Very Interesting stuff. I subscribed and liked. I still prefer the original hardware like 486, pentium I+II, AMD K6-2 etc. But when that original hardware will fail, broke, this is a good future option for running retro games. But in practice mixing new hardware with old software it will bring a lot of practical problems: like those 16 gb ram will be a problem for win98 and winxp games (comanche 4 for ex. will complain for insuficcent ram). And when win98 will crash, you have to reinstall it on other pc. Not to mention that you cant restart win98 in ms-dos mode, or, if you can, you dont have sound in games due to lack of isa sound card.
Welcome Aboard! I prefer both original and new hardware! If you don't have space for a "vintage" PC and a new one you can build an "all in one" Windows PC while you can install Windows 98/NT on the latest hardware. (won't last much longer) You don't have to reinstall Windows 9x on another PC, it can be installed as usually, but it's more practical to .zip Windows Folder & Program Files & everything in the root then you can format, make a fresh DOS bootable partition and copy these folders and Windows will load normally. (you need MSDOS.sys in the root) Sound for DOS games it is a problem, but now we have SBEMU that works with onboard codecs.
@@O_mores indeed SBEMU is a grrea project. I used it myself on some thinclients for playing ms-dos games and even on a ASUS ROG from 2017. The compatible hardware is growing. Thanks for the tip with the zip winsows 98 installation
That's cool that the 309 driver works well here in Win 11 with the GPU. I remember being able to use the 309 driver with windows 10 on the geforce 6000/7000 IGP at first, but a windows feature update caused them to BSOD. I guess a discrete card does not BSOD. Cool! Windows 11 24H2 cuts off support for older than core I series and FX series, what do you guess the next thing they block will be? Hopefully not legacy mode, I doubt it though, there probably is a server somewhere that's supported with a newer version of windows server using legacy mode. I hope that Windows 11 does not change any more after 24H2, but I do hope that Windows 12 doesn't work in legacy mode, requiring UEFI mode, we'll hopefully have computers that don't support CSM period by then.
I saw some road maps for industrial motherboards (with legacy BIOS) and they offered support until 2033 for that line. (including X86 CPUs) So I guess Legacy mode will be available for a long time, but maybe not for free as today. From 2030 we might find CSM only in industrial motherboards so we have to pay a premium for this feature. Anyway... I hope that consumer motherboards with PS/2 ports/PCI and legacy BIOS will be produced for a few generations more.
@@O_mores I'm with you. I remember building my core i3-10100 test bench, and being annoyed that it has no legacy ROM for it's onboard graphics, so if I want to use legacy mode I have to install a GPU (using a gt740) . I like to boot other people's C drive partition in my bench and having legacy mode is very useful!
EasyBCD is great, I used it a while back to clean up the boot menu on a system I built with every windows from Me-7 (32 & 64)+10 32. The biggest pain with it was getting each OS to be on the C partition without corrupting an existing installs. If there are any extended partitions XP's disk manager doesn't like changing the primary partition.
Here's an interesting fact: Windows NT 3.51 can start from WINNT folder from whatever letter the drive will get. (usually C: will the the SATA port 0) There will be some issues because the path to Windows folder is C:\WINNT, but you can change the drive letters on the fly using Disk Manager - first, you put another letter on the current C: drive, then you assign C: to whatever partition you want.
Hey. Nice video! A bit of an off topic question: have you encountered or heard of graphical glitches when running Windows 9x/3.x on Zen 3+(?) CPUs? These glitches happen regardless of what video card is used, and they seem to be exclusively graphical, as the system works fine otherwise.
Even video cards that are working fine on older CPUs/platforms? These do not occur on Intel? Are the gliches gone when graphic drivers (even VBEMP) are installed? I know about some graphical glitches in Win 3.x/9x but those are due to the more modern GPUs not working well with the default vga.drv driver.
Hey! I haven't used any ZEN3+ CPU so far so I don't know. I get graphical glitches on my ZEN 2 (3900X)configuration which has a PCI Voodoo 3 (and you would expect to behave normally) but this happens only with standard VGA drivers, after I install proper drivers everything is totally fine. This type of glitches when using Windows 3.x/9x happens on various modern configurations, but not always. For example, on this Intel 13th Gen configuration I get glitches during Windows 98 setup with a GeForce GT630 but not with a 7900GS.
@@O_mores Assuming they go away when installing proper drivers, it would still be interesting to know the root cause of the issue. It would also be interesting to know if these happen in a VM, which would mean it's something inherently architectural to the CPU, so I'll need to test that too.
