Let's install Windows 98 SE on a modern PC on SSD! (and how to fix the CRAZY USB MOUSE behavior)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- In this episode we are dealing with the crazy USB mouse situation that is trying to ruin our Windows 98 experience on modern computers. How modern? Well, in this video you'll se Windows 98 running on Intel Skylake (6th Gen) and Raptor Lake hardware (13th Gen).
To fix the out of control USB mouse, you may want to download this file and follow the instructions from the video:
pinzaru.ro/wind...
You may also want to download these for a fresh Windows 98 SE installation:
winworldpc.com...
archive.org/de...
pinzaru.ro/windows9x/cregfix.zip
www.philscompu...
Thanks for this video. I'm so happy when people find new ways to get Windows 98 running on unsupported hardware.
Great video and can you please put a link to the drivers and instructions on how to do it?
There will be a separate video about drivers, PCI-E cards & co. Maybe next one. Meanwhile, I will update the description with more links of software and patches used in the video.
In 5-10 years 86box and hopefully CPU's (single-core muscle) will have evolved enough to not have to do this. This is outright INSANE. It's pretty cool that you can do this though.
If anything beyond doing the ACPI off command line option when installing windows 98 is needed, it's too new of a computer and I can't let it get out to a customer who isn't technical!
CSM & fully backwards compatible X86 configurations will be a thing in 2034, but reserved for the industrial sector. Something like ISA slots are right now... If you look at his H310 motherboard with ISA slots - CPUs will be available until: *"15-Year CPU Life Cycle Support Until Q4' 33 (Based on Intel IOTG Roadmap)"* www.dfi.com/product/index/150
I can't wait until I can emulate a 1.6GHz Pentium III at full speed. By that point, maybe some more powerful GPUs can make their way into 86Box as well.
Awesome! Didn't know you can use Windows 3.1 drivers with Windows 98. I will try this on my Asus G750 gaming laptop. I managed to install Windows 98 a while ago but it wasn't really usable without a mouse.
I'm glad it helps but on that laptop you should try to get USB support first! Uninstall any unknown USB controllers in Device Manager then install this unofficial patch: www.philscomputerlab.com/windows-98-usb-storage-driver.html
you are amazing
My fav youtube channel. It would be greatly appreciated if you can make a guide on how you get the 7900 GS to work. As always, looking forward to ya next video. Cheers, Omores!
I'm glad you like it, my next video is coming soon, also about Windows 98... This time on NVMe! I will insert a section about nVidia drivers. Stay tuned...
@@O_mores Awesome man. Looking forward to it. Cheers
That's awesome. What specific IntelliPoint mouse are you using? I have to try this on my 3rd gen rig some time
This exact one: fcc.report/FCC-ID/C3KMS6 - it's a later release from 1999.
jeje master great video
How do you handle chipset drivers on anything newer than a Pentium 4?
The most important part of any chipset, the one related disk hardware is covered by the AHCI universal driver released by R. Loew. You simply install that driver and your SATA SSD will work at over 200MB/s transfer rates, SATA CD/DVD drives will be recognized also. You should watch this video: ruclips.net/video/BulG6-1XOe0/видео.html . There are some universal USB drivers that will work up to Intel Haswell generation motherboards (2014) - or you can buy a PCI-E to USB 2.0 card. The integrated LAN can be used with DOS drivers. (not the best option). HD sound won't work. In rest everything related to the PCI bus up to the PC speaker is standardized you don't need any extra drivers.
is it possible to use a modern video card? is there any driver for that?
Yes, you can use even an RTX card using Universal VBE Video Display Driver (for Windows 9x Architecture) >> bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm
@@O_mores PCI-E card compatible with Windows 98 means released no later than 2006?
@@roiapl1868 Yep, all the nVidia cards up to 7900 series - including Quadro variants - released before they switched to Unified shaders (CUDA cores). Also the first generation of ATI PCI-E cards are working great in Windows 98/Me without any patching required. From the second generation of ATI PCI-E cards many entry level and mid range cards (like ATI X1300) are still based on the previous generation chips - technically with some driver patching you might get them installed in Windows 98 but no one bothered because the last generation nVidia cards are much better.
I would love the Day MS open sources Windows 9x
I guess won't happen very soon because once the source code is available projects like ReactOS will become more powerful and practical and a cloned Windows OS can gain market share. (let's not forget that China intends to ban Microsoft products)
Great✌
Windows 7 pe gen 12 se poate face sa mearga ? Stiu ca am incercat pe vechiul meu i3 cu gen 9 si nu puteam face mare lucru.
Merge, cum sa nu, o sa ramana vreo cateva chestii nerezolvate prin Device Manager, dar chestii nesemnificative. Bonus: pentru Windows 7 64bit sunt drivere relativ recente de la nVidia, inclusiv pentru seriile RTX 3xxx: www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/drivers/results/166656/
Is there any PCI-Express Ethernet cards that work at Gigabit speeds?
There are gigabit PCI cards with Windows 98 32bit drivers from Intel and Realtek. I haven't found a PCI-E card yet. Some early PCI-E Realtek cards are supposed to be Windows 98 compatible. Once I had a PCI-E gigabit card from Broadcom that worked with Windows NT 3.51 from 1995... But this is not a big surprise since NT was about servers and networks... I don't have that card anymore to see if it works in 98.
DOs the Bios have to be set to IDE?
Not necessarily. Modern BIOSes do not offer this option anymore. You can use AHCI which can handle natively real mode requests - so your drive will work under Windows 9x in "MS-DOS compatibility mode".
