10k Miles on the Dunlop TrailMax Mission Motorcycle Tires | Oregon Motorcycle 2020
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2020
- Giving you my thoughts on the Dunlop TrailMax Mission tires after 10k miles of abuse. These are an excellent, all around tire for ADV bikes, and much more.
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Nice review!!
I'm seeing this review on December 31st and when I heard that three months ago you were aiming at 6k subscribers by the end of the year I checked and....congrats!! You are now at 6.05k!! :D
Take care and happy new year,
Alessandro
Thanks! Happy New Years!
Running Michelin Pilot 4's. Pure on road, a rear fitted here in Wales, £170. Jesus! Content right up my street!! Yosh!!
Thank s for the review. Cheers and enjoy.
Outstanding job! I’m getting these tires installed soon! Subbed!
Thanks!
Still loving them. On my second set. Got over 20k out of the front.
Thanks for your review.
Great video man! Very helpful and you make a lot of sense :)
Thank you.
I recognized exactly where you were right away! I even noticed the giant wheel in the ground going down the hill to the round about! I’m from Tualatin by the way
Oh cool.
Thanks for the info. I had the same experience with my Honda CB900F.
I ended up getting a flat strip on my rear tire. So bad that I could feel it when I got leaned over. It was scary, when the center became very flat. I researched the dual compound sport touring tires and it made all the difference! Going straight is boring!
Be well and ride safe!
I'm guessing you don't spend much time on knobbies. They get a massive wide flat spots from riding street
💯💯💯💯you have to push equipment limits to know where those limits lie…finally someone who rolls like me👍
For cold/rainy conditions, decrease your rear tire (street pressures) on the rear 5-15 psi. This increases contact patch, and increases friction (which increases tire temps). The Trailmax Mission has extremely stiff sidewalls, so pothole/curb pinch flats are highly unlikely at lower pressures.
Running the same pressures, all the time, in varying conditions, is like wearing the same clothes year round, it’s not effective or efficient.
Dunlop got these tires right the first time, IMHO.
I do. I’ll get down to 25 on the rear, on the street. I typically run 30/30 on the street in the summer and people are constantly insisting that my pressure is too low;). I’ve ridden 18/20 on the street before and your right about the stiffness, they might just be a lil too stiff out back. That being said I’m getting ready to replace the rear with the same tire. Nothing in life is perfect including these tires, and I expressed where they could improve. Overall I still think it’s the best all around tire on the market.
That’s good you don’t listen to every person who is eager to critique your maintenance. I have guys come up to me regularly to point out my chain is too loose. I look down at theirs and see A chain with a death grip on both sprockets. After my five minute seminar, they now realize the relationship between chain tension and suspension compliance. Not always their fault, a lot of shops/people spread a lot of misinformation. Happy Holidays.
decreasing pressure on a tire will increase its contact patch, but will decrease its hability to "cut" the water and move it away, because you have more contact patch and less pressure per inch... DON'T touch pressures.
@@MotorDanko From my experience, both on and off the track, a decrease in tire pressure has not significantly impacted a tires ability to shed water. Regards...
Great video!! Love my NC!!!
I currently am happy with TKC80 up front, but have lots of folks that love the Mission, too.
avon trailrider is a good PNW tire. had them on my tiger(1050) when i lived in springfield. worked well all winter.
Glad to hear this, about to bring my 790S up to Tennessee next week on the Trailriders.
My set of TrailMax arriving Wednesday. 👍
excellent review on the tires....can't wait to get off my shinko 705!
Thank you.
10k miles! That's nuts. To your dual compound comment on rear. Don't recommend that, only reason being. You get a shelf on the rear which you can feel if you only burn through the center(mostly highway). If all roads were twisty this wouldn't matter. But if we're honest, lots of us do long distance on adventure bikes. Just my opinion, thanks for the review man. Can't wait to get a set of these. Cheers!
I did a 5,300 mile trip on Shinko 705s they were sketchy in the rain. They were not confidence inspiring at all. They were the only thing I could find locally before leaving on my trip.
TKC70 Rocks for the rear. Dual compound 50/50 tire with great performance on both street and dirt 👍
Two great 50/50 rears that have a pretty soft compound in the TCK80 - a favourite to to tyre for a lot of 50/50 riders , - but you will probably only get about 4000miles or the Motoz Rallz will also get around the same .
