Grim Dawn DESTROYS Diablo 4 in every way!
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2023
- Grim Dawn is an ARPG from Crate Entertainment, a small dedicated team that has made a master piece of a game. Diablo 4 on the other hand has a much larger budget, with Blizzard Entertainment behind it. Yet somehow Grim Dawn is a much more rich and interesting game over DIablo 4
Grim Dawn crushes Diablo 4 in just about every possible way from build variety to in game content! This is just another example of a smaller studio showing the AAA scene how it is done!
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How do you guys think Grim Dawn compares to Diablo 4?
In terms of gameplay, depth, lore and conceptual design, GD. D4 is much newer from a AAA studio though so the graphical quality will be superior.
GD is still my favorite arpg ever made though.
If Grim Dawn had the same graphic fidelity as Diablo IV nobody would be playing Diablo IV
@@Arshay I agree that D4 is superior in the graphics department, however unforunately that all it has going for it at least atm. HOpefully it improves over time, at least we have Grim Dawn to play now
@@filthyrando3632 Graphics and name recognition matters the most to some people
@@flexin85 It is a huge part of the draw for mass audiences to be sure. Grim Dawn is leagues better as far as quite literally everything else though.
As someone with 5k hours in Grim Dawn, since Alpha/Beta, EA, Release; Yeah it does but not even targeting D4 itself, it's for me, the best ARPG to date, and is still getting love from Crate.
Crate truely have a love and a passion for their games. The fact that Grim Dawn to this day is getting QoL and balance updates speaks volumes
@@flexin85 Even browsing the DLC and the "support the developers LOYALIST PACK" tongue and cheek cosmetic addons got positive reviews. The surface level low effort battle arena "which is actually good once you try it and learn the way it works, it is actually a nice alternative progression and flavor mixup" Crucible mode has positive reviews. Everything just screams " play me." As someone who jumped aboard late after the kickstarter and didn't even find it till after launch it is kind of ahead of its time. OG D2 "modded with pluggy stash and always active runes" and Grim Dawn sit atop the pinnacle of ARPG games. I doubt anyone will create something of equal weigh in the coming decade, it is a rare passion project that delivers. It delivers so well in fact I quit POE to go back to it because I just couldn't get the live service taste out of my mouth.
Crate are truly silent heroes among the devs.
@@WhatWillYouFind and do not forget...all of it's mechanics work perfectly! From the beginning back then they were fixing things and bugs non stop! That was a thing that amazed me with this game and the company.
It's certainly the best in recent years, I still play Never Winter Nights that came out in 2002, they are both imho the diamonds in the ARPG arena.
So glad I bought Grim Dawn recently instead of Diablo 4 😂 plays flawlessly on Steam Deck too!
Yeah it is such a great game and so cheap too! Plus it is always great to have more games to play on the Deck 😀
Wise decision my friend!
best choice of your life my man
mods are great too
Can you sync the account you are playing in PC and in steam deck? I mean, play the same GD characters.
I've got 700 hours in Grim Dawn and still even haven't beaten any celestial bosses... The game is AMAZING. My best buy ever. Once you start playing it u can't stop, it's just so addictive.. The other great news is that they are actually launching a NEW UPDATE with NEW CONTENT and NEW QUALITY OF LIFE features in the next few months!! So if you have never played that game and like the genre - BELIEVE ME - you will absolute LOVE it!!!!
I am very much looking forward to the new update coming to Grim Dawn, it is amazing that Crate even still updates this game with QoL of life features at all. I 100% agree with you if anyone is a fan of ARPGS Grim Dawn is fully worth checking out!
Yeah. The game is getting better and better all the time. They stopped the expansions and since then they improve anything! And they ask not a single cent. I wish for a third expansion. Ashes of Malmouth is the best expansion ever after immortal throne in Titan quest.
@@flexin85 Just to put it in perspective, Grim Internals was probably the second most popular QoL mod after Rainbow Filter. I say "was", because since about a year seems to be discontinued from the creator and now has compatibility issues. Crate will be integrating serveral QoL features from the mod into the game itself with a free patch. GD is a hidden gem in the genre, mostly because in made by a studio that seems being a hidden gem in the industry...
