The 747 That Flew Through A Forest And Survived! | British Airways 888

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    This is the story of british Airways flight 888. On the 11th of may 1976 a british airways 747 was on its way from london to melbourne with stops in bahrain bangkok and kuala lumpur. Fun fact this flight was operated by the BOAD or the british airways overseas division, I did not know that they had an entire separate division for their overseas operations. We join flight 888 on at night as it makes its way from bangkok to kuala lumpur with 104 people on board. The captain was the one flying and tonight he’d be landing on runway 15 at Kuala lumpur’s Subang international airport . Before the plane started its descent into Kuala Lumpur the crew went over the VOR approach to runway 15.
    This approach called for them to overfly the VBA VOR, it was situated 15 nm from the threshold of runway 15 and 1 nm to the north of the extended centerline. They had to pass the VBA vor at atleast 2000 feet after that they could head towards the NM beacon which was on the runway’s extended centerline. You had to maintain 860 feet as you passed over the NM beacon and only start descending when you had the runway insight and when you were on the glideslope. With the briefing out of the way the crew calibrated their altimeters and their radio altimeters, their radio altimeters would start warning them when they were at about 866 feet above the ground. It would start making a sound at 866 feet and then as they descended it would grow louder till they hit 791 feet.
    Soon the approach was under way the plane over flew the VBA VOR and the runway lights shone in the dark landscape, guiding the plane towards the airport. Having passed the VBA VOR the plane descended down to about 860 feet near their decision altitude. A warning sound played indicating that they were near their decision height. As this warning buzzed in the background the captain called for flaps 20 and for the gear to be lowered. Flaps are these surfaces that extend from the trailing edge of the wing, they help the plane generate more lift at low speeds. They come out in increments, for example at the flaps one setting they come out a little bit then at the flaps 5 setting a little bit more, and even more at flaps 10. You get the idea. As the gears came down one of the landing gear warning light became dislodged from its holder socket and so the flight engineer had to verify the status of the gear on his panel. Thus disrupting his checklist. The captain doesn't notice this but no one extended the flaps to 20. Neither pilot replied with flaps 05 confirming that they had done what the captain had asked nor did the captain follow up on this.
    As the plane approached the NM beacon the plane was carrying a bit too much speed as no one had extended the flaps, the flaps generate a lot of drag, ideally the speed should be a bit slower, so now the captain was doing three things at once, he had to line the plane up with the runway, maintain altitude and find a way to lose some speed.
    The plane was nearing the NM beacon and slowly the huge 747 started descending, the pilots in the cockpit were unaware of what their plane was doing. The plane overflies the NM beacon and the captain calls for flaps 25, the first officer asks in a confused voice “25 from 10?” remember he had not heard the call to extend the flaps to 20. So hes confused about the captain skipping flaps 20. But the captain didnt reply to the first officers query. In the cockpit each pilot went back to what they had been doing, the captain flew the plane, the first officer
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  • @davidjb3671
    @davidjb3671 2 года назад +698

    It's fortunate they were rubber trees really - just bounced off them 😏

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  2 года назад +152

      I see what you did there 😏😂

    • @chasarr
      @chasarr 2 года назад +256

      That's why the planes are called Boings

    • @8o86
      @8o86 2 года назад +74

      @@chasarr i swear i just found the best fucking pun on the internet burried down among youtube comments

    • @bookcat123
      @bookcat123 2 года назад +40

      Whoops there goes another rubber tree plant!

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 2 года назад +12

      @@chasarr
      I'm waiting for some Internet scholar to come along and say "herp-derp but it's spelt Boeing!" 😂
      Excellent pun sir, did make me chuckle!

  • @zew1414
    @zew1414 2 года назад +100

    My father worked for BOAC/British Airways for 30 years. Flew all of the world, and was lucky enough to fly Concord from JFK to Heathrow when I was 15. Always loved that airline. It seems everyone who worked for them knew my father. I miss him so much. Thanks for the video. Cheers

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 2 года назад +1

      They let you fly the Concorde when you were just 15? Super!!

    • @JPFdsFds
      @JPFdsFds 2 года назад

      To fly to serve, the camaraderie on old BA was something different

    • @giggiddy
      @giggiddy 2 года назад +2

      Sorry about your dad. He must have been a special guy. But your memories will last forever. Nibody can take them away. Take care.

  • @Eric_Hutton.1980
    @Eric_Hutton.1980 2 года назад +494

    I can just imagine the talk between the estate owner and his insurance man. The insurance man with an incredulous look on his face while the owner tried to explain how a 747 knock down his trees.

    • @messiahsbythesackful6267
      @messiahsbythesackful6267 2 года назад +4

      🥴🙄😊👍

    • @foreverpinkf.7603
      @foreverpinkf.7603 2 года назад +16

      Insurances have been created to generate money, not to spend it, so in most cases, they find a tiny backdoor to keep their "hard earned" money.

    • @em1osmurf
      @em1osmurf 2 года назад +17

      @@foreverpinkf.7603 in most cases they likely would go after BOAC. not sure if Lloyd's covers them, or if they're self-insured (read: the Crown). but you ARE correct. you'll notice if there is a suit won by someone against your insurer, your next premium is a tad higher. we were a long ways from Andrew in florida, but our premiums jumped next month.

    • @messiahsbythesackful6267
      @messiahsbythesackful6267 2 года назад +7

      @@foreverpinkf.7603 Speaking of insurance,.. all the homeowners who have their house insurance built into the mortgage payment who have deferred because of Covid? I'm just curious to find out.. My guess is that the banks wouldn't have allowed the policies to lapse, but...?

