John, both Ant-Man and the Wasp AND Captain Marvel came out between Infinity War and Endgame, and neither (with the exception of post credits scenes) had much to do with the plot of those Avengers movies. That said, I know there have been many unconfirmed rumors that Sony wants this to be a multiverse movie featuring other Spider-men again. This would seem to go along well with that. I hope it's wrong. We've come so far and Peter Parker is on his own. I want so much to see him just be his own man, no multiverse, no Avengers.
Idea, spider man 4 is a great ground level spider man story while all the other heroes are off on a “secret mission” but at the end of the film, he looks above New York and a portal opening showing the incursion happening in real time, perfect lead in for secret wars
As long as they're sprinkling mutants into the mix and we're dealing with a college age Peter, a "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" scenario for the next Spidey flick would make me squeal. 🙂
The ideal situation for this film is that it ends up like Ant-Man and the Wasp; a small-scale standalone movie released between Avengers films, but only related to either of them tangentially.
If Spider-Man 4 takes place before Doomsday, then I REALLY hope it’s a street-level movie where Spidey (hopefully) teams up with Daredevil to fight Kingpin who becomes Mayor of New York, and makes vigilantism illegal and hunts him and Daredevil down. This is my preferable Spider-Man 4 (in the MCU) because Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is finally on his own with no fancy gadgets or technological suit (for the time being). A lot of people (including me) wanna see a street-level Spider-Man before another multiversal crossover, especially since Tom Holland’s Spider-Man hasn’t really gotten that yet.🕷️🕸️🌎🌍🌏. If it’s between Doomsday and Secret Wars, I REALLY hope that’s how Spidey gets the symbiote and his black suit (just like in the Secret Wars comics). Hell, he’ll probably need the strength and power of the symbiote to take on Doom during Secret Wars (just like he needed the Iron Spider suit in Infinity War and Endgame). And I hope he meets again with Tobey and Andrew since the multiverse is imploding in on itself, so it’d make sense for them to meet again and this time save the entire multiverse from Doom. I don’t think you’d need an entire Spider-Man movie to do this, This could be done in the actual Avengers: Doomsday or Secret Wars movies themselves too, but I trust Feige and the Russo Brothers to do something great now that Feige has his authority back💪🏽🙌🏼
The last time we saw Tom Holland’s Spider-Man he was just starting his adult life in New York, completely alone and forgotten. If they do this, I don’t think we’ll see Spider-Man on Doomsday. All I want for now is to see how Peter is doing after the events of no way home. Then we can start thinking about is role on the bigger MCU story.
I just hope we get MCU Spiderman joining with the symbiote by the end of Secret Wars. So we can get a MCU Venom with Tom Hardy variant Brock in Spiderman 5? Green goblin in Spiderman 6. Meanwhile on the Sony side all the Spiderman and Venom are recruited by Madame Web to stop the sinister six in the Andrew Garfield Venom Sony spiderverse?
yeah and they revealed his identity in the previous movie and the following film wrapped that whole plotline up in the first 5 minutes with a wave of the hand, so. wouldnt be suprised if they completely gloss over it.
I agree with Jonathan. Releasing SM 4 between Doomsday & Secret Wars doesn't mean it has to take place between those movies. It could easily be an 'Ant-Man & The Wasp' scenario, where the film takes place before Doomsday and gives us additional context for stuff Spider-Man was doing before Doomsday. Heck, Spider-Man himself could even be absent from Doomsday until a dramatic appearance right at the end where he says something like "Something's coming" or "I need your help" or "It's a long story." Ant-Man was absent from Infinity War. Then Ant-Man & The Wasp put Ant-Man in a position to save the day in Endgame. Then Ant-Man returned in Endgame. It could literally be that but with Spider-Man. In fact, since no one remembers Peter, he could start off working on his own, and Spider-Man 4 could include events from Doomsday but from Peter's point of view, trying to help out behind the scenes (but that's doubtful).
One thing bothered me about Antman 2, the events of infinity war werent even aknowledged or adressed which is weird because aliens came to new york again.
@@tonileo9849 Well no, Ant-Man 2 takes place just before Infinity War. All of the movie before the end credits scene is before the aliens attack New York. It's true that the aliens weren't acknowledged in the credits scene either, but that was only a few minutes out of the day. They easily might have talked about it earlier, and they had other things on their minds (the film also takes place in San Francisco, away from the commotion anyway).