@@HermesAthina72 I need to go back soon and replay Titan Quest again
@@kollus3234 It is insane the amount of content and QoL features Crate gives Grim Dawn for free, they really do deserve alot more recognition. I guess when you are an independent developer that actually has passion for your projects they deliver amazing titles like GD.
Grim Dawn is hands down one of my favorite playthroughs I've ever experienced. I have to say, the whole story makes you want to sit and listen. The game feels like you are in a book, a really really good book you want to keep going through. This game is a total gem, and will forever be one of the tops of my list for sure.
Oh the lore is truely amazing, I think it is something most people overlook. Simply because most of it is hidden out in the world. The lore notes and the enviroment tell a ton of great stories.
@@flexin85Yes, i'm not the kind of gamer that usually reads the random lore but GD lore is so well written and pulls you in.
Also, the notes you find along the way add a nice touch to the game. For instance the notes of the mad scientist who created the slith (especially the last one, brrr...) and trip south...
Grim Dawn is even better than Path of Exile.
I've said it a hundred times. Grim Dawn is the best arpg ever made, period.
it really is one title that I think is vastly under appreciated. It really does offer something so many other games in the genre lack
Big agree!
I feel the same.
I return to Grim every time I want to play arpg. Dont even play diablo 2 any more. Grim has better lore
@@gordiasz GD lore is really good, just have to take the time to explore and world and read the notes to really get a good grasp on it.
GD is very underrated, I used to play this game so much when I was deployed on my off time. And make it crazier the devs just announced new content coming. For sure worth a buy
I am extremely excited for the new Xpac and patch 1.2 So much great stuff coming to fans of GD.
BTW thank you for your service!
@@dsvoid7514 I am very excited for the new expansion!
"the devs just announced new content coming"
Wait... WAAAAT? Where?
@@messire9837 Patch 1.2 and a new expansion coming next year most likely!
@@flexin85 Yup! getting to learn about it from that 2h reveal video right now.
Also looks like you forgot to mention Grim Dawn 2 confirmed as well.
Ha! What a year for gaming. Let's hope Crate doesn't opte for unity this time though. I'll bet on it, for even Zentai got the time to grow best Grim Beard of sort.
So, Coffee + 2h GD video it is. I'm on it! And thanks for the head's up by the way. I don't know how I'd have done without you, all lost like I am between Jagged Alliance and Baldur's Gate savegames.
I guess I got TWO focused for a while. Let's make it to FREE.
Crate just announced yesterday that Grim Dawn is getting a THIRD expansion. 10th mastery Berserker that has some transformation skills, 2 more rogue-like dungeons, even more class combos, new gear (word is there MIGHT be a relic that has a transformation ability independent of Berserker mastery).
I am very excited about this new expansion! getting a shapshifting mastery that focuses on cold and bleed damage, is oging to be amazing.
Plus even the 1.2 patch coming out soon looks like a great addition as well
Ya, I've never understood the need for "end game" content. Doing the campaign multiple times each character is all I need.
people enjoy games differently to each to own.
I really found my home with Grim Dawn. An aspect that I absolutely adored was pairing one class (mastery) with another to get a considerably unique avenue to create a unique build.
So many viable builds, and the skill and constellation thingy is just complex enough to enjoy experimentation, yet as a family man, I don't need to take a day off work just to research builds and fear wasted effort cause I can't respec my character.
I am really excited for the DLC in 2024, although I wish they'd make a full on sequel.
You should play Titan quest and wait for Titan quest 2
@@archaontheeverchosen539 I'm looking forward to Titan Quest 2 actually. Never played the first, but I'm too addicted right now to maxing out my Grim Dawn characters and organizing my loot.
Got any hint for me? I play a Nightstalker Soldier with dual wielding poison dmg :D@@Siaynoq8
This video should get a double thumbs up!! Diablo 4 is not even in the same realm as Grim Dawn. Grim Dawn is just so much... MORE.. As well as being extremely FUN!
Thank you so much for the feed back! Grim Dawn really is amazing game, it truly is in a league of its own!
And now Grim Dawn is getting the 1.20 update and a third expansion!
Speaking of D2, have you played the Reign of Terror custom campaign yet?