    • @foreverpinkf.7603
      @foreverpinkf.7603 2 года назад +2

      @@messiahsbythesackful6267 Good question.

  • @Peter_Vidgeon
    @Peter_Vidgeon 2 года назад +168

    At the time, some wag in the fleet nicknamed us as British Overtrees Airways.

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 2 года назад +10

      "What is the angle of BOA?"
      "I can't give you an angle but I'd say distance wise about 25 feet."

    • @christophershrimpton7627
      @christophershrimpton7627 2 года назад +11

      GPWS was also nicknamed the Game Park Warning System after the Nairobi incident and we used to refer to the Overtrees Division of British Airways.

    • @shoesofemelda
      @shoesofemelda 2 года назад +3

      boad tree trimming service

    • @christophershrimpton7627
      @christophershrimpton7627 2 года назад +8

      @@shoesofemelda It was rumoured at the time that the entry in the tech log stated "there was a smell of burning wood emanating from the No. 2 engine". Interesting choice of words when you very nearly died.

    • @stuartmcconnachie
      @stuartmcconnachie 2 года назад +8

      @@christophershrimpton7627 Thankfully the log neglects to mention the smell emanating from the captain’s seat cushion…

  • @MasterVertex
    @MasterVertex 2 года назад +618

    Trees can sometimes be a good additional layer of ground proximity warning.

    • @kommandantgalileo
      @kommandantgalileo 2 года назад +130

      GPWS: terrain terrain
      Trees: Thump Thump Thump

    • @spxdesu
      @spxdesu 2 года назад +21

      @@kommandantgalileo im fkn dying lmfao

    • @jtveg
      @jtveg 2 года назад +4

      Lol.

    • @ThatGuy182545
      @ThatGuy182545 2 года назад +29

      It’s a little like the flight computer saying “PULL THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE!”

    • @Kalvinjj
      @Kalvinjj 2 года назад +8

      @@ThatGuy182545 This reminds me of a video Boeing made on the retirement of the woman that voiced the cockpit warning sounds of the F/A-18 Super Hornet, also known as "Bitching Betty": ruclips.net/video/yx7-yvXf6f8/видео.html

  • @mikemoreno4469
    @mikemoreno4469 2 года назад +180

    Fascinating. Yes, please, let's see the Nairobi one, too.

    • @rmw1109
      @rmw1109 2 года назад +6

      Am Kenyan and eager to see the Nairobi case

    • @orangekatzen8475
      @orangekatzen8475 2 года назад +4

      Yes please please

    • @Double0pi
      @Double0pi 2 года назад +3

      I think it doesn't matter what Arun is referring to, if he asks if we want to see a video, the answer is always yes

    • @rmw1109
      @rmw1109 2 года назад +2

      @@Double0pi either way, the message got home :p

  • @Pigletsyes
    @Pigletsyes 2 года назад +438

    I've got a few trees in my yard that need to be removed. By any chance do you have the captain's contact info?

    • @moonprincess500
      @moonprincess500 2 года назад +16

      IM DEAD🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Pigletsyes
      @Pigletsyes 2 года назад +49

      @@moonprincess500 That's what I'll be saying when the captain misses the trees and hits my house instead

    • @Zakahia
      @Zakahia 2 года назад +8

      @@Pigletsyes lmao you got me rollin'

    • @780brando
      @780brando 2 года назад +7

      I also have a tree that needs to be trimmed up a bit

    • @Pigletsyes
      @Pigletsyes 2 года назад +7

      @@780brando I'll send him over once he's done with my place

  • @enoughofyourkoicarp
    @enoughofyourkoicarp 2 года назад +5

    That picture at the begining looks like a proud mother jet watching her baby jet go off on his first day as a passenger plane and now I can't stop squeeing internally.

  • @Hissmannen
    @Hissmannen 2 года назад +346

    My friend is a squirrel, he lost his whole house in this incident..

  • @kevgermany
    @kevgermany 2 года назад +65

    BOAC and BEA were two separate companies that were merged by the government into BA.
    BEA was British European Airways. BOAC British Overseas Airways Corporation, a descendant of Imperial Airways.

    • @steveknight878
      @steveknight878 2 года назад +13

      And nothing to do with BA - British Airways - until the takeover

    • @williamgreen5575
      @williamgreen5575 2 года назад +10

      Also, fun fact, BOAD is something you made up! Never existed. It was BOAC, Corporation not Division.
      30 seconds of Google searching would have given you this info, I mean, come on, the photos you used said BOAC on the side of the plane for gods sake!

    • @Rishnai
      @Rishnai 2 года назад

      @@williamgreen5575 Regarding your original comment of some 5 hours ago on this video:
      There are many far more functional ways to draft a commentary on to a copyediting omission than you chose to demonstrate.
      I mean, come on, (sic)

    • @williamgreen5575
      @williamgreen5575 2 года назад +3

      @@Rishnai if he author hadn't have gone into detail on the BOAD business and then tried to pass it off as fact ('fun fact'), it wouldn't have been an issue, but the fact they never even bothered to check, just assume they must be correct, and just put the so called fact forward is what I was pointing out

    • @robertplatt1693
      @robertplatt1693 2 года назад

      Don't forget BWIA!

  • @hariman7727
    @hariman7727 2 года назад +63

    "When in doubt, GO AROUND!"
    There's a big of luck, a bit of engineered sturdiness, and a bit of the trees being flexible enough and falling over to mitigate potential damage.

