I build this deck with 97 lands, First Sliver and Tibalt’s Trickery, and Eternal Dominion as the win con. Grab your opponent’s best stuff as your win con, or just assemble one of their combos
This will also work with pantlaza, sun favored with the added benefit of being able to have the exact colors you need to cast the commander a little easier.
@@Jimmy-z2g it wont because pantlaza only discovers on ETB, while a cascade spell stays on the stack. tibalt's trickery needs to counter one of your spells to allow you to cast another.
Ive gone against this deck several times on arena brawl. Its payoff is normally a cultivator colossus that gets as big as they want since the rest of the deck is lands, and just banking on the opponent not having removal.
@@KeganKirby I played this deck in historic brawl, people tend to focus on the cultivator too much and the zombies from field to notice all the taplands are hiding a maze sometimes
@shonmatthew real. To be honest, I never let them finish comboing off and would always just scoop since I was always playing mono green stompy and my only creature kill spells were just nearly useless fight spells.
magic as a broken game and being easy to win ISNT a new concept but I am glad guys like this are joining the game and feeling the same rush we all did the first time. hopefully they evolve into an actual player tho because this sort of thing is toxic garbage, we all have to go through this phase but Its important to evolve into an actual player.
@@Dj87887 Countering Tibalt's Trickery would work pretty well. You could also respond to the cascade trigger and counter The First Sliver, so that the Tibalt's Trickery has no target. Doesn't end the combo, but buys you a couple turns.
@@timburgener9004 There's a couple lands you can play that'll help with that, e.g. Mystic Sanctuary (which is an Island and can return Trickery), Cave of Souls (making your commander uncounterable), Mirrorpool (copying trickery if you have extra mana) so it's not like you're guaranteed to lose if somebody's got a counter up. But yeah, interaction makes these types of jank decks much harder to pop off with, thankfully (otherwise everybody would be running this)
I've seen a similar idea except with the new pantlaza, sun favored with the discover. Commander is pantlaza obviously, then the deck has 95 lands(filled with stuff like ancient tomb, city of traitors, crystal vein, depletion lands, etc, to cast her faster than turn 5), long road home, creative technique, decree of annihilation and barren glory. You cast pantlaza, discover long road home which blinks pantlaza and brings her back on the end step with a counter so you then discover creative technique, you demonstrate it to get 2 copies and it finds you decree of annihilation which wipes put everything, then barren glory so you win on your next upkeep and nobody has any permanents or cards in their hand to answer it lol.
Approach Eldrazi (any) Eldrazi Conscription NB "God-Pharaoh" NB "Dragon God" Godsire Chimil, the Inner Sun Mavren and Ghalta Chromatic Orrery Drana, the Last Bloodchief Maelstrom Nexus The Kami War Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty Maelstrom Wanderer Bringer of the Black Dawn ↑Blue Dawn ↑White Dawn Sphinx of the Second Sun Just a few ideas.
Throw in “mask wood nexus” and every creature you cast becomes a sliver so you get to continue to cascade even more:) it even works for creatures you cast with etali.
This screws yourself over. Maskwood Nexus is less than 5 mana, so you're no longer guaranteed to hit Tibalt's Trickery. Doing nothing for 4 turns just to play The First Sliver cascading into Maskwood Nexus is an atrocious gameplan.
@@theblan1k0ne 54% of the time that ends up with mulling to 0 and beyond just so you can put Maskwood Nexus on the bottom. A substantial amount of cards in your deck needs to be creatures for maskwood nexus to have any value, so if you do mull to 0, you probably won't be casting The First Sliver until turn 6 or 7. And finally, even if you get Maskwood Nexus out on turn 4, what would it achieve actually? The gameplan is play The First Sliver, cascade into Tibalt's Trickery countering your own The First Sliver, and then you flip a wincon. At no point will The First Sliver ever enter the battlefield.
Another way to do something like this is maelstrom wanderer as commander, with only etali and displacer kitten and nonceature spells with CMC 8 or greater to loop etali
The more I think about it, cultivator Colossus would be insane because it lets you power out all of your lands in order to play another 2 or 3 big mana cards the following turn as well
Holy shit I played against this deck last night, had no clue what was going on. They resolved the trickery and then scooped so no clue what happened lmao.
