bad singers"
@jungcha9452 @jungcha9452 you want them to be "PERFECT" huh?? Ironically you are trying to make them a Perfect "Doll" to boost your so call ego. As I said criticism is OK but bullying is not. Are u purposely dismissing the sl*tshaming , death threats and all the hate they are getting just because they are "bad singers"?
They gonna pull the “its just criticism” and then calling them names like hello?? If your really giving them criticism stop hating the girls hate the damn company!! 💀
@@shimjeya5829 there a hundreds of singers and kpop artists who can sing live. that is not an excuse. singing live is just the same as singing but in front of people.
They were serving last night on the second week and they left no crumbs. And well said Sebastine when you spoke about singing live being scary and it is totally different when you are outside and especially with such a large area because the sound echos. I am X Gen and a musician and I grew up when everyone sang with their natural vocals because there was no auto tune or pitch correct and when the musicians were live, there was no lip syncing. And singers have special nuances about their voice which is really special. The fact that the current generations do not know what natural voices sound like due auto tune and pitch correct...NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can sing perfectly the voice is always a smidge higher or lower than the actual note because we are human not computers. And talk to me after you've seen Freddie Mercury perform live with Queen multiple times. If you were lucky enough you would know even Frediie Mercury's voice would crack occasionally and he wouldn't be absolutely perfect all the time and that made it even more rock and roll. Of course there were times when his vocals were like ecstasy. Thank you for this video and saying this, people need to hear it.❣️🎸🤘🏻
I really don't get the constant pestering and outright bullying on them If they really don't want bad singers to be idols they should stop it before they debut, not wait until they made a career and start bullshitting every time they see their faces non-stop It's so frustrating, They don't sing too well we get it, but leave them tf alone with people that appreciate them and support them for their other talents, why you gotta pull up every time and shit in somebody's fun MIND YO BUSINESS
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
Vocals are just one side of a multifaceted thing that makes kpop enjoyable to a lot of people. If vocals is at the top of your interests, a group like LSF was never gonna be your favorite. There are so many groups out there that can satisfy your personal tastes. What I don't get is trying to apply your own personal tastes to every group, and then shitting on them if they don't meet it. You don't have to be a fan if you don't like a group; doesn't mean you get to be a hater too though.
i think people forgot these idols are.. real people?? like with feelings and thoughts etc etc. they treat idols they arent fans of, like they are just nothing. they work SO hard to even get a chance to debut and they go through so much pressure to try to always look and act perfect and they just get absolutely bullied. i feel so sorry for all the idols with these crazy haters.
I do believe that Hybe made a mistake pushing them to Coachella so fast. I mean they could have agreed to appear next year and practice more. I do believe that it is also a management issue but the hate campaign is getting ridiculous.
All people gotta say is “I didn’t like the performance I think they need more experience and training” and leave it at that. It doesn’t need to go into these comments about pride, shame, appearances, confidence etc it’s just low. If ppl don’t like it that’s ok, but if they tune into week 2 they’re officially obsessed with them. Unfortunately kpop has a lot of obsessive behaviour that is becoming a little scary. Thank you for talking about this Seb, it doesn’t matter who the group is, it’s really important to talk about this right now as kpop has many sides to it
Kpop stan haters go from Momo to Lesserafim to Riize…if kpop industry went full raw singing and dancing you can be sure all kpop fans of their favs will get a shock to their system
My favorite part(/sarcasm) of this is that it's Blinks who are causing the most ruckus. I LOVE that (/sarcasm), because I just KNOW it's partially because Black Pink didn't go back to Coachella this year. I've been seeing them tearing down Ateez, The Rose and Jackson Wang, too. BlackPink are still the same talented, funny, adorable idols they've always been, and where they do and don't perform doesn't change that. The jealousy-fueled hate their fandom is exhibiting isn't cute. Like, the extreme negative reaction to these mistake clips.....from the same fandom who got pissed when people were reacting negatively to clips of Jennie having off days on stage and looking "lazy".......
I mean, yes, the vocals weren't great and they should definitely improve but this is no longer hate or constructive criticism. People are fr bullying them now which is so uncalled for. I understand Coachella is a big performance and big festival and people expect quality and okay, maybe vocally, the girls weren't ready for Coachella yet. BUT the performance itself, if you take out vocals, was incredible. These girls are top notch performers and they know how to get a crowd going and put on a show. If people don't like their performance, just scroll on and watch something you do like. If you feel the need to comment on their vocal performance, fine but do so respectuflly.
They already do their best and I appreciate that, it's just people's expectations too high cause many people said the previous group is doing better than them (Blackpink, Aespa, 2ne1, Ateez, and The Rose). Im not gonna defend or talk shit about them, I only can appreciate them for doing their best Anyway you defend them so well 🙄
girlgroup competition is very tough now. When you make one mistake, other girlgroup fans look for opportunities to bring you down. imo that's what happened to itzy, and now sserafim. I won't be surprised if in the future new names appear😔
Le sserafim definitely needs the critism so that they can improve because that coachella performance defined wasn't their best. In person it felt like the best time mainly because of the vibes but for onscreen watchers, they see and hear things that in-person doesn't notice. Plus they debuted like a year ago. They weren't ready for an event as big as coachella. The songs they have arr also not in their range for singing live. Like Easy and Smart. Its too low for them. Compared to the songs they sang great in like their unreleased song and unforgiven. This I blame the company for. Which is why the trainee period to practice these things is important and why it's long. Le sserafim trainee period was short. There are also lessons provided after debut so that can improve more amd earn things that they want t learn. The hate that they are getting is really unnecessary and people are taking it too far. Nowadays, people don't like when idols get critised for something and that's how this thing spiraled out of control. Le sserafim isn't tone deaf, they just have problems with their vocal techniques especially breathing. They are also such great performers which is the aspect of their coachella performance that I really like. I also hate that people are comparing them to other groups. Like its not for any reason. And they are doing it just to do it
Dancing like they did and trying to sing at the same time, With a LIVE band. Yeah I totally understand but they don’t deserve this. Ther humans, they just didn’t have it that day. I’m not a fan. But singing in front of thousands of pple. They deserve respect just like every other band. Yes exactly move on…NEXT.
Does le sserafim deserve critique? Yes. Do they deserve hate? No. People go too far and have no filter or boundaries
Seriously like some people be saying “it’s just criticism” but then they actually not criticizing they just be bullying
Te juro , hay una gran diferencia entre decir " si , necesitan más lecciones de canto " a decirles que son unas inútiles y que no merecen estar donde están o cosas peores..
Lesserafim doesnt need criticism from kpop stans lmfao, they only critism they need to get are from the actual people TEACHING them, yall kpop fans dont even need to be talking on them
Yeah I totally agree and 100% on the board of giving criticism for bad performance; But personally attacking and insulting the idols is just going too far at that point which is pretty much hate.
@@terrylondon5418sorry but kpop is a business with fans as customers, with your idea then fans shouldn't speak when their idols are mistreated either bcos it's the company job to do everything (as if they can even be trusted) their teachers can be wrong or the company could cut down on crucial training that could end up permanently harming their vocals so if ppl watching esp veteran fans or ppl in those vocal professions themselves see something wrong they can criticise. You can keep quiet as hot choose tho that's ur freedom
Kpop stans talked about let's stop bullying idols but continue to cyberbully idols. Hypocrites.
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
@@dadaad-g3o oh cmon people are spreading hate towards every member of lsf.
@@Positivityisthesolution And who love's other k-boy fandom spread hates just for fun. 🤷
@@dadaad-g3o this was long ago now it's becoz of week 1 Coachella
@@dadaad-g3othe jealousy reeks. It's them choices. If the haters are offended they had to wake up early for school...that's on them. That's their choice for pleasing their parents..being competitive in school. That's not Enchae's fault. Koreans are bullies no matter where they are..be it online..be it in school...be it in their job
In Korea, they are being called a "national disgrace" and "they should apologize." Every time LE SSERAFIM makes a comeback, people in Korea start watching and looking for flaws. They're treating them like criminals. HYBE doesn't take slander seriously. It's so sad. LE SSERAFIM is a very charming group that other groups don't have. It's only been two years since their debut. I can't forgive some of the malicious BLINKS.
As a Korean, the crude comments written by Korean haters are The REAL "national disgrace"... I'm really ashamed. I feel sorry for international fans who are offended by all the hate.
The crazy thing is for the most part they didn't even sound as bad as ppl are making out it to be and I'm not even a fan of theirs.
Yup I literally watched a non kpop fan react to their performance bc they were curious as to why they were getting so much hate and they said ppl were exaggerating, like yeah they could be more stable but most artists in the US sound just as unstable and they aren’t even dancing and singing at the same time, they’ve seen rapers just as unstable even though they’re barely moving on stage
Yes me too. I’m not even their fans but I don’t think they did bad. Also I think it’s those toxics blink who think only BP girls should perform at Coachella and no other kpop groups should perform there. These ntzs are so so toxic and crazy.
