I miss her lines in every song, so calming at times, so perfectly aligned with the melody. She blended (and still would blend) well with the rest of the group. One of a kind, really.
@@michelrodrigues5686 Singing voices are complex constructs. It's understandable that you're this ignorant, but I recommend you learn more about stylistic vocal techniques before mouthing untrue statements.
I feel like if you have actually read the whole book, you would know that it was far from shading the other 8 members but rather a sad tale of how the industry and company pitted the girls against each other. For every time an “antagonist” (e.g. Lizzie, Mina) did something, she would further elaborate why and how it could’ve made them react or felt that way. And I’m quite sure all of us who have actually read the whole thing can make out which events actually did happen. It’s just a sad book, really. And truly, reading comprehension is a dying art in this generation
YES! People whine a lot abt this book and the so called "inmaturity, unproffesional attitude, pettines and bitterness" of Jessica 😶 but they didn't even read the book, like how?? Read it first, it's really really sad. The book made me realize that Jessica and her former members are not villains, they're all victims of fame, money, SM, sexism, Korea's conservative views and competitiveness, etc. So heartbreaking! 💔
@@novytaariefiana326 Long story short She wanted to be independent (having her own company) + being in GG. But SM hates that, so if artist is doing something alone they re banning. They don't want ex-artists to be popular and earn money without their guidance.
@@atsushisakurai7849so basically she's ahead of that time. She thinks far and the company stop her. See what happen now everyone doing business having their own company while still remain in their group under such contracts and agreement.
I think there's a grain of truth in her book, but it's not everything we need to know to make a conclusions about that situation. There definitely was some kind of conflict between the members, but we can't be sure of who's right and who's wrong. At least we should know another side of the story to make an opinion and shouldn't spread the rumors based on fictional story. Anyway this is interesting, thank you for sharing~ I can imagine feelings of other GG members though, when their controversial past suddenly popped up...
Yeah, you know as much as I’m a fan of SNSD, they’re all just human beings with their own problems and flaws. It wouldn’t be surprising if their personalities didn’t mesh that well for a long time before the split. And it doesn’t have to be the fault of any one of them. I don’t blame Jessica for wanting to tell her story but ultimately I can’t really trust her to give a fully unbiased version of the events. It’s possible that everything in the book did happen but she left out other stuff that would make her look a little less innocent.
I actually think that what she wrote could be true. But she wrote it in a way that made it clear (at least to me) that she would have still wanted to go back and that what happend was something that was not a forever thing. It just sounds like "this is what happend back then because of misunderstandings and fights. I still miss these days though"
Well the past has a way of always coming back to confront you directly in the face until you resolve it with Love. Hopefully the 9 girls can resolve it with love and forgive everything. That's the way we truly move forward - which is releasing all judgment and condemnation towards ourselves and all persons. It can be tough though.
As a longtime fan of SNSD, it's really heartbreaking for me to be left in the dark about what transpired between them back in 2014. It felt like they made their decisions and we were forced to swallow the results back then that led fans and non-fans alike to create their own speculations. It's also weird for me that SM just let their biggest group at that time (if not counting EXO, who has already garnered huge following but also has gone through a problem in May that year and in October days after 9/30) be drag into a scandal like that. In terms of activities, I do not know what activities they were saying Jessica missed back then because I remember TTS promoting Holler, Sooyoung with her drama, and the news that they all renewed their contracts with SM, I guess we'll never know. But things have changed, I still long for the day that I will be able to see them standing together in one frame but right now, I am happy and contented that they are still active in the industry and are doing the things they love. No matter what, my support for these 9 girls will remain.
The activities thing was just a cover up everyone was busy and snsd covered for each other all the time. Mess happened and they clearly didnt plan ahead. Again SM and jessica worked out royalties it was the Members. And they had to swallow missing jessica with their performances the era after she was kicked out was messy as hell remember how much Tiffany got dragged.
@@xrrgr @xrrgr I'm sorry if it came out wrong but I'm referring to what I felt and my friends with SM's actions regarding the issue back then not the girls because we all know they could not really do anything about it.
This whole thing is sad- the kpop industry is so toxic and even some of the idols take after the behavior. We will truly miss her as a member of girls generation (If u hate the group pls don't be under this comment only because y'all been starting too much drama. Also PUUURRR 800+ likes)
Actually honestly, its normal. I don’t think its even a kpop issue its human issue. Workplace also have politics and conflicts such. Idols are also human their company too. People see things differently and will have conflicts.
I actually watched the IGAB MV today and had to quit early because I legit started crying. Given that OT9 was what made my life tolerable, it pains me. SM though is really petty honestly. When they started that contest for the GG anniversay book they highlighted that SNSD is "8" members. They literally highlighted the 8. I gagged seeing that. Well I love all of them wether it's OT9, OT8 or solo artists. And I will make a Girl's Generation inspired birthday cake for myself as Gee was released on my birthday as well 💖 and it will be an OT9 cake
@@mangamama9881 SM firing Jessica from the group was both a business mistake and a disservice to the fans. SM blacklisting her is just their usual lack of morality and goodness. But no one can escape Karma. It eventually catches up to everyone. We should make sure our Karma is good and therefore good things will come back to us.
Jessica being removed from GG was one of the worst moments I’ve had. Tears flowed. It took me many months before I could listen to them again. GG is my heart, and it was a knife to the heart. The only thing worse was losing a Shinee member. Did I say I hate SM!
It doesn't make sense to hate SM. What the Girls' Generation members and Jessica want each other is Dalat, Jessica brought about. It's very sad that a SHINee member passed away, but SM is running mental counseling. care is being taken Other than that, I can't control people's minds! Foreigners only know a part of it and spread it, so they don't know it well, so they unconditionally blame SM. It's already imprinted, so whatever they do, it's their fault. For example, SM is so big and influential and there are many artists, so it is more exposed to the public and becomes a hot topic, but rumors are generated and people are hurt by what they say. This is not SM, please be aware of this!!
At that time I remember feeling very confused about the departure. I thought that it was Jessica's choice. Little did I knew that SM where so vicious with her and her private life as well as with the rest of the members. It took me literally zero seconds to realise that Jessica was choosing freedom. She was betrayed by the members who could benefit from her leaving and those who didn't dare to speak out for her. Under those circumstances, I would choose to leave too. No one was loyal with no one. They blame her for choosing her before anything but any other would have done the same in her spot. I'm glad Jessica is doing good.
EDIT: Y'all, just because I think SM isn't a great company doesn't mean I think all other companies are perfect goody-goody-gumdrops from Heaven. Obviously, other companies with bad behavior exist, don't nitpick my comment just because you think SM is "better". The only thing SM, along with some other sucky companies, are "better" at is tricking people into thinking they're good and care for their idols for anything other than money. That's why people get kicked from companies when they didn't actually do anything wrong, it's because the companies lose money or don't benefit from the artists and decide to get rid of them so they can focus on the artists that do make them money. Can't believe I have to clarify this. This is why, no matter how many great artists come from SM and how many good things they might do, I can't trust or respect SM as a management company. I'm so glad that Jessica has found a great loophole to express her thoughts, feelings, and her perspective of what happened. I know Jessica says it's pure fiction, buuuuut as you said, it's likely just to save face and stay within the legal limits.
I mean.. the way they treated F(x)... Or the Chinese members. It says a lot about them lol. Even Seohyun and Tiffany didn't like the company. They can't do their own business, or if they do, SM needs to have a cut or else they would reject it. It's honestly sad how much they are restricted and sacrifice a lot of their life.
Pfff no company is without it's issues. YG, JYP, HYBE, CUBE etc. To go around and just not trust or respect a company is ridiculous. They all have dirt on their hands one way or another
Okay im confused? I understand the company did some messed up shit as well but this video is about IDOLS bullying orther idols? Like you just gone skip over that? I hate SM too but SM didn't tell taeyeon to talk shit about Jessica's sister😂
Not only Krystal but also all the f(x) members have a very short training period. Amber once said that the average training period is 2 and half years and all the other groups have at least an average of 5 years of the training period. Also, she said that she is very sorry for other trainees who have a very long training period and who couldn't debut. Also, all the f(x) members were scouted due to their appearance and also dance skills but not for singing. They developed their singing after came to SM and debuted quickly because of their hard work.
SM made them to be an experimental group, which they were.. But sadly, just been abandoned when they brought out other groups like Red Velvet, NCT, Asepa. Amber and the other members (especially Amber) wanted to create more music but the company didn't really cared
@@ad_kk16 well aespa is their new “experimental” group and tbh I kinda feel like they’ll get the same treatment cause on one hand I feel as though they were kind of based after blackpink. I’m not a blackpink fan but wouldn’t it be a perfect time to release a new girl group (unprepared and rushed one) during a hiatus of one of the top 3 girl groups?? 👀
I was shocked when she left the group. She had such a distinctive voice. It’s been almost 10 years and I feel the truth should come out. It’s not going to change how I feel about any of the gals because I honestly feel none of them probably had much say in the matter. It would just be nice to know what happened.
She was KICKED OUT. As per the book it says that 8 members already made up their mind ( to remove her) and one girl(T) spoke up that she's (J) busy during the rehearsaland (J) feel betrayed.
@@hexxa3072 we don't know both side or multiple side of the story. It's true that she was kicked out. SM must have something on her or vice versa for everything to escalate like that.
@@notmyname3556 Its already so obvious, the story says that the other members complained about her and said that if she performed, they won't be part of it,so instead of letting down her fashion business ,she quit and was being kicked out of sm!.Although it is a fiction novel,u can tell that most of it is based on the real incident
@frey why are people shock that people are blaming Taeyeon . I remember when news came out about jessica getting kicked out of sm during 2014 guess whos name came TAEYEON not only but , sooyoung and hyoyeon came up during that time.
In the latest show of snsd, which is I forgot, hyoyeon talked about how she wanted to talk about certain things, about certain members but yeah, they weren't allowed.
Honestly I would be very disappointed in Taeyeon and Sooyoung if they were mean to Krystal out of jealous. However I wouldn't be surprised, the industry is so competitive and cut throat, many if not most of the idols must have internalized these attitudes.
At the end of the day, these are people whom we don't know. Put your love for the idol aside and look at what the humans have done. She must have felt hurt and betrayed by the people she loved dearly, it is her right to tell the story that she feels she has experienced. I've loved SNSD since I was a kid, and 9/30 was something nobody could have ever expected. I hope someday she can return to the stage and not fear what lies behind closed doors. For those simply looking for drama, do your own research but keep a civil tone. We may never know the truth or how anyone in the situation was feeling, but what I do know is that this company failed her, and they failed all the other girls as well. I can only hope for the best and for fair treatment to any new groups emerging into the industry.
Being hurt does not make her the victim, if we are being fair her bussiness is linked , affected by and gives profit to Tyler so of course there is a conflict of interest thay could affect them and make them loose deals and reputation , he has a bad street cred and they were the biggest GG .... she just wanted to keep her man and the group even if others were affected, just from her book you can tell how far up his ear she is and how everyone around her starting by him , acted like the girls just had to take it and put up with what made her happy ... that and taking the fact that she portays herself as the breadwinner, multitalented , overworked one while everyone just is in constant owe and jealousy just shows the level of bitterness and delusion she has all this while at the same time still profiting of their names, i swear my main bias is so careful to even mention the fandom and group and just refer to them as My fans, my love, etc to avoid them any unhapiness or pulling their strings even when she was facing bad people and the GP was on her side she never has used the brand more than to give back or says how grateful she is on and only on happy days but jess uses it to throw everyone including soshibond under the bus.
@@Youtubing4time Is there a victim here? And is it between the girls? No. The company failed to manage to resolve these issues within the group. They are the *management*, that is their *job*.
@@ggobugi13 is hard when the person is lacking self awareness and is so far up her alledgely con man boyfriend as Princess Rachel seems to be from the excerpts shown from the book, she telling her mom he was the one and her person and her mom saying im happy for you daughter when she basically lost her sisterhood and job just to co owned this flop of company that is in red numbers since 2016 with him is just the trainwreck i never expected
The other 8 didn’t feel hurt and betrayed? Nothing is stopping her from being on stage. She only got blacklist on Korean music show. She can still make music and promote on sns and… y’all act like Korean music show is the only place to promote
@@orbies but then she has to sing live and dance, things she never liked to do unless force to after debut or has she released or sang more than a versus live after leaving?
I feel like Jessica has the right to tell her story since she went through it with such a backlash that i feel she can tell her side. She had to move on alone which was probably devastating for her.
Believe what you want to believe but the fact remains: Jessica's got balls 💪🏼 Imagine finding a loophole on an NDA. I'm taking it with a grain of salt because there were a lot of missing info but no one can deny that this move is absolutely BIG BRAIN.
It's not right to conclude why she left from what she wrote in the book. It might not even be about snsd and even if it is, It's only her side of the story. We probably will never know what really happened, but that doesn't give anyone the right to spread "proof" of why she left, when it'snot even confirmed. It's not fair towards the other members, who are now being attacked all over again because of her side of the story. I'm not saying that what she writes is not true, but as long as nothing is confirmed, which probably won't happen, we shouldn't draw conclusions.
I personally believe there’s truth to how she got kicked out in the book. It lines up with the deleted dispatch article that was released. As for the cattiness in the books, I don’t really care about whatever beef Jessica and the other girls had between them, that’s their business. I just don’t understand why the SNSD members were so against Jessica’s fashion line especially when each member was doing their own thing at the time. And I don’t understand the need to kick her out. Like, besides the Lion Heart saga and the 10 year anniversary album, SNSD really didn’t do much together anyways so it makes sense Jessica was planning for her future outside of SNSD.
Asian people never confront things directly. So yeah, probably a lot of jealousy towards her and one of the other girls was sleeping with an executive and got him to oust her.
@@Sanjay-dk4fo Dispatch released an article on 9/30, that sides with Jessica's 2 statements and book but was deleted almost immediatly. Thank goodness there are screenshots of it, you should look it up. That actually explains why SM didn't go for Jessica's throat publicly like they did with CBX with the lawsuit and all. The article would've forced SM and SNSD to go under fire but sadly SM paid Dispatch enough for them to substitute it with the one were supposed insiders justified Jessica being outed. Something similar to what Blockberry tried to do to Chuu but the articles were already viral, so even when Dispatch deleted them and posted one blaming chuu, they received the backlash.
@@zootsoot2006 One of the girls was sleeping with an executive? Who, say the name. Or are you scared of getting sued by SM? I don't think they will read this comment in youtube 😂
Just Mad respect for SNSD's current members for staying quiet. We never heard anything from them. I know it pains to keep quiet when people accused you and your old member making shady hints and all before but the members esp taeyon really didnt put the pressure to make statement about what happened. After all these years, SNSD remained professional. Even after Seohyun, Sooyoung and tiffany left, they still respected the privacy of all the members including jessica. There were times I pity jessica but I realized, we dont know the whole history. It's 8 vs 1 and we are not kids anymore to take 1 side only. All 9 members are doing great right now so this scandal will never ruin the remaining members. They are even more succesful than they were before doing their own activities. I guess SNSD's reputation is really solid that scandals like this can never tear them.
lol you say that but people are already sending hate to taeyeon again. it doesn't ruin her career, but she breathes and people are sending death treaths to her, so it does ruin her every single time.
" people want to hear what they want to hear.they wanna believe what they want to believe ,they wanna see what they want to see .so its useless giving explanations from our side " -Taeyeon - That's why I love King Taeyeon
OT8 not saying anything also could be because of the label value. SNSD has value that they can profit from. If one of the members gets in trouble, that decreases the value. For that reason companies and members try to keep away from talking about anything scandalous. OT9 will ALWAYS be SNSD and I find it weird that Jessica speaks about what happened on 9/30 considering it also affects the profit that she makes from being associated to that label and because what she's telling damages SNSD.
Well, I love the girls... but we can't deny that many of them gained A LOT with Jessica out, specially Tiffany, YoonA, and TaeYeon... Jessica wasn't the leader, or main vocal, neither the visual, but she used to stand out. I thought she was the leader/visual when I came to know the group. She might not have the most powerful/stable voice, but her timbre was SO distinct... She was like a vocals glue, I miss her in SNSD.
jessica was a main vocalist alongside taeyeon. sooyoung also benefitted from her departure, she started having more lines in their songs and got some of jessica's lines.
@@elriane94 ofc they were, I'm not saying were not. I'm just they gained more spotlight after she leitor. More screen time, more lines, they tried to erase her. In my opinion, she's not blacklisted by SM, since they allowed Jessica have her brand along with being a SNSD member, and they allow their artists to use BLANC & ECLAIRE.
OT8's logic: u Jessica should never tell any story against other 8.. if only SM is the one has problem with Jessica. why the rest 8 stopped talking to her ever since. especially three who have left SM..
Don't forget that in every situation, there are multiple sides. In this case, (1) Jessica, (2) SNSD, (3) SM, and (4) the Truth. We also should not take her book as completely her side. It's still a book and it needs to sell. So there might be exaggeration to hype up the conflicts. We also need to remember who made the final decision, SM. Remember, at the end of the day, SM is a business and their end game is to make money. They had two choice. (1) keep Jessica and suffer a scandal that could damage SNSD's reputation which would lead to money loss (2) take the risk of kicking out their most popular member which could also damage SNSD's reputation and money loss. They would obviously pick the less risky choice and for them to pick the latter means Jessica staying was a higher risk for SM
SM made the wrong choice. They miscalculated and lost a lot of money because of it. SM would have made A LOT more money if they kept Jessica. Even if a scandal did surface. Idols and companies survive scandals all the time and bounce back. Often times because they are able to manage the scandal in a clever way. But when you lose one or more very popular members you are going to lose considerable money. Especially if it is a group like SNSD and a member like Jessica. SM also made the morally wrong decision. Which is typical of SM and companies.
@@brianlittrell797 All parties in this situation have made a wrong choice. We know SM groups have had issues with each, even to the point of physical fights (Leeteuk- Heechul/Minho/Key) but that never resulted in a member being kicked out. So for SNSD to have just come off the success of Mr Mr, getting ready for a Japanese comeback, Tokyo Dome concert, and Asia tour (basically still at the peak of their career), and SM still decided to kick Jessica out means something. They decided the loss of money from Jessica leaving & the potential loss of SNSD's career wasn't as significant as Jessica staying. So, Jessica had to have done something irrevocable for SM to make that final call and it most likely wasn't her fashion pursuit since she'd claimed they supported it up until she was kicked out.
