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No one complained about 2 tanks, they complained about double shields.
Correction, people did complain about tank stacking. Also what do you do when the best synergy tank to your shield tank is another shield tank? Nerf both of them to the ground so that they can’t be played at all? Nerf them to the point where they’re decent with each other but trash with everyone else? 6v6rs love talking about how ez it is to nerf double shield but never not once have they offered a solution
@@juantronftw brother if we switch to 6v6 rn double shield wouldn't be viable anymore, not to mention more tanks more variety.
isn't double mitigation the problem
@juantronftw or they could have just, you know... reworked orisa 🤓 💡
And double shield could have been easily fixed by simple design changes, that didn't happen for 3 years
Ow died the day braindead abilitys started to counter ultimates change my mind
So....literally immediately since the first two heroes were Ana [who has sleep dart and anti-healing] and Sombra [who had hacks which interrupted everything].
@@AzureRoxe Sombra was over tuned with hack but she's a dps. And Ana at least has drawbacks like lacking mobility and consistent dmg. Giving those braindead abilities to supports like kiriko or lifeweaver who are hard to kill is what's hurting the game
@@AzureRoxeHack and sleep are not “brain dead”. They are extremely powerful, yes, but those cool downs demand a level of either skill or decision making that are incrementally strong in the first place.
Suzu, Immortality field, things like that are “brain dead”, because there is too much reward for too little action.
Insta losing fights to ults isn’t fun
@@AzureRoxenot even CLOSE to the same 😂
I keep hearing queue times as an argument for 1 tank, but it's like everyone forgot there was a 40$ barrier to entry in OW1. The game is F2P and it should be much easier to support the extra tank slot.
Ow isn't even really dying, lots of people are playing, people like tanks, they choose them in open queue all the time.
The issue literally is 5v5 and that's it
@Grimnoire true. Whenever I want to go play tank I queue up in comp open queue because getting counterswapped in role is miserable. If I get counterswapped in open queue it's not nearly as bad at all since I have 1-2 other tanks helping me
If role que tank is miserable won't we lose the last of the tanks for 5v5 role locked? Which I'm guessing would make que times bad again.
1 minute is and i hear "the 2nd tank is overwatch's biggest issue" lol, this is gonna be a good one
actually he said "necessary evil" you autocorrected in your head to something more argumentative that means something completely different, that's a TERRIBLE habit.
@@FawXnSawX true but the guy is still wrong 2nd tank was good
@@TotoOhI will repeat, "necessary evil" if you are in favor of 2 tank you agree with him fundamentally. necessary is a stronger word than evil. and it did feel bad, changes were needed, what they are or should have been is the argument.
@@FawXnSawX fundamentally deez nutz
They weren't a necessary evil its just how the game is meant to be played
As someone who has played Overwatch ever since the first beta, I never remember people saying that two tanks was an issue. Literally never. Maybe I was out of the loop, but I’ve been pretty tuned into the overall RUclips community at least since Ana released. So fast forward to Overwatch 2 and now they’re removing the tank and it just felt random and pointless. And it actually felt like a step back. I was never a tank main, I only played dps in overwatch 1, but even as a dps, having two tanks was just more fun. More ult combos, more strategies and team comps. Also, my favorite maps were 2cp maps like hanamura and temple of Anubis, but that’s a different discussion.
It's because no one did complain about it. People complained about the amount of shields, not the fact there were two tanks lol. They just needed a "new" game because they knew pve wasn't going to come out, they just needed *something* to do for three years to make it look like they're doing anything. Is what it is.
No one queued tank. Tank queues were instant and dps queues takes longer than the game. Facts are the loudest voices
Also they were trying to lower queue times for tanks. Most people didn’t play tank and it was becoming a problem even though I don’t remember anyone complaining about playing tank at the time.
@@Mantrahiroshima IM SAYING
2 tanks = longer queue times = more people leaving the game = fewer people buying skins. That's literally all it is.
Someone who went to the recent content creator summit claims that the devs basically admitted to them that 5v5 was primarily done for queue times, not balancing
Bruh aintnoway 💀
@@masterfy24no one plays tank, hasnt changed.
@FawXnSawX the balance team dipped hard when overwatch 2 is announced. So everyone had to deal with bad balance then and now.
It's so stupid. People didn't play tank because it was boring. Look how boring sig and old orisa were. So boring shoot from behind a shield.
Now we have new FUN TANKS like Ram, JQ, Doom, and even new orisa has a fun javelin. The problem was always tank design and quality of life. They made boring tanks and made the tank experience miserable and abandoned the game. Then they act like people just randomly hate tanks instead of acknowledging that this is a game and it should be fun.
Remember original dva?? No micro missiles, defense matrix on a cooldown? Remember Winston not even having a right click? Remember rein only having 1 fire strike and being unable to turn much or cancel charge?
They made tanks BORING. that's why no one wanted to play tank.
