Shoutout to SeatGeek for sponsoring the video, use code DOM2K and get $20 back on your first order! Sign-up Here: sg.app.link/dom2k Discord Server: discord.gg/NcHDsUj Twitch: Twitch.tv/dom_2k Second channel: RUclips.com/dom2k Music: chernebeats.com Business email: Theweightliftingcentral@Gmail.com Facebook: facebook.com/dom2k16 Twitter: twitter.com/dom_2k Instagram: instagram.com/dom_2k Snapchat: Dom_2k
Great job on the premise of the video!!! I applaud you for it, most shills wouldn't touch this topic!!!👏 While you're at it.... would love it if you did a video series on the NBA using Jordan as a marketing strategy to market their brand of entertainment to the world. If you did.... you'd have BALLS of STEEL 😂
The Bad Boys were very good defensively but were willing to hurt people to win. If Jordan started going off, I'm sure they would have tried hurting him
@@hugopalma9926 sorry but we trashed Bron in 2006. In fact, Bron wouldnt have gotten past Detroit in 2007 if Ben Wallace hadn't left to play for the Bulls.
I hate how none of Jordans bad games are ever discussed or brought up. It’s like he only played 6 seasons. He is lucky that he didn’t play in today’s world, where social media and the media itself would have annihilated him.
you must not have been around when Jordan was playing. He was CONSTANTLY getting crucified by the media for being a ballhog, not being in the same league as Magic or Bird in terms of winning, being a one man band who didn't make his teammates better, a scoring champion couldn't win a title, etc etc etc. what erased all of those narratives is that he won, and won dominantly. No one forgot that he had bad games. But he never had bad games on the biggest stage that cost his team a title. You're being quite disingenuous or are simply ignorant of history.
Isn't the 97' ECF Bulls vs Heat a bad game on a big stage. MJ shot below 30% on 9/35 FG shooting. To be fair though he bounced back the game after and before this game and it didn't cost them technically a title however it prevented a sweep from the bulls.
@paul hammer If you think he would of been annihilated in today’s game you clearly never saw him the way a die hard bulls fan (that never missed a game saw him). You don’t hear about his bad games because he RARELY (I don’t use that word lightly) had them. Until you can compare a players mentality to his then you can’t convince me that he wasn’t the GOAT. He literally demoralized players. And with him being physically relentless, that alone is bold enough to say he would of DOMINATED today’s league.
Like he just said in the video, he was forced to. No need to be a rocket scientist to know that you'd rather pass to an open teammate than clank a bad shot while being double or triple teamed. It's simple rational thinking.
@@FoolOnCool titles are deceiving. I mean if you look up "don't stay in school" the emo dude's video title and thumbnail will make you think that he's trying to make people drop out of school. When in reality, anyone with a few braincells will actually watch the video and see that he just means that the school system sucks, but he needed a catchy title.
@@aidank6861 I understand I'm not one of them a LeBron fan boy or apologist. But I am a LeBron legacy defender and I defend anyone's legacy who's being disrespected. You don't have to disrespect a player to uplift another an that's what people do to LeBron. AI was disrespected because his persona was bigger then life and it didnt fit the norm for the NBA. He was "Real", no nonsense, down to earth, and was of, for and by The People. AI is a Legend 1 of 4 Transcendent players who influence the league, culture, and the game on a global scale.
If you you want to add context to that lebron had Draymond on him that had 5 fouls kd came late and hit passed it to Korver who wasnt open steph closed out beautiful and how the refs were calling that game lebron could have easily gotten the call...you see all that context...sometimes you fans can be toxic
Lol this comes to show that he needed help (just like lebron and kobe), hence why the development of pippen and horace grant was vital. Plus coaching (phil jackson ) also played a big role with why Chicago was eventually able to go out on top for years to come. Every great player needs a great team
Yeah I agree with that every player needs help I don’t care if your the G.O.A.T you need help.I hate when people criticize players for having help in order to win.
@@notkingcedman7762 only new generations expect for some reason a player to carry a team. In reality a team needs 1 all time great player , one superstar and one good player to win a chip. This has always been the case
Zois Antonopoulos exactly. They forget it’s a team game and all positions in basketball play different roles and superstar players of every position affect the game differently and similarly in ways.
I can definitely tell who are the younger fans vs who are the older fans by the many comments. Older fans talk about building through the draft, patients, building a team the right way etc... Younger fans talk about the big three, winning now, free agency etc... The facts are this, no one wins a championship by themselves in a TEAM SPORT!!! As great of an individual talent that a player may be, whether it be Michael, Lebron, Kobe, Wilt or whomever, that person needs their teammates to do their job in order to win!! I am happy that this video and breakdown is available so that fans can see that even the great Michael Jordan needed his teammates to step up in order to win! One cannot beat a very good or great five!!!
@Notoriouskage1804 Lol! Are comments like these suppose to discredit MJ or something? You realize basketball is a team sport right? Was Jordan suppose to win and takeover every single game, during his championship run? I don't know anyone that won it all by themselves. Also....no he wasn't perfect
Pippen is not top 50 all time stop it! Phil was very lucky to have mj and Kobe. No Kobe no mj= no ring for Phil. Phil lucky to have 2 best SHOOTING guards all time
He’s the GOAT and we all know he had bad games but he’s still by far the greatest this NBA has ever seen. Bobby Knight, Magic, Phil, Bird, Pat Riley, And most every player say the same thing.
Not at all the Lebron fans love to bring up mj. Lebron had bad game vs Orlando the other day and what Dom do?? Bring this video up😂😂😂😂 tryna dig for a bad mj game hahahahaa
These videos should be named how to guard and play hof defense in an era that 3pt wasn't as common. Nowadays most of those open shots would sink and he would have 20 assists
The more and more you watch 80s-90s basketball, the easier it is to realize how trash it was. You could literally quadruple team a player and the offense wouldn't consistently make them pay. Garbage ball
@@JJFX- NBA hardwood classics is the only ball I grew up watching. So no. I just used to have a nostalgia for it that allowed me to overlook how unskilled and low IQ the game was 30+ years ago
@@noahkatzenmeier9576 If that's true and you know basketball I have a hard time believing that. There has always been bad games. Hell, even the last playoffs had some games that were so bad it was hard to watch. Obviously there's differences between eras coming down to rule changes and the meta but saying the late 80's and 90's was low IQ, unskilled ball is just absurd. Overall shot percentages haven't changed much despite the modern restrictions on defense. They shoot a lot more 3s but at the cost of many having a weaker mid-range. They could be much more physical back then whereas now they have to open the floor and barely even bother with offensive rebounds much of the time. Flopping always happened but nowhere near what we see now. It's so common they actually had to add flopping-related rules. Every season there's a montage of ghost fouls that we rarely saw back then.
Uncut Hoops Yes Give Pistons big credit but also there was this narrative by the media that Mj was a ball hog and the media was blasting him for it, so he was trying to show them and everyone else that he was willing/trying to trust his teammates plus he was sticking to the game plan and letting the coach coach him.
Jordan didn't quit, he was not open. It's the same thing as Lillard last year against the Warriors. They needed Aminu and Harkless to hit the open shots and they couldn't. But Joe Dumars is such an underrated player in nba history
Please do Cavs vs Pacers Game 1 of 2018 First Round. Bron got accused of the same even though he got his teammates soooo many open shots that they just did not knock down.
