"Won't survive one week in Europe with clear windows" Yeah, Europe is a monolithic place that's barely bigger than a Chinese tier 5 city or something? I've been driving in Germany for a decade, never tinted my windows, and never had any break-ins. It's quite common for Germans to have clear car windows in fact, because the sun doesn't exist in Germany.
Europe has an area of 10 million km² vs China's 9 million km². But 4 million km² is Russia. So the area of Europe - Russia is 6 million m². If EUROPE - Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, (territory of the Soviet Union) So real Europe is only 5 million km². Or 1/2 a continent.
I had my rental car's window smashed on the first night I arrived in Milan. I also got deliberate puncture in Barcelona so they can steal everything inside the car while we were changing tyre. The day I went to the Chinese emabssy to get my temporary passport, I met with 15 other Chinese who had experienced some kind of robbery. So I stand by my point.
It's already hard to watch your videos as an European and constantly being reminded of the prices we have to pay... and now on top of that you have to reminds us about the crime rates 😂
Stellantis: spends longer than perhaps any other major European automaker bitching to Brussels about the threat of cheap Chinese import EVs and the need for tariffs to keep the Chinese out Also Stellantis: out of the blue buys large stake in cheap Chinese EV maker Leapmotor, including exclusive rights to export said cheap Chinese EVs around the world, and suddenly Carlos Tavares is not so much in favor of EU tariffs against Chinese made EVs anymore! EU: imposes those tariffs anyway Stellantis: shocked pikachu face
Great video! 👏👏👏 I'm curious: Do you work full time for these reviews? What did you do before? Where did you learn your perfect English language? These videos are great! 😁😁
25-30K here easily, China can’t export now without tariffs and taxes. If they make them in Europe same problem, costs too high. Just double any price you see in China and you’ll be close.
I hope this will not turn into one of those "multiplatform" cars used by stelantis, with forward wheel drive, non independent rear suspension and a 51 kWh battery pack, sold in Europe for euro 30.000 and up. That would be the total submission and discredit of Leap Motor to the worse the europeans can make.
Please don’t misunderstand tariffs on Chinese cars. Initially, only a few Chinese cars were available in the EU, and those that were had extremely high (extortionate) profit margins set by Chinese manufacturers. The tariffs reduce the amount Chinese companies can mark up their cars in the EU. While these tariffs do affect EU consumers, they theoretically should benefit from the taxes they pay through tariffs. Take Australia as a comparison: it has no tariffs on Chinese cars, yet the Leapmotor C10 is priced at 217,000 RMB there. In China, the same model costs 155,800 RMB, while in Europe it’s priced at 276,000 RMB. With EU tariffs as high as 45% (+10% import duty, +20% VAT), EU buyers end up paying around 157,000 RMB for the car. This suggests that Australia is overpaying, while EU tariffs are pressuring Chinese manufacturers to offer more competitive prices within the European market. It seems like an EU consumer is paying less than a Chinese consumer for a Chinese car, after accounting for all other costs. This topic is worthy of an in-depth analysis.
Curiously, you say, "Please don't misunderstand tariffs," when you seem to have no comprehension of the topic. A combination of greed and miscalculation left Western economies decades behind concerning China's innovations in EVs, batteries, IT, etc. Thus, contrary to popular "spin," tariffs are employed purely as protectionism to allow the aforementioned to close the gap. Still, considering China is a leader in global patent filings, such efforts will likely prove fruitless.
I cringe when people cheer on higher taxes and how they will benefit us. Acting like we don't have enough taxes in EU. In my country, the state takes ~50% of my salary and then charges ~20% VAT (soon to be higher) on everything I buy plus countless of other taxes and fees. And then they expect me to pay another 45% when I buy a car. Nice. I mean, I do see your point on how it will limit the profit margin. But in the end, higher taxes always result in higher prices. Someone has to pay it and that someone is the end consumer, the people. Rather than listening how they make Chinese cars more expensive for us, I'd like to hear how they plan to make cars/transportation affordable.