I am very excited for the 1.2 update it looks really good! Plus the new expansion and that new mastery being added looks incredible 😀
And yes I have played the Reign of Terror mod and think it is a complete blast to play
I first discovered this game during the pandemic, the base game was on sale for 5 bucks. I got hooked. Such a great ARPG. Really surprises me that it isnt mentioned more often. Build variety is insane
Grim Dawn is basically an altoholics dream, so many build options to pick from!
Build variety is top tier. Also melee combat, IMO, is the "meatiest" amongst of all arpg's.
@@gromoffinland4990 It really is a dream for anyone that enjoys making alts or theory crafting :)
I have over 800 hours in Grin Dawn and I keep coming back to it. It is often on sale on steam and should be a must try for any fan of the genre. Great video here and a fair comparison and break down,
I am in the same boat, GD is a game that always sucks me back in. It just offers so much content and build variety.
Thank you watching the video and for the kind feedback!
I have 2500 in TL2 WITH Mods 💪
@@markusk3015 Mods really do add so much life to a game
1200 hours now, and a new dlc coming lol, with barb class, soooo 11 more builds? 😂
This was the game that I would spam " just play grim dawn" when the Diablo 3 dumpster fire was still in the public eye.
GD, Torchlight 2 or PoE (Early Access) so many people would advertise other arpgs for people to try because the launch of D3 disappointed so many fans. One thing I will give the D4 developers at least they are not saying stupid stuff like "Deckard Cain was annoying" like the D3 devs did.
@@flexin85 blizzard hasn't respected any of their IP since the SC Remaster " which was moreso Samsung and the fury of Korea would be endless, I think they alone would sink their ship somehow."
D3 disappointed me mostly because I did seasonal stuff on and off. Kanai cube was the best time I ever had because the launch period was so crappy and even with IRL friends I couldn't get over the RMAH. It was nonsense watching that graft.
TL2 with mods is a good experience, but it has weird scaling issues without mods and a none existent end game imo. I actually liked TL3 but it left a sour taste to see the new owners just abandon it. I finished TL3 one time and had a blast, but one time was enough???????
POE has a couple of problems for me. 1, the real end game is just a numbers crunch and while the systems and ability to play with how things activate is nice . . . its just for numbers. Build Identity just didn't feel like it did in D2, Grim Dawn, Victor Vran, or similar ARPGs. POE is also a service, not a product with all those trappings but at least it is old blood fair akin to WF. Build diversity up until the most recent reworks basically amounted to MAJOR KEYSTONES and practically nothing else, the web itself is superficial in giving the opinion of choice but really it is just fluff with some major fillers throughout much like FF10 had with its own grid system. The new update however changes all of that with on the fly gear swapping so maybe I will check it out again because that fundamentally alters the implication of the grid. I still play D2 and Grim Dawn, I have little deserve for Live Service after a decade of rug pulls and cash grabs. I've been following POE for years and years, as a service it is probably the best in the bunch. I never really played meta builds, but I also just wasn't invested enough after the campaign to buy stash tabs or pursue anymore which is the opposite I felt with GD because of the IDENTITY classes and even individual item sets put forward?
The D4 developers fireside chat with the most recent patch notes was full of gaslighting. How can a developer say we changed those systems to make things better when they actually do the opposite? DM Diablo 4 has done content videos on it, hes actually fairly level headed about it. His take though mirrors the sentiments of the backlash, it is just a bad patch and the develops really sounded like they have no clue what they're doing in the developer patch notes video. D4 will implode if it doesn't do a 180 before Poe2 drops and or people just explore the older catalog. Sadly, Kotik will still be paid for this mess he likely created dragging everything we've loved from the husk of Blizzard in the mud. I haven't played a Blizzard game since I launched SC Remaster and thankfully saw it was as advertised. The writing is on the wall with all these greedy corporations and so many indie games deserve my time and money.
Hey if you like awesome indie games check out Starsector for a scifi space combat simulator or Melvor if you're wanting a traditional rpg wrapped around an idle shell. both are pretty stellar.
I said for years that "Play Grim Dawn, it's the game that Diablo 3 should have been"
For me, Grim Dawn is just better game than others, its made for replayability, the progression is rewarding and the steps are noticeable. For example, D4 is ok, but i don't feel like replaying it or messing with build (or paragon board). Any game is fun when you play it first time, and very few games you can replay many many times and have fun. For me its Grim Dawn and D2R.