@mintsuki1 My 2c, if glitching it doesn't happen in text mode, then it has to do with the way data actually gets transferred into video memory. A bitmap will be mapped into RAM first then it will go into video memory. At this point some garbage enters into video memory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory-mapped_I/O_and_port-mapped_I/O
Now it boots in about 10 seconds, I guess we can go as low as 7 without networking. Windows ME it's about the same. In both cases if we install a LAN adapter boot time will increase depending on how fast DHCP will get an IP.
hei, Omores, mersi mult pt recomandarea legata de placa video. a mers perfect, ma gandesc sa mai iau una pt SLI :) am dus-o-n 550 cu 700 fara nicio problema si-i stabila. Si p-asta Midtown Madness are artefacte, ca pe toate nvidia pe care le am, numa' cu ATi jocul merge cum trebuie si fara artefcate. e din drv nvidia, 110% :)
@@O_mores nu stiu cine a facut-o, avea un stick cu HP pe ea care s-a dus cand am spalat-o. sigur nu-i facuta de HP. arata exact ca-n pozele din arhiva GPU de pe techpowerup
Hi! Well, I need some specific error in order to help you. A black screen can be caused by a gazillion of issues...:) Did you used an existing Windows 2K installation from another PC, then you installed UniATA, then you used that drive with some newer PC? If so , you might want to check what type of PC is used in the first place - Standard/MPS/ACPI?
@@O_mores I installed Windows 2k SP4 in VM in Standard PC with F5 and F7. When installation complete, I installed UniATA driver. My PC is from 2010 (Samsung RV510 model) and I think it's older from VM. I copied files from VM to that Samsung PC's hard drive. When I boot to Win2k, it passes the boot screen but after that, it stays in black screen. I think there is no 0x7b anymore but something different.
@@O_mores Thanks, I'll try this! If this does not work, what should I do? There must be a solution because PC is from 2010 and you even managed install old OSes to newer hardwares.
Microsoft Windows is meant for a broader audience and being used by a gazillion of users you can easily stay unnoticed by Microsoft or anyone else. But if you use some very open sourced Linux you don't know who's watching you for scientific purposes.
I click on the unallocated space (and remains selected) then I move the cursor above Win98SE partition - then I click next - but because the footage is sped up it may look that I select Win98, but instead I press next...
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Ah the "Welcome To Windows 98 Song" the extended version, I always used that as the startup sound instead of the simpler one.
I prefer the original one. If you forget the speakers at maxim level the extended version can get you into trouble.
I love that, of the 16 people that just watched the video, 6 already pressed like. Just shows how good the videos are.❤
Great video and this can also work with other Windows versions too!!!
Yes, I think it's doable to have all Windows versions on one drive, but usually I prefer to use separate SSDs.
Quite crazy that it is possible due to all limitations, like drivers!
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for explaining everything in such detail!
Really cool startech card. I had a similar one in 2010. They are very handy devices.
Very Interesting stuff. I subscribed and liked. I still prefer the original hardware like 486, pentium I+II, AMD K6-2 etc. But when that original hardware will fail, broke, this is a good future option for running retro games. But in practice mixing new hardware with old software it will bring a lot of practical problems: like those 16 gb ram will be a problem for win98 and winxp games (comanche 4 for ex. will complain for insuficcent ram). And when win98 will crash, you have to reinstall it on other pc. Not to mention that you cant restart win98 in ms-dos mode, or, if you can, you dont have sound in games due to lack of isa sound card.
Welcome Aboard! I prefer both original and new hardware! If you don't have space for a "vintage" PC and a new one you can build an "all in one" Windows PC while you can install Windows 98/NT on the latest hardware. (won't last much longer) You don't have to reinstall Windows 9x on another PC, it can be installed as usually, but it's more practical to .zip Windows Folder & Program Files & everything in the root then you can format, make a fresh DOS bootable partition and copy these folders and Windows will load normally. (you need MSDOS.sys in the root) Sound for DOS games it is a problem, but now we have SBEMU that works with onboard codecs.
@@O_mores indeed SBEMU is a grrea project. I used it myself on some thinclients for playing ms-dos games and even on a ASUS ROG from 2017. The compatible hardware is growing. Thanks for the tip with the zip winsows 98 installation
Excellwnt channel and great technical details!
Thanks, stay tuned for more in the following two months I should release more videos than usual. (at least that is the plan)
To fast for me….
Unless the "fastiness" is causing errors any hardware is never to fast for me.
That's cool that the 309 driver works well here in Win 11 with the GPU. I remember being able to use the 309 driver with windows 10 on the geforce 6000/7000 IGP at first, but a windows feature update caused them to BSOD. I guess a discrete card does not BSOD. Cool! Windows 11 24H2 cuts off support for older than core I series and FX series, what do you guess the next thing they block will be? Hopefully not legacy mode, I doubt it though, there probably is a server somewhere that's supported with a newer version of windows server using legacy mode. I hope that Windows 11 does not change any more after 24H2, but I do hope that Windows 12 doesn't work in legacy mode, requiring UEFI mode, we'll hopefully have computers that don't support CSM period by then.
I saw some road maps for industrial motherboards (with legacy BIOS) and they offered support until 2033 for that line. (including X86 CPUs) So I guess Legacy mode will be available for a long time, but maybe not for free as today. From 2030 we might find CSM only in industrial motherboards so we have to pay a premium for this feature. Anyway... I hope that consumer motherboards with PS/2 ports/PCI and legacy BIOS will be produced for a few generations more.
@@O_mores I'm with you. I remember building my core i3-10100 test bench, and being annoyed that it has no legacy ROM for it's onboard graphics, so if I want to use legacy mode I have to install a GPU (using a gt740) . I like to boot other people's C drive partition in my bench and having legacy mode is very useful!