Can you do a video on your chain change and how you went about it? Also how the front sprocket and sprocket guard all comes off and on again?
Great vids man!
You don’t remove anything except the chain. Once the chain is broke, attach the new chain to the old one with the ML and pull it through.
Great video. What exhaust have you got??
Sounds nice.
I run the Trailriders on my Tiger 800xc and they have been a god road tire as I mostly commute on pavement. I have done off road with them as well and for most of what I’ve ridden they have been okay but not great.
Earlier this winter I got into some snow and mud on a day ride into the mountain and they caked up easily and turned into slicks. (Not fun).
Keep it up sir 👍👍
I have 6k+ miles on my Dunlops on an R12GS, with plenty of tread left front & rear. Agree on the dual-compound argument. Front tire sticks like glue as you say. Rear, I have to be careful in the wet; wet+cold, very careful. Still enjoy these tires a lot, but they may not be a good choice for cold weather use.
I just wanted to say, that maybe Honda 500 is too light for Missions, but with your voice, it isn't the case...
Its mid January when I'm watching this. I have the Avon Trail Riders on my 650 Versey. It performs like a 100% street tire. The one thing I noticed as soon as they were installed, they gave the steering a heavy feel, to initiate a turn. Not sure if that is related to the profile of the tire. They are stable and predictable in the corners. I don't have any experience in wet weather. I'm thinking about the Trailmax Mission for my V Strom 1000xt Adventure.
I wonder if my question on your last video prompted this, lol, either way I appreciate the review
If you were the asking about my tires, your comment was inline;). I have been planning to do this vid and maybe your comment subconsciously reminded me.
Do you find these tries to be heavier than others and does this effect the bike in any negative way as far as handling or power response?
Which is your favorite tire front and back so far?
Hey I’m down in Eugene. Feel free to send info on that ride you’re talking about. Oh and good review. Looking to get some trailmax’s on my Tiger 800.
I’m impressed you’ve got 10k on those and have 1,000 plus left on them. That’s good mileage out of a motorcycle tire. Looking to go to a 50/50 tire on the Twin. Got my eye on the Mitas E07. I’ve got 3k on my TKC80’s and the back one is pretty much done.
The TKC 80 is another softer compound tire that has decent on road performance from what I’ve heard. They just don’t last that long;). I thought about running these tires before. I might next year. I’ve heard good thing about the e07.
I put trailmax on front and rear of my DRZ400 about 4k miles ago. Had Dunlop 605's on it and left 605 on front about 500 miles before I changed it. I must say they're about the best I've had so far out of 3-4 different brands. I'm mostly on dirt/gravel, with mud thrown in. First the bad; only one complaint and it's not bad when you know. Whenever I was riding rough mountain roads and come to deep mud hole, I'd ride up on side of mountain if I didn't want to get wet and front doesn't have the side knobbies to grip. That's it. I took bike everywhere my buddies went with knobs and they ask me how in the world I was beating them up the mountain with these tires? I just looked smug lol. And when we hit the twisties on pavement, they couldn't touch me. I may try some different brands, but trailmax is tops so far!
I'm trying sum tmms on a dr650. Did u seal your spokes bro?
Robert Enciso naw, put tube in. No problems!
Robert, one thing I'm starting to do is put those extra thick heavy duty tubes into all my duel-sports. My riding buddy had a crash and it ripped the valve stem clean off the tube 11 miles from the truck. He has WR450. Because we'd put that type tube in front, we were able to limp all the way back to camp where tire tools were. I don't believe we could've done that on standard tube. Cost a little more but I feel well worth it!
80% subsriber rate is WAY better than many of the channels I watch. As a new sub to your channel I haven't gone back and watched all your previous videos, but I am curious if you have done a Q&A video.
Thanks for the sub! I have not done a video that’s solely based on Q&A.
@@OregonMotorcycle If you do a Q&A I've got some Q's for you regarding your gear, camera setup, riding history, etc.