Take away the hype and the name recognition and it is really no contest between GD and D4 or even D3.
I played Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 to the bone.
Grim Dawn makes me feel even better.
Love it.
GD feels like a love letter to fans of the genre.
Last Epoch is great too.@@flexin85
If D3 and D4 were as good as D2 then no one would care for these clones. They are lucky Blizzard is constantly messing up.
Same but grim dawn is too cartoony to really enjoy. Looks like d3 at release 😒
@@ZyklonBeast12 not going to lie you are the first person, I have seen refer to GD as cartoony.
not saying you are wrong, just think that is an interesting take
There's something fun about the item cards actually tweening to follow the location of a item on the ground. I've always loved that about Grim Dawn.
Grim Dawn just has a ton of little things that actually feel really great :)
Grim Dawn also had a D2 mod that was a whole hell of a lot of fun to play.
Reign of Terror! such an amazing mod 😀
Grim Dawn is probably the best A R P G ever created.
It really is something special!
Noi it isnt. Its reign of Terror :)
@@velorianlycine2800 LOVE that mod, I have playtime in Reign of terror then i do in a lot of recent AAA releases lol
I'm diablo fun. Play d2 for 16 years. I play grim dawn from Day 1 till now. It's the best game in genre after d2.
I grew up playing D1 and D2 both timeless classics IMO. Have you tried the Reign of Terror mod, if not I would recommend checking it out since your a fan of D2 and Grim Dawn.
@@flexin85 I watched some videos on RUclips. It's a good mod. I don't know how old you are but I'm 51 now. I prefer to play the games as they are these days. They zoomed out the camera again in GD which is awesome. I can see all my aoe now. I purchased d4 because I'm diablo fan and i quit it. Nothing compares to my pet build that i play now in GD. So much fun!
@@HermesAthina72 I like to play the game the first time as intended at least, and enjoy the modding scene afterwards. However some mods add so much QoL to the game, for instance if D4 supported mods officially and there was one to pull the camera out I would definately use that feature.
I think you forgot to mention how end-game items work in GD. There are hundreds of epics,rares,sets and monster infrequents that you can loot, look at the skill bonuses they have and think "Hmm this class combination with this item might actually be good." and then spend hours in GD database theorycrafting based on that item alone.
The theory crafting is insane in GD, the game offers so much. One could spend hours upon hours discussing how deep the game goes.
GD databases and grimcalc are the true endgame XD
Also you can sub-specialize within each breed of sub-class and stack effects between classes for those specializations, special-attachment builds, celestial devotions, etc... and even recently with updates, I keep finding new secret areas which I haven't even found in online guides (so obviously they're new, added with updates).
And Fangs of Asterkarn with Berserker/Shapeshifter class are coming soon. I can't wait!
Side note: I'd be cool if they added illusions for other hair styles for when you want to look like you're not wearing your head-gear. I guess it complicates things a bit with mesh overlaps.
Almost every time I replay the game I find a new secret. It is amazing how much content is packed into this game.
I do agree it would be cool to get different hairstyles and have a tad bit more character customization. Hopefuly this is something in Grim Dawn 2.
is it too late to start playing this game?
I wouldnt say so, its mainly a single player game. So always a good time to start.
@@flexin85 diablo 4 left a bitter taste in my mouth so I was looking for something old school.. I started playing grim dawn 2 days ago and I immediately liked the game so I bought all the dlc
@@Freedom-kl8rt nice! The DLC really adds so much content, you will get 100s of hours of play time out of this one.
Hopefully D4 gets bettter in the future, in the mean time enjoy Grim Dawn :)
Never is late for GD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes!😊
You control the market, dont buy d4. Do not buy games released by trash money milking companies and people. Only you can make the future games better by putting your money only in good games and developers
I 100% agree with you, if people did not buy these games and stopped supporting battle passes the companies would stop making them.
Poe2 ist better as D4😁
@@markusk3015 PoE 2 looks amazing! I am really excited to play that game
I wish GD got the love it deserves. Such a good game with awesome developers, tons of content and build variety.
Also mods, mods and mods.
Mods add so much life to games, whenever a company does not support mods I think it is such a mistake and really does kill the life span of most games.