@@Iron-BlurrYou nailed it for me. I enjoy competitive integrity and do feel like 6v6 had plenty of it's own skill impression. 6v6 was more fun for me and that's why I started playing games in the first place. And 6v6 was bros or solo qued was fun after a long day or when I had free time. Ranked included
Playing overwatch 1 was fun.
Learning overwatch 1 was fun.
Improving at overwatch 1 was fun.
Doing all of the above with your friends, was amazing.
Overwatch 2 for me is not fun, learning it is pointless and improving does not seem worthwhile.
I don't have any friends left in overwatch, but I got more and more in other games.
I have friends at Heroes of the storm.
The game that blizzard put on life support.
“Improving does not seem worthwhile” You hit the nail on the head, even with improving, the matchmaker will put you into the most unwinnable games. It’s no secret almost everyone has a 50/50 win loss rate and that truly makes no sense to me.
I thought i could flee HOTS to Ow but i was so wrong😢
Dumbass take OW1 new so it was fun now its old that's with everygame
lmao dang put on life support, just like ow1
@@thenipplethiefo2417if ur good you will win period. 50% win rate means ur in your elo
Questron is personification of "bait used to be believable"
Spill
Youre overestimating him. He really is this stupid btw.
@@rickyhillof it takes that kind of person to go through the mentally insane experience that is the harassment simulator of sombra
6v6 allowed for more tempo variety imo. You had the ability to slow the game down with ball for example while not having your backline explode with dva, and the ability to speed up the game to an unbelievable pace with 6 man dive for example. Also people overestimate how dominant double shield was throughout the course of OW 1. Double shield was unbelievably meta in all levels for a time then got phased to irrelevancy in high levels. When double shield was phased out in pro play it became only a shitterelo issue especially near the end, people forget that the best comp for like 2 years before ow 1 ended was some variant of ball comp (which was a high skill and healthy comp imo).
would you play main tank? there's your answer.
@@georgealvarez1195 Yes, I was a main tank player who no longer enjoys the tank experience.
Is your question dumb? There's your answer.
@@georgealvarez1195 I WAS A DPS PLAYER BUT I'D PLAY MAIN TANK IF WE COULD GO BACK lmfao
@@georgealvarez1195I would rather do that then play tank in its current state
@@georgealvarez1195 I would. I was a gm tank in ow1 n I always q'd with one of my irl bros who also played tank. ya know what I don't play at all in ow2 cause it's genuinely horrible and unfun? tank
Listen to Sam talk is almost therapeutic for me
He could debate whether the glass is half full/half empty and I'd still be immersed
Tbh, it's just the way he's so passionate about the topic. He always has something intelligible to say it kinda has a secure feeling.
@@Grimnoire so true tho
Bring back 6v6
You have shit
I miss Rien Zar with my bro the only reason I like 6v6
@@ghosto50overwatch*
@@MrGrreatness yea like it's dying now🤣
Samito: *stubs toe* Ahhhh those god damn supports!
I personally loved dragged on fights, it was such a high adrenaline and I ACTUALLY felt like a superhero fighting supervillains.
The current, respawn-die simulator is the reason I stopped playing cod.
I want overwatch back, I want 6v6 back, I want earnable lootboxes back
I'm sick and tired of seeing the 100th shop skin that I will never have the chance to own because I'm from 3rd world country and OW microtransactions aren't priced for my wallet.
Bro turned a 6 min video into 30. That’s how you react 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Def going to take some time when you have to refute 100% of the mis information from the og vid
5v5 will always suck. Its been over a year!! Nothing worse having to swap because your character has no chance verses some comps. I wouldnt mind a fight not being in my favor and having to get extra sweaty to win. I hate not having a chance and having to swap.
After thousands of hours i finally quit ow until some kind of 6v6 mode is added back in. I enjoyed ow1 so much more tbh.
ow1 was a perfect formula when there wasn't goats, brig, and double shield. Hands down best game I ever played. They killed our boy.
I watched Questrons Video a few weeks ago and was just permanently shaking my head.
He can like 5v5 better, no problem at all, but making all those insane claims that have 0 to do with reality is really fucking delusional.
People defending 5v5 really just love to yap but they have 0 substance behind what they say.
Questron is so out of touch with the game, just shows why he plays only easy to play heroes
What's the opposite of rose-tinted glasses? Because I swear to god the majority of OW2 copers wear whatever it is. Vision Pros maybe idk but shit's altering their view of the past like a drug you'd get from a shady corner dealer at 3:45am
There has never been a second tank in overwatch 2 so how can the biggest problem with season 9 be something that's never even been in the game?
The only reason they removed a tank was to justify making a sequel since they knew they were never gonna deliver on pve. Part of protecting themselves from getting sued trying to squeeze money from the game ahead of the sale to Microsoft.
Bring back #OW6v6
The most annoying shit in OW2 is that people don’t die. I have to put clip after clip in someone to kill them and that’s if they don’t get supported by Kiriko, or a Baptiste or the flower dude pulling them away
Skill issue
Skill issue
The only time I can say skill issue is when it isn't bap or kiriko. But lifeweaver grip is super easy to use too.