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 2 года назад +8

      and the engines didn't ingest tree limbs.

    • @johneyon5257
      @johneyon5257 2 года назад +5

      "when the runway isn't there - go around"

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 2 года назад +3

      @@johneyon5257 as long as you don't wait too long. I saw a couple of videos where the pilots did TOGA too late, both disasters.

  • @bobkile9734
    @bobkile9734 2 года назад +41

    I want to know what the F/O was thinking. Captain asked for flaps 25. He questions skipping flaps 20. Captain doesnt respond, so what does he do? NOTHING!!! Wtf dude?!?
    Why didnt he set 20?
    Why didnt he say “screw it he must know what he’s doing” and set 25?
    Why not ask louder?
    ‘Nothing’ was literally the worst response he could have gone with.

    • @McFrax
      @McFrax 2 года назад +16

      It's a bit confusing how he tells the story, but later part makes it clear that they went to flaps 25 ("F/O and navigator verified that the flaps were at 25", 4:10). It was just that they were already on a wrong trajectory, and no one was properly tracking the altitude, so it didn't help much at this point.

    • @robertstorey7476
      @robertstorey7476 2 года назад +1

      @@McFrax Didn't it make things spectacularly worse as the pilot had taken other action to slow the plane himself after the unnoticed failure to go to flaps 20?

    • @LunaticTheCat
      @LunaticTheCat 2 года назад +1

      That part was particularly baffling

  • @davidjma7226
    @davidjma7226 2 года назад +33

    I was on a go around on a 747 on approach to Heathrow a few years ago as we were just about to land - very impressive change in trajectory when those four engines roar up. My Japanese seat mate was bawling her eyes out!

  • @PelenTan
    @PelenTan 2 года назад +49

    I actually laughed out loud when you got to the part about the plantation owner having to fill out an insurance claim!

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 2 года назад +6

      Reminds me of some friends from Providence RI who had a circus elephant leave a parade and sit on their Volkswagen Beetle and crushed the front of it completely.

    • @Dr_V
      @Dr_V 2 года назад +3

      Most likely he didn't have to, the airline probably gave him up front whatever he asked for in order to avoid a much more expansive lawsuit (not only in terms of actual value, but also the associated PR headaches).

    • @daviddunsmore103
      @daviddunsmore103 2 года назад +3

      @@billolsen4360 Did their Volkswagen have elephant coverage on their insurance policy? 🤔

    • @billolsen4360
      @billolsen4360 2 года назад +1

      @@daviddunsmore103 nooooo, they weren't with Farmers.

    • @HolySoliDeoGloria
      @HolySoliDeoGloria 2 года назад +1

      Kind of a juvenile joke. Vladimir may be right. I don't think it would have been a strange insurance claim at all, considering that the plantation was on the approach path to a major airport.

  • @josephconnor2310
    @josephconnor2310 2 года назад +10

    Just proves how well-built the 747 is, that it could hit trees and still fly. Thank you for this post. Yes, I would love to see the Nairobi flight you mention.

    • @blackandgold676
      @blackandgold676 Год назад

      Such a beastly workhorse!!

    • @mwbgaming28
      @mwbgaming28 Год назад +1

      Yeah the 747 can fly through a field of rubber trees, but the A300 can survive being hit by a missile

  • @DragonKastle
    @DragonKastle 2 года назад +9

    Thank you for including incidents where it’s not all death. Gives me hope I can fly one day. I have severe phobia.

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      These mistakes are rare. You can fly with your eyes closed & wake up there. I see some people fall asleep before takeoff. I'm a window watcher and fly often. I find it exhilarating fun. I dont particularly love rollercoasters though even though they are on the ground somewhat. I flew to Las Vegas and got on one upside down ride. It was scary because I had never tried it before. Ill go again. But no plane ever felt like that plus you are inside in a plane. Try a short flight first to test the waters flutters. If you don't like it do not go back. My first trip was over water to Bermuda in 1973. Then whenever I could get off work. To puerto Rico then California Minneapolis Texas for military training on guess what? Planes F104 AD10 F15. Then cargo C141. With C130 next door in 1980. Then flight classes in Cessna 150. Then back to Las Vegas Hawaii & Florida & home to NY USA. Start local. Then expand. You'll see a lot of what you've been missing. Its fun. I never flew as a kid. I was 20. Now 69. Only watched planes land at JFK at 6 years of age.

  • @MeMe-gm9di
    @MeMe-gm9di 2 года назад +17

    When the lightbulb failed, I feel like that was enough reason to go around. Two people in the cockpit were completely out of the loop there, in a critical phase of flight.

    • @agps4418
      @agps4418 2 года назад

      i agree, too little critical thinking in a critical moment

    • @232K7
      @232K7 2 года назад

      Anything that requires the gear position to be verified AGAIN as I'm landing? Forget vu nn

  • @Spidey-tb3tu
    @Spidey-tb3tu 2 года назад +40

    The rubber trees were rubber-stamped by competing rubber tires on the landing gear.

  • @GhostSheep96
    @GhostSheep96 2 года назад +103

    Here in Germany, I've never seen a 747 doing forestry work :(

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  2 года назад +34

      Probably a good thing tbh 😂

    • @GhostSheep96
      @GhostSheep96 2 года назад +18

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation true 😂 I Wonder if they had a deal with John Deere for special attachments for the 747🤔

    • @kommandantgalileo
      @kommandantgalileo 2 года назад +8

      @@GhostSheep96 Chainsaw 747?

