Shes 17, hes only 20, 3 years later, after his face reveal, no strong evidence he sent explicit videos, she goes online rather than takes it to police.... i call absolute bullshit
she could’ve done it when he was poppin not when he decided to do a face reveal. Obv if she did it before she wouldn’t have gained much popularity by it lmao
She’s definitely clout chasing and ruining his image. I hope he doesn’t even acknowledge her. The snaps don’t prove it’s him either it’s just messages.
@@Hennessydream I think both are wrong, even if the accusations are bull dream is still annoying and it would nice for him and his freakish cult to die out.
Something hilarious to me is a famous RUclipsr DangMattSmith who use to make Chatroulette videos was like 14-15 looking like a grown ass man, and when he was 17, Lauren Francesca a 24 year old female was openly dating him… and no one batted an eye and fully supported it… these females be living on amateur difficulty. They have his dating history and confirmed the ages and stuff and dated for a good while, kinda crazy to realize that… I thought he was in his 30’s by now. The bias is unreal.
Most of the people complaining have never been in a relationship and don't understand the differnce between 17 and 20. They only know what the internet tells them about age gaps
@@trist1199 I had a romantic and sexual relationship with someone who was 22 when I was 16. It eventually turned sour but it had nothing to do with our age difference. I don't understand the fixation on the age difference personally.
She sent a paragraph saying how much his content helped her. He replies saying he appreciates it. She persists, constantly telling him how much she likes him and wants to know what HE is doing. Years later, the face reveal, she's now complaining SHE was groomed. This week in another episode of "I'm tired of these females lying"
More people should be talking about this. They initiated the conversation and they kept persisting with it and now years later they want to "expose it" for clout
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN! Its Bill Cosby all over again. Plus if she didnt want the meat, she woulda not replied to him back then. Also its life rule #1 to be wary of strangers so she shoulda known better.
I say it depends on the state if she lives in US, if the AoC is 17 or 16 there then i wouldn’t call it unheard of Aight edit I’m not sure what’s true but I hear she was 17 then and I hear she’s 17 at the present and like 15 at the time if she was 15 this is 100% fucked
Am I missing something or is there no darker motives here? The only thing remotely sus that was said and also confirmed to be him was “ur gorgeous asf” which, i mean could kinda be weird? But that’s not grooming.
@@JaKingScomez She offered no evidence besides an irrelevant chat. How is milking wealthy people by accusing them of grooming etc. and defending this behaviour working out for you?
Jinbop used to work for skydoesminecraft back in 2016 I still remember watching them as I grew up from 2009 to their downfall it was sad jinbop is also a pedo went to jail from 2016 to 2022 or 2021 now released
3 year age gap is wack bro. ight, 13x16 is ok, 14x17 is ok, 15x18, etc. it looks weird. 2 year age gap is alright but still weird EDIT: For the people thinking I was being honest: shut the hell up, It's called sarcasm, learn it someday.
that’s why I was so confused when I first started watching the video, this doesn’t make sense.. this doesn’t deserve the same attention as the mfs texting like 12 year olds.
Yea. If this was like a normal couple and they both had like 200 followers nobody would care. But bc it’s dream everyone is running with it. But I like it. It’s entertaining
She was 17 not 7, she knew what she was doing. Plus 16 is the age of consent in most states. The only murky area is the fact that it's alledged that he sent her explicit material.
Yeah man the messages are the only issue here imo, idk how it is in the us but its fine for a 17 yo and a 20 yo to be together here in the uk. He's still using his influence but realistically these people are not kids anymore.
Even then I’d say the law on the pics is jsut inconsistent. How is it legal to smash and get someone pregnant but they too young to send you pics? The nudity thing is just dumb.
17 is old enough to know what you’re doing. He should’ve still not talked to her but I don’t think it’s grooming tbh she wasn’t a clueless middle schooler lmao
@@roguedungeon3309 age of consent is not 13 it’s that federally however in no area in Japan is it 13 the lowest is 15 most are 16-18 I hate how u ppl use that Fr
Not in the slightest bit a dream stan, however these girls are clout chasing. There’s no evidence besides friendly DMs, and allegations of the grooming.
right, and those leaked imessages are clearly fake, no phone number, not even the girls name or dreams name mentioned once… teenage girls will do anything for twitter clout, its crazy.
Birdman should honestly delete this video. Dream is going after people for defamation right now, and if im being completely honest, it’s looking like he is in the right here.
Yo Birdman, watch out brotha. Dream is suing these girls for defamation and also going after people who say the same thing online, and if im being completely honest, this situation is favoring dream right now. He may totally be in the right here.
Yea apparently he is actually in the right shits all fake, I guess the girl is known to be lying, and if they are lying ofc they should be sued that shit serious asf
He was 20 and she was 17 so I really don’t see how this is grooming and she had 18 in her bio. Unless she can get the Snapchat videos and conversations that she claims she has viewed which means the police has to make the choice if it’s grooming or not.
@@orangiat3619 People also acting like just talking to someone for a brief amount of time = grooming. Grooming is conditioning them at a young age that it's okay. When they don't know any better. Closer you are to 18 Y/o you should know better in some fucking cases.