@@billyconklin6020 rewatch it and you’ll see the Cavs players stood there like statues, weren’t trying to make plays and expecting Bron to knock down 3s or drive to a congested paint. He team gave up just as much as him. Someone made a great video on it the other day
Good video. It also shows that the idea that MJ had “help” after Pippen arrived is fabricated. Pippen was talented of course, but he was to young to deal with the championship level Pistons of that era
so PASSING is actually a GOOD thing, eh ? mj was making "the right play" ? interesting, because there is another 23 that does something eerily similar, and we shit on him for WEEKS about it. keep this SAME energy when lebron passes the ball because he was trying to make "the right play". i hate HYPOCRITES
X You sound silly. It’s amazing you mention stats from MJ yet demonize LeBron for having a excellent all around game/ insane stats. LeBron career isn’t over yet. And if he gets 6 or more rings, somebody like you would still criticize him for losing in the finals. 6 rings are a team accomplishment by the way. Other players in NBA history have more rings than MJ but we rarely talk about them.
Any fan who watched and witnessed Jordan back then know that he tried to play a different game from his usual and during that 88-89 season he played PG towards the end to see if success could come with him distributing the ball getting his teammates open they seen success but they struggled against the pistons
LowEnd DrillCityVet yessir. I watched (avidly) and witnessed: what you describe is exactly what went down. The fact that folks even try to argue that Jordan disappeared this game is entirely fallacious history based upon two principle shortcomings: *1) failure to understand the historical context (as you mentioned above):* His teammates were ATROCIOUS at screening & posting vs physical teams, atrocious at off-ball rotation, and wildly inconsistent / others atrocious at making open shots. Even when teammates' shots _were_ connecting, it was still 2+ pistons directly bodying MJ, but..... when his teammates went cold: the on ball double teams often turned into 3-4 and off-ball direct-guards went to 2 (utilizing switching between offA and off B players). *2) failure to understand advanced basketball strategy.* (ie _actually_ understanding - which very few even hardcore fans do) The 89 and the 90 pistons-bulls series were legitimately Michael Jordan vs an entire team of Vicious defenders. (EVEN those not directly guarding MJ - still adjusted ALL their defensive switches, all off- ball positioning and all post-side defensive slots in reference to one thing: #23's current location on the court. The strategy in how they accomplished this, was contingent on a secondary thing: the ball's current location in reference to #23. Those folks who don't _know_ basketball X's and O's (the vast majority of even hard core fans do not); these people flat out _DO NOT_ understand just how all-consuming this defense was designed to be against one man. And Chuck Daly and staff were WIZARDS of defensive strategy. Sorry for wordy post / rant ha ha.... Look folks, I'm a huge fan of Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Olajuwon and other greats BUT, besides Wilt (_maybe_ tho that's another topic), legitimately no other player in league history has had to face the depth of a whole-team-focused-against-one-player defensive arrangement as MJ did in 89 & 90 Detroit. NO, not even Jordan himself would ever face a strategy so all-encompassing again. For reference, NO... not even the early 90's Knicks series: even that was qualitatively different to the things I described above... (because Jordan finally had Pippen (version 2.0), Grant and some serviceable role players.) LowEnd... appreciate you listening. =] And thank u for raising the main points as u did above. You're right: people who didn't watch and witness... just plain ol' do not know. Cheers
@Jared Rivera illegal defense was put in way before Jordan played a game in the NBA. The Pistons pushed illegal defense to very limit, which is why they were so good. Also set the trend for the way defense was played in the 90s
@Jared Rivera if you were around for the Jordan years, you'd know Jordan would dominate any era of the NBA. When he first came in the league everyone tried to make him shoot jumpers. When the bulls played the trailblazers in the finals it was said Jordan couldn't shoot 3's. He then in game 1 set the record for 3pters. The guy would adapt and overcome any rule or defense thrown at him
Players back then are lucky there wasn’t social media, if a player had a bad game or series, no one would know unless you watched it, and you move on. Nowadays a player has a bad game then that shit spreads everywhere, memes and everything. Everything is magnified nowadays. Just imagine how many other legends had bad series but we don’t know about them
@@chillbutton2986 not really because now players have their own voice via social media. Back then it was only newspapers and a few tv stations that got the player narrative out.
@@iamEricHall Back then you couldn't watch media any time throughout the day with a hand held device. You're literally bombarded with criticisms of a player, and ppl will focus more on what media says vs what an athlete post on their individual social media account. The vast majority of the time you only hear athletes voice bc the MEDIA is using it as a topic on their segment
@@chillbutton2986 That makes back then worse. Imagine for Lebron if there was only Skip Bayless and no Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright, Ryan Hollins, or Brian Windhorst. Thats how it was when there were beat writers and no youtube. The media made the story that said Jordan was in the casino until 2-3am during the Knicks series. Jordan stated he left well before that. In this era we would know who was correct. Kawhi is in the same era as Lebron. He just doesnt desire the spotlight and media attention Lebron does. So it is more abour the person than social media and pressure.
Dom2k please on your next video of did he quit. Find the footage of the 2010 playoff matchup between the Cavs and Celtics games 5 &6. Tell me if you think Lebron quit.
Michael Turner I haven’t watched the video yet but does it have to do with Lebron..? If not then why bring him up.. and also why you tryna bring another man down in the first place..... why look for the downsides in a career like brons where there’s so much greatness
Solo you shouldve watched the video first or at least the intro. but this is more likely due to someone saying something negative about jordan. jordan stans act like he scored every point for the bulls
Solo watch the video. I was recently in a discussion with a 23 year old who feels lebron is the greatest ever. I simply asked him why he believes that and gave me valid points about Lebron while also leaving out his failures on the brightest stage. He then began to say Jordan didn’t play nearly the competition and today’s game is harder to play in because players are more skilled. To make a long story short I feel like so many people want Lebron to be the best so bad that they are willing to overlook Lebrons FEW times he didn’t get it done compared to Jordans pretty much Flawless career.
if some people actually watched,.. he literally just said doug collins' game plan was to make mj facilitate,... mj tried to attack but was almost always met with multiple bodies,.. he was being doubled from the three point line,.. why was i reading some comparison??? just no,...
BBall Griot I don’t think you know how efficiency works. It’s literally based on personal performance not the team. John hillinger is the one who made the statistic anyway. In John's words, "The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance."
BBall Griot your point about his teammates stepping up in the finals is irrelevant because efficiency is based on personal performance. Regardless of if it’s a win, or a loss the efficiency is the same. Facts don’t care about your feelings
I remember these years and everyone saying he's great but he's not going to win championships. It was cool seeing the team battle the pistons in the late '80s and early '90s and finally breaking through
Most greats have that “yeah he’s a great player but is he really a great player he’s winning championships” phase. Lebron, Shaq, Wilt, and more went through it.
It's a lie,how tf mj quit when he stayed with bulls?? 🤔🤔🤔. Quitting is going on another team like how Lebron did quitting on Cleveland twice in 2010, 2018
In my opinion, it was just a case of a team that wasn't constructed well for MJ to play PG. He could really pass the ball, but you need a different type of offense if you are going to have your best scorer also be your main ball handler and facilitator. Just take a look at Luka, LeBron or Giannis. There's just no way to triple team them because those offenses are built to punish you for doing so.