J Smith yes I really need to do a gear vid. Problem is I’m constantly wanting or waiting to get something new or better. Right now it’s new pants;) I’ve been riding street off and on for 20 years. Mostly sport bikes. Grew up in SoCal riding in LA traffic. My current bike is my first ADV bike. The last few years riding in Oregon I’m getting 20-25k miles a year. I use a GoPro 5 on my helmet and an 8 for the other stuff. I have a DJI Mavic mini drone which is awesome. I’ll link a video to my camera set up in my helmet below.
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I personally would not mix my tyres, think hard about it, however I can recommend the Michelin road pilot tyres for the wet weather, I have used them for several years in the wet north east of England. Stay safe.
It’s pretty common to mix tires on dual sports and I have done it before on sport bikes. All to achieve more front traction.
Just watched your review and have just installed on my DR650 but not yet ridden.
You have good info but are mistaken in wanting a dual compound rear( this is why they made tread depth so deep. To last as a single compound)
If you say the rear is slippery in rain(I’ll watch for that thanks!)it would be even more so if it had a harder durometer Center section.
I have ridden many miles on sport touring bikes over many years. (On them it is a challenge to get front to outlast a rear in twisties.)
The best profile holding longest lasting front tires are single compound IMO. I know , different application, but a comparison to your opinion.
Haven't had any issues with my road 5 in the dirt but I go super slow. On the pavement they are quite the security blanket with an outstanding reputation for rain riding. Don't know about that since it rains here so infrequently that I don't ride when it does. Very informative video. Anyone who has ever ridden with you knows that you do give tires a workout. I would be interested to see how long a rear road 5 will last on your bike. I'm hoping to get 6000 but may have to settle for 5000 out of mine.
Thanks! ;). You should be able to get 6k. I’m on the fence. It’s funny I’ve almost bought those tires a few times now. Don’t think Ive ever heard one bad thing about them and a lot of my friends run them.
Awesome review,,,im trying to figure out what kind of tire to replace the stock ones once they crap out.
Thank you!
hey man, could you tell me the exact tires with measurements for the front and rear ? thx !!!!!
So is the rear tyre worse for the street than the OEM MixTours? Wet weather etc.
ADV tires tend to stay away from dual compound because of punctures and block/knob chunking. The 150 17 rear is also designed for 500+ pound machines.
There’s dual sport and motocross tires that are dual compound.
10,000 miles is crazy good and both tires still have life left. That is amazing. I just bought a set to go on my bike and was mind set on doing the swap myself but I've watched some videos and it is a hard job. I'm not sure I'm going to put them on myself with spoons or bail and take them to a bike shop with a tire machine to do the swap.
They are a bitch to mount…
I have over 20k on the front tire😎. It’s still on the bike😊
@@OregonMotorcycle Well - I kind of bailed on the tire swap. I called a local guy that is good with motorcycle maintenance and he has a manual tire machine that fits into a trailer hitch and most importantly clamps onto the rim once the bead is broken. These TrialMax Mission tires were ridiculously hard to put onto the front and rear rim. It took the two of us struggling for over two and half hours of painful effort to get them on. These tires are so stiff they just don't move so just getting the valve stems back into the rims pinched knuckles until we both were screaming. By the end of it all they were balanced and on the bike. It is a good thing they last a long time because I do not want to go through this again any time soon. lol
@@trekOCLVone next time warm them up. Seriously helps a ton. But yeah the new rear tire took 2 of us on a manual tire mounting machine….
I got the core of the tire to about 110*…
I think they will work very good to meet my kind of riding needs on my Transalp. Some off pavement but no deep woods, single track as my Enduro 2 stroke bike is for that.
Dunlop site, (now in March 2024)
"60/40 Adventure tire. An aggressive tread pattern yields traction in hard terrain. Built-in rugged tread blocks feature Staggered Step design, a step-down feature to provide rigidity in the contact patch to enhance stability and handling. Wrap-around lugs on the tire’s edge help protect the tire from sharp rocks and provide additional off-road traction.
New compounds deliver the perfect balance between road and off-road performance and deliver class-leading mileage performance. Deep grooves excel in wet weather conditions and offer additional biting edges for off-road performance...".
They are not considered a deep sand and deep mud tire but can do some mud and sand.
Great vid. I’m thinking of running the Trailmax on the front, but the Continental 70 Rocks (it’s dual compound, with extra silica for the wet) on the rear. Thoughts?
