Burning Up Over Philadelphia | UPS Flight 1307
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Hey guys before we get started thank you so much for 90 thousand subs! It means a lot! Thank you so much, now were so close to 100 thousand subs so id appreciate it so much if you could hit that subscribe button! Now onto the video! This is the story of UPS 1307, on the 7th of february 2006 a UPS dc 8 was on the day 2 of a 5 day 8 leg trip across the united states, this particular leg was from atlanta to philadelphia international airport. At 11:34 pm that night the dc8 was descending through 31,000 feet with the first officer in charge. The flight was routine so far, even boring. That was about to change, the first officer smelled something, to him it smelled like wood burning. The flight engineer backed up the first officer. He too thought that he smelled something for a few seconds, but as the minutes ticked on the odor grew stronger. The burning smell was more pronounced at the back.
The captain had to make a choice, he could either divert or continue to philadelphia, he scanned his instruments, none of them showed any indication of a fire. The flight engineer had not seen any smoke anywhere and ontop of all of that these pilots were used to unusual smells, sometimes theyd fly over forest fires or theyd fly unusual cargo, so they brushed this off. Since the odor didnt smell electrical.
But they kept trying to identify the source of the smell nonetheless. The flight engineer checked the bleed air switches and the air conditioning system to see if those were the source of the smell. As he did that flight 1307 was descending through 18,000 feet and the captain and the first officer started the approach checklist. They were cleared down to 6000 feet but as they descended the captain grew more concerned he asked “can you still smell it back there?”, the flight engineer went back into the main cargo compartment again to double check, the smell was much stronger there but again there was no smoke, no haze, nothing to indicate that they had a fire onboard. Over the next 10 minutes they continued to troubleshoot the problem as the plane made its way to philadelphia. At 11:54 pm when the plane was at 3,600 feet the crews worst fears were confirmed, the flight engineer said “we got cargo smoke”, flight 1307 was burning up. They were quite close to the philadelphia international, infact the approach controller had just cleared their visual approach to runway 27R and handed them off to the tower, the captain contacted the tower, who cleared them to land after whichThe captain told them of their situation and he requested emergency vehicles to meet them on the runway.
The flight enginner stated that they had a fire in section C, they put on their oxygen masks and the flight engineer started working on the “Lower and/or Main Cargo Compartment Smoke or Fire checklist”. Now that the controller knew that they had an emergency he cleared the crew to land on runway 27L, it was the designated runway for emergencies at philadelphia, but the captain doesn't acknowledge the runway change.
The flight engineer now had to go back to an access panel and close the cargo air shutoff valve, as he opened the access panel black smoke billowed out from the panel. Somewhere deep in the plane was a raging fire.
As the plane descended the tower controller checked in with the crew “Just confirmed you are lined up for the left side, it appears that you are lined up for the right.”, the captain had forgotten 
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The First Officer on this flight gave a presentation on this event a few years back. Humorous guy... apparently the emergency slides had a fault indication before the flight and the plan had been to defer them until later. Fortunately maintenance was able to repair the fault and the slides were available to the crew...he ended up being very thankful for this because he was a pretty big guy and trying to squeeze out the window and use ropes to get out of the airplane would not have been nearly as successful!
I’ve been an airline pilot for 30 years now, and have great admiration for this UPS crew. Smoke and fire are our worst fear and the checklists on many aircraft are confusing and time-consuming. They’ve improved, but this is still a horrifying prospect for airline pilots.
I hear you. My dad was a Pan Am pilot, retired in ‘77 and my mom and I also flew (light) aircraft. Fire 🔥 scares me worse than anything in this world and I’m up in years! It can be so damnably unpredictable. No wonder it’s connected to “Hell” in religion and folklore. All the luck to you🙋🏼♀️☘️👍
@@SharonH11100did he retire in ‘77 due to **the incident** in 1977 involving PanAm?
No. He retired at the age required which at the time 60.
@@SharonH11100 ah, alright. Thanks!
Damn, I was on the edge of my seat, thinking it would end like Flight 6. Those guys were so lucky.
Congrats on the 90k!
Flight 6 is one of the saddest aviation stories in my opinion. The pilot and then Co-pilots desperation and fight to save the aircraft was tough to see
@@topiasr628 : Yes. I saw the episode of "Air Disasters" (aka "Mayday", aka...), and it was a horrible, tragic situation.
How do u remember the names of flights? I remember evens but not flight numbers
I am a dangerous goods consultant, so I found this episode very interesting. Can you look into doing an investigation for a 1972 Pan Am charter flight from Boston Logan to Prestwick Scotland which was crashed due to a cargo fire. Much appreciated!
