The Making of Valley of the Dolls | PT 2
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In this video I take a look at what happened on the set of Valley of the Dolls and how it affected its stars’ careers.
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Pausing halfway through to give a MASSIVE amount of respect to Susan Hayward for insisting that Judy Garland be paid her full contracted fee prior to accepting the role of Helen Lawson. Such a profound act of compassion nearly brings tears to my eyes. What a class act! ❤👏
Such an absolute Queen act!
I honestly wanted to cry hearing that. So compassionate!
Didn't Hayward die of brain cancer because she inhaled some soil imported from a nuclear test site? So Valley!
What a truly compassionate and class act by the great & legendary actress, Ms. Susan Hayward! This really warms my heart. Props to the content creator of this video for mentioning this kindness, so that history will remember many of those in HOLLYWOOD were amazingly kind and generous in deeds that few ever would hear about. These are the kinds of people I remember growing up around as a child when I rode with my Dad who had a sprinkler business that did many of the star's yards and landscapes back in the 1950 & 1960s. God Bless You, this made my day!
I love Susan Hayward.
Patty Duke with that glowing white hair aged absolutely beautifully. I am glad she had a better ending than her beginnings.
Certainly a Happier ending that Neely's for sure.
I was born in 93. It shocks me that I just heard Duke speak the exact same words the child stars of my generation keep repeating in podcasts today. And we are still hearing it as if it was the first time we hear it and doing very little about it
The struggles of the child star haven't changed, unfortunately
My son has albinism, and was very striking looking as a young child. Quite a few people urged me to try to get him into show business. I always reacted with horror - I can't think of a worse thing to do to a kid.
Hollywood is cancer.
But we do have some child care laws now, with more protection for children from being exploited.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately, humans never seem to learn 😢
It was so very grand of Susan Hayward to accept the role meant for Judy Garland on the condition that they pay Judy in full. What a great lady!
If anyone noticed Susan Hayward making some exaggerated moves when walking, it's because she had a left wooden leg. She had done a film with John Wayne called "The Conqueror" and unbeknownst to the cast and crew, there had been nuclear testing at the remote desert site of the filming. Hayward began having leg problems half a year later, and it turned out to be a tumor, requiring amputation. Even keen movie-goers couldn't spot the prosthetic leg in Susan's later films. When Judy Garland found out that Susan refused to play Helen Lawson unless Judy was paid her full fee of $75,000, Judy arranged a lunch date at Arby's, an unusual choice, but both ladies were down to earth. Since no alcohol was served there, Judy brought a thermos of Pepsi and vodka. Susan cracked, "Who do you think you are, Joan Crawford?" Each lady had a hearty laugh. Judy asked Susan "Is there anything I can do to repay your kindness?" Ever the classy dame, Susan didn't want a gift. She lifted the hem of her dress and said, "Sign my leg, honey." And Judy did! It saddens my heart to know that this kind of humanity no longer exists in today's Hollywood, all selfishness and cutthroat jealousy.
it's not true.
@@w.urlitzer1869 Oh, very true. Susan specified in her will that when viewed before burial, her legs would be in view, to show off Judy's inscription: From One Barracuda to Another, Love, Judy. It's a reference to Helen Lawson's line in VOTD, "I'm a barracuda."
I thought they all lip synced back then. I remember reading that Judy Garland actually sang her songs instead of lip syncing , the mic was cut off?
@@maxinefreeman8858 Every song Judy sang in films was lip synched to a pre-recording, with the possible exception of "It Never Was You" in "I Could Go On Singing."
When people say one actor is bad, it could be the actor's fault. When people say most actors in a film are bad, it's probably the director's fault
I felt that way when I saw Sharon Tate's screen test. She seemed VERY different from the finished product. The screen test seemed more believable.
That's what I see usually.
I knew intellectually that Sean Astin was Patty Duke's son, but watching these while also rewatching LOTR it's really hit me how similar they are. It's hard to describe, but there's something in their eyes that's so emotive. Anyway, I always love your videos, and these two are some of my favourite youtube documentaries I've watched in a long time.