That dude MUST have been on drugs when he made that video.
He's a weird dude that all he does is play Sombra in Overwatch for a living. Wouldn't surprise me if drugs weren't the catalyst of his schizophrenia
The video came out before season 9 started.
@@Malxeryeah, if you one trick you're weird and your opinion should be ignored.
That one amaterasu dude who said Soldiers' biotic field was the strongest healing ability in the game was definitely smoking Crack
The Super Mario Galaxy music in the back just makes all the more hilarious
Super Mario Galaxy was a banger.
@@APerson-si8jr SMGs 1 and 2 dominated my childhood so I'm gonna have to agree with you.
Harvest moon
It is from Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineraltown (probably the original one frome the PS1 version) not Super Mario.
@@ebhaenger8246 chad
Ive come to the conclusion that the only people who like 5v5 are the bots that SUCKED in ow1 and were able to finally climb out of gold so ofc they love it and the shills...
100% true
Getting hype to climb out of gold has to be one of the saddest copes of all time
sam is the ceo of ranked but gosh darn it he earned that title by knowing the ins and outs of this game better than the devs
This video nearly sent me into a coma. Thankfully Sam paused it enough to go back and watch some 6v6 footage to cure the 5v5 cope.
I know for a damn fact he didnt equate paladins to a low skill ceiling game when characters like roadhog,anna,hanzo,widow all exist in overwatch even sigma is easy. I am borderline unstoppable in overwatch in ranked and currently rest easy in diamond 4 but in paladins im stuck in bronze becusse that game requires waaayyyyy more thinking then spamzo or window widow or trap hogs, there is only one play style for every overwatch character as in hiding,positioning and or spammming and characters like mercy exist to make up for your mistake. In paladins when you die in the first round you wree garanteed a loss especially when your playing a game where characters who require less skill like bouncehouse buck or even dibilitate skye dominate characters who have low time to kills. And in overwatch every character has a high time to kill with basic combos. Lastly the ultimates are garamteed wins if you know where to ult,like sigma behind buildings or hog on maps or orisa just being a fuckin wall. Redact your statement and try to win ONE game in ranked paladins as any character who isnt meta i dare you. In overwatch characters dispite metas are servicable thats how we end up with one tricks in overwatch like Zbra or Cyx or frogger or arge. Becusse characters are too damn easy to master.
I won't be coming back until 6v6 is returned
They can only bring back 6v6 if they make overwatch classic, in ow2 they reworked the engine for 5v5.
@@lukeaustin4465Lmao actually the best bait ever I got to hand it to you 😂
@@hiimnifty3625 dude I want 6v6 back too but they can't do it in ow2 they reworked the engine, they would have to make overwatch classic.
@@lukeaustin4465 Like the game literally can't play 6v6? That's what you make it sound like, the engine can't handle what is possible in custom games, and how can an engine handling less an upgrade? Lets just update the engine again then since thats apparently automatically better ig?
@@hiimnifty3625 blizzards best route if they want to bring back 6v6 is to make overwatch classic, there's no way that they are going to recode ow2s engine a third time.
Ive said it once ill say it again, we went the wrong way, 7v7. 2 tanks lower their power and allow for synergy, 3 dps so dps is a powerful role, and 2 supports so supports that are overpowered will be balanced healing more people, thoughts?
They only changed to 5v5 because of queue times, so 7v7 wouldn't have worked in their eyes.
Agreed. Why would they make a game less dynamic with 5v5? Less combo opportunities, less complexity! Whhhyyy
Make it 12v12 so overwatch finally becomes tf2
@@pepekovallin ayo thats nice
I like this idea
After the Awkward Twitter thing with Questron, I didn't think Questron could get more delusional. I've been proven wrong lol.
I miss overwatch 1. 6v6 was the bomb. I never worried about the double shield meta.
*"The only way to get top 500, is to be a top 500 player." There fixed
Ok his point about one hero being able to entirely team wipe is an aspect of what makes OW fun… In 5v5 it’s so easy for that to happen (because of lack of 2nd tank) that it makes it simple and boring, but their solution is to hamstring players and their skill to artificially make it last longer. Yeah, I want there to be some “curves” in a match, I don’t want it to be simplistic and straightforward, but because we don’t have the nuances of a full 6v6 OW match, we have to add all these passives, double down on immortalities, make every tank have absurd stats just to be playable and ruin all the hero diversity so that there can’t be that advantage that snowballs a fight. Instead of Genji mowing people down while nanoed like in that clip, it’s oh let me bait out Soj slide, Moira fade, Sombra translo, etc, now let me get through lifegrip and suzu then I can actually play the game. It just makes the game feel like a chore. If we’re going to be OW2/5v5, it’s got to be a TDM where DPS can pop off and take out a whole team. If you want things like layered teamfights, group pathing, and a longer CD exchange you should be pro 6v6, the game is just better that way and it makes tanks/supports relevant since tanks can synergize and are punishable so good/great is distinguished but also supports can have an actual frontline to do their job and get the experience playing as a healer without having to be better dps due to being exposed in 5v5 and forced to play for damage when that role attracts people who DON’T want to do that stuff, at least all the time. There’s just more to do on tank/support in 6v6 and DPS is also more fun since each hero is individually weaker.