This video shows more than ever that you need a great team to win no matter how great you are. People bashed LeBron for it, I need the same energy for MJ.
Too bad the myths on infallible MJ and his hidden story before those dynasty teams are a tough nut to crack. Lebron anyway is the most scrutinized and criticized player of all time so I doubt one would see equal treatment for other great players.
Why so many people act like Jordan started playing in 91. Let's be real he scored a lot of points and lost a lot of playoffs. First and second round. Oh yeah NO FINALS and NO CHIPS. IM Just SAYING
Listen I remember this game ALL to well. I was 10, my uncle was a HUGE Chicago sports fan period. And I remember my uncle screaming, stop being scared you’re air f’n Jordan. And Jordan went to the free throw as well so those were also shot attempts that don’t count. But not one person on the Chicago area that EVER felt he quit. But a lot of us thought he was scared
He really was the GOAT, the man was still finding out what type of player he wanted to be at this stage in his career. As Phil Jackson came into the franchise, he and Phil decided that Jordan would be the man that needed to be essentially beaten into the open by Rodman or Lucas if he was covered but in any circumstances he was going to get the opportunity to score and he would also improve the fadeaway baseline which was used much more in the second half of his career.
The 2 Pistons champion squads aren't as revered as other great champions because they weren't a team of champions like the 90s Bulls or early 10s Heat, but a *champion* team. This also happens because both squads spent so much time fighting teams like the 80s Celtics and Lakers and the Early 00s Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Nets before they could finally win it all.
LeFraud took trash teams to the finals because he played against trash teams, Jordan didn’t have this luxury, playing Gilbert Arenas’ Wizards & Jason Kidd’s Nets are cakewalks! The 80s Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson, Robert Parish and Bill Walton were a championship winning dynasty.
Imagine if MJ had a 6 game Finals where he only scored a grand total of 8 points in the 4th quarter. Jordan had 1 bad playoff game. Your boy has bad SERIES. Several of them. Chew on that for a minute.
2 things, 1st that was the game that Doug Collins fired, looking back it was clear that Doug Collins had no answers to what the Pistons were doing against MJ. 2nd thing, this video shows just how much help Jordan didn't have in Paxson and Pippen and the rest of his supporting cast that the Pistons were clearly not worried about. However yes they all grew up and got better and became great champions but clearly the rest of the players needed work. In comes Phil Jackson with the Triangle Offense, 2 years they win beating Detroit handedly and 6 rings in 8 years!
It should be the one in the first time with the Cavs, he carried those 2000s Cavs teams on his back multiple times but the critique should be aimed at 2009 or 2010 when he went vs the Boston superteam. When he took on Dirk + the greatest Mavs team of all time he just choked, I really doubt it's that.
I don't think he quit against the Mavs, he just sucked/choked and I say that as he's my all-time favorite player. The only game I think LeBron quit was that infamous Celtics game and when you consider the rumors, I don't know, that's a tough situation to try and go ball with one teamnate who did you dirty and possibly a few other teammates who knew but said nothing. Kind of hard to go full on battle with a few guys you don't trust.
Do a video with the SAME ANALYSIS and EXCUSES for Game 5 of the 2011 NBA Finals, you know that game LeBron "melted down" and went 3-11, but had 9 rebounds and 7 assists, but is considered "evidence" by Skip Bayliss for a DECADE.
I’m new to the channel and I really appreciate the analysis you bring across multiple eras. As a Pistons fan, I also appreciate you describing some of the elements of their success (in particularly, crediting their often-overlooked depth). I’d love to see a video that focused on the Bad Boys. There have been some takes about how they matched up against the Bulls, but I’m interested in how they found success against other superstars like Wilkins or Miller. In particular, I’d like to hear how they gameplanned and executed against teams with multiple threats like the Celtics and Lakers (yes, both were hit with injuries in ‘89, but the Pistons also beat them or took them to 7 in ‘87, ‘88, and ‘91). Against the Bulls, it seems a lot of their approach involved completely disrespecting the non-Jordan Bulls, which doesn’t seem like an option against teams with second and third options like Kareem, Worthy, McHale, and Parrish. So how did they compete with and beat those teams?
Can u imagine if James woulda done this in the western conference finals just ✌🏾yrs ago against Denver and they lost the game he did it in? He woulda never heard the end of it.
great video. but the double standards Jordan stans have for LeBron are more apparent than ever in the comments lmao. Just admit both Jordan and LeBron were great players, it wont kill you guys
Marvin Santana they definitely are stans. i know Jordan is the goat but the gap is way smaller than the stans make it out to be. If lebron had this game you would be hearing about it until lebron retires but since its jordan it shows off his iq and how good he is at making adjustments
No one lol, imagine if he had korver, kyrie, Ray, Miller and Chalmers and other great shooters for spacing, he's average like 14 assists because you need a great player to knock down the shot regardless of you making the right play
This is why the concept of 'assists' and 'assist-turnover ratio' does not tell the full sstory of what a player is going through. Ben Taylor's Shot Creation would be able to pick up Jordan's gravity and point guard actions here.
Couple things, I remember watching this game and feeling like Jordan was laboring a bit from the jump. He took a lot more rest moments on defense then normal in my opinion and he just lacked his usual burst. Given how physical Detroit was that makes sense but secondarily didn’t Collins specifically talk about this game and how they made a mistake in the game plan?
Good video showing detroit defense BUT,,,,,, Who ever said jordan "gave up?" who ever was watching the game at that time knew it was the defense. I believe they called it the "jordan rules", never heeard he "gave up" in my life from anybody
Wow, these media have always been misleading their titles even back then. Jordan did not disappear this game, it's just that the Pistons defense is great, and Jordan played as PG, so he took less shots
Isaac Gracia Mike fed post that entire game I watched and had hamstring issue since March only missed 1 game limped game 6 next game and in Knicks series previous round
Crazy thing is... When I was on Google+ in the NBA community, I brought this up about Jordan & how Vinnie Johnson outplayed him just to show folks that every superstar has had a bad game(s) in the postseason.
Also, this is just a microcosm of what I've also said, Jordan was a terrible shooter outside of 18ft, that's why the _"if he played today he'd work on his 3pt shot & shoot better"_ when in reality it wouldn't have unfortunately. Jordan's game was 18ft & in, he dominated that.
Skinny Hardaway Their protecting MJ like crazy. To me personally, there is multiple goats. MJ has the most glamorizing career. But Kareem is up there, Magic, LeBron, Kobe, etc.
