I've been sharing his videos for a long while, I think that gives a ton of reach overall. After all most of my favorite build come from this channel right here.
Is there an argument for Wis Saving Throw proficiency so that you don't kill your party? You lose out on concentration, but gain on making sure you don't kill your party.
@@killcat1971 You defeat the purpose as you need the will save while you are concentrating on spirit guardians while you are up front. A warcaster Is in the thick of it and is only using a defensive concentration ability to protect a party member that is in a bad way. That said, I counter for people a very simple thing. You are a war/forge cleric as a frontliner so why aren't you sitting at 20 AC? Fullplate+shield. Most enemies won't be hitting you very easily and as your levels increase you supplement it with things like ring/cloak of protection (a pretty cheap item all told and you can absolutely stack 2 rings, a cloak, bracers, and a helmet for +5 to ac and +5 to all saves). Too many want to become a damage dealer. Sentinel feat works from both your and your echo's position. Become the moving wall, an unkillable cockroach that will absolutely keep your party in the fight.
I love this build idea. Because the way I play I should really play tanks more but my team also needs a healer so my friend suggested I do grave cleric but this seems like a more fun way to do both objectives
Forge cleric does this but better if you want to be a tank. If you want damage, tempest, light, and of course twilight (though many DMs hate twilight) domains will let you pump out damage while still being pretty damn solid. Tempest actively penalizes the enemy for even targeting you (giving you a free and immediate counterattack that deal lighting or thunder damage, very few enemies have resistance to both of those giving you a guaranteed solid damage against every single attacker). Light lets you bring the pain using radiant damage which is always useful. Twilight is, honestly overpowered to all hell at lower levels and keeps things going smoothly at mid to late.
Currently running War Domain 1/Echo Knight 5/Ancestral Guardian Barb 3. Have to show restraint as the reckless attack/GWM and volume of attacks is devastating. The guardians are great to keep my party safe vs the bbeg.
Agreed, need Barbarian with GWM to make it optimal, especially with an Echo since you can't flank with an Echo. Kind of annoys me when people just throw in GWM on a build and say they boost the damage by a lot and ignore the fact they now have a 30% change to actually land a hit and would do more damage not using GWM unless they had some way of getting advantage all the time.
If you go longtooth shifter , you can go all in on the echo Knight. You will lose damage potential and some flexibility, because you aren't getting spell casting, but you don't have to split your ability scores and you will get more asi's so you can use feats to get spell casting later. But i do like the war priest being put to good use, it tends to get overlooked because we have so many great cleric options. Great video keep up the good work
Keep up the great work Idea a alchemist artificer and college of scribe wizard The flavor a goblin or kobold who use a alchemical super soaker with a magical spell book full of recipes
IMO, although it looks like a good build, both classes need a significant level investment, monks for ki and BH for some of their later features. I think it could work with BH lycan 3/ monk X or maybe with ghost slayer, but it would be a challenge to make it play right and maintain the power of the higher level monk features
@@theomegazed213bloodhunter is wisdom/intelligence optional. I've played both and thought about it hella times but going straight lycan is just better in a lot of ways.
I know this isn't what is done in the video, but I think a dexterity-based sword and board variant of this build would be very good with gloom stalker.
Interception is underrated as a fighting style, for feat heavy armor master or resilience constitution. with HAM and fighter 6 we can have strenght 20 with GWM at level 10, sentinel also work very well with echo
My very first campaign is about to end and it started with a glaive wielding life cleric up to lvl 10. At this point I got a little bored of the build and renounced my gods to become a twilight cleric with the next 3 lvls of eldritch knight, taking shield, find familiar and booming blade among others. Had a great time with it and hope to come back to it in a future campaign some time.
Its a unique build definitely. Tough to say that its as good as basic 2 or 3 lvl Barbarian and 5+ lvl of Echo Knight fighter. Reckless attack through an Echo is pretty hard to beat when paired with GWM and adding rage bonus to dmg plus the defence it gives if they do get past your Echo to you really helps. Though to prevent this, again a classic build option is 3 lvl Barbarian Ancestral Guardian combined with Sentinel. The enemy then has disadvantage to attack your Echo, and if it tries to leave you can stop its movement with your Echo opportunity attack. But Clerics give extra utility with spells so certainly a good alternate build with more to do outside of just combat.
I challenge you to build a paladin. However your one rule is that you can take no paladin levels. You need to recreate using alternate features the following things: - Heavy armor and melee Combat - Lay on Hands - Divine Smite - Some sort of aura like effect - Spellcasting I would love to see what you come up with!