@@lilyrose0116 Maybe. Maybe not. It's possible that some of the parents pressured SM into the decision to kick her out. I also believe it is possible that SM changed their minds about supporting Jessica's business and then asked the SNSD members to pressure Jessica into choosing between her business and her SNSD job. When Jessica refused to choose I think SM decided to just fire her. Which sounds petty and spiteful but I think SM is capable of being petty and spiteful. One thing seems clear, Jessica did something that pissed off SM which is why they not only fired her from the group but banned/blacklisted her. I think SM did the wrong thing because they have a reputation of behaving in a very questionable way and they seem morally lacking and deceptive.
@@brianlittrell797 and for them to not reveal anything makes everything wrong but whatever path they choose itll be wrong i mean after kicking her out and then not telling the truth would make people talk about it even until now because snsd is a well known group obvi and then on the other hand if they did tell the truth that it wouldnt be better either since people would start hating on the girls. No better choices and yeah this is business so they had to choose. For now lets assume the video is right. For example like you said what if they kept her, they could've solve it out but they didn't because one would retaliate and by keeping her it would cause more problem. I was just wondering if they had a better close bond and talk it out maybe things could work out? Side note: i lit just say i wont say anything but now i did 😭
I’ve been a soshi for over 10 years and Jessica leaving is something I’ll never get over. I just hate how even today the girls all keep quiet about it. I hope some day in the future the girls can be public about their friendship with Jessica.
@@anhphi100 so sad even the member support jessica in private and talk indirectly on the show referred jessica as a friend.. Example sunny gave some word to jessica indirectly through radio show. We know what she talk about Jessica but the management didn't allowed that.. And jessica talk about yuri as friend during interview..
I believe they are legally forced to it that is why she can't even being mentioned haven't you seen how nervous they get when they mention the 9 or Siva in some way?
I remember the hate Taeyeon (and to an extent Tiffany) received back in 2014 was so bad, like death threats level bad. It was just after the Baekyeon reveal too so she received so much abuse. They're consequences to stuff like this, all to make a bit of publicity. Im sure there is some truth to this but also truth from the other side too.
People might have forgotten that Photo of Tiffany covering a crying Taeyeon outside an Asian Airport sometime after 9/30. Witnesses said that someone allegedly spit at Taeyeon and ushered death threats. SM said they were going to look into it, but that was last time it was mentioned. Taeyeon really suffered alot. It sucks that "Fans" are ready to attack her based on "she said".
Unfortunately that’s the dark side of K-pop entertainment industry. You can’t speak up, just shut up, do as your told, loose weight, don’t date and wear tight dress and smile on camera. I’m glad Jessica is exposing the K-pop industry of how they treat their artists. but for Taeyeon, she can’t speak up because she is the cash cow of SM entertainment and doesn’t want to tarnish her reputation.
idk what actually happened with the girls and jessica but it is interesting that she decided to write a whole series about her members painting them in a bad light and sending them new waves of hate when they’re not able to share their side of the story.
Probably it's not because they couldn't share their side of stories. But they choose to stay silent and move forward without looking back. Perhaps there are some truths that they actually did something to Jessica just how it told in the book and they do felt the guilt towards her. Which is why by not saying anything to make things worse is probably the best decisions they made. I mean after all they spend only God knows how many years being together as a group and the good memories GG members had with her might be that one reason why they need to stay silent. I mean imagine all GG members saying their side stories and guess what's gonna happen next?? Medias, fans from both sides and non-fans will started to speculate things and everything is going to be worse and things will never go back to how it used to be. (Just like what we did right now.. 😅) we as outsiders only can speculate things as we are not involved in their timeline when the controversies happened and we are not there to see/witness what's the beef between them.
@@ellskystar3873 they’re all still signed to SM in some capacity so i don’t think that it’s fully their choice to stay silent. You’re also right that the other girls sharing would make things worse which is exactly why i respect them even more because even if they could have subtly said something abt her book they haven’t. There definitely is some truth to Jessica’s story i don’t doubt it but i also think it’s skewed (obviously) by her negative emotions that she rightfully felt at the time. I just think it’s a bit sad that Jessica has stated she doesn’t want to be associated with SNSD anymore yet writes “fiction” books that are obviously about them. If her experience with the girls toward the end was not the best but she misses them and hopes to reunite with them one day as a group as she says in the book why would she write multiple books making them out to be bad people? at the end of the day we’ll never know what happened as you said but to me seeing their difference in response to the situation speaks volumes.
@@donkisot6275 she probably knew that when she signed her contract. also she’s doing really well in china right now didnt she just join a group and is getting ready to debut again?
@Lee Chaeryeong sm likely included a clause in her contract when she first joined the company that she’s not allowed to promote in korea unless it’s under sm or something like that
imagine being so jealous of your friend success that you resort to bully kick them out of their group they put blood and sweat into .. simply because she was a step a head of you 😷
@@IlIlIlIlIIIlIlIllIAre you in 2014? Successfully sued and paid more than 10M$ in compensation??😂😂😂😭🤡 Did she betray the members and SM? Did the members betray her? She chose that cheating bastard Tyler OVER the members to be with her all her life, and you talk about jealousy??? jealous about what?? She doesn't even have any real award trophies, she's bad at acting, sings OSTs and flops, what she has a lot are the Golden Stars who fantasize about her position in Soshi, without her Soshi would still have trophies. The best female group still has a comeback and has a high # peak in their career after 15 years 😭😭 give me one name out of eight people who is jealous of her debt??
@@xaban5967 It’s really pathetic for you to believe those rubbish media. Sica is stronger than you think. If you just want to criticize her, it’s really a waste of time. Jessica also successfully captured your attention.
jessica is happy now, don't worry. if you want to follow her actifities in china can search Jessica Seaside band in mangotv channel. she had song for her fans goldensky chinese version for china goldenstars
I am very grateful to the members who took the initiative to vote to kick Jessica out of SNSD. And I really appreciate the 2 youngest members who fought to keep Jessica. Thanks to the tragedy 930. 2022 could see Jessica show her potential in leading a group. Jessica didn't shine alone but with AOTU members she was able to show a beautiful appearance.
no one believes she was leaving to get married. she would be married by now if that was the truth. the members didnt like her cause she was successful. Ive been in K-ent now for over 25 yrs. Most of the book is what groups do to one another and how companies deal. the truth is SM would have said nothing about the success but the other bandmates and their parents wanted a cut.
successful? The most successful members were taeyeon and yoona. Jessica's fame was mid compare to other members. Back in the day yoona only sleep 2 hours a day to pursue her acting career while doing snsd activities. Taeyeon said they were having hard times because of her, clearly she didnt sacrifice herself just like yoona did, instead she sacrifice her members
@@SERIOUSLEE774 Nah, Jessica was one of the biggest members in the group. Yoona was already doing commercials before she was even in snsd, so she was always busy.
@@SERIOUSLEE774 Jessica was booked and busy, and still she was committed to the group. Couldn't say the same for the acting line, they were constantly absent and chose to prioritize their own things. That's why sones can't defend their "Jessica was always absent for her brand" narrative
Too many pressures put on her and she couldn't handle it and not getting along with the others. It was best for her sanity that she left but she is missed. She's a lovely girl, so talented. I wish her well xoxo
People should learn to share their stories as long as they don’t hurt anybody, especially when the truth is not even revealed. I hope the other 8 girls stand their ground, esp Taeyeon, she doesn’t deserve another hate train that she got back in 2014.
Jessica really did hurt people with this though, didn't she? She paints other members as criminals, and essentially shamed them when they were victims of r*pe from the higher-ups.
@@aheedle what?? Okay now I’ve lost all respect for her and I feel like she deserved to be fired…she’s just putting fuel to the fire and I think she should stop cause it’s not making her look good
@@i_aint_gonna_cry4u187 I edited my comment because I spread misinformation, I am so sorry about that. I didn’t realise the bit about outing was a rumour, and false, but everything else is true.
@@aheedle I don’t believe her because the other 8 girls haven’t commented a single thing about it…she can’t be the ONLY VICTIM…I’m sorry I don’t buy what she’s trying to say…it feels like another kwon mina story
@@aheedle okay I’m not sure of the lesbian part but I refuse to buy her story… the other girls should also come out before fans take it to the next level but I’m pretty sure they’ll just stay quiet
I feel like I need to read the book, but here’s what I’m thinking: for one person to go and write a book that puts themself at jeopardy isn’t an easy choice. That’s the choice of someone who feels burdened by the truth. It’s what whistleblowers do. Honestly I applaud Jessica for being so headstrong. All the girls went off to have their own careers within a few years of Jessica leaving. Some have been more successful than others, but it’s easy to imagine some being jealous of Jessica’s connections and the clear security she was going to have post GG. None of the other members really have that, save Taeyon.
That is honestly far from a "book" and it's no surprise it had tasteless review, and you may discover how boring, delusional,narssistic, and self centric that " book" ( as if) was,As once a fan of hers I was embarrassed to my teeth and cringed as well.. of how that piece of fanfiction that belongs in world Wattpad is, I read it back in September and I was like " this shit is Mary sued to oblivion and doesn't even cover the struggle of the girls, Rather it slut shames minor trainees,belittles every else efforts and embellished and superficial very cliche writting, very far from whistle blowing more like banking on a old drama out of bitterness and pettiness .. and the fact that some fans Actually think it a tell all is amusing ASF" The word building and plot was extremely flawed and the timeline doesn't even match up with things that was known at the time, it's misogynistic nature makes it even more obvious that the bf had a lot more to do with it,he needed a business model and she was the perfect choice being a member of the top GG so the only way was to sweet talk her into thinking that the girls were a) dumb b) Jealous and catty C) Manipulative and had no voice and also the reasons for jealousy brought up in the book didn't t even made sense at all, Just seem like cover up for mistakes that have been on her part but still wants to be painted in the best light when she wasn't the most popular, Taeyeon and Yoona had a secured solo career too,Half Of The fanbase we're Taeyeon's fans and her songs we're hits, same with the Yoona and the other actresses acting career had been established she even graduated college and did well as the Queen of CFS,so their individual CAREERS were ALL secured already, SM could have made made Taeyeon take off with her solo in 2008 when her OST climb the charts and SNSD were suffering black ocean, with having a huge amount of solo fans imagine what would have happened to the remaining members and the group lol... if you want a brutally honest review of the book, Check kneecaping kpop podcast and Shawol360 reviews here on RUclips
This is the most sane take ive seen. Ive read both books and you hit the nail on the head. I don't think many people see this side of the industry. They think because a group is successful that everyone inside it are magically happy. When in reality, even the most successful idols know eventually the group will no longer be their main source of income. Seeing the way Jessica was thriving and pushing to secure her future would definitely put some of them on edge especially if they felt she was being given preferential treatment with regards to her business ventures and dating scandals. Unfortunately this is due to how the industry is structured. It's been getting better but at the time some of the stuff she did was unprecedented and seemed like a bigger deal. Now it's normal for idols to have more freedom to pursue their individual career goals and even date. Back then it seemed SM protected Jessica and afforded her more opportunities which incited jealousy towards her. Which sucks because the company is only thinking about profits and not about the members' feelings. Everyone should have gotten the same chances but just because they didn't doesn't mean Jessica should be persecuted for what she got. It's a really unfortunate situation honestly.
That's absolute bullshit. You talked as if SNSD members aren't rich enough to sustain themselves post GG. Like they've been doing solo stuffs and are successful in them since forever. Some like Sooyoung and Sunny were born into wealth. Why the fuck would any of them be jealous of Jessica's so-called security, the one that she obtained only because she sleeps with a rich dude? Personally idc what actually happened but Jessica was a grade A bitch when she released the book. She didn't even have the courage to release an actual tell-all and had to hide behind half truths and fictions. Imagine a 30 year old woman acting like a petty teenager because of some disagreements with long time friends instead of doing what sane people with a fully developed brain would do, which is just move on. She's very lucky the other SNSD members are more magnanimous, mature, and took the high road by not bad mouthing her even though they could. A whistleblower are people like Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning who weren't afraid to name names and point to the actual problem and culprits. Jessica is just a cowardly bitch.
@@TheSUMMIE and its also funny to me cause Jessica was kicked out for that but not Yoona or Taeyeon who had way more solo gigs than her and other members also did not participate in many schedules due to solo stuff, i think the only member who never missed a performance was Hyoyeon then followed by Jessica. I honestly find it very hypocrite of the members if that was the reason they started not getting along and had a meeting.
I will always love all of the members including Jessica and support their careers individually 💕 I think that everyone expects the girls to get along all the time when it’s just not possible. Being an idol is a job they don’t have to be besties with everyone in the group. What happened to Jessica was so upsetting but it’s been years and I think we should not dwell on the past because all of them seem to be happy.
I don't think it was personality, having worked with her for 9 years, they knew her measure. I don't think it was the time spent on non-SNSD stuff. I think it was money. It's always the money. The alleged "lack of devotion" displayed by Sica could very well have been monetary in nature, her refusing to pay out percentage points of (expected) B&E profits to people who weren't contributing design ideas (or anything else of value to the business) just because "SNSD made you popular, nobody would buy your shiz on its own merit". Especially after the initial deal to let her start had been struck. They may have tried "We're altering the bargain; pray we don't alter it further", and I can well imagine her telling them to pound sand.
@@xheralt I don't think B&E were making any profit (not revenue) at the time Jessica was kicked out. I also don't think B&E was growing that fast at that time either. It doesn't make sense for SM (and/or ot8) to demand that much from B&E since there was no clear future to it yet.
What happened there was a kind of bully btw .. why people attacking the bullier nowadays and they reach to the point of asking the companies to kick the bullier ( which is the right thing to do ) but in case of SNSD its totally ok and forgettable !
Jessica is within her right to say her side. The girls kicking her out and telling her the morning she was leaving was so wrong. Yes, Jessica had a boyfriend and a fashion label she was launching. The other girls had TaeTiSeo, dramas, and solos- And while the other members -ususally- wouldn't admit to dating publicly, they did date as well. Jessica should have been allowed to promote her own individual ventures the same as any other member. And her book is telling her truth, not "shading GG". If you watched her bawl her eyes out on stage on Sisters Who Make Waves while reading a letter to her fans and mourning spending her 15 year debut alone as all of her "sisters" came back with an album without her pretending she never existed... Those tears were genuine. I definitely question the other girls. As much as I love them it took a very long time for me to be able to support them again- Especially Taeyeon. It took a lot for me to be able to support her solos.
She wrote that the other girls drugged her and a member slept with the boss to debut. Do you believe that these are her truth and no desire to "shade"? There is zero attempt at destroying her former co-workers' lives? She witnessed how rumours destroyed T-ARA. She knows the impact of her fans jumping to conclusions. I love Jessica and her style, but I cannot ethically support her on this.
You're wrong for only taking 1 side while they are actually 9 member group.. We don't know the real story but still people hating taeyeon.. Accusing her for jessica's departure while we don't have a proof that all jessica's statements was real. Anyway, even though there are fans whose stop supporting 8members especially taeyeon because of Jess departure we can still see how far tae achieved now as a soloist. Taeyeon now is popular because of her versatility in making music, while Jessica is popular too, as former snsd member.. Jess must stop throwing shades to snsd and make her own name without connecting her life in snsd.
@@ronalyngonzaga3033 Are you sure any snsd member didnt make fame due to tag of snsd.All the members are known as so and so of Snsd.It is unerasable part of those members history. Jessica also made a name for herself in China for her talents and dedications as an artist.So i dont know what you are talking with that last point.
@@shawolsarah The characters from that book are NOT SNSD. Bright was where the tea was, not Shine. She did not imply it was SNSD member who slept with the boss or whatever you're accusing.
It's not totally taking sides if the given option is only one. The other didn't entirely explained anything and abruptly said a short statement and left it at that. So I don't think it's necessary to pick a side at the moment. Unless SM or any of the members denies her accusation and explain their side of the story, enjoying this circus is only the best option. But all and again, no one will since this is a work of Fiction, as she said. If they did, she will just say why reacting to it? "It's just a work of fiction and all of resemblance is completely coincidental"
Yes. Because one side has been completely blacklisted from the industry while the other have flourishing careers. If there is one thing I am sure of it's that if SM is accused of a bad thing, THEY DID THAT SHIT!
The problem to what you just stated is that SM obviously strictly imposed on the members to not speak on the issue, even if sooyoung seohyun and Tiffany left SM they still are part of snsd wich means they still have to keep quiet on the issue like the rest of the members, smth that i hate about SM is how they Manage these problems (controversy/rumors/accusations/hate etc...) with all of their idols, they vaguely speak on the issue and sometimes ignore it (even if it gets hate to their artists, in fact they don't care) try to not bring it up so the situation cool down and get forgotten fast, it's unfair to only have one side of the story, the members also have smth to tell about it, especially taeyeon who got tons of hate and accusations because of the issue and still does to this day, but it's too late the members don't need to have a say smth about it now, it's been almost 8years and they moved on and all of them have a career to mainten and now a comeback for august
from me i think they dont need to tell the truth or their side of story, as i fans for a long time i just need their to be remaint silent cuz theres no point after all to tell a story
@@Ohmyuna No, what you hate about SM is what made almost all their idol still survive and maintain long career in the industry... Truth? Whatever it is... Its gonna be messy, both side gonna hurt.... that what happen to T-ara, AOA, April... at the end of the day... everyone loss even though the truth come out. SM did care... that's why without telling the truth, despite still getting hate occasionally, all other 8 members still have successful solo career. If they speak up, imagine how long until all the members can recover from the scandal...they might not even got any single gigs...
They owe the fans nothing. Like why do fans like you think they have control over someone's life? They moved on, and just because one person keep regurgitating the same issue every year doesn't mean they 'owe' anything to the fans
Since 2014 I simply don't know what to know or what to think or what to believe, i just follow my heart and i love all these girls, i support OT9, support OT8, support Jessica and i just won't judge any of them without knowing facts. Sadly some sones and non-sones took their sides, spread rumors and it broke the peaceful bubbles and it's not the same anymore. My ultimate, number one bias in Soshi isn't even jessica and this is how i feel.