    • @GhostSheep96
      @GhostSheep96 2 года назад +3

      @@kommandantgalileo for example 😂

    • @CCCW
      @CCCW 2 года назад +1

      just use scythes as winglets

  • @TheRogueAdventurers
    @TheRogueAdventurers 2 года назад +73

    I love how in the sim, the plane hits trees just before landing at the actual runway.

    • @Andrew-Kerr
      @Andrew-Kerr 2 года назад +4

      Well there is a Clipper version of the 747, so a little clipping here and there, is only to be expected XD

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      I was in a military sim and demonstrating flight to an audience so to show off I crashed a 737 type plane at the tip of the empire state bldg. We all laughed but if that was real I'd have a heart attack or be dead. Actually it took quite precision to get the altitude lined up to just brush the antenna on top of the building. If it was a real miscalculation in real life it most likely would have been much lower and worse. I wouldn't want to try it.

  • @jayoneill1533
    @jayoneill1533 2 года назад +14

    As a passenger you can feel the flaps lower, how the captain, who was flying the approach, couldn’t sense he had no flaps extended is beyond me.

    • @malcolmwhite6588
      @malcolmwhite6588 8 месяцев назад

      Probably so focused on other aspects his mind was shut off to that and because there were some flaps after the initial change in noise and aerodynamics he probably didn’t notice any more change equally if it was him flying he would feel the pitch change but possibly not if the plane is still on auto pilot

  • @BillyAlabama
    @BillyAlabama 2 года назад +95

    You did a magnificent job with this story! A++

    • @chunkychuck
      @chunkychuck 2 года назад +1

      He's great at being informative but concise 👏

    • @onlyme112
      @onlyme112 2 года назад

      A great investigator and storyteller.

  • @robertlindberg2938
    @robertlindberg2938 2 года назад +14

    Great presentation and very interesting. This happened 45 years ago when CRM training was not as developed as it is today. By today`s standards, you can call it total break down in crew coordination and teamwork. Also lack of closed loop communication. Seen smilar many times, but only from backseat in the sim.

    • @user-sm3xq5ob5d
      @user-sm3xq5ob5d 2 года назад +1

      Kind of astonishing. I do sailing and there you have clear commands because otherwise you might get hit by the boom and go overboard.

    • @brianturner6729
      @brianturner6729 2 года назад

      @@user-sm3xq5ob5d Jibe....Oh !!! Interesting CRM arose from a David Beaty writing about accidents in 1969 - and he was in BOAC ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management also notes CRM developed and was adopted by NTSB and NASA especially after the disastrous Tenerife accident in 1977. We all make minor mistakes, but if they aren't picked up on an aeroplane they can become disastrous - or chop down a few trees if you spool up in time.

  • @stephengrimmer35
    @stephengrimmer35 2 года назад +63

    TBF the Captain called flaps 20 and the FO ignored him. Everything else stems from that omission

    • @stevenspilly
      @stevenspilly 2 года назад +7

      True but then the pilot instructed flaps 20 and luckily the FO questioned him and the Captain ignored him. Had the FO selected flaps 20 at that moment they would have descended even faster and further and impacted the trees terrain and, well, fireball. Plenty of blame to go around here.

    • @HDMediaUK
      @HDMediaUK 2 года назад +1

      @@stevenspilly The issue was that the captain was trying to fly a speed that works with flaps 20 with flaps 10.
      When you extend flaps you don't just increase drag you do the flaps primary function, increase lift at low speed.
      If the aircraft was in the correct configuration, the glideslope would likely have been maintained due to the additional lift generated by flaps 20. However, instead of this, the pilot noticed he was going too fast and slowed with flaps 10. less lift, same speed, same pitch resulted in a greater sink rate and hey ho, the 747 did forestry work.

    • @blackandgold676
      @blackandgold676 Год назад

      The captain didn't get a response and ignored that. It's on both of them.

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      A flight years ago 3 in the cockpit one bulb of 3 out. 12 dollars angry capt. Sends FO down into dark hellhole to inspect for gear down configuration.no light. Nobody flying the plane. He hit the yoke with his elbow, auto pilot goes off & nobody notices quiet slow descent. Plane crashed gear down. Wrong focus.

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      @@HDMediaUK They do some approaches in a stair step fashion. Flaps 10 20 25 30. They skipped a step and ruined the continuity. A plane that large cannot respond as rapidly as a sport plane glider. Now things should be a bit better with CRM and thorough education on the subject. Thank you for making us aware of how the tree clipper got its name.

  • @JuusoAlasuutari
    @JuusoAlasuutari 2 года назад +21

    Sound quality has improved noticeably from what it was 2-3 months ago. Content is excellent as usual. And not being afraid to revise and reupload if necessary is respectable.

  • @JasonFlorida
    @JasonFlorida 2 года назад +9

    That just goes to show you how large a 747 is... They took out so many trees but the pilots didn't feel a thing!

    • @senilyDeluxe
      @senilyDeluxe 2 года назад

      On the first photo, that VC10 (at least I think it is) looks like some corporate jet compared to the 747 behind it.

    • @someusername1
      @someusername1 2 года назад +2

      @@senilyDeluxe It's a BAC One-Eleven. It's quite a small aircraft.

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      That would be a good ad... the plane is such a smooth ride that you can brush trees and not know it. Come on down.