@@under_score3829 got it, just seemed weird that they didnt mention anything in the post credits, even a throwaway line like in the first Antman when Hank mentions Sokovia falling from the sky.
I don’t want to see Spider-Man with any other heroes. Sure, have a cameo or two. Maybe a scene where he’s patrolling at night and comes across daredevil and they share a heart to heart moment. However, give me Spider-Man more focused on his intellect and overall genius, we haven’t fully gotten that from this Spider-Man just yet
That "pipe of possibilities" wasn't a good look for you. As to Spider-man, I genuinely hope the story doesn't lose the direction the third Spider-man pointed at, which is a little more grounded.
Delay Doomsday and Secret Wars to May 2027 and May 2028. Marvel has like at least 5 films after 2025 that they haven’t announced yet, and 2028 will mark the celebration of 20 years of the MCU. I think the smart move would be have Spider-Man 4 be grounded and released in summer 2026, and have Spider-Man 5 be a multiverse story that takes place on battle world and gave it be released between Doomsday and Secret Wars in summer 2027. And maybe have one other marvel film come out in fall of the year. And leave 2028 for one film, Avengers Secret Wars. That’s how I would want it, but honestly I see how this makes sense. Spider-Man 4 was initially supposed to be grounded and Daredevil was gonna be in it and they were gonna go after Kingpin, but the Daredevil Born Again show had to be redone, cause no one liked how it was going, so it was getting reworked. And Marvel said they want to save the Spider-Man and Kingpin stuff after Secret Wars. So the story marvel wanted to do they won’t be able to do till at least Spider-Man 5. I think Sony wants this cause they wanna have a crossover, and they wanna bring back Tobey and Andrew. And also for Beyond The Spider-Verse I think will be a missed opportunity if all 3 or at least one of the live action Spider-Men was in the film, not as a cameo, but had an actual role and voice/voices in the film. So Spider-Man 4 could possibly lead into Beyond The Spider-Verse before it leads into Secret Wars. And after Secret when all the multiverse BS is over with. We can finally go back to a grounded street level Spider-Man movie that can last for 2 films before Tom Holland decides to be done and moves on in his life to do other things.
Spiderman 4 needs to come out a lot sooner. Marvel could use the goodwill from a new Tom Holland Spiderman movie to build momentum for _Avengers Doomsday._
Avengers leave off with a cliffhanger Spider-Man gon make a shit load of money. So, of course, Sony wants the movie to be a part of the Multiverse Saga.
During Spider Man No way home I was very eager to see Daredevil in it, that wish was fulfilled way better. Now my next Wish, is Mr Stark , you came back, you are alive, remember we won Dr Doom: Boooom you are looking for this 😂
John continually says, "there's so many rich storytelling opportunities bringing RDJ back" but then never states a single interesting idea that could be utilized because of it oh wow "the hero of the world is now the bad guy and how does x react!?" like- we haven't seen that a billion times with Superman? Or seen evil Ironman in the comics? Or evil Reed Richards? Like it's not a new or interesting concept if you're idea of interesting is "how will X react?!" then it's not interesting it's elementary there's nothing that interesting about Spider-Man's biggest inspiration which NO one was keen on to begin with coming back, but now as evil. It's so reductive maybe if we hadn't spent 2 damn movies already watching him try to be his own man and get out from his mentor's shadow it would be interesting, but now it's just regressing all that character and making his story ONCE AGAIN about Stark or ONCE AGAIN tying into Stark somehow. Like- great now Peter's villain just IS a version of Stark which we know he likely is because why else bring RDJ back? Also regardless of WHEN the movie takes place it doesn't make that decision magically more interesting because it can only tie into Peter in one way, "wow your mentor is now the bad guy" like- that's not interesting the idea was already even touched on in FFH with Mysterio, and again we FINALLY got Peter to a place where he's independent where he's starting to finally feel like Peter Parker Spider-Man or some semblance of the character beyond the cursorily. Like- legitimately I want to see John actually explain something about this that's actually "rich" in protentional, because all he says is, "how is Peter going to react?" We KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT! Touched on it with Mysterio, touched on it with Osborn. It's not interesting it's so goddamn basic dude, it's the most generic baby's first heel turn character idea you could come up with. I get it ties into the ideas of the multiverse, but that doesn't make it inherently good it just makes it obvious and basic. Why build Doom up like Thanos when you can just make him in some sort of way Stark? Again- I don't see where this concept is all that interesting. What's the take away for Pete? How does it force him to grow? How does it actually forward his story? What- "our idols are imperfect"? Cool FFH already talked about that with a conversation between Happy and Peter. That even heroes are one choice away from being villains? Cool NWH touched on that too arguably more effectively by Peter 3 talking about how he started down a dark path whole point of that story was illustrating how one thing can turn a good person bad. Sorry to rant, but again how does this decision forward Peter's story in a meaningful way? How does he grow?