Most of it was surprisingly good, only one that was iffy was the last song. Makes sense since they were exhausted.
they sound bad 😂
i'm a non kpop fan and i thought they sounded horrendous. and the fact that people were actually defending it is the reason why i'll remain a non kpop fan.
There is a FINE line between criticisms and hate but unfortunately some kpop stans are just too dumb to understand it.
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
@@dadaad-g3oooo yea ifg about that .. yikes hopefully she didn’t mean it with bad intent but that does comes off as mocking
@@dadaad-g3o I just watched a short about that and I think we all know (or at least people who are mature) that being an idol is the hardest job no different than being a slave but also thinking she is just 17 a teenager an age where its really hard to tell the diff b/w good or bad and i just think that people shouldn't be so hard on a 17yr old girl maybe her intention weren't wrong but she worded it wrong?
@@TXT4thgenleaders25 As you know, she earned billions won right now. And she will get more money much more easiely than most of us.
And one of the reason she can achieve that life is she's became a singer. And she said she have a good and easy life compared to other people when she's not enough for her professional qualities? It makes them angry of course.
And also as you said she's still young and she's treated like a baby in the group. But other students in her age are supposed to choose their careers, and study hard for their life.
So the truth is actually jealousy become hates. But there's some of her faults too.. i guess.
And also people told that most of haters are other boygroup fans. They just glad that le serrafim attacked by bunch of people.
So, it's not easy to solve this situations for le serrafim.
I Will say almost everybody of the kpop stans ,they are just toxic as hell 🤮
Another thing that pissed me off is ppl hating LSF then in the nxt sentence promote their faves .
Haha this one is very true 😅 LESSERAFIM didn't take the credit of what their faves have done but they still insisting. They are bullying not give criticism. Haysss
its honestly such a bad look for them
comparing by example is needed though. lsf will not improve if they are only statisfied just by how it is now. coachella is the biggest musics and arts festival in the world and the world is not only about them but also my ear and my eyes. as sakura clrarify about their coachella in her weverse that she is very statisfied and this is their best performance, its just made me think they will not improving.
@@down-kg8mt it's good to have a healthy comparison but what the majority is doing they are bullying the girls! And about sakuras letter you guys taks it in a wrong way! Just please open your mind more so can understand it better. Remember they are not copeting to others! She said thats her best performance bcuz the only competition that she take is to bes the best version of herfself so if she say She did better bcuz it's true she improve so much from admitting that she doesn't have a beatiful voice and now performing to a coachella that a lot of people Praise Her even the bullies 💅
Half of the people who are spreading so much hate about le sserafim are not fans. Like I saw people make whole Twitter accounts tweet and retweet every single negative tweet about them. Like those people need to get a life! I am okay with criticism but the pure hate they got for the performance was so uncalled for and they truly don't deserve it
Jealous people
they may not be le sserafim fans but they are fans of kpop in general, like is this what we are now? its disgusting
@@aeondale011 Yes it is kpop stans and it's sad. I'll be honest and say I don't like BlackPink I don't care for their music but I don't go around posting hate comments under video's and tweets. I just don't watch it it's really simple. I'd rather spend my energy supporting groups I love
There was literally a commenter on another video saying how Eunchae is talentless. Imagine taking time out of your day to criticize a 17 year old? Not only that, but be wrong because Eunchae is arguably the best dancer in the group which is talent
Bruh the people spreading hate and criticism would obviously not be fans. Tbh Lesserafim fans are delusional asf and think of Lesserafim as the greatest singers and performers or smth when they are not. They are not even criticizing the Coachella performance. They still the think that the performance was great
The line between criticism and pure hating is a blur.
Not rlly
@@chesiresays no saying they should dance less to sing better is criticism
saying they should undebue because they cant sing is hate
not that hard
Not really actually. If your making negative judgements then providing examples or ideas that can solve those problems, it means your criticizing with good faith and criticizing the right way. If your making negative judgements over and over without providing any examples or ideas to fix those negative judgements, then your criticizing in bad faith and are clearly only looking to be toxic and spread hate.
@@kurokurt5477 Exactly. Saying they need to fix their choreography so it doesn't hinder their singing abilites is criticism. Saying they are talentless and can't sing to save their lives is hate.
Sorry but posting "criticism" on their instagram, RUclips, tik tok, twitter is just hate. Because at the end of the day, why the hell would anyone take "criticism" from literal strangers. They get enough of that from their staff. You know, people paid to criticize them aka give them feedback and guide them to be better artists.
A lot of kpop fans have never heard true raw live that they get shocked hearing live for the first time.
Real😅
the difference is their live performance was BAD. I'd rather listen to my dog singing live at this point
@@tonbaguettehow was it that bad? or are you just bandwagoning?
Actually comparing the first and second week, I like the first week more. The raw performance and energy just made it so lively. The raw vocals made me more drawn to it than 2nd week. I’m looking forward to NJ next year.
Beyoncé can sing live perfectly fine so wrap this up
H@arassing a minor,bullying the other members,bodyshaming,hate comments and continue dragging them abt nth is not critismn
No one was bullying anyone. No one is being harassed
@@l0velyfl0wer so s***shaming a minor,de@th threats,spamming disgusting things on someone's insta account, m@king innapropriate and disgusting comments about a minor ,attacking someone's family,Sending someone gr@pe treaths,bodysh@ming someone for not having a small waist is not considerd as bullying or h@rassing?
@@l0velyfl0wer
I saw quiet a few comments that hated on Sakura for being Japanese. That was just one of many "points".
People really enjoyed bullying everyone that had to say nice things.
That is not okay.
In the end a lot of that was jealousy because their "fav" was not invited or does not have that success.
I get the frustration - but instead of promoting their favs and make sure that next chance is their favs they found more joy in bullying.
@@l0velyfl0weroh so telling a minor to commit s****de is not bullying just ✨criticism.✨ Ok. Good to know.
@@jake_outdid the MINORITY of kpop stans send death threats and gross comments to these idols and you know that. And they do that regardless of the lsfrm situation. Regarding the lsfrm situation, gross comments wouldn’t be sent to a minor if a minor wasn’t in the group to begin with. Do you think the company even care about the wellbeing of these idols? No, they’re simply using these young girls for money.
it's funny how people hating and bullying on le sserafim based on the clip they saw while the actual people that pays almost $500 to coachella praised them after watching their entire performance
Люди заплатили розраховуючи, що будуть справді артисти які вміють співати і танцювати, а їх обманули, бо на сцені були не артисти, а просто дівчатка які вибігли на сцену попригати і покричати! Треба в суд подати на hube за вкрадені 500доларів!😅
@@SuperHelga27they literally enjoyed it yall need stop making stuffs up😭
Kpop stans specially some Girl Group stans were crazy. These people wanted their favs, some wanted their favs to return and Le sserafim was actually being praised for their stage until their song perfect night got super popular.
Sakura and Chaewon already being famous and Eunchae being so loved and adored by industry as MC and her Show Eunchae star diary, Yunjin's solo projects been hot topic since like 100 days of their debut and kazuha been praised for her stage presence and her long ballet history, Kpop Stans were already mad that these girls were doing good.
I do believe They will grow but the hate this time wasn't just for the live stage, It was for everything, It was for Le Sserafim starting to be more popular then their favs, It was simply the fact that Eunchae was getting loved and It can be seen cause Criticism and Bully are totally different.
Stating that they sounded bad live while they were dancing hard-core choreo and singing completely live with no AR, No loud backtrack maybe constructive criticism, I also believe that some of them need proper vocal training and I do know that Some of them never sang before the group so It will take time.
But Constructive Criticism should have stayed there not reached their personal insta where These grown up.people were calling names to a 17 year old under her comment section. It should not have reached on straight up sl*shaming these girls, Asking kazuha and sakura to retire, calling yunjin fake, liar, And what not.
Like I have actually watched these girls stages since debut, I actually got interested in them because of their live stages and performance so If these kpop stans telling me they are bad performers is something I don't agree cause I have seen them live and they are good live even for a group that wasn't even 2 years.
I actually think Source music became one of the huge problem.for the girls as Their hate started from Easy like why would you guys give these girls a song that was not on their comfort label, and why in year of 2024 with all of the sensitive issues and people around would they chose that filming location like it was weird and I also believe these girls are extremely overworked.
But I actually praise them to come out and have courage to sing live in an industry when fans can't tell if the artists is singing live or lipsyncing or using loud backtrack cause they are so used to professionally trained lipsyncers, loud back track, AR and what not.
Also People need to realise that BP last Year also used Loud Backtrack on what 7th year of their career, Ateez also has back support and same for most of kpop idols and performers in general. I can prolly count on my fingers, how many groups can actually sing 100% live and perform the tough choreo with stable vocal and hitting every notes and there are not many who can do it cause it actually takes like years and years of practice, Years of experience.
Comparing BP with huge tour experiences and Ateez with huge tour experience to a GG who only has like a small Asia tour on their bag with so many less years of experience as a group with a literal 17 years old present in the group is insane but y'all just turn blind eye when it's not your fav group.