@christianh7378 How are they forming a price? Is it China's way, with 2-3 models fully specked up, or Western way, starting naked & with each and every option costing arm & leg?
@@kaurinjugoslav6326 There are just two configuration lines for this car and the only separate extra with costs for the car is the colour. Maxed out price is 39.900€ If you like dark green you "save" an additional 800€. 😉
No chance it will be 14K EUR. For a start there are tariffs, taxes, country specific taxes like VAT in UK (which is 20%), dealer margin etc etc. Looking at the car itself, its size means it’s comparable to something like an Kia EV3 or Skoda Elroq and very likely to be 25-30K EUR at least when it gets here.
Stellantis has a problem, recently Leapmotor announces it will close its factory in Poland due to the geopolitics between China and EU (China forbids Leapmotor to invest in EU, cuz of the 10% tax from Brussels)
@@DonHrvato They are planning to invest in the EU countries which voted against the tariffs so currently this means there are plans for production in Germany and Slovakia while the Polish plant is ruled out with a possible end to the current production there.
Wait a minute! Ain't you the one whose political commentary is misplaced? What tariff did China place on European goods to trigger that EV tariff from Europe? Let's know please and just so you know, nobody is saying Europe does not have the right to impose tariffs.
saying that we europeans should sort out our gov. first is a bit rich. We either put tariffs (which we already did, just like US did) on these chinese government subsided cars or we put hundreds of thousands (or millions even) of ppl hired in the european automotive industry on the street. And that's a social-political problem no government in europe wants to go thru right now (or ever, really). It's a bit more complex of an issue than it seems at a glance. Don't get me wrong - I love all this progress in this industry happening in China right now. It's going at neck-break speed, compared to the competition. But I also understand the implications for the rest of the world and why these tariffs were introduced.
Think, Why lower prices and automatization is bad for a society?, Why the government dont lower the taxes? If the government can print money as the case for financing ukrania, Why the government need taxes?. Do you know that the CHINA government lower the TAX from 17% to 13% to make easy for the people of china buy things?
@@BienestarMutuo how did you conclude that I think automation is bad? or lower prices are bad? Read my comment again mate. Europe procduces expensive cars, but gives A LOT of ppl good paying jobs. Chinese government subsidizes the chinese automorive industry heavily. Ergo, chinese cars are much cheaper. If you let these cars onto international markets without any (Im not saying tariffs are the best solution - we can force chinese companies to produce cars here, in EU) regulation - they will wipe out any other car industry in that market. As a european, I would not like for my neighbour to go broke only for me to pay less for a new car.
@@VV-ux1ew interesting take. But my point still stands - if EU lets chinese cars onto it's soil, without any regulations (like tariffs) then EU is risking a huge hit to it's automotive industry, which employs a lot of europeans. Chinese cars are simply too cheap for the european companies to compete (energy prices, social benefits and general cost of living in europe vs. China, raw material prices etc.). If you're looking at this only from the perspective of a european consurem (which I guess a lot of ppl commenting here are) - then you get upset quickly. But governments look at a bigger picture. They would risk hurting one of the biggest industries they have. I would argue if this scenario is played in reverse: Europe would be producing a lot of cheap cars and would like to sell them in China, China would also take steps to limit this in order to protect it's own industry. Just look at the european Automotive brands beeing forced into joint-ventures to be able to operate in China.
@@mrdol Friend, when you can compete then you say, free market is good, all the markets need to be open. That was the message of USA and Europe to the World. Now they can not compete, then they say: You are subsidizing. Yes, every government give money to big companies (not to citizen, not to small business). If you try to setup a company, that can be in any country in the world, you will find that the direct and indirect taxes in USA and Europe are very big in comparison to China. The problem is taxes, China keep lowering the taxes, the last measure was reduce the IVA from 17% to 13% to increase the consumption of Chinese people. What is doing your country with the taxes?. is game over for USA and Europe.
"Won't survive one week in Europe with clear windows" Yeah, Europe is a monolithic place that's barely bigger than a Chinese tier 5 city or something? I've been driving in Germany for a decade, never tinted my windows, and never had any break-ins. It's quite common for Germans to have clear car windows in fact, because the sun doesn't exist in Germany.