@@wallaceluna6241 ikr. One of my relatives showed me a text where a 24 year old guy literally admits he wants to have a relationship with her, a 16 year old. Like announced his age and everything. I was fuming. She blocked him before I could chat with the asshole. And these people on the internet throwing groomer at any 2-3 year age gap. Like wtf
@@Goozero1 your cousin is actually old enough to consent to doing it with whoever she wants at 16 in a lot of places, including the US. Hell I wouldn't ask for her body count if I was you, if she is meeting 24yos and giving out her number to text them then the odds are she is doing more than just texting them. Esp if she thinks their "cute" or "hot". Lol. Again grooming starts much younger than 16yo majority of the time. However at 28 you'd think he'd be smarter than trying to screw a minor regardless if she's old enough to consent.
not really, you clicked on a video with his name in the title and face in the thumbnail and i dont think anyones holding you at gunpoint forcing you to do so
@@rdfgdfgdfg I literally heard a 20 year old girl bragging about the high school boys she sleeps with at a party and all her girlfriends laughed with her. If a guy did that he’d be in a cop car by the end of the night.
Honestly if your 20 u should stay away from 17 year olds but I’m 18 and I can’t stand how they act like they had no part in it and it’s just a 20 year old grooming a kid when most of them are just couple months away from being a adult
I get what you're saying but imagine you went to the cops after 200,000 people had saw it I feel like the cops would be more inclined to do something after so many people knew about it ya know?
@@GraphixHurricane it would actually be the opposite. Posting it all over the internet first, shows that she's not too worried or hurt by it. The police would definitely ask why she took this long to come forward, and when she did, it was over the internet and not just a police report. Police aren't dumb. Investigators aren't dumb. She would be dealing with Investigators who go after real groomers and predators. This wouldn't follow any pattern they see in almost every case they work. Women who are actually preyed upon usually report it to a hospital orthe police. If she was traumatized by this in any way. She would be sitting on tiktok, almost smiling, as she tells her story. She would be in tears and barely able to tell the story. Especially as she relives the DMs that were so "horrible". This is for fame. Hence why she immediately went to tiktok 3 years after the fact. They would also dig through both of their phones. And find out that she's the one who was initiating the conversation. She was desperate for his attention and got it. Months before being 18 too. She isn't a child, she knew exactly what she was doing. Pretty sure 17 year olds know the law. Honestly, it should be illegal for girls under 18 to initiate conversations with a man over 18. They should have the same standards we have as adult men. The fact a minor can aggressively pursue an adult and get away with it, is kind of sickening. And where was this girls parents? The ones who should be responsible for what their minor us doing. This is a new age of cyber crime that seems to just get ignored. Everyone is so worried about groomers, they don't stop to think that the man isn't always the one grooming. I believe minors can 100% groom adults. Look at this example, she used her depression as a sympathy gainer in her first message. Already preying on his emotions to garner attention. If he would've done that to her, people would be calling him a predator and manipulative....
@@onlyjoshing Unfortunately the police can’t get him unless the nudes are real. If you watch these predator hunter channels the guys barely get arrested
I knew this was fake just because of the timing. Dreams blowing up right now with the face reveal, and just like clockwork the grooming accusations come flooding in.
"I was groomed at 17 years 11 months and 29 days old via text message by a man that had just turned 20 and we were legally allowed to consent by law, but he had fame that I wanted so I never told him to stop and pretended to be into it so I could embarrass the fatty for thinking he had a chance"
She's the one pushing the conversation in the beginning. She clearly wanted to talk to him desperately. She's having a freak out immediately when he first replied and latched onto it. Now she comes out with this after he's semi famous and successful? Talk about having the mind of a child. But don't forget, #BelieveAllWomen........
He ain't first ballot tho Birdman's capping there. No mention of money, or anything that could draw them in. No talking to them like they're a little kid. Man's got creep game but he was too nervous, needs to step it up and step up with some confidence next time to get the HoF votes. He's too popular of a minecraft YTber to not have a chance but he's running out of time lowkey
Why would she put 18 in her bio when she really wasn't? What was her reason in doing so? Why would she say she'd be "18 soon" in the messages, as though attempting to skirt any age difference problems away? Sounds to me like they got together when she was 18/close to 18 (her words) he dumped her, and now years later she's making stuff up about him in contempt as some form of vengeance.
A crime is a crime but this isnt morally wrong, besides the "chest of sex toys" part he didnt come off too creepy or manipulating and she also participated in sexting so this is blown way outs proportion. And before someone says im a dream stan i didnt even know who he was until meat canyon
Nothing wrong with it. People just wanna find a reason so hate on a content creator with massive sub count. Disappointed in birdman, dude being a massive bitch. Literally hating just to hate, he doesn’t care if he wasn’t in the right or not, he just wants to find a reason to hate on this guy and it’s sad
it's legal in 90% of the world except for a couple states. Calling him a pedo is ridiculous and people just want another e-celeb to destroy because they're bored and want content,
Wait people are freaking out about 20 and 17? In most places in the US there is nothing illegal about that. It's a 3 year age gap. I guess I'm a little lost.
