@@Shahzeb1988the tall guy is puppet he just want portrayed an image and always searching for approval from people around to feel he is winning, pathetic
No he wasn't, he intellectually didn't understand what they were saying to him. Due to the lack of understanding, by Sara's logic, the answer didn't exist. He would have only understood them if they gave him the answer he wanted. He kept on talking about subjective but expected objective answers for his small mind to fathom.
@@markorbit4752 Sara is lost, he bases his beliefs on his own understanding alone. He clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand Hijab and therefore couldn't say a word. He's not only disrespectful to others'beliefs but also ignorant. He started to attack Hijab on a personal level because he had nothing else to say. Go watch Sara's other debates. All terrible.
Reason over Dogma i think two mouths have a slight advantage over one mouth, that just common sense and a conversation tends to work better that way with a clearer outcome in terms of staying on topic... in any case its an advantage ie two horses are better than one, and so on. I dont think thats very difficult to figure out.Its not about brains it just the fact they can throw twice as much questions at him to defer them from answering his.which they do.
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Because they are peddling it as the only truth and factual information, follow me or you go to hellfire thats why! We are right everybody else in the whole world is wrong.
Im basic? Okay. In pretty much every single one of your videos you are the one claiming to be the superior being/race. So what makes you different from the people who follow any religion?
B15... A belief doesn't require evidence. I could believe in fairies and unicorns. It's a BELIEF not a fact! If you are saying something is a FACT then you require evidence to back it up
+Sa Ra Garvey you said you watched the video more than 3 times, but you are still unable to disprove one of three premises Muhammad provided you with in order to reach an objective reality, not a subjective one
New to this channel but I must say as much as I enjoyed listening to them go back and forth.. I love the way Ali responds and comments he's so funny in a good way in good way of course:-))
Sara is correct... From the Scientific point-of-view using the Big Bang Theory and the Steady-State Theory, the Universe originated from matter and energy leading into the formation of the Universe. Energy is part of us. If you hold your hand up and hold it against another close, you will feel the heat and energy and tingle pulse.
What was the point of Ali debating here, he just kept interrupting the debate between Mohammed and Sara. Ali's interjections didn't bring much to the table at all. If we are talking about Islam, Mohammed seems to know much more than Ali. Ali should of just left these two to it. Mohammed is one of the best debaters in Hyde Park and clearly very intelligent. But he needs to understand that not all people are muslim and that not all people appreciate being touched so frequently.
NAYEM SCORPION Compare Ali to Mohammed. Ali is really emotional, gets frustrated and even angry at times. Raises his voice and can be sarcastic. In general, Ali can't debate very well and debates because he is so emotional and passionate about Islam. Mohammed on the other hand is cool, calm and collected. He is polite and doesn't get emotionally riled. He is respectful and he clearly has a lot of knowledge on Islam and science. Ali ruined this debate for Mohammed.
NAYEM SCORPION I haven't listeed to Sara before. But he started off with a legitimate argument, but he then got caught out and didn't have a response. Athiests can't disprove god. Sara's point about Mohammed having understood him despite Sara using the wrong terminology was so flawed. Mohammed understood Sara not because he took what he said literally word for word, but because he guessed what Sara is getting at. If you want to talk facts, then you have to explain everything that you mean. Running away from explaining what you fully mean is a cheap cop out. That's when Mohammed won the debate in my opinion. If Sara had fully explained himself and exactly what he meant, then we would of continued with an interesting debate. But Sara had no answer to Mohammed's question and replied with a poor response.
I find it funny everyone is criticizing ali. He's the one who originally was talking to sa ra in the first place and he was most humble of them all. He's not afraid to say I don't know but his points didn't make sense.
When a person tells you, i believe in this God and in this book just leave him alone, no hope there you are just wasting your time and they will not accept any kind of logic, But respect Sa Ra for trying and i liked his points of view.
His argument is that "energy" created the world and that this energy always existed, firstly his argument is based upon what we know from GCSE science let a lone something more substantial (without mocking) i.e. that energy can not be created or destroyed, as the brother pointed out "within" the universe. Secondly he claims that this energy created his ancestors, if it did then that energy had a "will", he would possibly point out that it just changed one would ask why?...what evidence does he have that "energy" which has no will, mind, reasoning to bring something into existence and how would it bring about a complex human being into existence let alone a human but the universe we live in. If i'm getting his argument, he dismisses God but acknowledges a creator for his ancestors but then makes out that his ancestors are superior since they were bought into existence due to that energy. So one would say his God is energy.
"'within' the universe" ...You have to define this term very carefully. For example, does the universe mean all of the phenomenal world, all of reality, or only a part of it?
Energy can be destroyed though, the universe will have extremely low energy levels after the black hole era which will fill the universe with black holes but even these black holes will evaporate in time. What happens when everything dies is speculative
Lucifer Energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another. Basic Physics. A black hole should emit energy from it's boundaries.
@@BrakaInu but at the same time you talk about your North African invading ancestors like they were heros...also, don't forget...your R Kelly prophet, was speaking to himself in the cave...#dummy
A N, you have the genes of your ancestors. If this is not enough, him existing today logically means that his ancestors had to be alive to give birth to him and same goes for his parents.