Do you mean Pan Am flight 160?
Just waking up. Took 4 tries before I got your 1st sentence right. I kept reading " I am a dangerous good consultant".😂
@@chrissweet5740 damn bro
@@chrissweet5740 omg
What makes a goods consultant dangerous? Do you work undercover or something?
UPS flight 6 was one of the most hard fought and valiant fights by the pilots to save their rapidly failing bird
that fight was lost, sadly. The first officer did all he could after the captain died.
@@adotintheshark4848 I hought he wasn't dead before the crash. The recreations are desperating...they were really close. 😔
Really appreciate your coverage of cargo aircraft incidents. These often get overlooked due to the smaller number of people involved, but are no less important. Even when I'm familiar with an incident, you often find a new detail or angle, or just tell the story in an engaging manner.
I especially like these kinds of videos, where there are problems, severe or otherwise, but the plan is able to land safely.
Has been great seeing your channel grow since I subscribed early last year. Even when the video was random plane spotting footage your ability to explain these incidents in a concise but complete way has always impressed me and I appreciate you covering the much lesser known incidents, it's part of the reason I never miss an episode.
I can definitely see a laptop or other device being shaken up during flight and the battery shorting out. Even one loose wire in just the right spot is enough to cause exactly this kind of situation. Kind of surprising it took so long for people to realise the issue of certifying the smoke detection with an empty cargo hold but I guess the danger of batteries wasn't fully understood at the time.
For me the takeaway is that as soon as you have any reason to even just suspect a fire, you are living on borrowed time - and not a lot of it; try to land as soon as you possibly can, and you MIGHT just live another day.
If you divert you better have a good reason for it. After your third or fourth divert without having any proof that something went wrong most Companies will probably fire you and the Aviation Authority would send you in for Psychological evaluation.
@@firstlt2 I sincerely doubt it, when multiple people testify having smelled a burning smell. Especially this not being a daily occurrence. Second, you may or may not be second-guessed by your bosses after landing if you are wrong which may or may not have carrier implications - OR you'll quite likely destroy a plane, die, and kill several other innocent people in one fell swoop if you are right. I mean, it's a no-brainer of a choice, but I suppose people have the right to be idiots. Just as long as they aren't gambling with other people's lives, that is.
@@AttilaAsztalos It is quite common to have something get burned in the galley oven. Based on your statement, you would immediately divert upon smelling anything odd. How would you explain to the Company that you diverted because Joe left his roll in the oven too long? I'm not saying to ignore everything like the UPS crew in Dubai did...but trying to say that you will divert just because you do not feel comfortable (which is what you are implying) and not using the technology available will make things quite difficult to explain.
@@firstlt2 I think it's reasonable to begin troubleshooting as soon as you have any indications of fire. Some planes' checklists actually say "smoke or fire indications" or words to that effect, which would cover this scenario. If you start to plan for a divert as you are troubleshooting, you give yourself the option to get on the ground quicker. If it turns out to be a false indication, you can continue to your destination. (I am a military transport-category pilot.)
@@firstlt2 I think that if the Captain feels a divert is warranted, for any reason, that should be the final say in the matter. It is literally the most important priority of their job, protecting lives first, then the plane and or cargo secondary.
Congratulations! You deserve 100k plus subscribers! It's like Christmas waking up and seeing a new video! Thank you!
One of my short list of favorite channels.. A couple of others is VAS Aviation and blancolirio. Very professionally done and detailed. What I like about your channel and the others I mentioned is that they make you understand from a layman's point.
Mentor Pilot and 74 Gear are great also
I live just outside and frequently drive past the airport on the way into the city. I generally appreciate the visuals provided with these kinds of videos, but seeing landscape I know as well as roads I've driven on is really really cool. Also taken many flights at that airport. Great video!
By the way, one thing I learned hands-on is that Lithium batteries emit a sweet metallic chemical smell when outgassing occurs. It might be possible that the container was quite sealed, so when the gas expands it passes through the wood so they smelled some kind of sweet wood odor.
It's probably "because it's cheaper", but why do they use wood in aircraft cargo containers? Surely metal or a thermoset plastic (aka the kind of plastic that doesn't melt before it burns) that has fire retardants in it (so it won't stay burning) would be a better choice? I mean there's also the matter of "just how durable do these things need to be?", and making them out of more durable materials can't be a bad thing right?
At least when shipping something like lithium ion batteries or something that behaves similarly spectacularly when mistreated, you'd probably want to make the container out of something that wouldn't make the problem any worse, right?