22:47 THAT Take about people hitting more shots being better for balancing is crazy😂
24:30 - The theory as to why more forgiving projectile sizes helps balance:
It's about the tug of war between balancing for lower ranks vs higher ranks, specifically when it comes to time-to-kill (TTK). In the low extreme, fights often last way longer because of the lower accuracy, and therefore lower DPS of each team. In the high extreme, fights can be over very quickly because of the high accuracy, and therefore higher DPS of each team. You might argue that positioning levels that out somewhat and you'd be right, but that's the theory. By making projectiles more forgiving, you're bringing the skill floor up for all damage dealers in the game, allowing lower ranks to achieve more similar TTK to higher ranks, which reduces the range of gameplay experiences the balance team has to consider when making any change.
TLDR: It makes the outcome of balance changes more predictable and more uniform across all ranks.
You are spitting so many facts, it's insane.
The problem with 5v5 is the power budget for the characters is way out of wack
Tanks had to be made twice as strong to cover for another tanks while supports were made to do more damage because in the beta without their role passives, they were getting blown up.
6v6 wasn't the issue, not updating the game to work on a game they barely delivered on is the issue. With every patch, it feels like Ow2 tries to fix issues that they created in the previous patch.
In Ow1, shield meta was such a big issue, so in Ow2 they lowered the amount of shields (great), but then they overcompensated by removing a whole tank, when it wasn't a tank issue, it was a neglect issue.
It really feels like the devs are too stubborn to admit that 5v5 was not a great idea, and they keep putting bandaids to try to fix it
My take: Bring back 6v6, get rid of one shots (except Widow since that is kind of her thing), and get rid of immortality abilities, and not every character needs to be viable at all levels of play
I LOVE the harvest moon mineral town music!!! nostalgia ahh
Lol that video. When you think you have hot takes, but they're so cold they count them as children in Alabama
This went over EVERYONES head
If hating on the product you make your living off of was a sport, this guy would get the gold medal. Don't play the fucking game if you have so many issues with it..
I don’t think u watch the channel enough :)
what you said at 6:58 sums up how they've treated Overwatch 2. The games constantly become easier to play as a newbie, the learning curve should never be reduced. What they should have done a long time ago was improve tutorials and character tool tips (show damage/heal numbers)
I mean, the bigger projectiles will lessen the effect of the game we've been playing where we had some seasons in OW2 where Sojourn was a throw pick in Bronze, and a throw if not picked in Top500. Making some of the cast more accessible will, in a way, still make it easier to balance. It's not a magic fix because player skill is so different, but I reckon that this season, 9, has made Sojourn (and other heroes) more accessible to lower ranked players as well. In the long term it should help the balancing team.
Me watching a sombra player talk about what's "unhealthy" for the game for half an hour: 👹
There’s a reason why Questron is avoided by so many people in ranked
the only way to make characters that have low skill ceiling (moira) viable in high ranks without a rework is mega buffs, so fuck that 😂
To be honest I miss the days when you didnt regen health on its own. It made a difference between shield and health and also it was fun to learn the map design where are health packs you can camp them as defending team denying them healing or you can hack them as Sombra for your team so they can heal faster while your supports walk from spawn.
At 15:00 it's not just that more triple supps were run, it's more directly debunked by this:
WHEN double shield was hard meta, that WHOLE TIME the leaderboard was riddled with Bap Ana and Brig. If Kiriko existed back then, she'd have been used, and MAYBE illari. Maybe you'd find a Zen every now and again, but nobody could even PLAY Lucio. Even in that meta if your tanks were "trolling" picking hog zarya and you had the bap+brig, and the enemy team had Sig Orisa, but had Mercy Lucio... The double shield team would _consistently LOSE_ that matchup. Meaning the SUPPORTS were the lynchpin, not the tanks.
The two tanks had survivability, but the SUPPORTS could keep them alive during the window where they have no abilities up. Essentially it was that your "time window" to make a play was reduced to 0 seconds, and the game was just about who fucks up their rotation first.
I hated overwatch 2 as soon as I played my first game in it I stopped for like 6 months. One day I decided to go back really give it a worthwhile shot. I was on a grind for hours and days as DPS hit scan player. Guess what it paid off I really enjoy playing overwatch now I got really good at it I slap around my lobby’s all day.
The last sane person on ovewatch is Samito.
Honestly Questron is not someone to be listening to. Awkward was right about that guy, idc sue me.