I do believe they will learn and improve and I hope this time Source will act maturely and actually take some action against people who have lost their mind, I really hope on seeing some lawsuits and action from them cause these girls don't deserve it.
Amd for kpop stans who are so used to their idols apologising for literally nothing and making themselves feel.small.and pity, I admire Sakura for her transparency and her courage.
Also Haters pointing out the fact that Sakura never want to grow further or such She actually said she does want to grow into better self and as a group as well.. So IdK what you talking about.
PS: I am not a fearnot, I only stan one kpop act but always casually listen groups and watch performances and some variety show but the hate against these girls was getting so out of hand I really just couldn't stand it. Kpop stans never learn!
Conclusion: their vocals bad
@@husen9941
Conclusion: you are an idiot.
Actually they got a lot of hate since debut.
Kim Garam, remember?
There were a lot of stuff they were attacked over.
One of the last was a member with a Starbucks cup at someone's concert.
They are HYBE's first girlgroup and as such expectations and hate is big.
Because it is imposssible that they are as good as artists from the Big3 to those haters.
Doesn't help that they are using a different vocal technique to every other Idol and people believe that this is bad.
Everyone else sings - or tries to - like (I believe) Cho Yong-pil.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've been performing in concerts and music festivals like this for so many years and I can totally understand, imagine and feel what they're probably experiencing up on that stage, especially the technical ones, plus the fact that they were performing with an actual live band (a killer of a band, I might say), plus the cheers/screams coming from the audience, plus it being a big tent/outdoor event, it can definitely drown out the audio coming from their in-ears and it will also affect how you deliver out your voice. (unless you have heavy backtrack playing alongside you so you can easily put yourself back on the normal volume release and tone of your voice)
And they're not even tone-deaf. Yes, there's some minor slip-ups in some notes but that's expected in these kinds of events, and that's okay and makes it natural, very human and raw as well, but still not to the point of being called tone-deaf or off-key. (which a lot of these haters and non-fans keep misusing, which totally frustrates me as a musician and singer)
And again, the hype-singing, for the people who are NOT-well-versed in music performances especially in music festivals and outdoor concerts with this "shouting/screaming" that these girls were doing (as these "critics" have been saying), it's a stylistic approach in music in live concerts, hyping people up and changing the way you sing from the original way. Or sometimes, you do the second voice instead of the original. It's pretty normal, especially in music festivals like this where you hype up the crowd and interact and entertain the audience. Plus, Coachella is mostly a party vibe where you can dance or just sit or lie down and drink, etc, and not a "concert" like the usual in domes, etc.
Sadly, today's generation (and mostly those that are just exposed in Kpop music programs only) wants performers to sound exactly like the CDs.
(which makes it boring, imo)
And the group was only using very minimal backtrack as support to add extra voices and music and guide for their timings. And they're dancing with heavy choreography.
The sad (and maybe funny) thing as well is that most of the people giving "constructive criticism" don't know anything about music at all. They're only listeners, but suddenly they've become "voice experts" or "Music Festival 101 masters", while lying down on a couch scrolling their phones and doing nothing or other stupid things and wasting their lives.
They actually don't know the long, hard work and practice that go behind every little piece of music that artists put out, especially live.
Those people just have demented minds, enjoying that feeling of criticizing others and sending hate, their kind of way of escape from their own miserable lives.
And let's not forget the hive/herd mentality of these people, especially the ones sending hate to artists or any other person.
Anyway, I actually applaud Le Sserafim for doing what they did.
They really applied what an actual real, raw, live performance should be like and with a band that are actually, actually playing live that aren't done much in Kpop nowadays that have depended too much on backtracks
(And no, I didn't say all of Kpop, before you all get triggered.)
add to the fact that they were dancing all throughout for almost an hour, and in that LA heat and strong winds.
You're either ignorant about music or in actually playing live music among a big crowd of people or just straight-up hater if you can't see those big merits that they have done in their performance.
Or you're simply just toxic.
Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, everyone in the venue actually enjoyed their performance and have been saying praises to the group, whether if they're a fan or not.
Even the real critics, music journalists and actual musicians have praised them in their Coachella performance.
The performance is for the Coachella live audience, the group adapted their performance for the event, and the group definitely, definitely delivered!!
I can see Le Sserafim getting a lot BIGGER and BETTER after this, moving forward.
The irony is, amidst all these hate, Le Sserafim gained tons of new fans!
But the bigger you become, the hate will also add up. Why? Because more people will get to know you, whether they like you or not.
More publicity.
More chances that new people will discover them and their music, their art, and will actually appreciate them. And that's where we should focus on, instead of the haters or even non-fans or even those that have "left" the fandom.
(Why are even non-fans bothering and trying to include themselves in this when they're not even, well, fans?)
Just continue on working hard on your craft, improving and focusing on your own growth.
It's better to see their journey as they continue to improve, becoming much better, especially in vocals.
Performance-wise and stage presence and the fun they bring in their performances, they already excel in it.
If they are already perfect, then that would be totally boring.
The girls are definitely working hard and improving and improving and trying out many things, especially outside the norm of Kpop.
While those haters giving "constructive criticism" and "voice experts" and forcing others to accept their opinions as the only correct one are just lying down, wasting their rotten life, and even if they do have a job or business or whatever, it just means that they're not happy in their life.
Because if you are, then you definitely don't have time to bother wasting your own time hating these hardworking, talented and successful girls and is mature enough that you'd rather just focus on being successful in your own life and being happy (by that, I mean the right way. Coz if hating them is your way of being happy, then there's definitely something wrong with you).
And if you get triggered and angered by this statement and sends more hate to them and to others, especially those that appreciate them and actually enjoyed their performance, then it says a lot more about your personality, attitude and immature, obsessive mindset. Shame on you.
And as for new people curious about the issue, just use your own judgment with an open mind and w/o being hateful, while also considering the venue and the event itself, the whole context, and not be affected by all the haters backed by troll farms just to make these girls look bad while these toxic people are promoting their own favorite groups under the hate train. I mean, it's not helping their groups at all. It would just spread more hate.
Anyway, YOU DID GREAT, LE SSERAFIM!!
Keep the fire burning!
I'm excited to see Le Sserafim continue to rise even higher in the future!
And if you're a fan, keep on supporting them. That's what they need right now.
(and to the people who have reading comprehension problems who would say you're babying them. No. I said, support the girls.)
Omg thank you!
thank you for the amazing comment on the subject (the most wholesome comment of all the comments). i like the girls, i love the performance, i will support them, but if the girls are true to themselves, will not listen too hard to all the haters, but keep up the good work, all will pass and they must not fear, fear is the mind killer...i appreciate the kind words.
BROOOOO so WHAT if they yelled?? Ateez growled half of their performance and it was SUPERB! There's nothing wrong with getting into your performance and encouraging crowd engagement.
I literally get goosebumps whenever they scream lol 😂
I feel so bad for lsf, I feel like you can get away with growling on a song like guerilla compared to easy. Both groups were having fun, ppl be using the same 3 clips of them being off key and it’s getting annoying they sound great the rest of the 40 min performance
At least they had a balance...the main singer in lsrfm was struggling
@@l0velyfl0wer that is your opinion.
It's especially BS because they do *not* have a *main* singer.
@l0velyfl0wer it's easy to have a negative opinion on something you, yourself, have never done. If you HAVE sang and danced on a Coachella stage, PLEASE, drop the link. I'd LOVE to see.
Fr like why is everyone talking abt how lesserafim were bad, but nobody is talking abt how ateez were amazing, like let's focus on positive stuff😭 yes, lsrf weren't perfect and they deserve criticism TO SOME EXTENT, but they do not deserve literal cyberbullying
I was scared you were about to say ateez messed up💀. But yeah I do agree, and the hate is waaay overboard.
@@Frofg-j4b lmao I see why u thought that, but no ateez ate that shit up
Kpop fans like to hate. Even some of these haters don’t follow LeSerrafim but just like to pile hate on HYBE
hybe artist group is ruined from their toxic fandom, the energy you put out is returned. who was talking shit about BP and Aespa coachella performance? that that its their fav turn its toxic haters... stfu and take the L and move on like the rest of us.
@@bluedrakken bro who are u talking to? im not even a fan of lsrf
작년에 블랙핑크의 공연으로 코첼라를 처음 접했고 올해 내가 좋아하는 르세라핌이 그런 큰 무대에서 공연한다는거에 기쁜마음으로 감상했습니다.
40분내내 엄청난 에너지로 관객들과 함께 즐기는 모습이 정말 감동이었고 몇번을 반복해서 시청하면서 여운을 즐겼습니다.
작년 블랙핑크의 공연과는 또 다른 느낌의 감동이었습니다.
왜 페스티발 무대를 구성이나 퍼포먼스 관객과의 호흡등은 얘기하지 않고 "오직" 보컬 그것도 "일부"만 가지고 모든것을 평가하는지 모르겠습니다.
완벽한 무대는 아니었을지언정 훌륭한 무대였다는것은 부정할수 없는 사실입니다.