As an ex muslim, all these levels of intellectual sphere Sara is taking muslims are so new to them. These are things that are never taught or allowed in madrassas. Critical thinking is forbidden in madrassas and muslim communities. Watch both Hijab and Ali faces when Sara asked them if Allah is SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE. The look on their faces is priceless! That was the A-ha moment for them. That question really hit them. The question of the difference between Objective, Subjective, Belief and Knowledge is new to majority of muslims. This is like so alien to them. They NEVER thought of such things.
As an Ex muslim myself I concur. I am now an agnostic atheist and have been treated to these philosophical arguments by since 2017 by the atheist RUclips platforms.. Sa Ra was not very sophisticated here in 2016 but compared to the guys he was debating he absolutely had the better and honest arguments. That's my opinion ofcourse..
You don’t , and haven’t ever known the history of muslims. These topics are normal throughout history. Just because your sheep acquaintances gave you a different image, doesn’t mean islam is shallow 😂. This guy talking like muslims are 50 iq. Maybe you’re 50 iq because that’s how you percieved it. If you even knew the knowledge behind majmaul bahrain, you’d feel like a fool for saying this rubbish.
Prove what? Lol. You guys are sooooo dense! It's subjective, it's cannot be proven objectively. Just like your Allah can't be proven objectively. Welcome to the Crazy side of life 😂
@ Sa Ra. Much respect to you mate. You can tell that after 15 minutes in the debate that both of them were running out of ideas and decided to regurgitate the same arguments. I wish you more victories in the future!
Please fast forward to 31:38 !!! I’ve never seen Mohammed hijab silenced in such a fashion… you can see in his facial expressions and body language he has been snookered and has no way out 😂 Great work SaRa once again!
Ali dawah: STOP!! LEMME SAY SOMETHING, I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING!!! *IGNORED* MOHAMMAD! MOHAMMAD! I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING! *THEY CONTINUE TO IGNORE* HEY HEY!! LET ME FINISH LET MEEEEE FINISH!!! MOHAMMAD MOHAMMAD LET MR FINIIISHHHH!!! *IGNORED*
Yeah, I thought Sara won this one. Although I do disagree with him, I think that his points were just better stated and managed to solidify his point more. Hijab did a good job of countering and defending, but Sara was just better. As for Ali, he didn't really do much. But I did find it weird and funny how Hijab kept touching Sara.
Loved this debate, brilliant to watch. All three men made really good points, I thought Sara edged it slightly but not enough for me to believe there is not a God simply because it is faith and I don't have to prove His existence but then again I am Christian not Muslim so yeah
And he said that the believing of god is subjective, and he is right , objectively, it's impossible to prove the existence of something, outside of this universe 😉
And sara still doesn't have the meaning of subjective or objective, trying to talk like hamza. Sorry sara your still got away to go to get to hamaz platform
Mohammed couldn't handle it, so resorted to little power trip moves like holding your shoulder and calling you "my boy", in an attempt to exert some kind of control over you
Sa ra vs the chuckle brothers.. 😂 they need their heads banging together! Hijab resorts to throwing punches and slaps when he loses an argument. Sa ra has these two in knots !
The concept of God is highly subjective and can vary greatly among different individuals and cultures. Some people believe in a personal God who is all-knowing, all-powerful, and who has a personal relationship with each of their believers. Others believe in a more abstract or impersonal concept of God. Ultimately, whether God is subjective or objective depends on one's individual beliefs and perspective.
Carl Lunnon Because he’s sticking to logic idiot, sara is appealing to an infinite regress. Green jacket guy is ending it at the beginning. Not hard unless you have no understanding of rationality or logic
The idea that you are your ancestors is not entirely false. The concept doesn't seem hard to understand. You are your ancestors because you are a product of them which shows they must exist, they can't be someone's belief.
Jordan white its not entirely correct either, otherwise we wd hv 1 mind, & if u look at parent-child conflict, this show's that we r dffrnt to our ancestors
Daygo G But has saying has connected one way or another it's true. You're spiritual connected with your family so what's the difference a few century agos
1-0 to sara for critical thinking and intelligence. sick of people goin around driving fear into folks to join their religion. it's a war on the human mind. PEACE sara. u went in. we need to fight to keep our minds. "the greatest weopon in the hands of the oppressor is the minds of the oppressed" words of Steve beko
when someone debates Sa Ra in the future, can they please focus on HIS beliefs because i have noticed when he gets asked about his beliefs he smoothly wriggles out of it and ends up talking about the muslim beliefs. His beliefs are ridiculous no wonder he doesnt want to talk about them. Br. Hamza did exactly that and managed to make sa ra look really stupid
Reason over Dogma why does it matter ? It matters a lot because the question was about his belief and his ancestors not on Islam but he changed it to Islam more than his ancestors. You know why? Because he doesn't make sense and has a lack of solid proof
the point is its subjective he's already said his beliefs are personal. he doesn't make the claim that they are "true" to others nor does he care. the islamic stance is very different therefore requires them to prove their outlandish claims. thats the whole point of this debate.