I never understood why her fashion line was such a big deal to SM and the girls, many idols have more solo than group activities, especially when they are already successful. As a Sone, I didn't even know much about her fashion line back then. Whatever the truth is, I'm pretty sure that there was a very long time conflict that caused this, it can't be just her business.
yeah, this was confusing me too. after thinking about it, i think there are a few major ish differences: 1) compared to other members' activities: acting, singing, musicals, radio shows, and variety shows are all activities that the members would still do as idols, affiliated with snsd, in order to attract interest in the group. they're all activities that idols traditionally do. fashion doesn't have the same publicity - it would be more of a passion project, and not really linked to snsd at all (e.g. you mentioned you weren't even aware of it). not that she shouldn't have been able to pursue it anyway though 2) compared to other kpop idols with fashion lines: i'm thinking of baekhyun and donghae, because they're also with sm. for baekhyun he's somewhat less involved, i.e. co-creative director who doesn't also happen to be dating the ceo, and he launched it while exo was not very active. donghae also launched his brand wayyy past suju's prime. whereas jessica is the primary creative director of blanc and eclare, would have been extremely busy while snsd was still at their most popular, and is dating tyler kwon lol. i wonder if it also makes a difference that blanc and eclare is a luxury brand, while the other two are streetwear. (i think these 2 are the main points - their super popular lead vocal would be too busy with sth that didn't promote snsd at a time when snsd wanted max promotion) 3) tyler kwon as the ceo also probably changed things. not only was jessica dating him, but his reputation isn't the best, and if the marriage rumours were true that would have complicated things further but this is ofc just speculation (i have time, so). i mean, it clearly was a big deal for some reason, although i agree that for this kind of catastrophic result there was probably some deeper long term tension
@@dibidubu4168 makes no sense because snsd in 2014 were past their prime. This is coming from a long time sone. Like 2012-2014 they didn’t have that many comebacks I think they didn’t even have one in 2012. Mr mr was their last one and there wasn’t rumors of another one. So rhey we’re releasing once every year or every other year. I don’t get what they big issue was. Also three of them were dating… so why couldn’t she. I think the issue was that she was daiting a rich Chinese guy with power and they felt threatened.
@@Pocketdekuwu Past their prime? The 2015 album Lion Heart sold 800k copies... In 2012 theywere busy helping establish the hallyu wave in Japan, in 2013 they had one of their biggest songs of the year which is still influential even TODAY (think NMIXX O.O), in 2014 they held sold-out tours in Asia... You have no idea what you're talking about
Guys, just because they are a girl group don’t mean they need to be super besties or forever friends. I mean, even if among the members there are conflicts its more than normal because we are humans. People are different and when worked together there will be disputes and emotions. Take it with a pinch of salt. The book is written from her lens and no one knows the other side. The same truth can be vastly different in different perspective and angle. I had the most toxic colleague that stirred shit and twisted facts to other people. The things she said were factual but she take things out of context and skipped all the part where she is in fault. And suddenly people think she was an angel and the other side is the bad guy. Not saying Jessica is the bad guy, though her shading SNSD does leave a bad taste, just saying there are different perspectives and both can be right and not at fault. (If it isn’t clear enough, that’s my own opinion is that she is shading. You can form your own opinion whether its shading or not. That’s not my main point.) I think we are all mature and old enough to know its normal. SNSD let them live as the legacy please. Don’t let these things ruin the beautiful memories. I am not an SNSD stan but I been to see through their legend that brought Kpop out to Asia and all. The whole Jessica leaving the group has already caused them a lot of discomfort to all involved then. Really don’t need to dig out again.
I don't even think she shaded SNSD. It was pretty clear to me that this a heat of the moment thing. And she wrote she wished she didn't have to go. Also the part where the other members in the story said they wouldn't be on stage with her if nothing changed... it didn't sound as if THEY said that she should leave though
@@mangamama9881 I mean I respect your thoughts but what I heard here in this video can be the narrator’s fault I do see it as shading. We don’t need to agree on this. Its our own opinion. As I said don’t make her a bad person. I mean I can understand she wants her side to be known if that’s her intent. But just as someone who you know lived long enough. I prefer just don’t cause of her position many haters are waiting to feed on rumours and will take things out of context. Well that’s my personal opinion. But my main point is I have seen so much comments that defended on the grounds that oh they are all very close and all. They cannot be… it must all be the company fault. So many people spoke about normalising Idol not being perfect. I hope we can all remember they are humans and if indeed there is conflicts. Its fine. They don’t have to be besties to be legends or a good group. Paints an unrealistic image. I used to be like those awww they are all super close any conflicts are rumours or hating on them. But when I grew up and went through things, these are normal. Not saying it is true but even if it is true. It should not shaken their legacy or anyone involved. I don’t think anyone truly want the departure to happen. They all knew the consequence they have to pay if Jessica left. (My own thoughts)
I don't think Jessica 'shade' the SNSD members but more like she was trying to say something that she couldn't say to her fans at the time. She's kicked out, the one who told her she was kicked out was SM and they said it was because the other 8 does not want to go on stage if she stayed. So, it wasn't her choice to leave the group, she was not a betrayer like the media/knetz portrayed her to be. And just to be clear, the other members has shaded Jessica multiple times in the past. Even the group leader dismissed Jessica existence during their training years, so it's both side. However, it's been years maybe they had already reconcile enough not to have any bad blood anymore but doesn't mean they are beasties either.
@@maddiphen2538 "So it wasn't her choice to leave the group" In a way IT WAS HER CHOICE. She was given 2 very simple options: 1. Being 100% committed to the group just like ALL OTHER MEMBERS , or 2. Choose her business career.. She chosen her business so she needs to be kicked out from the group. She can't have it both ways. Either its 100 PERCENT COMMITMENT TO THE GROUP OR ZERO PERCENT. THERE IS NO FIFTY FIFTY or 60/40 or 75/25 whatever!!!
yup, even tho I think not all of them were jealousy (the bad leader and yoona were always the most popular) but the other 6 flops had all the reasons to be jealous lol
From T-ARA, April, or AOA (and maybe more) cases, I've learnt not to judge only one side. We will always be a protagonist in our own story. Our perspectives might be different than others. So no need to send hate to either one. Only time will answer all questions, or not. Who knows.
defamation laws are crazy in sk that anyone can make a case out of the smallest thing. so it's super smart that she's written a story that is "fictional" about all these "fictional" situations. either sm will fight these claims and reveal they're as bad as the books makes them out to be, even though it's fake, or stays quiet and we all have a tidbit of what ACTUALLY happened without "knowing" what happened. 😉
Yep! I think Lizzie is loosely based on Taeyeon tho @7:00 I think Taeyeon is the only member with a younger sister (other than Jessica). Sunny,Yoona, Tiffany & Sooyoung I think are all the youngest of their siblings. Yuri * Hyoyeon both have brothers, idk their ages tho. Not sure about Seo tho. I don't know who Mina is based on tho
I was watching soshi show on youtube that was for their comeback last year, i didnt watch last year, and when i watch it just now, i cant help being saddened by how they didnt mention her at all and she wasnt even in any of the videos when she very much did exist back then… heartbroken thats why im searching for jessica and got here
Writing a book that has fictional parts in it and then claiming the reader can decide what's the truth and what's not? I am sorry but this sounds very unfair and wrong to me. People will speculate about every fictional element if those happened and can be a start of many baseless rumors. Not the right way to put any kind of truth out imho.
True... it's immature and petty to smear the whole group like this and still claim it could all be false. Something doesn't add up with her story tbh. I read the first book and was left with the impression that Jessica's perception of others is a bit shallow. Either it's due to her being an amateur writer or that she sees the members in a cartoonish/black and white way, and that makes me suspicious of what really happened.
Every lies come from some kind of truth. Every true story movie contain more fiction than the actual truth. It's all about presentation and interpretation. Nothing fishy nor shady about it. It's been done for so long.
That’s the only way she can publish some of her truth and give hints? She can’t ever tell the truth legally but humanely it’s unfair to her because she was forced out of the group(by people she’s been working with for years and I can imagine the betrayal she felt) and I’m sure she wanted to tell her story someway. As you can see from almost 90% of the comments everyone isn’t biased just from her book they took it with a pinch of salt and are very much clear it’s her side of her story. Besides all the other members of GG have very strong fan bases there’s no way ppl will cancel the others as ppl like you and many others are downplaying jessica’s side of the story :)
I understand she wanted to focus on her own business and her own life, but being in a girl group was a job too, on other hand SM is a horrible company and instead of help her giving her the time she needed to focus on herself, they kicked her out in a sultry way.
A lot of the others members had side jobs too during the time and even now with their solo careers while doing group stuff. So much hypocrisy. SM messed up choosing a side that increased tensions instead of decreasing them .
Why blaming sm? If jessica is business collaborate with sm, sm can easily schedule her activities. But nuh she being greed and messed up snsd activities. She got kicke out by members not by sm
SM stated they were fine with it. It was the other members that changed their mind. Because the other girls also had side projects, but not as successful as Jessica.
First, they were in the middle of promoting Mr Mr. Second, she recorded 'Catch me if you can', so we know she didn't wanna leave SNSD (at that moment). Third, the rest of the group just erase Jessica from their lifes as she didn't exist (which infuriated me!) Fourth, and last, when 3 of the members pursued solo ventures, the rest was ok with it... FOR ME IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.
Being hurt does not make her the victim, if we are being fair her bussiness is linked , affected by and gives profit to Tyler so of course there is a conflict of interest thay could affect them and make them loose deals and reputation , he has a bad street cred and they were the biggest GG .... she just wanted to keep her man and the group even if others were affected, just from her book you can tell how far up his ear she is and how everyone around her starting by him , acted like the girls just had to take it and put up with what made her happy ... thar and taking the fact that she portays herself as the breadwinner, multitalented , overworked one qhile everyone just is in constant owe and jealousy just shows the level of bitterness and delusion she has
hey come on those last 2 aren't relevant. the members were obviously given strict instructions not to talk about her (remember when hyo panicked after the live ot9 slip?) and the other members' solo careers were both 1) lowkey after their prime and 2) still music careers clearly affiliated with sm and snsd. not saying jessica wanted to leave - you're right, it's obvious she didn't - but that doesn't show anything about whether the members were directly responsible...
This comment is so dumb are you a kid or what we'll if you're infuriated at them then stay pressed LoL, Pretty obvious as if they run the company on their own and don't have contracts to fulfill lmao 💀
Idk about the details but the fact that she was blacklisted for so long, it's as if they were "punishing" her for something and usually companies do that when you don't agree with unfair requests.... idkkkk it's all shady and sketchy and I feel bad because it must have been and still is traumatising for individuals involved
it was such a big slap for jessica especially when a year or so after her departure, other members chose to focus more on their solo gigs like acting and solo debut. i'm glad she's really successful now as a businesswoman and she seems healthy and happy, good for her.
that part! how come taeyeon is the ONLY one with a solo act? even tiffany left, not that much after either, who was honestly the most popular member after jessica.
I am telling you.. Jessica was just too "scandalous" for SM. I saw people defending SM and at this point I honestly don't understand how one could see past the awful and questionable things that SM did/does.
@@SNSDCookies after eons of doing nothing for her as she was always treated as a backup dancer, so nice try. her little solo was probably sm throwing her a bone.
@@mangamama9881 !!!!! these company stans come out nowhere to defend sm in the name of their idols. not realizing their faves are probably suffering under contracts and limitations!
I love Jessica, always been my fav, but I always thoughy she should've started business when their contracts are over like when Tiff, Seo and Soo left the company
Honestly I feel like its fair that if one members other activities are affecting the group or causing unnecessary stress, to ask them to leave (I say ask because I dont believe she would have been kicked out so suddenly as Jessica said she was with no prior indication)
Her writing novels was a smart move. But all of this brings back memories. Back in the day, everyone went with rumors, Information flying around. Twitter Threads, alleging she’d get married asap and that this was the main reason, she’d left. She’s still not married in 2023. It’s also really amazing that so many male idols had and have side businesses and didn’t get kicked out, but she did. I am still rooting for her to this day. Wishing her all the success
so we're not going to address the irresponsibility of her book? the way she mixes fiction and reality to tell her story isnt inherently bad BUT if she adds things like rachel was drugged how will people know if that's true or not? drugging is a serious accusation and adding sensationalist shit like that makes the whole book seem much more like a petty cash grab than an actual attempt to tell her story. i have been supporting jessica as her own individual artist since 9/30 but this is one project of hers i will never support
@@udebrl thats a very simplistic way of viewing something that was obviously made to stir the conversation a certain way. i feel like if the book was written better (aka with nuance and actual care put into the characters) the "this is fiction" argument can be used as an excuse but it isnt. shine was okay, but all bright does is write rachel as a mary sue, her boyfriend as a guy who helps her in business but has nothing else going for him, and all the other girls as just crazy caricatures. i feel like this woe is me plot could have worked if again, it was written with a little more nuance, but again, it's not. rachel isnt a sympathetic character at all and even in shine the girls forever members had extremely valid complaints about her but everything was written as if those complaints didnt need to be addressed bc the girls were catty manipulative bitches. the book was perhaps the most misogynistic thing i've read in a while, second only this year to silk fire by zabe ellor. so many people in this comments section havent actually read bright and it shows. a lot of it was quite distasteful.
@@aydenwishmaker2811 "But I hope it will be an easter egg hunt for people. I want them to find clues along the way, figure out who's who, what's what, have fun with it and enjoy it"
That book sure made people speculate. She's hilarious to write about the topic with so many close parallels. I'm not saying its true but it's just very close to home. She cracks me up. She just 2ent for it to express herself. GG splitting up really sucks though.
It's not like she can come out and spill all the tea. So, she made a fiction book as close as she can to the truth to tell her story but not to much to get her sued, and as a fiction it need to have sell, thus there's a exaggerated truth.
Yeah, that's totally her point. I think I've heard she said that she mixed all the truth and fiction into the book so people can speculate whatever they want
I remember I fell in love with SNSD in the studio when they were just getting started, singing honey honey and way back into love, what a beautiful moment and time to discover them, they were unique and changed Kpop. Everything changes but good memories and the gift of Girls Generation burns strong forever, god bless them and their lives. 🥰💞💝💖
I used to support Jessica, and maybe I still do a little bit, but I am incredibly upset with her. Here is why: This book is LOOSELY based on the real experiences of Jessica, so some of it may be true/based on true experiences, some of it may be false. However, I want you all to listen to this quote from a TIME magazine article about Jessica's book: "But Jung says it’s up to the reader to decide the line between fact and fiction. “It’s going to be like an Easter egg hunt,” she tells TIME. “Looking for clues and who’s who, what’s what, what’s true, what’s not.” This quote makes me so angry. For Jessica to say this, it is so disgusting. Here is why: 1) YA books, as many of you may know, are often exaggerated and blown up to be more dramatic, because that entices many young readers into wanting to read because, "Waa! Scandalous! Betrayal! Blablabla!"- You get it. However, in this book it is theorised that certain characters are certain members of Girls' Generation, especially the two main villains, Lizzie and Mina. In SHINE, the character Mina drugs Rachel, the main character (who is based on Jessica). Obviously, this is a criminal act, and absolutely terrible. But don't you guys see? Jessica wants the readers to decide whether this actually happened. She is essentially letting people decide whether a member of SNSD actually drugged her, when it could be entirely false. Look at Twitter, they are hating on two specific members of SNSD, because they think that the characters Lizzie and Mina are based on them. But we don't even know if all the bad things the characters did ACTUALLY happened to Jessica. But she's happy with letting two people who could be potentially innocent get hate for no reason?! She isn't saying they bullied her, she's portraying "Mina" as a CRIMINAL. Listen, maybe the SNSD member who Mina is based on actually drugged her, but Jessica being cryptic about it is not good. She needs to be honest about what is fiction and what is reality, otherwise she could be potentially defaming innocent people for no reason. That is absolutely disgusting, and I am so disappointed in her. Look at the members of SNSD getting hate for something that could potentially be fiction! And Jessica is just letting it happen. 2) REMOVED DUE TO FALSE INFORMATION! 3) In this book, Jessica's character Rachel decides that certain characters slept their way into the group, as in, sleeping with the higher-ups. She basically sl*t-shames them in her head, but you have to remember that the characters in this girl-group are all minors, just like Rachel (Jessica). So instead of talking about how a bunch of adults took advantage of minors under the guise of letting them pursue their dreams, Rachel (Jessica) shames them for "sleeping their way into the group", when really, we should be pitying them as they are basically victims of statutory r*pe! But no, Rachel (Jessica's character) thinks it's perfectly okay to shame them in her head. Jessica, how could do that? You should know that when minors sleep with adults, it's up to the adults to say "No!" instead of taking advantage of innocent kids who just want to pursue their dreams. Why is she shaming the members who "slept their way" into the book, when it's not their fault? And hey, this might be true, it might be false, but we don't know, because Jessica is being cryptic. Of course, Jessica is allowed to tell her side of the story, but for the past eight years, that is all she has done. The only people who haven't shared their story are the rest of SNSD. Also, she shouldn't tell her story in a cryptic, partially-fictional way, where everything is "loosely" based on the truth, and wrapped in multitudes of dramatic YA story-telling. Jessica shouldn't be painting (potentially innocent) people as criminals, and outing (potentially straight) people. That is super disgusting of her. Also, Jessica portrays herself as some innocent angel in this book, but I doubt that is true. She probably did some wrong things too, and so did the rest of the girls. Edit: If I have gotten anything wrong, or have spread misinformation, please let me know. Edit 2: It has come to my attention that there is no, in fact, mention of the maknae being a lesbian and that this was a false rumour that many people believed, including myself. I am really sorry for spreading this false information! Regardless, my point still stands, but I will remove the point about her potentially outing anyone, as this was just a rumour, and I am very, very sorry for spreading this information. I stand by the rest of my comment, though.
She's being a drama queen and it's really sad to see that the members were professional and kept silent despite the criticism and hate while she released a book to just make even more drama and scandals
@@ronnysianturi.2852 i sure as hell hope so, but its been what, 7-8 years? i mean i dont get why jessica wont spill. 1. she lives in china now. 2. shes korean american. she damn near untouchable as far as retaliation from SM entertainment. they can also try to sue her for breaking the nda but what court they gonna take her to? korean contracts aren’t enforceable on U.S or chinese soil.