Lebron mos def not in Goat conversation. Lebron not even better than kd and Kawhi. Yes mj had a off GAME but this video lying saying mj quitted,the definition of quitting is going on another team
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
Shoutout to SeatGeek for sponsoring the video, use code DOM2K and get $20 back on your first order! Sign-up Here: sg.app.link/dom2k
Discord Server: discord.gg/NcHDsUj
Twitch: Twitch.tv/dom_2k
Second channel: RUclips.com/dom2k
Music: chernebeats.com
Business email: Theweightliftingcentral@Gmail.com
Facebook: facebook.com/dom2k16
Twitter: twitter.com/dom_2k
Instagram: instagram.com/dom_2k
Snapchat: Dom_2k
Dom2k you must have never hooped at a high level before to make this video and if you say you have I’m 5’9 with a post game
This shows that the greatest isn’t perfect as a kid I thought mj never missed
Great job on the premise of the video!!! I applaud you for it, most shills wouldn't touch this topic!!!👏 While you're at it.... would love it if you did a video series on the NBA using Jordan as a marketing strategy to market their brand of entertainment to the world. If you did.... you'd have BALLS of STEEL 😂
Your analysis was deep 🤔
@angelo belcher What are you complaining about❓
Ok ok. Proof that the Bad Boys could actually play defense and weren’t just hitting people👏🏾
Both of those are true
The Bad Boys were very good defensively but were willing to hurt people to win. If Jordan started going off, I'm sure they would have tried hurting him
They played good and hood defense.
People still crying about the Pistons playing grown men ball haha SOFT and I'm a Celtics fan
While also proof that LeBron would need to be put in a psych ward after one game against the Bad Boy Pistons
Detroit’s Championships so far have all involved devastating defence and crushing young stars hopes 😂
also destroying other young stars in the process, Paul Pierce, LeBron, D Wade. Whenever they were on their way to the finals they crushed a young star
@@offwhitejayR2E Sorry but, when did they crush Lebron? Didn't Lebron crush them?
@@hugopalma9926 kingflop was floppin
@@hugopalma9926 sorry but we trashed Bron in 2006. In fact, Bron wouldnt have gotten past Detroit in 2007 if Ben Wallace hadn't left to play for the Bulls.
No Lebron bum ass didn't
Dom is literally the most creative NBA RUclipsr with the different series he comes up with
Jxmyhighroller.
3rdEye was gonna say that lol, Jimmy high roller by far
@@BilalVillalva This guy is still good he and Jimmy are both up there. But those charts and math tho. lol
This one right here is all cap
3rdEye I was talking about the different series he has not who’s the best basketball RUclipsr
Considering what happened with his last 3 parter I’m concerned about what will happen with this
Oh boy the Greatest Playoff Series of All Time
Biased Bucks Fan I was actually loving that series
Biased Bucks Fan man where all the goat vids?
Will get discontinued coz he will get strikes again.
@@TJzWayyy he practically did jordan's already in the jordan is still greater than lebron video
0:08 I know y’all saw that
Super pause moment in history 🤢🤮🤦🏾♂️
Lol pauseee for even catching that
It's got to be Purdue!
Hella suspect
heh ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
I understand now. A receded hairline by 29 means the odds of becoming the G.O.A.T. Increases by 350% lol
CrestlineIceberg You might be right 😂😂
Man you are so right these dudes are great & lost their hair becoming the greatest players ever!
Can't wait for Luka Dončić to start losing hair lol
Trae young on his way then 🤷♂️
@ted smith but Lebron hid the shines on his head (before some y'all attack me for this comment I'm a bron fan)
I hate how none of Jordans bad games are ever discussed or brought up. It’s like he only played 6 seasons. He is lucky that he didn’t play in today’s world, where social media and the media itself would have annihilated him.
The Jordan fans hide everything
you must not have been around when Jordan was playing. He was CONSTANTLY getting crucified by the media for being a ballhog, not being in the same league as Magic or Bird in terms of winning, being a one man band who didn't make his teammates better, a scoring champion couldn't win a title, etc etc etc.
what erased all of those narratives is that he won, and won dominantly. No one forgot that he had bad games. But he never had bad games on the biggest stage that cost his team a title.
You're being quite disingenuous or are simply ignorant of history.
Isn't the 97' ECF Bulls vs Heat a bad game on a big stage. MJ shot below 30% on 9/35 FG shooting. To be fair though he bounced back the game after and before this game and it didn't cost them technically a title however it prevented a sweep from the bulls.
@@swatsa4460 if they had lost the series or didn't win the title games like that would've been discussed a hell of a lot
@paul hammer If you think he would of been annihilated in today’s game you clearly never saw him the way a die hard bulls fan (that never missed a game saw him).
You don’t hear about his bad games because he RARELY (I don’t use that word lightly) had them.
Until you can compare a players mentality to his then you can’t convince me that he wasn’t the GOAT. He literally demoralized players. And with him being physically relentless, that alone is bold enough to say he would of DOMINATED today’s league.
The way Dom brings in the Seatgeek app is unreal. Love it haha 😂
Honestly I always chuckle for every new way he introduces the seatgeek app
you should see bbalbreakdown's intro to ads
He needs to honestly just stop it with that
Kinda seems like you’re making a testament that Jordan didn’t actually quit, but he changed his game to try something new against the pistons
Like he just said in the video, he was forced to. No need to be a rocket scientist to know that you'd rather pass to an open teammate than clank a bad shot while being double or triple teamed. It's simple rational thinking.
Endless lebron does it then he’s running from the final shot
Karl Fookin Legend seems like you’re tying to argue a against me. But I just think the title is kind of misleading and click bait-ish
@@FoolOnCool you have to have a catchy title to get views and revenue on youtube. Thats how the game goes
@@FoolOnCool titles are deceiving. I mean if you look up "don't stay in school" the emo dude's video title and thumbnail will make you think that he's trying to make people drop out of school. When in reality, anyone with a few braincells will actually watch the video and see that he just means that the school system sucks, but he needed a catchy title.
But when Lebron kicks out to an open Kyle Korver while he’s being doubled: “jOrDaN wOuLd NeVeR”
Sachin Johri I love jordan and Kobe over Lebron but you’re definitely right,Lebron is probably the most criticized player of all time it’s crazy.
@@dialectic5361 AI & LeBron no doubt about it Top 2 Most over criticized players of all-time.
K. Lee28 I feel like he gets over criticized because of the small and toxic section of his fan base that everyone hates
@@aidank6861 I understand I'm not one of them a LeBron fan boy or apologist. But I am a LeBron legacy defender and I defend anyone's legacy who's being disrespected. You don't have to disrespect a player to uplift another an that's what people do to LeBron.
AI was disrespected because his persona was bigger then life and it didnt fit the norm for the NBA. He was "Real", no nonsense, down to earth, and was of, for and by The People. AI is a Legend 1 of 4 Transcendent players who influence the league, culture, and the game on a global scale.
If you you want to add context to that lebron had Draymond on him that had 5 fouls kd came late and hit passed it to Korver who wasnt open steph closed out beautiful and how the refs were calling that game lebron could have easily gotten the call...you see all that context...sometimes you fans can be toxic
Lol this comes to show that he needed help (just like lebron and kobe), hence why the development of pippen and horace grant was vital. Plus coaching (phil jackson ) also played a big role with why Chicago was eventually able to go out on top for years to come. Every great player needs a great team
Yeah I agree with that every player needs help I don’t care if your the G.O.A.T you need help.I hate when people criticize players for having help in order to win.
Agreed
@@notkingcedman7762 only new generations expect for some reason a player to carry a team. In reality a team needs 1 all time great player , one superstar and one good player to win a chip. This has always been the case
Zois Antonopoulos exactly. They forget it’s a team game and all positions in basketball play different roles and superstar players of every position affect the game differently and similarly in ways.
LeBron almost got his contract terminated last year for tampering with A.D., That ain't help that's cheating.