Put yourself in that situation. If you were speaking with someone like Sara you would do the same thing. You have to be passive agressive in order to speak your mind or bring out your arguments
we are followers of the best man to walk the earth (prophet Mohammed saw) he wasn't aggressive so the Muslim brothers who are doing dawah for the sake of Allah deserve credit.May Allah the only GOD keep us guided ameen
You did a good job there Sa Ra. And that's the calmest I've seen Ali too. Good debate. I think its just fear. Life for people without religion or the chance it may go away is pure fear. If I don't stay a Catholic....I'm still a man. White. A builder. A husband. A farther. I have so many causes and rights to stand up for defend and a life to lead that's just and happy. Catholicism is a small part of who I am and my role in the short time I'm here is far more than preparing for when I'm not!!! Ultimately we all need to transcend the melevolance that is life and make our mark.....a good memory of yourself held by others after your gone is a start.
I'm a Muslim, and I have to give Sa Ra props here. I understand and respect his arguments and the way he handled these two. Mohammad Hijab was rude at times, showing signs of frustration that Sa Ra had him stumped. And Hijab uses his common tactic of using big words to divert away from the point. Not a sincere debator at all.
For sure. Admirable arguments and exemplary behavior from him. As a Muslim I find Hijab and his minion there truly detestable. Sa Ra was right when he said they do a disservice to their faith.
hes basically replacing God with energy and where he gets his tools from to create the Universe, a Divine Entities intentions is something a human mind can't comprehend, Islam even teaches that 'Allah knows what we don't'.
Not really - he just claimed that KCA deductively proves his position, which is false. KCA is layer upon layer of assumption, a bullshit lasagna. The real difference here is that Sa Ra realises his position is a matter of faith and the other two are deluded enough to think theirs is a matter of fact. Oh - and Sa Ra understands where the burden of evidence lies in a debate, the other two don't.
First they said Sara is going to become aggressive .. He didn't.. He then kept touching him and asking him his name to bring on agitation.. Guys a prick
For some one to believe in what ever they think to be true is there given right to do so. But making another to believe in the same acceptance is unethical
21:09 Time concept is only applied within the cosmos, if we they already established that the creator is outside the cosmos (which they did) then sara shouldn’t have said god took time to make his decision, he is all knowing and he is eternal, so that implies that he knows that he will creat the universe eternally.
“Your krazy is not superior to my Krazy though“ 😆😂🤣😂🤣 I’m dying.. Sa Ra is 🔥🔥🔥.. No one is even listening to Ali as he continues to say listen to me okay 😂🤣😂🤣..
This man talks to jinn that he thinks is his ancestors. He admitted to practicing voodoo and he's a kemet. He is into ancient Egypt and beliefs in the hidden knowledge which is basically sorcery and summoning jinn. He's being fooled and hope he finds guidance insallah!
Yep i concur, the only way to help Sa Ra is to do an Islamic exorcism. Next time hes in the park get a Qari to start reading Ruqyah on loud speraker. LOL
sa ra needs to learn about jinn's theres plenty of videos about it on youtube. dont go straight in to prove it wheres thre evidence etc just for once follow through with it and play safe if you later on in life or the next life come to learn that it was true they you can atleast say i tried to protect myself . you should live your life like that its wise to be safe if 10 people say dont go down that road because you will get shoot but yet i 10 peeps cant prove it,it would be wise to play safe and avoid it
Sarah Allow it lol u still going on but had to run before Mohammed shamed u and u was lucky that Ali was coming in and out the convo I know u will be avoiding them from now lol lol lol u looked so bad then started cursing I thought you want to benefit the community I know your people and proved them wrong too lol u all a like wannabes sad people
Did you know that the bible the Tankh (The OT) and the NT teaches that you must love yourself first.......before you can love another person? Go figure....
u are dumb like him not tag team it's clear man talking faarrraaaaffff but think his talking sense he use words that he don't even know but still think his smart road rat is a road rat end off
The black guy is correct. Absolutely destroyed any counter argument placed.
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
@@Shahzeb1988the tall guy is puppet he just want portrayed an image and always searching for approval from people around to feel he is winning, pathetic
No he wasn't, he intellectually didn't understand what they were saying to him. Due to the lack of understanding, by Sara's logic, the answer didn't exist. He would have only understood them if they gave him the answer he wanted. He kept on talking about subjective but expected objective answers for his small mind to fathom.
@@hajirahabbasi2570 They tried to avoid answering his questions directly and he did not allow them to beat around the bush.
@@markorbit4752 Sara is lost, he bases his beliefs on his own understanding alone. He clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand Hijab and therefore couldn't say a word. He's not only disrespectful to others'beliefs but also ignorant. He started to attack Hijab on a personal level because he had nothing else to say. Go watch Sara's other debates. All terrible.
In my humble opinion I think this is the best debate I have seen via RUclips from speakers corner.
why is that? I think it's horribly to have two against one
Reason over Dogma i think two mouths have a slight advantage over one mouth, that just common sense and a conversation tends to work better that way with a clearer outcome in terms of staying on topic... in any case its an advantage ie two horses are better than one, and so on. I dont think thats very difficult to figure out.Its not about brains it just the fact they can throw twice as much questions at him to defer them from answering his.which they do.