Why others can be late or absent but Jessica can't and because of this she need to be kicked out from the group like a very serious matter? What's wrong with SNSD? Is it really necessary to take this step by kicking out a member?
things change and some people outgrow each other, whether in good terms or bad, lets say even if she was brought back to the group by "popular demand" she probably dont want to be in it either there's a good chance she's the main cause/at fault in this also they were young adults at the time who know basic morals so if she was really wronged then members could have really defended her but in this case, it probably is mutual decision from her and the members and she graduated but is bitter because the rest of the group is going along well honestly i trust in the 8 members more than the one even if she was portrayed as the "victim, singled out" on this social media echo chamber.
They did not take a moral stance or defend her. They didn't speak from beginning to end. Are you willing to believe their hypocrisy? Don't forget that nothing Jessica has said or done has been refuted or prosecuted. Time proved her right.
It's so sad that people are saying Jessica "left a bad taste in their mouth" by saying her side, but what else can she do? Just shut up and be kicked out/black listed?
Jessica was so mistreated, people labeled her "as the diva of the group" and people got so pressed as if it was her fault, she was only doing her job entertaining people, it was not her fault that she had star quality, they didn't give her a break, of course she felt very hurt of being kicked out of the group, in a legendary group where she played a huge part just like the other members, snsd is not snsd without any of the members, of course that statement of "jessica wanted to leave" has always sounded to me like SM kicked her out for some reason.
Their teamwork and friendship was already ruined, when that drunk incident which dragged Taeyeon and Yoona in HongKong happened... If only Jessica just come clean about that incident, none of these would've ever happened...
I can only say it is something that is impossible to happen. Jessica's reunion with some of the members is still a possibility. But if the reunion with all the members is very impossible. Even until now Jessica has never been in touch with any of the members. So far, fans have only been given illusions about OT9. Starting from members who often like OT9 posts to posting similar photos.
If you're watching soshitamtam now, you can legit see the result of this debacle...OT8 discusses work very seriously and try to stay business-like. I think this experience was a tough lesson for them to learn compartmentalizing work and friendship. It's sad how it all went down, but I'm glad time has been kinder to all of them. They're forever OT9 in my heart. 💗💗💗
at this point, no one should care about this issue other than the people involved. no events should be out anymore and instead them(ppl involved-no fans/public/even sm) try to make a calm either peaceful or painful closure. dragging this all out/fueling the fire/putting it on spotlight again and again is just hurting them all.
I always thought it was more to do with the members than s.m. themselves. Don't get me wrong I don't dislike anyone in snsd, Jessica and Krystal both have/had alot of things going for them before and after becoming idols so I can see jealousy playing a part. Plus as long as s.m. was getting a cut of the profits I can't see them wanting to kick her out.
Jealousy? I can understand if she accused someone else from snsd to be jealous of her, but definitely not taeyeon. Girl was popular with GP even before their hit song Gee. Funny how all of your are disregarding her toxic behaviour toward taeyeon, yoona ( Hong Kong incident) and Tiffany (Korea independance day) and often hitting and abusing hyoyeon off cameras (only fan cams showed that) girl is not purely a victim. And proof is the girl's are still close till this day. Not logical to have them all being jealous just of her lol
@@Vivian-ho1xu The Hong Kong incident is when a news article was released showing two girls drunk falling into a bin, and people thought it was Yoona and Taeyeon, I think. But it ended up being Jessica, but Jessica stayed quite and let Yoona and Taeyeon get all the hate, when she was in the photo actually.
8 of them just still together for 15 years until now, you can just read from them who was have big ego here, but that past time, we need to move on and choose our path
I love how people seem to think it's "reasonable and fair to listen to the other side of the story" when the "other side" is a company known for its history being abusive towards its artists, JYJ and Han Geng are there to prove it wasn't even the first time. By trying to being "impartial", they're just being unfair. Most conflicts have two sides, sure, but that doesn't mean both/neither are right/wrong and stand on the same ground, you know. In most cases, there isn't a middle ground for false, pretentious sense of fairness and justice, the truth may lie on one side and I won't ever believe it's the side of a huge company known for being oppressive.
There's no mystery here. The statements from SM and Jessica don't really contradict that much. Jessica wanted to start a fashion line, and knew it would consume a lot of time. She waffled back and forth about whether or not she could remain a member of Girls' Generation. She was presented an ultimatum - one or the other. Her indecision left the company and group in limbo, and ultimately they made the decision for her because they needed a clear path forward. Jessica felt backstabbed because she had been with the group and company for years. I'm a supervisor at my job. You want to accommodate your employees as much as you can, but you can't bend over backwards. If someone isn't meeting expectations, whether it's their attendance or quality of performance, you sometimes have to let them go - even if you like them personally. And it really sucks. It's business, not personal.
@Mihaela I forgot to mention that I'm a longtime SONE myself. I heard the rumors that she was going to be leaving before it happened and commiserated over the whole ordeal with the SNSD tumblrsphere while everything was unfolding. SM did say that she could have her company if it didn't conflict with Girls' Generation's schedule, but that doesn't mean the negotiations were finalized. The fact of the matter is that running a business isn't just a full time job, it's an overtime job. In the mid-'00s, a lot of rappers and record labels created their own fashion lines, which were largely vanity projects - not taken seriously in the fashion world, quick to fold. Had Jessica remained with SNSD, that's what Blanc & Eclair would ultimately have ended up being. If the story about the girls' parents is true, it still doesn't conflict anything else, and no one knows how much it would have actually influenced the decision anyway. It's not completely implausible, but there's a good dozen parents across the group (in other words, not a cohesive unit) and the notion that they're more business-minded and brand-conscious than SM is a stretch. I've always taken it with a grain of salt, just hearsay. She filmed the original CMIYC video and was part of the initial Tokyo Dome preparations. Those are things that happened. Jessica also filmed the "Divine" video, which is rumored to have been (and very much feels like) her farewell. The one thing I don't remember ever hearing anything about is her getting kicked out of any fan events - that would have received a lot of publicity.
I agree it was business, but not on the time aspect. Money. Follow the money. My theory: She struck a deal with management (particularly at the C level), and then somebody else (maybe member individual management [usually also their family]) started demanding a piece of the action (or a bigger-then-agreed-upon piece), and Sica told them to pound sand. Not "giving back" out of expected profits could be construed as the "insufficient devotion to the group" cited from SM's side. Sica would quite possibly regard it as paying tribute to 8 leeches who weren't contributing anything to her design vision (or her bottom line). OK "leeches" is harsh, but it would be a severe financial drain on an already-shaky startup.
@Mihaela He business startup wasn't interfering! If you track the timeline, she was ousted _before_ the Chinese fanmeet (and rehearsals for said fanmeet, which would occur AT THE ACTUAL VENUE) that people claim her ouster was about! There was nothing more involved, no comebacks, no recording, nothing else going on with the group as a whole at the time!
@@Mr_DPZ It was supposed to be a gradual and planned exit, after the fanmeet and the already filmed CMIYC. The mystery is, what pushed it forward to "right then" with such indecent haste that _they had to reshoot an entire MV without her..._ ? That's what makes the major argument scenario at least a bit more plausible for me.
Appreciate your comment for focusing on the arrangements and what made it difficult to move forward with what was arranged. It's a business, and a business where individual personalities, image and perceptions matter so much. Nothing happened out of the blue.
as a sone (15yrs and counting) jessica departure was one of the most devastating experience ever happened to sones. but look at in a professional’s perspective. Jessica has her own line, which resulted in limited brands/advertisements reach out to other members. I think this is not fair for the other 8 members because every brand wanted to be exclusive when they signed a contract, since jessica has her own line of fashion, it will definitely effect other members’ opportunities as well. i’m pretty sure the schedules need to be adjusted, sometimes dance choreography need to be adjusted from 9 members to 8 members. Having your own fashion line is another job! it’s much much more. I am still supporting Jessica (she is one of my bias), and 8 members of snsd. But from my perspective, Jessica can only do one or the other. :( sad but that’s business
For your lack of information, first, SM not stupid to sign a contract and let her do her fashion if it's affect their money, second, SNSD did have some individual commercial for different brand, third Jessica launch her brand, even after she has her own beauty products, she still can sign with others and be their model. Sorry for my lack of English
This is the take on the situation I've never understood. Other members can have acting gigs, variety, radio, sub units, solos, brand deals, etc., but Jessica can only have one job and needs to choose? What? Others have tried to argue that those things increased SNSD's brand as a whole, but they never explain why Jessica being a successful designer wouldn't help SNSD's brand. Also plenty of celebrities have their own brands and still take endorsements. Even if Jessica was limited in their deals, there was nothing to stop the other members from signing with brands. When was the last time ALL of SNSD had the same endorsements? They were certainly well past that at that point. And there doesn't seem to be any documented missed public schedules. Maybe she missed some rehearsals, but it doesn't seem to have impacted the overall quality until she was suddenly out. Their reasons all around don't make sense. I've reasoned (not that it holds any more water than any one else's guess) that it could only really be two things: A. They didn't like Jessica. This might or might not be justified, we don't see their attitude behind closed doors, but it seems they got fed up with her presence in the group and wanted her out. Perhaps they thought she might not resign her contract, and when she did that started the push to remove her. OR B. Jessica's relationship was real and was getting serious. They thought the scandal would damage the group and that led to them pushing her out. Now a days a group that size with that seniority of that age wouldn't really falter over a dating "scandal", but 2014 was a very different time...
Just make note jessica never leave the gg when they do rehearsal or performance you supposed to pointed those who has acting scheduled which most of them who always leave the group for their individual activities
When I saw 2ne1 back on stage at Coachella. I immediately imagined what if SNSD and Jessica were on the same stage and singing together again. I'm tired of all these rumors, I don't care about the truth anymore, as a fan who still loves the nine of them so much I hope everyone can move on and forget about this and return to the stage like 2ne1 did.
2NE1 has a Freedom already. They can perform together because all of them left YG. But in the case of SNSD, 5 members is still under SM and the 3 members is still a member of SNSD. So it's really impossible to perform all members together in one stage. Unless all of them will petition to get back Jessica in the group.
@@haosru Okay I know I'll get a different response if I comment on this topic, but thanks for your opinion too. I'll got it cutie, and one more thing I'm not lying when I say you're cute 😂
To be honest I still don't understand why she was kick out of the group. Like she can still do both, run a fashion line and be part of gg. It's the same thing with the other members acting
Lol acting give money to SM while her business it's personal and no benefit to SM. Also it will damage SNSD overall income, because others brand will think that SNSD it's not good for brand ambassador because conflict of interest.
Shows you that there must have been something else going on as to why the members and company reacted this strongly. She is trying to rid herself of all the blame but i dont think she’s as innocent as she’s making herself to be 🤷🏽♀️
@@SolitudeDayys you are right, since we need to hear both side but there isn't really anything wrong with taking a break from the group to start a fashion line.
As a SONE this situation will always be something that I know we’ll never know the full story, not without all the girls speaking. All I can say is that out of this situation it hurts to see Jessica and the rest of the girls not acknowledge each other publicly, I give SM the side eye b/c Jessica, one of the OG members of the nations girl group, was blacklisted. And my own opinion is that to me I think the other members were wrong to make her choose, if that was true, b/c if I was Jessica I would’ve showed them that I’m dedicated to the group. Not to mention that there’s more “benefit” of being in the group vs trying to go solo with a brand new clothing brand that just barely got off the ground.
They aren’t wrong in my opinion, because before they are friends please be realistic they are co-workers they aren’t there to become family or friends they are actually in a group to earn money. Friends/family comes after that.
SHINee spoke about this before openly and I think that is the ultimate truth. We as fans should never delude ourselves to thinking that they are always close. At the end of the day, if it’s true that the girls made Jessica choose the group or her branding, that is because GG is a business and a branding.
Nobody will ever speak on this issue. Ever. South Korean media throughout the years have almost completely sided with SNSD in this issue. You'd be suprised the amount of hate videos there is of Jessica in Korean. Over hundreds of naver articles (that usually don't get translated so many international fans aren't aware of them) hating on Jessica as well. Any explanation of this story from anyone involved would cause very bad press, which is something SM will do anything to avoid.
should listen all girls about fact, not only jugment jessica by media info. in my opnion if what all that jessica write in weibo + media is false info, SM + 8GG can sue a court of law ,but they only silent.
@@greenlamp2326 There are also a lot of international articles blatantly hating and slandering on SNSD and even more worse because it's written in English and there's no need to translate it
So we got a story from 1 out of the 9 members and we’re saying we know the full story? And its been years i dont think anyone cares anymore at this point. Jessica shouldve just stopped at the first book tbh like was it even necessary for the plot to say who bad mouthed who
Finally the trueeeee Jessica I miss you , i hear every album before Party single ... and i just cry when i hear her voice . Jessica was the beart of the group the voices of all vocalist memebers fit so well
Many sones fans want Jessica to shut up already and go away. But Jessica will never shut up and she will not go away. She is fighter and will not go down without fight. That’s what I like about her she never gives up. After 9/30/14 she had to survive all by herself to be a solo artist and business woman.
I remember when there was so much fan wars against a 2NE1 and GG. Even tho I was 2NE1 Stan I also LOVED GG also. I was so shocked when Jessica was kicked out. I knew it was unfair!!!!!! I only regret that there was so much fan wars against the two Greatest iconic female bands. I miss the old/ classics Kpop era.
The fact that jessica was the 1st member of snsd and being trained the longest period between the girls
I miss her lines in every song, so calming at times, so perfectly aligned with the melody. She blended (and still would blend) well with the rest of the group. One of a kind, really.
One of a kind? Lol
Squeaky voice. A mouse is more pleasant.
@@michelrodrigues5686 your opinion. 🫶
@@michelrodrigues5686 Singing voices are complex constructs. It's understandable that you're this ignorant, but I recommend you learn more about stylistic vocal techniques before mouthing untrue statements.
I agree with everything you said and I’ve always thought that!
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I feel like if you have actually read the whole book, you would know that it was far from shading the other 8 members but rather a sad tale of how the industry and company pitted the girls against each other. For every time an “antagonist” (e.g. Lizzie, Mina) did something, she would further elaborate why and how it could’ve made them react or felt that way. And I’m quite sure all of us who have actually read the whole thing can make out which events actually did happen. It’s just a sad book, really. And truly, reading comprehension is a dying art in this generation
YES! People whine a lot abt this book and the so called "inmaturity, unproffesional attitude, pettines and bitterness" of Jessica 😶 but they didn't even read the book, like how?? Read it first, it's really really sad. The book made me realize that Jessica and her former members are not villains, they're all victims of fame, money, SM, sexism, Korea's conservative views and competitiveness, etc. So heartbreaking! 💔
The giant entertainment company treated them bad. 😢
@@drewdidenot7722 they just ride on the trend. 😂
@@daydream10.18 Yeah, I know 😂😂 how desperate of them. Btw, love your pfp 😍😍 Fellow lamb?? 😲
@@drewdidenot7722 yes! 🦋
the fact that she was banned in all music shows really broke my heart
Why she banned?? What did she do wrong??
@@novytaariefiana326 Long story short She wanted to be independent (having her own company) + being in GG. But SM hates that, so if artist is doing something alone they re banning. They don't want ex-artists to be popular and earn money without their guidance.
@@atsushisakurai7849so basically she's ahead of that time. She thinks far and the company stop her. See what happen now everyone doing business having their own company while still remain in their group under such contracts and agreement.
So she wants to build her own empire
I think there's a grain of truth in her book, but it's not everything we need to know to make a conclusions about that situation. There definitely was some kind of conflict between the members, but we can't be sure of who's right and who's wrong. At least we should know another side of the story to make an opinion and shouldn't spread the rumors based on fictional story.
Anyway this is interesting, thank you for sharing~
I can imagine feelings of other GG members though, when their controversial past suddenly popped up...
Yeah, you know as much as I’m a fan of SNSD, they’re all just human beings with their own problems and flaws. It wouldn’t be surprising if their personalities didn’t mesh that well for a long time before the split. And it doesn’t have to be the fault of any one of them. I don’t blame Jessica for wanting to tell her story but ultimately I can’t really trust her to give a fully unbiased version of the events. It’s possible that everything in the book did happen but she left out other stuff that would make her look a little less innocent.
How can I buy that book
I actually think that what she wrote could be true. But she wrote it in a way that made it clear (at least to me) that she would have still wanted to go back and that what happend was something that was not a forever thing. It just sounds like "this is what happend back then because of misunderstandings and fights. I still miss these days though"
Well the past has a way of always coming back to confront you directly in the face until you resolve it with Love. Hopefully the 9 girls can resolve it with love and forgive everything. That's the way we truly move forward - which is releasing all judgment and condemnation towards ourselves and all persons. It can be tough though.
It's sad but SM and SNSD knew what they were getting into letting Jessica go, they knew this would follow them forever
As a longtime fan of SNSD, it's really heartbreaking for me to be left in the dark about what transpired between them back in 2014. It felt like they made their decisions and we were forced to swallow the results back then that led fans and non-fans alike to create their own speculations. It's also weird for me that SM just let their biggest group at that time (if not counting EXO, who has already garnered huge following but also has gone through a problem in May that year and in October days after 9/30) be drag into a scandal like that. In terms of activities, I do not know what activities they were saying Jessica missed back then because I remember TTS promoting Holler, Sooyoung with her drama, and the news that they all renewed their contracts with SM, I guess we'll never know. But things have changed, I still long for the day that I will be able to see them standing together in one frame but right now, I am happy and contented that they are still active in the industry and are doing the things they love. No matter what, my support for these 9 girls will remain.
The activities thing was just a cover up everyone was busy and snsd covered for each other all the time. Mess happened and they clearly didnt plan ahead. Again SM and jessica worked out royalties it was the Members. And they had to swallow missing jessica with their performances the era after she was kicked out was messy as hell remember how much Tiffany got dragged.
bc y’all are fans, what do you mean “forced to swallow”??? you don’t have to support and you don’t get a say on their personal lives.
@@xrrgr @xrrgr I'm sorry if it came out wrong but I'm referring to what I felt and my friends with SM's actions regarding the issue back then not the girls because we all know they could not really do anything about it.