4-5 kpop groups attend coachella and suddenly kpop stans think they know what a music festival is about. During a music festival, as an artist, you are supposed to command the stage,control the audience. Its not always about how godly you are singing, its about how hype-ly you are performing. If you can't move yourself on a stage during music festival or any other performances, there is no need for you to do it, you can just stick to your pre-recorded bs. Yes, they did had vocal fuck ups, they did sound bad, but dont try to act as if you know how an artist sound on pure live because the way yall have been acting,it clearly shows you dont. Constructive crtisism is always welcome but what i have witnessed in the last 2 days on twt and on other platforms is utter madness and is pure harrasment on the name of constructive critsicm. Yall mfs are literally bullying a minor mind you.
It's so stupid because no one basically performs at a festival like that trying to match their studio recording. No one. No matter the genre, let alone Kpop. Where's the backlash when a western artist chooses to change up the way they sing to hype up the crowd? Nowhere to be found because it's only Kpop fans that are this stupid.
I genuinely believe people were just waiting for them to even slightly fuck up so they can start hating on them properly. I am not a fan of them at ALL but I watched all Coachella performances of this year and while watching it I never once thought 'wow this is bad' or some shit- legit was just shaking my ass. Sure it's not the best thing I've heard vocally but it's whatever yk?
exactlyyyyy!!!!
People also forget nerves, coachella is a HUGE accomplishment and it’s a whole different environment for them.
Another thing is the hate for Eunchae is crazy. I am the same age as her and my friends train their vocals and dance all time for self-improvement, future competitions, etc. And the most they could do was one live stage. So I applaud this girl for doing such a long performance while being so YOUNG. HYBE also set her up debuting her at such a young age because she basically loses years of training. Also, I'm so emotionally unstable right now and I cannot even begin to fathom what Eunchae is experiencing deadass 💀💀
Source music debute her .
People were originally upset with Eunchae being in the group when they first debuted. It’s not really directed at her but more the people who let her debut. She’s 17 in a group with someone who is 26 it doesn’t make any sense. But it’s like, if you’re going to allow someone so young to debut, you’d expect them to be extremely talented but then she performs and it’s like meh
The HATE it's UNNECESSARY
The biggest reason why Le Seraphim is being criticized right now is because of Hong Eun-chae. She said on a fan show that other students have to wake up early to study, but she woke up at 11 o'clock and said with a smile that her manager was coming to pick her up. She said that idol life is so easy, but she seems to mock other people's lives. That's why the controversy over her live performance is so strong in Korea.
@@dadaad-g3o get your copypasta out of here
I won't defend all the blinks, bc I know some of them have been part of the hate (and it makes me sad cause I'm a blink too and it's tiring hearing people say we're toxic), but just to clarify, every single fandom is hating on the fimmies, all the kpop stans have been annoying this past months, they have even been comparing lesserafim's vocals with Shinee's, Red Velvet's and Gfriend's, all this hate is so unnecessary, but most of all they are hypocrites, they call what they do "critique" when it's just pure hate, also the atinys have been comparing Ateez performance with them, like ??? They are girls dude, you can't compare their stamina
I also wanted to add that the most annoying part of all this is the people who weren't even there is the one who's complaining, BRO, YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DIDN'T PAY A THING, SHUT THE FCK UP, THE ONES WHO WERE THERE ACTUALLY LOVED IT
and I'm not saying that Lesserafim doesn't need to improve their vocals, but if you don't stan them, why are you worried about it???
@@user-moon17 Yep like they were saying Blackpink looks tired. Or they are messing up. Or they can’t sing. Like bro, y’all were the same people hating towards Blackpink just for it. When it’s not even true. Just some small clips that you see in the media that make you think that way. A matter a fact, Blackpink had to perform like 3-4 days a week for the past 2 years. With barely no rest. But when Lesserrafim or their bias gets shades for the same thing. All suddenly they become understanding and human beings.
ateez is 6 year old band right n lsf just almost 2 years old,,,thats a big dif
Omfg speak on it they get pissed off about fearnots defending themselves
and then go "well fearnots deserve it for bringing up *insert other kpop groups*"
when they were comparing their favorite group performances to lesserifims performance and trying to bring up other groups while shading Lesserifims stage performance
And then they get pissed off when a fimmie does defend themselves like make it make fucking sense
HOPE IM KT RUDE this is so real
Also I hate how much the same ppl who are shitting on LSF are the same ppl bringing up and comparing aespas coachella stage from 2022 saying "aespas is way better" when I remember even AESPA got fucking hated bc of their "vocals" in 2022 (btw they did amazing as well)
like no one should be bringing up one group just to bring down another one it's fucking shitty and I always hated this FUCK ass behavior
Hope I'm not rude but this is so real
I hate to say this but a lot of more blinks and overall GG stans are the ones harassing them. But it’s confusing coming mainly from blinks because their group literally went through the same thing so I don’t get how they can turn around and make horrible comments towards LS. That being said, this is why I can’t be a kpop fan anymore. GG stans always ruin it for everyone but accuse BG fans of being the toxic ones. To the very but VERY few blinks who haven’t participated in the hate train, thank you for staying respectful.
To add on to this, they were also having really bad sound mixing problems. Their (band/them) audio was going up and down randomly the entire set. Kazuha's headset mic was really low. Eunchae just 10 days ago before this performance was in the hospital for Gastritis. So, she definitely wasn't performing at 100%. They had a weverse live right after this and Eunchae looked extremely tired.
I myself enjoyed the performance hiccups and all. It was a live without that much backtrack and that is something we actually want to see more of in kpop which is raw live vocals. But that isn't going to happen if this is how knetizens keep on reacting with bullying disguised as constructive criticism when anything is slightly off. So we can look forward to our staged live performances with studio backtrack/lipsyncing in the future.
Still remember people used to say Lisa can’t sing, Jennie’s a lazy dancer, and Rosé’s vocal training after predebut was ruined. But that didn’t stop them from working harder. That’s the same thing for Le Sserafim right now.
Dude they still use backtrack and sing badly it is only that they are more popular or famous. This a campaign to bring down Hybe and their artists. I do believe they need to train but the hate campaign is getting ridiculous. Hating on le sserafim won't make the blackpink members come back or sing better.
@@anagarza8326you know its really not that hard to go and watch bps encores without backtrack to realise that they actually sound good while jumping around and having fun , while others are literally just standing and sound absolutely horrible acting like they are fixing their earpiece 💀
@@anagarza8326the biggest problem is that fearnots were the first ones to attack blackpink when it was announced that lsf gonna preform at coachella, they starting comparing them and bringing down blackpink saying how lesserafim will "end" bp, it was so obvious that blinks will attack them back especially , if they cant handle it they shouldn't have started it🤷
Lisa is still the most unstable one and also the one who always screams the most like a crazy horse it's not one or 2 live shows basically in every live shows without screaming she can never save her ass she's literally a 6yrs old idol for what? And watched their full performance of shut down the energy level and co-ordination was so good but only the member who messed in terms of vocals was her but yet other members got hates while Lisa got the praises? Blinks don't understand the importance of vocals and have the audacity to judge other groups wow learn to treat your vocalist well first.
@@kxresskr5626 THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
There is a difference between hate and actual constructive criticism. The stuff that has been happening on twitter is straight up disgusting. I have literally been sick to stomach seeing the literal hate. They literally did this to itzy and itzy is no where to be found now. They have taken the joy of being a k pop fan away. Its becoming depressing being a k-pop fan and I’ve been a fan of k-pop since 2016
so valid! im tired of other fans comparing, yes lesserafim needs vocal lessons but honestly it could be way worse its just that kpop stans are not at all exposed to live singing and expect every performance to be flawless which is super unrealistic
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
This! Been saying this, but stans kept pushing this negative narrative.
@mixsonggit’s more than likely source music not giving them the resources they need bcs other HYBE groups don’t have these issues.
Sakura hired a private vocals coach
@mixsongg
🙄
And i recently saw an article about older musicians/singers who spoke about how rarely they sung live. They did lipsync more often than not.
In fact HYBE - and some other labels probably, too - expects more live singing than was expected from Idols before.
I blame the fact that most labels did not let their artists perform live in at least second gen. but also later.
Do Le Sserafim maybe need to built their lung volume more?
Perhaps.
But they did what they had to and they were good at it.
Some Kpop fans are UNREALLLL..they don’t know how to criticize correctly and run with shit anybody says. The amount of death threats I’ve seen le Sserafim get is insane. The people hating think with their ass instead of their brain 💀‼️..
WORD FOR WORDD SEBBB bc the amount of ppl ive seen hating and bullying lesserafim and calling it "criticism" is INSANE.
Full clean raw vocal, no backtrack, no mixing, no editing. Only courageous group to do that.
Blackpink? used it. Aespa? used it. Ateez? used it (altho they did really amazing I'm not taking anything from them).
pulling BTS to make a point? That's like comparing Lebron to a newbie in the NBA and they too be using much of the things i mentioned above.