To be fair, a 17 year old is completely capable of making decisions and she seemed like she pushed him pretty hard. All that to say, dream still fucked up bad
It’s a 17yr old girl and almost 18 and dream was 20. I wouldn’t classify that as “grooming” be careful out here cuz some of these chicks will try to ruin you if you don’t give them ur full undivided attention
It’s nothing more than someone realising they can ruin someone else’s life. In most nations 17 and 20 is legal, I know here in the UK a lot of girls in my Sixth Form date ppl on their 20s lol. Kinda pathetic really. Especially since no one would give a shit if the genders where reversed
If you’re a famous streamer/influencer the way to handle allegations is to completely ignore it in my opinion. Hire a lawyer and don’t ever bring it up or address it because by addressing it you give confirmation to it. And by talking about it you just make it worse. Unless there’s charges brought against you the only way to handle it is to act like it never happened. It’s impossible to prove your innocence in a lot of allegations like sexual assault and rape etc, it’s he said she said
Well now that all parties involved are “pursuing legal action” I guess we’ll find out who is lying soon enough. Snapchat keeps records of all texts and snaps. Phone providers can pull up deleted messages and idk about instagram/ twitter but those first 2 are all we need. Just depends on how serious they get with the investigation.
Your phone will also retain the data as well if you deleted it. It just caches it and frees up space. However considering iMessage is with apple and they have the Cloud, I’m betting Apple got some CRAZY data. But cops can crack open your phone and go through and see everything you deleted. So yeah, legal action will for sure let us know
20 and 17 isn’t even bad, legal in most countries and is quite common. I think about 80% of the girls in my Sixth Form are dating people in their early 20s lol. Everyone’s just blowing it out of proportion because it’s an opportunity to ruin someone’s life. As usual no one would give a shit if the genders where reversed
And yet people still think looks don’t matter, it’s crazy. They probably thought he was gonna be some e-boy chad and since he isn’t they wanna roast and cancel him, damn
He talking bout “unless they show his *** video, you know what I mean, I’d have to take a look unfortunately, you know, it comes with the job i guess “ 😭😭😭🤣 man cracks me up. Love the videos bro 💯💪🏻
A 20 year old talking to a 17 year old is not pedophilia or grooming that’s ridiculous they’re three years apart. 17 is legal in most state I think anyway.
the text messages were pretty crazy compared to the dms and snaps, and i havent seen proof that it was him texting because like all the texts have the name cut off at the top and can be faked easily by texting yourself
@@choinkboinks8429 There’s literal apps dedicated to quickly faking messages lmao. This is all absolute BS and if it is real in most nations in Europe, Britain 17 on 20 is pretty fucking usual and legal. It’s only really the United States where adults are coddled like children. Such as Americans finishing High School at 18 whereas Brits finish at 16, Americans can’t legally drink till 21
@@EpicNoob99 16 is the age of consent in most states in America, but sending explicit material to minors is still illegal. But clearly it wasn't unprompted since they were in a relationship.
I just wanna say that Carson wasn't exactly targeting a minor audience just because he played Minecraft, dude was just playing games and posting vids and he messed up (although that drama shouldn't have even been brought to light in the first place).
Why are people freaking out about a 3 year age gap? 17 and 20 is no big deal in my opinion. Meanwhile there are 50+ year old men dating 20 year old women. Just another double standard in my opinion. Why come out years later and make a TikTok video of it all?? … And she was 17 at the time, a famous RUclipsr s3xting her, she knew what she was doing sorry IMO
I haven't finished the video yet, but I did notice around the 16:15 mark when she is scrolling through the insta DM's, we do see the part of their chat that she skipped over/cut out from her original vid. She was clearly the one pursuing him if we look solely at these DMs, which kinda is the opposite of him grooming her. She even sent some kind of video? I mean allegations are already bad enough, so of course it doesn't look good for Dream, but maybe its too soon to come to a hard conclusion? I will finish watching tho just to see if I missed anything before I clown myself any further lmao. Edit: Ye after finishing the vid ima have to disagree based off the "evidence" we have at the moment. Like you said in the end, only thing we can be sure of so far is he talked to this chick on insta, but based off the DMs she showed it was always her pursuing the convo, even when he just gave dry ass responses like "good hru" after 3 months lmao. So until we see the nut vid, ima have to say innocent until proven guilty on this one, but honestly i doubt he did anything like that
@@Saberdud you do realize how arbitrary that is tho? Legal doesnt mean its more moral than 17-20. In my country, agree or not 15 can be with 19-20 yr olds,
After Dream showed his face its all downhill now 💀
Step one: be attractive
Step two: don't be unattractive
@@humanvegetable you're not wrong, if this guy was attractive I bet he would have gotten away with iy
@@andrewtuttle9682 Guess it flew over your head eh? Because that's what he means lol
He's going to be an excellent example for faceless youtubers to not show their face
@@Takaroku. i hope you are joking, it didn't fly over his head when he said ''you're not wrong'' this means he agrees with him
Shes 17, hes only 20, 3 years later, after his face reveal, no strong evidence he sent explicit videos, she goes online rather than takes it to police.... i call absolute bullshit
she could’ve done it when he was poppin not when he decided to do a face reveal. Obv if she did it before she wouldn’t have gained much popularity by it lmao
Sounds like something a pedophile would say.
She’s definitely clout chasing and ruining his image. I hope he doesn’t even acknowledge her. The snaps don’t prove it’s him either it’s just messages.
@@Hennessydream I think both are wrong, even if the accusations are bull dream is still annoying and it would nice for him and his freakish cult to die out.
Yep
Y’all would not have the same energy if she was 20 and he was 17
Thats fucking FACTS
Something hilarious to me is a famous RUclipsr DangMattSmith who use to make Chatroulette videos was like 14-15 looking like a grown ass man, and when he was 17, Lauren Francesca a 24 year old female was openly dating him… and no one batted an eye and fully supported it… these females be living on amateur difficulty.