Patty Duke. What a legend. Not only was she important to the people in her generation who grew up with her but she was important to us 80’s and 90’s kids who enjoyed watching her tv movies with our mom’s. I remember her as the short tough lady always fighting for justice. Which was typically the plots to all her tv movies.
Rest well Patty ❤
I’m speechless at Hayward’s… I don’t even know what to call it. Strength of character, I suppose. At least SOMEONE was looking out for Judy in 1966.
I’ve been waiting for this for two weeks-and I was *NOT* disappointed! Thank you!!! Did not know Heyward insisted on Judy being paid- *FIRST CLASS ACT* !
I didn't know that about Hayward, either. If only Mark Robson hadn't blown her off when she reported to set, she might've done the scenes well...having said this, she was very close to "Helen Lawson" in "I Could Go On Singing". The hair, the swagger, the...everything else about Helen that Susan Hayward brought out. Everyone's been gone for years, yet it's still a shame it didn't happen as originally intended.
This doc said that.
The hair and make-up and costumes are so beautiful. The actresses look so good.
Hearing everything people said about Sharon Tate knowing what happened to her will always sadden me greatly. From the sounds of it, she was the sweetest, kindest person you could ever imagine meeting, and had decent potential as an actress. She was only 26 when she was killed (which, as someone who's nearly 25, is even sadder for me). I have no doubt that she would have gone on to do bigger and better things, and probably would have become a gay icon.
Thank you for taking time to talk about her career, because it seems the gruesome brutality of her death overshadows how beautiful and charming she was in life.
Me too. As a fan of hers since I was a child, I believed she had so much more to give especially in comedy for I loved her in "The Wrecking Crew." Loved how this video essay covered her and gave meaning to her life. I hope more watch it and see what potential was there.
A friend, as a teen, attended the premiere with family friend and major singer Margaret Whiting. When “I’ll Plant My Own Tree” started, startled he turned to Maggie and said “that’s you!” She shushed him and said “no one’s supposed to know.”
I loved Margaret Whiting's version of "The Hot Spell" in the 1950's.
It's so touching to learn that Judy was a role model for Patty and Marilyn. And your ad for Skillshare is right -- your videos, stellar to begin with, have only increased in quality. Both the content and its presentation are more polished and nuanced. Thanks for another great one!
Only going to argue with you on Dionne Warwick---she is always phenomenal and pulls this theme into another dimension.
This movie is a gem. It's incredibly slow-moving. The 60s styling and mod artistic touches are priceless. Loved parts 1 and 2 . I learned things about this movie I never knew.
It's ghastly how life paths of abused-neglected Marilyn v/s abused-overcontrolled Judy & Patty traverse two halves of a circle to meet in the end. No childhood centre to stabilize them. 🌹😥💔
I've never seen the actual movie. But I'm currently a few minutes into the second half of this BKR two-parter.
That goes to show the quality of this channel.
Thank you 🎉
This series is an amazing academic piece, honestly! It also gave me so much respect for Patty Duke
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Patty Duke never became a major movie star, but she starred in numerous made-for-TV movies, and she was terrific in all of them. R.I.P Patty Duke.
I completely agree.
SHE WON AN ACADEMY AWARD FOR " MIRACLE WORKER " WHICH IS A MAJOR MOVIE
@catherinecatlover Yes, I know she won the Oscar, but that doesn't mean she became a huge star in feature films (just Google her filmography). However, she was quite popular in television and starred in numerous series, made-for-TV movies, and miniseries.
Patty Duke won a Golden Globe Award for the film “ Me Natalie” in 1969 which introduced us to Al Pacino. How does a person win an Academy Award, two Golden Globe Awards, three Emmy Awards with eleven nominations, two people’s Choice awards, President of SAG and name on Hollywood walk of fame not be a major star ?
@@WayneHendrickson-q4zAgree - she was a major movie star. She did not have massive longevity in cinema beyond the 70s. That’s a difference. It doesn’t mean she wasn’t a major movie star.