He has to include it, it's part of the propoganda. China is the best you know, they all know it. The rest is garbage, the people and the places.
Europe has an area of 10 million km² vs China's 9 million km².
But 4 million km² is Russia.
So the area of Europe - Russia is 6 million m².
If EUROPE - Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, (territory of the Soviet Union)
So real Europe is only 5 million km². Or 1/2 a continent.
@@seauryakumarHe didn't lie about the low crime rate. Thanks to 2 billion CCTV
@@AlfarrisiMuammar too bad for the serial killers.
I had my rental car's window smashed on the first night I arrived in Milan. I also got deliberate puncture in Barcelona so they can steal everything inside the car while we were changing tyre. The day I went to the Chinese emabssy to get my temporary passport, I met with 15 other Chinese who had experienced some kind of robbery. So I stand by my point.
In Europe it will cost 35-40k. I seriously hate our tax scam. Give us the Chinese prices of cars.
It's already hard to watch your videos as an European and constantly being reminded of the prices we have to pay...
and now on top of that you have to reminds us about the crime rates 😂
LOL 😂 So true though haha 😂
Yes well, but at which cost.
Here in Australia we can get lots of excellent Chinese cars, unfortunately the greater percentage of the are SU fing Vs.
Stellantis has made a wise choice for investing in Leap Motor.
While they don’t destroy them like they’re doing with most of their brands is ok
51% ownership
@peterpanda1970 what did Stellantis do?
@ crappy engines, all cars equals to each other by segment. They killed the quirkiness of Citroën, etc
Man! It looks amazing! Can't wait for it to reach Egypt!
BYD Yuan Plus is due to an update, seems like BYD totally forgot about it and the competition is much more upscale in terms of design.
I think Geely Galaxy E5 is currently the most compelling vehicle in that segment, now that the Yuan Plus is a bit longer in the tooth
So it's about 20% cheaper than the C10?
It'll be interesting to see what price it ends up at if it comes to Australia... potentially under A$40K.
this is the first time I see a leapmotor ev video and I love its design language
This looks like an excellent Stellantis vehicle... I meant Leapmotor😆.
B10 looks great.
Stellantis: spends longer than perhaps any other major European automaker bitching to Brussels about the threat of cheap Chinese import EVs and the need for tariffs to keep the Chinese out
Also Stellantis: out of the blue buys large stake in cheap Chinese EV maker Leapmotor, including exclusive rights to export said cheap Chinese EVs around the world, and suddenly Carlos Tavares is not so much in favor of EU tariffs against Chinese made EVs anymore!
EU: imposes those tariffs anyway
Stellantis: shocked pikachu face
@@tren133 Most of the EU automakers are not in favor of the tariff regime, haha.
It is interesting for sure.
Well done Leapmotor.
This car designed to me hit as simple but mature. Its a Vibe ❤
Another good review 🎉😊
The MG ES5 SUV is just out and on sale for 99.9K RMB. No English review yet... I'm curious about that one.
It is beautiful. I like B10 too.
Great video! 👏👏👏 I'm curious: Do you work full time for these reviews? What did you do before? Where did you learn your perfect English language? These videos are great! 😁😁
f1 commentator, on TV
@@ThreeWater618 Thank you very much, and he's great! 👏👏👏
Just check out his channel intro video.
@@何凌虚 Awesome! I have just watched this video and now I know more about him. He's very professional 👏👏
Plz.. bring it to Europe with 20k price 🔥🔥🔥🔥
i doubt, this car with shipping cost will be at least 17000 and we haven't even talked about 30-35% tariff + dealership markup
the guy said, you should ask brussel not leap motor or chinese
25-30K here easily, China can’t export now without tariffs and taxes. If they make them in Europe same problem, costs too high. Just double any price you see in China and you’ll be close.
I hope this will not turn into one of those "multiplatform" cars used by stelantis, with forward wheel drive, non independent rear suspension and a 51 kWh battery pack, sold in Europe for euro 30.000 and up. That would be the total submission and discredit of Leap Motor to the worse the europeans can make.