  • @aaronsakulich4889
    @aaronsakulich4889 2 года назад +37

    "It probably made the pilot's blood run cold" dude it made MY blood run cold and I'm just sitting here at my desk in sweatpants eating lo mein, holey moley

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  2 года назад +8

      Now I want lo mein 😭

    • @aaronsakulich4889
      @aaronsakulich4889 2 года назад +3

      @@MiniAirCrashInvestigation I have leftovers from last night. I tried a place I've never been to before, and it turns out that instead of onions they use... fennel???? I've never even heard of such a thing before, but it was VERY NICE! Good luck in your lunch search :)

    • @Tuere816
      @Tuere816 2 года назад

      I was gonna say some stuff until I realised you said fennel and not fennel seeds

    • @aaronsakulich4889
      @aaronsakulich4889 2 года назад +1

      @@Tuere816 yeah, I opened the container and was like, good god, what's with these MONSTER slices of onion, and... I was pleasantly surprised!

  • @loddude5706
    @loddude5706 2 года назад +59

    The Knights of Ni were somewhat disappointed with their Amazon-air-drop shrubbery . . .

    • @nongdarko
      @nongdarko 2 года назад +2

      It's a shrubbery

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 2 года назад

      @@nongdarko
      "Ahhh! 'E said it again!"

    • @edgarfriendly7571
      @edgarfriendly7571 2 года назад

      Hahaha - nice one! And they didn´t even get a path!

    • @reltney20
      @reltney20 2 года назад

      Actually they received 4 paths between the shrubbery…. They cut down the mightiest rubber tree in the Forrest with a 747

    • @duncandmcgrath6290
      @duncandmcgrath6290 2 года назад

      Aaahh Herring!!!

  • @lightningstrikestwice6302
    @lightningstrikestwice6302 2 года назад +8

    This is my go-to channel! I watch boat channels Jeep recovery channels a couple of other documentary channels. But this is the one I always compact to and enjoy the most. The narrator is such a humble man. He speaks well the research is spot on. To me, he's the kind of guy you'd like to meet!

  • @404namenotfound_3
    @404namenotfound_3 2 года назад +37

    Would love to see the Nairobi one too
    Great work as ususal. You are improving with every upload 👍

    • @douglasmegson3739
      @douglasmegson3739 2 года назад +2

      I think it was a Comet that touched down in the Nairobi Game Park 9 miles short of the runway. Pressure setting (QFE) issue (NBO 5,350 feet elevation).

  • @TheAdeybob
    @TheAdeybob 2 года назад +244

    I'd be interested to know if the pilots of the two aircraft were ex-military.
    Going through the records, researchers found some issues inherent with ex-military pilots who later become civilian pilots.
    Apparently, when emergencies develop, such pilots can be prone to defer to their military training, and try to deal with it 'on their own' as if they were in the cockpit of a fighter plane - and so not utilising the help of the other civilian crew, and even ignoring the help of co-pilots, etc. There's extra training suggested for ex-military pilots because of this.
    Does anyone know if this military-to-civilian conversion-issue was a factor in either of these incidents?

    • @V8King770
      @V8King770 2 года назад +100

      At least he didn't try to eject.

    • @TheAdeybob
      @TheAdeybob 2 года назад +29

      @@V8King770 ...or bomb anyone...

    • @markotango54
      @markotango54 2 года назад +15

      Most British Airways - BOAC Pilots have a civilian flying background

    • @nerysghemor5781
      @nerysghemor5781 2 года назад +64

      Don't forget that there are a lot of other types of military pilots as opposed to fighter pilots. My dad had a very easy transition to civilian flight because he had flown heavy cargo jets and had a very similar setup to those on an airliner.

    • @messiahsbythesackful6267
      @messiahsbythesackful6267 2 года назад +13

      Good question, even fascinating, how early training can carry over instinctively.

  • @whoever6458
    @whoever6458 2 года назад +4

    The thing about getting distracted is that it's nearly impossible to tell that you're distracted until something proves dangerous. Sometimes it's just a near miss and you can bring yourself back to focus but sometimes the very first indication that you're distracted is the end of your life.

    • @ProsperityEngine
      @ProsperityEngine 2 года назад +1

      that is why i would never be a pilot. I get distracted too easy

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      Right. How many times did planes go down without the pilots knowing what happened or how? Tail fell off wing sheared off too close to ground before knowing it. Sudden drop.

  • @anthonyglee1710
    @anthonyglee1710 2 года назад +16

    Nice video, thanks! Just to let you know it’s BOAC (not D) - meaning ‘British Overseas Airways Corporation’. They merged with BEA ‘British European Airways’ to form present day British Airways in 1974.

    • @ianoswald1605
      @ianoswald1605 2 года назад +2

      By 1976 the airline was British Airways however they were still operating as separate airlines using the pre merger operating certificates. One of the first areas to be merged was the total purchasing function in an effort to get benefits of larger buys. It was many years before there was total integration.

    • @busofmauritius8306
      @busofmauritius8306 2 года назад +2

      You clearly didn't pay attention to the video

    • @Wenlocktvdx
      @Wenlocktvdx 2 года назад

      British Airways was in use when we flew to Melbourne in May 1973

    • @anthonyglee1710
      @anthonyglee1710 2 года назад

      @@ianoswald1605 Thanks, but then I’m not too bothered about operating licences - you’re talking about legalities. We all know airline mergers are complex and take time. Anyway as far as the consumer and what would’ve been on the news is that BOAC and BEA merged to form British Airways in 1974.

    • @anthonyglee1710
      @anthonyglee1710 2 года назад

      @@Wenlocktvdx Maybe that was a precursor to officially becoming BA. As we know, aircraft repaints can take a number of years. Eg AA and USAir, United and Continental. www.britishairways.com/100/story/heritage-liveries

  • @royharkins7066
    @royharkins7066 2 года назад +13

    I expect they were compensated with a rubber cheque 🥳🥳

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 2 года назад

      Well, they were flying a 'Boing' after all! (Joke stolen from another poster somewhere above and cannabilsed/ruined to suit my own janky joke!)