I love your research and attention to detail for this series. I can't help but just sit here absolutely mad about how poorly these women were treated by the director.
I loved this movie. My big sis had me watch it as a child and I was hooked. It's camp and fabulous.
Susan Hayward asking the studio to pay Judy Garland in full was an amazing thing to do, what a good human being.
I can’t believe the critics didn’t like the scene between Tony and Neely tbh. Every time I watch it, I’m so immersed by that point that I tear up lol. I think the whole “worst movie ever” title is blown wayyyyyy out of proportion. Watching it without historical context, I’d think it was just another overcolorized 60s camp film. Great video! It’s always fun walking down memory lane with this one
That scene with Tony and Neely in the Sanatorium is an emotional and dramatic moment.
Okay, I actually had no idea that Patty Duke was Sean Astin's mother.
And you're right about Sharon Tate. I can't help what comes to mind when I think of her but she was a person and deserves to be known as more than the victim of a hideous crime. I liked hearing her say that she'd love to do light comedies.
Yes Patty's last husband before she died was John Astin, who played Gomez on The Addams Family. He raised Sean as his even though Sean did find out who his bio father was. Mackenzie Astin is Patty's other son who was on the TV series "The Facts of Life".
Also regarding Sharon, Ive been a fan since childhood so I don't think of her death when I think of her because Ive been so immersed in her personality on the few movies and interviews she did but I so loved what was stated in this video essay about her for she truly does deserve that. My favorite movie is "The Wrecking Crew" because she is so funny in it and st ands out to me there, so that truly was her niche. I have not totally watched "13 Chairs" but it being her last movie was also comedic.
I've always been a big fan of Patty Duke. I enjoyed her show --she played that duel role so well that it actually seemed as though she was two people --and thought she was adorable. Her acting was much better on the show than Valley of the Dolls!😒
As a child of the 70s, I read the book and loved it. When I saw the movie on TV as a teenager, I was slightly disappointed but I did learn to appreciate it more as I got older and had more life experience. I just want to thank you for all the thought and effort you put into this Video. I learned a lot.
I cried on the part in the sanitarium when Neely meets the dude omlll
You did an amazing job describing this train wreck of a movie .... that we all ❤ with popcorn and wonderment.
You nailed it - and why it is important to study - a voice of an age - and so much more.
This is an important film for so many levels.
.... and a happy pleasure on a day when you have 'one of those days'
Massive congrats and thank you.
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One of the best documentaries I have see in a LONG time. I always loved Patty Duke no matter what she played in. She always played films that required more than the average actress. What a story...with a happy ending . I grew up with her and watch the movie where she betrayed Helen Keller is was awesome to me as a child and I am still moved by it.
Exceptional, thorough, carefully sourced. This is one of the finest film channels anywhere in the world.
Another brilliant, insightful video treasure from Be Kind Rewind. How does this channel not have a couple of million subscribers?
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Your endlessly interesting video essays are astoundingly good. The bigger picture, the social contexts, all arrive at a sense of clarity on films and lives.
So true about Parkins's role… Over the years, I often missed her brief scene stumbling on the beach, which depicted her addiction, which always confused her role for me.. I think in many versions, it’s simply edited out..
Tjat's odd, I wonder why that bit was edited out.
It was a recreation of Jennifer Jones most famous sui attempt.
@@farrellmcnulty909 Perhaps not.. the clip is only 10-20 seconds long.. reaching for a bottle, in the surf.. I probably missed it every time..
What an excellent journalist BKR is. Her writing is smooth and direct and honest (not gimmicky or pretentious). I wonder if she's as young as her voice sounds. She writes about the movies the way I would, if I could write. And research. For instance, the fact that she chose to examine the director, who are often more interesting than the actors. For one thing, they're often well educated and intellectual, and possibly why they so often clash with the the emotionally-driven actors. Glad I found this channel.
Barbara Parkins was great in the movie and very stunning. Jacqueline Susann even thought she was the best thing in the movie and the two became friends.