I will transplant win98 from an asrock 775i65g to a x58 flaming blade motherboard. 7900gs to 7900gtx. What could possibly go wrong? Wish me luck 😉
Good luck! And enjoy! You have 2 PCI slots now... one I guess will make team with a Creative Sound Blaster Live/Audigy.
can i install the Windows 98 with USB mouse? (my touchpad is damage)
Windows 98 will install with a USB mouse as long the USB chipset is recognized. This of course is not the case with newer motherboards. Anyway you can install it without a mouse (and deal with drivers later) - just use your keyboard Enter/Space to press a button - TAB to jump between buttons and select them. ALT + underlined letter to select an option or a button, e.g. - ALT + N to press the NEXT button.
@@O_mores that i know... and yes the laptop is more modern... but is there anyway for add it on installer?
Well... there is the following switch for Windows 98 setup.exe : "/l This switch enables a Logitech mouse during Setup. "
So you should modify the .cab file where lmouse.drv resides and replace it with the lmouse.drv from Windows 3.11 (there is also a link in description to this file) I never tried it, but this switch that forces setup to specifically use a Logitech mouse helps a lot in this scenario...
I have acer about 5 years old I7 8700 it has 16 gb ram it has away to much to run windows 95 or 98
You still can install Windows 95 or 98 on it. I mean it works on 13th Gen... On 8th Gen is even easier to install Windows 9x - you dont' need #cregfix.
I would love to get 98 running on one of my older pcs but the whole process looks complicated lol
On older PC's is actually easier to install since you don't have to use any workarounds. You just insert the CD and installation just works.
@@O_mores I wanted to try it on a dell optiplex 360
Well, it totally doable on that Dell. Just make sure SATA works in IDE mode. You can get USB support on this PC by installing NUSB drivers for audio you should find a PCI card.
Does 98se have USB ATA/ATAPI Bridge driver
I have some 2.5 hdd and 2x usb to sata adapter
There are drivers for Windows 98 (not included, but downloadable), especially if you are using a NEC chipset.
@@O_mores I used nusb 33 driver and it worked everything worked normaly. I connected my hdd 2.5 to 2x usb ports and drive showed up in my computer it worked...
@@O_mores But Idk how to fix ct5880 I have sound card pci I install drivers it doesnt wanna work I know the card is ok I have ess1868 isa card it doesnt wanna work either...
@@fitlifeinsider Can you install Windows ME on separate partition to test the card on your configuration...? (even if you know it works) Windows ME has included drivers for these Creative/Ensoniq sound cards and you should get sound once it's installed. What drivers are you using? You can try to use some older drivers like the one that came on CD: archive.org/details/creative-labs-sound-blaster-pci-64-CD
I'm going to guess that you are a Virgo.
Capricorn. :)
removing pci cards solved my mouse issue on windows 98
If you ask me I prefer to have PCI cards in Windows 98 and in general... :) Did you put back the PCI cards?
@@max_MXXyeah it was the ati rage xl causing it
Wound it work with a 12gen intel i5 12400f rtx 3060 and 32gb ram (although I can use that patcher for the ram.)
Yes, it should work, I did test an RTX 2070 super in Windows 98 and it worked with generic VBE drivers, the rest is pretty much the same hardware as in the video.
@@O_mores Alright thanks so much!
@@O_moresSorry for bothering you but when I use unetboot my usb stick doesn’t show up and it is in fat32 format. Could you please give me some advice?
@@sqiuddyplays I'm using a smaller stick formatted FAT16. I used UNetootin hundreds of times. It gets the job done. Maybe you can find a 2GB stick and use FAT16 as file system, although it shouldn't matter.
@@O_mores Can I use Rufus instead? I do not own a 2Gb or FAT16 stick.
how can fix artfact brother , and how to install gpu drivers please i have rtx 3090
Artifacting should disappear once you install drivers. You need Universal VBE 9x Display Driver: bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm Before installing driver, try to bring Windows 98 up to date by installing Unofficial SP3 pack: www.techtalk.cc/viewtopic.php?t=65
@@O_mores Thank you sir , about the vga VBE Drivers i install them manually?
Yes, and make sure that you installed Windows 98 with "setup /p i" switch or else you have to manually add the PCI bus.
@@O_mores i solved the gpu problem , now last question please i installed win98 on pen drive which it runs hella slow , and also i have trouble running ms-dos it shows whenver i run it that's it's an illegal operation :/
What CPU are you using? Don't you have a spare SATA SSD? Just make it DOS bootable as shown in the video, then copy Windows folder & Program Files and what's in the root like config.sys etc, you don't have to reinstall it.
I’m having troubles of running ms dos :/ I tried everything
I'm assuming that you have trouble while running MS-DOS from Windows. Did you try to restart in MS-DOS mode and play some games to see it works normally? This way you know is not something specific to your PC (like a dodgy BIOS version) and it's related to your Windows 98 configuration.
@@O_mores yes I tried and it says insufficient memory
There is a whole story with DOS and memory, do you have himem.sys enabled with /M:1 switch like in the video? Some games (like Ultima or Elder Scrolls) require EMS memory to be enabled (you need to use EMM386) and so on. Anyway Prince should work on most systems, double check your config.sys - do you have this line DEVICE=HIMEM.SYS /M:1 and himem.sys it's in the root of C: ?
@@O_mores ill Check mate , btw I’m getting special sound card for win98 I just surrendered trying Realtek and I’m getting an old Nvidia 7200 with modified drivers I would like also to try ati fire pro if it works
When I access ms dos it write illegal operation