Jordan quit SEVERAL TIMES. He also quit in Game 3 of the 1986 first round.
Aye dom can we get a toe reveal or something?
Juan Lemus I’m with thus
HA HA HA!
how about a shadow
Why?
JUST why not is the real question here bud 🥴
For what reason?😂😂😂
I can definitely tell who are the younger fans vs who are the older fans by the many comments. Older fans talk about building through the draft, patients, building a team the right way etc... Younger fans talk about the big three, winning now, free agency etc... The facts are this, no one wins a championship by themselves in a TEAM SPORT!!! As great of an individual talent that a player may be, whether it be Michael, Lebron, Kobe, Wilt or whomever, that person needs their teammates to do their job in order to win!! I am happy that this video and breakdown is available so that fans can see that even the great Michael Jordan needed his teammates to step up in order to win! One cannot beat a very good or great five!!!
Everyone has moments of weakness. Everyone has a terrible game at the worst time. No one is perfect, not even MJ.
He was PERFECT in the Finals and that is all that counts
Phil is overrated AF, pippen not a TOP 50 player all time and them "white shooters" average 6 points per Game
@Notoriouskage1804 Lol! Are comments like these suppose to discredit MJ or something? You realize basketball is a team sport right? Was Jordan suppose to win and takeover every single game, during his championship run? I don't know anyone that won it all by themselves. Also....no he wasn't perfect
Pippen is not top 50 all time stop it! Phil was very lucky to have mj and Kobe. No Kobe no mj= no ring for Phil. Phil lucky to have 2 best SHOOTING guards all time
Phil doesn't do shit but run triangle offense
He’s the GOAT and we all know he had bad games but he’s still by far the greatest this NBA has ever seen.
Bobby Knight, Magic, Phil, Bird, Pat Riley, And most every player say the same thing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
0:09 what in tarnation😂
Mj: “Cmon man not here wait till we go in the locker room”
*Skip Bayless has left the chat*
Lebron fanboys enter the chat
@@donnadunbar5342
Nah. It's the Michael fans who bring up LeBron out of nowhere.
Not at all the Lebron fans love to bring up mj. Lebron had bad game vs Orlando the other day and what Dom do?? Bring this video up😂😂😂😂 tryna dig for a bad mj game hahahahaa
Hush Lebron a bum he's not top 20 all time. I don't hate on bums
Donna Dunbar Neither Lebron or MJ would piss on you if you were on fire. Both great players in their own right, it's not that deep.
These videos should be named how to guard and play hof defense in an era that 3pt wasn't as common. Nowadays most of those open shots would sink and he would have 20 assists
6:09 I thought something fell on my screen lol
Thought everyone knew about jordan rules
Trust me, newer fans don't know about this.
Marcel Johnson I’ve heard about them but I don’t know the specifics or what they actually did
@@loganknowsnoneofyourbusine263 to put it simply, dont let jordan go 1 on 1 lmao
@@marcel6445 And if he beat the first two guys, foul the shit out of him 😂
Right smh they reachin hard
The more and more you watch 80s-90s basketball, the easier it is to realize how trash it was. You could literally quadruple team a player and the offense wouldn't consistently make them pay. Garbage ball
So what you're saying is you didn't watch more than this game.
@@JJFX- NBA hardwood classics is the only ball I grew up watching. So no. I just used to have a nostalgia for it that allowed me to overlook how unskilled and low IQ the game was 30+ years ago
@@noahkatzenmeier9576 If that's true and you know basketball I have a hard time believing that. There has always been bad games. Hell, even the last playoffs had some games that were so bad it was hard to watch.
Obviously there's differences between eras coming down to rule changes and the meta but saying the late 80's and 90's was low IQ, unskilled ball is just absurd. Overall shot percentages haven't changed much despite the modern restrictions on defense. They shoot a lot more 3s but at the cost of many having a weaker mid-range.
They could be much more physical back then whereas now they have to open the floor and barely even bother with offensive rebounds much of the time. Flopping always happened but nowhere near what we see now. It's so common they actually had to add flopping-related rules. Every season there's a montage of ghost fouls that we rarely saw back then.
Also proof Jordan blaming other players for the Bulls losing
Dom just baited me with the title to start a interesting video series........well played Dom well played
Yes he is trying to breed bronsexuals over here
More of a testament to how great those Pistons teams were.
lmao it’s @mjs_goat
Uncut Hoops Yes Give Pistons big credit but also there was this narrative by the media that Mj was a ball hog and the media was blasting him for it, so he was trying to show them and everyone else that he was willing/trying to trust his teammates plus he was sticking to the game plan and letting the coach coach him.
Shut up uncut
That's called rationalizing.
Cope he quit
11:29 That was one epic air ball 😅
you're reaching.....STOP IT
This is why i love Dom, no one is safe
Well it does not hurt Jordan if you watch the video. The title is just clickbait tbh
Ballislife99 you are about as dumb as YG B’s profile pic
@@shanewell12 okay
Mj waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy better than Lebron
Donna Dunbar yeah in scoring, defense longevity, post shot/ jumper, and less turnovers
Jordan didn't quit, he was not open. It's the same thing as Lillard last year against the Warriors. They needed Aminu and Harkless to hit the open shots and they couldn't. But Joe Dumars is such an underrated player in nba history
Please do Cavs vs Pacers Game 1 of 2018 First Round. Bron got accused of the same even though he got his teammates soooo many open shots that they just did not knock down.
2010 Game 5 against Boston. He gave up and there's no disputing it and no excuses!
@@billyconklin6020 rewatch it and you’ll see the Cavs players stood there like statues, weren’t trying to make plays and expecting Bron to knock down 3s or drive to a congested paint. He team gave up just as much as him. Someone made a great video on it the other day
Good video. It also shows that the idea that MJ had “help” after Pippen arrived is fabricated. Pippen was talented of course, but he was to young to deal with the championship level Pistons of that era
Pippen had to develop just like Michael. Plenty of players came along with pippen, Steve Kerr,longley, kukoc, Rodman...
@@avoiceup3222 that's the second three-peat not the first. Pippen came in 87 with Grant. The players you listed after Jordan 1st retired.
@@avoiceup3222 Dont you think that Mike helped a little bit Scottie in his development ?
sticky-fingers yes...simply commenting that MJ did have help. MJ leadership makes average players good, no doubt.
enuff707 yes my reply was regarding after pippen. Don’t forget Cartwright who was no slouch. So he had a team.
so PASSING is actually a GOOD thing, eh ? mj was making "the right play" ? interesting, because there is another 23 that does something eerily similar, and we shit on him for WEEKS about it. keep this SAME energy when lebron passes the ball because he was trying to make "the right play". i hate HYPOCRITES
Lol you lebron fans come to Jordan's name just to say so much and nothing comes out😂
Jared Thomas This is exactly why I say MJ has the better legacy but LeBron is the better player. LeBron James is clearly the better all around player.
X You sound silly. It’s amazing you mention stats from MJ yet demonize LeBron for having a excellent all around game/ insane stats. LeBron career isn’t over yet. And if he gets 6 or more rings, somebody like you would still criticize him for losing in the finals. 6 rings are a team accomplishment by the way. Other players in NBA history have more rings than MJ but we rarely talk about them.