I've had enough honestly. Only genuine group to do that and people use supported vocals of their faves to compare.
Ask your faves to perform with raw live vocals at Coachella and watch them freeze.
Compare energy and performance and none of your groups match these girls.
Room for improvement? yes. But if anything, the main takeaway from this performance is that it bears hints of their highest highs, showing how their potential is unmatched.
NPCS all around.
they did use backtrack only their raw mic was caught and it sounds awful
@@shadow4342Nah, they sounded ok, their show was fun and passionate. It's just that some netizens like to present themselves as knowledgeable and with "good taste" to others, it's pure acting, almost fetishistic.
@@shadow4342 then is coachella setting them up? cuz ateez, bp & aespa livestream on coachella u can still hear the backtracks. so how come only on lsf the backtrack isnt heard on livestream?
I'm sure some Blackpink fans ( not all fans ) and some Aespa fans will be bothered by reading this, but this is your opinion, say what you see. 👍
American and International audiences seemed to love the performance. The goal of performing at Coachella is to bring in new fans , Le Sserafim accomplished that goal!!
The girls are aware of their vocal issues, they even admitted that in their documentary. When Sakura said that Coachella was their best stage, she's right because all of their performances on other award shows in South Korea are not ALL CLEAN LIVE LIKE ALL THE OTHER ARTISTS DO THERE WITH BACK TRACS. Don't tell me they didn't improve, they did! Especially Sakura but we can't deny the fact that they are nervous and struggling during their LAST 2 SONGS that night.
Eunchae struggled with Gastritis a week before performing on Coachella, just imagine the struggle and the tense she must've felt.
Yunjin and Chaewon did a really great job! WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SAYING THEY CAN'T SING? They literally JUMPED, BEND AND RUN during their dance performance and literally belting the notes with that STRONG WINDS that you can literally hear on their mics. PLUS THE LIVE STREAM was fckd up, the volume kept on decreasing and then the band was loud and then the music behind the band was loud and then the voices got low then loud again.
SAKURA WAS DEFINITELY AMAZING THROUGHOUT THE PERFORMANCE. You will never see her getting anxious or frightened on her parts like before. SHE WAS STABLE THE WHOLE TIME
Kazuha was struggling on the last 2 songs, imagine being lifted on air and doing those dances she was doing was crazy.
I AGREE WITH THE "CRITICISM" THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO WORK HARD ON THEIR VOCALS AND STAMINA BUT THE HATE TRAIN WAS SO FORCED THAT EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALLY WATCHED THE PERFORMANCE "LIVE" AND JUST BASED THE WHOLE THING ON THAT "FCKD UP LIVE STREAM" WAS SO DISGUSTING THAT THEY'RE NOT GIVING CRITICISM ANYMORE, THEY'RE JUST BULLYING THEM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE LIVE PERFORMANCE ON COACHELLA SAID THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE STAGE, GETTING THE WHOLE CROWD DANCE AND HYPED AND THEY CAN LITERALLY HEAR THE GIRLS SING SO WELL SPECIALLY SAKURA, YUNJIN AND CHAEWON.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH CRITICISM AND BULLYING AND A LOT OF THIS PEOPLE ARE JUST BULLYING THEM. THAT'S IT
I really feel bad for these Idol groups, because its damned if you do and damned if you don't. They sing live and put on a full performance with singing and choreo, but some of the singing is off, and they get crap for it... but if they use a track and lip sync, they catch hell too. People have some stupid standard of unattainable perfection and just want to bad mouth people for doing something they can't even do themselves.
Also, your crap cell phone mic, and using some crap app to isolate vocals, without being plugged straight into the mixing board, your iPhone isn't catching the true vocals.
You said it perfectly.
ppl saying it's not hate but "constructive critiscm" are delusional, THIS IS PURE STRAIGHT UP HATE, i've seen things in my life but ths is horrible, and when Sakura spoke about this, not by defending herself like "y'all stop", she basically was so mature and admit that she was not perfect, y'all just make fun of her, y'all just use that as an excuse to hate on her because y'all can't process the fact that they performed at cochella not your fave and that GARAM is not a member anymore and it's been 2Y now damn MOVE ON
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
@@inquisitvem6723 don't you watch the vid can't we stop bringing other group like it's about le sserafim why do we always have to compared them it's so cringe like every group perform in there own way,
@@Meleonnn go look at other posts of people comparing and hating on LeSerrafim with those groups I mentioned. I didn’t come up with these other groups out of thin air. Btw, nothing wrong with some back tracks. Lots of western artists do it and no artist can perform 100% live all night. Even mighty Beyoncé does a mix of live and back track. Let’s keep things in perspective….just saying.
@@inquisitvem6723their encore has nothing to do with dance and is still bad. What's your point?
@@husen9941
First clue: you don't have to like it.
But that does not make it bad.
Watch the damn vid/whole performance.
I don't think much of either aespa or BP - that does not make either of them bad. it makes them not my artistst.
That is okay and a normal reaction instead of going everywhere and throwing a fit how bad X is because you are jealous that your fav did not get that opportunity/has the success.
Go out there and *promote* *your* artist.
Ask reactors for reaction. Post their best fancams. Tell everybody how good they are.
The worst is when they keep bringing Up other examples of alleged live singing, and it's Always stuff with heavy backtracks to smooth out imperfections, or some Killing Voice processed editing! It's nerve wrecking really. People have No Idea anymore how Love vocals ACTUALLY sound like, specially while Dancing.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRITICISM AND HATE, Le sserafim has beautiful vocals but not while doing that hard choreos at the same time without back up vocals, they need to change the intensity of their choreographies at stages like Coachella where there’s no back up vocals, THEY SLAY LIVE WITHOUT CHOREOGRAPHING.
They didn't *use* that much backing vocals. But lipsyncing would have been possible and others have done it.
Best guess is they have to built their lungs more with e.g. oxygen deprivation masks and treadmill running.
in kpop le sserafim was the only group perform 100% live. every other group in every single performance (except killing voice and other 100% live shows) was pre recorded. it's just stupid people don't see that. they are brainwashed and in denial. its mostly blinks and babymonster fans who hate LE sseraafim and illit. this is like a fan war between YG and HYBE. they just hate every group other than their favs. even BP who is 7+ years of experience did coachella with a backup track. they did a little choreo only barely any foorwork so that they won't mess up vocals. and here le sserafim (less than 2 years of experience) did most of the choreo while singing for an hour. "completely 100% LIVE". what did you expect ? it's just jealousy and hate and competition.
agree its actually babymonster fan who starting this because they want babymonster to become the fastest kpop gg perform in coachella...not lsf...omg their so childish n stupid
Le Sserafim has definitely lip synced countless times. Come on now
@@camileeduck1454 i am talking about coacella. music shows are obviously pre recorded and idols sing some lines on top of that if the choreo is easy. its the same for le sserafim, abymonster, illit and all other groups. only killing voice, encores, coachella etc are the 100% shows. others are all pre recorded. le sserafim did a good job. they have improved so much.
7 years? BLACKPINK did Coachella first in 2019 same stage like your girls 3years in their career, and they did amazing, it was one of the reason their popularity blow up in the west, so know your facts before commenting, no excuses for your faves, they were trained to perform they are singers, what are they doing in those stages if they can't sing to save themselves? what's the point of even debuting in the first place.
@@vchukim3369 ok see THIS is when people should stop "WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN THOSE STAGES IF THEY CAN'T SING TO SAVE THEMSELVES? WHAT'S THE POINT OF DEBUTING" first of that was UNNECESSARY, second, Lesserafim did good at coachella, yes they had there bad vocal moments but I've watched both weekend performances and they did really good, fancams confirm it and as well the livestream, not sure what livestream others were watching but on mine they sounded really good NOT ALL THE TIME let me clarify but they sounded good and had amazing energy.
now I'm a hardcore blink since debut and let me tell you that back in 2019 BP had their bad vocal moments too, it happens, too much wind blowing, it doesnt help your vocal chords, some singers are affected others are not, dancing hard asf, trying to hype the crowd, is not going to be the best vocals all the time, but Blackpink also had amazing vocal moments during their appereance, same for last year, they did so freaking good they exceeded everyone's expectations.
Now lesserafim can definitely improve but since debut they have shown that they can sing, SAKURA is a different topic, which BY THE WAY, let me say SAKURA surprised everyone, she has never been the best vocally, even she knows it, but girl showed out at Coachella, i was shocked, anyways, they have great vocals specially Yunjin and Chaewon, i dont know what's the need of commenting that way about Lesserafim when you know DAMN WELL that blackpink has had bad vocal moments throughout their career SPECIALLY at their Coachella performances and has been criticized by that, as BLINKS we know that and admit it, yes maybe this person didnt know their facts, but that shouldnt be a reason for you to get triggered and respond that way, but anyways, is always the same shit with most kpop stans, myself like some others, prefer to be different and respond different against some situations.
you are so right. I'm sick of all these hate comments
Idols should never apologize until they really have done something terrible they are already going through a rough process
I hate the part of idol culture where idols feel pressured to apologize for things when they haven't done anything wrong. Then their antis take that apology as proof of "guilt" and then act like whatever incident happened was valid. Usually it's just to appease people who are being annoying online.