Yo I think I might be able to do this, start with 2 fighter (heavy armor and action surge) and then go 5 hex blade for eldritch smite and spirit shroud. I can’t think of much to do for the lay on hands but you could just take a lvl in war cleric or smthn
Love your content!! I was wondering. If you're a DM, do your players watch these, and do they ever play the builds? A video on how to play with well-built players would be fantastic for you. Authentic boots on the ground knowledge!!!
I think you may be better served going peace cleric rather than war cleric for the non-concentration bless-like feature being more beneficial for GWM in the long run. [Starting as fighter for heavy armor prof and con saves]. You could get unlimited BA attacks from PAM and a great reaction [perhaps going variant human/custom lineage rather than goliath to make this feat chain smoother.] Setting up emboldening bond and spirit guardians is kind of a pain, but they both last 10 minutes, so they could potentially be activated prior to encounters With a glaive and slasher in spirit guardians you can really hamstring their movement.
Swap strength to a minimum 14 dex, allowing you to put less resources in a mad build, take the fighting style of ranger to get shilelagh, and this build works even better. Allows you to multiclass efficiently, makes your primary abilities rely on just wisdom and con, and you can even still use GWM with a greatclub, or a staff/club and shield for a more defensive option. Polearm master later on even gives you a weaker bonus action attack for when you're out of War Cleric charges.
I'm struggling to a great degree to figure out how to make a character sheet based on these guides. I'm very new to DND, and my DM is asking me for a Class Guide PDF for this. But I can barely even find out where these feats come from. Do you happen to have a Class Guide for this multi class build? And or, any resources to point me towards to help me understand more.
Or if you’re using mtg content, then strength domain combines the best parts of a nature cleric dip (Druid cantrip) and a war cleric dip (spell list and guided strike)
Can You do a build That can cast all (46) cantrips in the game? For the rules, You cant use the optional wizard feature That allows you to change your cantrip selection on a long rest. You must have ALL cantrips on Your spell list at the same time. If you are unable to complete it without officially published material, you can use unearthed arcana stuff.
Look for the knowledge cleric build this channel did. It's a kenku with knowledge domain, which means you have proficiency in a lot of skills. If there's a crucial skill check you need to make you can give yourself proficiency with the channel divinity and give yourself advantage with the kenku racial feature. Since it's a roleplay session, skill checks are gonna be more prevalent
If you want to charm people, the Enchantment wizard is cool, not just for spells, but their 2nd level ability lets you completely ensnare someone for as long as you spend your action doing so.
If multiclassing is allowed at your table go with an Eloquence bard/hexblade the bard is excellent for rp and the hexblade gives you some combat options. If multiclassing isn't a thing at your table use a tortle as your race /species for the 17 ac grab magic initiate at lvl 4 to pick up Hex , Eldritch blast and either Minor illusion or Prestidigitation. Go Eloquence bard they are great at rp settings and Minor Illusion and Prestidigitation are great cantrips for rp if you are creative. The Eldritch blast and hex are to sure up the weaknesses of small amounts damage that can plague a bard if not built for it. Hope that helps
psi knight fighter will give you 90% of a jedi. from there, it depends on what you value as a jedi. i like adding some monk in for the classic robes and the crazy jumps and flips
So I have an Echo Knight/Cleric as well. But my team needed more “keep me from dying” support. I went Shadar-Kai Echo Knight with a double-bladed scimitar. Then went two levels into Grave Cleric. This gave me ranged Spare the Dying and Healing Word, both as a bonus action. This way I could have either myself or my echo (or both) constantly in melee but also sacrifice my BA attack in case someone needed quick help.
Im playing this in a current campaign im in 😂 we used rolled stats so ended up with 20 str, 18 con, and 13 wis at the start. I basicly went with the first 5 levels in fighter for that multi attack main action (picked up great weapon master in place of the asi) and plan to go the next 9 lvls into war cleric for the healing spells and holy weapon. If we ended up continuing to lvl 20 as planned than the last 9 is going to hunter ranger for the culling the herd as our dm loves throwing hoards of small things at us 😂
I would think it would be cool to have a zealot barbarian and a war domain cleric multi-class but I don't know how to make it work with rage make it so you cant cast or concentrate on spells
I imagine a Barbarian/Paladin multiclass would work quite well if you have the stats for it, because you can Smite while raging - Smites aren't spells, after all. The only problem is getting the spell slots to make it happen, so probably just go Paladin with a dip in Barbarian.
