Ellen vs Zhu Yuan : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Zenless Zone Zero
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
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00:00 Current Value
05:00 Future Value
07:18 Alternatives
10:30 Potential
12:54 F2P Comparison
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Zhu Yuan offers better value as you can use her with Nicole = more time of Nicole being onscreen.
But then you can only play with one hand
Exactly my thought process lol
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret
git gud
That decreased her value for me.
Facts
im simply gonna wait until i get my character off of standard banner, if i get lycaon i'll try and get ellen, if i dont i will wait untill near the end of zhu yuan's banner to see whats coming and if i wanna pull her or not, not gonna reroll though.
My thoughts exactly
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Reroll is hell not worth it. I just finished getting Ellen and lycaon and it took me 3 days. 16 account with 3 server each. Got it on Europe server.
Honestly I have 14 hours now, and reroll seems like super boring, I lost 50/50😢.
What a strong resolution, i almost buy cheap acc reroll for ellen lmao
Imo Zhu Yuan has a higher F2P value, as was mentioned Nicole is her best support...that also means you can put in Anby as a Stun character.
Literally you only need to pull for Zhu Yuan, that's it. If anything it also opens up her W-Engine as an option if you really wanna invest.
Ellen can get the Crit value from Frostbite but Nicole gives enemies the Def% debuff which might overall be better
This the video I need . Ellen hype video got me more interest in her . But I wanna use Nicole on teams
7:20 the Nike shade is craaaaaazy. checks over stripes!
Great video though, very informative.
I thought Soukaku was given for free in game for one of the game modes?
She is
Shiyu defense floor 3
That mono ice team with Ellen, Lycaon and Soukaku is very strong and I can't imagine it falling off soon + Miyabi is unlikely to release soon. On the HSR comparison, Seele actually aged well for a first limited character, she performs well in all three gamemodes and can still 0 cycle MoC. So I agree that the best choice is to go for Ellen Joe right now for smoother progression. Her mobility is great too with Roaming State
edit: nvm Miyabi potentially coming in 1.3 it's ellen joever
Venti was a great first limited too
Miyabi could appear even faster than that, i mean in the CBT she was an A rank unit, so its probably comming in 1.1 or 1.2...
At least if they dont change her to S rank
yeah venti was good even until the day I quit, imo saying first banner characters fall off ain't really accurate
@@Bao598 With that one cutscene, I think she's intended to be S rank. Harumasa and Yanagi are rumored to be S rank and they did not stand out as much
@@ozumitsu well it's never the caharcter that falls off it's the enemy that got buffed.
That usually can be solved with supports though.
Going for Ellen personally and hey if I get her W-Engine that can go right on Miyabi too
11:30 Seele and Venti were both first banners while klee and jing yuan were on the other half, i dont think theres a trend here
Genshin’s first limited banner literallly being an archon 😭
11:33 "The second banner tends to be good" .... ?
In HSR we had Jing Yuan, who wasn't even god at release and in Genshin we had Klee, who was also power-creeped pretty fast
In the end it's a hoyo game and it won'T have that high of a ceiling. Just pull the chars you like (aesthetics, gameplay,...)
Meanwhile in Honkai:
@@RavenUwU605But these past 2 games, you can actually clear the content with just a 4 stars. Idk about ZZZ though
@@grumpy_1zzz all 4 stars are good as well
@@TsukatsukiRio Aye Billy does god pp dmg can confirm
I understand that the feeling is to not rush ellen and have some f2p keep their gems for zhu yuan, but some arguments feel pretty cope, like the second banner characters are supposed to be better ? like jing yuan and klee ? it's more like everyone gets powercreeped in hoyo games
I would even argue that with zzz offering more skill expression then a hsr (not saying there's no skill in hsr but it's def more accessible), characters might be viable for longer like in genshin
anyway, great video overall
I think I might go with Ellen since I’m also planning on getting Lycaon AKA wolf Sanji to have synergy and ice attacks are heck op from what I’ve seen so far
Unless you’re going to be dropping hundreds of dollars to get the guaranteed five star off the standard banner (300 pulls) There is no such thing as “planning” to get Lycoan.