They have his dating history and confirmed the ages and stuff and dated for a good while, kinda crazy to realize that… I thought he was in his 30’s by now.
The bias is unreal.
Most of the people complaining have never been in a relationship and don't understand the differnce between 17 and 20. They only know what the internet tells them about age gaps
@@trist1199 I had a romantic and sexual relationship with someone who was 22 when I was 16. It eventually turned sour but it had nothing to do with our age difference. I don't understand the fixation on the age difference personally.
@@nekozombieif you don’t see the issue with that then there is definitely a more damning issue here
She sent a paragraph saying how much his content helped her.
He replies saying he appreciates it.
She persists, constantly telling him how much she likes him and wants to know what HE is doing.
Years later, the face reveal, she's now complaining SHE was groomed.
This week in another episode of "I'm tired of these females lying"
More people should be talking about this. They initiated the conversation and they kept persisting with it and now years later they want to "expose it" for clout
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN! Its Bill Cosby all over again. Plus if she didnt want the meat, she woulda not replied to him back then. Also its life rule #1 to be wary of strangers so she shoulda known better.
Agreed man these women are something different when things don't work out in their favor, so now they just try to ruin you for what!!!
Based response.
He really should no better than to be engaging in conversations with minors, a simple thank you wouldve been fine
I love how bird man was saying “he’s an average looking man” and now we call him “tubby” 😂😂😂
And later on in the stream he says “get this ugly fuck off my screen”💀
Well the DMs are from 2 years ago.
@@bophadesknutz7798 the people I murder I guess it was 2 years ago
hes below average
@@princerak8881 not below average, he's like "the" generic dude
She was 17 about to be 18 and he was 20 I wouldn't really call her a victim.
I say it depends on the state if she lives in US, if the AoC is 17 or 16 there then i wouldn’t call it unheard of
Aight edit I’m not sure what’s true but I hear she was 17 then and I hear she’s 17 at the present and like 15 at the time if she was 15 this is 100% fucked
Creepy? Yes
Inappropriate? Maybe
Gross? Could be
Grooming? Nah not really
Imma keep it 💯, sound like she just wants clout from this.
Exactly the only reason this a big deal is because people already didn't like him and they feed into these clout demons
Yeah 17 isn't that insane tbh. In many country's this is acceptable. Ofc if he was loads older then its different but 3 years...
I’m looking forward to his Prison Escape Speedrun
😂
Nah people will just say he cheated; with how fast it's gonna be
Holy sht this is pedophilia? I had a relation with a 16 Yo when I was 19,
Manhunt featuring the fbi
They Boutta be playing the theme song over the prison speakers 😭
Bird man saying “you skipped school cuz you were bullied” was spot on like I didn’t even think about that lmao
Who could've predicted a guy who fostered a cult following from a game filled with minors had darker motives?
I knew this guy was sus
Am I missing something or is there no darker motives here? The only thing remotely sus that was said and also confirmed to be him was “ur gorgeous asf” which, i mean could kinda be weird? But that’s not grooming.
@@diceENT he gave you Stockholm syndrome?
@@JaKingScomez She offered no evidence besides an irrelevant chat. How is milking wealthy people by accusing them of grooming etc. and defending this behaviour working out for you?
@@diceENT and that one was basically exactly 18 or he at least thought so 🤷
If you become a Minecraft RUclipsr it’s bound to happen talking to minors
DanTDM staying strong
The wrong kind of miners.
@@nuttbag6658 popularmmos too, right? Or did some shit happen
Jinbop used to work for skydoesminecraft back in 2016 I still remember watching them as I grew up from 2009 to their downfall it was sad jinbop is also a pedo went to jail from 2016 to 2022 or 2021 now released
Captainsparklez still in the clear, I hope
from talking to miners to talking to minors
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She was 18
😂😂 omfg that’s hilarious. Fucking genius comment
☠️this comment got it
W comment 💀💀💀
I actually wanna see birdman with some MC gameplay now that he said he would never make one 😂
He does have a video playing minecraft
@@Matt0607 birdman archive
its either still on this channel or on omgitsbirdman reuploads
@@Matt0607 it’s when he was testing the RUclips rules and seeing if he would get demonetized when he shouldn’t have been
Area 51
i guess dream wanted to make his dream into reality
was a bit lame but i respect the try
shit went nightmare on him
Hell nah bruh delete this
@@newangels1995 hell nah man delete this
@@serpentlag8960 I bet you are a quirky closeted Dream Stan
13:01 You can just hear his faith for humanity dropping the more heart emojis he counts
A 3 year age gap between 20 and 17 is 100% not pedophilia.
3 year age gap is wack bro. ight, 13x16 is ok, 14x17 is ok, 15x18, etc. it looks weird. 2 year age gap is alright but still weird
EDIT: For the people thinking I was being honest: shut the hell up, It's called sarcasm, learn it someday.
that’s why I was so confused when I first started watching the video, this doesn’t make sense.. this doesn’t deserve the same attention as the mfs texting like 12 year olds.
Yea. If this was like a normal couple and they both had like 200 followers nobody would care. But bc it’s dream everyone is running with it. But I like it. It’s entertaining
@@CadenLol 13 and 16 and 14 and 17 is definitely not ok
@@CadenLol Not sure if you're joking or not, but if you're not, def from the us you are XD
Mans lost 200lbs for a face reveal, just to get canceled.