If this is true about the movie plot they should get a director who's made a iconic movie about apocalypse maybe fury road director he said years ago he loves Spider-Man
Spiderman 4, taking place between both Avengers movies, could usher in the new Avengers team lineup. Think about this. Marvel has been lining up Spiderman for years. Also, in the 90s cartoon Spiderman: The Animated Series rendition of Secret Wars. He was one if not the leader of the superhero team put together by the Beyonder to face the villains.
I really don't like the idea cause as people have said Tom's Peter reacting is going to push him back to who he was before. Then again if Spider-Man 4 is on Battleworld you can finally clean up the mess with the Sony movies and have him fight Venom, Morbius, Vulture, Kraven, and the others.
I’m gonna guess that this movie takes place about a day or 2 before the events of Doomsday, I think Peter is gonna be going on his own solo adventure for most of it and during the epilogue of the movie we the events of Doomsday start to unfold through the eyes of Peter, and it’s all gonna end with Peter suiting up to go and assist the Avengers
If this is true and let's say it comes out after Avengers Secret Wars than Spider-Man 4 will probably be similar to Spider-Man No Way Home. Since in that movie Peter Parker had to deal with Tony Stark's death. But only this time Peter is dealing with Tony Stark being a villain and the aftermath of Avengers Secret Wars. I think the best thing for Spider-man 4 would be to have it come out before Avengers Doomsday. That would be the best because nothing would affect the movie.
I’m not sure if it’s happening to anybody else, but I will get notification when John uploads a video but I don’t get notification when someone replies to a comment I made all my notifications are turned on i’m not sure if this is happening to anybody else.
ant man 2 and capt marvel came out between infinity war and endgame and had absolutely zero to do with either. fans dont want another multiversal spiderman movie. give us grounded.
@@monicadelgado5296 ya, Sony saw that NWH made 1.9 billion dollars and by bringing the other 2 Spider-Men back, I think they’re gonna see if the 4th one will cross the 2 billion dollar mark
Doom kicking spidey's ass, and spidey, both beaten down emotionally and physically, seeks out more power and we get symbiote holland. That would be a cool possibility
I’m in the minority here, but I kind of just want a normal Spider-Man movie where he fights scorpion. If the way they connect him is he’s a kingpin hire that’s fine with me, I don’t necessarily need to see Spiderman and daredevil team up against kingpin. I’d like to see him face scorpion 🤷
Scorpion should show up like u said. I wasthinking ain't tombstone bu scorpion has-been seen. Kingpin should be in the plot an daredevil may be need to be in a after credit scene
@Mr.JakeSkywalker oh dude totally agree about shocker! I’d like him in an accurate costume too with the mask and yellow pads. I read some rumor somewhere that the MCU versions of the villains watched everything that happened in the final battle and got “inspiration”… which honestly I think they should go down that road and give Tom his versions of those villains, but give me scorpion first, I never thought it it being an Otto tentacle!!!
With marvel stating that this victor von doom is not a varient of Tony stark, then the only way for that to be true and Robert Downey jr playing both characters, then in the universe where the fantastic 4 come from Howard stark instead of having one son and calling him Tony, he had TWINS. Additionally to address there different names, Howard stark and his wife died when they are babies. And they were split up. Tony how ever also would have died early leaving victor with no knowledge that he had a twin. Until he leaves his universe and finds out the truth. That in every other universe no twins existed and only Tony exist with no victor vin doom ever materializing.
Sony won over Marvel in making Spiderman 4 a multiverse movie. Isn't ironic that MCU have been botching up multiverse and the one time they try to be grounded, finally doing it right, Sony pulls them back to multiverse.