@@44R0Ndin The USPS, at least, insists that lithium ion battery containing equipment ship ground. I know from having mailed laptops.
@@44R0Ndin Aircraft cargo containers are aluminum.
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 and how did the laptop get from Asia to your house?
Glad no one was hurt. Sad to see a classic airliner go up. It’s amazing re-engined DC-8s still fly.
All planes definitely need smoke AND heat sensors linked through all cargo containers individually so the precise location of a problem can be immediately identified.
fire has no mercy. it does not care what it does, it just wants to feed. They had a close escape and I think they proceeded wisely and ended up with a safe outcome by being aware and making good calls. The plane on the other hand probably did not survive but she brought her crew back safe.Good episode again Mini
The Captain spent his entire career at UPS on the DC-8 and is long since retired, but the F/O is still flying and is part of a pilots union team that goes around to airports on his time off and helps to train airport fire departments in how to better know how to handle situations with cargo aircraft. He typically jumpseats on one of our aircraft and they would do their training while we were at the hotel sleeping. Then they would jumpseat back out with us that evening on the same airplane which was used for the training and practice. Every single time I had him and his partner go with us I noted that the airport fire department people were very enthusiastic in their praise for their program, so much so, that they sometimes gave us a water cannon salute as we taxied out! He is a great guy, and yes, he IS a pretty good size! AFAIK, the Flight Engineer was a PFE, so he would also be retired. When I had a PFE as my engineer, I always had a very warm, cozy feeling because they knew the airplane so well and they were so good at their jobs. I too am now retired, but the show goes on with very good people I very much enjoyed working with.
necessity is the mother of invention. for example, about 25 years ago, our air driver for the airport backed into the wing of the plane during a storm, due to low visibility. there was no extra training for that job, now you have to be certified to back up to the plane, and have to bring safety cones and vests. obviously this isnt something thats happened before hence why the pilots had no idea what to do. i also remember the dubi crash, the pilots who died have got to be commended, they had the choice to land on the highway which would've killed people cause it was busy, or crash in the desert and save lives, they chose the latter. (im a 25 year ups driver thats how i know these things) we lost a charter aircraft in my home town from UPS about 15 years ago due to pilot error and mechanical failure once, he flew below the glide path and was loaded to the max in a brand new aircraft, the engine went while flying over lake erie and he fell 10,000 feet. on the way down the wings ripped off but he was lucky and the plane landed tail first softening the blow allowing him to survive. i loaded this plane myself, and i knew the pilot was ok the next day. the night it happened i had brought a employee with me to watch the weights and everything, so when he showed up for work 3 hours after me i used it as a cruel joke and said we crashed the plane., he didnt believe me till the supervisor who also didnt know the details came out and informed us the plane went down and nothing more. he thought he crashed after that and his slightly darker complexion Asian skin turned very white.... i didnt let him leave work thinking this, but man was it funny. i also bumped into him a few years after he went on to another job, and said out loud, "hat terry, have you crashed anymore planes" right infront of his new coworkers and boss... i let them know of the joke before i left though.... but it was hilarious...
A fire onboard an aircraft in flight is an incredibly scary situation for any crew. If the fire reaches the flight control systems, there's no longer any hope...
"Where there's no smoke, there might still be a fire."
Lmao idk y but I just think that's so good. Great episode 👍
You've got one of the best flight channels on RUclips. I've been subscribed for a while and your videos have gotten much better; not that they were ever bad before.
I'll continue watching every video you make. Congrats on the coming 100k and many more to come.
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always nice to hear of a non fatal point on the aviation learning curve.
I've been a sub for a while and have recommended your channel a few times to people who, like me, find this type of content interesting. You do an awesome job, man. Please know that it is appreciated very much!!
You are doing a great job on these videos it’s great that these pilot’s acted quickly when they got on the ground
So happy for you, 100k comes any day now! Your video quality has improved drastically since you started with the animations, this is so much better than the random airplane landings on a loop you used to have. Love that you are talking over it also, it means I can listen and glance while I'm doing the dishes!
Kudos to ATC for amending the directions! He saved the crew!!! They wouldn't have made a go around.
Imagine thanking people for getting a mere 90k subs for such an awesome channel
Since seconds counted here, the air traffic controller who gave them clearance to land on the runway they were lined up for probably saved their lives. If the plane had needed to spend time lining up for the designated emergency runway, the crew might have been overcome.
Well, if that had ended up being an issue (which I'm certain it would not), and I were the pilot, I would've said "We're landing on 27R" and that would be that.
Seeing one of your videos always makes my day!
Congrats on the subs! Your videos are well researched, written and narrated.