AR 23 I meant I think it's horrible to have two on one. Not u think. Typo on my phone. Lol
Reason over Dogma got ya lol
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Ali looks like he’s doing sign language when he speaks
LOL
I'm not surprised Ali looks autistic.
@RealGodsTruth yeh I'm neither Muslim nor Christian.
@RealGodsTruth you're definitely on cocaine. Can you tell me the name of your dealer as I need some.
@RealGodsTruth I believe in no gods. All religion is made up.
Sa Ra, is such a great guy.
Keep up the good work 👍
This debate was terrible. I have a headache no joke.
You’re so sad Sara
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
44:02
Sa Ra: You two came as a twin
Ali: You come as triplets sometimes
I'm dead 😂
Why is Sa Ra always asking for them to bring evidence or proof but yet cannot do the same with his own belief?
Because they are peddling it as the only truth and factual information, follow me or you go to hellfire thats why! We are right everybody else in the whole world is wrong.
You are so BASIC.
I'm not saying my belief is a fact! That's why! Do you know the difference between a knowing and a belief?
Im basic? Okay.
In pretty much every single one of your videos you are the one claiming to be the superior being/race. So what makes you different from the people who follow any religion?
B15... A belief doesn't require evidence. I could believe in fairies and unicorns. It's a BELIEF not a fact!
If you are saying something is a FACT then you require evidence to back it up
+Sa Ra Garvey you said you watched the video more than 3 times, but you are still unable to disprove one of three premises Muhammad provided you with in order to reach an objective reality, not a subjective one
Sa Ra outclassed you both
2 against Sara and they came out looking a tad deluded 🤐
Sa ra said that he is deluded
Is this a comedy... I laughed when Ali said am I your ancestor.. These guys. Comedy gold.
😂 😂 😂
Clowns
Hijab's pride is his downfall..
They couldn’t argue with Sara what he was saying is true. Big up Sara in the up rising of black people.
What has black got to do with anything?
black people are not a monolith. why do you assume that he speaks for black people?
New to this channel but I must say as much as I enjoyed listening to them go back and forth.. I love the way Ali responds and comments he's so funny in a good way in good way of course:-))
If you understood what I was saying, you understood what I was saying. That was fuckin' brilliant.
AdultHumanFemale 😂
Sara is correct...
From the Scientific point-of-view using the Big Bang Theory and the Steady-State Theory, the Universe originated from matter and energy leading into the formation of the Universe.
Energy is part of us. If you hold your hand up and hold it against another close, you will feel the heat and energy and tingle pulse.
The fact that Sara exists proves that his ancestors exist. Why can't they grasp this simple fact
How did Mr. Sara's ancestors exist...?.
Thanks.
"Existed" or "used to exist once upon a time" not just "exist"
@barry williams nah u
Yes cause and effect, religious people use cause and effect to prove God
@@KaMasno huh??
This remain the best debate i have ever watched.. Can't get enough of it😅
This is amazing. More debates like this please.
He touches coz he likes to be in control of people like him. These lot just try n talk over people and intimidate. Well done sa ra.
Well said sir
Ali dawa is useless to this debate
He is standing there just saying stupid stuff
No matter what sara said they twisted it you were hitting them with facts good man
This guy literally owned them for nearly two hours..
He really didn't mohammed hijab intellectually dominated him and had him cornered 😅 also he need a lesson on the words he uses
LMAO we must’ve been watching a different video they were playing with him for 2 hours making him show the flaws in his argument
@@Bila786x😂😂😂👌
Send me the link, I couldn’t find that in this video… 🫢
Lol
What was the point of Ali debating here, he just kept interrupting the debate between Mohammed and Sara. Ali's interjections didn't bring much to the table at all. If we are talking about Islam, Mohammed seems to know much more than Ali. Ali should of just left these two to it. Mohammed is one of the best debaters in Hyde Park and clearly very intelligent. But he needs to understand that not all people are muslim and that not all people appreciate being touched so frequently.
NAYEM SCORPION Compare Ali to Mohammed. Ali is really emotional, gets frustrated and even angry at times. Raises his voice and can be sarcastic. In general, Ali can't debate very well and debates because he is so emotional and passionate about Islam. Mohammed on the other hand is cool, calm and collected. He is polite and doesn't get emotionally riled. He is respectful and he clearly has a lot of knowledge on Islam and science. Ali ruined this debate for Mohammed.
NAYEM SCORPION I haven't listeed to Sara before. But he started off with a legitimate argument, but he then got caught out and didn't have a response. Athiests can't disprove god. Sara's point about Mohammed having understood him despite Sara using the wrong terminology was so flawed. Mohammed understood Sara not because he took what he said literally word for word, but because he guessed what Sara is getting at. If you want to talk facts, then you have to explain everything that you mean. Running away from explaining what you fully mean is a cheap cop out. That's when Mohammed won the debate in my opinion. If Sara had fully explained himself and exactly what he meant, then we would of continued with an interesting debate. But Sara had no answer to Mohammed's question and replied with a poor response.