    • @senilyDeluxe
      @senilyDeluxe 2 года назад

      and I bet the cheque bounced too! :-D

  • @benjaminmcclatchey9814
    @benjaminmcclatchey9814 2 года назад +17

    In late June of 1988 or 1989 the was a near miss at heathrow. A 747 from Chicago almost hit a 757 that was already on the runway. It made the evening news that night.
    Could you do a segment on it? My father was on the 747 which is how I know about it. Please let me know if you do a piece about it.

  • @cargopilot747
    @cargopilot747 2 года назад +1

    I love the graphics starting at around 0:38 with the sun light appearing to shine through the cabin and on through the windows on the other side. Looks very realistic.

  • @70slandshark47
    @70slandshark47 2 года назад

    On commercial aircraft, the turbofan engines are very resistant. They are designed to withstand foreign object damage (FOD) and continue to run to achieve optimum performance. Back in the early 90s, as a mechanic, I was called out to inspect an engine on a US Air 737-300 regarding a bird strike.
    It did quite a bit of damage to the C-1 fan section and the core compressor. The pilot was there also telling me during take off , he had injested a large bird and noticed his number 2 engine parameters all went down and came back to up to normal operating parameters. He told me that he wanted to continue on but thought the best of it and return to the airport. I couldn't believe it as I looked at the heavily damaged engine. My hats off to the pilots.

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад

      He would not have made it far. He's lucky you discouraged him from continuing to fly then. They showed us a damaged engine on the base after a bird strike. Bones & blood all over and bent compressor blades. Strikes are no joke.

  • @SJR_Media_Group
    @SJR_Media_Group 2 года назад

    This happened in 1976. CRM was not practiced as it is now. Today, communication between cockpit crew is much better. Good thing aircraft was a 747, built tough, and almost idiot proof. I used to work for Boeing in Everett where 747 is built. Been all through aircraft during different phases of construction. Amazing plane.

  • @maxhill7065
    @maxhill7065 2 года назад +1

    I liked your reenactment of the pilot scanning for runway lights with no luck, it was a really subtle but effective little bit!

  • @malcolmwhite6588
    @malcolmwhite6588 8 месяцев назад

    Also a stunning testament to the strength of the 747

  • @l2etranger
    @l2etranger 2 года назад +3

    Perhaps one day you'll find the incident in Boston between 2007 and 2012 when another British Airways 747 had to realign its trajectory towards Logan International Airport from aiming at a tower in the communities of Everett and Chelsea.

  • @Ananth8193
    @Ananth8193 2 года назад +6

    I was not aware that BOAC took care of international routes... Awesome video ❤️❤️❤️

    • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
      @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  2 года назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @slobberybog
      @slobberybog 2 года назад +4

      Not BOAC - BAOD. BOAC was British Overseas Airways Corporation and was merged with BEA in 1971 to form British Airways.

    • @brucebaxter6923
      @brucebaxter6923 2 года назад

      Montego Bay

    • @martinc199
      @martinc199 2 года назад +1

      @@slobberybog I worked for the newly formed BA. For a couple of years, during consolidation, the company was divided into the European and Overseas Divisions. I worked for ED but on night shifts, would eat in the OD canteen not far from the Concorde Maintenance hanger. Great times.

    • @oldmanc2
      @oldmanc2 2 года назад

      @@martinc199 TBJ/TBK? Best canteen!

  • @rubenhein9128
    @rubenhein9128 2 года назад

    The MINI-ACI registration is such a nice detail

  • @tribalstyle138
    @tribalstyle138 Год назад

    Im doing my very first 747 flight in 3 wks- so excited to ride this majestic monster!

  • @stanleybuchan4610
    @stanleybuchan4610 2 месяца назад +1

    It was called BOAC. British Overseas Airline Company. It may have been Corporation, but it certainly wasn't Division.

  • @cypriangacki1676
    @cypriangacki1676 2 года назад +10

    Nairobi one please. Great work on this as always!

  • @nickyboam3406
    @nickyboam3406 2 года назад

    Excellent video. Seeing the BOAC livery brings memories back.

  • @TagiukGold
    @TagiukGold 2 года назад +26

    I've seen the aftermath of several planes that have done forestry work, but it often resulted in fire and funerals.

    • @ProsperityEngine
      @ProsperityEngine 2 года назад +3

      yeah the end result of airplanes doing tree-trimming gigs is usually deadly. was not in this case , happily

  • @CuriousMaker609
    @CuriousMaker609 2 года назад +10

    Sadly, In developing countries, farmers don't necessarily insure their crop unless the government has raised awareness about such things. In most cases, the government comes to the the aid.

    • @user-sm3xq5ob5d
      @user-sm3xq5ob5d 2 года назад

      Is the airline the party liable? They (their pilot) did the damage.

  • @hydorah
    @hydorah 2 года назад +1

    British Airways was formed from BOAC, BEA and two regional airlines in 1974. BOAD was a fairly short-lived, transitional structure of BA's operations

    • @hydorah
      @hydorah 2 года назад

      I should add this accident occurred in 1976, the graphics in this video gives the impression it could be much more recent!

  • @nellawell4976
    @nellawell4976 2 года назад +1

    Made in America! Your doing a good job,Thanks.

