New hi-tech insertion craft prototype for the Royal Marines in action
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- The Ministry of Defence is looking for a new design to replace the Royal Marine Commando Force's LCVP (Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel) - a design that can trace its origins back to the Second World War.
A submission from Steller Systems, known as the Offshore Insertion Craft, is in the running to be the LCVP's replacement, but can it meet the Ministry of Defence's requirements?
To win the MOD's Novel Amphibious Craft competition, any new design must be able to sustain a speed of 25 knots over up to 350 nautical miles.
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Turns broadsides into line of fire while carrying a full complement. Not sure!
Not to mention slowing down to turn and presumably slowing down to drop the winch anchor too 🤷♂️
That's cool. Out of the box thinking.
Seems vulnerable anchoring then turning around to deploy the ramp.
The anchor is a pretty good idea because if an LCVP gets beached, you need a Beach Armoured Recovery Vehicle, or a couple of other craft with tow lines, to get it off, again, which means if you don't own the beach or don't plan to stay long, you may lose the LCVP, or may not want to risk the insertion in the first place.
I'd rather it didn't have to spin around but haven't seen this manoeuvre in real time, so it may not cause much delay. And it does mean that the hull form can be better optimised for shallow draft at the back while having good high speed sea keeping with good crew comfort (which is a requirement) and placing the pilot and commander at the front for improved visibility.
@@lukedogwalker It will either have to stop to retrieve the anchor, or jettison it after every troop drop. No chance of safely retrieving it at 25 knots.
@@sarkybugger5009 when would it ever approach the beach at 25 knots? 🤯
Transit speed is 25. That's for travelling the hundred plus miles from the LPD which stays out in open water. But you don't ram the shoreline at 25 knots! Not if you want to keep your teeth in your head!
Absolutely. Ditch the anchor, and replace it with a fold out 3rd wheel. Then the craft can drive up the beach, allow the crew to exit via the rear hatch with the craft as cover, then simply reverse back into the water. SeaLeg boats have been doing just that for decades.
@@lukedogwalker It will be wanting to leave the beach at high speed, not just arrive quickly.. The video shows it pulling itself into the sea, then speeding off, whereas in reality, it would have to stop to drop and retrieve the anchor, as I said originally. It's a f'ing stupid idea, and won't be adopted by anyone.
Something like that with caterpillar tracks mounted on hydraulic rams on the side. Lifted for high speed cruising, lowered in shallow water to crawl up various beach types, then once back in water raised.
Great idea! Low signature too
We have had hover crafts for ages.
The US developed something like this a while ago however found the increased moving parts, requirements for a larger or second engine reduced carrying weight and increased holes in the hull was a nightmare for maintenance and seaworthiness. Totally agree it would be the best of both worlds just giving some context for why it's a tricky ask
Snowmobile tech would suffice.
Looks great but perhaps a tad over-complex?
the reqs often are. The WW2 landing craft back in the day were complex compared to their row boat predecessors. At least it's achievable with off the shelf componentry.
If your an Atheist okay cool whatever the irony is a non believe in God is a Godly thought links to freewill etc. However my point is why have a crossed Christian and not all religions? Thought you guys always portray yourselves as the clever ones with your materialistic scentific dogma. And no it is not a tad over-complicated if these where the requirements for the vessel in order for them to make it. As they said its not final if they get the contract. ☮️
@@pseudovibes98 - My symbol is purely for aesthetic reasons. I tried one with several different religious symbols on it but it was far too small, particularly when viewed on a phone screen.
Thank You
Cracking idea, Cheers
To quote the younger generation, this craft is sick af!
@@alanboyd9013 I put a quote on a generation, I didn't quote a time. Your reply is so lit bruv.
@@alanboyd9013 If I tried any harder your brain would explode. I'm at a canter at the moment.
@@alanboyd9013As a young person gonna have to say you’re wrong on this one Alan mate people do still say sick
@@alanboyd9013Really? I hear them say it all the time, sadly.
Hey you guys, just give us a second to back up, then we can start fighting... OK?
So you turn around initially instead? When potentially under fire and still loaded?
That's needed for river crossing landings, cross current... like the Dnieper
If only somebody could invent something that could travel on both the water and land, at a decent speed on both, and seamlessly transition from one to the other.
Oh, wait..
Hovercraft? If only we had allies who use them in large numbers.
