Cult upbringing (with Sam and Melissa)

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024

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  • @Romans08.31
    @Romans08.31 4 месяца назад +13

    It’s so sweet to see Sam’s love and respect for his wife and just holding the mic for her not interrupting or anything

  • @BeingBrittanny
    @BeingBrittanny 5 месяцев назад +29

    Every time you Sam & Melissa are in a room together, the chemistry is through the roof! I could listen to you all talk about cutting the grass. 😅 literally anything. But I’d much rather hear you talk about your upbringing!! Your lives are so parallel and spreading that knowledge into the world to “normies” like me - is always so powerful &. !uplifting! Can’t wait to watch this 20 times ❤ adore u all.

    • @ElsaLoui
      @ElsaLoui 5 месяцев назад

      Agree!!!!!!!!

  • @deecawford
    @deecawford 4 месяца назад +3

    My 3 favorite people together again, love it. Sam was so strong and so passionate in this episode. Melissa truly opened up a lot and helped explain things so well. Thank you Amanda for always being amazing and talking about the tough topics, we need too. These kids and young adults especially need to hear it. They all need to hear it but I feel so strongly for the younger ones

  • @MxPx77
    @MxPx77 5 месяцев назад +17

    “I thought it was going to be something to do with a dump truck” took me out. 😂

    • @TheAmandaRaeGrant
      @TheAmandaRaeGrant  5 месяцев назад +2

      Lmao I know!!! For a second I was like HOW? Lol where did your mind go thinking god was talking about dump trucks in the Bible? 😂

  • @juliapeterson4435
    @juliapeterson4435 5 месяцев назад +13

    I really resonated with Melissa when she talked about taking the church as your identity and needing to check all the boxes. ❤ Thank you for sharing

  • @MaineCoonMama18
    @MaineCoonMama18 5 месяцев назад +20

    My great grandpa had to have my great grandma go ask her mother about sex after they got married. He tried explaining it, but she thought he was a creep. I'm still shocked that her mother didn't bother to at least tell her before she got married. For context: this was in the Bible belt around 1920.

    • @China-Clay
      @China-Clay 5 месяцев назад

      Married in 1979 and my mom said nothing except give him sex whenever he wants,

    • @amlacy9127
      @amlacy9127 11 дней назад +1

      I remember my maternal grandmother telling me that she didn’t know what sex was until she got married (in the late 1960s in Appalachia). She was 15 and my grandfather was 17. She was also extremely frustrated about a year into their marriage because she wasn’t getting pregnant - it turned out that the “medicine” she’d been taking since 12 for heavy periods was birth control and her parents had been taking too embarrassed to tell her what it was.

  • @kenja6569
    @kenja6569 Месяц назад

    I hope you all can learn to be yourself and not worry about who may or may not be offended. Having a glass of wine is not a sin. I know it’s hard when you’re raised in a strict religious upbringing. Love all three of y’all ! 😊

  • @irmastevens3277
    @irmastevens3277 5 месяцев назад +1

    I think you all are amazing and insightful. The fact that you’re so positive, introspective and willing to just search for your own individual truth in a loving way is amazing to me. To not be bitter and angry and take on a “victim” mentality shows your strength and courage and how “good” and “worthy”you all are! Thank you for another honest raw and heartfelt discussion! Love both of your channels! ❤

  • @SherrylPurvis-ig9be
    @SherrylPurvis-ig9be 4 месяца назад +1

    Very good analysis using the roof crushing who you are and meant to be.

  • @montananerd8244
    @montananerd8244 5 месяцев назад +53

    Part of my job is US west historical research, analysis etc. I'm struck by certain elements of western culture that the "Mormonist cults" embody. I think we've discounted both the impact of LDS history on western history, and a subtle thing I'm seeing where modern rural westerners become very entrenched in tradition & give it spiritual value, to a degree that shocks me in 2024. I think there must be more common elements between big picture LDS/Mormon history and the settler colonial experience in general. If I'm right, it's not good and we need to be very vigilant about this extreme behavior creeping further into public/community institutions.

    • @freyast2213
      @freyast2213 5 месяцев назад +2

      You want to be vigilant about this behaviour creeping into institutions? What are you talking about? Mormons settled that area, they created all the institutions & made Utah a place ppl want to live. It’s becoming less Mormon not more, so what ideas do you feel you need to be so vigilant about?