@@SyntheticaYT ahhh gotcha sadly to this day i wasn’t able to play the game do to my phone not keeping up but thanks for the info
I was lucky enough to get lycaon and Ellen on ellens banner in like 50 pulls and her w-engine in 20 pulls
@@spookyskeleton3820 similar on my side but I got Ellen in 70 pulls and the w engine in the 30th pull. I still consider that a huge win
FYI nicole fits on any team she is ER battery
thank you for the vid!
It kinda really depends on who my first 5 star is. I want Miyabi, plain and simple. But I wouldn't be surprised if shes around 1.5 or further, maybe into 2.0. So if I get Lycano then I may push for Ellen but if not I'll go for Zhu Yen.
Same boat here. I just the most minimal pull to clear content and would save for her
Might have to reassess this. They kinda nerfed Zhu Yuan's weapon and it sort of changes things. Changed Ether damage to crit rate which I believe is a bad move since we have a lot of sources to get crit but limited sources to get Ether damage which is her primary damage source. It could be fine but we'll see.
@@NARUTOnemesis The crit rate change lowers her ceiling, in theory, but makes her way more consistent, it should be fine. With the amount of crit damage she gets from literally everything, getting as close as possible to 100% crit chance isn't a bad thing when she relies on dealing all her damage in short bursts. Zhu Yuan gets close to 200% crit damage without taking into account disk substats and chaotic metal stacks (assuming you are running chaotic 4 piece and have a crit damage main stat piece 4)
@@hua.. Yeah. After looking into to it further, the 4 pc Ether set with an Ether dmg disk drive (I think it's 5) along with Nicole, she'll be absolutely amazing. I think Zhu Yuan will be in a fantastic spot for her release. I'm already prefarming her mats.
My standard banner first S-agent is Koleda. Right now i'm playing Koleda/Ben/Corin, so i'm looking to replace Corin for a better DPS before i get stuck on lategame stuff. What's the call going forward? Do i pull on any of this patch's banners or do i wait for the next patch?
seeing you have koleda, one good team with her is koleda+lucy+anton all of them will have the faction bonus, besides you get a good balance of stun (koleda), off field suport and sub dps (lucy) and main dps (anton), if you happen to have gotten lucy, you could try wishing 20-30 times on ellens banner, if you get ellen then good luck for you, and if you get anton you have a good team to play
S11 is good do monofire
I'm pulling for Zhu Yuan because of PEW PEW PEW
You clearly need to pull for whichever character you want, heck you can pull for both if you want.
I'm actually going to skip both, but I would recommend you to go for Zhu Yuan, alongside Nicole (and 2 Bangboos) shes the only Ether Character so far, and there are no Ether S-Rank Character from the Permanent Banner
Me also skipping both early games are easy with A ranks and free s rank and we all no they will get power crept
Both are great and it goes to preference and which you want to invest in, if you have Lycaon and Soukaku, you can go for Ellen, otherwise Zhu Yuan because her team is readily available for all players(considering you'd invest in Anby and Nicole)
Pog new vid
Wild I was just curious about Ellen vs ZhuYuan about a few minutes ago. It's like you read my mind 😅
Anyway I'm most likely skipping both banners knowing how Hoyo loves powercreeping their launch limiteds right away. I'll wait for Miyabi, and/or another Raiden expy? XD
SAME
Genshin first banners didn't get powercreep tho, at least not Venti, only Klee, the we got Zhongli which is still the best at what he does
@@itriyum fair enough. Venti took a while before getting powercrept but man is he really a good character even when I quit around inazuma and when kazuha came.
But yeah. I might wait for Miyabi or if any 1.1 or 1.2 characters pique my interest :)
The way I SCREAMED how fast Kafka powercrept Jing Yuan
@@supercowgaming venti technically isnt even powercreeped in the traditional sense, he still is the absolute best grouper in the game, they just made abyss immune to his grouping/not necessary lol.
i just witnessed Miyabi's cutscene in the hollow zero and i know who i'm saving for now instead
wait miyabi is a 5*?? awesome, saving for her now.