Oh, wait…😂
@@TypicalBritishperson4972 And they have the added benefits of being fantastically quiet and stealthy...
...hmmmm?
@@jackethangs5570 These or the hovercraft?
@@TypicalBritishperson4972 The hovercraft. Looking at footage of the US Marines operating their hovercraft militarily it seems that 'announcing their presence' to the enemy is part of the attraction. Not something the modern Royal Marines Commandos would want to do, I suspect.
Nothing stealthy about them though.
my suggestion would be investing in Gondolas.
I suppose this is more of a stealth oriented insertion craft. I'm not sure about the D-Day landing boats and how they turned around if they were ever even able to, but I presume that this is being used under the assumption that the enemy doesn't know you're landing
Kayaks (like the Cockleshell Heroes) are really stealthy.
They are, but they only carry 1 or 2 people
Looking forward to seeing these in the Black Sea!
Drones don't need a landing craft
that anchor thing will be detrimental, too complicated and an unecessary working part especially considering the variety of scenarios the vehicle could find itself in
I can't really see it working.
Think River crossings
While it complicates the loading/unloading, it greatly simplifies the ship design though allowing for a much faster and more stealthy vessel.
Hmm boat vs Javelin anti tank missile no contest.
I wonder how it would have worked in Crimea 1853, Gallipoli 1915, Dunkirk 1940, Singapore 1941, Tobruk 1941, Dieppe 1942, Anzio 1943, Salerno 1943, the Suez Canal 1956, and Fitzroy Bay 1982 ?
Nobody is going to notice that wake then!!!
Just what I was thinking.
An LCVP isn't exactly a ninja, either! 😂
Didn't see any LCVPs hit last time I attended an amphibios assault.
I served in the he Royal Marines SAS in the 1960s .
No such thing, stick to playing COD in your Mum's basement, there's a good boy.
Must be nice for the MiC...
Up to 20? That's enough to take how many beaches?
Fpv go bzzzz 💥
Exactly.
Tires are too small, they will sink into the sand, boat itself seems too small, it looks fine in calm weather like the one they filmed but that is not the usual weather.
So still no upgrade to the marines personal kit.? Sounds about right.
The RMs have had loads of updated personal kit recently. Crye Precision MTP kit. new rifle, new helmet, new boots, plus loads of other stuff.
'No need for time consuming turn around...' It still does the turn around, only BEFORE it has landed its valuable cargo, making them / it vulnerable for longer. mmm.
20 units?
I know it's a but of industry of a manufacturer, but not alot for the effort
People in the comments watched too much Saving Private Ryan... this is designed to stealthily deliver forces, not under fire, which becomes clear when looking at the requirements
Can't anywhere have an unseen threat. Why take some of the unnecessary risks of slowing to turn or anchor or present a side target to the land?
While US marines are getting new APCs that can deliver troops directly on to a beach quickly and under protection. The British MOD are gonna put our boys in a glorified speedboat that has to turn and reverse up the beach to unload our lads...
Agreed but the Royal Marines want their literal strike capability to be more stealthy. This prototype is a starter that will produce a better option; hopefully!
@@seasoldier3902 There will surely still be a requirement for the LCT and LCVP if this thing can only carry personnel, unless the Marines just want to Yomp everywhere with zero armour or mobility/supply support?
You need an underwater craft of some sort, as soon as you hit the beach though your fvcked with drones ect.
A BOAT WITH RETRACTABLE TRACKS
One day I will hear "vulnerable" pronounced correctly.
What if the anchor gets stuck?
You cut it off...
@@SloppySaladjust like on any naval ship
My point is it's unnecessarily over complicated, i'm sure nobody wants to deal with problems like that when they may be under fire, it also means a repair in the field which could hamper further landings.
@@Brookspiritanchor doesn’t get stuck. Maybe you mean the motor to pull it. Then you hand winch it. If it really is stuck in some rock, just drop it. By then you’re at sea, return, attach new anchor.
@@Brookspirittoo complicated when under fire? Have you seen helicopters? Fast jets? MBTs? If complicated things can't be handled while under fire, then the only weapon we can rely on is the bayonet. And maybe a piece of 2x4 with a nail in it 🙄
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Could we not just arty the hell out of the beach and then bimble-up unopposed?
Chinese watching this give their thanks, they will have one by next week.
I mean...
It does still need to turn around
still seems slow with today's defenses/droness
Why not just buy a Swedish Dockstavarvet Combat Boat 90?