A wonderfully clear and crisp narration on this one! (I wanted to reassure you of this because I commented on the audio last time.)
Great video! You are getting better and better, and much more self-confident. Also, it touches my heart to see so many positive, supportive, and complimentary comments. Obviously your genuineness and sincerity reach inside people.
Heartiest congratulations on 90k subscribers. Well, by this time, 92.4k subscribers.
Love your content. Keep up the excellent work, and we'll be crossing the 100k and 1m milestones in no time!
Found your channel a few months back, watched a video and instantly subscribed. I don't know why I missed such an excellent channel for so long.
Congrats on the 100K subscribers!!! been here a year and a half! You deserve it. Hands down the best investigation channel! I love the amount of detail you go into in these videos. Explaining the systems of the planes and why they are used. You paint an amazing picture of the events leading to the accidents with respect to the victims. I have watched all of your videos! Keep em coming!
As a controller an flight fire is probably one of the highest priority emergencies. You do you best to land the aircraft as soon as possible. Especially when you have to vector for an instrument approach, you want to cut them in as close as possible to the FAF without messing up the intercept. It’s similar to working a critical Lifeguard flight, don’t waste a mile!
You deserve the 90k! Love your content!
Your videos are always so good. You are an amazing storyteller!
Congratulations on 90,000 subs! It won’t be long before you hit 100,000, and it’s well-deserved!
Those DC-8s are equipped with a small axe in the cockpit, but good to see the crew used the stairs to get out instead, lol.
Thanks for educating us and helping me sleep, man. Your videos are well-researched, and your speaking cadence for some reason is perfect for pre-sleep listening.
Would you mind looking into Garuda flight 421? I think it'll make a good video where you could explain phenomenons such as radar shadowing.
I'm glad you're picking up subs so quick, I love these types of aviation disaster (sometimes) analysis but the other channels are an hour long full of dramatic language and build up with less information than yours contain! Huge fan here 🤘🏻
Congrats on the subscribers. You've well earned it. Great channel, great content.
Wow this is so great. I’m always looking forward to your videos and this occurred in my home city so I have read more about it, extra exciting. Love the video. Keep up the great work!
Very well narrated...thank you.
Congratulations on 90k!
The UPS cargo fire and crash in Dubai was horrifying. You should do that one.
i am dangerously and criminally insane and i found this episode to be very interesting.
Well there’s a RUclips comment I have definitely never seen before..
100 k subs soon. Keep the great work and the quality of the videos
Your insights seem careful and well-balanced. Well done!
Excellent as always 👍 Thank you!
Great video! I shudder imagining being a pilot in this situation and having to be patient while safely landing the plane, just hoping it holds up long enough.
I'm a long retired airline captain. When you smell smoke in flight over an airport, you should do an emergency descent into that airport, put the gear and flaps down on final and do a checklist IF YOU HAVE TIME. You should never delay landing to do checklists, briefings or anything except dump cabin pressure. If you're over an ocean as UPS frequently is, then the checklist is your only very slim chance to survive. This aircraft barely made it. Smoke and fire checklists and procedures of airliners are basically inadequate. You frequently have less than 10 minutes to beat a fire or die. My personal "checklist" was if the cabin crew informed us of any event that included the words "smoke" or "fire" my next question was "are you absolutely sure it's out?". Any answer other than a yes I would do the following, put on my oxygen mask and smoke goggles, turn off passenger oxygen system, start emergency descent, start to depressurize the aircraft, have the 1st O. put on the walk around oxygen and face mask, have him take the fire ax and CO2 extinguisher. and send him back into the cabin with instructions to not come back until the fire was out or flames forced him into the cockpit. That is a 100%+ fire response. It can all be undone. Turning off the oxygen and depressurizing deprived the fire of oxygen. We're going to be below 15k feet on only about three minutes and that is probably close to how high the cabin will get. Small boats require similar methods. The gradualism of checklists is a disaster.
Glad they made it...and that fire detection systems were improved after this nearly terrible tragedy
very well researched and presented. I enjoy your videos
Thank you for these amazing videos. Here's to one hundred subscribers! 👏💪👍❤️
You do a great job at making your vids interesting.
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Excellent video! I love what you do.
I’ve learned that fires erupt very fast when you don’t plan on it burning. Less than a week ago I stopped because I saw someone’s car was steaming. As I got close the guy frantically said he could call 911. As he said that I noticed the wheel well was on fire. Within 2 minutes the engine bay was completely engulfed. Luckily I was able to get the fire department, and no one was hurt. He said he kept having oil light issues after his last oil change. If something seems off, odds are there is something off, so get it looked at.
happy to hear in this instance there was no loss of human life
Congrats on your 92.6K - well deserved 👍
Just found your channel man, love your work.