Unfortunately I have to agree as well. It's making it hard to follow the debate when he keeps interjecting. He should have stayed quiet.
I find it funny everyone is criticizing ali. He's the one who originally was talking to sa ra in the first place and he was most humble of them all. He's not afraid to say I don't know but his points didn't make sense.
i agree with you.he was the most honest... but I did understand his points..a bit batty, and simplistic.
Ali, man, you need to debate peacefully without stress or interjecting every 2 seconds habeeb.
3:32 Ali had me laughing ..."I believe in myself"
this is absolutely brilliant! a genuine argument! they can't get there head around this
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
When a person tells you, i believe in this God and in this book just leave him alone, no hope there you are just wasting your time and they will not accept any kind of logic, But respect Sa Ra for trying and i liked his points of view.
His argument is that "energy" created the world and that this energy always existed, firstly his argument is based upon what we know from GCSE science let a lone something more substantial (without mocking) i.e. that energy can not be created or destroyed, as the brother pointed out "within" the universe. Secondly he claims that this energy created his ancestors, if it did then that energy had a "will", he would possibly point out that it just changed one would ask why?...what evidence does he have that "energy" which has no will, mind, reasoning to bring something into existence and how would it bring about a complex human being into existence let alone a human but the universe we live in.
If i'm getting his argument, he dismisses God but acknowledges a creator for his ancestors but then makes out that his ancestors are superior since they were bought into existence due to that energy. So one would say his God is energy.
"'within' the universe" ...You have to define this term very carefully. For example, does the universe mean all of the phenomenal world, all of reality, or only a part of it?
he was talking about sexual energy
and energy comes from food you can try on muslims also lol.
Energy can be destroyed though, the universe will have extremely low energy levels after the black hole era which will fill the universe with black holes but even these black holes will evaporate in time. What happens when everything dies is speculative
Lucifer Energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another. Basic Physics. A black hole should emit energy from it's boundaries.
This 1s legendary. Always come back to laugh 😂
Yup, it came back on my timeline and it was as great as it was then😂 SaRa destroyed them using their own beliefs
@@deetee4403 yes specially when sara talks about the ancestors, it usually happens when u too much on crack HAHAHAHA
@@BrakaInu but at the same time you talk about your North African invading ancestors like they were heros...also, don't forget...your R Kelly prophet, was speaking to himself in the cave...#dummy
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
@@deetee4403stupid people on youtube… enjoy meaningless debates
This was enjoyable, the funny thing is all three of them have very good arguments lol
We ARE our Ancestors! Absolutely correct!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hazel Hadley-Britt Empirically prove it ?
A N, you have the genes of your ancestors. If this is not enough, him existing today logically means that his ancestors had to be alive to give birth to him and same goes for his parents.
The guy made a valid point if Allah is the only thing existed then so did universe .
Sa Ra smashed it. I totally respect and love this guy.
As an ex muslim, all these levels of intellectual sphere Sara is taking muslims are so new to them. These are things that are never taught or allowed in madrassas. Critical thinking is forbidden in madrassas and muslim communities. Watch both Hijab and Ali faces when Sara asked them if Allah is SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE. The look on their faces is priceless! That was the A-ha moment for them. That question really hit them. The question of the difference between Objective, Subjective, Belief and Knowledge is new to majority of muslims. This is like so alien to them. They NEVER thought of such things.
What sect were you from if you’re an “ex Muslim” funny how you make that your personality trait lmao
@@MohsinAli-jt5rk I was a sunni. My family are still Sunnis.
@@azhaniaorgena6941 I’ve seen your comments. You’re a troll and you spread hate. You ain’t no Sunni.
As an Ex muslim myself I concur. I am now an agnostic atheist and have been treated to these philosophical arguments by since 2017 by the atheist RUclips platforms.. Sa Ra was not very sophisticated here in 2016 but compared to the guys he was debating he absolutely had the better and honest arguments. That's my opinion ofcourse..
You don’t , and haven’t ever known the history of muslims. These topics are normal throughout history.
Just because your sheep acquaintances gave you a different image, doesn’t mean islam is shallow 😂.
This guy talking like muslims are 50 iq.
Maybe you’re 50 iq because that’s how you percieved it.
If you even knew the knowledge behind majmaul bahrain, you’d feel like a fool for saying this rubbish.
This guy called sara showed us, you can make an argument out of anything.
what a wast of time?
It's what they do. It amounts to nothing but gibberish. Some people have let white racism run them to this crap.
Trius f liar
y u comparing khawarij to muslims lmao?
Sa Ra is communicating to hi's ancestors , meaning he hears voices in hi's head.
No... I see dead people
+Sa Ra Garvey
Dont let Bruce Willis hear that or he might want to make a sequal...
Prove what? Lol. You guys are sooooo dense!
It's subjective, it's cannot be proven objectively. Just like your Allah can't be proven objectively.
Welcome to the Crazy side of life 😂
All this time you guys thought you weren't crazy... You thought you had a superior type of crazy
WRONG!