You can only Unleash Incarnation ONCE per turn. Until you get the actual extra attack feature. The war priest extra attack is not an ACTUAL extra attack and an 'ability' thus cannot be unleashed off of. So at level 4 you would have 3 attacks a round tops. A lot of these "multi-attack" builds are built by people who ignore the rules in the DMG which truly spell out action economy and what things can proc off of what based on the wording used in the description. Unleash Incarnation requires the 'attack action' You have only one of these till level 5 in fighter. So once a round limitation. Same with the war priest's skill as it is a bonus action ability (which you only get one of a round). The wigglers and pushers always like to whine, "It doesn't say that in the description of the ability!" Of course not, because it is laid out plainly in the PHB where it tells you how to play and the rules, as well as goes into more detail in the DMG. If you are allowing these to proc off of other things, that is a homebrew rule and not the skills/rules as written.
If you start as a cleric, then you don't get extra attack at level 5, remember you're an entire level behind your party's power boost. Theory crafting is fine in a vacuum, or starting at a high level, but really crap to play in actual dnd.
Man, im surprised D&D Daily doesnt have 100k yet. Easily deserved. Shoutout for making tons of consistent quality content.
I've been sharing his videos for a long while, I think that gives a ton of reach overall. After all most of my favorite build come from this channel right here.
I think this build really needs to start Fighter. Con save proficiency is absolutely necessary for any frontline caster.
Is there an argument for Wis Saving Throw proficiency so that you don't kill your party? You lose out on concentration, but gain on making sure you don't kill your party.
@@TheKilogram1000 Resilient Wis might be best to get both and boost your Spirit Guardians damage.
@@TheKilogram1000 Protection from Evil works well for this.
@@killcat1971 You defeat the purpose as you need the will save while you are concentrating on spirit guardians while you are up front. A warcaster Is in the thick of it and is only using a defensive concentration ability to protect a party member that is in a bad way.
That said, I counter for people a very simple thing. You are a war/forge cleric as a frontliner so why aren't you sitting at 20 AC? Fullplate+shield. Most enemies won't be hitting you very easily and as your levels increase you supplement it with things like ring/cloak of protection (a pretty cheap item all told and you can absolutely stack 2 rings, a cloak, bracers, and a helmet for +5 to ac and +5 to all saves). Too many want to become a damage dealer. Sentinel feat works from both your and your echo's position. Become the moving wall, an unkillable cockroach that will absolutely keep your party in the fight.
I love this build idea. Because the way I play I should really play tanks more but my team also needs a healer so my friend suggested I do grave cleric but this seems like a more fun way to do both objectives
Forge cleric does this but better if you want to be a tank. If you want damage, tempest, light, and of course twilight (though many DMs hate twilight) domains will let you pump out damage while still being pretty damn solid.
Tempest actively penalizes the enemy for even targeting you (giving you a free and immediate counterattack that deal lighting or thunder damage, very few enemies have resistance to both of those giving you a guaranteed solid damage against every single attacker). Light lets you bring the pain using radiant damage which is always useful.
Twilight is, honestly overpowered to all hell at lower levels and keeps things going smoothly at mid to late.
Currently running War Domain 1/Echo Knight 5/Ancestral Guardian Barb 3.
Have to show restraint as the reckless attack/GWM and volume of attacks is devastating.
The guardians are great to keep my party safe vs the bbeg.
Agreed, need Barbarian with GWM to make it optimal, especially with an Echo since you can't flank with an Echo. Kind of annoys me when people just throw in GWM on a build and say they boost the damage by a lot and ignore the fact they now have a 30% change to actually land a hit and would do more damage not using GWM unless they had some way of getting advantage all the time.
If you go longtooth shifter , you can go all in on the echo Knight. You will lose damage potential and some flexibility, because you aren't getting spell casting, but you don't have to split your ability scores and you will get more asi's so you can use feats to get spell casting later. But i do like the war priest being put to good use, it tends to get overlooked because we have so many great cleric options. Great video keep up the good work
Keep up the great work
Idea a alchemist artificer and college of scribe wizard
The flavor a goblin or kobold who use a alchemical super soaker with a magical spell book full of recipes
Can we get a Blood Hunter Monk build?