It’s because the Daredevil Born Again series was reworked, and they wanna save the Daredevil and Spider-Man team up film against Kingpin after Secret Wars
This idea that Rdj is just going to look and act like Tony Stark but be Doom is beyond stupid!! I would want to believe that Marvel has a more interesting idea than that.
You have no idea what they are gonna do with his character lmao . Ur literally just talking just to talk . They are gonna destroy his face and have him wear a mask have him with a different accent . You sound silly
This is great news . Y’all are so corny . I wanna see spiderman under the biggest scope on the biggest stage . That’s my hero . We’ve all seen street level spidey stuff . Time for big stuff . Kevin says it will be a grounded story taking place on another planet
@Mr.JakeSkywalker No Way Home? The movie whose implications I literally mentioned in my first comment? Nope, never heard if it. More like Spider-Man: No Way Watch
Boo no one wants Tom back let him get his teenager years behind him first ...what this one's set in college...bring Garfield in their and have a NYC we swinging adventure...without Iron Man...uh see Uncharted even Wahberg can't make him a action star
It has to be mentioned that if not mistaken here, Feige himself said any movie coming between Doomsday and Secret Wars that’s NOT a prequel will be set on Battleworld or the MCU’s version of that.
Calling the tom holland spiderman trilogy “wonderful “ is a far step. It was ok at best. Campea as always hyping his shit up Take their nutz out your mouth campea 😂😂😂
John, both Ant-Man and the Wasp AND Captain Marvel came out between Infinity War and Endgame, and neither (with the exception of post credits scenes) had much to do with the plot of those Avengers movies.
That said, I know there have been many unconfirmed rumors that Sony wants this to be a multiverse movie featuring other Spider-men again. This would seem to go along well with that. I hope it's wrong. We've come so far and Peter Parker is on his own. I want so much to see him just be his own man, no multiverse, no Avengers.
Idea, spider man 4 is a great ground level spider man story while all the other heroes are off on a “secret mission” but at the end of the film, he looks above New York and a portal opening showing the incursion happening in real time, perfect lead in for secret wars
What about the post credit scene?
I like this idea
The ending of The marvels would be the same day. just hours before
The only thing I want for a MCU Spider-Man 4, is for him to team up with Daredevil and fight Kingpin. Is that too much to ask?
Boring! I wanna spiderman and deadpool teaming up
Spiderman and daredevil and punisher and black cat vs king pin and maybe even Jessica Jones helps that would be dope !!!
For Sony? Yes. For Marvel, no
They said they don’t wanna do that till after Secret Wars
@@danielbrown6742 But why? Especially after No Way Home was setting up Spider-Man to be more grounded.
As long as they're sprinkling mutants into the mix and we're dealing with a college age Peter, a "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" scenario for the next Spidey flick would make me squeal. 🙂
Dude, count me in! 💯🍾🙌
I hate the rumor this movie is a multiverse story, really hope this is false
It isn’t
The ideal situation for this film is that it ends up like Ant-Man and the Wasp; a small-scale standalone movie released between Avengers films, but only related to either of them tangentially.
That ain’t gonna happen. Sony is doing it on purpose. They want their crossover and they wanna bring back Tobey and Andrew
If Spider-Man 4 takes place before Doomsday, then I REALLY hope it’s a street-level movie where Spidey (hopefully) teams up with Daredevil to fight Kingpin who becomes Mayor of New York, and makes vigilantism illegal and hunts him and Daredevil down. This is my preferable Spider-Man 4 (in the MCU) because Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is finally on his own with no fancy gadgets or technological suit (for the time being). A lot of people (including me) wanna see a street-level Spider-Man before another multiversal crossover, especially since Tom Holland’s Spider-Man hasn’t really gotten that yet.🕷️🕸️🌎🌍🌏.
If it’s between Doomsday and Secret Wars, I REALLY hope that’s how Spidey gets the symbiote and his black suit (just like in the Secret Wars comics). Hell, he’ll probably need the strength and power of the symbiote to take on Doom during Secret Wars (just like he needed the Iron Spider suit in Infinity War and Endgame). And I hope he meets again with Tobey and Andrew since the multiverse is imploding in on itself, so it’d make sense for them to meet again and this time save the entire multiverse from Doom. I don’t think you’d need an entire Spider-Man movie to do this, This could be done in the actual Avengers: Doomsday or Secret Wars movies themselves too, but I trust Feige and the Russo Brothers to do something great now that Feige has his authority back💪🏽🙌🏼
The last time we saw Tom Holland’s Spider-Man he was just starting his adult life in New York, completely alone and forgotten. If they do this, I don’t think we’ll see Spider-Man on Doomsday. All I want for now is to see how Peter is doing after the events of no way home. Then we can start thinking about is role on the bigger MCU story.