Saving my pulls for now. If I somehow get a 3rd standard character, the furry ice dude, I’ll pull for her.
If not, I’ll wait for the next banner.
But then again, with Zhu, I can just pull for her. Coz I got Nicole and Anby for free, it saves my resources for her weapon
Doesn't matter.
They're not going to fool me into using exclusive pulls before Miyabi comes out. I will be strong. The fox-girl needs me. Genuinely want Neko more even if she's in the common pool.
Meta is meta, sure, and mechanically some characters may be optimal, but if you're going to enjoy the game, use the characters you enjoy. These characters have great personality, voicelines and animations, and I'd like to spend my time with the ones that appeal to me rather than those who are mechanically optimal.
I'll still build viable teams with the ones I like, but not going out of my way for people I'm not interested in.
both between Zhu Yuan and Ellen was worth 😊
I just want the pink haired lady from Miyabis faction 😭
Real
W vid as always
Is Zhu Yuan with Nicole and Grace a good team? I like Ellen's design but i'll pull her in her rerun.
It'll be an all-ranged unit type of team. It's an okay setup, but having a melee unit for dodges is really helpful. Also Zhu Yuan needs stun and neither Nicole nor Grace do that. So... I'd probably put Grace and Zhu Yuan in different teams
I think there is reason why mihoyo wants to make a good start with a good character. It is to widen the audience exposure to the game content rapidly, so that users can experience almost or all of it and be compelled to spend more for subsequent banners. This makes economic sense. If by what you are saying the character remains valid for 6 months - it is actually worth the price of investing in it.
The issue also about mihoyo games is that you can decide how much you want to play and how involved. If you want to be competitive, you will need to spend. i.e. become a whale. Not a problem to those who can afford it. For those who can't - then you have to find ways to play the game your way.
The trouble with people is that they start to envy and get greedy or start to covet what they don't have. Gaming - both amateur and professional gaming - requires alot of discipline. It requires even more discipline if you are competitive.
I am a season player in Honkai Impact 3 and i am frequently in the top 100 in abyss. I speak with experience. And yes i am a whaler but i spend smartly
honkai impact is the only game under mihoyo with a "competitive" aspect
Remember ladies and gentlemen he said this is his personal opinion which mean the final choice is yours (in case people skip the last part)
Wait you put miyabi on anomali? Means she's confirmed to be anomaly?
Lost 50/50 to rina. I have lycaon T_T. Should i still pull or just stick with lycaon rina anton
thats a pretty good team if you wanr to wait for miyabi
Zhu yuan all the way! because i love characters with tactical suits. Like my all time fave character Leon kennedy and Big Boss Snake.
Whichever I got first I'll fully invest in, just like when I got Grace😊
I was planning to get Zhu Yuan then save for Miyabi… until I saw the guy in Section 6 and the cat guy(?) in Zhu Yuan’s squad (I forgot the name). Thank god the devs are catering to husbando enjoyers a little too 😭
Zhu Yuan team because her VA is Maria Inoue (Elysia HI3)
i will be saving for Zhu Yuan cuz of gyatt
The answer is Grace
i’ve lost the 50/50 in ellen’s banner with soldier 11, i’ve lycaon and koleda who should i pull😭
Well, if you have Soldier and Koleda, you can add Ben to make a solid team and save your rolls for future
Probs save polychromes for later banner characters would be a better idea
I remember people put jing yuan above seele in the early days of hsr, it was funny.
If i get wolfboy from beginner bunner - i go for sharkgirl. If not - other girl.
And no, sharkgirl can't be long term investment, when you later on get guaranteed wolf from 300 pulls. After 6 months all 1.0 characters will be powercrept to the ground, who cares.
Is known when Zhu Yuan will be available?