@@jamabr2000 it genuinely isn't. If anything the issue is that they're mostly in blue. Having to observe what interaction people might have makes the game actually have a more interesting layer than largely "who spent more money on their deck"
I would add a Bloodbraid Elf and Shardless Agent to act as 2 additional copies of Tibalt's Trickery, and simplify your color requirements, allowing you to go off earlier than turn 5. You could also add some grossness with Mirror March, or a storm finisher.
@@chaselewis5372 the tradeoff is probably worthwhile... With no additional card draw, you're looking at a 1 in 92 or 91 shot to hit the other lower-cost cascade spell off of the trickery, and decent enough odds to just hit both on the way through to the Trickery. Having cascade stubs also prevents you from crashing out entirely, if someone has access to a board wipe. You should probably also run a Possibility Storm in here, which also allows you to cash in for massed cascade triggers later, in the event that your first 3 tries whiff, entirely. It forces you to reassess whether or not a storm finisher is a wise endgame, but it's another possible piece that trades consistency, in this case, for robustness, keeping you in the game if someone drops a Flusterstorm on you. Also, Trickery chaining into the lower end of your already high curve makes things kinda rough, as it leaves you having to wait even longer to fire up the chain again, but with people now aware of your entire game plan...
Probably use something like aetherflux reservoir or tendrils of agony as your win con and figure out ways to still continue chaining spells while having it early in the stack. I might experiment with this now as a troll deck against my friends.
Would have loved keruga companion. But tibalt trick does it dirty, channel lots of removal to keep tempo, suspend ramp is good to play teh waiting game, delve also helps accelerating the deck. Also on the removal//cantrips idea adventures are also good to set up
I feel like this could really benefit with impulse draw and impulse draw payoffs a la Faldorn. Only problem is that you want this deck to be stacked with lands ( I assume).
I built this with eternal dominion but then found you you can flat out just win with a mazes end combo on the turn you cast it using primal surge & deserted temple.
i much prefer first sliver into cascade tibalt trickery into cultivator colossus into maze end and 10+ gates into win (it needs you to mull until you have tibalt trickery and maze end in starting hand)
The world tree and its Tribute to the world tree friend, Maskwood Nexus, Gods to ping along including the god of passage to protect, Elvish piper, Braids Conjurer Adept, that and haste enablers to make the etb and swing possible (not sure on the god of passage ruling against a wipe)...*edit piper effects to keep it rolling with minimum mana requirements*
True, but the outcome could be funny if you hit a piper on a cascade trigger with tripple mana (or a cheeky untap)thats also why i thought of passage like ping effects aha. They could be mean buttttt... @longdangley
If your using the combo he's talking about, it won't work. The point is the only spell that's less than 5 MV is Tibalt's Trickery. So that's the only thing Pantlaza would Discover, and you couldn't cast it off Discover since there wouldn't be a spell to counter on the stack (normally).
Ok I must be missing something. When you cascade to Tibalts Trickery, what spell do you counter? Doesnt it just fizzle and then you dont get to mill to one of the other big boy cascade cards?
I have a very similar deck which instead of running the first sliver runs Jodah and the idea is that you Mulligan until you hit one of the 5 cascade cards. The payoff I like most in it is Creative Technique. It doubles as a Payoff since it'll cycle into 2 new spells and a backup plan.
I prefer the slivers wanna stomp on people with all the sliver lords lol but add profane tutor it's a zero drop tutor add that or hypergenesis if your a monster
I build this deck with 97 lands, First Sliver and Tibalt’s Trickery, and Eternal Dominion as the win con. Grab your opponent’s best stuff as your win con, or just assemble one of their combos
What if you mill eternal dominion?
Cascade shuffles all the cards it exiled back to the bottom.@@wingdinggaster6737
@@wingdinggaster6737bad luck!
I have the same deck, it’s so fun I’m glad to see good ideas are everywhere.
Have the same list, stole the game because the dragon player had the dragon that steals all dragons on etb
Cast first sliver, hit tibalt’s trickery, cast reshape the earth, search 9 gates, maze’s end, and then win next turn
just play a gate before turn 5 and get field of the dead for some extra blockers
I've been trying to think of a good gate deck for maze's end. Thank you.
This will also work with pantlaza, sun favored with the added benefit of being able to have the exact colors you need to cast the commander a little easier.
@@Jimmy-z2g it wont because pantlaza only discovers on ETB, while a cascade spell stays on the stack. tibalt's trickery needs to counter one of your spells to allow you to cast another.
💩 bruh you gave him 2 outlets with that 🔥🔥
Ive gone against this deck several times on arena brawl. Its payoff is normally a cultivator colossus that gets as big as they want since the rest of the deck is lands, and just banking on the opponent not having removal.