She was 17 not 7, she knew what she was doing. Plus 16 is the age of consent in most states. The only murky area is the fact that it's alledged that he sent her explicit material.
true, still dream down bad fr and it still dosent excuse her both in the wrong in some degree
Yeah man the messages are the only issue here imo, idk how it is in the us but its fine for a 17 yo and a 20 yo to be together here in the uk. He's still using his influence but realistically these people are not kids anymore.
Even then I’d say the law on the pics is jsut inconsistent. How is it legal to smash and get someone pregnant but they too young to send you pics?
The nudity thing is just dumb.
17 is old enough to know what you’re doing. He should’ve still not talked to her but I don’t think it’s grooming tbh she wasn’t a clueless middle schooler lmao
@@roguedungeon3309 age of consent is not 13 it’s that federally however in no area in Japan is it 13 the lowest is 15 most are 16-18 I hate how u ppl use that Fr
Not in the slightest bit a dream stan, however these girls are clout chasing. There’s no evidence besides friendly DMs, and allegations of the grooming.
right, and those leaked imessages are clearly fake, no phone number, not even the girls name or dreams name mentioned once… teenage girls will do anything for twitter clout, its crazy.
thats what it sounds like to me. how many times have we seen these false allegations?
@@dykuizhen thats what im saying 🤨 ion wanna put an innocent man under fire but if he did it we can burn him yk!
Birdman should honestly delete this video. Dream is going after people for defamation right now, and if im being completely honest, it’s looking like he is in the right here.
Eh I need proof that these are fake, give me something to work with
"nut video got leaked" happens to the best of us
😂😂😂
Yo Birdman, watch out brotha. Dream is suing these girls for defamation and also going after people who say the same thing online, and if im being completely honest, this situation is favoring dream right now. He may totally be in the right here.
hell dawg he definitly in the right
Yea apparently he is actually in the right shits all fake, I guess the girl is known to be lying, and if they are lying ofc they should be sued that shit serious asf
He is in the legal right. Only evidence is that he talked to the normally on instagram. Their is no proof the text messages are even him.
Dream can’t sue anyone for stating what they heard from the girl unless they knew it was false. Dream can sue the girl though.
It's not like Birdman can be sued. But he still should be careful for the moral aspect of making a seemingly innocent guy look bad.
The Crimson Chin been down tremendous lately.
horrendous*
the way this fool giggled after seeing her lmao
Brutal haha
Shorty is a solid 3
@@cesar9572 naaa bruv u brutal asf
He was 20 and she was 17 so I really don’t see how this is grooming and she had 18 in her bio. Unless she can get the Snapchat videos and conversations that she claims she has viewed which means the police has to make the choice if it’s grooming or not.
True, ppl be acting like 17 year olds are somehow 10
@@orangiat3619 People also acting like just talking to someone for a brief amount of time = grooming. Grooming is conditioning them at a young age that it's okay. When they don't know any better. Closer you are to 18 Y/o you should know better in some fucking cases.
@@wallaceluna6241 ikr. One of my relatives showed me a text where a 24 year old guy literally admits he wants to have a relationship with her, a 16 year old. Like announced his age and everything. I was fuming. She blocked him before I could chat with the asshole.
And these people on the internet throwing groomer at any 2-3 year age gap. Like wtf
@@Goozero1 your cousin is actually old enough to consent to doing it with whoever she wants at 16 in a lot of places, including the US. Hell I wouldn't ask for her body count if I was you, if she is meeting 24yos and giving out her number to text them then the odds are she is doing more than just texting them. Esp if she thinks their "cute" or "hot". Lol. Again grooming starts much younger than 16yo majority of the time. However at 28 you'd think he'd be smarter than trying to screw a minor regardless if she's old enough to consent.
A 3 year gap isn't even crazy tho, but dream's texting is just sad tho lmao
Nigga 20&17 is a big difference … I think we got one guys
@@Kuhhmolly so a 3 year gap is crazy lol
@@Kuhhmolly literally 0 difference, only Americans think this is a big deal and you guys have no right to talk since your whole nation is degenerative
@@hewislamilton1590 how u know I’m from the US
@@Kuhhmolly literally no one else watches nfl, maybe canadians but there's no difference between the two
Everything I have learned about this person was against my will.
XD
not really, you clicked on a video with his name in the title and face in the thumbnail and i dont think anyones holding you at gunpoint forcing you to do so
Google owns you 😂
@@PERIDOTPIMP 🤓
@@etangofman oh gee a nerd emoji you got me bud
20 year old and almost 18 year old isn't bad at all lmao
she literally wanted to stress that.
@@rdfgdfgdfg facts it be scary to know what females could get away with if roles are reversed
@@rdfgdfgdfg I literally heard a 20 year old girl bragging about the high school boys she sleeps with at a party and all her girlfriends laughed with her. If a guy did that he’d be in a cop car by the end of the night.