I just bought this combination for my 1250 GSA. I’m still waiting for the factory Bridgestones to wear out. I. Cautiously optimistic about this tire combination!
@@randycooper6098 I couldn't get the Trailmax for my 19" front, so ended up going for the TKC70 Rocks rear and TKC70 front; slippery combo in the loose stuff but handles everything, so far and fantastic on the road. Will prob try the knobbier Motoz Rallyz rear / Motor Dual Venture (or Bridgstone ax41) front combo next time
those tires are designed for a bike that weights 600-800 lbs (i.e. r1250gs). the compound on the rear is for that weight and the heat it generates. (120+hp)...
This tire wasn’t designed for a specific bike lol. I believe Dunlop even had a cb500x as one of the test bikes in lake arrowhead when they let the press have a look.
@@OregonMotorcycle it can be used on smaller bikes. Marketing, but it was spect for larger displacement adv bikes. kinda like the 606s were for midweight to light weigh and the 908s were for high hp bikes and heavy bikes. like you said your not a tire engineer. lol
There is a guy here with GS 1250 and he says he must be super careful on the wet/cold tarmac...
I still can't get Dunlop TrailMax Mission in the UK :( the mileage you are getting is astonishing considering how you ride them.
You can’t just order off Amazon?
What width is your front tire?
The Trailmax Mission rear is not for me, dangerous on cold and wet pavement. Running the TM front now on my Super Tenere with a Michelin Anakee Adventure rear. Good combination so far.
*I've run many sets of Shinko 804 front/705 rear on my V-strom650, worked great for me for mixed use street/gravel.
Paul from Australia 🇦🇺, yes I had one of those Shinko 705,s on the front of one of my bikes ( it came with a rim replacement) VERY hard compound ! I found that Sunday first major off in 30 of riding - on road .off road well we all tend to have offs more 😂😂😂 agree a 💩 tyre , I will be changing it out ASAP. On road iv been running the Dunlop Roadsmart 3,s fantastic grip in all conditions ( and great 👍 life ) better that the road/ Pilot tyres & Metzler Road Tec - in life traction with all three are very good . My off road tyres are Pirelli M21 Rallycross front - fantastic grip in ALL on and off road conditions ( yes 👍 big call but true ) and got 7000miles out of front . Rear Motoz Rallz- only 3500miles in at least 70 % riding off road . Will be trying GoldenTyre GT723 rear next ( heard good things ) but you Dunlop Mission I’m seriously considering for my trip around Australia 🇦🇺 next year.
I have over 12k on them now🤣
@@OregonMotorcycle that’s fantastic I think after I finished off the Dunlop Roadsmart 3 during the rest of this year and to mid next , then ride 3500 miles North to Cairns North Queensland Australia , will then change out the front for the Mission for my Trip over at least 50% off road will probably do 5000 miles on it back home again ? . Just need to decide on a good rear before then .
I wonder how much weight comes in to play, Dunlop didn't really design it for 430lb bikes. I don't have any wet weather traction issues on mine, I do typically have traction control on in the rain though unless i'm up to some shenanigans but even then I'd have to really come on to it to get it to break loose and i've got a lot more power and torque on my V-strom 1000. The bikes heavier though so makes me wonder if that relates to the tire acting softer as it has more weight pushing down on it.The Shinko 804/805's I had had terrible wet weather as did the heidenau K60. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Avon Trail Rider, buddy of mine is a moto journalist and Avon's are all he will run! I used the Spirit ST on my Strom when I was doing a 9,000km trip and the handling was amazing! He claims that they are a very round tire, and they certainly appeared to be.
P.S if you want a really good wet weather tire try otu some Pilot Road 5's, amazing!
I believe weight is a huge factor. And to counter this best I can, I run lower than typical air pressure. Some of my friends give me shit about it, but I pay attention to the temps. I run 25lbs when it’s cold. I’ve ran 20 in the front several times on the street with this bike. Maybe I should eat more pizza 🍕 🤣
im sure the dual compound was in the design of this tire,dunlop just did not want to give us all the technolgy in this tire. wait for the gen 2 of this tire it will be there & so will the price.