I really don't understand the 6v6 argument. The reason for 5v5 was a lack of tank players. I already know the response to that statement 'But overwatch 2 is going to have more players and if they just make tank fun then more people will play it.' To the first response just because there is more players doesn't fix that there is a low percentage of tank players. Would it have lowered queue times, probably, but not enough. I don't think you remember how long queue times were back then, for me it was 7-9 minutes for the dps queue. Now it rarely goes above 2 minutes. In response to they could just make tank more fun and more people will play it, I think you forget that tank is the least popular role for every game. Why would you want to be the guy holding the shield over the sword. In reality if you wanted tank to be fun you would have to make the tanks more like dps. However, then the supports would have low queue times and you would have to make the supports more like dps, and then you wouldn't have overwatch heroes they would be more like apex legends. The strength of overwatch is its diverse characters, to make each role balanced in player numbers you would have to homogenize the characters and result in a much worse overwatch in my opinion.
The biggest reason why I don't like the 6v6 argument is that it is pointless to go back to 6v6, because at this point it would take less effort to balance 5v5 than it would to go back to 6v6 and balance it. Do tanks have a counter swapping problem? Yes! Would 6v6 solve that problem? Yes! Would removing the ability to swap solve that problem? Yes! There are so many solutions that aren't 6v6 out there, I wish people were looking for them instead of clinging to an old idea that I don't think will happen.
I completely understand what you mean. I don't necessarily agree with it but I do get what you mean. My concern is 6v6 is more fun so more players play, but if 5v5 is not fun even less than what we have now will all leave, then que times are terrible again anyways. And I am lost why pro 5v5 argue que times when we don't have real numbers other than the abandoned for its last 2 years overwatch 1 that was an investment while now its free to play so of course naturally que times are better now.
“High rank overwatch is a completely different game from low rank overwatch”
Yes…. That is the point of skill rankings… Is this dude okay? 😂
That is the point of skill rankings but the issue is all rankings are balanced the same.
Balance matters in high rank games where everything can be utilized to its fullest, and balance doesn't matter in low ranks where nothing can be utilized to its fullest.
exactly, heroes should always be designed as DPS first THEN specialized kits can be considered for their roles/niche. It just makes the game fun for everyone despite their role in game.
Imagine thinking that low level play should look identical to high level play. That's perhaps the most asinine thing I've ever heard.
I feel like all these people that say Overwatch 1 is a problem don't see the actual problem, that they aren't game developers. lol
I have a good patch for overwatch, they should nerf sombras HP, if u can just hide from anyone (unless they use recon abilities, widow ult, and recon arrow) and they should make Manzo either do 290 or 275, or make widow do 290, she will ALWAYS be better than hanzo he needs love, not just support and widow
Man that kids comment section shows just how unlikable that kid is. Passive aggressive, unable to actually argue his own points and resorts to replies like “Samito viewer” “ Maybe the game isn’t for you” “Cope”
First impressions are everything and I will NEVER watch that kid. Doesn’t help they’re a Sombra 1 Trick.
Learning and improving in ow2 is the most fun ive had in a video game. Wish the lootboxes were a thing though.
The more 5v5 goes on, the more it feels like Blizzard spent 5 whole minutes thinking about how it would impact the game.
Almost as if 5v5 wasn't a solution to anything, and just an excuse to justify the rugpull of OW2. Because what would ow2 actually be without the change to 5v5?
It would just be Ow1, and a bait and switch.
2 tanks with the dps passive set at 25% would be kino.
Kino Der toten?
This is my first samito video and I have to say… THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING SINCE SEASON 1 or 2 of OW2! This game desperately needs 6v6 back. I’d honestly rather go back to OW1 right before they changed it to OW2 than play this stupid version they’ve created. Bring back group finder. Bring back 6v6. Bring back 2CP. Bring back Overwatch!
I havent played overwatch in months after picking up elden ring and hearing that the cowboy bebop bundle was like 50$ just made me so sad for the people who defend it. Its just baffling how little value you get for 50$ from blizzard vs 50$ for elden ring. Seriously black pilled me on any future ow event
the hurtbox that healers had as well was the issue when dueling.
If you follow this argument to it's logical conclusion it would mean no hero requiring decent mechanical skill to get value should ever be released again, as it will never be as good in plat as in GM. It's just insane lol
"Sam should be as good as Steph Curry, how can we make that happen"
I second this!
So glad I am out of this MOBA bubble.
Samito I have a question: is it wrong for Supports to have the same lethality as DPS outside of Ultimates?
As a support player, I feel that after this patch I am playing a much more difficult game than my DPS counterparts, and it feels unfair. Because Supports have to account for positioning, punishing mistakes, and undoing mistakes, and DPS only need to focus on positioning and punishing. I feel like they should be nearly equal in terms of lethality because Supports have the responsibility of DPS plus more. I don't think it's fair that a DPS player of the same skill as me has the upper hand just because he's a DPS, and I'm a Support, and therefore has better damage output than me (thanks to the passive). I think that if I'm Kiriko, and I'm going up against a Soldier, Cassidy, or Genji, and we're completely committed to dueling, that it should be nearly 50/50 who comes out on top if we are equal skilled in the 'punishing mistakes' responsibilities they both share.