Blonk
IMO, although it looks like a good build, both classes need a significant level investment, monks for ki and BH for some of their later features. I think it could work with BH lycan 3/ monk X or maybe with ghost slayer, but it would be a challenge to make it play right and maintain the power of the higher level monk features
Plus Blood hunters are reliant on their own HP, and monks have a d8 for their Hit Dice
@@thesquirteler4520Mood hunter?
@@theomegazed213bloodhunter is wisdom/intelligence optional. I've played both and thought about it hella times but going straight lycan is just better in a lot of ways.
You can't go Gloom Stalker since you dumped Dexterity, unless you have a DM willing to forgive the multiclass requirements
I know this isn't what is done in the video, but I think a dexterity-based sword and board variant of this build would be very good with gloom stalker.
Interception is underrated as a fighting style, for feat heavy armor master or resilience constitution. with HAM and fighter 6 we can have strenght 20 with GWM at level 10, sentinel also work very well with echo
I'd love to see a build that capitalizes on making your enemies frightened!
Check his video about horsemen of apocalypse, one of them is focused on fear
My very first campaign is about to end and it started with a glaive wielding life cleric up to lvl 10. At this point I got a little bored of the build and renounced my gods to become a twilight cleric with the next 3 lvls of eldritch knight, taking shield, find familiar and booming blade among others. Had a great time with it and hope to come back to it in a future campaign some time.
Its a unique build definitely. Tough to say that its as good as basic 2 or 3 lvl Barbarian and 5+ lvl of Echo Knight fighter. Reckless attack through an Echo is pretty hard to beat when paired with GWM and adding rage bonus to dmg plus the defence it gives if they do get past your Echo to you really helps. Though to prevent this, again a classic build option is 3 lvl Barbarian Ancestral Guardian combined with Sentinel. The enemy then has disadvantage to attack your Echo, and if it tries to leave you can stop its movement with your Echo opportunity attack.
But Clerics give extra utility with spells so certainly a good alternate build with more to do outside of just combat.
I think you should do a series where you try to specialise and only use one spell type on a character
I challenge you to build a paladin. However your one rule is that you can take no paladin levels.
You need to recreate using alternate features the following things:
- Heavy armor and melee Combat
- Lay on Hands
- Divine Smite
- Some sort of aura like effect
- Spellcasting
I would love to see what you come up with!
Yo I think I might be able to do this, start with 2 fighter (heavy armor and action surge) and then go 5 hex blade for eldritch smite and spirit shroud. I can’t think of much to do for the lay on hands but you could just take a lvl in war cleric or smthn
@@firehitter9983Aasimar race gives healing hands which gives you a small pool of healing.
Love your content!! I was wondering. If you're a DM, do your players watch these, and do they ever play the builds? A video on how to play with well-built players would be fantastic for you. Authentic boots on the ground knowledge!!!
I think you may be better served going peace cleric rather than war cleric for the non-concentration bless-like feature being more beneficial for GWM in the long run. [Starting as fighter for heavy armor prof and con saves]. You could get unlimited BA attacks from PAM and a great reaction [perhaps going variant human/custom lineage rather than goliath to make this feat chain smoother.] Setting up emboldening bond and spirit guardians is kind of a pain, but they both last 10 minutes, so they could potentially be activated prior to encounters With a glaive and slasher in spirit guardians you can really hamstring their movement.
Swap strength to a minimum 14 dex, allowing you to put less resources in a mad build, take the fighting style of ranger to get shilelagh, and this build works even better. Allows you to multiclass efficiently, makes your primary abilities rely on just wisdom and con, and you can even still use GWM with a greatclub, or a staff/club and shield for a more defensive option. Polearm master later on even gives you a weaker bonus action attack for when you're out of War Cleric charges.
Also allows you to multiclass to ranger without any rule bending.
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I'm struggling to a great degree to figure out how to make a character sheet based on these guides.
I'm very new to DND, and my DM is asking me for a Class Guide PDF for this. But I can barely even find out where these feats come from.
Do you happen to have a Class Guide for this multi class build? And or, any resources to point me towards to help me understand more.
a little challenge idea, make a build around thief rogue.
Could go a Nature Cleric/Echo Knight instead and focus more on shillelagh instead
Or if you’re using mtg content, then strength domain combines the best parts of a nature cleric dip (Druid cantrip) and a war cleric dip (spell list and guided strike)
Can You do a build That can cast all (46) cantrips in the game? For the rules, You cant use the optional wizard feature That allows you to change your cantrip selection on a long rest. You must have ALL cantrips on Your spell list at the same time. If you are unable to complete it without officially published material, you can use unearthed arcana stuff.