I really hope Spider-Man 4 is a prequel to Avengers Doomsday
Is anyone else concerned with the fact that John has had a constant cough for over a year now?? 🤔 I hope he is ok
I just hope we get MCU Spiderman joining with the symbiote by the end of Secret Wars. So we can get a MCU Venom with Tom Hardy variant Brock in Spiderman 5? Green goblin in Spiderman 6. Meanwhile on the Sony side all the Spiderman and Venom are recruited by Madame Web to stop the sinister six in the Andrew Garfield Venom Sony spiderverse?
Tom Hardy venom is horrible and has killed the idea of venom in mcu. They need to have their own venom.
@@JonytobiUchihasequel anyways
So Spider-Man 4 may hit theaters 2026
Yes
Hope it has a happier ending than the last one.
Iron Man being a variant of Doom is a super dope and intriguing concept
I love Tom as SpiderMan
Spiderman 4: Home Alone
And daredevil shows up in a after credit scene
@@CourtTV. and it's Ben Affleck
Let's not forget on top of that doctor strange made everyone forget he ever existed that's gotta be a big plot point
yeah and they revealed his identity in the previous movie and the following film wrapped that whole plotline up in the first 5 minutes with a wave of the hand, so. wouldnt be suprised if they completely gloss over it.
I agree with Jonathan. Releasing SM 4 between Doomsday & Secret Wars doesn't mean it has to take place between those movies. It could easily be an 'Ant-Man & The Wasp' scenario, where the film takes place before Doomsday and gives us additional context for stuff Spider-Man was doing before Doomsday. Heck, Spider-Man himself could even be absent from Doomsday until a dramatic appearance right at the end where he says something like "Something's coming" or "I need your help" or "It's a long story."
Ant-Man was absent from Infinity War.
Then Ant-Man & The Wasp put Ant-Man in a position to save the day in Endgame.
Then Ant-Man returned in Endgame.
It could literally be that but with Spider-Man.
In fact, since no one remembers Peter, he could start off working on his own, and Spider-Man 4 could include events from Doomsday but from Peter's point of view, trying to help out behind the scenes (but that's doubtful).
That's true
One thing bothered me about Antman 2, the events of infinity war werent even aknowledged or adressed which is weird because aliens came to new york again.
@@tonileo9849 Well no, Ant-Man 2 takes place just before Infinity War. All of the movie before the end credits scene is before the aliens attack New York.
It's true that the aliens weren't acknowledged in the credits scene either, but that was only a few minutes out of the day. They easily might have talked about it earlier, and they had other things on their minds (the film also takes place in San Francisco, away from the commotion anyway).
@@under_score3829 got it, just seemed weird that they didnt mention anything in the post credits, even a throwaway line like in the first Antman when Hank mentions Sokovia falling from the sky.
Well even more obviously... he should be getting the black suit
I don’t want to see Spider-Man with any other heroes. Sure, have a cameo or two. Maybe a scene where he’s patrolling at night and comes across daredevil and they share a heart to heart moment. However, give me Spider-Man more focused on his intellect and overall genius, we haven’t fully gotten that from this Spider-Man just yet
This right here!
We did get that but it was little snippets
It’s going to connect next Sony and Marvel properties for Secret Wars. Shooting for 10Billion earnings.
That "pipe of possibilities" wasn't a good look for you. As to Spider-man, I genuinely hope the story doesn't lose the direction the third Spider-man pointed at, which is a little more grounded.
On one hand, sure. But on the other hand, RDJ coming back and it affecting Spiderman 4 could be equally, if not more exciting
John Campea, I'm addicted to your videos keep them flowing
Why does everyone keep saying they want a street level spider man ??
Because that is Spiderman’s roots and when he tends to be at his best in terms of character.
@@emoney6692 Isn’t he already street level I don’t understand what’s the difference ?
@@chrisperez7710 They mean they're tired of the multiverse.