The CB90 only has a range of 250 nm at 20 knots and only carries 18 troops. The new craft must replace the carrying capacity of the LCVP which carries up to 35 troops, and can also carry light vehicles or cargo. CB90 can only carry troops, no vehicles, and can only disembark them through one narrow opening, whereas an LCVP allows troops to disembark rapidly two or three abreast down that big ramp.
So, short range, too small, tight exit. Not a good fit for this job 👍
@@lukedogwalker By the time they build it, will we have enough booties to fill it?
Enemy could fly a drone or missile into the cabin through the open door facing the beach taking out everyone inside the craft.
But you could say that about any thing
I wonder if Russia reports on its development / future developments.. seems like a lack in security
As usual started thinking 10 years to late
Seems a long winded way of delivering what should be a fast insertion? Especially on a hostile beach head.
Think the Yank marines have a slightly better idea with their amphibious personnel carriers that just swim in and drive up the beach, protecting their payload all the way. Not ideal for covert insertion maybe, but it's unlikely there's a one solution fits all scenarios for this requirement.
Thats a scale model right......right?
1/3 the size of the full thing, listen to 1:53
...yes. they said it twice in the video.
You always prepare for the previous war.
NATO been waging anti-insurgency and asymmetric wars for thirty years.
Now they are looking at Ukraine, but once the drone countermeasures have matured we’ll see the need for large force combat again, because the next peer or near peer war is not going to look like Ukraine. For example a war against China will be completely different than Ukraine. Even a direct war against Russia, instead of this proxy thing going on in Ukraine, would be a different ball game. Preparing and predicting the next war isn’t the same as preparing for the previous one. 30 years of neocolonialism and neoliberalism have destroyed the foundation of NATO’s cold war strength, it will take decades of systematic change on an economic level to revert. The real problem, where to get the funding, because after decades of upward transition of wealth there is not much left with the tax payers. The sanctions on Russia have shown that buying western debt is a poor investment, so the days of printing free USD are nearing an end. Decoupling from China is like decoupling from Russia, it comes at a high economic cost and with China the effect is both wide and deep.
Stick phalanx on the roof of an LC and now you have drone proof landing craft that can also cover the beach.
Probably
Anchoring itself in high intensity zone is a recipe for disaster. One other boat goes over that line and that's two boats out of the fight. You know the MOD staff are idiots for even showing off such a flawed design!
Boats wouldn’t cross each other. Might as well worry about boats colliding. You English are such worry nellys.
Hand on right at the end of this video the commenter said "up to twenty"...
So the British military is panning to have just 20 small landing craft, how small a war is the MOD tooling up for? Perhaps if the UK went to war against Monaco or Liechtenstein then 20 might be enough but probably not, even Monaco and Liechtenstein would have thousands of personal ready to fight whoever step off of one of those things.
Look at the numbers of soldiers that Britain sent out to the Falklands War, it was thousands of men. How many of those would the MOD have needed if the MOD had used them in the Falklands War?
You don't land an army using LCVPs. You land the Royal Marines. They're specialist light infantry that operate in the commando role. They are not arriving to occupy a country. For that you still need a port and Ro-Ro vessels.
looks silly
Ridiculous
The keyboard Einsteins are at it again! if you guys are so clever, why don't you submit your ideas and designs to the MOD!
LCVP / Danube + Dniester + Bug + Dnieper = Odessa Ukraine War²
Thats not really how it works, you cant just submit your ideas to the MOD
congrats on inventing a boat
So impressive - but absolutely none of our forces are of any use to us if we can't say that our national borders are secure.
Why?
That is a horrible design......turn around before landing should have scrapped this idea before it got off the drawing board......just rubbish.
There must be a reason?
Ahh you're so smort. If only DSTL employed you!
@@kael13 they have very obviously done a lot worse......
lol,ok….the mod will buy the most expensive,unreliable,delayed version they can…incompetence at senior level in s as l most every department in the uk.,
This is stupid.
Um, did you guys even watch Saving Private Ryan? A group of Nazis from WW2 could easily wipe out the people exiting this brand new 2024 concept. Doesn't the AAVP solve this problem? Also, do countries even try to do amphibious assaults anymore? The last one was in Iraq 1, for show, and the reporters met the Marines on the beach. Lol
So it's not even completed and you have a one third scale model. Build the thing then show off 😂