Or win with mazes end
@demiurge2501 true. It would enter tapped so it would still take the extra turn post comboing off, but it would be very hard to interact with
@@KeganKirby I played this deck in historic brawl, people tend to focus on the cultivator too much and the zombies from field to notice all the taplands are hiding a maze sometimes
@shonmatthew real. To be honest, I never let them finish comboing off and would always just scoop since I was always playing mono green stompy and my only creature kill spells were just nearly useless fight spells.
magic as a broken game and being easy to win ISNT a new concept but I am glad guys like this are joining the game and feeling the same rush we all did the first time. hopefully they evolve into an actual player tho because this sort of thing is toxic garbage, we all have to go through this phase but Its important to evolve into an actual player.
Another "hope my opponents don't play interaction" deck.
Cascade is a cast trigger, so even if the original spell gets countered, the cascade trigger will resolve. They need to use Stifle etc. to stop you.
@@Dj87887 Yes we know this....
@@FearOgre cool.
@@Dj87887 Countering Tibalt's Trickery would work pretty well. You could also respond to the cascade trigger and counter The First Sliver, so that the Tibalt's Trickery has no target. Doesn't end the combo, but buys you a couple turns.
@@timburgener9004 There's a couple lands you can play that'll help with that, e.g. Mystic Sanctuary (which is an Island and can return Trickery), Cave of Souls (making your commander uncounterable), Mirrorpool (copying trickery if you have extra mana) so it's not like you're guaranteed to lose if somebody's got a counter up. But yeah, interaction makes these types of jank decks much harder to pop off with, thankfully (otherwise everybody would be running this)
Ok, color me absolutely excited, thrilled and inspired to build this deck! Thank you for the idea!!!!
I've seen a similar idea except with the new pantlaza, sun favored with the discover. Commander is pantlaza obviously, then the deck has 95 lands(filled with stuff like ancient tomb, city of traitors, crystal vein, depletion lands, etc, to cast her faster than turn 5), long road home, creative technique, decree of annihilation and barren glory. You cast pantlaza, discover long road home which blinks pantlaza and brings her back on the end step with a counter so you then discover creative technique, you demonstrate it to get 2 copies and it finds you decree of annihilation which wipes put everything, then barren glory so you win on your next upkeep and nobody has any permanents or cards in their hand to answer it lol.
Approach
Eldrazi (any)
Eldrazi Conscription
NB "God-Pharaoh"
NB "Dragon God"
Godsire
Chimil, the Inner Sun
Mavren and Ghalta
Chromatic Orrery
Drana, the Last Bloodchief
Maelstrom Nexus
The Kami War
Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty
Maelstrom Wanderer
Bringer of the Black Dawn
↑Blue Dawn
↑White Dawn
Sphinx of the Second Sun
Just a few ideas.
I’ve built this as a deck and I used a few of your suggestions, thank you
THIS WAS MY FIRST COMMANDER DECK
Cultivator colossus. It comes down, all lands go down, now you have a 85/85 to hit your opponents with or win with mazes end!
Throw in “mask wood nexus” and every creature you cast becomes a sliver so you get to continue to cascade even more:) it even works for creatures you cast with etali.
This screws yourself over. Maskwood Nexus is less than 5 mana, so you're no longer guaranteed to hit Tibalt's Trickery. Doing nothing for 4 turns just to play The First Sliver cascading into Maskwood Nexus is an atrocious gameplan.
@@Felixr2 can’t you just mulligan until you get the maskwood nexus?
@@theblan1k0ne 54% of the time that ends up with mulling to 0 and beyond just so you can put Maskwood Nexus on the bottom. A substantial amount of cards in your deck needs to be creatures for maskwood nexus to have any value, so if you do mull to 0, you probably won't be casting The First Sliver until turn 6 or 7.
And finally, even if you get Maskwood Nexus out on turn 4, what would it achieve actually? The gameplan is play The First Sliver, cascade into Tibalt's Trickery countering your own The First Sliver, and then you flip a wincon. At no point will The First Sliver ever enter the battlefield.
Another way to do something like this is maelstrom wanderer as commander, with only etali and displacer kitten and nonceature spells with CMC 8 or greater to loop etali
Dude this build sounds awesome!