@@MrKilljay you guys will get a street level SipderMan when you fix his DAMM DOOR
Peter getting black suite spider man 4
secret wars
he’ll most likely get it in SW and then deal with it/removing it/mcu eddie brock back in new york in spiderman 5
He'll most likely get it in Secret Wars
Delay Doomsday and Secret Wars to May 2027 and May 2028. Marvel has like at least 5 films after 2025 that they haven’t announced yet, and 2028 will mark the celebration of 20 years of the MCU. I think the smart move would be have Spider-Man 4 be grounded and released in summer 2026, and have Spider-Man 5 be a multiverse story that takes place on battle world and gave it be released between Doomsday and Secret Wars in summer 2027. And maybe have one other marvel film come out in fall of the year. And leave 2028 for one film, Avengers Secret Wars. That’s how I would want it, but honestly I see how this makes sense. Spider-Man 4 was initially supposed to be grounded and Daredevil was gonna be in it and they were gonna go after Kingpin, but the Daredevil Born Again show had to be redone, cause no one liked how it was going, so it was getting reworked. And Marvel said they want to save the Spider-Man and Kingpin stuff after Secret Wars. So the story marvel wanted to do they won’t be able to do till at least Spider-Man 5. I think Sony wants this cause they wanna have a crossover, and they wanna bring back Tobey and Andrew. And also for Beyond The Spider-Verse I think will be a missed opportunity if all 3 or at least one of the live action Spider-Men was in the film, not as a cameo, but had an actual role and voice/voices in the film. So Spider-Man 4 could possibly lead into Beyond The Spider-Verse before it leads into Secret Wars. And after Secret when all the multiverse BS is over with. We can finally go back to a grounded street level Spider-Man movie that can last for 2 films before Tom Holland decides to be done and moves on in his life to do other things.
Spiderman 4 needs to come out a lot sooner. Marvel could use the goodwill from a new Tom Holland Spiderman movie to build momentum for _Avengers Doomsday._
Avengers leave off with a cliffhanger Spider-Man gon make a shit load of money. So, of course, Sony wants the movie to be a part of the Multiverse Saga.
During Spider Man No way home I was very eager to see Daredevil in it, that wish was fulfilled way better.
Now my next Wish, is Mr Stark , you came back, you are alive, remember we won
Dr Doom: Boooom you are looking for this 😂
Dan Poole, star of fan film The Green Goblin’s Last Stand, should appear in a Spiderman movie with the other Spidermen.
Oh..... Hes doing Skeleton Crew huh? Hmmmm i might have to give that show a chance now
John continually says, "there's so many rich storytelling opportunities bringing RDJ back" but then never states a single interesting idea that could be utilized because of it oh wow "the hero of the world is now the bad guy and how does x react!?" like- we haven't seen that a billion times with Superman? Or seen evil Ironman in the comics? Or evil Reed Richards? Like it's not a new or interesting concept if you're idea of interesting is "how will X react?!" then it's not interesting it's elementary there's nothing that interesting about Spider-Man's biggest inspiration which NO one was keen on to begin with coming back, but now as evil. It's so reductive maybe if we hadn't spent 2 damn movies already watching him try to be his own man and get out from his mentor's shadow it would be interesting, but now it's just regressing all that character and making his story ONCE AGAIN about Stark or ONCE AGAIN tying into Stark somehow. Like- great now Peter's villain just IS a version of Stark which we know he likely is because why else bring RDJ back? Also regardless of WHEN the movie takes place it doesn't make that decision magically more interesting because it can only tie into Peter in one way, "wow your mentor is now the bad guy" like- that's not interesting the idea was already even touched on in FFH with Mysterio, and again we FINALLY got Peter to a place where he's independent where he's starting to finally feel like Peter Parker Spider-Man or some semblance of the character beyond the cursorily. Like- legitimately I want to see John actually explain something about this that's actually "rich" in protentional, because all he says is, "how is Peter going to react?" We KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT! Touched on it with Mysterio, touched on it with Osborn. It's not interesting it's so goddamn basic dude, it's the most generic baby's first heel turn character idea you could come up with. I get it ties into the ideas of the multiverse, but that doesn't make it inherently good it just makes it obvious and basic. Why build Doom up like Thanos when you can just make him in some sort of way Stark? Again- I don't see where this concept is all that interesting. What's the take away for Pete? How does it force him to grow? How does it actually forward his story? What- "our idols are imperfect"? Cool FFH already talked about that with a conversation between Happy and Peter. That even heroes are one choice away from being villains? Cool NWH touched on that too arguably more effectively by Peter 3 talking about how he started down a dark path whole point of that story was illustrating how one thing can turn a good person bad. Sorry to rant, but again how does this decision forward Peter's story in a meaningful way? How does he grow?