Now that it's "spooky season," I would like to see your analysis on the Academy's attitude on the horror genre and its performances. Horror has been offering some stellar performances, especially in the past decade but the Academy seems to think that this genre is not "prestige" enough for it to be recognized.
Horror has always been interesting to me too, because it seems like the one genre where people don't get mad and make a big fuss about there being a female main lead. Even if horror can be sleazy or exploitative at times, it's given so many meaty and powerful roles to actresses that weren't always available elsewhere.
@@litchie5836exactly, the final girl trope has been putting women as main survivors for decades.
Thank you for this brilliant video essay!
P.s. your old title cards were great too! Since you focused on Oscar year back then, each title card was essentially an infographic that served to make each video instantly identifiable in a watchlist (i.e. without having to read the video title or creator).
Agree with you so hard about there being so many things worse than Valley of The Dolls. The fact it's so captivating jn a strange, campy way is something unique that many films emulate but can't. Also ngl I think Sharon Tate does well in the film for all she can.
THANK YOU!!!! So exciting! You are a brilliant investigative journalist. Well researched and excellent delivery. Take it from this Old Lady, overcoming a back injury while battling fibromyalgia. Your empathy and kindness shine through. You inspire my Dear. Please keep putting out content that informs me. And finally,my favorite part of your videos- the way you say bitch. I practice. My kids think it’s hysterical. You’ve enriched the lives in my house. My beautiful son , who happens to be gay and i adopted his best friend who is transitioning, LOVE YOU! I’ll be watching this again when they get home from work. Thanks for that too. Please keep sharing the little pieces of you that show in your work. You’re adored my Dear😘💜🌹🌻🎤🌹🌷💙🫶🏼😎
Don`t care what THEY say, VOTD was great !!! And all the actors were awesone, imo !
Interesting thing about the Susan Hayward role: the character, portrayed as a callous, calculating battleaxe, I think, suggests an obvious counter point to the portrayals of the three up-and-coming actresses. Hayward's character, a long term career 'survivor," is nearing the end of her career, and her tragedy is to understand who and what she's become in order to survive - and what Duke's character, Neelie, is clearly on her way to becoming as well. The implication, taking Valley of the Dolls on the whole, is that the entertainment industry is not kind to women, and it leaves them deeply damaged if, in the long term, they survive in a career at all.
You’ve done an absolutely stellar job on VOTD❤ Thank you so much for the time, work and obvious affection you have for a film which has been a long time favourite of almost every gay man of my generation. Again, thank you ❤
I see the comment about what I wanted to write: What a wonderful person Susan Hayward was. She insisting Judy be paid in full. I always liked Susan Hayward. What noble character she had. That's really something what she did.
Thank you!! Been waiting for part 2 after my 3rd rewatch of part 1
I'll Plant My Own Tree, what a bop.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT PATTY’S VALLEY ALBUM
Lee Grant is like the white Jane Pittman she's like 100+ years old bless her heart
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Terry Melcher was Doris Day’s son. After the Manson murders, they thought she may be a target too because of the notoriety. She had a bodyguard as well as one for her son for some time.
Coincidentally, she was friends with Jackie Suzanne and it was she who convinced Doris Day to write an autobiography, which became Doris Day: Her Own Story.
I have been waiting for part 2. Thank you 🙏🏿!
Another 1h + video, we have been blessed!
10:18 Now you know Helen Lawson said only 1 hit song comes out of a Helen Lawson show and that's Helen Lawson and that's me baby remember 👏👏👏👏
I don't care what anybody says, I LOVED Valley of the Dolls and still do. Phffffft!!
Vivien Leigh was told by the director of Gone With the Wind to "just ham it up". She didn't. She was also severely bipolar.
Yes!! Been waiting so patiently for this one. Thank you!!!❤
I’ve been looking forward to this second part!! The first part was incredible💗I know this will be as well
You have a very articulate manner in describing scenes, personalities. You make an amazing movie critic!
Patty was such an underrated beauty. Can't help but stare into those eyes.