@@flexin85 my exact thoughts. Any game without mods looses so many opportunities to become better. Especially when devs work together with mod makers and implementing the most popular mods into core game... 🧑🍳🤌🤌
@@flexin85 Reading all this stuff, i wish i could have the chance to shout out loud to all gamers of the world "try GRIM DAWN!". Hehe 😆
@@HermesAthina72 right! Honestly it is getting harder and harder to find games like this that I just want to recommend to people.
Dawn of masteries mod
My first ARPG since Diablo 2. I played Demolitionist up to the Krieg Boss without noticing i had to assign my Skills to the Mouse buttons / Hotbar. So i played without them. And it still was fun!
I also love the mods for Grim Dawn. I only use the quick level up one and the loot one.
Cause after playing hundreds of hours, it's nice to just be able to level up and get rare loot faster so I can have fun experimenting with a new build.
I also love the illusion system in the game that lets you make your gear look like other gear.
I love grim dawn
A man with exquiste taste in games. Cheers 😀
Grim Dawn actually looks pretty good to me. Even on Series X at 1080p 120, it has a timeless aesthetic and runs nearly flawless. If they ever patch it to run at native 4K with a proper implementation of HDR, then I can see it being easy on the eyes for another decade. Hell, Titan Quest still looks sharp imo. Iron Lore Engine ftw.
I have not played the Xbox verison of Grim Dawn yet, but maybe it will be something I pick up on the future.
I do agree the game looks really nice, and Titan Quest still looking amazing today. It is such a beautiful game.
@@flexin85 It's outstanding tbh. Mouse & keyboard support and the best controller translation I've ever seen for what's basically a 1-to-1, raw PC port.
It doesn't need all those things, Crate is working on a new engine for Grim Dawn 2, and that game will probably look on par with other more modern visually ARPGs like D4 or PoE 2.
@@DoctorStrange01 I am really excited to see Crates new engine and GD2 when it is finally announced and shown off.
@@flexin85 Same. Imagine Grim Dawn but improved in every aspect and with a modern engine. That'll be a nearly perfect ARPG, all i really wanted in GD, despite not being a visual gamer, is updated engine and some more content in it. We will 100% get it in GD 2. Can't wait for the first glimpses of in-game footage and i hope it will not be a few years until then. It's great that Farthest Frontier already sold a decent amount of copies even in early access though, it will surely help.
Grim Dawn did it right, they took a working formula that was already good and built upon it. They took Titan Quest, gave it a new coat of paint, and polished it up.
I backed GD in its very early Early Access days. Never regretted that one for a second.
I do not understand why Blizzard did not just built upon what was already working. They had a ton of examples of what works and does not work in the genre.
I'm glad you found Grim Dawn The New DLC Coming Soon! Grim Dawn is the most underrated Awesome game ever made. People who play this game became super fans and we made this a cult classic. im a Day 1 player im super geeked for the DLC I thought they would be working part 2 but heck ill take a DLC.
The new patch and expansion are looking great, can not wait to try out all the changes coming to the game. Plus a new mastery as well!
As for a GD 2 I know Crate said they are working on a new engine, and that Grim Dawn 2 would be developed (if they decide to make it) on the new engine.
i picked up this game for cheap on xbox after getting boring with D4 and I am really happy I did. What a great game.
Yeah it’s crazy how many people are trying other ARPGs because of boring D4 is.
I stopped playing Diablo 4 not to long after I beat it. I keep returning to Grim Dawn.
Patch 1.2 just dropped making the game even better too
@@flexin85 Nice, Think I ll start a new character. Thanks for the info friend.
don't forget ... Grim Dawn is less than half the price of Diablo 4 which went for the 2022/3 standard of a $70 box price. A N D grim dawn has no microtransactions, only DLC
Grimm Dawn is my fav hack&slash. Last year's I played mostly online games like WoT, Fortnite, BF1 but 2023 become arpg year for me. I bought Diablo 3 +2 and played 3 for few weeks (including my 1st time ever hardcore characters - d3 campaign completed). Then I played shortly very innovative Inquisitor Martyr, now came back do D2 after 15 or so years. I got in mind to check after years PoE. But anyway Grim Dawn is my all time fav mostly because of the story and depressive grimm atmosphere, I especially
I agree the other games can be really fun, I do enjoy league start for PoE. It is always fun for about a month or so. Warhammer Inquisitor Martyr is another game I feel like is overlooked, as it can be fun blasting away hordes of enemies with a shotgun or flame thrower.