Any fan who watched and witnessed Jordan back then know that he tried to play a different game from his usual and during that 88-89 season he played PG towards the end to see if success could come with him distributing the ball getting his teammates open they seen success but they struggled against the pistons
LowEnd DrillCityVet yessir. I watched (avidly) and witnessed: what you describe is exactly what went down. The fact that folks even try to argue that Jordan disappeared this game is entirely fallacious history based upon two principle shortcomings:
*1) failure to understand the historical context (as you mentioned above):* His teammates were ATROCIOUS at screening & posting vs physical teams, atrocious at off-ball rotation, and wildly inconsistent / others atrocious at making open shots. Even when teammates' shots _were_ connecting, it was still 2+ pistons directly bodying MJ, but..... when his teammates went cold: the on ball double teams often turned into 3-4 and off-ball direct-guards went to 2 (utilizing switching between offA and off B players).
*2) failure to understand advanced basketball strategy.* (ie _actually_ understanding - which very few even hardcore fans do) The 89 and the 90 pistons-bulls series were legitimately Michael Jordan vs an entire team of Vicious defenders. (EVEN those not directly guarding MJ - still adjusted ALL their defensive switches, all off- ball positioning and all post-side defensive slots in reference to one thing: #23's current location on the court. The strategy in how they accomplished this, was contingent on a secondary thing: the ball's current location in reference to #23.
Those folks who don't _know_ basketball X's and O's (the vast majority of even hard core fans do not); these people flat out _DO NOT_ understand just how all-consuming this defense was designed to be against one man. And Chuck Daly and staff were WIZARDS of defensive strategy.
Sorry for wordy post / rant ha ha....
Look folks, I'm a huge fan of Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Olajuwon and other greats BUT, besides Wilt (_maybe_ tho that's another topic), legitimately no other player in league history has had to face the depth of a whole-team-focused-against-one-player defensive arrangement as MJ did in 89 & 90 Detroit. NO, not even Jordan himself would ever face a strategy so all-encompassing again. For reference, NO... not even the early 90's Knicks series: even that was qualitatively different to the things I described above... (because Jordan finally had Pippen (version 2.0), Grant and some serviceable role players.)
LowEnd... appreciate you listening. =] And thank u for raising the main points as u did above. You're right: people who didn't watch and witness... just plain ol' do not know. Cheers
@@AnHebrewChild facts
Nah, that fool quit. He was mentally destroyed by the Pistons.
He’s a quitter bro it is what it is
0:08 Dude behind Jordan hella suspect
Right🤔
Jack Haley
This is the first video i watched. Instant subscription. Awesome video. Glad i found this channel. Thank you!
That’s what I respect about you, rb the breakthrough and chronicles of Judah 144, the objectivity and unbiasedness.
Rb is a kobe sack rider
Rb and chronicles are super bias bro stop it
William Turner chronicles is not biased
RESPECT ALL FEAR NONE thank you bro I mean rb did a video on how the celtics so called broke lebron on lebron birthday lmao that’s not hate
RESPECT ALL FEAR NONE lol all facts
3:36 and thus the NBA created the illegal defense rule where you couldn't play zone. That allowed MJ to finally beat the Pistons
lol huh? You think illegal defense was created to help Jordan? You know nothing of the history of the NBA
@Jared Rivera illegal defense was put in way before Jordan played a game in the NBA. The Pistons pushed illegal defense to very limit, which is why they were so good. Also set the trend for the way defense was played in the 90s
@Jared Rivera if you were around for the Jordan years, you'd know Jordan would dominate any era of the NBA. When he first came in the league everyone tried to make him shoot jumpers. When the bulls played the trailblazers in the finals it was said Jordan couldn't shoot 3's. He then in game 1 set the record for 3pters. The guy would adapt and overcome any rule or defense thrown at him
@Jared Rivera But then he averaged 25ppg with the wizards after they took out the rule and that was old man Jordan
that rule was in place wayyyyyyyy before jordan
Players back then are lucky there wasn’t social media, if a player had a bad game or series, no one would know unless you watched it, and you move on. Nowadays a player has a bad game then that shit spreads everywhere, memes and everything. Everything is magnified nowadays. Just imagine how many other legends had bad series but we don’t know about them
Players today also get paid more to deal with that. I highly doubt any of those players would complain if they were getting 100mil contracts.
@@allenmk138 The point was it's much easier to criticize someone's legacy now vs then.
@@chillbutton2986 not really because now players have their own voice via social media. Back then it was only newspapers and a few tv stations that got the player narrative out.
@@iamEricHall Back then you couldn't watch media any time throughout the day with a hand held device. You're literally bombarded with criticisms of a player, and ppl will focus more on what media says vs what an athlete post on their individual social media account. The vast majority of the time you only hear athletes voice bc the MEDIA is using it as a topic on their segment
@@chillbutton2986 That makes back then worse. Imagine for Lebron if there was only Skip Bayless and no Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright, Ryan Hollins, or Brian Windhorst. Thats how it was when there were beat writers and no youtube.
The media made the story that said Jordan was in the casino until 2-3am during the Knicks series. Jordan stated he left well before that. In this era we would know who was correct.
Kawhi is in the same era as Lebron. He just doesnt desire the spotlight and media attention Lebron does. So it is more abour the person than social media and pressure.
Every player has had bad games, I’m glad you exposed this because Jordan fans make it seem like he was a GOD
Jay Gonzalez don’t see a quit job. I see a game plan against a really good defensive team.
Judah Mourneth never said a quit job read my comment again lol
Jay Gonzalez what does the title say.
Jay Gonzalez I didn’t accuse you of anything!!
Judah Mourneth you said “I don’t see a quit job” never mentioned anything, you accused kid
Dom2k please on your next video of did he quit. Find the footage of the 2010 playoff matchup between the Cavs and Celtics games 5 &6. Tell me if you think Lebron quit.
Michael Turner he did but it will be a story of how his mom interacted with west.Witch caused it
LeScrub lost the chance to go against Kobe in the Finals 😂
Michael Turner I haven’t watched the video yet but does it have to do with Lebron..? If not then why bring him up.. and also why you tryna bring another man down in the first place..... why look for the downsides in a career like brons where there’s so much greatness
Solo you shouldve watched the video first or at least the intro. but this is more likely due to someone saying something negative about jordan. jordan stans act like he scored every point for the bulls
Solo watch the video. I was recently in a discussion with a 23 year old who feels lebron is the greatest ever. I simply asked him why he believes that and gave me valid points about Lebron while also leaving out his failures on the brightest stage. He then began to say Jordan didn’t play nearly the competition and today’s game is harder to play in because players are more skilled. To make a long story short I feel like so many people want Lebron to be the best so bad that they are willing to overlook Lebrons FEW times he didn’t get it done compared to Jordans pretty much Flawless career.
R.I.P KOBE😥😪😥😭😥😭😓😭😓😭😓😭😓😓😫😓😫😓😭😭😓😭😓😭😓😭😓
0:08 lol what was that
Johnny Sims 😂😂😂😂😂
jack haley
if some people actually watched,.. he literally just said doug collins' game plan was to make mj facilitate,... mj tried to attack but was almost always met with multiple bodies,.. he was being doubled from the three point line,.. why was i reading some comparison??? just no,...