You've done some really amazing work here! Thank you for sharing!
I really enjoyed this video, and your focus on the lives of the various actresses who played roles in the movies. You did a great job of contextualizing their lives and telling the story from a point of view that is analytical yet sympathetic at the same time.
You legit made me cry hahaha I love VOTD and Patty Duke's album. Thanks for pointing out the meta analysis as well, towards the end. Even though it was ''meta'' pre release, it definitely became meta post release; moreover, it gave this film more curiosity.
I need an "it's called ACTING mark" t shirt
This was VERY WELL DONE! Kudos
I just screamed so loud
Back in a previous work life I got to meet Patty Duke on two occasions, and she was the absolute nicest person both times. I was in my university’s theatre program the first time we met, and when that was mentioned her eyes just lit up. That was all she wanted to talk about afterwards, like I was the only person in the room. I will always treasure those few minutes with her, and the picture we took together with myself, Patty, and her Oscar. A light gone out far too soon. ♥️
Both parts of this series are great. Very, very well done.
So excited to see Part 2!!!
Always in awe of your storytelling abilities. A really fantastic one-two punch here. Thank you for this!
The tragedy of the film was that it was made too early. Just imagine if it had gone into turnaround and kicked around studios long enough for Robert Altman to have a shot at it.
YESSSSSSS would love more deep dives into a single film!
Part one and part two have both been excellent. Very well researched and accurate. Wonderful. Please do more. 💕💐
"that wig situation" . . . *chef's kiss*
This is a brilliant series. Thank you so much!
Bravo ! Hats off for a job well done ! Amazing research detail brings such insight not only to the characters in Valley of the Dolls but the individuals who portrayed the characters in the film.
You kick ass! Your videos should be the template for everyone making deep dive videos. You're the gold standard!
you have done a stellar job on this subject. as always I learn so many things from watching your videos. thanks so much for all the time and effort.
This moved me to tears, thank you so much for this video!
17:35 After “S**tty, honey. Really s**tty.”, we have “It’s called ACTING, Mark!” by Lee Grant.
Fantastic deep dive into a film I have yet to see…time to address that I think!
I’ve been looking forward to this ever since Part 1❣️🥰🙏🏻🙌🏻💕 Thank you! 🤩😍
I might not always agree with your conclusions, but the quality & intelligence you bring to your videos is second to none. Love you work.
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Yay !! So stoked to see PT2
Some of the biggest Box Office hits of 1967 were musicals, Camelot and Thoroughly Modern Millie. Even Doctor Dolittle was the 17th biggest moneymaker that year. Similar to Cleopatra, its reputation as a failure is due to the fact that it didn't make back its enormous production costs, but as movies go, it made money at the box office. OLIVER! didn't come out till December of 1968. and most of its box office was made in 1969 where you also had musicals that, if their budget hadn't been so high would have been considered big box office hits such as Hello Dolly, Paint Your Wagon and Sweet Charity.
I loved this two-parter!! So well researched and put together. You’ve deepened my bond to this movie, and given me a greater appreciation for these actresses. ❤
This was an excellent doco on the movie and the many themes and issues it raises. What a great experience, to have such a full over-view of the story and one that has such resonance, as it also takes in the cultural context and the aftermath of the movie, which is almost more important than the movie itself. It was really a pivotal moment in movie history and world history and, of course, no one had any idea of any of that at the time. And it all just started out as a movie adaptation of a little exploitation book that ballooned into an industry that itself was part of the world-shifting reality that was the late sixties. And, of course, as you stated, how all that interplayed with 'show biz' itself and the whole movie-making phenomenon. It really is incredible when you look at it from the perspective of a few decades later. Kudos to you for capturing all that. I'll have to watch the first episode and rewatch this one.