If you have to very carefully word it like "almost 18" instead of just saying 17, you know its bad
@@TheScience69 I always say I’m almost “23” or whatever age I’m turning a few weeks away from my birthday. You’re grabbing at straws here.
naw whats crazy is that she heavily engaged in this convo and tries to expose em.. she really exposing herself 😂
The way birdman laughed when her face popped up 😂
We need to stop pretending 17 and 19/20 is a horrible thing. If so hundreds of my former classmates are horrible people smh. 2-3 years is NO BIG DEAL
Honestly if your 20 u should stay away from 17 year olds but I’m 18 and I can’t stand how they act like they had no part in it and it’s just a 20 year old grooming a kid when most of them are just couple months away from being a adult
@The Agnostic Philosopher true but in this society you can be labeled a pedo for it so why not just stay clear 🤷🏽♂️
@The Agnostic Philosopher for the most part yea
Fun fact on how you can tell its fake: Instead of going to the police you go to tik tok.
I get what you're saying but imagine you went to the cops after 200,000 people had saw it I feel like the cops would be more inclined to do something after so many people knew about it ya know?
@@GraphixHurricane it would actually be the opposite. Posting it all over the internet first, shows that she's not too worried or hurt by it. The police would definitely ask why she took this long to come forward, and when she did, it was over the internet and not just a police report. Police aren't dumb. Investigators aren't dumb. She would be dealing with Investigators who go after real groomers and predators. This wouldn't follow any pattern they see in almost every case they work. Women who are actually preyed upon usually report it to a hospital orthe police. If she was traumatized by this in any way. She would be sitting on tiktok, almost smiling, as she tells her story. She would be in tears and barely able to tell the story. Especially as she relives the DMs that were so "horrible". This is for fame. Hence why she immediately went to tiktok 3 years after the fact.
They would also dig through both of their phones. And find out that she's the one who was initiating the conversation. She was desperate for his attention and got it. Months before being 18 too. She isn't a child, she knew exactly what she was doing. Pretty sure 17 year olds know the law. Honestly, it should be illegal for girls under 18 to initiate conversations with a man over 18. They should have the same standards we have as adult men. The fact a minor can aggressively pursue an adult and get away with it, is kind of sickening. And where was this girls parents? The ones who should be responsible for what their minor us doing. This is a new age of cyber crime that seems to just get ignored. Everyone is so worried about groomers, they don't stop to think that the man isn't always the one grooming. I believe minors can 100% groom adults. Look at this example, she used her depression as a sympathy gainer in her first message. Already preying on his emotions to garner attention. If he would've done that to her, people would be calling him a predator and manipulative....
@@nathanwho1384 she def kept texting after his dry ass responds in the beginning
I'm not even sure if that's a crime.
@@onlyjoshing Unfortunately the police can’t get him unless the nudes are real. If you watch these predator hunter channels the guys barely get arrested
“The accuser deleted Twitter threads and now has gone private on Twitter”
Sorry red flags right here 🚩🚩
Sounds like Dream's legal team is going to get after her then. Hopefully she doesn't delete too much.
@@martinmccormick2166 I heard that too. We shall see what happens
I knew this was fake just because of the timing. Dreams blowing up right now with the face reveal, and just like clockwork the grooming accusations come flooding in.
20 and 17 isn’t even bad! I met my lady when I was 20 and she was 17. I’m 31 and her 28 now still together.
She was underage u wouod go to jail my dawg tf u mean
@@genoswolf9494 in some states age of consent is 16 lmao
Bro just admitted to a crime on the Main
Weirdo.
@@randy1469 man it's the internet these fools don't know anything unless they read it in a tweet or something
He should of kept the mask💀💀
Nah fr 😂😂😂
Ong
Yea bro.
"I was groomed at 17 years 11 months and 29 days old via text message by a man that had just turned 20 and we were legally allowed to consent by law, but he had fame that I wanted so I never told him to stop and pretended to be into it so I could embarrass the fatty for thinking he had a chance"
She's the one pushing the conversation in the beginning. She clearly wanted to talk to him desperately. She's having a freak out immediately when he first replied and latched onto it. Now she comes out with this after he's semi famous and successful? Talk about having the mind of a child.
But don't forget, #BelieveAllWomen........
People will be like “im 17 and 364 days old and this 18 yo two days older than me groomed me” and Twitter will go nuts
“Textbook hall of fame groomer” I’m dead 😂😂😂
He ain't first ballot tho Birdman's capping there. No mention of money, or anything that could draw them in. No talking to them like they're a little kid. Man's got creep game but he was too nervous, needs to step it up and step up with some confidence next time to get the HoF votes. He's too popular of a minecraft YTber to not have a chance but he's running out of time lowkey
@@Alex-tx2dh ain’t no way I just read that
Why would she put 18 in her bio when she really wasn't? What was her reason in doing so?
Why would she say she'd be "18 soon" in the messages, as though attempting to skirt any age difference problems away?
Sounds to me like they got together when she was 18/close to 18 (her words) he dumped her, and now years later she's making stuff up about him in contempt as some form of vengeance.
Love how after all these years birdman still got that dawg in him when everyone else has become so soft, last of the real ones💯
20 and 17... That's not pedophilia 🤣
Bro the corona text message game had me 🤣🤣🤣 bro slurp slurp corona !?💀
hahaha
Some girls like to set up dudes for clout. She should be just as responsible if she sent him content as well. Whats his side of the story?
A crime is a crime but this isnt morally wrong, besides the "chest of sex toys" part he didnt come off too creepy or manipulating and she also participated in sexting so this is blown way outs proportion. And before someone says im a dream stan i didnt even know who he was until meat canyon
This isnt a crime its 3 year difference
This isn't even a crime either. A majority of the US has an age of consent of 16, and she was 17 at the time.