  • @burryhulbertjr1429
    @burryhulbertjr1429 2 года назад

    That's why situational awareness is absolute. And redundant backup. And always double x triple check. As a truck driver there is always situations available that want to destroy your world. We must be always vigilant. But show's just how robust the Boeing 747 truly is..!! Maybe that's why its Airforce One!!

  • @edwardgeorge4881
    @edwardgeorge4881 2 года назад +5

    Lucky escape!👏

  • @bestboy138
    @bestboy138 2 года назад +29

    Hopefully that dude with the trees had Farmers Insurance because they’ve seen almost everything.

  • @OscarScheepstra_Artemis_
    @OscarScheepstra_Artemis_ 2 года назад +3

    I love those videos. And I find it uncanny that the render at 0:19 looks so real. I wasn't paying so much attention and thought it was a real photo at first.

  • @taylorswift5246
    @taylorswift5246 2 года назад +2

    Lol I like watching ur vids before i go too sleep cause you have a very awesome story telling voice lmao

  • @andyhill242
    @andyhill242 2 года назад +7

    Yes, could we have a video on the Nairobi near miss please?

  • @brianokello3832
    @brianokello3832 2 года назад +3

    Hello from Nairobi Kenya! Love your videos, so informative and entertaining!... please do the Nairobi Near miss, i'd love to see that!

  • @TheImprobableIronman
    @TheImprobableIronman 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely loving your content sir. Great documentaries and the CGI video really adds to it. Nice work.

  • @flyingtigerline
    @flyingtigerline 2 года назад +3

    Beautiful visuals !!!

  • @deletebilderberg
    @deletebilderberg 2 года назад +3

    Marvellous work sir!!
    AND a happy ending!!!

  • @agungokill
    @agungokill 2 года назад

    this is why good maintenance is very crucial things...

  • @Top_Weeb
    @Top_Weeb 2 года назад +2

    These videos are fantastic. It's clear you work really hard on them.

  • @prakashlulla2311
    @prakashlulla2311 2 года назад

    Fantastic Video. Thank you for sharing with us all. 🙏

  • @BigWheelHawaii
    @BigWheelHawaii 2 года назад

    What a Great Report and Video,,, Spectacular,,,, Job Well Done,,,

  • @royalewithchz
    @royalewithchz 2 года назад +2

    Thank you as always for another great video sir! You really create some great quality content.

  • @FastColin
    @FastColin 2 года назад

    I'm a simple man, I see MACI post, I grab popcorn and watch

  • @taketimeout2share
    @taketimeout2share 2 года назад

    Seriously, you are a natural at this. Almost every video is very well presented, interesting and entertaining.

  • @thephysicsflight7841
    @thephysicsflight7841 2 года назад +1

    Yeah we want a video on Nairobi incident... we'd love that..!!!! #flysafe

  • @julianhendrik
    @julianhendrik 2 года назад +6

    Great video! I'd love to see the Nairobi video. Keep up the good work :)

  • @donnafromnyc
    @donnafromnyc 2 года назад +1

    MACI, you get better with every new video investigation. Excellent explanation!

  • @OldSonyMan
    @OldSonyMan 2 года назад +3

    Excellent, look forward to your next tale of aviation mishaps !

  • @jmurray01
    @jmurray01 2 года назад +1

    Can't believe I hadn't heard of this one before. Another great video as always.

  • @dodoubleg2356
    @dodoubleg2356 2 года назад

    Good job on ur final comment about the owner of the trees 🎄🌴. I watch ur vids w/such focus so as not to miss anything, it was a nice change of pace for u to add a joke & some levity into it, ha. Can't wait for the next one. 😉👍👍✌️

  • @deepakbanerjee9836
    @deepakbanerjee9836 2 года назад +2

    Very nice video. Like more of these. Thanks.

  • @oryxr5354
    @oryxr5354 2 года назад +3

    Always happy to see an upload from you

  • @mikehenderson631
    @mikehenderson631 2 года назад

    Congratulations on over 100.000 subscribers

  • @Peter78730
    @Peter78730 2 года назад

    The best computer generated video I have seen to date. Narration is easy to understand and well spoken.
    I have one comment: you spoke of the near miss at Nairobi. In point of fact, it was a near collision.

  • @jamesjackman4638
    @jamesjackman4638 2 года назад +1

    Yes I would like to see a vidio of the near miss at Nairobi, and I really like watching your channel as it's so informative.

  • @kekab.8161
    @kekab.8161 2 года назад +3

    Never even heard of this, thanks for posting!

  • @orangekatzen8475
    @orangekatzen8475 2 года назад +3

    Great job once again!

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 2 года назад +4

    Awesome video, I’d love to see a video about the near miss in Nairobi!😸

  • @ngwamakai1773
    @ngwamakai1773 2 года назад

    I’m amazed that after hitting the tress, the B747 still flew to land. Kudos!

  • @skuula
    @skuula 2 года назад +6

    Thanks for the story! As I know Asia, it was not customary for anyone to have any insurances in 1976.. so yes poor guy. The guy in Washington State who lost his almost new car to a flying lump of dead whale was however insured.

    • @lightningdemolition1964
      @lightningdemolition1964 2 года назад +1

      Actually it was Florence oregon. It's amazing no one was hurt in that. Maybe he could do a mini disaster video on that. It does involve a flying whale right?

    • @skuula
      @skuula 2 года назад +1

      @@lightningdemolition1964True, I remembered it wrong ... yes the Whale that Crashed would be great to have!

  • @catherinemorris908
    @catherinemorris908 2 года назад

    Excellent video as always!