    • @chloecagle6493
      @chloecagle6493 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@freyast2213you’re missing the point fam

    • @HellsFurby
      @HellsFurby 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@freyast2213the entire point of that comment completely flew over your head. The entire point.

    • @HellsFurby
      @HellsFurby 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@chloecagle6493I have never seen someone miss such a well articulated, clear point. Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking uhhh what 🥴

    • @chloecagle6493
      @chloecagle6493 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@HellsFurby reading comprehension isn’t everyone’s strong suit 😅

  • @mynameiseve.1
    @mynameiseve.1 5 месяцев назад +4

    I love hearing the words 'earthly temptations'. We do live on planet earth right?!
    I always thought religiously my background was the wildest eveeer. My mom was a catholic nun, left, married and had children. And then i learned about FLDS, the Order, AUB etc. 😂At that point i realized that i am so randomly "normal" haha.

  • @Cult-Free_Ang
    @Cult-Free_Ang 5 месяцев назад +15

    Warrens thoughts on “fun” is interesting since he believes in Joseph Smith and there are multiple records of him playing games with kids and making time for “fun”.

  • @angelacraw2907
    @angelacraw2907 5 месяцев назад +7

    Another entertaining and insightful video from two great channels. When Melissa spoke about the chains of her past indoctrination making even the smallest decision difficult, it illustrated so well, to me how challenging deconstruction is.

    • @TheAmandaRaeGrant
      @TheAmandaRaeGrant  5 месяцев назад +1

      This also makes so much sense as to why people like Priscilla said the thing she missed most about the order was being told what to do…no stressful decision making because they do it all for you and now you lack that skill and it because so scary

    • @angelacraw2907
      @angelacraw2907 5 месяцев назад

      @@TheAmandaRaeGrant I love the fact that all you guys got through your individual trauma and flurish. All your stories are heartwarming and have helpful wisdom for dealing with all manner of harmful situations. I look forward to more content from you all soon; loved the relationship advice you and Val did too.

  • @kasie680
    @kasie680 5 месяцев назад +2

    Amanda everytime you smile you are so alike with Cammy eskel and Rachel 😮 it’s unbelievable how alike you guys are! 😊

  • @margaretbates6010
    @margaretbates6010 5 месяцев назад

    Melissa, brilliant comment regarding a line. I am Catholic and always wished we were given a list of what we can and cannot do. I am in my mid 60's now with 2 married kids. They made life so hard

  • @MPGRAY84
    @MPGRAY84 5 месяцев назад +1

    I LOVE WATCHING AND HEARING Y’ALL!!! Y’all are able to bring so much out of each other! Thank y’all for letting us be a part of this phenomenal relationship!!

  • @hhansenzak1123
    @hhansenzak1123 5 месяцев назад

    Wonderful episode. Thank you to the 3 of you for sharing so much.

  • @OneidaGC
    @OneidaGC 5 месяцев назад +1

    about the edited explanation... the statement made perfect sense but the explanation was an interesting insight, love listening to your perspective

  • @latishacrawford19
    @latishacrawford19 5 месяцев назад +8

    Wow, I can't hear them when they speak. Amanda you are loud and clear, but the mic they are using isn't turned on. Sorry it was my earbud it was turned down really low. Sorry.....

    • @powderandpaint14
      @powderandpaint14 5 месяцев назад

      I could hear Sam as clearly as Amanda, Melissa was a little less clear sometimes when she wasn't as close to the mic but most of the time she was clear too.

    • @candace9243
      @candace9243 5 месяцев назад

      Mine was doing the same. I only listen with one headphone so I could barely hear amanda at all with one headphone and could barely hear Sam and Melissa with the other. I went into my sound settings and fiddled around and got it to where I could hear both perfect with one headphone. So maybe adjust your sound settings on your device.