For reals like what debt do they owe them just cause they don't enjoy what they do or approve of it look at Karina from Aespa giving an apology cause she dating a guy like its a human thing she has needs and is young too like damn these guys be too much definitely need some fresh air and get a life and let idols do their thing!
Same I don't want lesserafim to apologize for their performance or anything. I just want them to improve their performances.
Idols are performing a paid service, of you paid for something and they didn't deliver with the promised quality then they definitely should apologise.
Even a super famous group like blackpink had the humility amd respect for their fans to apologise for messing up during their first Korean tour date.
@@Megan-bw5zh
You get something wrong there.
It is *ART* .
You can like it or you can not. That is YOUR decision.
But other if you have yourself commissioned the work you got no say what and how they do their art.
And frankly you do not have the money to pay for anything more than merch, an album and a concert ticket and that does not pay for even one choreography.
You are just entitled.
Do you also do that with every athlet, entertainer, artist, sculptorer, actor etc.? In the US?
This is *NOT* about you.
Enjoy the artist you enjoy and leave the others in peace.
If you especially enjoy your artist help them by promoting them:
asking music reactors for them, posting fancams, talk about them and what makes them special.
I've been a kpop stan for 8 almost 9 years 😅 at this point I stay away from the comment section because the newer fans are so delusional. I'm personally not a fearnot but I do enjoy their songs .Eunchae is child and none of them deserve the HATE that people spitting or the fanwars that people that "claim to be fans" are trying to start just because they want to. Especially how they're attacking TXT
Who are attacking txt
@@_waybeom_ it was happening during music back when they were performing the live stream was being spammed with hate towards Txt saying that they don't deserve their fame and that TXT can't sing, me and some other MOA's tried to report to it but there was to many of them
@@aqeedahalexander4615 ohh.
I went to Coachella 2024 and watched their live performance. It was my very first time going and most definitely wont be my last. I will say Le Sserafim's vocals weren't stable at all and they had many voice cracks right off the bat, but singers have bad days like that. They were probably pretty nervous since it was their first time performing at Coachella, they're still a new group, and they're young. There's no need for the crazy amount of hate. I personally really enjoyed the performance and my god they are such good dancers. I don't know all of their names, I only know Chaewon because my friend told me about her but I'm definitely going to look into them more. Also I hate how people who weren't even AT Coachella are hating the life out of Le Sserafim based on only a few bad clips they saw.
Thanks for the reply and honesty. ❤ unfortunately that’s how the Kpop fandom is.
what's funny is they hate lesserafim but they also the first to get excited when lesserafim does something,, like if they don't like them just leave them and listen to your favorite
I think the antis are just scared because LSF is becoming global. They feel they are threatening their favorite's success and they don't like it.
Not really, it's more the korean citizens themselves who got really mad cause their country got represented badly in one of the biggest music events. There's no threat at all with a viral negative vocals like that. LSF has been global since last year.
Not all hate comes from jealousy
Facts. This is the antis tactic to try and knock them down before they become mainstream either since their fav group didn't succeed mainstream wise and/or try to make way for their fav group to become mainstream
100000000000000000000x agree with u
@@iambarryallenwell…. These toxic antis sure are making K-pop fandoms look bad.
Actually while watching their performance I was so nervous not as a fans but bcs there were so many crowds who would judge kpop as a whole not just Lessarafim but after watching their performance I was like, so relieved that they did so great. I was so proud of them. But next day, I saw all the criticism and hate on them for their bad performances not only vocal but also dance. I was like seriously???? Who are these people??? F**** this much hate for no f****** reason and they kept on hating hybe as well for no reason. Why can’t they understand that it is hard to dance and sing live together.
Same. I was nervous as a fearnot and nervous for kpop as a whole. But was so hyped on my ride home from work just listening through the youtube video. I was so excited for a world tour!
Then, the next thing I know, the hate train happened. The dumbest thing ever.
As a fearnot i really needed this omg the hate is was killing me damn
They weren't great ok we get it but damn these haters
I caught the last couple songs of their set. I totally get why the vocals were not there for the end. They could've been very tired and I totally get that. I used to do theatre and I've completely forgotten my lines. I love what they did especially when it came to hype up the crowd. They did their best I enjoyed what I watched.
Yes brooo. This is what people need to hear. I'm pretty new to the industry but it seems like these K-Pop fans don't really know what a live performance sounds like because that Coachella stage is exactly what they are. NOTHING IS PERFECT. It's really unbelievable to me that people can't understand that.
The other thing is that all these hate accounts and tweets are only posting the worst parts of the performance to try to make their point. They are not seeing the other side of the stage where most of the time, the girls did pretty well!
The whole situation is ridiculous and honestly sad. I will always love and respect Le Sserafim for trying to sing live and continuing to perform at such a high level despite all of the hate that they get. Thank you for the video 🙏🙏
these haters think the music shows are live. they are all pre recorded and some idols sing with the pre recorded. and some companies use non-studio pre recorded tracks with breath sounds and stuff to show like they are singing live. so most of the kpop fans really haven't seen real live versions (while dancing) they are so used to seeing fake live version and they expect that. blackpink also didnt do choreo in coachella. LSF did most of the choreo while singing for an hour. of course it's not going to be perfect. tell any other group (if you're a hater, tell ur favs) to completely live without pre recording while dancing. you'll see.
Sakura's WeVerse just hits different considering she's been in the entertainment scene for a decade, had a total of 3 debuts (AKB48, IZ'ONE, and LSFM), said it herself in the LSFM documentary that she asks for less lines because she's seen the hate comments she got for being a "bad singer", and no doubt she prob still reads online stuff.
But the fact that she is well-spoken like in the statement despite it all,..... idk, there's something admirable about it
I don't hate Sakura or anything but I wonder why she is not willing to get vocally trained?? She has been in the industry for a lot of years now. So, I am sure she can hire a personal vocal coach herself if she is REALLY willing to
the approach must be training her vocals instead of giving bare minimum which proving she aint capable of being an idol
@@onlyjaeyoon900why are you talking as if you know personally she isnt currently taking vocal lessons lol? during the coachella perf she utilised more chest singing which was different from what she was used to singing during her akb/izone days, so idk what to tell u if that isnt proof of vocal training going on then idk what it is 🤷♀️
@@onlyjaeyoon900u obviously know nothing about her, don't speak on her if u don't do ur research! If u did u would know she's been taking lessons and has improved tremendously over the years. But y'all don't even care about that bc y'all just wanna pretend she's not even trying.
@@carat_boos if she really taking vocals how could she get this bad? u mean she is really that bad that through the years she cant barely improve??
Recently the hate against Le Sserafim, Illit, Babymonster, and Vcha have been so annoying. If you don't like it, then don't listen. You don't need to broadcast your irrational reasons for hating them. How about some positive criticism? I don't think these kids can formulate a proper critique so they just hate. Then you have the brainless sheep that just think it's cool to ride the hate train and amplify something they know nothing about. I feel bad for all the artists who are trying to live their dream. They train for years, leave their families, deal with company and their own insecurities to live their dream. I will say it again, if you don't like it, walk away. Listen to whoever you like and be a good human being.
People were hating on Babymonster's songs not the people. People were hating the fact that in RUNEXT, there were better singers than the ones who debuted in ILLIT
@@l0velyfl0wer
says the hater
literally. its all about protecting minors until they aren't the best singers and suddenly we can bully them like we can sing professionally lol.
@@l0velyfl0wer plently of people were mocking the girls themselves. and even if that was their intentions they somehow manage to drag the girls along with their initial dissapointment.
@@ruthfischer7615 how am I a hater? Who am I hating?
Thank you sebastine we as Fearnot its hard to stay strong and calm. You took the words out of my mouth. Also they sang an unreleased song on their coachella stage do listen to it its so good.
I like how the people who attended Coachella, liked and enjoyed the performance but the people who hadn't attended
just hated because of some clips
Some people would rather hate than extend grace. They forget that a lot of us “normal” people can barely hold a key yet let alone jog and talk at the same time without being out of breath. But they run their mouth like they’re all professionals. It’s sad because when they want to be die hard fans, they are, but when they want to be haters, they take it to the extreme. Just get too sucked in.
they really take the chance to degrade my girlies because they are doing great so the moment they make mistakes they're gonna attack like zombies😂
You're right!!!😂
I saw this one video of Wendy (literally one of the best vocalists in kpop), she was standing still singing love on top by Beyoncé. The performance wasn’t horrible but I wouldn’t say it was good either, idols are never going to be perfect 24/7. They’re human beings. The hate is obviously so forced I can’t even look at any LSF related post without ppl in the comments mentioning their vocals although the post has no correlation whatsoever. There’s a big ass difference between saying the girls should train more for their vocal stability VS literally claiming Hybe groups can’t sing🤡
The fact that most music critics and locals who were actually there in the crowd loved the girls and had a lot of fun. 95% of the hate is from kpop fans who watched a few clips on TikTok
k-Netz and some Kpop stans in general know everything except for the differences between "Critiquing" and "bullying" and "inspiration and copying."