You're just as mad as the rest of the world.
@ Sa Ra. Much respect to you mate. You can tell that after 15 minutes in the debate that both of them were running out of ideas and decided to regurgitate the same arguments. I wish you more victories in the future!
Belief is in the 'mind' of the beholder.
Please fast forward to 31:38 !!!
I’ve never seen Mohammed hijab silenced in such a fashion… you can see in his facial expressions and body language he has been snookered and has no way out 😂
Great work SaRa once again!
Yes, he found no solution and decided to attack by the ancestors, Sa Ra has the character that MO HIJAB Can't deal with
@@taoufiqbenallah9029what is going on…he makes no sense lolll
SA actually won this debate
He didn’t
I love it when bro mohammed says "this is quite embarrassing".
Honest to god this was the funniest shit I've seen all day. If I were high I would have died from laughter
SaRa is educating the 2 muslims logically... lol
yes, the guy who thinks he literally is his ancestors while at the same time he is in contact with his ancestors is educating people.🤦♂️
thats why he had nothing to say in the end and mohammed hijab finished him off xD
Sa Ra made absolute sense, only if they agree their whole world falls to pieces. Well put SaRa
YES Subjective sense oh yesss I love it " subjectivity " it all makes sense
If you think he made sense then I feel sorry for you 😐
Sa ra believe he speak to ancestors.. thats is stupid.. emotional arguement..
Mohammed is Ali’s puppet , we all know this but common sense in his tiny mind isn’t common hahaha
Ali dawah: STOP!! LEMME SAY SOMETHING, I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING!!! *IGNORED* MOHAMMAD! MOHAMMAD! I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING! *THEY CONTINUE TO IGNORE* HEY HEY!! LET ME FINISH LET MEEEEE FINISH!!! MOHAMMAD MOHAMMAD LET MR FINIIISHHHH!!! *IGNORED*
Was gunna read this but ignored it,pull your big boy pants up and stop crying persecution
😂💀
This guy owned Ali bigtime
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
Ali Dawar trying to debate in the adult conversation; the bit when he brought in the socks argument lmao
It's 2022 and I came back to re-watch this classic. I really like Sara and take my hat of to him. There is so much that we all don't know really.
Yeah, I thought Sara won this one. Although I do disagree with him, I think that his points were just better stated and managed to solidify his point more. Hijab did a good job of countering and defending, but Sara was just better. As for Ali, he didn't really do much. But I did find it weird and funny how Hijab kept touching Sara.
Thats why Allah sent us the Quran.
He can fall into the mode like the Pharoah, who lost out with Moses.
Well done Sara. You did super well.
Loved this debate, brilliant to watch. All three men made really good points, I thought Sara edged it slightly but not enough for me to believe there is not a God simply because it is faith and I don't have to prove His existence but then again I am Christian not Muslim so yeah
And he said that the believing of god is subjective, and he is right , objectively, it's impossible to prove the existence of something, outside of this universe 😉
Sara don't let people touch you
Ahhh did he get hurt, you're sensitive mate.
And sara still doesn't have the meaning of subjective or objective, trying to talk like hamza. Sorry sara your still got away to go to get to hamaz platform
love how you come up with facts and all he does is smile and put his hand on you lol so nobody around hears the truth
SARS is extremely intelligent. Hilarious too. Geez!!!! Love the guy.
WHAT!!!!!!!! wahahahah. he doesnt know the difference between inductive and deductive logic. extremely intelligent? ROFL!
A CLASSIC!
Everyone knows I made Hijab & Ali Dawah look like fools 😂
Cnt lie bro u did, das why they dnt like debating u
Mohammed couldn't handle it, so resorted to little power trip moves like holding your shoulder and calling you "my boy", in an attempt to exert some kind of control over you
Sa ra vs the chuckle brothers.. 😂 they need their heads banging together!
Hijab resorts to throwing punches and slaps when he loses an argument.
Sa ra has these two in knots !
Dear Allah sara I'll make prayer for u
Indeed.
The concept of God is highly subjective and can vary greatly among different individuals and cultures. Some people believe in a personal God who is all-knowing, all-powerful, and who has a personal relationship with each of their believers. Others believe in a more abstract or impersonal concept of God. Ultimately, whether God is subjective or objective depends on one's individual beliefs and perspective.
Classic example of when an arguement dies a thousand deaths!
Guy in green jacket .... “we don’t have to use our logic” enuf said
Carl Lunnon Because he’s sticking to logic idiot, sara is appealing to an infinite regress. Green jacket guy is ending it at the beginning. Not hard unless you have no understanding of rationality or logic
Carl Lunnon you’re brain dead
@Sophie Khan you call Sara racist by making a clearly racist remark towards him, you're disgusting
@@williamwallace3994 exactly am a Muslim but the racism from some of the Asian brothers against non Asian Muslims is not Islamic at all
Sa Ra destroyed them
The touching can be used to say I can invade your space and what you gonna do
That brother should have told him to keep his hands to himself, and go and have a shave.
The idea that you are your ancestors is not entirely false. The concept doesn't seem hard to understand.
You are your ancestors because you are a product of them which shows they must exist, they can't be someone's belief.