The more I think about it, cultivator Colossus would be insane because it lets you power out all of your lands in order to play another 2 or 3 big mana cards the following turn as well
those old lands that enter tapped and can tap and sac for two mana of different colors would be good
Holy shit I played against this deck last night, had no clue what was going on. They resolved the trickery and then scooped so no clue what happened lmao.
In response, I tap 2 blue mana... Counter Spell Tibults Trickery
Nah you counterspell the first sliver so they don't get a 7/7 in play and trickery fizzles
And this is why my table banned any and all counterspells. Boring as hell and frustrating to play against
@@jamabr2000 tibalts trickery is a counterspell
@@magnetronman298 Don't tell him that. Timmy will hate red too.
@@jamabr2000 it genuinely isn't. If anything the issue is that they're mostly in blue.
Having to observe what interaction people might have makes the game actually have a more interesting layer than largely "who spent more money on their deck"
Spring to mind and path to ruin might be good as ramp to cast the sliver turn 4
I would add a Bloodbraid Elf and Shardless Agent to act as 2 additional copies of Tibalt's Trickery, and simplify your color requirements, allowing you to go off earlier than turn 5. You could also add some grossness with Mirror March, or a storm finisher.
Problem with this is if you hit them off tibalt's trickery you brick. Might be a low enough rate to not matter but it does add inconsistency.
@@chaselewis5372 the tradeoff is probably worthwhile... With no additional card draw, you're looking at a 1 in 92 or 91 shot to hit the other lower-cost cascade spell off of the trickery, and decent enough odds to just hit both on the way through to the Trickery. Having cascade stubs also prevents you from crashing out entirely, if someone has access to a board wipe. You should probably also run a Possibility Storm in here, which also allows you to cash in for massed cascade triggers later, in the event that your first 3 tries whiff, entirely. It forces you to reassess whether or not a storm finisher is a wise endgame, but it's another possible piece that trades consistency, in this case, for robustness, keeping you in the game if someone drops a Flusterstorm on you.
Also, Trickery chaining into the lower end of your already high curve makes things kinda rough, as it leaves you having to wait even longer to fire up the chain again, but with people now aware of your entire game plan...
That land base gotta be on point for it to work
Mississippi River! Love it
The commander quarters made this deck ages ago. They used one of the epic spells
It's tibalts trickery targeting first sliver flop over cultivator collosus and play the other 97 lands in the deck and active mazes end gg
Probably use something like aetherflux reservoir or tendrils of agony as your win con and figure out ways to still continue chaining spells while having it early in the stack. I might experiment with this now as a troll deck against my friends.
Could think about double faced cards like mind spring for ramp while still being more than 5 mana, but does mess up tibalts trickery potentially
I have a maelstrom wanderer deck that does something similar. The only cards that cost 3 or less are Combat Celebrant and Vizier of Tumbling Sands.
Would have loved keruga companion. But tibalt trick does it dirty, channel lots of removal to keep tempo, suspend ramp is good to play teh waiting game, delve also helps accelerating the deck. Also on the removal//cantrips idea adventures are also good to set up
Best play cavern of souls naming sliver😂
Maelstrom Wanderer for sure has to be in there
I do it into eternal dominon by itself
This is already a Legacy deck with Shardless Agent instead of The First Sliver....and Mind's Desire added, too.
😆😆😆
I feel like this could really benefit with impulse draw and impulse draw payoffs a la Faldorn. Only problem is that you want this deck to be stacked with lands ( I assume).
Creative Technique
I built this with eternal dominion but then found you you can flat out just win with a mazes end combo on the turn you cast it using primal surge & deserted temple.
Fun fact Veggiewagons full name is vegetable covered wagon jr
its a sliver deck, it wins automatically for being the best type
You could throw in channel land for a small chance at having interaction
i much prefer first sliver into cascade tibalt trickery into cultivator colossus into maze end and 10+ gates into win (it needs you to mull until you have tibalt trickery and maze end in starting hand)
Don’t forget Creative Technique with Demonstrate.