    • @itsakittyting
      @itsakittyting 2 месяца назад

      I can't hear Sam and Melissa either

  • @autumn5852
    @autumn5852 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great interview, I really enjoyed it. It’s like therapy for me, so thank you, you help me a lot 💞💓💞

  • @FlowerChild65
    @FlowerChild65 5 месяцев назад

    This is a great interview. You guys brought up 2 helpful things for me. 1) How these ideas can stick around for years even long after you don't believe them anymore. I think it can sometimes be hard when deconstructing. And then 2) The idea of making a list when you were no longer tithing so you could kind of deconstruct the magical thinking that this happened because you tithed. I'm thinking of trying this. Never Mormon, never tithed but I think it's useful idea that you could apply to many beliefs

  • @Sasafrass007
    @Sasafrass007 5 месяцев назад

    love this collaboration!! hope the lights turn green for all three 🎉

  • @ATiredMom
    @ATiredMom 5 месяцев назад +6

    It's hard bc I think it is one thing for a person to feel like their relationship with God is important and to make sure their life is not in contradiction of what they say they believe bc the reality is, if there is a God - then therefore a standard/morality that comes with that--then that would be very important thing to care about.
    I see that as different than someone feeling like they have to do everything perfectly by a very specific set of standards set by a organization, every little tiny detail has to be part of a church or group, doing certain rituals a certain way or means you don't get to heaven, etc- the scrupulosity Melissa was speaking of can be dangerous.

    • @mienafriggstad3360
      @mienafriggstad3360 5 месяцев назад +2

      I completely agree with you. I believe in following God and the Holly Bible. Not a prophet or a church. Even though I attended a church for fellowship and encouragement in my faith. The church we attend is not a high demand church; like I grew up in

    • @ATiredMom
      @ATiredMom 5 месяцев назад

      @@mienafriggstad3360 that's great! Same here

    • @s.a.6082
      @s.a.6082 5 месяцев назад +1

      Very well said. Huge difference between biblical Christianity than these cults. Not saying Christian churches can’t turn into cults, but the New Testament just calls believers to gather for worship and fellowship. Not one man to rule over everyone and tell them how to dress, eat, act, what they can watch, who they can associate with. Not once does the Bible say that’s apart of following Christ!

  • @montananerd8244
    @montananerd8244 5 месяцев назад +6

    It is fascinating what happens in communities as cults die out. The Church Universal & Triumphant used to control the town of Emigrant, MT, and there's still some sort of active group there, but nowdays tourists want to see if they can visit the town, which is very safe but dont trespass - they love their guns - and now there's a fun biker bar there. I can almost guarantee that in 10 yrs it will be overtaken by summer homes & there will be a fancy restaurant there. I guess rich people can gentrify anything lol!

    • @Lindsey_Nash
      @Lindsey_Nash 5 месяцев назад

      Very interesting!! I am a cult fanatic. We just honeymooned in Emigrant in January and I had no idea it used to have a cult presence. I will have to look more into this

    • @Westsideauditor1469
      @Westsideauditor1469 5 месяцев назад

      You mean WHITE rich people!! They gentrified just about everywhere they go!!

  • @justkeepgoing2657
    @justkeepgoing2657 5 месяцев назад +1

    I really love the souls you three are.

  • @tennillepatterson5500
    @tennillepatterson5500 5 месяцев назад +7

    The stone is a big tigers eye. Pretty, but not Magic.

  • @emijcallister
    @emijcallister 5 месяцев назад +3

    For some reason when listening through headphones Amanda your mic only comes through the right earbud and Sam and Melissa’s mic only comes through my left earbud. Just a heads up about the sound!

    • @candace9243
      @candace9243 5 месяцев назад +1

      Mine was doing the same. Except I only listen with one headphone so I could barely hear amanda at all with one headphone and could barely hear Sam and Melissa with the other. I went into my sound settings and fiddled around and got it to where I could hear both perfect with one headphone. So maybe adjust your sound settings on your device.

  • @WindsofChange
    @WindsofChange 5 месяцев назад +3

    The Seer stone looks like rounded off petrified wood.

  • @YallAintRight
    @YallAintRight 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @Chelsea-ph6cs
    @Chelsea-ph6cs 5 месяцев назад

    Love this collaboration. I love both your channels

  • @AZensibleOption
    @AZensibleOption 5 месяцев назад +4

    One of my favorite questions my oldest kid asked when they were 15yo was why were there so many terms for guys that masturbate (like jack off) but not for girls. I didn’t have a great answer so we googled terms for girls & omg just soooo funny. We had such a great time learning those things together. Of course there were times I was not yet comfy about taking to them bc of their age or my own limitations, but that exactly how I’d reply to them - like I need some time to find a way to explain it, but when I do we’ll definitely have that conversation.
    My kids are now 23yo & 21yo, and I’ll say the hardest part about being open to your kids is the things they tell you about their own sex life. But on the flip side, they are very comfortable talking to doctors and communicating with their partners and standing their ground when it comes to boundaries & consent, as well as wanting the same for everyone else.