PAUSE with the Meat talk Homie …….
@@constablekennedy7705 i refuse
Its not even a crime.
What’s kinda sus is she WAITED for Dream’s face reveal to show these DMs. She should’ve done it asap!
Birdman: “How old is she, 17? Okay no comments.”
Birdman when he sees her: “Is this her!? Is this her!?”
Lmao
Ngl dream looking kinda innocent 😭
I still can’t let him get away with those messages 😭
This dude bird man zooming in on dream’s face at the end killed me😂
Literally All rockstars singing about how she was only 17 🙅🏾
Rucka Rucka Ali 💀
Lil peep reference
based kings of leon / all artists reference
She’s only SEVEEENTTTTEEEEENNNN
@@CadenLol you an OG for that reference 😂
Both sides are just so cringe lmao
He gonna hire another physicist/mathematician to prove she's 18
They're gonna try to add the 9 months in the womb lmao.
"Preliminary groom" gotta be the wildest thing I've ever heard lmao
I love how all these “victims” wait until the guy gets big and famous so they can start their clout seeking
I'm not going to lie, if a 20 year old guy is interested in a 17 year old, that isn't that bad. Really, think about it. It's a three year gap.
Nothing wrong with it. People just wanna find a reason so hate on a content creator with massive sub count. Disappointed in birdman, dude being a massive bitch. Literally hating just to hate, he doesn’t care if he wasn’t in the right or not, he just wants to find a reason to hate on this guy and it’s sad
only ppl on twitter care cause it's technically counted as being a pedo
it's legal in 90% of the world except for a couple states. Calling him a pedo is ridiculous and people just want another e-celeb to destroy because they're bored and want content,
"That isnt that bad" Its not bad at all.
Most of our parents are worst I stg 😂
i'm supposed to care that a 20 year old talked to a 17 year old? are we serious?
If she had 18 in her bio she's been messing with older guys for a while. If any of them get any kind of success she'll do this again.
kids in 2050 crying when they have to prepare for the 2022 unit test in Internet Studies
He really went from looking as Shane Dawson to becoming him I guess «dreams» really do «come» true
No way youre comparing this weak shit to shane dawson lmao
America is crazy. A 17 Year old with 20 year old in Europe no one gives a fuck but in the US entire careers go bust lol
Thought the next birdman video would be about Amouranth’s husband situation
Fr lol
He’s about to stream it today I think
this year is really the end times holy
Good on her husband
@@kellbagz563 you’re fucked up, dawg
Wait people are freaking out about 20 and 17? In most places in the US there is nothing illegal about that. It's a 3 year age gap. I guess I'm a little lost.
Slurp up that corona yumm corona virus😍😍😍😍
BROO AHAHAH
It's a bad day to have eyes
To be fair, a 17 year old is completely capable of making decisions and she seemed like she pushed him pretty hard. All that to say, dream still fucked up bad
It’s a 17yr old girl and almost 18 and dream was 20. I wouldn’t classify that as “grooming” be careful out here cuz some of these chicks will try to ruin you if you don’t give them ur full undivided attention
It’s nothing more than someone realising they can ruin someone else’s life. In most nations 17 and 20 is legal, I know here in the UK a lot of girls in my Sixth Form date ppl on their 20s lol.
Kinda pathetic really. Especially since no one would give a shit if the genders where reversed
thats a 3 year age gap not really fucked up you probably dont live in the states
The white edp lmao he just wanted a cupcake 😂
Bruh not even close these two are 3 years apart. Edp was going for a 13 year old as a grown ass 20+ year old man
I was watching this on my 27 inch monitor full screen when he zoomed in on his face. I had to physically turn away to not die from cringe 😂😂😂
If you’re a famous streamer/influencer the way to handle allegations is to completely ignore it in my opinion. Hire a lawyer and don’t ever bring it up or address it because by addressing it you give confirmation to it. And by talking about it you just make it worse. Unless there’s charges brought against you the only way to handle it is to act like it never happened. It’s impossible to prove your innocence in a lot of allegations like sexual assault and rape etc, it’s he said she said
Been watching the bird for years never cease to make me laugh 😂😂😂😂
Been praying for times like this 🎉🎉
AHAHAHHA
💀
ayo praying for children to be groomed lmao
Y tho
@@timberlin4075 What children?
Well now that all parties involved are “pursuing legal action” I guess we’ll find out who is lying soon enough. Snapchat keeps records of all texts and snaps. Phone providers can pull up deleted messages and idk about instagram/ twitter but those first 2 are all we need. Just depends on how serious they get with the investigation.
Your phone will also retain the data as well if you deleted it. It just caches it and frees up space. However considering iMessage is with apple and they have the Cloud, I’m betting Apple got some CRAZY data.
But cops can crack open your phone and go through and see everything you deleted. So yeah, legal action will for sure let us know
20 and 17 isn’t even bad, legal in most countries and is quite common. I think about 80% of the girls in my Sixth Form are dating people in their early 20s lol.
Everyone’s just blowing it out of proportion because it’s an opportunity to ruin someone’s life. As usual no one would give a shit if the genders where reversed
My boi got a Minecraft double chest filled with segs toys😭😭😭💀
There was literally no proof at all that he was messaging them inappropriately
I mean he did swipe and call her “gorgeous “ which isn’t super crazy but it’s like bro 💀
@@sleeplesssanctuary that's not as bad as the "catching rona in the bedroom" comments
@@sleeplesssanctuary Complimenting a female is now heresy? Say less.