Jordan white its not entirely correct either, otherwise we wd hv 1 mind, & if u look at parent-child conflict, this show's that we r dffrnt to our ancestors
We are of them, a product of them, but not them. That's it leave it there. It makes sense and doesn't argue or agree with either side.
Daygo G But has saying has connected one way or another it's true. You're spiritual connected with your family so what's the difference a few century agos
9 000 well duh
Daygo G I was just adding on what you where saying
This video has solidified why I am a Christian!
Yh like that shit makes more sense it’s even more stupid!
my condolences
@@xKamiiii thanks because I’m reborn after death as Jesus said you must be born again. My condolences that you’re living dead
Then you def werent paying attention to the video
Still lost, when the Clear Quran is here.
This exchange was amazing.
Ali argument technique is to distract you by making you define words instead of actually challenging the points.
Exactly this is not an open minded way of debate. Un intellectual sorry. Be open when you debate
200 IQ Comment
1-0 to sara for critical thinking and intelligence. sick of people goin around driving fear into folks to join their religion. it's a war on the human mind. PEACE sara. u went in. we need to fight to keep our minds. "the greatest weopon in the hands of the oppressor is the minds of the oppressed" words of Steve beko
May Allah grant Sa Ra the opportunity to convert to Islam.
One thing that is important to remember is that time is a dimension of the universe
Sa Ra's closing statement 'iam your father"😂😂😂.. Legendary 🤞🏾
when someone debates Sa Ra in the future, can they please focus on HIS beliefs because i have noticed when he gets asked about his beliefs he smoothly wriggles out of it and ends up talking about the muslim beliefs. His beliefs are ridiculous no wonder he doesnt want to talk about them. Br. Hamza did exactly that and managed to make sa ra look really stupid
why does it matter? he's not on Hyde's park prosletyzing his beliefs. there's no dawah or evangelism for his subjective beliefs
Reason over Dogma why does it matter ? It matters a lot because the question was about his belief and his ancestors not on Islam but he changed it to Islam more than his ancestors. You know why? Because he doesn't make sense and has a lack of solid proof
the point is its subjective he's already said his beliefs are personal. he doesn't make the claim that they are "true" to others nor does he care. the islamic stance is very different therefore requires them to prove their outlandish claims. thats the whole point of this debate.
Ali My brother really needs to stop interrupting, learn the ettiquettes of "dawah" .
Agree. He made the discussion difficult to follow through...
salaam brother and sisters at least brother Ali is trying to do dawah unlike a lot of us just not doing our duty "dawah"
Put yourself in that situation. If you were speaking with someone like Sara you would do the same thing. You have to be passive agressive in order to speak your mind or bring out your arguments
we are followers of the best man to walk the earth (prophet Mohammed saw) he wasn't aggressive so the Muslim brothers who are doing dawah for the sake of Allah deserve credit.May Allah the only GOD keep us guided ameen
Saracen / Operation Tawheed - Monotheism and you my brother need to stop judging if u think u can do better stand up and show us wht u can..
can someone tell them the diference between creation and construction/fabrication/assembling....
No one listens to Ali as Ali says “ok listen.”
Ali Dawar Biting His Nails at (48.30) hahahahhahahahha
Sa ra your a legend
Ok…. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one. Guy was literally arguing for arguments sake. Bumping his head on a brick wall. Going no where.
@@Shahzeb1988these two were not on sa ra level he was the only adult in the debate the two Muslims look like clowns 🤡 and acted so immature!!!!!!
He doesn't actually engage with Hijab's arguments.
You did a good job there Sa Ra. And that's the calmest I've seen Ali too. Good debate. I think its just fear. Life for people without religion or the chance it may go away is pure fear. If I don't stay a Catholic....I'm still a man. White. A builder. A husband. A farther. I have so many causes and rights to stand up for defend and a life to lead that's just and happy. Catholicism is a small part of who I am and my role in the short time I'm here is far more than preparing for when I'm not!!! Ultimately we all need to transcend the melevolance that is life and make our mark.....a good memory of yourself held by others after your gone is a start.
It was reasonably polite but Sa Ra was making logical errors left right and centre
This Sara doesn't make sense at all....
Sara huge respect ✊
I'm a Muslim, and I have to give Sa Ra props here. I understand and respect his arguments and the way he handled these two. Mohammad Hijab was rude at times, showing signs of frustration that Sa Ra had him stumped. And Hijab uses his common tactic of using big words to divert away from the point. Not a sincere debator at all.
Who created his ancestors, and in the Quran, it says don't follow your ancestors.
Hijab should of took him on himself. (SaRa smile).
For sure. Admirable arguments and exemplary behavior from him. As a Muslim I find Hijab and his minion there truly detestable. Sa Ra was right when he said they do a disservice to their faith.
@@funkmaster322speaking to ancestors is more like communicating with demons sa ra sounds insane
@@denizislek5304 It sounds like that TO YOU. People have different beliefs and no one has access to the absolute truth.