The real question is who's directing as well?
Me
@@kanyewestlicker6300 ya uh huh 😂 right!!!!!
If this is true about the movie plot they should get a director who's made a iconic movie about apocalypse maybe fury road director he said years ago he loves Spider-Man
Spiderman 4, taking place between both Avengers movies, could usher in the new Avengers team lineup. Think about this. Marvel has been lining up Spiderman for years. Also, in the 90s cartoon Spiderman: The Animated Series rendition of Secret Wars. He was one if not the leader of the superhero team put together by the Beyonder to face the villains.
I really don't like the idea cause as people have said Tom's Peter reacting is going to push him back to who he was before. Then again if Spider-Man 4 is on Battleworld you can finally clean up the mess with the Sony movies and have him fight Venom, Morbius, Vulture, Kraven, and the others.
I don’t believe anything till theirs some real strong source saying what’s going on with spider man 4.
Imagine Doctor Doom kills Happy Hogan in front of Spiderman... 😨
Hire me Disney
Imagine!
Same pitch from every other fan boy
Oof that would be a gut punch. But I could see it. I've never heard any other fanboy pitch this lol
Nah that wouldn’t hit hard enough for me
Remember when you had to watch every single MCU movie because they all tied together.
I’m gonna guess that this movie takes place about a day or 2 before the events of Doomsday, I think Peter is gonna be going on his own solo adventure for most of it and during the epilogue of the movie we the events of Doomsday start to unfold through the eyes of Peter, and it’s all gonna end with Peter suiting up to go and assist the Avengers
unfortunately this is where we get the sony verse crossover
Could be an Antman and the Wasp situation? Something to think about.
If this is true and let's say it comes out after Avengers Secret Wars than Spider-Man 4 will probably be similar to Spider-Man No Way Home. Since in that movie Peter Parker had to deal with Tony Stark's death. But only this time Peter is dealing with Tony Stark being a villain and the aftermath of Avengers Secret Wars. I think the best thing for Spider-man 4 would be to have it come out before Avengers Doomsday. That would be the best because nothing would affect the movie.
I’m not sure if it’s happening to anybody else, but I will get notification when John uploads a video but I don’t get notification when someone replies to a comment I made all my notifications are turned on i’m not sure if this is happening to anybody else.
Its happened to me too.
ant man 2 and capt marvel came out between infinity war and endgame and had absolutely zero to do with either. fans dont want another multiversal spiderman movie. give us grounded.
Not entirely true. Both those movies were used to set up story elements in endgame. That was their only purpose.
Never clicked on a video so quick before lol
Didn’t captain marvel also come out after infinity war?
But that was a prequel movie
Maybe its a prequel
It’s not gonna be a prequel. Sony wants to do their crossover, and bring back Tobey and Andrew
@@danielbrown6742 that's also what I am hearing.
@@monicadelgado5296 which part
@@danielbrown6742 Sony bringing back Tobey and Andrew.
@@monicadelgado5296 ya, Sony saw that NWH made 1.9 billion dollars and by bringing the other 2 Spider-Men back, I think they’re gonna see if the 4th one will cross the 2 billion dollar mark
What if they made doom the villain of the a spider man movie and Tony kills Peter 😮
No, what if Doom kills MJ right in in front of Peter
NO!
@@danielbrown6742 I was just thinking that!
Maybe spiderman is going to get the X-men 🙏
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Doomsday might not take place in the 616, it most likely won’t, making this discussion not relevant
Does Sony now have to shell out a buttload of money to RDJ, too?
Cru Jones 🤘🏼
Venom in hawaiiiiiii? Anyone?
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This feels like the movie equivalent of when a book you like is forced into a crossover event and it detours what’s currently happening in the book.
Ronnie Chang!