@@nobodysperfect1998 understandable
This whole thing is sad- the kpop industry is so toxic and even some of the idols take after the behavior. We will truly miss her as a member of girls generation
(If u hate the group pls don't be under this comment only because y'all been starting too much drama. Also PUUURRR 800+ likes)
yeah but i wouldn’t blame the members either. we don’t really know their story and they were probably feeling pressured by the company
Actually honestly, its normal. I don’t think its even a kpop issue its human issue. Workplace also have politics and conflicts such. Idols are also human their company too. People see things differently and will have conflicts.
I actually watched the IGAB MV today and had to quit early because I legit started crying. Given that OT9 was what made my life tolerable, it pains me. SM though is really petty honestly. When they started that contest for the GG anniversay book they highlighted that SNSD is "8" members. They literally highlighted the 8. I gagged seeing that.
Well I love all of them wether it's OT9, OT8 or solo artists. And I will make a Girl's Generation inspired birthday cake for myself as Gee was released on my birthday as well 💖 and it will be an OT9 cake
@@mangamama9881 SM firing Jessica from the group was both a business mistake and a disservice to the fans. SM blacklisting her is just their usual lack of morality and goodness. But no one can escape Karma. It eventually catches up to everyone. We should make sure our Karma is good and therefore good things will come back to us.
@@brianlittrell797 fake. Sm fired her as the request from members. She is a devil
Jessica being removed from GG was one of the worst moments I’ve had. Tears flowed. It took me many months before I could listen to them again. GG is my heart, and it was a knife to the heart. The only thing worse was losing a Shinee member. Did I say I hate SM!
Yeah me too
It doesn't make sense to hate SM. What the Girls' Generation members and Jessica want each other is Dalat, Jessica brought about. It's very sad that a SHINee member passed away, but SM is running mental counseling. care is being taken Other than that, I can't control people's minds! Foreigners only know a part of it and spread it, so they don't know it well, so they unconditionally blame SM. It's already imprinted, so whatever they do, it's their fault. For example, SM is so big and influential and there are many artists, so it is more exposed to the public and becomes a hot topic, but rumors are generated and people are hurt by what they say. This is not SM, please be aware of this!!
And also losing an fx member
You explained my journey completely. I still haven’t recovered from Jonghyun, and Jessica leaving GG took me a while to process.
@@낙원-h6z u r crazy 🤪🤪
At that time I remember feeling very confused about the departure. I thought that it was Jessica's choice. Little did I knew that SM where so vicious with her and her private life as well as with the rest of the members. It took me literally zero seconds to realise that Jessica was choosing freedom. She was betrayed by the members who could benefit from her leaving and those who didn't dare to speak out for her. Under those circumstances, I would choose to leave too. No one was loyal with no one. They blame her for choosing her before anything but any other would have done the same in her spot. I'm glad Jessica is doing good.
EDIT: Y'all, just because I think SM isn't a great company doesn't mean I think all other companies are perfect goody-goody-gumdrops from Heaven. Obviously, other companies with bad behavior exist, don't nitpick my comment just because you think SM is "better". The only thing SM, along with some other sucky companies, are "better" at is tricking people into thinking they're good and care for their idols for anything other than money. That's why people get kicked from companies when they didn't actually do anything wrong, it's because the companies lose money or don't benefit from the artists and decide to get rid of them so they can focus on the artists that do make them money. Can't believe I have to clarify this.
This is why, no matter how many great artists come from SM and how many good things they might do, I can't trust or respect SM as a management company. I'm so glad that Jessica has found a great loophole to express her thoughts, feelings, and her perspective of what happened. I know Jessica says it's pure fiction, buuuuut as you said, it's likely just to save face and stay within the legal limits.
I mean.. the way they treated F(x)... Or the Chinese members. It says a lot about them lol. Even Seohyun and Tiffany didn't like the company. They can't do their own business, or if they do, SM needs to have a cut or else they would reject it. It's honestly sad how much they are restricted and sacrifice a lot of their life.
Pfff no company is without it's issues. YG, JYP, HYBE, CUBE etc. To go around and just not trust or respect a company is ridiculous. They all have dirt on their hands one way or another
@@newzinski6946 u are intelligent one here. Agree
Okay im confused? I understand the company did some messed up shit as well but this video is about IDOLS bullying orther idols? Like you just gone skip over that? I hate SM too but SM didn't tell taeyeon to talk shit about Jessica's sister😂
@@jaideramccluney5155 I’m just adding to the list of things and people that were against Jessica, I’m not defending anyone other than her
Not only Krystal but also all the f(x) members have a very short training period. Amber once said that the average training period is 2 and half years and all the other groups have at least an average of 5 years of the training period. Also, she said that she is very sorry for other trainees who have a very long training period and who couldn't debut. Also, all the f(x) members were scouted due to their appearance and also dance skills but not for singing. They developed their singing after came to SM and debuted quickly because of their hard work.
SM made them to be an experimental group, which they were.. But sadly, just been abandoned when they brought out other groups like Red Velvet, NCT, Asepa. Amber and the other members (especially Amber) wanted to create more music but the company didn't really cared
@@ad_kk16 well aespa is their new “experimental” group and tbh I kinda feel like they’ll get the same treatment cause on one hand I feel as though they were kind of based after blackpink. I’m not a blackpink fan but wouldn’t it be a perfect time to release a new girl group (unprepared and rushed one) during a hiatus of one of the top 3 girl groups?? 👀
@@themochi8329 Sadly that might be the case. But I hope not, they truly deserve a lot more
@@themochi8329 the rushing one would be jyp's new gg
@@themochi8329 nah, aespa has clear concept. It's not rushed.
I was shocked when she left the group. She had such a distinctive voice. It’s been almost 10 years and I feel the truth should come out. It’s not going to change how I feel about any of the gals because I honestly feel none of them probably had much say in the matter. It would just be nice to know what happened.
yes , its so sad after 8 years she left tge group we wont never know what was her removal from the group.
She was KICKED OUT. As per the book it says that 8 members already made up their mind ( to remove her) and one girl(T) spoke up that she's (J) busy during the rehearsaland (J) feel betrayed.
@@hexxa3072 we don't know both side or multiple side of the story. It's true that she was kicked out. SM must have something on her or vice versa for everything to escalate like that.
@@notmyname3556 Its already so obvious, the story says that the other members complained about her and said that if she performed, they won't be part of it,so instead of letting down her fashion business ,she quit and was being kicked out of sm!.Although it is a fiction novel,u can tell that most of it is based on the real incident
@frey why are people shock that people are blaming Taeyeon . I remember when news came out about jessica getting kicked out of sm during 2014 guess whos name came TAEYEON not only but , sooyoung and hyoyeon came up during that time.
In the latest show of snsd, which is I forgot, hyoyeon talked about how she wanted to talk about certain things, about certain members but yeah, they weren't allowed.
She didn't leave once again the group voted her out thankyou
Honestly I would be very disappointed in Taeyeon and Sooyoung if they were mean to Krystal out of jealous. However I wouldn't be surprised, the industry is so competitive and cut throat, many if not most of the idols must have internalized these attitudes.
impossible
At the end of the day, these are people whom we don't know. Put your love for the idol aside and look at what the humans have done. She must have felt hurt and betrayed by the people she loved dearly, it is her right to tell the story that she feels she has experienced. I've loved SNSD since I was a kid, and 9/30 was something nobody could have ever expected. I hope someday she can return to the stage and not fear what lies behind closed doors.
For those simply looking for drama, do your own research but keep a civil tone. We may never know the truth or how anyone in the situation was feeling, but what I do know is that this company failed her, and they failed all the other girls as well. I can only hope for the best and for fair treatment to any new groups emerging into the industry.
Being hurt does not make her the victim, if we are being fair her bussiness is linked , affected by and gives profit to Tyler so of course there is a conflict of interest thay could affect them and make them loose deals and reputation , he has a bad street cred and they were the biggest GG .... she just wanted to keep her man and the group even if others were affected, just from her book you can tell how far up his ear she is and how everyone around her starting by him , acted like the girls just had to take it and put up with what made her happy ... that and taking the fact that she portays herself as the breadwinner, multitalented , overworked one while everyone just is in constant owe and jealousy just shows the level of bitterness and delusion she has all this while at the same time still profiting of their names, i swear my main bias is so careful to even mention the fandom and group and just refer to them as My fans, my love, etc to avoid them any unhapiness or pulling their strings even when she was facing bad people and the GP was on her side she never has used the brand more than to give back or says how grateful she is on and only on happy days but jess uses it to throw everyone including soshibond under the bus.
@@Youtubing4time Is there a victim here? And is it between the girls? No. The company failed to manage to resolve these issues within the group. They are the *management*, that is their *job*.
@@ggobugi13 is hard when the person is lacking self awareness and is so far up her alledgely con man boyfriend as Princess Rachel seems to be from the excerpts shown from the book, she telling her mom he was the one and her person and her mom saying im happy for you daughter when she basically lost her sisterhood and job just to co owned this flop of company that is in red numbers since 2016 with him is just the trainwreck i never expected
The other 8 didn’t feel hurt and betrayed? Nothing is stopping her from being on stage. She only got blacklist on Korean music show. She can still make music and promote on sns and… y’all act like Korean music show is the only place to promote
@@orbies but then she has to sing live and dance, things she never liked to do unless force to after debut or has she released or sang more than a versus live after leaving?
That book is probably the shadiest book a Kpop star made.
Yeah its actually kinda pity now. I mean, only Jessica's fan are into it. Sones are already over it. I guess the members as well.
I feel like Jessica has the right to tell her story since she went through it with such a backlash that i feel she can tell her side. She had to move on alone which was probably devastating for her.
Believe what you want to believe but the fact remains: Jessica's got balls 💪🏼
Imagine finding a loophole on an NDA. I'm taking it with a grain of salt because there were a lot of missing info but no one can deny that this move is absolutely BIG BRAIN.
It's not right to conclude why she left from what she wrote in the book. It might not even be about snsd and even if it is, It's only her side of the story. We probably will never know what really happened, but that doesn't give anyone the right to spread "proof" of why she left, when it'snot even confirmed. It's not fair towards the other members, who are now being attacked all over again because of her side of the story. I'm not saying that what she writes is not true, but as long as nothing is confirmed, which probably won't happen, we shouldn't draw conclusions.
I agree 👍
I totally agree
Totally agree as well! Until we get confirmations and hear the perspective from the other 8 members, we shouldn’t say anything about this
I agree
Jessica and Krystal are known for their bad and demanding behavior...
I personally believe there’s truth to how she got kicked out in the book. It lines up with the deleted dispatch article that was released. As for the cattiness in the books, I don’t really care about whatever beef Jessica and the other girls had between them, that’s their business. I just don’t understand why the SNSD members were so against Jessica’s fashion line especially when each member was doing their own thing at the time. And I don’t understand the need to kick her out. Like, besides the Lion Heart saga and the 10 year anniversary album, SNSD really didn’t do much together anyways so it makes sense Jessica was planning for her future outside of SNSD.
what deleted article?
Asian people never confront things directly. So yeah, probably a lot of jealousy towards her and one of the other girls was sleeping with an executive and got him to oust her.
@@Sanjay-dk4fo Dispatch released an article on 9/30, that sides with Jessica's 2 statements and book but was deleted almost immediatly. Thank goodness there are screenshots of it, you should look it up. That actually explains why SM didn't go for Jessica's throat publicly like they did with CBX with the lawsuit and all.
The article would've forced SM and SNSD to go under fire but sadly SM paid Dispatch enough for them to substitute it with the one were supposed insiders justified Jessica being outed. Something similar to what Blockberry tried to do to Chuu but the articles were already viral, so even when Dispatch deleted them and posted one blaming chuu, they received the backlash.
SNSD members didn't care about Jessica starting her own brand, they were bothered by Jessica constantly missing schedules and rehearsals etc
@@zootsoot2006
One of the girls was sleeping with an executive? Who, say the name.
Or are you scared of getting sued by SM? I don't think they will read this comment in youtube 😂
since September 30 2014, I don’t believe in any friendship lasting forever
Just Mad respect for SNSD's current members for staying quiet. We never heard anything from them. I know it pains to keep quiet when people accused you and your old member making shady hints and all before but the members esp taeyon really didnt put the pressure to make statement about what happened. After all these years, SNSD remained professional. Even after Seohyun, Sooyoung and tiffany left, they still respected the privacy of all the members including jessica. There were times I pity jessica but I realized, we dont know the whole history. It's 8 vs 1 and we are not kids anymore to take 1 side only. All 9 members are doing great right now so this scandal will never ruin the remaining members. They are even more succesful than they were before doing their own activities. I guess SNSD's reputation is really solid that scandals like this can never tear them.
lol you say that but people are already sending hate to taeyeon again. it doesn't ruin her career, but she breathes and people are sending death treaths to her, so it does ruin her every single time.
@@paulambs she's a horrible racist and person so who cares
@@paulambs they even hate her for feeling sad about younger gen idols and how they have to suffer because of the media and netizens
" people want to hear what they want to hear.they wanna believe what they want to believe ,they wanna see what they want to see .so its useless giving explanations from our side "
-Taeyeon -
That's why I love King Taeyeon
OT8 not saying anything also could be because of the label value. SNSD has value that they can profit from. If one of the members gets in trouble, that decreases the value. For that reason companies and members try to keep away from talking about anything scandalous. OT9 will ALWAYS be SNSD and I find it weird that Jessica speaks about what happened on 9/30 considering it also affects the profit that she makes from being associated to that label and because what she's telling damages SNSD.
Well, I love the girls... but we can't deny that many of them gained A LOT with Jessica out, specially Tiffany, YoonA, and TaeYeon... Jessica wasn't the leader, or main vocal, neither the visual, but she used to stand out. I thought she was the leader/visual when I came to know the group. She might not have the most powerful/stable voice, but her timbre was SO distinct... She was like a vocals glue, I miss her in SNSD.
jessica was a main vocalist alongside taeyeon. sooyoung also benefitted from her departure, she started having more lines in their songs and got some of jessica's lines.
Yoona and Taeyeon were already more famous than her, Jessica has never been the most popular
@@elriane94 ofc they were, I'm not saying were not. I'm just they gained more spotlight after she leitor. More screen time, more lines, they tried to erase her.
In my opinion, she's not blacklisted by SM, since they allowed Jessica have her brand along with being a SNSD member, and they allow their artists to use BLANC & ECLAIRE.
@@saturnshye yeah, she did too... it's hard not to see it
OT8's logic: u Jessica should never tell any story against other 8.. if only SM is the one has problem with Jessica. why the rest 8 stopped talking to her ever since. especially three who have left SM..
Don't forget that in every situation, there are multiple sides. In this case, (1) Jessica, (2) SNSD, (3) SM, and (4) the Truth.
We also should not take her book as completely her side. It's still a book and it needs to sell. So there might be exaggeration to hype up the conflicts.
We also need to remember who made the final decision, SM. Remember, at the end of the day, SM is a business and their end game is to make money. They had two choice. (1) keep Jessica and suffer a scandal that could damage SNSD's reputation which would lead to money loss (2) take the risk of kicking out their most popular member which could also damage SNSD's reputation and money loss. They would obviously pick the less risky choice and for them to pick the latter means Jessica staying was a higher risk for SM
SM made the wrong choice. They miscalculated and lost a lot of money because of it. SM would have made A LOT more money if they kept Jessica. Even if a scandal did surface. Idols and companies survive scandals all the time and bounce back. Often times because they are able to manage the scandal in a clever way. But when you lose one or more very popular members you are going to lose considerable money. Especially if it is a group like SNSD and a member like Jessica. SM also made the morally wrong decision. Which is typical of SM and companies.
@@brianlittrell797 All parties in this situation have made a wrong choice. We know SM groups have had issues with each, even to the point of physical fights (Leeteuk- Heechul/Minho/Key) but that never resulted in a member being kicked out. So for SNSD to have just come off the success of Mr Mr, getting ready for a Japanese comeback, Tokyo Dome concert, and Asia tour (basically still at the peak of their career), and SM still decided to kick Jessica out means something. They decided the loss of money from Jessica leaving & the potential loss of SNSD's career wasn't as significant as Jessica staying. So, Jessica had to have done something irrevocable for SM to make that final call and it most likely wasn't her fashion pursuit since she'd claimed they supported it up until she was kicked out.
@@lilyrose0116 Maybe. Maybe not. It's possible that some of the parents pressured SM into the decision to kick her out. I also believe it is possible that SM changed their minds about supporting Jessica's business and then asked the SNSD members to pressure Jessica into choosing between her business and her SNSD job. When Jessica refused to choose I think SM decided to just fire her. Which sounds petty and spiteful but I think SM is capable of being petty and spiteful. One thing seems clear, Jessica did something that pissed off SM which is why they not only fired her from the group but banned/blacklisted her. I think SM did the wrong thing because they have a reputation of behaving in a very questionable way and they seem morally lacking and deceptive.
@@lilyrose0116 Jessica made a right choice because today SNSD is nowhere to be found
@@brianlittrell797 and for them to not reveal anything makes everything wrong but whatever path they choose itll be wrong i mean after kicking her out and then not telling the truth would make people talk about it even until now because snsd is a well known group obvi and then on the other hand if they did tell the truth that it wouldnt be better either since people would start hating on the girls. No better choices and yeah this is business so they had to choose.
For now lets assume the video is right. For example like you said what if they kept her, they could've solve it out but they didn't because one would retaliate and by keeping her it would cause more problem. I was just wondering if they had a better close bond and talk it out maybe things could work out?
Side note: i lit just say i wont say anything but now i did 😭
I’ve been a soshi for over 10 years and Jessica leaving is something I’ll never get over. I just hate how even today the girls all keep quiet about it. I hope some day in the future the girls can be public about their friendship with Jessica.
Unfortunately it’s SM’s fault that the girls can’t speak about this
@@anhphi100 so sad even the member support jessica in private and talk indirectly on the show referred jessica as a friend.. Example sunny gave some word to jessica indirectly through radio show. We know what she talk about Jessica but the management didn't allowed that.. And jessica talk about yuri as friend during interview..
I believe they are legally forced to it that is why she can't even being mentioned haven't you seen how nervous they get when they mention the 9 or Siva in some way?