Ever compared to the Motoz Tractionator GPS? If you do, I’d love a comparison video. I feel like your opinion reflects my research closely.
I have not, but I’ve heard really good things about them.
I'm a little late to the party, but did these tire seem heavy enough to have any power loss on your bike? I'm contemplating a set for a Versys X 300.
Ehhh. I can barely feel it when trying to pull a wheelie and can notice the extra weight when braking.
@@OregonMotorcycle Thanks for the reply!
first time ever I hear about these tires loosing grip on the rear and being bad on the wet... literally all the testers gave top specs and they did ride them hard in all terrains, so this comes as surprise....
Remember some might be influenced;). It’s literally, physically impossible for a knobby type tire that has one of the hardest compounds on the market to be competitive on wet pavement. People can say what they want, but the numbers just don’t compute and my 10-12k mile experience of riding in the PNW, proved that.
10,000 miles on the mean streets of Lake Oswego...lol
why not put the michelin anakee adventure next?
think that it's dual compound the back as well...
Ya I might try that tire someday.
How many miles did you get on the OEM Dunlop. I've got five thousand miles on my 2020 CB500X purchased in the middle of July and am wondering if the tires will make it to my first 8,000 mile oil change.
I think I did around 4.5k miles on them.
I just dropped my 2019 @ 5000k. Change
Maybe I missed it but did you mention how the tires handle freeway rain groves, in the rain?
I didn’t mention it, but they are fine.
Hello, do you have 170/60 ZR17/19 on it? As I know CB500X stock tires are 160/60, is it not a problem? As I know Dunlop is not making 160/60 from these tires. Thank you for your answer
150
@@OregonMotorcycle thank you. Is it not problem by police or governments? Or are they official for this moto too? I am waiting for that bike now 🙂
Dunlop is behind the 8 ball no rear tires available for any bike!!
Hmmmm. I’m looking at this tire for my Africa Twin. Good on rocks I assume?
Yep
What size did you go with for the Dunlops?
150
Any issues with vibrations in the handle bars using the Trail Max?
Nope.
What size rear tire did you put on?
150
still don't see the link listed for pipe you used for connecting the exhaust.
Check the other vid. Sorry, I’ll get it linked in the other videos tomorrow or something 😊
I find his exhaust very annoying. Stock sounds much better.
Can you tell me what was the preasure of your Dunlop tyres?
Usually 30/30
Honda gives 29/42 with Dunlop trailmax mixtour that is their default choise . I am a bit confused with my new Dunlop trailmax mission..
Any advice sealing/mounting these on dr650? Ty
No. They are a really stiff tire. Good luck.
@@OregonMotorcycle ok koo ty sir
I'm sold on the Trailmax Missions. I put a set on my Africa Twin and it was like night and day when I went off road. Would you mind telling me again the exact sizes you are running on the 500X? Thanks.
120 in the front and a 150 out back.
@@OregonMotorcycle Is there a reason you went with the 120 up front instead of the recommended 110?
Going for a lil more stability up front. Wanted to try something a lil different. I feel it’s more stable at highway speeds, but that could just be because it’s such a great tire. The downside is you need to push a lil more to maneuver at lower speeds, but you get used to it fast.
Thanks for your vid. Do you know if 170 60 17 fit at the rear?
@@julienmorel1611 don’t have the trailmax, but have 170 TKC80 and works great
I’ll subscribe, but only after I see that you’ve stopped OCDing on the blinker cancel pushing! Sheesh dude. Lol. ITS OFF! Hahaha
🤣🤣 I can’t stop 🤣😊
I have this same problem. Constantly pushing the cancel...constantly. 🤣🤣
Great review and these are exactly what I need. Could you share the exact sizes you went with ? I have the exact same bike you are riding here.
Mike
Bike registration book said rear tyre 160/60 r 17 ! Is legal in USA mount different size?
We can mount what ever size tire we want in the US. It’s our bike.
@@OregonMotorcycle Land of Freedom
Have you looked into the Mitas E07?
I believe I’ve glanced at them along with several others.
Ugh, 8 minutes in and I still dont know whether he likes these tires or not.
If it's a single compound tire it's already obsolete don't these tire companies get it you got to have dual compound for good life and good traction.
i am very dissasified with my shinko tires. never again
You say you're not a tire engineer, but you play one on YT.