They will do everything to hurt these idols till the UNEXPECTED happens. smh
그들은 르세라핌이 자신이 응원하는 아이돌의 기회를 빼앗았다고 단단히 착각하고 있어요. 현재 그들의 언어폭력은 너무나도 심각합니다.. 르세라핌을 보호해야 해요
@@ENHA_illies 진심으로 그 사람들이 잘 지내길 바라요😔
The hate hurt my heart and I could imagine who the members of le sserafim felt. some people feel an Idol should be perfect and hold up all these titles and never mess up. It's people who are basically jealous because their favs give them only 1 song every couple of years. I won't name groups but like you said, nobody is perfect. Thank you Seb for this, one of the only reactors who brings this to the forefront. Real shit Respect
The solace I take away from this situation is that the girls are still able to do what they love and enjoy, are given the means to provide for themselves and their families, and are walking away with heavier bank accounts than the toxics that are attacking them. I hope they embrace their concept of not caring what the world thinks of them and they will just continue to be themselves, the girl group we all fell in love with and support through and through. I'm not a fan of "perfection", I'm a fan of Le Sserafim.
90% people that hating on Lsf didn't go to Coachella and give their opinion based on 5-10 second clips. I've seen locals who actually goes to Coachella made a video and actually posting videos about it and give positive response. It's real that some members NEED improvement with their vocals ngl, i agreed with you about it. But people really need to stop hating based on short clip and skipping the rest where they're actually did good. This goes to every group that ever exists since this actually a repetitive thing.
thank you for posting this!! I couldn’t stand going on twitter anymore cause the hate has long exceeded just “criticism” at this point.
Thank you so much for standing up for them. The hates are just going out of hands unnecessarily and the hate comments r becoming ridiculous 😭😭
Everyone jumped them immediately when they performed, instead of giving actual criticism they just started hating for no reason. It’s like they were waiting for a reason to hate on le ssera! Im not a fearnot myself but twt is being ridiculous rn. And they’re not even applauding ateez! Its like they spawned out of nowhere JUST to hate! They don’t care about how good or bad they are.. They just need reasons to hate 😐
I tried to prove the same thing then people start attacking me and won't even let me explain like it was a big day for them I hope people would calm down because blackpink don't even have a hard choreo for their music so blinks really need to shut up.fearnot knows the girls are awesome and hybe is doing the best for their group no company is doing it like hybe
Honestly I’m just happy that they had fun performing
I do agree that some idols training periods should be longer...that's one of the things that make you an idol. But all the hate towards Le Sserafim is wild.
The thing that bugs me is the « fair criticism », you can take any 4th or 5th gen groups and find something to very fairly criticise because no one is perfect, especially rookie groups. People are acting like le sserafim deserves this level of nitpicking and harassment bc 1 out of their many easy encore sounded shaky (but they sound almost like the recording and so much more confident in those a few days later) and bc they sounded out of breath when performing their choreos with full energy and no backtrack on d1. All hate trains against kpop idols started with supposedly fair criticism used as an excuse to bash them.
Sebastine u spitting out facts. LESSERAFIM COACHELLA PERFORMANCE was no where NEAR bad
as a blink and a baemon stan, as much as i love the praising for my girls, if bringing down certain girlgroups (le sserafim) just to "praise" and appreciate baemon's vocals live, i think it's pathetic and sad. It's so disgusting. Like, I love Le Sserafim bro but wtf, leave the girls alone. I feel bad for them because they literally did their best and unfortunately it wasn't perfect but enough is enough already. Comparing idols will never end and it's sad.
People be acting like they are at the top of their field if y’all had that same mentality to yourself you would be the goat at anything you be doing
everyone has off moments with vocals, no one is gonna be perfect all the time. i HATEEEEE when people watch a few clips and run with them like there's not another 40 minutes to the performance.. like please
Preach brotha!
Their vocal wasn't even bad the whole time
I was there and they didn’t sound bad. Singing live and doing choreo for 40 mins ain’t easy. Nobody there was complaining it’s just the ppl that wasn’t there is making it a big fuss.
don’t lie they were not good
@@raegangnamstylethey never said they were good are you dyslexic ? I can tell your part of the toxicity in kpop
@@raegangnamstyle tell me you didn't watch the whole live without telling u didn't watch it. come on they performed 40 mins straight and u only saw a few seconds of their mistakes and called it a day.
@@shimjeya5829 and so did many other artists and they did sound like that. leserafim have performed even for encores and sound like that. there is no excuse
@@raegangnamstyle as if u can tho you talk like you yourself can sing, y'all are so obsessed with perfection it's so funny 😭
thank you bro, i can’t stand the “fans” that make hating their whole personality. they gain nothing from hating and claim they’re just “critiquing” them 😭 especially those tiktok “news” accounts that just hate because they can and have thousands of people that agree with everything they say, i hate those so much. i absolutely love kpop idols and their music but i truly dislike some select “fans.”
Le sserafim’s schedules is very busy. They dance wholeheartedly & their performace never unenthusiastic. It’s understandable if they get tired and sounds imperfect at times. They can get sick too they are humane.
Thank you for making this video. Because fr the hate is such a reach. All those hating were just d””k riding on the hate train because it’s cool thing to do while the favs didn’t get to perform on cochella
Lesserafim is getting hated over vocals and for being 'first hybe group/BTS' first sisters' and now Kpop community is harrassing ILLIT💀 ILLIT literally just debuted a few months ago and they are KIDS. And BTS are being hated by all big 3 fandoms they be accusing BTS' to be faking their entire career as if ARMYs ain't real, Koreans calling BTS cultists and spamming 'danworld' (the cult name??)under all BTS MVs... basically hating their existing.
The way it's all related to MHJ, every HYBE group she mentioned is getting hate trains by Kpop community. It's suspicious as hell... Anyways, that witch is going jail soon so it'll end in a month or two.
Thank you for this video and perspective. Kpop stans have a habit of formulating a herd mentality, and forget that these artists also deserve basic respect. You don’t have to love them, but to constantly harass and disparage them does not nothing to better the Kpop industry.
I'll never understand why Blinks of all people hate on other groups. After what those girls went through on their rise to fame you would think Blinks would understand the best how much bullying hurts...
@@cece54hf That's such a childish way of thinking. Grouping Le Sserafim fans together with BTS fans makes no sense. That's like BTS fans all of sudden bashing Babymonster just because Blinks hated them. It makes no sense at all. Kpop fandoms need to grow up.
@@platinumpacker186You know what’s even crazier. Is that Armies do bash Babymonsters just because they’re the little sisters of Blackpink.
@@ShadowB17 which I feel like we should all agree is wrong right? It’s really not hard to love the groups you love without putting down other groups in the process
@@platinumpacker186 Yep. That’s why I said k-netizens are so fu*k up. That’s why I’m pretty happy that some idols are turning into like westerns. They are able to be themselves and be happy.
@wtstree
Blinks and revenge? So you mean to tell me that if someone (a minor) gives their opinion on BP without any backlash, you're gonna d0xx them for just having an opinion? Is that what you call "revenge"?
Any other girl groups getting dragged by toxic Blinks because they "wanna be BP so bad".. what's that all about? Is that "revenge" too?
I've also noticed a lot of misogynistic male Blinks hiding under pfp's talking shit about whoever the fuck is living their life, but I guess that's "revenge" too
Jeongyeon from TWICE has been called names for her weight.. for what tho? She is beautiful and a great vocalist
And Jimin STILL getting backlash from Kpop stans over his encore stage.. LET IT GO ALREADY. All what happened was that his in-ear wasn't working properly and that he was nervous (which is completely normal)
And these are just examples of what I've seen since I got into Kpop
There's a whole reason why people don't like Blinks (because the toxic side is taking over imo). Just stop setting up your favs, stop ruining the fandom experience (especially solo stans) and stop being in everyone's business. Just because you're bored and not getting content doesn't mean you get the right to harrass people on the internet (I'm talking about toxic Kpop stans in general)
Problem is not first live issue
Very hard to find their live performance.
Few of we can see it but all their lives are all same that's le sserafim issue
And YES Hibe need change system about girl group bc they making Only Dancing dolls only no vocal training
Sakula over 10 yrs not 2 yrs
As far I am aware Sakura debuted as a jpop idol around 13 years of age. Since then she have been actively working in the music industry. With the hectic schedule of idol I believe she didn't have enough time just to focus on vocal. Sure sakura isn't a good singer but she still excels and do her best in other parts. Why is she and other le sserafim members being dragged to the mud as if it will help them in gaining vocal? Criticism is OK but hate is NOT OK. Bullying is not OK.