@@chico9805 Based Boondocks pfp
Bro revealed his face and his career crashed and burned
And yet people still think looks don’t matter, it’s crazy. They probably thought he was gonna be some e-boy chad and since he isn’t they wanna roast and cancel him, damn
Well that is the audience he courted. If his fans where normal he would have been fine.
its fr not that serious can't lie
@@kingdoge69 No way in hell that dream could ever be anything close to a Chad.
@@lightningcrush7795 I didn’t say he was
Old man funny as hell with the reactions ngl dead af 💀
He talking bout “unless they show his *** video, you know what I mean, I’d have to take a look unfortunately, you know, it comes with the job i guess “ 😭😭😭🤣 man cracks me up. Love the videos bro 💯💪🏻
A 20 year old talking to a 17 year old is not pedophilia or grooming that’s ridiculous they’re three years apart. 17 is legal in most state I think anyway.
Dream Nut sounds crazy everytime birdman said it, lol
the text messages were pretty crazy compared to the dms and snaps, and i havent seen proof that it was him texting because like all the texts have the name cut off at the top and can be faked easily by texting yourself
You can also change the name on snap chat too
@@choinkboinks8429 There’s literal apps dedicated to quickly faking messages lmao. This is all absolute BS and if it is real in most nations in Europe, Britain 17 on 20 is pretty fucking usual and legal.
It’s only really the United States where adults are coddled like children. Such as Americans finishing High School at 18 whereas Brits finish at 16, Americans can’t legally drink till 21
20 and 17 isn't an issue like wtf 🤣idc man. But what he was doing is ultra mega weird af
These girls know what they’re doing. Siphoning for money. Don’t deserve anything
im cryin, this whole face reveal and this following situation was such a train wreck
Yeah bro shit don’t seem real bro as soon as he shows his face this happens
@1:52 best part bro 😂 such a genuine laugh
“It’s not lookin good tubby” 😂😂😂
This girl is just looking for attention because she aint the prettiest. I get it was inappropriate but calling it pedophilia is a bit much.
“Just got here what’d I miss?”
“ a lot of grooming” 💀
Thank god I have birdman to keep me in the loop 🙏😭😭😭😂😂😂
Bruh, when I was 17 I knew wtf I was doing when talking to someone. This girl LYIN😂
Bro your commentary funny af
17 and 20 imo isn’t that bad but it’s legally wrong
Not every country is America bruh, did you know countries other than America exist?
Technically might be legal. 16 is the age of consent in a lot of places, including some states in America .
@@EpicNoob99 16 is the age of consent in most states in America, but sending explicit material to minors is still illegal. But clearly it wasn't unprompted since they were in a relationship.
@@EpicNoob99 yeah but for some reason ppl get in trouble when it comes to that age gap or I heard ppl still getting in trouble.
@@freefromillusions is there any proof he did that though? If so, i have not seen it
Yeah these allegations are cap af.
the way u say tubby got me giggling like drake texting his bestie
He tried to groom me had me dying bro 🤣🤣
Age of concent from most of the US is 16 bro is a doing nothing wrong, Seek help if you genuinely think this 'outrage' is reasonable
i cant believe you're guna have to review the dream nut tribute
I know this is a hot take but I don’t think a 20 year old talking to a 17 year old is that crazy lol
fr
17 and 20 is not a bad ratio. That's a senior dating a sophomore if they were in highschool
I just wanna say that Carson wasn't exactly targeting a minor audience just because he played Minecraft, dude was just playing games and posting vids and he messed up (although that drama shouldn't have even been brought to light in the first place).
Why are people freaking out about a 3 year age gap? 17 and 20 is no big deal in my opinion. Meanwhile there are 50+ year old men dating 20 year old women. Just another double standard in my opinion. Why come out years later and make a TikTok video of it all?? … And she was 17 at the time, a famous RUclipsr s3xting her, she knew what she was doing sorry IMO
bruh i swear Birdman is the funniest man ever 😂😂😂
I haven't finished the video yet, but I did notice around the 16:15 mark when she is scrolling through the insta DM's, we do see the part of their chat that she skipped over/cut out from her original vid. She was clearly the one pursuing him if we look solely at these DMs, which kinda is the opposite of him grooming her. She even sent some kind of video? I mean allegations are already bad enough, so of course it doesn't look good for Dream, but maybe its too soon to come to a hard conclusion? I will finish watching tho just to see if I missed anything before I clown myself any further lmao.
Edit: Ye after finishing the vid ima have to disagree based off the "evidence" we have at the moment. Like you said in the end, only thing we can be sure of so far is he talked to this chick on insta, but based off the DMs she showed it was always her pursuing the convo, even when he just gave dry ass responses like "good hru" after 3 months lmao. So until we see the nut vid, ima have to say innocent until proven guilty on this one, but honestly i doubt he did anything like that
Bruh you like 40 chasing 18 yr old in a vr chat
Still 18 though
@@Saberdud 17 is legal in most places especially if there is only a 3 year difference.
@@Saberdud you do realize how arbitrary that is tho? Legal doesnt mean its more moral than 17-20. In my country, agree or not 15 can be with 19-20 yr olds,