Dude you do amazing videos
That was a clever way to end your script, props!
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I saw this plane many times afterwards while going in and out of PHL. Incredible that they managed to get it in. They attempted to cover the burned areas with a blue tarp. Not sure what ever happened to the jet.
More than likely cut for scrap in situ. That plane would never fly again, even if it just rolled off the factory floor. They would basically have to replace a vast majority of the fuselage, many of the hydraulic lines, practically all of the electrical, and probably two-thirds of the airframe. They may as well build a brand new aircraft at that point. They would also scrap it because space is at a premium at any Airport.
@@TheEDFLegacy I'm sure you're correct. It was probably dragged into a hangar for this process. It was visible for quite some time before this happened.
Most likely the Plane was leased and had insurance/bond companies involved so Ups probably just went out and leased another plane and let the lawyers figure it out.
@@Richard-wk9le It was a DC-8 in the 2000s, though... Not that you can't lease an old plane, but still, it was a plane that was likely converted to cargo use when it became too old and uneconomical to use for pax.
@@Richard-wk9le it was not leased. ups bought it in 1985
Congratulations on the subscriptions. I’ve got a few friends that are also subscribed to your channel.
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Congrats on 93k!!!
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Can't wait for you to hit that 100k milestone!
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38k subs in 5months? Well deserved 👏
If the video graphics are correct in this video it was a good thing it did not crash, because at the port there look like fuel storage area. Yikes. Good job by the pilots. Thank you.
Great video!! And praise Yah, everyone survived!!
Great video keep it up I live in Philly
U need 1 mill cause ur vids are so good and i mean it
Lol u have well over 100k subs now. Congrats 👏
Love to see you do ValueJet 592 and UPS 6...
Thank you for your diligence.👍 My people think I'm hooked on plane crashes. I'm not, but I really look forward to a juicy air crash investigation when I get a chance to take a break from my work. 🙂
As a member of the ground crew for this flight, the timeline is not quite as I remember it. We knew there was a problem well before the arrival. Also N748UP would have been registered as a passenger airplane at the time of the accident, this was allowed under FAA regs. If you read the NTSB report on the accident there was some confusion about the location of Hazmats and the NOTOCs that slowed the response by the fire department. The captain on the flight brought the plane in and was forced by the fire to exit via the rope, he was injured on exiting the aircraft. It is unlikely that the airframe could have been saved, but not diverting put the crew in considerable danger and could have caused the plane to crash into the city. I was always taught that the ground was where problems became inconveniences.
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wow! finally someone who uses the dark theme! like! (I'm already subscribed)
I wonder how many old DC-8 aircraft are still flying as freighters? They were great planes to travel in back when the Beatles were the latest craze.
Advance congratulations for 1 Million sir, big fan from India
If I was flying in a DC8 I would be wearing a parachute!
Nice work. Keep it up!
I would be nice to know more about those containers. Were these new laptops, returns, or headed to recycle? That would indicate how they were packed. Edit: I dug up the final report. I'm suspecting that what happened is some batteries were poorly contained and shorted out. The short got hot and set the cardboard packing on fire. The cells themselves may not have caught fire, but the cells powered the short that caused the fire.
So close to 100,000! I'll link my friends your vids!
Glad you've gotten so big.😊👍
Hmm. Those cargo containers could be rigged up with cheap, battery-operated temp sensors, with a receiver for same in the cockpit.
Kind of like valve stem sensors for tire pressure?
That way if any of those flight containers got too hot, you'd know the cargo in it was on fire. You could then land immediately.
the problem is there are tens of thousands of containers which would need batteries installed and checked each flight, we now have thermal opto sensors above each can now, which seem to work very well
I was going to comment something really similar. Another idea would be to fit thermocouples that are connected to the plane's fire alarm systems and physically connect to the containers, no need for batteries, but now you'll have to fit thousands of planes with hundreds of sensors each.
The problem will solve itself once infrared cameras get real cheap. One camera per cargo compartment, a RasPi to read them and trigger an alarm, done.
Great vlog as always. I think in SAS (SK) today the QRH says. If you smell smoke. Land at once! Better safe than sorry.
That was great.
Thanks
Come on 100k I'm already subbed from 2020
Your thumbnail is the videos I look for
A really interesting account. Thank you
That was marvellous. Thank you. Was it made using X-Plane 11?
Miracle timing on flight 1307
Hooked on to ur videos...good narration plus comprehensive info abt onboard systems and instruments....plz do make a video on 'charkhi dadri mid air collision'