Being a Support to me was always finding a balance between dealing damage and healing, and knowing when to switch, and being a DPS came with the perk that they never needed to switch, so they were just 100% pressure all of the time. With the new changes, I feel that this balance has shifted, homogenizing supports into 'outheal the passive' and 'Kill their team before their passive breaks yours' roles, and that balance has been lost for the role.
Again, I'm a support so bias, and a Silver to boot, so please tell me if there are flaws in this logic. Thank You!
What do you guys think of reducing ultimate charge after swapping, for a certain amount of time?
Not really a concern this patch at all. With hit box changes, character changes, projectile changes happening. Ultimate saved after swapping is so low on the impact meter
@@triantulas Not ultimate saved, the charge, like the full on amount of ult you generate after a swap, being limited for a certain amount of time, meaning the enemy team who swaps will have a lower ult economy for the rest of the game.
Why do so many high level players have awful opinions? Seriously amaterasu, questron, even flats at some point dont seem to understand the game
they got rid of double tank cause queue times were dogwater. now we need double the tanks which will double the queue times (exaggerating) sometimes it takes 4-5 mins to get into dps/support (around mid diamond) I assume its worse the higher you go. That's the problem they cant solve. only when the population gets higher and queue times drop they could go back. But I don't know theres like 100s of different game modes arcade and customs quickplay comp open and closed roles. the community is super split so populations are even smaller. I see the same people in my comp matches more than I used to. So the more they make these crazy changes to get people the faster we go back maybe idk. There is def a huge ease of access now and people are staying longer i feel not 100% sure though
Look the moment i heard removing a tank slowed the game down i knew i disagreed w this video.
Ow devs want to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to the support category. Yes they deal damage, yes they heal, yes they have damage denial in a lot of ways.
If you want them to have good heals and denial, take away their dps ceiling and add punishments for using those abilities in a bad way.
If you want them to be a more dps focused support make their heals have a lower ceiling or not able to be consistent throughout an entire teamfight.
If you want them to have good survivability make it harder for them to eliminate the enemy team.
Good gameplay and development is based around downsides and upsides to the choices you make in game. This is not pve, it makes no sense to have abilities with no downsides.
The other roles are more forward in their responsibilities and they are at the mercy of the support category.
Sam, I still don’t get it. I’ve been a mid-high level, casual (I’m old) GM player since the game release. It still boggles my mind that the devs and “high elo” players still have such bad takes on what the core fundamental issues of the game are; and these people play EVERY DAY. Do it all DLC heroes, hero design and the inability to change (not nerf) core designs of these flawed characters and support “get out of jail free” abilities have ruined what this game was intended to be. The only things that 5v5 did was make it more difficult to balance the game and synergies of the game, made counter-picking so much more necessary to win (sorry Awkward but I don’t care how good you are at Winston, but if we go brig/zen and dva in a high-elo lobby, you just can’t play the game) The only way to fix the game is to bring back 6v6 and change hero designs; even though she isn’t -currently- oppressive, you can start with brig since she absolutely breaks the core fundamentals of the design of overwatch.
A game for everybody, is a game for no one
Questron was cookin'...if it was his toilet that was bubbling over.
To me, it feels like the game...is more fun to play, but it doesn't feel, fundamentally, like it's actually better in any way. Sam makes the point why far better than I ever could.
Sam, ily. I'm hopeful they'll eventually add in a 6v6 option. But do you really think they'll ever make it the standard again?
I don't hate the guy on a personal level but quastrong or whatever his name is has some of the ugliest takes in OW. I fully believe he just makes stuff up for video views and discourse. I genuinely believe he has never once given his actual opinion on a single thing which is why I will never follow/support in any way.
A missing tank has nothing to do with session 9
I was thinking the same thing when he said balance across all ranks lol
I'm so fukcing sick of hearing about the top 500. Why on Earth would any company balance their game around the needs of .01% of the player base? It's insanity.
Because that's everyone playing the heroes most optimally. They shouldn't make changes that breaks the game just because the average player base has a skill issue lmao, that's the real insanity
"Everyone should strive to be as good as those in the top 500," is batshit for the simple reason that 99% of us can't do that. I'm never going to be GM and neither is most of the player base. Imagine walking up to people playing softball in their local park and complaining that they're not emulating Major League Baseball.@@SnakeSkinz
@@JustTed not everyone should strive to be in top 500, that is not the point of the argument.
The point is we shouldn't listen to balance changes from low elo players. They have a poor grasp on the game fundamentals and don't understand how or why things work
Have your fun in your low elo games, balance doesn't matter because everyone at that ranks sucks anyway, so stop worrying about balance and enjoy the game
@@JustTed You're putting words in my mouth lmao. Then you make an analogy that doesn't even make any sense. I never said everyone should strive to be Top 500. I said the game balance should always be done from the top down. Buffing and nerfing heroes based off a skill issue instead of what is genuinely a problem when everything is constant is "batshit insane" as you put it.