I'm a 35 year old straight guy, and i am always enthralled by your knowledge and passion for your work. I'm so glad i've subscribed to your channel, you are teaching me a world that i never knew existed. I sat through both hour long videos and watch the time pass by they are so well done. I'm upset at the life Judy Garland was given as well as Mrs. Patty Duke. Greed and ambition are a dangerous combination that fuels evil people to commit some outrageous crimes. As i keep telling several of my coworkers, if all this crazy, almost inhumane things were happening during the "golden age" of cinema in hollywood, imagine the shady shit occurring today.
Patty Duke was such a beautiful woman, inside and out, all of her life. Not to mention very brave, and very talented. ❤
Hi, hello! I am HUGE fan of your work! I usually watch your newest videos within the first hour of them being uploaded.
However, with great difficulty, I waited over a month to watch part 1&2.
It wasn’t easy, but I wanted to create suspense for myself and to savour the masterpiece you created. Anticipating how much I would admire your retelling of the history behind ’Valley of the Dolls’, and I will say the wait was WORTH IT! It was so captivating, so emotional and knowledgeable.
Thank you for ALWAYS putting in so much effort with each video. It is a such a privilege to watch what your create and a true pleasure to learn from you.
I know what I am talking about so here goes…..to everyone who worked on this project and everyone on film VOTDs : We the audience who are drawn to the story of VOTDs presented in novel, film, record, documentary/essays platforms we say thank you. As do those audience members who stumble, study/wallow in American culture, wants to work in publishing and know its history, grandmas who read and shared their paperbacks, translators around the world who changed the meaning of dolls forever, and of course garage sales, they feel the world turned and open for them. Of course for me and maybe others, the Bette Midler film Isn’t She Great. Thank you. Now I just can’t be the only one who remembers that VOTDs was made into a network mini series late 80s/early 90s and its ratings when televised launched it into a full time series. Now if the novel was filmed again, in motion picture or miniseries form, I would predict interest not so much by audiences but there would be a small to a 1/3 audience for a miniseries or motion picture on the production of the film VOTDs. The calling card to any motion picture maker looking for crew/financing is this video investigation/essay/in depth history. Makes my head fluffy with marketing and talent clouds.
You continue to grow into one of the most brilliantly resourceful, analytically detailed, sharp, intelligent, and compassionate voices for countless women who will forever change humankind as celluloid reflections of true beauty, real pain, love, and redemption. Thank you, @bkrewind, for yet another outstanding and fascinating film study.
Fabulous as expected. Still a little bemused that Martin Milner didn't get noted as having been in the picture, but then that is its own comment. Marvelous assessment of a publication landmark that became an inadvertently immortal film.
Love your work - spot on, brilliant, fascinating and hilarious.
I haven't clicked on a video so fast
Valley of the Dolls should really have been adapted as a TV mini-series instead of a feature film.
There is the 1981 mini-series Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the dolls. ruclips.net/video/pOUDWqVhb30/видео.htmlsi=DV61BquoXkXOHDcs
I absolutely recommend listening to the Manson season of "You Must Remember This." It's difficult subject matter, but it is such a well done season, well-researched and well-presented.
Robson could have chosen to behave professionally, suppress his timer fetish and be a decent director, but, evidently, he chose violence instead
I really enjoyed this video. The only point that I take issue with is that Patty Duke did in fact get another film role right after Valley of The Dolls. It was called “ Me Natalie “ and introduced us to a young actor named Al Pacino. Patty won the Golden Globe Award that year for her performance.
LOVE your recommendations at the end of videos; it's like if the youtube algorithm but actually relevant and good
So basically despite the miserable mess the casting and the filming was, we’re still interested today. Too bad, the different elements didn’t fall into place; it could’ve been more thoughtful and special. And thanks for sharing the factoid about Judy Garland not stealing her wardrobe.
Sweet! I had kept forgetting that there was going to be a part two coming out, except each time I saw similar recommendations from other channels. Only problem is I want to watch it later so I can do gardening and home maintenance now. I'm going to learn about patience I guess 😂
You hit a home run with this essay. You should be very proud! Impeccable research, attention to context, and good taste.
However...disagreements aside, your breadth of research and supporting documentation are often excellent - an appreciable (appreciated) feat.