Objective or subjective 😂😂😂😂😂😂 u got dem on dat1💯
This was so fun to watch haha
a fair effort by sara to show the hypocrisy in religious pretenders.
hes basically replacing God with energy and where he gets his tools from to create the Universe, a Divine Entities intentions is something a human mind can't comprehend, Islam even teaches that 'Allah knows what we don't'.
Allah knows that sperm comes from somewhere in between backbone and ribs and we know now that Allah was wrong
@@aesthetic15912 You're an ex-Muslim?
@@mohamedyusuf5141 why you asking him that for, do you want to kill him for leaving?
@@Haze94LDN Nope. Are you EDL?? I just thought it curious that he commented that with his name.
What is your relationship to God, his son? Servant? Toy? Test? All of the above?
13:00 "we don't need to use our logic". Says it all
Muslims are delusional
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته جزاكم الله خيرا انا لا اعرف الانجليزية اريد الترجمة باللغة العربية من فضلكم
Subhana Allah connect me love you much mother father Salaam alaikum
These brothers gave irrational answers every time to the African brother.
the last point Br Mohammed made is the final nail in the coffin for Sa Ra, his wife's call saved him.
Not really - he just claimed that KCA deductively proves his position, which is false. KCA is layer upon layer of assumption, a bullshit lasagna. The real difference here is that Sa Ra realises his position is a matter of faith and the other two are deluded enough to think theirs is a matter of fact. Oh - and Sa Ra understands where the burden of evidence lies in a debate, the other two don't.
The touching is an intimidating thing. He is Trying to enforce his opinion on sa ra. Not gonna work.
Plus hijab quite likes a bit of the old touchy feely. He's thinking , win win.
Sometimes a person unconsciously touches the other, and this often occurs from white-hearted people. But Sa ra reaction is exaggerated and pity
Energy can neither be created or destroyed
First they said Sara is going to become aggressive .. He didn't.. He then kept touching him and asking him his name to bring on agitation.. Guys a prick
Yea he shouldn't have touched him but for some that is a method of reconciliation. But Sara is a bit crazy for believing he can talk to the dead...
@@01YA36 Every religious ppl are crazy. His crazy isnt bigger than a muslim or Christian crazy.
I forwarded the bits so it was only br. Mohammed debating. Next time I hope its a two way discussion.
For some one to believe in what ever they think to be true is there given right to do so. But making another to believe in the same acceptance is unethical
21:09 Time concept is only applied within the cosmos, if we they already established that the creator is outside the cosmos (which they did) then sara shouldn’t have said god took time to make his decision, he is all knowing and he is eternal, so that implies that he knows that he will creat the universe eternally.
Omg he killed the discusion with the quote, believe is someting you dont know is true, do you believe that you standing here or do you know.
ali dawah you are impatient at times. may Allah grant us patience and guide us to the straight path leading to Jannah ( Al-firdaus )
These two muslim brothers got absolutely SPUN.
“Your krazy is not superior to my Krazy though“ 😆😂🤣😂🤣 I’m dying.. Sa Ra is 🔥🔥🔥.. No one is even listening to Ali as he continues to say listen to me okay 😂🤣😂🤣..
Never laughed so much in my life
great debate, however I think that having two speakers against one speaker hindered the discussion
Everyone is a proof of their ancestors
9 minutes in and Sara is explaining the trinity
This man talks to jinn that he thinks is his ancestors. He admitted to practicing voodoo and he's a kemet. He is into ancient Egypt and beliefs in the hidden knowledge which is basically sorcery and summoning jinn. He's being fooled and hope he finds guidance insallah!
Well that pretty much explains everything, and he also talks about energy and Jinn are made from 'energy' so go figure
Yep i concur, the only way to help Sa Ra is to do an Islamic exorcism. Next time hes in the park get a Qari to start reading Ruqyah on loud speraker. LOL
sa ra needs to learn about jinn's theres plenty of videos about it on youtube. dont go straight in to prove it wheres thre evidence etc just for once follow through with it and play safe if you later on in life or the next life come to learn that it was true they you can atleast say i tried to protect myself . you should live your life like that its wise to be safe if 10 people say dont go down that road because you will get shoot but yet i 10 peeps cant prove it,it would be wise to play safe and avoid it
Jinn is another SUBJECTIVE CONCEPT!
Why are religious people so DENSE?
Sarah Allow it lol u still going on but had to run before Mohammed shamed u and u was lucky that Ali was coming in and out the convo I know u will be avoiding them from now lol lol lol u looked so bad then started cursing I thought you want to benefit the community I know your people and proved them wrong too lol u all a like wannabes sad people
this clown said I believe in myself...
Did you know that the bible the Tankh (The OT) and the NT teaches that you must love yourself first.......before you can love another person?
Go figure....
lol lol lol
Pray for him!!!!!!!!!!!! don't call names only
+Deceived muslims always have to tag team..suckers. this black guy holds his own.
u are dumb like him not tag team it's clear man talking faarrraaaaffff but think his talking sense he use words that he don't even know but still think his smart road rat is a road rat end off
Use Belief when Logic fails: that's the conclusion of this debate
Logic will never lead to existential truth. Other than belief, what will you use?
Im your FADA 😂😂😂