Skipping Ellen Joe, Miyabi + Lycaon = Vergil? Good enough for me
ellen reminds me of when seele first came out. Look where she is now.
ellen, zhu yuan and nicole are abt to be my team
Koleda from the beginner banner, Ellen from my first 10 pull, Ellen's weapon after 40 pulls on weapon banner, and Shark boo came early at 30 pulls. I am kinda in an odd spot right now because I need another DPS, and I don't have one and pulling more doesn't make sense right now (more characters tend to be beneficial in games like this compared to WuWa where you really were pretty squared away out of the gate).
Imo, Ellen's super dash cuts the time when going from one battlefield to another.
(Didnt watch the video just wanted to comment my opinion so if he said any of this mb)
As of right now Ellen is the better character to pull for since her team ranges more with one of her best team comps already being in game. Although Zhu still solos by herself but not at ehr best potential since Nicole is really the only GOOD character paired with her that could do her good, so yes rn Ellen is better but later on Zhu will be better than Ellen.
But this is what I would do: pull on the discounted banner I think its discounted and see if you get Lycaon, if you do I would pull for Ellen since your pretty much set with just them 2 even better fi you get the blue A rank girl. If you dont I would personally wait and see the next upcoming characters is after Zhu Yuan and if you like them skip both banners if you dont like them pull for Zhu Yuan or skip the banners and save up.
Ima go for Zhu Yuan though because I like Nicole
why can’t my character banner luck be as good as my bangboo luck
mine is as worse in both banner
My answer who to pull for will be: first gonna pull for Ellen, then gonna pull for Zhu Yuan when she reruns
I think the usage of words and implications might be misleading. A character falling off and not being at their peak with a new addition replacing them at their element and role doesn't make much of a difference if they still get the job done. I don't see Ellen becoming "not worth the investment" just because she's not in the top 1 spot anymore in 6 months to a year. She'll likely stay relevant for much longer than that, even if she ends up being 30 seconds slower than Miyabi in Shinyu Defense.
My only question is where did miyabi go 😢
She is probably gonna release in later patches just like ayaka who was also in the beta for genshin but disappeared till inazuma.
@@zawiyar8790i think its more like kafka/blade
I think 2.0 if she's a raiden equivalent of zzz.
@@supernieva2419she isn’t lmao
I'll just make my account the narc account and only pull for the cops military and TOPS people :p
I love zhu yuan design, but ellen joe is my type 👍
if you have ellen you dont even need a team you can just solo everything i m at lvl37 and i have her team with lycaon but most of time i fell like she doesnt need a team well it depends on your skill too i played pgr from day 1 so i am enjoying this game now not the early game though too much tv
nah, saving for miyabi
in my opinion the trend for mihoyo's first characters are usually better than second ones even in the long run. i mean venti is definitely better than klee still and i think seele is still better than jingyuan
neither saving for miyiabi
I've only got Lycaon and Rina as 5*, should I try to get Ellen or wait until Zhu Yuan?
Honestly your in a good position you could go for Ellen or Zhu and be well off
I got Grace instead of Lycaon, so what’s your opinion on replacing him with Anby for your example Ellen team?
Also, what’s the most efficient rotation for generating and spending Ellen’s stacks?
Anby is perfectly fine, she's great at stunning enemies and has fast attack combos
For Ellen, you basically never want to attack without stacks, always find a way to stack 3 before doing the 3 attack combo, always hold the third attack when possible
The important tip about the scissors charged attack is that it can charge significatly faster after a quick assist (usually triggered by your support character's skill) or after a perfect dodge
how about weapon? if i may ask
The w-engine? If you plan to build an ice DPS then pull for it, you can use it for miyabi too since is an ice dps, and in the CBT she was an A rank so her signature could work way worse than the Ellen
why does onga bonga remind me of aku aku from crash bandicoot
What comes to mind is how much venti fell off. It’s scares me to pull on Ellen but idk she might age well
Is miyabi better than Ellen?
The game also only has 3 character on a banner. This makes saving pulls even more important since it seems like we are going to get less character and less pulls than compared to a game like HSR.