I believe nerdarchy did a cantrip master build . I don't remember if the got all of them or not
@@glitchking666 i Dont think they got all the cantrips
I need a good build for a mostly role play session, what do people reccomend?
Look for the knowledge cleric build this channel did. It's a kenku with knowledge domain, which means you have proficiency in a lot of skills. If there's a crucial skill check you need to make you can give yourself proficiency with the channel divinity and give yourself advantage with the kenku racial feature. Since it's a roleplay session, skill checks are gonna be more prevalent
If you want to charm people, the Enchantment wizard is cool, not just for spells, but their 2nd level ability lets you completely ensnare someone for as long as you spend your action doing so.
If multiclassing is allowed at your table go with an Eloquence bard/hexblade the bard is excellent for rp and the hexblade gives you some combat options. If multiclassing isn't a thing at your table use a tortle as your race /species for the 17 ac grab magic initiate at lvl 4 to pick up Hex , Eldritch blast and either Minor illusion or Prestidigitation. Go Eloquence bard they are great at rp settings and Minor Illusion and Prestidigitation are great cantrips for rp if you are creative. The Eldritch blast and hex are to sure up the weaknesses of small amounts damage that can plague a bard if not built for it. Hope that helps
Bard
How would best combine sword fighting and some telekinesis and mind powers to create a jedi?
psi knight fighter will give you 90% of a jedi. from there, it depends on what you value as a jedi. i like adding some monk in for the classic robes and the crazy jumps and flips
Btw do you think a samurai with sharpshooter and elven accuracy would benefit to multyclass into gloomstalker for 3 levels then back to fighter
We did this in a recent build!
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Can you do something with runechild sorcerer and college of tragedy bard?
So I have an Echo Knight/Cleric as well. But my team needed more “keep me from dying” support.
I went Shadar-Kai Echo Knight with a double-bladed scimitar. Then went two levels into Grave Cleric. This gave me ranged Spare the Dying and Healing Word, both as a bonus action. This way I could have either myself or my echo (or both) constantly in melee but also sacrifice my BA attack in case someone needed quick help.
Im playing this in a current campaign im in 😂 we used rolled stats so ended up with 20 str, 18 con, and 13 wis at the start. I basicly went with the first 5 levels in fighter for that multi attack main action (picked up great weapon master in place of the asi) and plan to go the next 9 lvls into war cleric for the healing spells and holy weapon. If we ended up continuing to lvl 20 as planned than the last 9 is going to hunter ranger for the culling the herd as our dm loves throwing hoards of small things at us 😂
It would be very hard to do gloomstalker with this build, especially if you dump dexterity
Good call
I would think it would be cool to have a zealot barbarian and a war domain cleric multi-class but I don't know how to make it work with rage make it so you cant cast or concentrate on spells
I imagine a Barbarian/Paladin multiclass would work quite well if you have the stats for it, because you can Smite while raging - Smites aren't spells, after all. The only problem is getting the spell slots to make it happen, so probably just go Paladin with a dip in Barbarian.
Can you do a Gloom stalker/twilight build?
I would take a level 1 feat lineage for magic intitiate to be SAD with Wisdom via Shillelagh
can't use GWM then but to be honest with his build he'd be better off not taking GWM since he'd miss more often than he'd hit with it.
@@Dave004 mhm, and spirit guardians does plenty of damage
You can only Unleash Incarnation ONCE per turn. Until you get the actual extra attack feature. The war priest extra attack is not an ACTUAL extra attack and an 'ability' thus cannot be unleashed off of. So at level 4 you would have 3 attacks a round tops.
A lot of these "multi-attack" builds are built by people who ignore the rules in the DMG which truly spell out action economy and what things can proc off of what based on the wording used in the description. Unleash Incarnation requires the 'attack action' You have only one of these till level 5 in fighter. So once a round limitation. Same with the war priest's skill as it is a bonus action ability (which you only get one of a round).
The wigglers and pushers always like to whine, "It doesn't say that in the description of the ability!" Of course not, because it is laid out plainly in the PHB where it tells you how to play and the rules, as well as goes into more detail in the DMG. If you are allowing these to proc off of other things, that is a homebrew rule and not the skills/rules as written.
If you start as a cleric, then you don't get extra attack at level 5, remember you're an entire level behind your party's power boost. Theory crafting is fine in a vacuum, or starting at a high level, but really crap to play in actual dnd.
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