EasyBCD is great, I used it a while back to clean up the boot menu on a system I built with every windows from Me-7 (32 & 64)+10 32. The biggest pain with it was getting each OS to be on the C partition without corrupting an existing installs. If there are any extended partitions XP's disk manager doesn't like changing the primary partition.
Here's an interesting fact: Windows NT 3.51 can start from WINNT folder from whatever letter the drive will get. (usually C: will the the SATA port 0) There will be some issues because the path to Windows folder is C:\WINNT, but you can change the drive letters on the fly using Disk Manager - first, you put another letter on the current C: drive, then you assign C: to whatever partition you want.
Hey. Nice video!
A bit of an off topic question: have you encountered or heard of graphical glitches when running Windows 9x/3.x on Zen 3+(?) CPUs? These glitches happen regardless of what video card is used, and they seem to be exclusively graphical, as the system works fine otherwise.
Even video cards that are working fine on older CPUs/platforms?
These do not occur on Intel?
Are the gliches gone when graphic drivers (even VBEMP) are installed?
I know about some graphical glitches in Win 3.x/9x but those are due to the more modern GPUs not working well with the default vga.drv driver.
Hey! I haven't used any ZEN3+ CPU so far so I don't know. I get graphical glitches on my ZEN 2 (3900X)configuration which has a PCI Voodoo 3 (and you would expect to behave normally) but this happens only with standard VGA drivers, after I install proper drivers everything is totally fine. This type of glitches when using Windows 3.x/9x happens on various modern configurations, but not always. For example, on this Intel 13th Gen configuration I get glitches during Windows 98 setup with a GeForce GT630 but not with a 7900GS.
@@pangoomis Yes, No, and... uh I need to check because I don't have this setup ready for testing this right now.
@@O_mores Assuming they go away when installing proper drivers, it would still be interesting to know the root cause of the issue. It would also be interesting to know if these happen in a VM, which would mean it's something inherently architectural to the CPU, so I'll need to test that too.
@mintsuki1 My 2c, if glitching it doesn't happen in text mode, then it has to do with the way data actually gets transferred into video memory. A bitmap will be mapped into RAM first then it will go into video memory. At this point some garbage enters into video memory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory-mapped_I/O_and_port-mapped_I/O
looks like i found my new druaga1... I miss his uploads
If you upgrade windows 98 to windows me, will it boot faster?
Now it boots in about 10 seconds, I guess we can go as low as 7 without networking. Windows ME it's about the same. In both cases if we install a LAN adapter boot time will increase depending on how fast DHCP will get an IP.
Windows ME should boot faster! I remember it was faster than Windows 98.
hei, Omores, mersi mult pt recomandarea legata de placa video. a mers perfect, ma gandesc sa mai iau una pt SLI :) am dus-o-n 550 cu 700 fara nicio problema si-i stabila. Si p-asta Midtown Madness are artefacte, ca pe toate nvidia pe care le am, numa' cu ATi jocul merge cum trebuie si fara artefcate. e din drv nvidia, 110% :)
Bun asa! Ce placa ti-ai luat mai exact, de cine manufacturata?
@@O_mores nu stiu cine a facut-o, avea un stick cu HP pe ea care s-a dus cand am spalat-o. sigur nu-i facuta de HP. arata exact ca-n pozele din arhiva GPU de pe techpowerup
Hi again, OMORES! I tried your method about win2k but still black screen after boot animation screen. What should I do ?
Hi! Well, I need some specific error in order to help you. A black screen can be caused by a gazillion of issues...:) Did you used an existing Windows 2K installation from another PC, then you installed UniATA, then you used that drive with some newer PC? If so , you might want to check what type of PC is used in the first place - Standard/MPS/ACPI?
@@O_mores I installed Windows 2k SP4 in VM in Standard PC with F5 and F7. When installation complete, I installed UniATA driver. My PC is from 2010 (Samsung RV510 model) and I think it's older from VM. I copied files from VM to that Samsung PC's hard drive. When I boot to Win2k, it passes the boot screen but after that, it stays in black screen. I think there is no 0x7b anymore but something different.
@@ages2001 Maybe you want to try this installation kit: www.pinzaru.ro/windows9x/2K_Uniata_Standard_SP4.zip
@@O_mores Thanks, I'll try this! If this does not work, what should I do? There must be a solution because PC is from 2010 and you even managed install old OSes to newer hardwares.
@@ages2001 Maybe it works, it's the Windows 2K installation from RUclips video.
Idk about anyone else but I don't like modern Microsoft knowing what I'm doing on my computer which they have no right to so the only option is Linux.
Microsoft Windows is meant for a broader audience and being used by a gazillion of users you can easily stay unnoticed by Microsoft or anyone else. But if you use some very open sourced Linux you don't know who's watching you for scientific purposes.
1:35 Idon't get it. When asked where to install win11 you chose win98se partition instead of unallocated space.
I click on the unallocated space (and remains selected) then I move the cursor above Win98SE partition - then I click next - but because the footage is sped up it may look that I select Win98, but instead I press next...
Yo PFP is cringe 💀