Im waiting for miyabi
Im already got ellen,should i gacha for zhu yuan too or just focus on ellen?
If you already have a balanced team with Ellen, I advice you to just save for either Jane or Miyabi and skip Zhu. Focus on your main agent/s for now because farming resources at higher levels were freaking hell. Watch some vids on how to farm efficiently for upgrading to avoid wasting resources and opportunities.
imagine to play a gacha waifu/husbando collector game for investment value
You get more rewards in the long run making you pull more characters, it's just that easy to be f2p in these kinds of games, invest well early on or keep saving until a better unit comes out
Wasn’t Miyabi a A Rank character the last time she was playable?
arent both atk characters, so by gacha game logic both gonna be at the very least gonna get outperformed, the longer the game goes on. unless they supports. just go for who you like. already got m2r1 ellen so ima get the cop too. dont matter if i need to swipe. also 2nd banner are good? jingyuan and klee? most people who play hsr and gi not really losing sleep on missing out on those two
Zhu Yuan gang rise up
I lost 50/50 on Ellen's banner, so I basically have no choice anymore.
Both EZ SKIPS. All in for Miyabi 🦊
I don't want either of them. I'm going to continue to struggle along with my absolutely zenless Lycaon/Ben/Billy team until Mihoyo releases another male unit worth simping over.
Yeah I don't think I could have worse team synergy here if I tried.
Its not the worst team ever 'w' Ben is slept on, he has some insane dmg values for some of his attacks, and Lycaon is decent dmg as well, he was my main dps before Ellen.
The only thing you'd have to worry about is Shiyu Defense and the later stages, you need really good element buildup
Imma resist pulling even tho i have lycaon and go for team that synergizes with lucy i think when more of her group are released
got Lycaon but fucking missed my 50/50......
Gee idk. The big tiddy shark goth maid girl or the other one. Gosh i just don’t know. If only there was something about one or the other that could tip the scales.
Ellen Joe because Zhu Yuan is a boring human cop and Ellen Joe is a shark maid with a big tail.
I got ellen and her weapon so I want zhu yuan now 💀
not addicted btw 😂 relatable
@@MechaStorm7 😂😂
idc, I pick my fav and she's Ellen
same
REAL🗣️🗣️
Same!!!
then why are you in this video's comments lmao
@@moonscorn8141 yeah it's a bit weird how people do that. Why watch a video like this if you already know who you're pulling for, especially after claiming to not care about who offers more value, which is the entire point of the video 💀
zhu has a great booty but ellen looking down on you is peak so i went for ellen.
Both's hot
6:23 Jing Yuan value was increased only once - with Sparkle release, but instantly got powercrept by Acheron in next patch.
Acheron powercreeps literally every character with her damage ceiling as she is the anniversary character. In the flip side, her team is expensive and not easy to build.
@@andrinaleong4079 what team is expensive? You only need like 1 event nihility character(SW/BS/new fox boy). 2 other slots are Pela and literally any preservation char with fire dot cone/gallagher.
And originally in the first comment I was saying about damage element. Both Acheron and Jing Yuan do aoe electro damage. What I meant is not only damage, but the role.
@@andrinaleong4079what expensive lol follow up are the expensive one not acheron team
Yeah but Aventurine is the best sustain rn for alot of teams, including Acheron team@@naufalsyauqifillah6388
bro forgot about fu xuan ig
Shark > Human , easy pick
In the future, Ellen Joe could end up becoming the Seelee from hsr, but in ZZZ
When are we getting zhu yuan?
2 weeks
It’s wild that folks think Seele is shit now. Having played HSR without Seele and recently having played WuWa Jiyan that initial curve is so smooth when you have the 5-Star from the start. They get their reruns the fastest so your account actually keeps getting stronger with additional investment minus farming all over again for a new unit. Seele is still one of the DPS units if not the best and still clears content comfortably when built right. Zhu Yuan is hot af but if I’m looking to push vertically Ellen is the much better bet
Tbf low invest seele in pretty shit, i think mono quantum seele is probably bottom 3 dps, only better than blade and yj.