  • @torgeirbrandsnes1916
    @torgeirbrandsnes1916 2 года назад

    Great vlog as always! There has also been airplane accidents in Scandinavia too. In 1970/71 a Malev plane crashed short rwy 22 and landed in the drink. The rwy at Gøteborg Torslanda managed to get to two NB DC-6s w/o due to hard landings. This was in the late 60s. A DC-8 landed in the drink in 1969 at LAX due to a burned out light. Heard it before? A russian TU-154 CFIT at LYR/ENSB.

  • @aurtisanminer2827
    @aurtisanminer2827 2 года назад

    I cant believe I missed this one when it came out!

  • @dannyjackson5883
    @dannyjackson5883 2 года назад +2

    This channel is great

  • @dianedenham5259
    @dianedenham5259 2 года назад

    Reminds me of a story my dad told me & mom many years ago. He was an airframe tech at CFB Cold Lake decades ago, just a few years before retirement (at 45). One day they thought they'd lost a jet and its pilot into the bulrushes outside the base. But the pilot pulled it out of the bulrushes (cattails), landed, walked white-faced, without a word, past the guys on the tarmac.

  • @brucebaxter6923
    @brucebaxter6923 2 года назад +3

    Montego Bay is a song that mentions boac

  • @rickbanet4830
    @rickbanet4830 2 года назад +17

    One of our C-130's had a bird strike like this. Unfortunately, the bird was sitting in a tree when it happened.

    • @kolasom
      @kolasom 2 года назад

      Funny!!! 😁
      From a 130 guy!!

    • @rickbanet4830
      @rickbanet4830 2 года назад +1

      @@kolasom Hey - it happened.

    • @kolasom
      @kolasom 2 года назад +1

      @@rickbanet4830 Had a C-141 coming in to RAF Mildenhall in England. They called in an hour out: "Alpha-3 (broke) for deer strike"
      Huh? Bird strike??
      Nope. Deer strike. Was Santa now missing Rudolph? These morons hit a deer on takeoff from Ft Campbell, Kentucky, and then flew across the Atlantic Ocean. The right wheelwell was destroyed.

    • @rickbanet4830
      @rickbanet4830 2 года назад +1

      @@kolasom LOL - Now that there, that's funny.

    • @kolasom
      @kolasom 2 года назад +1

      @@rickbanet4830 The aircrew was grounded. There's no way in hell they should've continued on, knowing they had hit a deer on takeoff. It took us 3 days to repair all the damage to that wheelwell. When it landed there was cooked meat in the brake pads, guts everywhere, and a frozen rack of ribs on the rear wall!! Yummy!!

  • @georgecox2520
    @georgecox2520 2 года назад

    I've flown Flt 888 dozens of times in a 747-400 but different airline (PEK-SFO). In any case, great video. I hadn't heard of this incident. BTW. Check the audio at 5:20 and 5:50. seems contradictory about the Flt Engineer's thoughts about hitting / not hitting the ground.

  • @matthewwolverton9742
    @matthewwolverton9742 2 года назад +19

    I swear every time there's a video about a British carrier it magically ends up relatively intact after a notable incident or crash

    • @ridhwanramzi4773
      @ridhwanramzi4773 2 года назад +6

      I know Right? Such a quirky but lucky airline with great pilots.
      *Flying through volcanic ash & quad engine failure.
      *Cockpit window blowing off and sucking the pilot out.
      *Plane engulfed in flames before take off.
      *Hitting tree tops with the engine.
      *Double engine failure right before landing at Heathrow.
      Sadly, they had their fair share of deadly disasters during the BOAC/BEA days:
      BOAC 911 (destroyed by turbulent air)
      BOAC 781 (inflight break up)
      BEA 548 (pilot error)

    • @Karibanu
      @Karibanu 2 года назад +1

      BA ( strictly ) have only had one fatal accident iirc - the Zagreb midair which I don't think they could have prevented. The Mancheter 737 fire was with a subsidiary ( hence "strictly" ). A remarkably lucky record when there have been a number of crazy near misses...

  • @survivalhealthandhealingtv5651
    @survivalhealthandhealingtv5651 2 года назад

    GREAT JOB...WELL DONE!

  • @ouroboris
    @ouroboris 2 года назад +2

    Yes of course I want to see a video about the near-miss at Nairobi!

  • @Nobilangelo
    @Nobilangelo 2 года назад +5

    Almost rubbered out

  • @casparcoaster1936
    @casparcoaster1936 2 года назад +1

    The 747 can fly through (over the river & through) the woods (to grandmothers house), anytime, day or night!!!! Only Little Red ridinghood, woulda had a problem...

  • @mikemorris3421
    @mikemorris3421 2 года назад

    British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) and British European Airways (BEA) merged in 1973/74 to become British Airways (BA) thus the aircraft livery and other branding took time to be fully unified. Even though they were the same airline they kept different bases at LHR separate crews and aircraft. It took until the 1980s until they had any level of real integration as the routes were heaverly regulated and the aircraft types not suited to the routes of both, the first aircraft that had the versatility to flick between was the Tristar but even that was operated by tech crews from what was called the short haul division (BEA staff).

  • @dimitarivanov3817
    @dimitarivanov3817 2 года назад +18

    The CRM in this case was top at some points. However I think the mishap was obvious and should they made a double check they would have caught that mistake. I am up for all possible videos of yours.

  • @asteverino8569
    @asteverino8569 2 года назад

    Wowie zowie. Great report.
    Yes the Nairobi landing would be good too.