Other countries: we need to forced ev adoption soon!
China: oh, let us help
Other countries: **** you gimme money!
@Telescope could you review the Dong Feng E pie 008?
Please don’t misunderstand tariffs on Chinese cars. Initially, only a few Chinese cars were available in the EU, and those that were had extremely high (extortionate) profit margins set by Chinese manufacturers. The tariffs reduce the amount Chinese companies can mark up their cars in the EU. While these tariffs do affect EU consumers, they theoretically should benefit from the taxes they pay through tariffs.
Take Australia as a comparison: it has no tariffs on Chinese cars, yet the Leapmotor C10 is priced at 217,000 RMB there. In China, the same model costs 155,800 RMB, while in Europe it’s priced at 276,000 RMB. With EU tariffs as high as 45% (+10% import duty, +20% VAT), EU buyers end up paying around 157,000 RMB for the car. This suggests that Australia is overpaying, while EU tariffs are pressuring Chinese manufacturers to offer more competitive prices within the European market. It seems like an EU consumer is paying less than a Chinese consumer for a Chinese car, after accounting for all other costs. This topic is worthy of an in-depth analysis.
Curiously, you say, "Please don't misunderstand tariffs," when you seem to have no comprehension of the topic. A combination of greed and miscalculation left Western economies decades behind concerning China's innovations in EVs, batteries, IT, etc. Thus, contrary to popular "spin," tariffs are employed purely as protectionism to allow the aforementioned to close the gap. Still, considering China is a leader in global patent filings, such efforts will likely prove fruitless.
I cringe when people cheer on higher taxes and how they will benefit us. Acting like we don't have enough taxes in EU. In my country, the state takes ~50% of my salary and then charges ~20% VAT (soon to be higher) on everything I buy plus countless of other taxes and fees. And then they expect me to pay another 45% when I buy a car. Nice.
I mean, I do see your point on how it will limit the profit margin. But in the end, higher taxes always result in higher prices. Someone has to pay it and that someone is the end consumer, the people. Rather than listening how they make Chinese cars more expensive for us, I'd like to hear how they plan to make cars/transportation affordable.
是不是有流媒体后视镜就没装后雨刷啊
What made you choose E5 over C10?
This isn't all about the Bruxelles... Stelantis has smthng to say about the pricing structure as well. I do not see it under EUR35k!
The C10 is starting from 36.400€ in Germany, so 30k for the B10 is realistic.
@@christianh7378 Still... The price difference blows up the mind!
@christianh7378 How are they forming a price? Is it China's way, with 2-3 models fully specked up, or Western way, starting naked & with each and every option costing arm & leg?
@@kaurinjugoslav6326 There are just two configuration lines for this car and the only separate extra with costs for the car is the colour. Maxed out price is 39.900€
If you like dark green you "save" an additional 800€. 😉
No chance it will be 14K EUR. For a start there are tariffs, taxes, country specific taxes like VAT in UK (which is 20%), dealer margin etc etc.
Looking at the car itself, its size means it’s comparable to something like an Kia EV3 or Skoda Elroq and very likely to be 25-30K EUR at least when it gets here.
Why are they edging us on the interior?
Please have buttons, please have buttons, please have buttons
Good price
When comes to technology China 🇨🇳 is far ahead of computation 🔥🔥🔥🔥
i want my b10 in Spain, please
Stelantis Got it right to invest in Leapmotor
Stellantis has a problem, recently Leapmotor announces it will close its factory in Poland due to the geopolitics between China and EU (China forbids Leapmotor to invest in EU, cuz of the 10% tax from Brussels)
@@DonHrvato They are planning to invest in the EU countries which voted against the tariffs so currently this means there are plans for production in Germany and Slovakia while the Polish plant is ruled out with a possible end to the current production there.
@@ensteffocomes handy when you consider the many factories that stelantis have in those different countries
I prefer this one above the mg es5
No hope for a Dodge Rambler, alas. At least for the next four years.