But sustainless seele is still insane (especially with robin e1 and sparkle e2), but not many people play sustainless and most still think that vertical invest sucks which is why the majority of hsr players think that seele is bad now.
@@sarettodn5708 Mhmm. I don’t blame people for shelving seele and not choosing to invest dupes into her. Meta in HSR evolves fast and will always value building new archetypes (e.g., break, DoT) that cater to new gamemodes (PF & AS) over building older characters. Of course, that doesn’t mean they’re completely obsolete, but you will have a harder time clearing content.
@@SomaStory you wouldnt invest into seele dupes anyway as seele has the worst eidolons in the game, the actual way to vertical seele is to get e1 robin and e2 sparkle and then get robin and seele sig.
Vertical invest is king in this game, once you have a bunch of eidolons and sigs you can bruteforce any moc/pf very easily, much more easily than using an on element dps.
Vertical invest sucks in AS though (which is one of the reasons why the mode sucks), as that mode was literally made to shill horizontal invest, that is true.
I dont blame people at all for prefering horizontal over vertical though, ultimately horizontal is more fun and will still get you max rewards, for the average player there is no reason to vertical invest.
@@sarettodn5708Thing is if I want to whale out a char, Acheron and FF exist. Both are much better than Seele, in terms of dps and versatility. You essentially get 2 rainbow units, that deal with single target and AoE content easily.
@@sarettodn5708 Jing Yuan is significantly better than Seele in MOC.
If f2p just play your free 5star and enjoy the game. Summon limited on 1.2 or 1.3 cause powercreep is real.
Personally zhu yuan offers better value for me because she's *_stacked_* 😭🙏🙏
Ether = gyatt
I mean its a Gatcha Game and Im a Day1 Genshin player with No login Miss and with all these years I have seen the pattern i.e.
Deluc, Xiao, Hu tao, Ayaka, Alhaitham, Arlecchino, Neuvillette.
So it better to get Ellen Joe Now and then when time comes... move onn to next because they will follow the trend above.
And somehow you forgot the most broken ice character to support your point Ganyu. She powercrept everyone when she came out.
@@idonotmakevidsyet National was always better than Ganyu teams. The only time it wasn't was when they had leyline disorders catered to freeze and like slowing water to make Ganyu look better than she was. Taser performed worse, but still better than Ganyu, who had to move on to a cope melt team that absorbed two of the best characters in the game at the time. That's despite the addition of rosaria and diona to support freeze teams. And yet reverse melt rosaria was able to clear the hardest content in the game, so it didn't matter if you pulled Ganyu or not. She was never broken, and is a weak character except when hoyo forces her into meta. Venti was the one who carried Morgana teams and is honestly the best example of forced power creep because he only works when Hoyo permits him to. The difference is that he actually adds incredible value when he works, unlike Ganyu who was just baiting you to use better characters in teams they work worse in.
you say Klee had a better long term value than Venti? :O
Why to pull Zhu Yan over Ellen? Cop girl has crazy cake.
Seconddd
Gacha player be lyke: i dojt care im pulling dps 🤪🤪
Ellen is basically Seele. She is great but need good relics to do anything and you will probably have better easier to use units very soon.
Shame there's no characters that's like : I want them, so for now I'll just get whoever and build them, and save up for someone I care about in the future. I know HoYo can do fun characters, it's just a matter of time.
It is always a magter of time. I'm not sure how it was for you, but early hoyogame banners have never been very interesting for me. Venti and klee for genshin, and seele and jing yuan for hsr. Subsequent banners brought out bangers though with zhongli and kafka. I'm sure this game will be the same with interesting characters introduced and hyped in the actual story.
why fight for them when you can get both of them and put them in the same team
The answer is to wait and see for 1.1 characters... It's plain and simple.
no no no wait for 1.2 characters
@@Evan-ru6ro and wait for 1.3 characters
@@Marimo00101.4 it is
Both are waifus so I C6 R5 both ez answer