I remember the hate Taeyeon (and to an extent Tiffany) received back in 2014 was so bad, like death threats level bad. It was just after the Baekyeon reveal too so she received so much abuse. They're consequences to stuff like this, all to make a bit of publicity. Im sure there is some truth to this but also truth from the other side too.
People might have forgotten that Photo of Tiffany covering a crying Taeyeon outside an Asian Airport sometime after 9/30. Witnesses said that someone allegedly spit at Taeyeon and ushered death threats. SM said they were going to look into it, but that was last time it was mentioned. Taeyeon really suffered alot. It sucks that "Fans" are ready to attack her based on "she said".
I remember that too 😔
Unfortunately that’s the dark side of K-pop entertainment industry. You can’t speak up, just shut up, do as your told, loose weight, don’t date and wear tight dress and smile on camera. I’m glad Jessica is exposing the K-pop industry of how they treat their artists. but for Taeyeon, she can’t speak up because she is the cash cow of SM entertainment and doesn’t want to tarnish her reputation.
@@nathanielforsyte2687 yesss youre so right
@@lunarsoulz How pathetic of people to fall for speculations and mistreat the ones involved without firm evidence.
Everybody loves the tea until it’s about their favs. I’m just here for the entertainment
idk what actually happened with the girls and jessica but it is interesting that she decided to write a whole series about her members painting them in a bad light and sending them new waves of hate when they’re not able to share their side of the story.
Probably it's not because they couldn't share their side of stories. But they choose to stay silent and move forward without looking back. Perhaps there are some truths that they actually did something to Jessica just how it told in the book and they do felt the guilt towards her. Which is why by not saying anything to make things worse is probably the best decisions they made. I mean after all they spend only God knows how many years being together as a group and the good memories GG members had with her might be that one reason why they need to stay silent. I mean imagine all GG members saying their side stories and guess what's gonna happen next?? Medias, fans from both sides and non-fans will started to speculate things and everything is going to be worse and things will never go back to how it used to be. (Just like what we did right now.. 😅) we as outsiders only can speculate things as we are not involved in their timeline when the controversies happened and we are not there to see/witness what's the beef between them.
@@ellskystar3873 they’re all still signed to SM in some capacity so i don’t think that it’s fully their choice to stay silent. You’re also right that the other girls sharing would make things worse which is exactly why i respect them even more because even if they could have subtly said something abt her book they haven’t. There definitely is some truth to Jessica’s story i don’t doubt it but i also think it’s skewed (obviously) by her negative emotions that she rightfully felt at the time. I just think it’s a bit sad that Jessica has stated she doesn’t want to be associated with SNSD anymore yet writes “fiction” books that are obviously about them. If her experience with the girls toward the end was not the best but she misses them and hopes to reunite with them one day as a group as she says in the book why would she write multiple books making them out to be bad people? at the end of the day we’ll never know what happened as you said but to me seeing their difference in response to the situation speaks volumes.
@@mikak1765 even if they are not signed with them rn, they cant speak up coz the idols sign a confidentiality document as part of the contract
@@donkisot6275 she probably knew that when she signed her contract. also she’s doing really well in china right now didnt she just join a group and is getting ready to debut again?
@Lee Chaeryeong sm likely included a clause in her contract when she first joined the company that she’s not allowed to promote in korea unless it’s under sm or something like that
It's one of the biggest K-pop mysteries to date...
It’s not a mystery! it’s heartbreaking what the SNSD members did but it’s what happened, they kicked her out and that’s the truth
imagine being so jealous of your friend success that you resort to bully kick them out of their group they put blood and sweat into .. simply because she was a step a head of you 😷
Lol jess is more successful than ever... Glad she made her own way now without betrayal and jealousy from somebody that she used to trust
@@IlIlIlIlIIIlIlIllIAre you in 2014? Successfully sued and paid more than 10M$ in compensation??😂😂😂😭🤡 Did she betray the members and SM? Did the members betray her? She chose that cheating bastard Tyler OVER the members to be with her all her life, and you talk about jealousy??? jealous about what?? She doesn't even have any real award trophies, she's bad at acting, sings OSTs and flops, what she has a lot are the Golden Stars who fantasize about her position in Soshi, without her Soshi would still have trophies. The best female group still has a comeback and has a high # peak in their career after 15 years 😭😭 give me one name out of eight people who is jealous of her debt??
@@xaban5967 It’s really pathetic for you to believe those rubbish media. Sica is stronger than you think. If you just want to criticize her, it’s really a waste of time. Jessica also successfully captured your attention.
I love Jessica when she left i was really sad
jessica is happy now, don't worry. if you want to follow her actifities in china can search Jessica Seaside band in mangotv channel. she had song for her fans goldensky chinese version for china goldenstars
I am very grateful to the members who took the initiative to vote to kick Jessica out of SNSD. And I really appreciate the 2 youngest members who fought to keep Jessica. Thanks to the tragedy 930. 2022 could see Jessica show her potential in leading a group. Jessica didn't shine alone but with AOTU members she was able to show a beautiful appearance.
no one believes she was leaving to get married. she would be married by now if that was the truth. the members didnt like her cause she was successful. Ive been in K-ent now for over 25 yrs. Most of the book is what groups do to one another and how companies deal. the truth is SM would have said nothing about the success but the other bandmates and their parents wanted a cut.
successful? The most successful members were taeyeon and yoona. Jessica's fame was mid compare to other members. Back in the day yoona only sleep 2 hours a day to pursue her acting career while doing snsd activities. Taeyeon said they were having hard times because of her, clearly she didnt sacrifice herself just like yoona did, instead she sacrifice her members
@@SERIOUSLEE774 Nah, Jessica was one of the biggest members in the group. Yoona was already doing commercials before she was even in snsd, so she was always busy.
@@queeralyankadick8551Facts.
@@SERIOUSLEE774 Jessica was booked and busy, and still she was committed to the group. Couldn't say the same for the acting line, they were constantly absent and chose to prioritize their own things. That's why sones can't defend their "Jessica was always absent for her brand" narrative
@@Melody_gs bye bye jessica
Too many pressures put on her and she couldn't handle it and not getting along with the others. It was best for her sanity that she left but she is missed. She's a lovely girl, so talented. I wish her well xoxo
People should learn to share their stories as long as they don’t hurt anybody, especially when the truth is not even revealed. I hope the other 8 girls stand their ground, esp Taeyeon, she doesn’t deserve another hate train that she got back in 2014.
Jessica really did hurt people with this though, didn't she? She paints other members as criminals, and essentially shamed them when they were victims of r*pe from the higher-ups.
@@aheedle what?? Okay now I’ve lost all respect for her and I feel like she deserved to be fired…she’s just putting fuel to the fire and I think she should stop cause it’s not making her look good
@@i_aint_gonna_cry4u187 I edited my comment because I spread misinformation, I am so sorry about that. I didn’t realise the bit about outing was a rumour, and false, but everything else is true.
@@aheedle I don’t believe her because the other 8 girls haven’t commented a single thing about it…she can’t be the ONLY VICTIM…I’m sorry I don’t buy what she’s trying to say…it feels like another kwon mina story
@@aheedle okay I’m not sure of the lesbian part but I refuse to buy her story… the other girls should also come out before fans take it to the next level but I’m pretty sure they’ll just stay quiet
Jessica was the signature sound of SNSD. When Tiffany started taking over her lines, something felt off.
Jessica is irreplaceable. She returned to the stage after many years and is still as dazzling as ever. No one can replace or destroy her existence.
At this point i want them all 9 members sit together and tell us what the hell happened
@Espurrrxd why ?? iam a sone I have been their fan since their debut i think we deserve to know😏
I feel like I need to read the book, but here’s what I’m thinking: for one person to go and write a book that puts themself at jeopardy isn’t an easy choice. That’s the choice of someone who feels burdened by the truth. It’s what whistleblowers do. Honestly I applaud Jessica for being so headstrong. All the girls went off to have their own careers within a few years of Jessica leaving. Some have been more successful than others, but it’s easy to imagine some being jealous of Jessica’s connections and the clear security she was going to have post GG. None of the other members really have that, save Taeyon.
That is honestly far from a "book" and it's no surprise it had tasteless review, and you may discover how boring, delusional,narssistic, and self centric that " book" ( as if) was,As once a fan of hers I was embarrassed to my teeth and cringed as well.. of how that piece of fanfiction that belongs in world Wattpad is, I read it back in September and I was like " this shit is Mary sued to oblivion and doesn't even cover the struggle of the girls, Rather it slut shames minor trainees,belittles every else efforts and embellished and superficial very cliche writting, very far from whistle blowing more like banking on a old drama out of bitterness and pettiness .. and the fact that some fans Actually think it a tell all is amusing ASF" The word building and plot was extremely flawed and the timeline doesn't even match up with things that was known at the time, it's misogynistic nature makes it even more obvious that the bf had a lot more to do with it,he needed a business model and she was the perfect choice being a member of the top GG so the only way was to sweet talk her into thinking that the girls were a) dumb b) Jealous and catty C) Manipulative and had no voice and also the reasons for jealousy brought up in the book didn't t even made sense at all, Just seem like cover up for mistakes that have been on her part but still wants to be painted in the best light when she wasn't the most popular, Taeyeon and Yoona had a secured solo career too,Half Of The fanbase we're Taeyeon's fans and her songs we're hits, same with the Yoona and the other actresses acting career had been established she even graduated college and did well as the Queen of CFS,so their individual CAREERS were ALL secured already, SM could have made made Taeyeon take off with her solo in 2008 when her OST climb the charts and SNSD were suffering black ocean, with having a huge amount of solo fans imagine what would have happened to the remaining members and the group lol... if you want a brutally honest review of the book, Check kneecaping kpop podcast and Shawol360 reviews here on RUclips
This is the most sane take ive seen. Ive read both books and you hit the nail on the head. I don't think many people see this side of the industry. They think because a group is successful that everyone inside it are magically happy. When in reality, even the most successful idols know eventually the group will no longer be their main source of income. Seeing the way Jessica was thriving and pushing to secure her future would definitely put some of them on edge especially if they felt she was being given preferential treatment with regards to her business ventures and dating scandals. Unfortunately this is due to how the industry is structured. It's been getting better but at the time some of the stuff she did was unprecedented and seemed like a bigger deal. Now it's normal for idols to have more freedom to pursue their individual career goals and even date. Back then it seemed SM protected Jessica and afforded her more opportunities which incited jealousy towards her. Which sucks because the company is only thinking about profits and not about the members' feelings. Everyone should have gotten the same chances but just because they didn't doesn't mean Jessica should be persecuted for what she got. It's a really unfortunate situation honestly.
That's absolute bullshit. You talked as if SNSD members aren't rich enough to sustain themselves post GG. Like they've been doing solo stuffs and are successful in them since forever. Some like Sooyoung and Sunny were born into wealth. Why the fuck would any of them be jealous of Jessica's so-called security, the one that she obtained only because she sleeps with a rich dude?
Personally idc what actually happened but Jessica was a grade A bitch when she released the book. She didn't even have the courage to release an actual tell-all and had to hide behind half truths and fictions. Imagine a 30 year old woman acting like a petty teenager because of some disagreements with long time friends instead of doing what sane people with a fully developed brain would do, which is just move on. She's very lucky the other SNSD members are more magnanimous, mature, and took the high road by not bad mouthing her even though they could.
A whistleblower are people like Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning who weren't afraid to name names and point to the actual problem and culprits. Jessica is just a cowardly bitch.
@@TheSUMMIE and its also funny to me cause Jessica was kicked out for that but not Yoona or Taeyeon who had way more solo gigs than her and other members also did not participate in many schedules due to solo stuff, i think the only member who never missed a performance was Hyoyeon then followed by Jessica. I honestly find it very hypocrite of the members if that was the reason they started not getting along and had a meeting.
I will always love all of the members including Jessica and support their careers individually 💕 I think that everyone expects the girls to get along all the time when it’s just not possible. Being an idol is a job they don’t have to be besties with everyone in the group. What happened to Jessica was so upsetting but it’s been years and I think we should not dwell on the past because all of them seem to be happy.
I don't think it was personality, having worked with her for 9 years, they knew her measure. I don't think it was the time spent on non-SNSD stuff. I think it was money. It's always the money. The alleged "lack of devotion" displayed by Sica could very well have been monetary in nature, her refusing to pay out percentage points of (expected) B&E profits to people who weren't contributing design ideas (or anything else of value to the business) just because "SNSD made you popular, nobody would buy your shiz on its own merit". Especially after the initial deal to let her start had been struck. They may have tried "We're altering the bargain; pray we don't alter it further", and I can well imagine her telling them to pound sand.
@@xheralt I don't think B&E were making any profit (not revenue) at the time Jessica was kicked out.
I also don't think B&E was growing that fast at that time either. It doesn't make sense for SM (and/or ot8) to demand that much from B&E since there was no clear future to it yet.
What happened there was a kind of bully btw .. why people attacking the bullier nowadays and they reach to the point of asking the companies to kick the bullier ( which is the right thing to do ) but in case of SNSD its totally ok and forgettable !
@@shivaa734 sorry but did you just say they kicked sica out because she was a bully?
@@habeebahshittu4753 you can not be strong enough to face 8 members no matter how brave you are
Jessica is within her right to say her side. The girls kicking her out and telling her the morning she was leaving was so wrong. Yes, Jessica had a boyfriend and a fashion label she was launching. The other girls had TaeTiSeo, dramas, and solos- And while the other members -ususally- wouldn't admit to dating publicly, they did date as well. Jessica should have been allowed to promote her own individual ventures the same as any other member.
And her book is telling her truth, not "shading GG". If you watched her bawl her eyes out on stage on Sisters Who Make Waves while reading a letter to her fans and mourning spending her 15 year debut alone as all of her "sisters" came back with an album without her pretending she never existed... Those tears were genuine. I definitely question the other girls. As much as I love them it took a very long time for me to be able to support them again- Especially Taeyeon. It took a lot for me to be able to support her solos.
She wrote that the other girls drugged her and a member slept with the boss to debut. Do you believe that these are her truth and no desire to "shade"? There is zero attempt at destroying her former co-workers' lives? She witnessed how rumours destroyed T-ARA. She knows the impact of her fans jumping to conclusions. I love Jessica and her style, but I cannot ethically support her on this.
How about you do a background research on what kind of person her "bf" is and what role he played in all of this
You're wrong for only taking 1 side while they are actually 9 member group.. We don't know the real story but still people hating taeyeon.. Accusing her for jessica's departure while we don't have a proof that all jessica's statements was real.
Anyway, even though there are fans whose stop supporting 8members especially taeyeon because of Jess departure we can still see how far tae achieved now as a soloist.
Taeyeon now is popular because of her versatility in making music, while Jessica is popular too, as former snsd member..
Jess must stop throwing shades to snsd and make her own name without connecting her life in snsd.
@@ronalyngonzaga3033 Are you sure any snsd member didnt make fame due to tag of snsd.All the members are known as so and so of Snsd.It is unerasable part of those members history.
Jessica also made a name for herself in China for her talents and dedications as an artist.So i dont know what you are talking with that last point.
@@shawolsarah The characters from that book are NOT SNSD. Bright was where the tea was, not Shine. She did not imply it was SNSD member who slept with the boss or whatever you're accusing.
So.. are we going to listen to one side only to make a conclusion about who is right and who is wrong?
People actually taking sides over a fictional novel. Crazy.
It's not totally taking sides if the given option is only one. The other didn't entirely explained anything and abruptly said a short statement and left it at that.
So I don't think it's necessary to pick a side at the moment. Unless SM or any of the members denies her accusation and explain their side of the story, enjoying this circus is only the best option.
But all and again, no one will since this is a work of Fiction, as she said. If they did, she will just say why reacting to it? "It's just a work of fiction and all of resemblance is completely coincidental"
@@ushijimawakatoshi1429 I actually believe this is a matter between the 9 women privately anyways.
@@lykalu8220 do you really think that this is just "fictional" like let's be honest Jessica knows what she's doing
Yes. Because one side has been completely blacklisted from the industry while the other have flourishing careers. If there is one thing I am sure of it's that if SM is accused of a bad thing, THEY DID THAT SHIT!
At this moment I want all SNSD members to tell their side of story. We really love you. And you just can't let your fans down.
The problem to what you just stated is that SM obviously strictly imposed on the members to not speak on the issue, even if sooyoung seohyun and Tiffany left SM they still are part of snsd wich means they still have to keep quiet on the issue like the rest of the members, smth that i hate about SM is how they Manage these problems (controversy/rumors/accusations/hate etc...) with all of their idols, they vaguely speak on the issue and sometimes ignore it (even if it gets hate to their artists, in fact they don't care) try to not bring it up so the situation cool down and get forgotten fast, it's unfair to only have one side of the story, the members also have smth to tell about it, especially taeyeon who got tons of hate and accusations because of the issue and still does to this day, but it's too late the members don't need to have a say smth about it now, it's been almost 8years and they moved on and all of them have a career to mainten and now a comeback for august
from me i think they dont need to tell the truth or their side of story, as i fans for a long time i just need their to be remaint silent cuz theres no point after all to tell a story
@@Ohmyuna No, what you hate about SM is what made almost all their idol still survive and maintain long career in the industry... Truth? Whatever it is... Its gonna be messy, both side gonna hurt.... that what happen to T-ara, AOA, April... at the end of the day... everyone loss even though the truth come out. SM did care... that's why without telling the truth, despite still getting hate occasionally, all other 8 members still have successful solo career. If they speak up, imagine how long until all the members can recover from the scandal...they might not even got any single gigs...
@@zero24line everything has a good and bad side
They owe the fans nothing. Like why do fans like you think they have control over someone's life?
They moved on, and just because one person keep regurgitating the same issue every year doesn't mean they 'owe' anything to the fans
Since 2014 I simply don't know what to know or what to think or what to believe, i just follow my heart and i love all these girls, i support OT9, support OT8, support Jessica and i just won't judge any of them without knowing facts. Sadly some sones and non-sones took their sides, spread rumors and it broke the peaceful bubbles and it's not the same anymore. My ultimate, number one bias in Soshi isn't even jessica and this is how i feel.