2:20 ...dudes be draggin a dead body?
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le pot d échappement fait trot de bruit je préfère le bruit du pot style carbone
Hmm, first video of yours I watch. To say that you have to push things to the limit is contradictive of what you said before, which is that everyone rides at their own level. True, not everyone needs to be an Evel Knievel, a Mat Mladin, or a Valentino Rossi, guys who push the bikes to the very limit.
I learned to ride on a GXSR 1100. One of the top two fastest sport bikes in the world at that time. No one thought me how to ride, I am self thought. Since then I have owned many sports bikes with the smallest being a ZX-7R.
One time someone asked me how fast was my bike. I answered, "depending what magazine you read, it can do 0-60 in 2.5 to 2.7 seconds." "Why would you want something that fast?" He asked. "Well, just because the bike can do that it does not mean that I have to do that every time when the light changes. It's not not bike, it is you who decides how fast you ride. My bike can do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, or in 5 or even 10 minutes. It's up to me."
I am going on on my 35th year riding bike, in those 35 years I've never crashed and I have never fallen. Even though I ride my bike shine or rain. There is a very simple reason for that. Even though I do not ride like if I was 80 years old and I can ride pretty fast, I know my limits and I know that most bikes, specially sport bikes, can out perform the vast majority of riders. Very few people can push bikes to the bike's very limits and keep it there for long without eating it. Most people end up eating dirt or asphalt. Trust me, after ten years being a medic and now a patrol officer, I've picked up (sometimes others pick them up in body bags) plenty of motorcycles who thought or acted like they were God's gift to motorcycling.
I don't push my bikes to their very limits because I simply don't want to find out where their limits are. Rather I work on my own limits, meaning that I work on my skills but within reason. I don't need to become an expert racetrack racer simply because I don't care about racing. I care about surviving the crazy streets of Los Angeles. Which is a very different set of skills. And knowing that the bike still has some extra buffer of performance left in case I need to push thing to get out of trouble gives me peace of mind. Rather than riding the bike to it's limits and when shit hits the fan there is no performance left in me and the bike to get me out of trouble.
Fact, as a medic and from knowing people who have crashed on their bikes, I've learned that those who ride hard, crash hard and crash sooner than later. If you want to push the bike to it's limits, well, the go for it. Bit trust me, you may think that you are pushing the bike or tires to it's limits, and you really aren't. If you were that good you would be racing professionally. Most think they are better than they are. Keep that in mind and respect your bike and it'll keep you safe. There are plenty of good tire and bike reviews done by people who never "pushed" the limits. Those are good common sense reviews of everyday riders like the rest of us. Those are the reviews that count to me more, because ai don't plan to push anything to it's limits.
Those are my 2 cents worth of wisdom.
Looks like you have another 10,000 left if you’re a 90% road rider.
Personally I would not mix brands because you run the risk of incompatibility with so many factors such as height, tread profile shape, compounds and carcass/sidewall construction. It's like throwing dice while manufacturers go to great lengths to design front and rear to compliment each other. I will try michelins on mine. From my 10 years experience in the retail passenger/light truck market(quite some time ago tho) there are tires, then there are michelins, their build quality is head and shoulders above the rest. I can say that my hayabusa, bandit 1200 and bandit 1250 all performed like a different machine on michelins by a long shot compared to bridgestones and pirellis. I've also used metzelers, dunlops and avons on other bikes and was not impressed.
I had Michelin’s on my last bike and loved them.
👍👍👌🙉🙈🙊✌🏍👀
Avon horrible tyres death wish don't get them I've just replaced my anakee adventures great in the wet pretty good off road even on my 160hp enduro 1260
Now question is: for 1150GS: Anakee Adventures or Trailmax Missions?
I have 10 yrs old Anakee 2 and must replace them ASAP...
@@Chris.Mechanic Anakee Adventures for sure they work well for me good mileage out of the rear pretty good on the dirt definitely get those 10 year old Anakee 2 off they have probably gone off and hard with no traction
@@Thomo_qld I was riding not much and they look perfect. However, I think they are hard already...
Tires are like pantyhose
Manufacturers want them to wear out so you have to buy them.