This made him become the player he was throughout the 90s
BBall Griot don’t try to diminish his greatness he and the bulls beat a lot of 50+ and even 60+ win teams.
BBall Griot you’re literally talking about nothing 😂
BBall Griot I don’t think you know how efficiency works. It’s literally based on personal performance not the team. John hillinger is the one who made the statistic anyway. In John's words, "The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance."
BBall Griot your point about his teammates stepping up in the finals is irrelevant because efficiency is based on personal performance. Regardless of if it’s a win, or a loss the efficiency is the same. Facts don’t care about your feelings
BBall Griot either you can’t read or you have an issue with comprehension... go read my comment a few more times
MJ has never quit a day in his life, unlike Lebron who quits every game
Like a CLASSIC Jordan Stan, You hate admitting the truth
Lebron fans: 👀
They are gonna get this to a million in no time 😂😂
There coming to argue with jordan fans
Aaron Virdee lowkey me rn 😂😂
Jayden Gravelle but only this guy gets his ignored smh
@The Duke "bUt tHe gOaT nEvER mAdE miSTakeS"
If quitting is having 18 points? Compared to someone averaging 17 points in a finals? And scoring 8 points in a finals game I will take that.
I remember these years and everyone saying he's great but he's not going to win championships. It was cool seeing the team battle the pistons in the late '80s and early '90s and finally breaking through
Most greats have that “yeah he’s a great player but is he really a great player he’s winning championships” phase. Lebron, Shaq, Wilt, and more went through it.
and broke thru by sweeping them lol
Still the goat
You didn’t even watch the video
@@michaelwoods6272 Just #nuthugging 🥜🐿
Did u go Harris academy?
No shit
It's a lie,how tf mj quit when he stayed with bulls?? 🤔🤔🤔. Quitting is going on another team like how Lebron did quitting on Cleveland twice in 2010, 2018
In my opinion, it was just a case of a team that wasn't constructed well for MJ to play PG. He could really pass the ball, but you need a different type of offense if you are going to have your best scorer also be your main ball handler and facilitator. Just take a look at Luka, LeBron or Giannis. There's just no way to triple team them because those offenses are built to punish you for doing so.
People always find a way to make excuses for Jordan.. This is why Jordan cried and got the rule changed for defense.
This video shows more than ever that you need a great team to win no matter how great you are. People bashed LeBron for it, I need the same energy for MJ.
Too bad the myths on infallible MJ and his hidden story before those dynasty teams are a tough nut to crack.
Lebron anyway is the most scrutinized and criticized player of all time so I doubt one would see equal treatment for other great players.
@X you forgot that Boston developed their big 3 first which prompted LeBron to go to Miami
Mj 3peated with these same scrubs in the video, Hakeem won 1994 title with all bums
Lebron had Ben Wallace and SHAQ in Cleveland tho
Kg was traded also
Let’s be real. Lebron & Jordan and their own tier. Kobe not in the goat debate fr.
Good thing we dont have social media back in the day because now Lebron gets criticized a lot for being passive.
10 of his 18 points from the free throw line?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Videos the media don’t show
Why so many people act like Jordan started playing in 91. Let's be real he scored a lot of points and lost a lot of playoffs. First and second round. Oh yeah NO FINALS and NO CHIPS. IM Just SAYING
Everyone has a game like this just shows the pressure hit to him too. He’s not unstoppable
“This play was already over”
Also shows footage of the Bulls center laying in a bucket on that same play
Superstars rarely quit and when it seems like it. They really didn’t
Listen I remember this game ALL to well. I was 10, my uncle was a HUGE Chicago sports fan period. And I remember my uncle screaming, stop being scared you’re air f’n Jordan. And Jordan went to the free throw as well so those were also shot attempts that don’t count. But not one person on the Chicago area that EVER felt he quit. But a lot of us thought he was scared
my problem is mj fans would say he would never .. 46 mins 8 shots .. im not clowning dude but mj fans would really say he would never
Reminds me of 2006 game 7 lakers-suns Kobe “quit” game
Kalinbuggs ! Kobe has had multiple “quit” games
@@GodZanko1231 I think it's implied by the comment that Kobe didn't quit. But Kobe did
The Suns didn’t have defense like this to throw at Kobe
@@nevelefilms7336 Yeah he just choked a 3-1 lead.
Wow Mr.Air. quit. I graduated in 89. I'm not surprised. Waaaaaaake up
To mj fans When jordan quits its because he went up against the avengers. When lebron quits it’s because he is weak. Double standards
Jordan really didn’t even “quit” this game, he was just getting doubled, tripled, and zoned on this whole game.
@Big_300 That's THE EXACT SAME THING LEBRON HAS GONE THROUGH FOR 17 YEARS
This is a 1v5 game. The lions are out to hunt and they're only after one meaty wildebeest!
Best playoff series of all time? Still waiting.
2009 celtics vs bulls duh goodnight brother
@@reinolmaldonado7195 Are you okay? No shit. But he's only put out 2 parts
Bulls vs Knicks, 92 & 93
Lakers - Kings 2002
This new intro every once in a while is pretty cool not gonna lie. Still gonna miss that "Why not, why can't i be the MVP" part though haha
I gave you a like just for the SeatGeek transition, but I know this is gonna be good!
He really was the GOAT, the man was still finding out what type of player he wanted to be at this stage in his career. As Phil Jackson came into the franchise, he and Phil decided that Jordan would be the man that needed to be essentially beaten into the open by Rodman or Lucas if he was covered but in any circumstances he was going to get the opportunity to score and he would also improve the fadeaway baseline which was used much more in the second half of his career.
MJ DIDNT GO TO ANY TEAM TO BEAT THE PISTONS NEVER and after beating them he went to 6-0 in the finals
He's the GOAT after all. Lebron went to Miami to beat the Celtics.
He just waited until they got old 😂 magic had aids the east had 2 expansion teams but yea he was dominating
That was a different NBA then your stupid
Would of it mattered the Pistons were the best team at that time
Hotskithegreat that narrative of Pistons being old was fabricated they were all still in there prime
What is the first song that plays? Not the intro, but in like the 1:00 time frame
IVE BEEN ASKING UUUGGGHHHHHH I wanna know!!!!!!
The Pistons defense in this clip is as close to flawless as a coach could want.
Louie Tzepher this is literally everyday modern day defense against stars
O Yea Bet 🧢
@@94ftoflogic_idr14 Yes the Houston Rockets, Knicks, Hawks and i could name at least 15 more teams, that do not, i repeat NOT play defense like this.
The 2 Pistons champion squads aren't as revered as other great champions because they weren't a team of champions like the 90s Bulls or early 10s Heat, but a *champion* team. This also happens because both squads spent so much time fighting teams like the 80s Celtics and Lakers and the Early 00s Lakers, Spurs, Heat, and Nets before they could finally win it all.
1-9 without Pippen... Meanwhile LeBron took trash teams to the finals 2 arguably 3 times.
Yes because Pippen was a dominant player in 88 and 89 get out😂😂
LeFraud took trash teams to the finals because he played against trash teams, Jordan didn’t have this luxury, playing Gilbert Arenas’ Wizards & Jason Kidd’s Nets are cakewalks! The 80s Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson, Robert Parish and Bill Walton were a championship winning dynasty.