I never understood why her fashion line was such a big deal to SM and the girls, many idols have more solo than group activities, especially when they are already successful. As a Sone, I didn't even know much about her fashion line back then. Whatever the truth is, I'm pretty sure that there was a very long time conflict that caused this, it can't be just her business.
yeah, this was confusing me too. after thinking about it, i think there are a few major ish differences:
1) compared to other members' activities: acting, singing, musicals, radio shows, and variety shows are all activities that the members would still do as idols, affiliated with snsd, in order to attract interest in the group. they're all activities that idols traditionally do. fashion doesn't have the same publicity - it would be more of a passion project, and not really linked to snsd at all (e.g. you mentioned you weren't even aware of it). not that she shouldn't have been able to pursue it anyway though
2) compared to other kpop idols with fashion lines: i'm thinking of baekhyun and donghae, because they're also with sm. for baekhyun he's somewhat less involved, i.e. co-creative director who doesn't also happen to be dating the ceo, and he launched it while exo was not very active. donghae also launched his brand wayyy past suju's prime. whereas jessica is the primary creative director of blanc and eclare, would have been extremely busy while snsd was still at their most popular, and is dating tyler kwon lol. i wonder if it also makes a difference that blanc and eclare is a luxury brand, while the other two are streetwear.
(i think these 2 are the main points - their super popular lead vocal would be too busy with sth that didn't promote snsd at a time when snsd wanted max promotion)
3) tyler kwon as the ceo also probably changed things. not only was jessica dating him, but his reputation isn't the best, and if the marriage rumours were true that would have complicated things further
but this is ofc just speculation (i have time, so). i mean, it clearly was a big deal for some reason, although i agree that for this kind of catastrophic result there was probably some deeper long term tension
@@dibidubu4168 makes no sense because snsd in 2014 were past their prime. This is coming from a long time sone.
Like 2012-2014 they didn’t have that many comebacks I think they didn’t even have one in 2012. Mr mr was their last one and there wasn’t rumors of another one. So rhey we’re releasing once every year or every other year. I don’t get what they big issue was.
Also three of them were dating… so why couldn’t she.
I think the issue was that she was daiting a rich Chinese guy with power and they felt threatened.
@@Pocketdekuwu 2012 was the time they were mainly promoting in japan though so a comeback in korea will be hard.
Cuz jessica dont have responsibility in her career
@@Pocketdekuwu Past their prime? The 2015 album Lion Heart sold 800k copies... In 2012 theywere busy helping establish the hallyu wave in Japan, in 2013 they had one of their biggest songs of the year which is still influential even TODAY (think NMIXX O.O), in 2014 they held sold-out tours in Asia... You have no idea what you're talking about
*sigh* honestly..this makes me feel sad and not that excited for their comeback after knowing all this…
Oh hey, someone who's been duped.
@@SSkekunra 👍👍
Guys, just because they are a girl group don’t mean they need to be super besties or forever friends. I mean, even if among the members there are conflicts its more than normal because we are humans. People are different and when worked together there will be disputes and emotions. Take it with a pinch of salt. The book is written from her lens and no one knows the other side. The same truth can be vastly different in different perspective and angle. I had the most toxic colleague that stirred shit and twisted facts to other people. The things she said were factual but she take things out of context and skipped all the part where she is in fault. And suddenly people think she was an angel and the other side is the bad guy.
Not saying Jessica is the bad guy, though her shading SNSD does leave a bad taste, just saying there are different perspectives and both can be right and not at fault. (If it isn’t clear enough, that’s my own opinion is that she is shading. You can form your own opinion whether its shading or not. That’s not my main point.)
I think we are all mature and old enough to know its normal.
SNSD let them live as the legacy please. Don’t let these things ruin the beautiful memories.
I am not an SNSD stan but I been to see through their legend that brought Kpop out to Asia and all. The whole Jessica leaving the group has already caused them a lot of discomfort to all involved then. Really don’t need to dig out again.
I don't even think she shaded SNSD. It was pretty clear to me that this a heat of the moment thing. And she wrote she wished she didn't have to go. Also the part where the other members in the story said they wouldn't be on stage with her if nothing changed... it didn't sound as if THEY said that she should leave though
@@mangamama9881 I mean I respect your thoughts but what I heard here in this video can be the narrator’s fault I do see it as shading. We don’t need to agree on this. Its our own opinion. As I said don’t make her a bad person. I mean I can understand she wants her side to be known if that’s her intent. But just as someone who you know lived long enough. I prefer just don’t cause of her position many haters are waiting to feed on rumours and will take things out of context. Well that’s my personal opinion.
But my main point is I have seen so much comments that defended on the grounds that oh they are all very close and all. They cannot be… it must all be the company fault. So many people spoke about normalising Idol not being perfect. I hope we can all remember they are humans and if indeed there is conflicts. Its fine. They don’t have to be besties to be legends or a good group. Paints an unrealistic image. I used to be like those awww they are all super close any conflicts are rumours or hating on them. But when I grew up and went through things, these are normal.
Not saying it is true but even if it is true. It should not shaken their legacy or anyone involved.
I don’t think anyone truly want the departure to happen. They all knew the consequence they have to pay if Jessica left. (My own thoughts)
I don't think Jessica 'shade' the SNSD members but more like she was trying to say something that she couldn't say to her fans at the time. She's kicked out, the one who told her she was kicked out was SM and they said it was because the other 8 does not want to go on stage if she stayed. So, it wasn't her choice to leave the group, she was not a betrayer like the media/knetz portrayed her to be.
And just to be clear, the other members has shaded Jessica multiple times in the past. Even the group leader dismissed Jessica existence during their training years, so it's both side. However, it's been years maybe they had already reconcile enough not to have any bad blood anymore but doesn't mean they are beasties either.
@@maddiphen2538
"So it wasn't her choice to leave the group"
In a way IT WAS HER CHOICE.
She was given 2 very simple options:
1. Being 100% committed to the group just like ALL OTHER MEMBERS , or
2. Choose her business career..
She chosen her business so she needs to be kicked out from the group. She can't have it both ways.
Either its 100 PERCENT COMMITMENT TO THE GROUP OR ZERO PERCENT. THERE IS NO FIFTY FIFTY or 60/40 or 75/25 whatever!!!
Exactly, they were co-workers I'm sure some of them are friends but not all.
still remember that ot9 catch me if you can mv. and they quickly take it down after Jessica leave and upload the ot8 version.
as an adult and no longer big fan of snsd i think it about jealousy jssica has her glow up area in 2012/2014 and they didn't like it
yup, even tho I think not all of them were jealousy (the bad leader and yoona were always the most popular) but the other 6 flops had all the reasons to be jealous lol
Seeing them 9 again is my ultimate kpop goals before I die
FR
From T-ARA, April, or AOA (and maybe more) cases, I've learnt not to judge only one side. We will always be a protagonist in our own story. Our perspectives might be different than others. So no need to send hate to either one. Only time will answer all questions, or not. Who knows.
Please don't hate on anyone in her narrative as such conclusions are not confirmed.
defamation laws are crazy in sk that anyone can make a case out of the smallest thing. so it's super smart that she's written a story that is "fictional" about all these "fictional" situations. either sm will fight these claims and reveal they're as bad as the books makes them out to be, even though it's fake, or stays quiet and we all have a tidbit of what ACTUALLY happened without "knowing" what happened. 😉
Yep! I think Lizzie is loosely based on Taeyeon tho @7:00 I think Taeyeon is the only member with a younger sister (other than Jessica). Sunny,Yoona, Tiffany & Sooyoung I think are all the youngest of their siblings. Yuri * Hyoyeon both have brothers, idk their ages tho. Not sure about Seo tho. I don't know who Mina is based on tho
Jessica is so smart for that ngl 😭
I was watching soshi show on youtube that was for their comeback last year, i didnt watch last year, and when i watch it just now, i cant help being saddened by how they didnt mention her at all and she wasnt even in any of the videos when she very much did exist back then… heartbroken thats why im searching for jessica and got here
I want to read this book just now
Writing a book that has fictional parts in it and then claiming the reader can decide what's the truth and what's not? I am sorry but this sounds very unfair and wrong to me. People will speculate about every fictional element if those happened and can be a start of many baseless rumors. Not the right way to put any kind of truth out imho.
True... it's immature and petty to smear the whole group like this and still claim it could all be false. Something doesn't add up with her story tbh. I read the first book and was left with the impression that Jessica's perception of others is a bit shallow. Either it's due to her being an amateur writer or that she sees the members in a cartoonish/black and white way, and that makes me suspicious of what really happened.
Every lies come from some kind of truth. Every true story movie contain more fiction than the actual truth. It's all about presentation and interpretation. Nothing fishy nor shady about it. It's been done for so long.
@@starrynightfall00 well it’s meant to be “fiction” lol
That’s the only way she can publish some of her truth and give hints? She can’t ever tell the truth legally but humanely it’s unfair to her because she was forced out of the group(by people she’s been working with for years and I can imagine the betrayal she felt) and I’m sure she wanted to tell her story someway. As you can see from almost 90% of the comments everyone isn’t biased just from her book they took it with a pinch of salt and are very much clear it’s her side of her story. Besides all the other members of GG have very strong fan bases there’s no way ppl will cancel the others as ppl like you and many others are downplaying jessica’s side of the story :)
not for the readers to decide on the truth, but to have their own interpretation like all how people normally read fictions. lol.
I understand she wanted to focus on her own business and her own life, but being in a girl group was a job too, on other hand SM is a horrible company and instead of help her giving her the time she needed to focus on herself, they kicked her out in a sultry way.
Alot of people have two jobs
A lot of the others members had side jobs too during the time and even now with their solo careers while doing group stuff. So much hypocrisy. SM messed up choosing a side that increased tensions instead of decreasing them .
Why blaming sm? If jessica is business collaborate with sm, sm can easily schedule her activities. But nuh she being greed and messed up snsd activities. She got kicke out by members not by sm
SM stated they were fine with it.
It was the other members that changed their mind. Because the other girls also had side projects, but not as successful as Jessica.
And now Jessica is more successful than the flop ot8
First, they were in the middle of promoting Mr Mr. Second, she recorded 'Catch me if you can', so we know she didn't wanna leave SNSD (at that moment). Third, the rest of the group just erase Jessica from their lifes as she didn't exist (which infuriated me!) Fourth, and last, when 3 of the members pursued solo ventures, the rest was ok with it...
FOR ME IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.
Being hurt does not make her the victim, if we are being fair her bussiness is linked , affected by and gives profit to Tyler so of course there is a conflict of interest thay could affect them and make them loose deals and reputation , he has a bad street cred and they were the biggest GG .... she just wanted to keep her man and the group even if others were affected, just from her book you can tell how far up his ear she is and how everyone around her starting by him , acted like the girls just had to take it and put up with what made her happy ... thar and taking the fact that she portays herself as the breadwinner, multitalented , overworked one qhile everyone just is in constant owe and jealousy just shows the level of bitterness and delusion she has
@@Youtubing4time girl you commenting the same thing under everything… shut up
hey come on those last 2 aren't relevant. the members were obviously given strict instructions not to talk about her (remember when hyo panicked after the live ot9 slip?) and the other members' solo careers were both 1) lowkey after their prime and 2) still music careers clearly affiliated with sm and snsd. not saying jessica wanted to leave - you're right, it's obvious she didn't - but that doesn't show anything about whether the members were directly responsible...
Y'all don't know what these entertainment companies are capable of and it shows. Stop being ignorant.
This comment is so dumb are you a kid or what we'll if you're infuriated at them then stay pressed LoL, Pretty obvious as if they run the company on their own and don't have contracts to fulfill lmao 💀
Idk about the details but the fact that she was blacklisted for so long, it's as if they were "punishing" her for something and usually companies do that when you don't agree with unfair requests.... idkkkk it's all shady and sketchy and I feel bad because it must have been and still is traumatising for individuals involved
like the JYJ thing? YIKES, I don't think I can ever be on a company's side for how petty and shady they do things like seriously
it was such a big slap for jessica especially when a year or so after her departure, other members chose to focus more on their solo gigs like acting and solo debut. i'm glad she's really successful now as a businesswoman and she seems healthy and happy, good for her.
that part! how come taeyeon is the ONLY one with a solo act? even tiffany left, not that much after either, who was honestly the most popular member after jessica.
@@imgoingsolololololo4590 hyo also had a solo act not only Taeyeon. Stop hating on her for no reason
I am telling you.. Jessica was just too "scandalous" for SM. I saw people defending SM and at this point I honestly don't understand how one could see past the awful and questionable things that SM did/does.
@@SNSDCookies after eons of doing nothing for her as she was always treated as a backup dancer, so nice try. her little solo was probably sm throwing her a bone.
@@mangamama9881 !!!!! these company stans come out nowhere to defend sm in the name of their idols. not realizing their faves are probably suffering under contracts and limitations!
I love Jessica, always been my fav, but I always thoughy she should've started business when their contracts are over like when Tiff, Seo and Soo left the company
It’s called jealousy. Something women do. If one strives, they’ll bring that person down. Jessica had backup plans and it’s called growing up.
Honestly I feel like its fair that if one members other activities are affecting the group or causing unnecessary stress, to ask them to leave (I say ask because I dont believe she would have been kicked out so suddenly as Jessica said she was with no prior indication)
Her writing novels was a smart move. But all of this brings back memories.
Back in the day, everyone went with rumors, Information flying around. Twitter Threads, alleging she’d get married asap and that this was the main reason, she’d left. She’s still not married in 2023. It’s also really amazing that so many male idols had and have side businesses and didn’t get kicked out, but she did.
I am still rooting for her to this day. Wishing her all the success
so we're not going to address the irresponsibility of her book? the way she mixes fiction and reality to tell her story isnt inherently bad BUT if she adds things like rachel was drugged how will people know if that's true or not? drugging is a serious accusation and adding sensationalist shit like that makes the whole book seem much more like a petty cash grab than an actual attempt to tell her story. i have been supporting jessica as her own individual artist since 9/30 but this is one project of hers i will never support
the whole book is fictional, the interpretation by the fans is not on her
it is not a autobiography .
@@udebrl she literally encouraged fans to interpret and told them she mixed truth with fiction ffs.
@@udebrl thats a very simplistic way of viewing something that was obviously made to stir the conversation a certain way. i feel like if the book was written better (aka with nuance and actual care put into the characters) the "this is fiction" argument can be used as an excuse but it isnt. shine was okay, but all bright does is write rachel as a mary sue, her boyfriend as a guy who helps her in business but has nothing else going for him, and all the other girls as just crazy caricatures. i feel like this woe is me plot could have worked if again, it was written with a little more nuance, but again, it's not. rachel isnt a sympathetic character at all and even in shine the girls forever members had extremely valid complaints about her but everything was written as if those complaints didnt need to be addressed bc the girls were catty manipulative bitches. the book was perhaps the most misogynistic thing i've read in a while, second only this year to silk fire by zabe ellor.
so many people in this comments section havent actually read bright and it shows. a lot of it was quite distasteful.
@@aydenwishmaker2811 "But I hope it will be an easter egg hunt for people. I want them to find clues along the way, figure out who's who, what's what, have fun with it and enjoy it"
That book sure made people speculate. She's hilarious to write about the topic with so many close parallels. I'm not saying its true but it's just very close to home. She cracks me up. She just 2ent for it to express herself. GG splitting up really sucks though.
It's not like she can come out and spill all the tea. So, she made a fiction book as close as she can to the truth to tell her story but not to much to get her sued, and as a fiction it need to have sell, thus there's a exaggerated truth.
Yeah, that's totally her point. I think I've heard she said that she mixed all the truth and fiction into the book so people can speculate whatever they want
I remember I fell in love with SNSD in the studio when they were just getting started, singing honey honey and way back into love, what a beautiful moment and time to discover them, they were unique and changed Kpop. Everything changes but good memories and the gift of Girls Generation burns strong forever, god bless them and their lives. 🥰💞💝💖
I used to support Jessica, and maybe I still do a little bit, but I am incredibly upset with her. Here is why:
This book is LOOSELY based on the real experiences of Jessica, so some of it may be true/based on true experiences, some of it may be false. However, I want you all to listen to this quote from a TIME magazine article about Jessica's book:
"But Jung says it’s up to the reader to decide the line between fact and fiction. “It’s going to be like an Easter egg hunt,” she tells TIME. “Looking for clues and who’s who, what’s what, what’s true, what’s not.”
This quote makes me so angry. For Jessica to say this, it is so disgusting. Here is why:
1) YA books, as many of you may know, are often exaggerated and blown up to be more dramatic, because that entices many young readers into wanting to read because, "Waa! Scandalous! Betrayal! Blablabla!"- You get it.
However, in this book it is theorised that certain characters are certain members of Girls' Generation, especially the two main villains, Lizzie and Mina. In SHINE, the character Mina drugs Rachel, the main character (who is based on Jessica). Obviously, this is a criminal act, and absolutely terrible.
But don't you guys see? Jessica wants the readers to decide whether this actually happened. She is essentially letting people decide whether a member of SNSD actually drugged her, when it could be entirely false. Look at Twitter, they are hating on two specific members of SNSD, because they think that the characters Lizzie and Mina are based on them. But we don't even know if all the bad things the characters did ACTUALLY happened to Jessica. But she's happy with letting two people who could be potentially innocent get hate for no reason?! She isn't saying they bullied her, she's portraying "Mina" as a CRIMINAL. Listen, maybe the SNSD member who Mina is based on actually drugged her, but Jessica being cryptic about it is not good. She needs to be honest about what is fiction and what is reality, otherwise she could be potentially defaming innocent people for no reason. That is absolutely disgusting, and I am so disappointed in her. Look at the members of SNSD getting hate for something that could potentially be fiction! And Jessica is just letting it happen.
2) REMOVED DUE TO FALSE INFORMATION!
3) In this book, Jessica's character Rachel decides that certain characters slept their way into the group, as in, sleeping with the higher-ups. She basically sl*t-shames them in her head, but you have to remember that the characters in this girl-group are all minors, just like Rachel (Jessica). So instead of talking about how a bunch of adults took advantage of minors under the guise of letting them pursue their dreams, Rachel (Jessica) shames them for "sleeping their way into the group", when really, we should be pitying them as they are basically victims of statutory r*pe! But no, Rachel (Jessica's character) thinks it's perfectly okay to shame them in her head. Jessica, how could do that? You should know that when minors sleep with adults, it's up to the adults to say "No!" instead of taking advantage of innocent kids who just want to pursue their dreams. Why is she shaming the members who "slept their way" into the book, when it's not their fault?