@loveyourself1442
Why do you think that's bullying? "I love you, I love you." You think that's only fandom to do? Ask to Hibe do better .. that's what fandom duties are, too
I don't want K-pop just dancing real doll
Many none kpop fans(not haters) think K-pop fans are just watching shaking butties
I'M KPOP FAN I WANT TO SAY " THEY ARE GREAT ARTISTS LEASON AND WATCH THIS
that's why I say and ask hibe, please do better for K-pop fans
AM I HATER?
If it is only Le Sserafim matter, I will it just happens, NP
@jungcha9452 so you want them to be "PERFECT" huh?? You know what's funny you are inronically trying to make them a Perfect "Doll" just to boost your so call ego & brag to people how great of a person you are since you listen to" real singers". As I have previously said criticism is OK but bullying is not. Are u purposely dismissing and turning blind eye to the fact that le sserafim are being s**tshamed , receiving death threats and all the hate. How convenient to act like a Saint and be a bigger person just because they are "bad singers"
@jungcha9452 @jungcha9452 you want them to be "PERFECT" huh?? Ironically you are trying to make them a Perfect "Doll" to boost your so call ego. As I said criticism is OK but bullying is not. Are u purposely dismissing the sl*tshaming , death threats and all the hate they are getting just because they are "bad singers"?
@@loveyourself1442 I don't want them to be perfect .. ..did you really read mine?
It wasn’t even bad though…
Girl
@@Monbebesaurus boy
@@minicoco281how you know they go with that pronoun 🤨
@@Kumo_rizz I wasn’t calling them a boy… they said girl so I said boy
@@Kumo_rizz that goes to the same person who called them girl lmaoo
They gonna pull the “its just criticism” and then calling them names like hello?? If your really giving them criticism stop hating the girls hate the damn company!! 💀
their performance wasn’t even that bad like omg?
thank you for speaking about this, is honestly so sad to see so many hate, is incredible, people is being purely cruel, it has to stop
Those people are pissing me off like seriously, stop hateing them!!!! Its called live singing ever heard of it?
they did sound bad though there is difference between live singing and sounding good.
@@raegangnamstyle They didn’t sound bad they sounded OKAY not 100% spectacular stop exaggerating sht
@@kaixuko2757 for them to be idols they didn’t sound good. maybe you haven’t heard them sing but that was not a performance anyone wanted to hear
@@raegangnamstyle have u ever tried singing live tho? cuz as a singer myself singing live will never be easy.
@@shimjeya5829 there a hundreds of singers and kpop artists who can sing live. that is not an excuse. singing live is just the same as singing but in front of people.
They were serving last night on the second week and they left no crumbs. And well said Sebastine when you spoke about singing live being scary and it is totally different when you are outside and especially with such a large area because the sound echos. I am X Gen and a musician and I grew up when everyone sang with their natural vocals because there was no auto tune or pitch correct and when the musicians were live, there was no lip syncing. And singers have special nuances about their voice which is really special. The fact that the current generations do not know what natural voices sound like due auto tune and pitch correct...NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can sing perfectly the voice is always a smidge higher or lower than the actual note because we are human not computers. And talk to me after you've seen Freddie Mercury perform live with Queen multiple times. If you were lucky enough you would know even Frediie Mercury's voice would crack occasionally and he wouldn't be absolutely perfect all the time and that made it even more rock and roll. Of course there were times when his vocals were like ecstasy. Thank you for this video and saying this, people need to hear it.❣️🎸🤘🏻
I really don't get the constant pestering and outright bullying on them
If they really don't want bad singers to be idols they should stop it before they debut, not wait until they made a career and start bullshitting every time they see their faces non-stop
It's so frustrating, They don't sing too well we get it, but leave them tf alone with people that appreciate them and support them for their other talents, why you gotta pull up every time and shit in somebody's fun
MIND YO BUSINESS
While the girls are vocally weak, their performance was most raw compared to Blackpink, Aespa, and Ateez which had more backtracks. Their choreo was also much more intense than BP and Aespa. Let’s see any other kpop group willing to go raw like they did. We have to be honest
Vocals are just one side of a multifaceted thing that makes kpop enjoyable to a lot of people. If vocals is at the top of your interests, a group like LSF was never gonna be your favorite. There are so many groups out there that can satisfy your personal tastes. What I don't get is trying to apply your own personal tastes to every group, and then shitting on them if they don't meet it. You don't have to be a fan if you don't like a group; doesn't mean you get to be a hater too though.
i think people forgot these idols are.. real people?? like with feelings and thoughts etc etc. they treat idols they arent fans of, like they are just nothing. they work SO hard to even get a chance to debut and they go through so much pressure to try to always look and act perfect and they just get absolutely bullied. i feel so sorry for all the idols with these crazy haters.
not to mention there is a literal minor in this group!! and lots of other groups recently. like you ppl are bullying kids
I do believe that Hybe made a mistake pushing them to Coachella so fast. I mean they could have agreed to appear next year and practice more. I do believe that it is also a management issue but the hate campaign is getting ridiculous.
Thank you!!! People go to far. This is what I hate about fandoms.
All people gotta say is “I didn’t like the performance I think they need more experience and training” and leave it at that. It doesn’t need to go into these comments about pride, shame, appearances, confidence etc it’s just low. If ppl don’t like it that’s ok, but if they tune into week 2 they’re officially obsessed with them. Unfortunately kpop has a lot of obsessive behaviour that is becoming a little scary. Thank you for talking about this Seb, it doesn’t matter who the group is, it’s really important to talk about this right now as kpop has many sides to it
Kpop stan haters go from Momo to Lesserafim to Riize…if kpop industry went full raw singing and dancing you can be sure all kpop fans of their favs will get a shock to their system
Sebastine, you really deserve respect for this video! It’s just that this generation is cooked.
My favorite part(/sarcasm) of this is that it's Blinks who are causing the most ruckus. I LOVE that (/sarcasm), because I just KNOW it's partially because Black Pink didn't go back to Coachella this year. I've been seeing them tearing down Ateez, The Rose and Jackson Wang, too. BlackPink are still the same talented, funny, adorable idols they've always been, and where they do and don't perform doesn't change that. The jealousy-fueled hate their fandom is exhibiting isn't cute. Like, the extreme negative reaction to these mistake clips.....from the same fandom who got pissed when people were reacting negatively to clips of Jennie having off days on stage and looking "lazy".......
I mean, yes, the vocals weren't great and they should definitely improve but this is no longer hate or constructive criticism. People are fr bullying them now which is so uncalled for.
I understand Coachella is a big performance and big festival and people expect quality and okay, maybe vocally, the girls weren't ready for Coachella yet. BUT the performance itself, if you take out vocals, was incredible. These girls are top notch performers and they know how to get a crowd going and put on a show.
If people don't like their performance, just scroll on and watch something you do like. If you feel the need to comment on their vocal performance, fine but do so respectuflly.
"riize doesnt sing stably" let me hear yall sing while doing ANY riize choreo pooks......
calm down boy group stan. only girl groups deserve hate right?
@@bunnienaevis that's a wild assumption when the OP never indirectly or directly said a damn thing similar to that conclusion.
@@bunnienaevis babe i stan more girl groups that boy groups
@@KyndraRenee LITERALLY CAUSE HUH
@@KyndraRenee and im literally a gg stan bye
They already do their best and I appreciate that, it's just people's expectations too high cause many people said the previous group is doing better than them (Blackpink, Aespa, 2ne1, Ateez, and The Rose). Im not gonna defend or talk shit about them, I only can appreciate them for doing their best
Anyway you defend them so well 🙄
girlgroup competition is very tough now. When you make one mistake, other girlgroup fans look for opportunities to bring you down. imo that's what happened to itzy, and now sserafim. I won't be surprised if in the future new names appear😔
Le sserafim definitely needs the critism so that they can improve because that coachella performance defined wasn't their best. In person it felt like the best time mainly because of the vibes but for onscreen watchers, they see and hear things that in-person doesn't notice. Plus they debuted like a year ago. They weren't ready for an event as big as coachella. The songs they have arr also not in their range for singing live. Like Easy and Smart. Its too low for them. Compared to the songs they sang great in like their unreleased song and unforgiven. This I blame the company for. Which is why the trainee period to practice these things is important and why it's long. Le sserafim trainee period was short. There are also lessons provided after debut so that can improve more amd earn things that they want t learn.
The hate that they are getting is really unnecessary and people are taking it too far. Nowadays, people don't like when idols get critised for something and that's how this thing spiraled out of control. Le sserafim isn't tone deaf, they just have problems with their vocal techniques especially breathing. They are also such great performers which is the aspect of their coachella performance that I really like. I also hate that people are comparing them to other groups. Like its not for any reason. And they are doing it just to do it
Thanks bro. You related my feelings from beginning to end.
Dancing like they did and trying to sing at the same time, With a LIVE band. Yeah I totally understand but they don’t deserve this. Ther humans, they just didn’t have it that day. I’m not a fan. But singing in front of thousands of pple. They deserve respect just like every other band. Yes exactly move on…NEXT.