After a vid like this I guess it's safe to say Dom and NBA playmakers are on good terms
imagine if lebron scored 18 points in a tied series against his rival team
Trevor m. EXACTLY!
Yea it would be bad tbh
Imagine if MJ had a 6 game Finals where he only scored a grand total of 8 points in the 4th quarter. Jordan had 1 bad playoff game. Your boy has bad SERIES. Several of them. Chew on that for a minute.
@@John6-40 nah it is a bad series
@@kenmarkollano5795 What's a bad series? I hope you're not talking about this Pistons series where MJ scored 46 and 31 leading into this game.
2 things, 1st that was the game that Doug Collins fired, looking back it was clear that Doug Collins had no answers to what the Pistons were doing against MJ. 2nd thing, this video shows just how much help Jordan didn't have in Paxson and Pippen and the rest of his supporting cast that the Pistons were clearly not worried about. However yes they all grew up and got better and became great champions but clearly the rest of the players needed work. In comes Phil Jackson with the Triangle Offense, 2 years they win beating Detroit handedly and 6 rings in 8 years!
As a Mavs fan I can't WAIT for LeBron episode
It should be the one in the first time with the Cavs, he carried those 2000s Cavs teams on his back multiple times but the critique should be aimed at 2009 or 2010 when he went vs the Boston superteam.
When he took on Dirk + the greatest Mavs team of all time he just choked, I really doubt it's that.
He didn’t quit against Dallas, Dirk was just too good but he did quit against the Celtics
I don't think he quit against the Mavs, he just sucked/choked and I say that as he's my all-time favorite player. The only game I think LeBron quit was that infamous Celtics game and when you consider the rumors, I don't know, that's a tough situation to try and go ball with one teamnate who did you dirty and possibly a few other teammates who knew but said nothing. Kind of hard to go full on battle with a few guys you don't trust.
@8:15 Doug Collins looking like he ready to shoot everybody😂😂😂😂😂
3:37 ik u can stutter step but damn wtf was that
Dawg 😂😂😂😂
5:58 he does the texas 2 step
This is why I hate Jordan Stans. They always hide his failures
Do a video with the SAME ANALYSIS and EXCUSES for Game 5 of the 2011 NBA Finals, you know that game LeBron "melted down" and went 3-11, but had 9 rebounds and 7 assists, but is considered "evidence" by Skip Bayliss for a DECADE.
Bro there is no defense for the mavs series. Jason terry took Lebron to the woodshed. It’s absolute embarrassment from the jump.
Game 4
Shyt they swept Kobe and the Lakers that year also. Give the Mavericks some credit here
I’m new to the channel and I really appreciate the analysis you bring across multiple eras.
As a Pistons fan, I also appreciate you describing some of the elements of their success (in particularly, crediting their often-overlooked depth).
I’d love to see a video that focused on the Bad Boys. There have been some takes about how they matched up against the Bulls, but I’m interested in how they found success against other superstars like Wilkins or Miller.
In particular, I’d like to hear how they gameplanned and executed against teams with multiple threats like the Celtics and Lakers (yes, both were hit with injuries in ‘89, but the Pistons also beat them or took them to 7 in ‘87, ‘88, and ‘91). Against the Bulls, it seems a lot of their approach involved completely disrespecting the non-Jordan Bulls, which doesn’t seem like an option against teams with second and third options like Kareem, Worthy, McHale, and Parrish. So how did they compete with and beat those teams?
u remember the bulls came back stronger n swept the pistons in 91
@@EricJustice---10-83 I am aware. It doesn't really have anything to do with what I said, but thanks for checking!
Can u imagine if James woulda done this in the western conference finals just ✌🏾yrs ago against Denver and they lost the game he did it in? He woulda never heard the end of it.
This is so good, bro. Continue fam
great video. but the double standards Jordan stans have for LeBron are more apparent than ever in the comments lmao. Just admit both Jordan and LeBron were great players, it wont kill you guys
Sonic not necessarily but that should sound familiar. In LBJ’s first Cav’s run 03-2010 and 17/18 it was the same thing.
Sonic so you mean to say Jordan also needed great teammates to win? wow fascinating
Marvin Santana they definitely are stans. i know Jordan is the goat but the gap is way smaller than the stans make it out to be. If lebron had this game you would be hearing about it until lebron retires but since its jordan it shows off his iq and how good he is at making adjustments
@Marvin Santana True
@@yallaretrippin8604 but LBJ has had plenty of bad games like this in the playoffs though everyone has🤷♂️
never knew about this game . nice vid Dom
I’m sorry, I’m just distracted by that hideous late 80s spacing. No wonder the Pistons were so content to double MJ, who else was a threat?
No one lol, imagine if he had korver, kyrie, Ray, Miller and Chalmers and other great shooters for spacing, he's average like 14 assists because you need a great player to knock down the shot regardless of you making the right play
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET if only lol Korver and Chalmers seemed to brick more the longer the playoff run would get
This is why the concept of 'assists' and 'assist-turnover ratio' does not tell the full sstory of what a player is going through. Ben Taylor's Shot Creation would be able to pick up Jordan's gravity and point guard actions here.
The talent was there, but the Bulls didn’t win until Phil Jackson got there. Elite coaching got Jordan to the chips.
They lost with Phil there as well...
Couple things, I remember watching this game and feeling like Jordan was laboring a bit from the jump. He took a lot more rest moments on defense then normal in my opinion and he just lacked his usual burst. Given how physical Detroit was that makes sense but secondarily didn’t Collins specifically talk about this game and how they made a mistake in the game plan?
I agree he didn't quit but I guarantee if bron has that game these playoffs he's getting crucified and labeled as "doesn't have that killer mentality"
Keep up your amazing and very very good work. Love your videos Dom
When did Dom get a new intro? It looking nice.
When the year started
Good video showing detroit defense BUT,,,,,,
Who ever said jordan "gave up?" who ever was watching the game at that time knew it was the defense. I believe they called it the "jordan rules", never heeard he "gave up" in my life from anybody
Wow, these media have always been misleading their titles even back then. Jordan did not disappear this game, it's just that the Pistons defense is great, and Jordan played as PG, so he took less shots
This is like Kobe's game 7 against the suns
Sounds like a game plan issue more so than Mike quitting g
Isaac Gracia Mike fed post that entire game I watched and had hamstring issue since March only missed 1 game limped game 6 next game and in Knicks series previous round
Crazy thing is... When I was on Google+ in the NBA community, I brought this up about Jordan & how Vinnie Johnson outplayed him just to show folks that every superstar has had a bad game(s) in the postseason.
Also, this is just a microcosm of what I've also said, Jordan was a terrible shooter outside of 18ft, that's why the _"if he played today he'd work on his 3pt shot & shoot better"_ when in reality it wouldn't have unfortunately. Jordan's game was 18ft & in, he dominated that.
Skinny Hardaway Their protecting MJ like crazy. To me personally, there is multiple goats. MJ has the most glamorizing career. But Kareem is up there, Magic, LeBron, Kobe, etc.
Lebron mos def not in Goat conversation. Lebron not even better than kd and Kawhi. Yes mj had a off GAME but this video lying saying mj quitted,the definition of quitting is going on another team