Untethering yourself from a tangle of cables with guitar wireless systems allows you to freely roam the stage and beyond. NUX B-8 offers a professional wireless solution with numerous additional features that put it leagues ahead of the basic wireless plugs many guitarists have encountered. NUX B-8 Wireless Links: Thomann - thmn.to/thoprod/583717?offid=1&affid=367 More info - www.nuxaudio.com/b8.html This video contains paid promotion from NUX More details on how Science of Loud implements product promotion - www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure #NUX #wireless #scienceofloud
What's with the American "Rowter" it's "Rooter". You travel along a "Root" not a "Rowt" like down the M8 between Edinburgh & Glasgow. And I hope you say "Cap-oh" not "Cape-oh"?
That 2.5ms latency is also less latency than standing one meter away from a guitar cabinet, as sound travels roughly ~0.343m per millisecond. Sure, the latency will be cumulative on top of your existing overall system latency. But to simulate the added latency, take a 0.9m/3ft step back from the position you normally stand in front of your cabinet/monitor. Now while roaming on a stage, a wireless guitar system paired with wireless IEMs actually give you less overall perceived latency than playing wired and monitoring through a cabinet. Sound traveling 5 meters is already ~15 milliseconds. Fully wireless also provides an effectively fixed latency anywhere on stage, meanwhile wired + cabinet varies.
Caveman pentatonic widdling For The Win! You even wouldn’t be out of place with the name Angus. Love the charging approach too, might be a good replacement for my boss one that finally died! Thanks Colin!
These look great. I have the NUX b6 sax mic and love it. I know it would be more difficult to organise, but I would love to see the same test carried out somewhere really busy, like in a train station or local festival for example, where there is a ton of potential for interference from other sources and see how it holds up. Another great video cheers Colin
you know, i have been pleasantly surprised with low cost gear these days. it has come a LOOOOOONG way to a point that its actually worth buying now. i wish so much of the low cost stuff available now was available when i first started playing. its just amazing what we can do these days with lower cost gear
Have to say my £100 wireless performs about the same as my £500 wireless, main difference is how fast it connects (not relevant when playing) and the convenience of the rechargeable battery. Budget gear is very good
@@flyingrat492 low cost stuff has come a LOOOOOONNNNGGG way from when i started out. so much so that it almost blows my mind sometimes with just how good it has gotten
So many of these unlicensed 2.4GHZ and 5.8GHZ systems out there, way too much possibility of interference from WiFi signals. This is the exact reason why they are inexpensive. Good for local shows and short distances, but those frequency ranges are simply too crowded. Great video Collin!
I wish the B-8 stayed away from the more crowded 2.4 Ghz frequency range and used the 5.8 GHz range that the smaller home unit you showed at the very beginning uses. I have used the C-5RC (the 5.8 GHz one you showed) outside at a small live thing we did and it worked just fine, but the bass player had a 2.4 GHz one that was definitely getting interference from something in the area. It would also be nice if you could buy additional transmitters for different guitars so you didn't have to switch the whole pack and cable when you change guitars (which is definitely a more professional feature). EDIT - maybe that last feature request is what pushes you into the more real pro territory like Shure or other like manufacturers.
Wireless technology is constantly moving into unoccupied bands, which then get crowded and have to move on again. It wasn't so long ago that 2.4GHz was the least crowded space that people were jumping into to avoid the very crowded UHF, which is now much less occupied. It really depends on what other tech is being used around you, and the quality of the equipment used. The C-5RC is able to jump between channels to find the most stable, least occupied frequency in the band. If a wireless doesn't have that ability, it will be more prone to interference and cross talk regardless of the operating frequency.
@@ScienceofLoud I think you have to go with an overall approach. In general, 5.8 GHz is less crowded than 2.4 GHz right now. It likely won't always be that way, but that is true for any band that becomes available. The channel switching is definitely a good feature as it helps you find a clear signal. I rigged up a solution to put the transmitter on my strap by using a wireless holder and built some cables with a female 1/4" connector and a male 1/4" connector - very similar to the setup with this one. I do like the features with the tuner and the boost and the varied outputs - that probably makes it worth the boost in price.
Plug the receiver into your Fuzz Face you made. Those things are notoriously picky about wanting to have *only* a guitar plugged into them. If it farts out (and I expect it to), have the wireless receiver plugged into a passive reamp box first. That should correct for the impedance mismatch.
If you want to go the less professional route, AM transmitters are fun to use on guitars. You can tune any radio to hear signal and easily make weird speaker arrays.