What you want is more akin to an average recreational softball game being played, but then someone in the crowd tells them to pause and bring out the t-ball stand because Sharon over there can't hit a slow pitched ball and everyone needs to let her hit off the T because it's not fun for her unless she gets a hit
Pulling out the T ball stand would be balancing for the bottom 1%. I didn't suggest that. I don't want to balance for the bottom 1% OR the top 1%, I want to balance for the overwhelming middle where most of us live. Suggesting we should balance around Samito, one of the best players ever, is maddess. @@SnakeSkinz
Season 9 was somewhat on the right track until they made generally terrible changes in the mid-season balance patch, yet again. It's crazy just how bad 3/4 of the tank cast is in particular right now, and the characters that are meta are the ones that make the game feel terrible to play.
Double shield was just Fing boring, the new system is just annoying, and all of this is because of increasingly poor design choices by blizzard. Immortality abilities need to be removed, and ult cooldowns need to be much longer to bring the game back to most fights being dependent on player skill and team pushing to matter more than someone just popping Q damn near every fight.
I hate this season with a passion. It's so hard to dive in and make plays, so much so that its getting boring playing cat and mouse 24/7.
Overwatch season 9 is the season of the "footies". Teams poking at each other, too scared to make the first move, so trash. I'm waiting for next season, hopefully they'll get their act together by then.
Everyone has revisionist history of 6v6 and says it was better, but if you ask them "Would you play the 2nd tank, which was usually the main tank, would you still play 6v6?" and 9 times outta 10 the answer is fucking no. They wouldnt play tank or main tank but they forsure knew 6v6 was better.
I was a tank main in OW1 and I'd happily go back.
There were plenty of tanks players at launch and a few years later people stopped playing tanks when the game was abandoned for years with no content and double shield permanent meta.
You smell like a moira main
@@gerhet7193 ^^This
@@gerhet7193so you want it abandoned again for years, all future content stopped and scrapped, so we can go through those years all over again, so you crybabies can share the blame with another tank. What do you think is required of them to bring 6v6 back? They would HAVE to stop support for the game AGAIN, not release any more battle passes or season no more crossovers or events or balance updates. You guys are literally asking for that. So let me ask you plainly, you would put the entire overwatch community through 2+ years of no updates, no heroes, no new maps, no events, no balance updates, NOTHING...just so we can have 6v6 back?
I thought season 9 you could que with friends of any rank? I played around 5 games, not even rated yet, and my rank is too high to play with my high gold friends…
since OW2 launched ive been a huge 5v5 defender especially from the perspective of dps its nice to be able to actually kill stuff. I quit OW1 because of double shield meta and I've hated the idea of going back to 6v6 every time you bring it up i get a little annoyed but I can no longer deny that the tank counterswap is a huge problem that I dont think will ever be fixed in 5v5. Playing tank is so miserable because you cant play a tank you enjoy playing ane stay on that tank if you want to win because the enemy tank is just going to counterswap you and make your life miserable. However nobody wants to play tank and going back to 6v6 will make dps and support queue times insanely long so I dont think we have the tank playerbase to even go back. I think hero bans need to be implemented.
I wonder when its ever going to occur to you guys that maybe you are the problem, and not overwatch? Its really hard to take a community seriously that can't remove emotion from the equation. All the things that were absolutely hated in OW1 and constantly complained about are now things that people apparently miss so much and want back in the game... while then in the same paragraph complaining about a problem in OW2 that is literally identical to what they want back from OW1 lol. I think a lot of you, including you Samito, need to take some take and rewatch some gameplay from back during 'its golden times' so you can realize that its not at all what you are all describing. Its also funny that to get back to that state you'd have to remove A LOT of characters, characters that none of you want removed, while keeping characters that you do want removed. Lastly, all of the proposed 'solutions', including Samitos, always have the same caveat of leaving at least one of the roles boring... but how would you know that when you don't have any perspective of playing all roles a lot in the first place. You all also think that you can just pull on a single thread and have it effect just that one thread, when in reality, it distorts the entire woven fabric.
I watched wrecking randies videos as they came out. Never would have thought you would have gone in this direction. Glad for your success
Happens to every game dev studio with success, halo, cod, apex, etc. they start with a team of design masters who refine an entertaining idea enough for a $60 purchase, then the ip becomes purely a product and they hire all kinds of college kids who’ve never worked on a game, fill it with meandering woke garbage to appease as many people as possible. Nothing gets improved and whatever is added only barely mimics what it once was.
Maybe 5v5 would work better if they did the opposite of what they did in the last patch. Decrease health pools universally and adjust some damage numbers. Tank should be able to compete with dps in terms of elims/damage if we stay 5v5. Otherwise I completely agree we should go back to 6v6.