Spiderman vs sony's sinister 6 on battle world 😅😭🤦🏽♂️
Doom kicking spidey's ass, and spidey, both beaten down emotionally and physically, seeks out more power and we get symbiote holland. That would be a cool possibility
I’m in the minority here, but I kind of just want a normal Spider-Man movie where he fights scorpion. If the way they connect him is he’s a kingpin hire that’s fine with me, I don’t necessarily need to see Spiderman and daredevil team up against kingpin. I’d like to see him face scorpion 🤷
Scorpion should show up like u said. I wasthinking ain't tombstone bu scorpion has-been seen. Kingpin should be in the plot an daredevil may be need to be in a after credit scene
@Mr.JakeSkywalker oh dude totally agree about shocker! I’d like him in an accurate costume too with the mask and yellow pads. I read some rumor somewhere that the MCU versions of the villains watched everything that happened in the final battle and got “inspiration”… which honestly I think they should go down that road and give Tom his versions of those villains, but give me scorpion first, I never thought it it being an Otto tentacle!!!
Scorpion
Tombstone
Mister Negative
Hammerhead
Black Cat
The Enforcers
Chameleon
With marvel stating that this victor von doom is not a varient of Tony stark, then the only way for that to be true and Robert Downey jr playing both characters, then in the universe where the fantastic 4 come from Howard stark instead of having one son and calling him Tony, he had TWINS. Additionally to address there different names, Howard stark and his wife died when they are babies. And they were split up. Tony how ever also would have died early leaving victor with no knowledge that he had a twin. Until he leaves his universe and finds out the truth. That in every other universe no twins existed and only Tony exist with no victor vin doom ever materializing.
Sony won over Marvel in making Spiderman 4 a multiverse movie.
Isn't ironic that MCU have been botching up multiverse and the one time they try to be grounded, finally doing it right, Sony pulls them back to multiverse.
It’s because the Daredevil Born Again series was reworked, and they wanna save the Daredevil and Spider-Man team up film against Kingpin after Secret Wars
This idea that Rdj is just going to look and act like Tony Stark but be Doom is beyond stupid!! I would want to believe that Marvel has a more interesting idea than that.
Who says he’s going to act like Tony Stark? You know that’s what acting is right? He didn’t act like Tony Stark in Oppenheimer.
You have no idea what they are gonna do with his character lmao . Ur literally just talking just to talk . They are gonna destroy his face and have him wear a mask have him with a different accent . You sound silly
He'll have a small thin scar 😂@@matteoromero5410
Spiderman 4 has been stated by Kevin feigi to be a grounded spiderman story …… but on the ground of an alien planet
This is great news . Y’all are so corny . I wanna see spiderman under the biggest scope on the biggest stage . That’s my hero . We’ve all seen street level spidey stuff . Time for big stuff . Kevin says it will be a grounded story taking place on another planet
We didnt see spierman deal with the same thing that dardevil deal in the street of new york, i think you kind of forget who spiderman is
And kevin didnt say it going to happen in another planet
If it’s multiverse count me out
Don’t kid yourself. You know Sony wants to capitalize of if the multiverse.
You'll be at the movies regardless watching this
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I think that's were he gets the symbiote that was left behind
Apparently not, I think I heard it from here
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This would be Spider Man 8, wouldnt it? Since the Raimi and Webb movies are canon.
@Mr.JakeSkywalker someone has to keep score
No spider man 15
@Mr.JakeSkywalker it should have been named "don't bother watching this because they'll reboot it in a couple of years"
@Mr.JakeSkywalker No Way Home? The movie whose implications I literally mentioned in my first comment? Nope, never heard if it.
More like Spider-Man: No Way Watch
Make way for a new actor. Tom Holland’s Spider-Man never quite hit the mark for me.
man stop it hes gotten tobey and andrews blessing already he THE SPIDERMAN now get over it
i wish, i completely agree. He's good for kid spidey but dont think he has the range to be a mature spidey
@@IanHom-p5sYou think that because we haven’t seen Tom be that mature adult Spidey yet. Have some faith and patience.
Boo no one wants Tom back let him get his teenager years behind him first ...what this one's set in college...bring Garfield in their and have a NYC we swinging adventure...without Iron Man...uh see Uncharted even Wahberg can't make him a action star
It has to be mentioned that if not mistaken here, Feige himself said any movie coming between Doomsday and Secret Wars that’s NOT a prequel will be set on Battleworld or the MCU’s version of that.
That’s why I said if I’m not mistaken.. I could be wrong but this was said during or post SDCC
Calling the tom holland spiderman trilogy “wonderful “ is a far step. It was ok at best. Campea as always hyping his shit up Take their nutz out your mouth campea 😂😂😂