Great stuff! and Hugely tempting 😁👍 I use one of the cheap wee dongle ones, but only for sound checks. It's a total tone sucker, and it's advertised 3ms latency is BS and massively noticeable. This NUX guy looks legit 😎👍 and Kudos for getting oot the hoose 👊
Wireless kits are awesome but I think wireless should be standard and built into guitars and amps. I would go a step farther and say that the charger should be built into the guitar stand and put the guitar and amp into a low power stand by mode. Then to play guitar you would simply need to pick it up. This would probably not be good enough for larger gigs but if guitar and amp companies started working on this now in ten to fifteen years it may very well be good enough for larger venues. But for the majority of players jamming at home I think this kind of wireless integration would be extremely appealing. A company like Roland should get right on this concept with a company like Ibanez or Yamaha. The next generation of boss katana's should push this sort of wireless integration. If anyone else agrees please spread this idea and get it to guitar manufacturers so they will build this into their guitars and amps. It shouldn't be a replacement for guitar cables just an option that should become a standard for consumers.
This wireless system is responsible (or rather all of the videos talking about it are responsible) for informing me I'd been mispronouncing NU*X. I'd been saying "Nux." Now I'm embarrassed to find out it's "New X." Well, I guess you learn something new all the time.
Which part of a guitar amplifier is directly responsible for determining the wattage rating, and is it possible to upgrade it (Such as turning a 30 watt amp into a 120 watt amp) without having to reimagine the entire amplifier circuit?
Someone needs to validate how these perform with active pickup guitars. I have the Nux B-5RC which does a great job except it introduces a slight noise when used with active pickups/preamps. And that gets much worse with hi-gain pedal chains. Nothing that can't be handled by controlling your volume when not playing, but no one seems to have called it out... Also, if you have a bunch of bluetooth systems (such as those found in newer portable PA speakers) and/or wireless in-ear monitors around you, the range gets a massive hit. Hopefully removing the Tx from the guitar body solves for some of these problems.
Only concern I have about these digital wireless systems is not range but rather interference from e.g. half of audience trying to connect to club Wi-Fi.
I grabbed one early on, and so far it works a treat and seems well made. I've done a few gigs with it. However, there is no option to buy a spare transmitter cable, and a standard one from Line6, which has the same plugs, doesn't work. I mentioned this on their FB page, and someone from the compnay said they would be available soon, but that was 6 or 7 months ago. I can't take it on tour unless I can bring a spare cable for it :(
I've just buzzed it out on the multimeter to confirm: It's a completely standard 6.35mm to 3.5mm mono TS jack cable. You can buy them very cheaply on online, or even solder one together yourself. Here's an amazon link: www.amazon.co.uk/kenable-3-5mm-MONO-6-35mm-Cable-Black/dp/B06XXQ3CD3 I have no idea what cable the Line 6 systems use, but assuming it is also a 6.35 to 3.5 type and that isn't working: it's likely that the 3.5mm side is TRS and they've wired the signal to the Ring just to be a pain, making their cables proprietary so you have to buy replacements from them.
For the sake of experiment I just took a 3.5mm stereo AUX cable, slapped a 6.35 TRS convertor onto one side of it, and hooked up a guitar to the transmitter with that: Worked perfectly. I am 100% certain that ANY standard tip to tip wired TS or TRS cable will do the job. Just NOT a TS to TRS, because the tip of the TS will go to both the Tip and Ring of the TRS, and the Ring will short to ground in the socket, taking the whole signal with it.
Nothing that I could notice - that technology is so well established now, even the cheaper units are matching the quality and latency. The main difference is the features, the form factor, and usability. I'd much rather be using the B-8 over the C-5RC purely for the way it integrates with the pedalboard - even if I can't perceive any audible difference.
No, the sounds are equivalent. That side of the technology is very well established at this point - they all should be indistinguishable from cables in terms of sound. It's the features, the integration, and convenience that make is a more attractive option compared to the simpler systems.
From the reviews on Thomann it looks like these have been problematic. Theres only a few reviews and it looks like about half of them are stating that their signal kept cutting out at times.
Never used wireless systems before but thinking of buying one. I've read about the cheaper Nux that it doesn't translate volume swells properly, is that true?
I certainly didn't encounter any issues like that, rolling back on the volume and swelling in didn't cause any problems that I could notice. I don't see any reason for that to be the case either - if there were issues with bit depth not being able to properly represent changing signal levels it would be happening all the time, not just on volume swells.