However Grim Dawn just has so much content packed into it. Like you said the bosses, the world and the lore just feel amazing. Plus while it is deep in its mechanics, its presented in a way you dont need 10 tabs opened on the side like you do for PoE. GD is just something special 😀
Thank you for making this video. Not many can nail down the intricities and why exactly Grim Dawn is the best ARPG out there
Thank you for watching!
thank you for spreading the word about this game. i think most ppl pass it up because they are more focused on the multiplayer and feel that grim dawns is "dead"
to be honest i dont play multiplayer so i dont know about it
Absolutly I love GD and the more people that get to try it out the better. As for the MP I am sure a ton of people over look it because it lacks dedicated servers. However, not every game needs to be an online over title.
Grim Dawn's mechanic and dev team with Diablo IV graphics and esthetics would make for an aRPG of historical proportion
That would be incredible!
Grim Dawn is the best ARPG, bar none, hands down.
Love grim dawn, and the way I challenge myself is, build a character that doesn't exist in build calc, at least there's some major variation to the nearest one, and complete SR75-76 on hardcore, that's when I consider my character "fully matured". It's very fun to play. D4 is no contest.....
The build options in GD seem endless it really lets people make extremely unique or whacky characters. D4 just simply needed more time in the Oven, it was definately rushed out...
@@flexin85 Really now, Grim dawn supports all the types of DMG so wonderfully! It's amazing! Aoe, pets, dots, everything! YOU GO NOWHERE WITHOUT RESISTANCES and this is one of the best things in the game!
@@flexin85 Who wants to pay a premium price for an unfinished game...?
Sure their campaign is very nice but that's about it.
@@JohnSmith-rr8hp that is the problem with most AAA releases these days they are unfinished, broken, or just overly filled with monetization.
@@flexin85Totally, and the way to fight back for us consumers is that, we need to reject those and stop buying those games... It's sad to see Blizzard ruining my childhood brands one by one.
I play 350 hr grim dawn and 2000hr path of exile still lot it fun
PoE is another great Arpg, looking forward to the Trail of the Ancestors league?
So, the fact this game is getting another expansion kind of blows me away, considering just how old and big the game is already. It's on par with Titan Quest (which is even older) and is the spiritual successor to it. It's a truly great amount of good ARPG game for an extremely attractive price point, especially compared to D4's own.
It is amazing we are getting a new Grim Dawn expansion and a Titan Quest 2. Great time to be a fan of the ARPG genre!
Grim Dawn is an absolute underated game and has much more to offer at this time than Diabolo IV. The release of DIV in this stage is kind of a slap in the face of all the Diabolo fans!
People pick up Grim Dawn it is very cheap and it has a lot to offer - some can play hundreds of hours - and actually get forced and have fun!
Grim Dawn really is a masterpiece, one of the best Arpgs on the market!
I really wish more people would give this amazing game a chance.
Excellent review, this game deserves more recognition as it still holds to this day.
it really does, I love to go back to Grim Dawn and get resucked into the game.
Such a good game, I love the dual class of this and titan quest
The dual class system just opens the door for so many great builds.
I love Titan Quest as well, two amazing titles.
Almost 6k hours on it and 60+ chars still playing it.
1.2 update make it even better and the incoming new expansion will bury blizztrash even more
I love the changes in 1.2, everytime I put Grim Dawn down something comes out to pull me back in!
I played Grim Dawn a lot in the past but I think I need to follow a build so that I can learn how to optimize things. I did that recently with Path of Exile and it helped a lot. Any recommendations on an awesome character to play? Like and Subbed!
Honestly following a build guide really helped me enjoy PoE alot as well!
As for Grim Dawn I would check out grimtools.com there is a ton of build guides on the website. You can even search by class, however the cool thing about GD is you can respec really at at any time for not much Iron. The only thing you can not change is the masterys you pick.
I can recommend looking up some of the theory crafting pages. It really really helps to understand how the damage calculation formulas work and which factors are considered before others, etc.