    • @anthill1510
      @anthill1510 5 месяцев назад +1

      That`s an interesting point, I never thought about that there is few colloquialisms for masturbating for girls/women.
      By the way: I don`t know how exactly you meant that but it`s totally fine to set boundaries how much you want to hear about your childrens sex lives. In fact it`s normal and healthy to have boundaries there and it`s also fine to have the boundary that you wanna hear nothing about it, they can talk to their friends about that. That`s not shaming them, that`s just normal boundaries.

  • @Todd181
    @Todd181 5 месяцев назад +5

    Interesting audio; Sam and Melissa on the left channel. Amanda on the right

    • @candace9243
      @candace9243 5 месяцев назад +1

      Mine was doing the same. Except I only listen with one headphone so I could barely hear amanda at all with one headphone and could barely hear Sam and Melissa with the other. I went into my sound settings and fiddled around and got it to where I could hear both perfect with one headphone. So maybe adjust your sound settings on your device.

  • @DDycey
    @DDycey 4 месяца назад

    So so sweet to see the husband holding that mic for his wife from start to finish. What a gentlemen ❤ they still exist

  • @EllieThor
    @EllieThor 5 месяцев назад +3

    We stayed in hurricane for our honeymoon in 22 and tbh I was SHOCKED by how welcomed we were esp as a queer couple. Most bakeries wanted us to put a pin on their map from where we came from, there was a dinosour metal sculpture shop and a queer shaved ice place. It was a lot of fun seeing and NOTHING like I expected

  • @Westsideauditor1469
    @Westsideauditor1469 5 месяцев назад +2

    I'm so glad I found your content, i used to LOVE watching you on Escaping Polygamy!! I found your channel after watching a "Where are they now" about everyone on the show, and they mentioned you had a RUclips channel and I just HAD to come find you!!
    I freaking LOVE you and everything about you!! I love your passion, I love how you get so annoyed with these people, I love that you call them out on their BS and it totally helps watching you when you're absolutely gorgeous!! ❤❤😁😁. I wish they'd bring the show back, i totally miss watching you guys, I know I'd watch if they brought it back and I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one!!
    From what I read, I heard part of the reason why they took it off the air was because of multiple trespassing lawsuits brought on against you girls and the network, is that true??? I find that very hard to believe when every house you guys went to, someone from the house invited you there!! So how could anyone bring a trespassing lawsuit against you or the network? It makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyways, keep up the great work, love your content, you've got another new subscriber as long as you're creating content!!

  • @UpBeatCpr
    @UpBeatCpr 5 месяцев назад

    Love this interview! Great work

  • @teamcougars
    @teamcougars 3 месяца назад

    When absolutely everything having to do with avoiding sex and the human body is forbidden to be talked about it just increases the curiosity and setting the followers for abuses and to carry the abuse onto following generations such an injustice for men, women and children 😭😢💔

  • @j4513
    @j4513 4 месяца назад

    24:30 Wow, that is so similar to the “narcissist’s prayer“ if you have heard of that before!

  • @ATiredMom
    @ATiredMom 5 месяцев назад

    Great video! I love when yall collab together!

  • @flutterbybird13
    @flutterbybird13 3 дня назад

    🦋🦋🦋

  • @4363HASHMI
    @4363HASHMI 5 месяцев назад +1

    Forgive and forget but consequences are an requirement to maintain an civil society

  • @China-Clay
    @China-Clay 5 месяцев назад

    Melissa’s need to be 110% was a typical need for some of us that wanted to be “all in”

  • @anthill1510
    @anthill1510 5 месяцев назад +1

    There not being an exact line on what is allowed concerning kissing and making out is on purpose. The church relies on binding their members to them by shame. What the church sells is your salvation from being a sinner, so they have to make sure you are a sinner. Making the lines blurry keeps you in a constant state of feeling guilt and shame because maybe you went too far?!?, so you need the church to repent and god to forgive you for being a sinner.