2.4G only? no option to switch to 5G? I'm afraid if there's a wireless 2.4G router nearby, both the guitar wireless system and router will stop working. Have tried quite a few 2.4G guitar systems, none passed the test.
Was this video sponsored or the wireless kit provided free of charge? I typically love your stuff, but this a bit shill-ish for me. I know a man's gotta eat, but at least disclose it.
It is disclosed: at the start of the video with RUclips's official "contains paid promotion" feature, and a written disclosure in the description itself. There you will also find a link to my website with discusses how I handle disclosure: www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure I expect my audience to pay attention to onscreen elements and to seek additional information in the description if they need clarification on anything. I spend time ensuring all of these elements are in place, please do not lay the blame on me because you did not notice them.
Untethering yourself from a tangle of cables with guitar wireless systems allows you to freely roam the stage and beyond. NUX B-8 offers a professional wireless solution with numerous additional features that put it leagues ahead of the basic wireless plugs many guitarists have encountered.
NUX B-8 Wireless Links:
Thomann - thmn.to/thoprod/583717?offid=1&affid=367
More info - www.nuxaudio.com/b8.html
This video contains paid promotion from NUX
More details on how Science of Loud implements product promotion - www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure
#NUX #wireless #scienceofloud
What's with the American "Rowter" it's "Rooter". You travel along a "Root" not a "Rowt" like down the M8 between Edinburgh & Glasgow. And I hope you say "Cap-oh" not "Cape-oh"?
Just a wee comment to say i had a lot of fun and hope we get to do some more stuff together soon! Was a great laugh 😂💜
That 2.5ms latency is also less latency than standing one meter away from a guitar cabinet, as sound travels roughly ~0.343m per millisecond.
Sure, the latency will be cumulative on top of your existing overall system latency. But to simulate the added latency, take a 0.9m/3ft step back from the position you normally stand in front of your cabinet/monitor.
Now while roaming on a stage, a wireless guitar system paired with wireless IEMs actually give you less overall perceived latency than playing wired and monitoring through a cabinet. Sound traveling 5 meters is already ~15 milliseconds. Fully wireless also provides an effectively fixed latency anywhere on stage, meanwhile wired + cabinet varies.
Caveman pentatonic widdling For The Win! You even wouldn’t be out of place with the name Angus. Love the charging approach too, might be a good replacement for my boss one that finally died! Thanks Colin!
These look great. I have the NUX b6 sax mic and love it.
I know it would be more difficult to organise, but I would love to see the same test carried out somewhere really busy, like in a train station or local festival for example, where there is a ton of potential for interference from other sources and see how it holds up.
Another great video cheers Colin
you know, i have been pleasantly surprised with low cost gear these days. it has come a LOOOOOONG way to a point that its actually worth buying now. i wish so much of the low cost stuff available now was available when i first started playing. its just amazing what we can do these days with lower cost gear
Have to say my £100 wireless performs about the same as my £500 wireless, main difference is how fast it connects (not relevant when playing) and the convenience of the rechargeable battery. Budget gear is very good
@@flyingrat492 low cost stuff has come a LOOOOOONNNNGGG way from when i started out. so much so that it almost blows my mind sometimes with just how good it has gotten
I bought one of these after seeing a few demos. Works as well as my guitar player's Shure GLX.
So many of these unlicensed 2.4GHZ and 5.8GHZ systems out there, way too much possibility of interference from WiFi signals. This is the exact reason why they are inexpensive. Good for local shows and short distances, but those frequency ranges are simply too crowded. Great video Collin!
Glad to see an outtake at the end of the video again. 😊
That looks like so much fun!! Very handy little unit, I like the built-in tuner and clean boost.
I wish the B-8 stayed away from the more crowded 2.4 Ghz frequency range and used the 5.8 GHz range that the smaller home unit you showed at the very beginning uses. I have used the C-5RC (the 5.8 GHz one you showed) outside at a small live thing we did and it worked just fine, but the bass player had a 2.4 GHz one that was definitely getting interference from something in the area. It would also be nice if you could buy additional transmitters for different guitars so you didn't have to switch the whole pack and cable when you change guitars (which is definitely a more professional feature). EDIT - maybe that last feature request is what pushes you into the more real pro territory like Shure or other like manufacturers.
Wireless technology is constantly moving into unoccupied bands, which then get crowded and have to move on again. It wasn't so long ago that 2.4GHz was the least crowded space that people were jumping into to avoid the very crowded UHF, which is now much less occupied.
It really depends on what other tech is being used around you, and the quality of the equipment used.