One thing that isn't explained well in game is the difference between +dmg and +%dmg. Flat damage will only increase your auto attacks or spells that use auto attack dmg as a base. Percentage increases increase all damage of the type. So any caster skills and spells will usually not benefit from any +dmg on your weapons for example. It took me waaay too long to understand and incorporate this. The other unexplained things are how physical & pierce damage work, how shield or armor damage reduction works, etc. Some of it works as expected, other things just not quite so. But it is all out there.
I have 1300+ hours in Grim Dawn, diablo 'bobby kottick give me money for crap copy paste game '' 4 - ZERO hours :D
I agree, except its like Blizzard copied all the mistakes Diablo 3 and WoW made and just put them into D4. LIke did they not learn from those already?
Grim Dawn on the other hand just feels all around amazing. So many build options with the content to enjoy playing your characters with.
@@flexin85 no question there, I have a lot of hours in d3, when I saw d4 all saw is the copy paste content without the QOL elements, how do you make next game without previous game fixes?
@@aoetje474 I have no idea, the game is a complete mess. The fact that people are excited for season 2 because Resistance should be fixed by then. Or haveing to wait for season 3 for the leaderboard.
Shows this game needed another year at least in the oven.
@@flexin85 if you follow/ed other actizzard bobby kotick games, thats exactly what happens, it takes them 5-10 years to get them to playable/enojoyable/finished state :) failed developer
@@aoetje474 Couldnt agree more, D4 will fill complete after the first expansion comes out. Once fans pay another 50-70 dollars for it
Grim Dawn is amazing! It's so creative and the the build potential is endless. The action is good enough and the visual feast of effects is amazing as your build starts to go online. Its deeper than D4 but not overwhelming like POE.
Actually, as I grew bored of D4 i reinstalled Grim Dawn and had more fun than playing D4. It doesnt have the same peak heights as some parts of D4's campaign, but its general quality in the long run is superior.
Yeah I love the itemization and theory crafting in Grim Dawn. It is what keeps me coming back time and time again. It really is something special.
Grimdawn + Dlc price is almost equal to Diablo 4 price, but grimdawn can be played offline and without MTX
This is actually crazy that we got to the point where people say that it's unfair to compare the game from 2016 and now as if the game released in 2016 has some sort of advantage. This is probably the most insane argument ever. Not only you get superior tools on which you can develop these games, but you can also use these games as EXAMPLES. It just goes to show how shit D4 really is.
It feels as if Diablo 4 was made in a vacuum where no other ARPG existed. Plus the fact that with Blizzards resources there is no excuse to put out a game that is being compared to a 2016 from an indie studio in the first place.
If D4 is having trouble going against Grim Dawn or POE how is it going to handle when Grim Dawn 2 or POE 2 finally come out?
I've been trying to tell everyone as well to play grim dawn 😁😜 game is AMAZING, I'm doing another playthrough ATM with a necromancer.
And they're coming out with a big update soon with changes , I can't wait!!
Good video btw man!
I am very excited about the new update coming, plus whatever the future brings to Grim Dawn or from Crate.
Thank you for the feedback btw I really do appreciate it!
Grim dawn is a million years ahead of d4.
fun fact, there is a dlc coming out, with a barbarian class! Which means you can play a barb, but also combine it with 9, 10 other classes!
Fangs of Asterkarn looks amazing, cannot wait to play the Berserker mastery! It is good to see shape shifting heading towards Grim Dawn!
@@flexin85 ohhh that sounds fun, haven't seen Anything yet. any idea on the date?
@@CyberBeep_kenshi I believe there is not exact date yet just that it is supposed to be sometime in 2024.
The best game of all time in the arpg games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it truely is, and we even got more updates coming soon to it!
I got a Diablo itch a couple weeks back. But I thought D4 was too expensive. And the whole seasonal model with battlepass and in game store is really offputting to me with limited game time. But then I suddenly spotted Grim Dawn Definitive edition on sale for about 10£. I had somehow missed this game completely, but I bought it. So glad I did, it is really good. And so versatile with its classes and skills.
good call! BTW if you got the game on PC and still have that Diablo itch. There is mod called Reign of Terror, where someone completely remade Diablo 1 and 2 in Grim Dawn.