And hey, this might be true, it might be false, but we don't know, because Jessica is being cryptic.
Of course, Jessica is allowed to tell her side of the story, but for the past eight years, that is all she has done. The only people who haven't shared their story are the rest of SNSD. Also, she shouldn't tell her story in a cryptic, partially-fictional way, where everything is "loosely" based on the truth, and wrapped in multitudes of dramatic YA story-telling. Jessica shouldn't be painting (potentially innocent) people as criminals, and outing (potentially straight) people. That is super disgusting of her.
Also, Jessica portrays herself as some innocent angel in this book, but I doubt that is true. She probably did some wrong things too, and so did the rest of the girls.
Edit: If I have gotten anything wrong, or have spread misinformation, please let me know.
Edit 2: It has come to my attention that there is no, in fact, mention of the maknae being a lesbian and that this was a false rumour that many people believed, including myself. I am really sorry for spreading this false information! Regardless, my point still stands, but I will remove the point about her potentially outing anyone, as this was just a rumour, and I am very, very sorry for spreading this information. I stand by the rest of my comment, though.
Up for this. People need to see this
Yup, Jessica has shown she is quite manipulative while in SM, in Coridel, in Blanc, and in UTA. She takes her Fans for a ride.
Up!!! This sums up exactly how I feel about it.
Nicely put. I never thought about this situation like this.
She's being a drama queen and it's really sad to see that the members were professional and kept silent despite the criticism and hate while she released a book to just make even more drama and scandals
Every story always has 2 sides but choose to be neutral because i love her so much and the 8 others...
I don't think there is really a right or wrong in this situation. It's a business deal and sometimes it doesn't work out.
three sides. their side , your side and the truth
@@willt3223 times will reveals the truth
@@ronnysianturi.2852 i sure as hell hope so, but its been what, 7-8 years? i mean i dont get why jessica wont spill. 1. she lives in china now. 2. shes korean american. she damn near untouchable as far as retaliation from SM entertainment.
they can also try to sue her for breaking the nda but what court they gonna take her to? korean contracts aren’t enforceable on U.S or chinese soil.
Why others can be late or absent but Jessica can't and because of this she need to be kicked out from the group like a very serious matter? What's wrong with SNSD? Is it really necessary to take this step by kicking out a member?
Jessica was one of the best part of the group ! After she left I lost all interest in the group!
They were all jealous of Jessica
Jessica was discovered by a talent scout. Everyone else was selected through auditions. How do they compare?
things change and some people outgrow each other, whether in good terms or bad, lets say even if she was brought back to the group by "popular demand" she probably dont want to be in it either there's a good chance she's the main cause/at fault in this
also they were young adults at the time who know basic morals so if she was really wronged then members could have really defended her but in this case, it probably is mutual decision from her and the members and she graduated but is bitter because the rest of the group is going along well
honestly i trust in the 8 members more than the one even if she was portrayed as the "victim, singled out" on this social media echo chamber.
They did not take a moral stance or defend her. They didn't speak from beginning to end. Are you willing to believe their hypocrisy? Don't forget that nothing Jessica has said or done has been refuted or prosecuted. Time proved her right.
I hate it when ppl bring other family members into their petty fights. Like square up mate. It's a 1v1.
It's so sad that people are saying Jessica "left a bad taste in their mouth" by saying her side, but what else can she do? Just shut up and be kicked out/black listed?
Love Jessica, the original queen.
Jessica was so mistreated, people labeled her "as the diva of the group" and people got so pressed as if it was her fault, she was only doing her job entertaining people, it was not her fault that she had star quality, they didn't give her a break, of course she felt very hurt of being kicked out of the group, in a legendary group where she played a huge part just like the other members, snsd is not snsd without any of the members, of course that statement of "jessica wanted to leave" has always sounded to me like SM kicked her out for some reason.
Their teamwork and friendship was already ruined, when that drunk incident which dragged Taeyeon and Yoona in HongKong happened... If only Jessica just come clean about that incident, none of these would've ever happened...
Taeyeon was extremely envious and jealous of Jessica. She hated her
Taeyeon doesn’t need to compete with J since Tae always better in vocal and more popular 😅
Jessica is a talented woman with a diamond-like voice and charming temperament, which Taeyeon does not have.
As if
I just hope one day gg members can be on good terms and if no, then I hope I can see them all together one more time.
I can only say it is something that is impossible to happen. Jessica's reunion with some of the members is still a possibility. But if the reunion with all the members is very impossible. Even until now Jessica has never been in touch with any of the members. So far, fans have only been given illusions about OT9. Starting from members who often like OT9 posts to posting similar photos.
Jessica deserves better
If you're watching soshitamtam now, you can legit see the result of this debacle...OT8 discusses work very seriously and try to stay business-like. I think this experience was a tough lesson for them to learn compartmentalizing work and friendship. It's sad how it all went down, but I'm glad time has been kinder to all of them. They're forever OT9 in my heart. 💗💗💗
at this point, no one should care about this issue other than the people involved. no events should be out anymore and instead them(ppl involved-no fans/public/even sm) try to make a calm either peaceful or painful closure. dragging this all out/fueling the fire/putting it on spotlight again and again is just hurting them all.
I always thought it was more to do with the members than s.m. themselves. Don't get me wrong I don't dislike anyone in snsd, Jessica and Krystal both have/had alot of things going for them before and after becoming idols so I can see jealousy playing a part. Plus as long as s.m. was getting a cut of the profits I can't see them wanting to kick her out.
Jealousy? I can understand if she accused someone else from snsd to be jealous of her, but definitely not taeyeon. Girl was popular with GP even before their hit song Gee. Funny how all of your are disregarding her toxic behaviour toward taeyeon, yoona ( Hong Kong incident) and Tiffany (Korea independance day) and often hitting and abusing hyoyeon off cameras (only fan cams showed that) girl is not purely a victim. And proof is the girl's are still close till this day. Not logical to have them all being jealous just of her lol
@@ranbleach3293 Can you provide links for the incidents u listed? I literally cant find anything about her “toxic behavior” and “abusing” lol
@@Vivian-ho1xu The Hong Kong incident is when a news article was released showing two girls drunk falling into a bin, and people thought it was Yoona and Taeyeon, I think. But it ended up being Jessica, but Jessica stayed quite and let Yoona and Taeyeon get all the hate, when she was in the photo actually.
@@aheedle Then who was the other girl with sica?
@@michiganisthebeststate1081 cousin her'lover 😏😂😂😂
8 of them just still together for 15 years until now, you can just read from them who was have big ego here, but that past time, we need to move on and choose our path
I think 8 of them afraid to said anything cause they dont want to have a same thing like jessica now
I love how people seem to think it's "reasonable and fair to listen to the other side of the story" when the "other side" is a company known for its history being abusive towards its artists, JYJ and Han Geng are there to prove it wasn't even the first time. By trying to being "impartial", they're just being unfair. Most conflicts have two sides, sure, but that doesn't mean both/neither are right/wrong and stand on the same ground, you know. In most cases, there isn't a middle ground for false, pretentious sense of fairness and justice, the truth may lie on one side and I won't ever believe it's the side of a huge company known for being oppressive.
Other side is not Company but other 8 member ..
the other side is not SM, but 8 members lol
@@olive_dreamy SM was mentioned several times in this video, for taking also part into what ended up with being Jessica's departure.
Right?😂😂😂😂😂😂 the "other side" is a company that was sued for slave contracts. Korean govt had to create legislation because of them
There's no mystery here. The statements from SM and Jessica don't really contradict that much.
Jessica wanted to start a fashion line, and knew it would consume a lot of time. She waffled back and forth about whether or not she could remain a member of Girls' Generation. She was presented an ultimatum - one or the other. Her indecision left the company and group in limbo, and ultimately they made the decision for her because they needed a clear path forward. Jessica felt backstabbed because she had been with the group and company for years.
I'm a supervisor at my job. You want to accommodate your employees as much as you can, but you can't bend over backwards. If someone isn't meeting expectations, whether it's their attendance or quality of performance, you sometimes have to let them go - even if you like them personally. And it really sucks.
It's business, not personal.
@Mihaela I forgot to mention that I'm a longtime SONE myself. I heard the rumors that she was going to be leaving before it happened and commiserated over the whole ordeal with the SNSD tumblrsphere while everything was unfolding.
SM did say that she could have her company if it didn't conflict with Girls' Generation's schedule, but that doesn't mean the negotiations were finalized. The fact of the matter is that running a business isn't just a full time job, it's an overtime job. In the mid-'00s, a lot of rappers and record labels created their own fashion lines, which were largely vanity projects - not taken seriously in the fashion world, quick to fold. Had Jessica remained with SNSD, that's what Blanc & Eclair would ultimately have ended up being.
If the story about the girls' parents is true, it still doesn't conflict anything else, and no one knows how much it would have actually influenced the decision anyway. It's not completely implausible, but there's a good dozen parents across the group (in other words, not a cohesive unit) and the notion that they're more business-minded and brand-conscious than SM is a stretch. I've always taken it with a grain of salt, just hearsay.
She filmed the original CMIYC video and was part of the initial Tokyo Dome preparations. Those are things that happened. Jessica also filmed the "Divine" video, which is rumored to have been (and very much feels like) her farewell.
The one thing I don't remember ever hearing anything about is her getting kicked out of any fan events - that would have received a lot of publicity.
I agree it was business, but not on the time aspect. Money. Follow the money. My theory: She struck a deal with management (particularly at the C level), and then somebody else (maybe member individual management [usually also their family]) started demanding a piece of the action (or a bigger-then-agreed-upon piece), and Sica told them to pound sand. Not "giving back" out of expected profits could be construed as the "insufficient devotion to the group" cited from SM's side. Sica would quite possibly regard it as paying tribute to 8 leeches who weren't contributing anything to her design vision (or her bottom line). OK "leeches" is harsh, but it would be a severe financial drain on an already-shaky startup.
@Mihaela He business startup wasn't interfering! If you track the timeline, she was ousted _before_ the Chinese fanmeet (and rehearsals for said fanmeet, which would occur AT THE ACTUAL VENUE) that people claim her ouster was about! There was nothing more involved, no comebacks, no recording, nothing else going on with the group as a whole at the time!
@@Mr_DPZ It was supposed to be a gradual and planned exit, after the fanmeet and the already filmed CMIYC. The mystery is, what pushed it forward to "right then" with such indecent haste that _they had to reshoot an entire MV without her..._ ? That's what makes the major argument scenario at least a bit more plausible for me.
Appreciate your comment for focusing on the arrangements and what made it difficult to move forward with what was arranged. It's a business, and a business where individual personalities, image and perceptions matter so much. Nothing happened out of the blue.
as a sone (15yrs and counting) jessica departure was one of the most devastating experience ever happened to sones. but look at in a professional’s perspective. Jessica has her own line, which resulted in limited brands/advertisements reach out to other members. I think this is not fair for the other 8 members because every brand wanted to be exclusive when they signed a contract, since jessica has her own line of fashion, it will definitely effect other members’ opportunities as well. i’m pretty sure the schedules need to be adjusted, sometimes dance choreography need to be adjusted from 9 members to 8 members. Having your own fashion line is another job! it’s much much more. I am still supporting Jessica (she is one of my bias), and 8 members of snsd. But from my perspective, Jessica can only do one or the other. :( sad but that’s business
For your lack of information, first, SM not stupid to sign a contract and let her do her fashion if it's affect their money, second, SNSD did have some individual commercial for different brand, third Jessica launch her brand, even after she has her own beauty products, she still can sign with others and be their model. Sorry for my lack of English
This is the take on the situation I've never understood.
Other members can have acting gigs, variety, radio, sub units, solos, brand deals, etc., but Jessica can only have one job and needs to choose? What?
Others have tried to argue that those things increased SNSD's brand as a whole, but they never explain why Jessica being a successful designer wouldn't help SNSD's brand.
Also plenty of celebrities have their own brands and still take endorsements. Even if Jessica was limited in their deals, there was nothing to stop the other members from signing with brands. When was the last time ALL of SNSD had the same endorsements? They were certainly well past that at that point.
And there doesn't seem to be any documented missed public schedules. Maybe she missed some rehearsals, but it doesn't seem to have impacted the overall quality until she was suddenly out. Their reasons all around don't make sense.
I've reasoned (not that it holds any more water than any one else's guess) that it could only really be two things:
A. They didn't like Jessica. This might or might not be justified, we don't see their attitude behind closed doors, but it seems they got fed up with her presence in the group and wanted her out. Perhaps they thought she might not resign her contract, and when she did that started the push to remove her.
OR
B. Jessica's relationship was real and was getting serious. They thought the scandal would damage the group and that led to them pushing her out. Now a days a group that size with that seniority of that age wouldn't really falter over a dating "scandal", but 2014 was a very different time...
sooyoung did her brand too in 2016, that's not unfair.
Just make note jessica never leave the gg when they do rehearsal or performance you supposed to pointed those who has acting scheduled which most of them who always leave the group for their individual activities
They kicked her out but then they didn't even release that much after Jessica left..
Well then Their best selling album in history lion heart (2015) says hi🤡
When I saw 2ne1 back on stage at Coachella. I immediately imagined what if SNSD and Jessica were on the same stage and singing together again. I'm tired of all these rumors, I don't care about the truth anymore, as a fan who still loves the nine of them so much I hope everyone can move on and forget about this and return to the stage like 2ne1 did.
2NE1 has a Freedom already. They can perform together because all of them left YG. But in the case of SNSD, 5 members is still under SM and the 3 members is still a member of SNSD. So it's really impossible to perform all members together in one stage. Unless all of them will petition to get back Jessica in the group.
@@haosru You talk like you're an SM staff or one of SNSD's members who knows everything. How cute are you 😂
@@haosru Okay I know I'll get a different response if I comment on this topic, but thanks for your opinion too. I'll got it cutie, and one more thing I'm not lying when I say you're cute 😂
To be honest I still don't understand why she was kick out of the group. Like she can still do both, run a fashion line and be part of gg. It's the same thing with the other members acting
Lol acting give money to SM while her business it's personal and no benefit to SM.
Also it will damage SNSD overall income, because others brand will think that SNSD it's not good for brand ambassador because conflict of interest.
@@yogawan3805sm will still receive maybe a part of her revenue if they let her have the business and be in gg at the same time
@@yogawan3805 I was thinking that too
Shows you that there must have been something else going on as to why the members and company reacted this strongly. She is trying to rid herself of all the blame but i dont think she’s as innocent as she’s making herself to be 🤷🏽♀️
@@SolitudeDayys you are right, since we need to hear both side but there isn't really anything wrong with taking a break from the group to start a fashion line.
I think we all know that this is not just a story. Jessica wanted to tell her side without getting sued and this was her way to do that
But how do we even know of its the truth
@@Lovemalotm it may not be the true, but is her side of the story, in all she told they maybe something that is true
@@Lovemalotm buy the book, read the book, and use your brain 😊
@@santiagoarredondo6770 true
I feel so bad for her. She will always be a member no matter what. 💞💞
True.
not anymore, get over it.
@@shreya446 Looks like you haven't gotten over, healed, the negativity inside of yourself.
@@shreya446 She was still part of the group and will always be part of it :)
Move on. SNSD is happy and successful even without her.
As a SONE this situation will always be something that I know we’ll never know the full story, not without all the girls speaking. All I can say is that out of this situation it hurts to see Jessica and the rest of the girls not acknowledge each other publicly, I give SM the side eye b/c Jessica, one of the OG members of the nations girl group, was blacklisted. And my own opinion is that to me I think the other members were wrong to make her choose, if that was true, b/c if I was Jessica I would’ve showed them that I’m dedicated to the group. Not to mention that there’s more “benefit” of being in the group vs trying to go solo with a brand new clothing brand that just barely got off the ground.
They aren’t wrong in my opinion, because before they are friends please be realistic they are co-workers they aren’t there to become family or friends they are actually in a group to earn money. Friends/family comes after that.
SHINee spoke about this before openly and I think that is the ultimate truth. We as fans should never delude ourselves to thinking that they are always close. At the end of the day, if it’s true that the girls made Jessica choose the group or her branding, that is because GG is a business and a branding.
Nobody will ever speak on this issue. Ever.
South Korean media throughout the years have almost completely sided with SNSD in this issue. You'd be suprised the amount of hate videos there is of Jessica in Korean. Over hundreds of naver articles (that usually don't get translated so many international fans aren't aware of them) hating on Jessica as well. Any explanation of this story from anyone involved would cause very bad press, which is something SM will do anything to avoid.
should listen all girls about fact, not only jugment jessica by media info. in my opnion if what all that jessica write in weibo + media is false info, SM + 8GG can sue a court of law ,but they only silent.
@@greenlamp2326 There are also a lot of international articles blatantly hating and slandering on SNSD and even more worse because it's written in English and there's no need to translate it
It’s just sad how they act as if she was never part of the group and that this whole incident never happened.
So we got a story from 1 out of the 9 members and we’re saying we know the full story? And its been years i dont think anyone cares anymore at this point. Jessica shouldve just stopped at the first book tbh like was it even necessary for the plot to say who bad mouthed who
As a sone for many years
just wanna say ppl only say things benefit them
before more content come out don't take any side
Finally the trueeeee Jessica I miss you , i hear every album before Party single ... and i just cry when i hear her voice . Jessica was the beart of the group the voices of all vocalist memebers fit so well
Many sones fans want Jessica to shut up already and go away. But Jessica will never shut up and she will not go away. She is fighter and will not go down without fight. That’s what I like about her she never gives up. After 9/30/14 she had to survive all by herself to be a solo artist and business woman.
What if 8 members open their mouth about her behavior? She will be doom
@@bjird7278 what behavior? Anything they will say it will be SM entertainment words not theirs.
@@bjird7278 they can do it!!! But they're COWARDS
I remember when there was so much fan wars against a 2NE1 and GG. Even tho I was 2NE1 Stan I also LOVED GG also. I was so shocked when Jessica was kicked out. I knew it was unfair!!!!!! I only regret that there was so much fan wars against the two Greatest iconic female bands. I miss the old/ classics Kpop era.
Jessica my fav forever