The C-5RC is able to jump between channels to find the most stable, least occupied frequency in the band. If a wireless doesn't have that ability, it will be more prone to interference and cross talk regardless of the operating frequency.
@@ScienceofLoud I think you have to go with an overall approach. In general, 5.8 GHz is less crowded than 2.4 GHz right now. It likely won't always be that way, but that is true for any band that becomes available. The channel switching is definitely a good feature as it helps you find a clear signal.
I rigged up a solution to put the transmitter on my strap by using a wireless holder and built some cables with a female 1/4" connector and a male 1/4" connector - very similar to the setup with this one. I do like the features with the tuner and the boost and the varied outputs - that probably makes it worth the boost in price.
What if six musicians had one each on the same stage will it keep each signal chain separate ?
The new branding is looking absolutely gorgeous mate!
Plug the receiver into your Fuzz Face you made. Those things are notoriously picky about wanting to have *only* a guitar plugged into them.
If it farts out (and I expect it to), have the wireless receiver plugged into a passive reamp box first. That should correct for the impedance mismatch.
I hope NUX is sponsoring your knee surgeries 😆 Brilliant demo, and clever design by NUX!
Not featured is the bit where I jumped off that tiny stage and my knees completely buckled. Truly an indication that I'm not exercising enough.
If you want to go the less professional route, AM transmitters are fun to use on guitars. You can tune any radio to hear signal and easily make weird speaker arrays.
Kinda wish they made bigger model of that where transmiter also gives You ability to plug in ear monitors
Great stuff! and Hugely tempting 😁👍
I use one of the cheap wee dongle ones, but only for sound checks.
It's a total tone sucker, and it's advertised 3ms latency is BS and massively noticeable.
This NUX guy looks legit 😎👍 and Kudos for getting oot the hoose 👊
"that yer age startin tae show" hahaha
😂
Wayyyy AwesomE for the active artist just remember head mount microphone placement"heavy breathing"🔥😈🎸 bro
Wireless kits are awesome but I think wireless should be standard and built into guitars and amps. I would go a step farther and say that the charger should be built into the guitar stand and put the guitar and amp into a low power stand by mode. Then to play guitar you would simply need to pick it up. This would probably not be good enough for larger gigs but if guitar and amp companies started working on this now in ten to fifteen years it may very well be good enough for larger venues. But for the majority of players jamming at home I think this kind of wireless integration would be extremely appealing. A company like Roland should get right on this concept with a company like Ibanez or Yamaha. The next generation of boss katana's should push this sort of wireless integration. If anyone else agrees please spread this idea and get it to guitar manufacturers so they will build this into their guitars and amps. It shouldn't be a replacement for guitar cables just an option that should become a standard for consumers.
Cool idea
It's not true wireless demo till you've played a solo from the bogs, though depending on the size of the venue, you might need in-ears too
I knew there was something we forgot to film...
"We dooooo! We dooooo!"
Great demo! Should we be concerned with interference at 2.4GHz and not UHF or 5.8GHz? Other than that, it seems great
might want to switch to decaf in the afternoon mate, other than that great vid
This wireless system is responsible (or rather all of the videos talking about it are responsible) for informing me I'd been mispronouncing NU*X. I'd been saying "Nux." Now I'm embarrassed to find out it's "New X." Well, I guess you learn something new all the time.
When I first started working with NUX, they sent me a pronunciation guide to ensure I didn't make the same mistake
Which part of a guitar amplifier is directly responsible for determining the wattage rating, and is it possible to upgrade it (Such as turning a 30 watt amp into a 120 watt amp) without having to reimagine the entire amplifier circuit?
Someone needs to validate how these perform with active pickup guitars. I have the Nux B-5RC which does a great job except it introduces a slight noise when used with active pickups/preamps. And that gets much worse with hi-gain pedal chains. Nothing that can't be handled by controlling your volume when not playing, but no one seems to have called it out... Also, if you have a bunch of bluetooth systems (such as those found in newer portable PA speakers) and/or wireless in-ear monitors around you, the range gets a massive hit. Hopefully removing the Tx from the guitar body solves for some of these problems.
Only concern I have about these digital wireless systems is not range but rather interference from e.g. half of audience trying to connect to club Wi-Fi.
a post on how DI and re amping works would be good.
Oh, I already made that video - and very few people watched it: ruclips.net/video/YD_O7-dSYmk/видео.html
@@ScienceofLoud I did!