  • @amandapennies
    @amandapennies 5 месяцев назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @meganritz
    @meganritz 5 месяцев назад

    Whenever I hear about adults who don't even know the proper names for their body parts my brain hurts. My sisters and I were really good at science, so our parents made sure we knew about anatomy. We were always in the library getting science books way above our grade level. I don't remember having "the talk," because we were reading science books with the proper names for all body parts and their functions. It was always about the science, and not until we were 11 or 12 when mom made sure we knew how this scientific information tied with the feelings of teenage hormones.

  • @AZensibleOption
    @AZensibleOption 5 месяцев назад

    Kody & Janelle were both born into the mainstream LDS (Kody even went on a mission).

  • @mybirdsofparadise
    @mybirdsofparadise 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great content, but sadly never ending editing/ audio issues :-( This channel is long enough on RUclips to figure these things out.

  • @Grace.allovertheplace
    @Grace.allovertheplace 5 месяцев назад +2

  • @everettecoleman4400
    @everettecoleman4400 5 месяцев назад +2

    Big fan Love You 😘

  • @kbaby5397
    @kbaby5397 5 месяцев назад

    Loved this

  • @rin-eri
    @rin-eri 5 месяцев назад

    I remember watching the god squad in Escaping Polygamy and being so scared for you. I’m really glad the town has changed.
    Did you know Sam is an ex god squad member? Or at least, he drove his truck around to scare people a little. He didn’t seem to have the perception of god squad being militant like how the show portrayed it.

  • @mitzimendiola4319
    @mitzimendiola4319 5 месяцев назад

    Does The Order own Lee's Marketplace in SL, UT? Does anyone know?

  • @deborahb1950
    @deborahb1950 4 месяца назад

    20:22

  • @seameology
    @seameology 5 месяцев назад +1

    Your edit at the end wasn't needed. I thought your observation was astute and makes people think. Nevertheless, yes, you said what we immediately comes to mind with that statement.
    That is ALSO the problem with the IBLP Duggar cult!

  • @FeloniousAngel
    @FeloniousAngel 5 месяцев назад

    🥰

  • @lenabruto2860
    @lenabruto2860 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hej Folks, I rea 2:59 lly like Amanda..Itd really.Intresring to listen and learn all about the crayness thet polygami means in Western world...I have a god 🎉 friend in Indonesien Who had 4 wives.( 2vis dead) He builds houses to all wives, and provade for him..He has 14 kids and 50 gtandchildren.. a cuple of kids from wife 1 lives next to papi...He gets angry on peole getting a 2nd wife and and he doesnt take care for wife 1..My friend take care of those children. All children now lives with him.. If you not rich peple dont take xtra wifes..

  • @shifuimam
    @shifuimam 2 месяца назад

    I was raised Evangelical Chrisitan, in a very insular bubble that seemed a lot more normal than those weird culty Mormons. Except my sex ed was as repressed and pro-ignorance as yours. My parents never told me anything about anatomy, sexuality, sex, etc. I think my mother thought I would just be a spinster if she never told me about sex.

  • @St.OlGa.
    @St.OlGa. 5 месяцев назад

    That was an excellent video, so insightful! Im at a stage where my partner and I, are considering having children and I wonder how id explain the concept of religion to them when we are athiest ex cult members 😅 i dont want to keep them ignorant from the concepts, or immerse them in specific dogma either, but how to do that when neither of us think its real...mindblowing

    • @powderandpaint14
      @powderandpaint14 5 месяцев назад

      Just explain things like "the bible says" this or "some people believe" this. Then they get the idea that people believe in different things.

  • @WarrenUCrane
    @WarrenUCrane 5 месяцев назад

    passed through "hurrikin" once and was appalled that they didn't pronounce it hurricane lol

    • @seameology
      @seameology 5 месяцев назад

      Hurricane West Virginia is also pronounced Hurrikin.

  • @mommav0107
    @mommav0107 5 месяцев назад

    Using god or religion to justify hurting people is so gross. What’s the answer? How does a nobody like me help?

  • @summerlake356
    @summerlake356 5 месяцев назад

    Modesty is not a bad idea though. Dressing modestly like LDS can save you a lot of trouble in life.