This new patch feels terrible to play, past six games have been hog and mauga
If they made a tank passive to be fair. Dps will be unplayable. Tank is the only role that really doesnt have anything to work with. Why is dps the only one to lower the chances of healing. Bruh this passive coudve worked in 6v6. Its horrible in 5v5 when its just 1 tank.
What I do, I make the most out of ALL the characters in the game just for fun in unranked mode and getting stuff from season pass while I'm playing them, that's about it, I just don't take ov2 very seriously,, however 5v5 is going to stay forever and there nothing we can do about it
Wait, correct me if I understood Questron wrong (I'm not native speaker), but he claims that characters shouldn't be top notch in one rank and be shit at other ? I mean, yeah for sure, but don't he realize that such things mostly happens because of the skill level that each individual character demands ?
I mean, I would be glad to see Genji popular in all ranks but let's be real, he'll never be a popular pick in low ranks cuz his gameplay is too unusual for a newcomer. I mean, I'm Genji mainer (almost OTP) but it took me like playing on other heroes in different roles + countless QPs + reaching silver (as Reaper mainer + with friends) and most importantly EVERY DEATHMATCH while queuing playing on Genji for 6+ month. Only after that, I started to play on him on QPs, and then only after that I started to play on Genji in ranks(while still being Reaper main and using other chars mostly). Mastering Genji was tough but he took me to Gold (where I stopped and never ever grow cuz Genji became my main and life was not daijoubu after that).
The same story with Hanzo, it took me a while to learn how to play on him cuz using an Archer with mere sound arrow and 5 fast charged arrow feels counter-intuitive in a FPS shooter game, like WTH was I supposed to do with him. It take me a long to figure out his identity, his play style and etc before I start to play him properly.
Characters like Shimada bros never meant to be "choose them and you on an instinct level know what to do" chars like Soldier or McCree for example. The take is very weird.
Poor questron he's trying to use the brain he's got
They can save the game by removing healing and turning the supports into dps and tanks.
Blizzard cant balance supports so lets remove them.
Yesterday I was playing queen and it felt like I was putting out Kobe Bryant stats and plays but since they were on my counters it would all good for nothing, my positioning was on point I was hit shots peeling for the back line when I could but no value since after 1 fight they would all be on my counters it wasn’t fun I just wanted to enjoy some queen
The video came out before season 9 started.
Maybe the issue isn't all on 5v5, maybe it's on role queue too. In 6v6 role queue was the proper comp mode, open queue was looked down on. Maybe if the game stays 5v5 the player base needs to move to open queue? Role queue in a 5v5 just seems a little overkill on your options.
Role que was put in to stop goats comp. It also helps with the too many dogs on one team problem.
I much prefer role queue because at least I won' be getting one support trying to keep 4 DPS alive against 3 tanks 2 support comps.
@@ShinimagisFTWI know, I just think now it might be an idea to revisit open queue. Teams will have to balance around having only 1 character for a role (or 0) and you can dramatically effect team balances and synergies, which is lacking in 5v5 in the role queue structure. Might not make a diff, but I think it could be more interesting. Even though the game is balanced around the 5v5RQ system.
Am i just not thinking or does no one ever talk about the fact that if you made the oppressive easy heros slightly harder to play than the harder heros like sojourn that get buffed due to lower ranks would inherently be more usable in lower ranks? People always talk about this problem as if its simply a sojourn problem or high skill hero problem but never talk aboht the fact that lower ranks have had the same meta consistenting of bastions, torbs, rats, reapers, orisas and morias for nearly a decade now, so how is anything gonna compete with all that easy crap without also being a terribly design easy hero?
And i get people love saying "but people need those heros' do they? The skill floor is only as hard to reach as the difficulty around you, so if torb, bastion and all them didbt exist, than the easiest hero everyone picks to instsntly win over others in silver and gold will default to the next hero who could be harder to play and then wala, now you've effectively increased your skill floor and no one should be turned off your game unless theyre literally so gamer impaired that they cant even exist comfortably in yhe game which in that case go back to your mid life crisis old man, games probably arent for you but even a baby can have fun in dark souls solo, and these players will just run at the choke, spam buttons, die and repeat anyway so why does it matter how easy their heros are? The only feasible reason i can see for keepiny brain dead heros is to make those players feel good for beating the actual good players which 8s effectively participation rewards, so if the only reason we do this is for participation rewards than why are we makinh the game harder to balance for this?
But its funny because no one really ever complains about this problem because they think it doesnt effect them but it does because sojourn wouldnt need to be giga buffed if this were the case and i garentee you itll happen with every skillful hero drop, and this might also be why they dont make very skillful heros anymore, its in their worst interests to do so now, so the lack of a protest against these brain dead heros maybe spawns more brain dead heros like mauga since no one is talking about it being problematic but they talk about sojourn beibg problematic when it should be the inverse if we want more skill expression heros like sojourn rather than mauga.
Did you notice how he put LUCIO into "garbage tier"? LUCIO OF ALL HEROES RIGHT NOW? BRUH.
Garbage tier in diamond and below