I love your videos but your political commentary is misplaced. Brussels has every right to impose tariffs, as China has always done too.
Wait a minute! Ain't you the one whose political commentary is misplaced? What tariff did China place on European goods to trigger that EV tariff from Europe? Let's know please and just so you know, nobody is saying Europe does not have the right to impose tariffs.
saying that we europeans should sort out our gov. first is a bit rich. We either put tariffs (which we already did, just like US did) on these chinese government subsided cars or we put hundreds of thousands (or millions even) of ppl hired in the european automotive industry on the street. And that's a social-political problem no government in europe wants to go thru right now (or ever, really). It's a bit more complex of an issue than it seems at a glance.
Don't get me wrong - I love all this progress in this industry happening in China right now. It's going at neck-break speed, compared to the competition. But I also understand the implications for the rest of the world and why these tariffs were introduced.
Think, Why lower prices and automatization is bad for a society?, Why the government dont lower the taxes? If the government can print money as the case for financing ukrania, Why the government need taxes?. Do you know that the CHINA government lower the TAX from 17% to 13% to make easy for the people of china buy things?
其实2015年《巴黎协定》以后美国欧洲日本韩国等 ，对新能源汽车的补贴大部分要高于中国。每个国家对自己本土公司的新能源都大量补贴的。好比当年的日本 20年前举全国之力去发展氢能源，2015年日本每辆氢能源汽车至少补贴200万日元，就是现在日本每辆电动汽车还能补贴80万日元。。当年可都有补贴 只是中国做成了而已，现在的中国依靠完整的产业链，智能化， 自动化生产，还有规模化都能大量的削减成本。别什么都依赖政府补贴。2022年12月31日就停止补贴了。现在是购置税减免。当然这也算补贴了，。英国好像1500英镑的补贴吧，德国好像3500欧元的补贴，法国好像7000欧元的补贴吧。韩国好像680万韩币的补贴本土电动车再加250万韩元的补贴。当然这些数据可能不准确 可能过时了。
@@BienestarMutuo how did you conclude that I think automation is bad? or lower prices are bad? Read my comment again mate.
Europe procduces expensive cars, but gives A LOT of ppl good paying jobs. Chinese government subsidizes the chinese automorive industry heavily. Ergo, chinese cars are much cheaper. If you let these cars onto international markets without any (Im not saying tariffs are the best solution - we can force chinese companies to produce cars here, in EU) regulation - they will wipe out any other car industry in that market. As a european, I would not like for my neighbour to go broke only for me to pay less for a new car.
@@VV-ux1ew interesting take. But my point still stands - if EU lets chinese cars onto it's soil, without any regulations (like tariffs) then EU is risking a huge hit to it's automotive industry, which employs a lot of europeans. Chinese cars are simply too cheap for the european companies to compete (energy prices, social benefits and general cost of living in europe vs. China, raw material prices etc.). If you're looking at this only from the perspective of a european consurem (which I guess a lot of ppl commenting here are) - then you get upset quickly. But governments look at a bigger picture. They would risk hurting one of the biggest industries they have.
I would argue if this scenario is played in reverse: Europe would be producing a lot of cheap cars and would like to sell them in China, China would also take steps to limit this in order to protect it's own industry.
Just look at the european Automotive brands beeing forced into joint-ventures to be able to operate in China.
@@mrdol Friend, when you can compete then you say, free market is good, all the markets need to be open. That was the message of USA and Europe to the World. Now they can not compete, then they say: You are subsidizing. Yes, every government give money to big companies (not to citizen, not to small business). If you try to setup a company, that can be in any country in the world, you will find that the direct and indirect taxes in USA and Europe are very big in comparison to China. The problem is taxes, China keep lowering the taxes, the last measure was reduce the IVA from 17% to 13% to increase the consumption of Chinese people. What is doing your country with the taxes?. is game over for USA and Europe.
I love EVs, i HATE SUVs.
Safty
The Europeans blame you for being misleading because tariffs their own government put in place, is raising their prices? lol sour grapes
Spelling error BTW