@@ScienceofLoud I watched it
I grabbed one early on, and so far it works a treat and seems well made. I've done a few gigs with it. However, there is no option to buy a spare transmitter cable, and a standard one from Line6, which has the same plugs, doesn't work. I mentioned this on their FB page, and someone from the compnay said they would be available soon, but that was 6 or 7 months ago. I can't take it on tour unless I can bring a spare cable for it :(
I've just buzzed it out on the multimeter to confirm: It's a completely standard 6.35mm to 3.5mm mono TS jack cable. You can buy them very cheaply on online, or even solder one together yourself.
Here's an amazon link: www.amazon.co.uk/kenable-3-5mm-MONO-6-35mm-Cable-Black/dp/B06XXQ3CD3
I have no idea what cable the Line 6 systems use, but assuming it is also a 6.35 to 3.5 type and that isn't working: it's likely that the 3.5mm side is TRS and they've wired the signal to the Ring just to be a pain, making their cables proprietary so you have to buy replacements from them.
@@ScienceofLoud I've tried 2 different ones but neither worked. I'll def give it another try though. Thanks :)
For the sake of experiment I just took a 3.5mm stereo AUX cable, slapped a 6.35 TRS convertor onto one side of it, and hooked up a guitar to the transmitter with that: Worked perfectly.
I am 100% certain that ANY standard tip to tip wired TS or TRS cable will do the job.
Just NOT a TS to TRS, because the tip of the TS will go to both the Tip and Ring of the TRS, and the Ring will short to ground in the socket, taking the whole signal with it.
@@ScienceofLoud Awesome. Thanks very much \m/
In terms of sound quality and latency, what’s the difference from their cheaper units? Is it noticeable?
Nothing that I could notice - that technology is so well established now, even the cheaper units are matching the quality and latency.
The main difference is the features, the form factor, and usability. I'd much rather be using the B-8 over the C-5RC purely for the way it integrates with the pedalboard - even if I can't perceive any audible difference.
Would you say this has a better SOUND than the simpler systems?
No, the sounds are equivalent. That side of the technology is very well established at this point - they all should be indistinguishable from cables in terms of sound.
It's the features, the integration, and convenience that make is a more attractive option compared to the simpler systems.
@@ScienceofLoud I mean I have an Xvive U2 system and I think the wireless sound is worse than cabled
@WalterBranky that might be an issue with Xvive. I've never had any hands-on experience with their wireless products.
Hey Colin, your Thomann link is broken...
They are connecting through just fine on my end: thmn.to/thoprod/583717?offid=1&affid=367
From the reviews on Thomann it looks like these have been problematic. Theres only a few reviews and it looks like about half of them are stating that their signal kept cutting out at times.
I have several NUX's products. Always, after some time, I got slightly unhappy with NUX performance.
Which product did you use?
@@Monkcustom mighty combo, multieffect MG20 (gave it away for free), drive force pedal (this seems to be not bad), tiny wireless ,...
@@xiaokang8692@xiaokang8692 Try the new staff; the current ones are pretty good.
Never used wireless systems before but thinking of buying one. I've read about the cheaper Nux that it doesn't translate volume swells properly, is that true?
I certainly didn't encounter any issues like that, rolling back on the volume and swelling in didn't cause any problems that I could notice.
I don't see any reason for that to be the case either - if there were issues with bit depth not being able to properly represent changing signal levels it would be happening all the time, not just on volume swells.
@@ScienceofLoud could an analog part of the system affect the volume taper?
2.4G only? no option to switch to 5G? I'm afraid if there's a wireless 2.4G router nearby, both the guitar wireless system and router will stop working. Have tried quite a few 2.4G guitar systems, none passed the test.
The B-8 has an auto-hopping technology algorithm to avoid RF interference. BTW, it uses 1MHz bandwidth, so it also helps against the interference.
Sounds like some nux bait.
STONECUTTERS
33 seconds ago is crazy
you got here early!
Was this video sponsored or the wireless kit provided free of charge? I typically love your stuff, but this a bit shill-ish for me. I know a man's gotta eat, but at least disclose it.
It is disclosed: at the start of the video with RUclips's official "contains paid promotion" feature, and a written disclosure in the description itself.
There you will also find a link to my website with discusses how I handle disclosure: www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure
I expect my audience to pay attention to onscreen elements and to seek additional information in the description if they need clarification on anything.
I spend time ensuring all of these elements are in place, please do not lay the blame on me because you did not notice them.
@@ScienceofLoud you got me there man, my bad
updated software, still drop outs,,I wasted my money,,
drop outs,,, this unit suck
Is commercial, but good commercial, yah?
People buy equipment, it's better they buy it well informed - That's what I'm here to do: Show you my experiences and what I was able to do with it.