Verridant rejuvenation + Scholar of the lost trove. Slam at least 5 permanents to emmidiately slam at least seven more
Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty. Spells get cascade, so you can cascade when you cascade when you cascade when you cascade when you,-
Release to the wind is a cool option
Big eldrazi titans because, of course they would be in it.
you can always run Maelstorm Wanderer since it gives Haste and Cascade cascade. and its an 8 drop
Looks like Mississippi River
Ive done this deck on Arena with Cultivator Colossus and then win with Maze's End on turn 6
colossal dreadmaw
The world tree and its Tribute to the world tree friend, Maskwood Nexus, Gods to ping along including the god of passage to protect, Elvish piper, Braids Conjurer Adept, that and haste enablers to make the etb and swing possible (not sure on the god of passage ruling against a wipe)...*edit piper effects to keep it rolling with minimum mana requirements*
too many targets lol
True, but the outcome could be funny if you hit a piper on a cascade trigger with tripple mana (or a cheeky untap)thats also why i thought of passage like ping effects aha. They could be mean buttttt... @longdangley
Sigiled Starfish for sure
I just do First Sliver Living End. definitely technically doable without slivers but would probably be a pretty rough time
well u could just make any creature in your deck to a liver with arcane adaptation
As a Kevin, I can confirm we are the worst
This was already a deck with Emrakul and a 3 mana cascade spell
Maybe the new dinosaur that discovers 5 might help I think
If your using the combo he's talking about, it won't work. The point is the only spell that's less than 5 MV is Tibalt's Trickery. So that's the only thing Pantlaza would Discover, and you couldn't cast it off Discover since there wouldn't be a spell to counter on the stack (normally).
Best thing for this deck is culturvator colossus 97 lands and then win with valakut or mazes end
May I suggest Reshape the Earth with a maze's end as the wincon and yes it's a 97 land deck
The enchantment maelstrom nexus which cause cascade for target nonland permanents
That is disgusting!!! I love it.
Definitely a creature that gives other creatures haste
MAelstrom Wanderer is a good hit for that, as he Cascades twice on cast and give all creatures you control haste
Expropriate looks good right about now 😅
This sounds like fun
City of fire!
Probabilidad: 0.0000000000000000001%
This is just the legacy mississippi river deck.
Emergent ultimatum is my joint
I have a slower version of this which is Maelstrom Wanderer and kiki combo. Turn 7 you win or lose the game
You can only play this deck once or twice before people keep a counterspell on hand lol. Its like those Golos Doomsday decks back i. the day
Atalli primal storm, or for funzys. Gulta
if you want a mind fuck, look up the ruling on countering cascade
Add in suggestions if you dont have them in yet. Emoti, Maelstorm Waderer, Chulane, Virtue of Knowledge, and the (ONE) Elsh Norn.
Add chimil the inner sun lol
Maelstrom wanderer!!
Ok I must be missing something. When you cascade to Tibalts Trickery, what spell do you counter? Doesnt it just fizzle and then you dont get to mill to one of the other big boy cascade cards?
okay, i need to build this
Mississippi River but in commander
The first and only sliver.
So sad…
Creative technique might be a good option
You have to cast a spell with cascade to get the effect then you have to play permanents with less mana than the cascade cost
Nice idea
Have you heard of Dranith Magistrate?
I love it.
I had someone do this to me with just a cultivator colossus, I have no idea how they gave it haste but they somehow dealt 97 damage to me.
How to turn a sliver deck into something disgusting 🤣
Sir i need this list when it's finished
My favorite card to cast for free is Progenetus
Commander Mississippi River
COALITION VICTORY PLEEEEEEAAAASSSSE
Question: what does the tibalt’s trickery target
the first sliver
When you cast Tibalt's Trickery off the cascade then the only thing that's on the stack to target is The First Sliver.
Gooootcha, thanks for answering this question@@wikidclowne6891
I have a very similar deck which instead of running the first sliver runs Jodah and the idea is that you Mulligan until you hit one of the 5 cascade cards.
The payoff I like most in it is Creative Technique. It doubles as a Payoff since it'll cycle into 2 new spells and a backup plan.
I prefer the slivers wanna stomp on people with all the sliver lords lol but add profane tutor it's a zero drop tutor add that or hypergenesis if your a monster
Cultivator Colossus and Gates
Shooting from the hip, how about Omniscience?
Magma Opus for an early ramp option
or maybe you hit cultivator colosssus and then drop your whole deck full of lands and hope to win with maze's end
dont forget creative technique
How does Tibalt's trickery work with this? You can't counter the First Sliver with it, can you? So how do you get to use the effect?
Cascade triggers on playing the silver not it resolving so you can counter it.
Omniscience and a bunch of draw spells to storm off?
Nvm, what about maelstrom wanderer?
there's also hit the motherlode
Loses to a counterspell
Neat
How can you cast a counterspell with out a spell to target? Genuine question.
The First Sliver is still on the stack when the cascade goes off, so you target The First Sliver as a spell.