The best thing about Diablo 4 release, is the discovery of new arpg's .
I have been hearing that alot
It doesn't help that the footage shows 30 fps.
GD my favorite ARPG.
It definately is a top favorite of mine as well, I can not want to see what is next for this game.
Diablo 4 sux because it wasn't meant to be a GOOD game but to keep getting money while tricking people. Even the main campaign is boring after the intro and ending. The season 1 storyline was short and lame as well.
D4 is playing catch up at this point, the first season was really barebones. Hopefully future seasons add a ton more but until I actually see it happen I am not holding my breathe.
IMO it is sad because Blizzard games used to be the gold standard and now they all feel so unfinished at release.
@@flexin85 well, maybe but it's laughable this is the best they could do compared to older games. Time Will tell
@@deez3913 I agree, the game is in an awful state. It really feels like the game is in beta, lacking so many basic features.
The fact that a "search" function for the stash is a bullet point for season 2, really shows the poor condition the game launched in.
Grim Dawns game engine is amazing it even has semi destructible enviroments.
Yeah can not wait to see what they do with the new engine they are building
Grim Dawn and Titan Quest are the only ARPGs in which I have finished every difficulty, one after the other, and actually ended up with loot compared to some of the bests builds made by other peoples, something I have never done in other ARPGs. This speaks volume of the games quality, and that they scratch that little itch to just go on, one more level
they offer something other ARPGs just do not, I love the setting and the dual class system in each of these games. Cannot wait to see they they do next with GD and TQ2
I like Grim Dawn more than POE, but honestly the moment to moment gameplay of D4 is still super engaging and I find myself having more fun during levels 1 - 50 in D4.
Part of it is probably the setting, part of it is the history behind the franchise, and a big part of it is the modern game blizzard polish that makes combat just feel good.
The campaign in D4 was not bad but afterwards the game just falls flat IMO. I will say the lore and history of the game is amazing however that is mainly due to my love of D1/D2
Grim Dawn feels like a fresh start in a series that I hope grows even larger. Esp with Crate building a new engine for Grim Dawn 2.
D4 is fun for a campaign playthrough (levels 1-50) and the expansion campaigns will probably be fun too. But that's all it has going for it. There's no endgame to love, and the seasons are garbage. Who tf wants to spend the first 10-20 hours of the game clicking statues and unveiling the world map to get renown to just get skill points, paragons, and health pot slots EVERY season? Blizzard, if you're willing to put in a campaign skip, why not just go all the way and skip the renown grind too lmfao. It all feels like a massive chore. Like taking out the trash, doing dishes, or making your bed before you get to have fun. Meanwhile, compare it to GD, Titan Quest, D2, and even PoE. I jump right in, I kill mobs, I get gear and get to have fun. No clicking statues or walking around uncovering the map for 10 hours every season start. I jump in and kill mobs, and get gear to get stronger and kill mobs faster...you know, the point of games in this genre (which D4 somehow misses even though Diablo invented the genre lol)
Probably won't ever play d4, but recently downloaded grim dawn and it's been fun. Got a purifier and a spellbinder I'm still leveling and going through the storyline
I am glad you’re enjoying the game, it really is an amazing title.
I started playing this game a month ago. Already 200 hrs on a warder primal strike build. Ive played damn near every arpg since the esrly 2000s, this is THE one. Hate that it was out for years before i ever tried it all that time wasted in subpar games.
I dismiss GD at first, just because i thought it looked like other diablo clone, but every time i watch gameplay, it looked more fun and fun, finally, idecide to give it a chance... my only regret, was not getting it earlier
Grim dawn- what D3 should've been. Necro+ arcanist is my favorite. The true spiritual succsesor of D2
Grim Dawn and PoE both feel more like what Diablo 3/4 should have been. Such amazing titles
@@flexin85playing as a witch doctor in d3 got me bored really quick on launch
lets count how many times you say "grim daawn"
I actually rewatched the video and I say it over a dozen times.
Imagine if it was a drinking game lol
gotta add that extra flare at the end😆
@@dantefromdevilmaycry9857 Always gotta go out with a bang!
Grim Dawn is one of those games with SO much variety (mostly achieved through builds and gearing), that I have played it for years, and always go back to it. It's an all-timer for me, up there with Warlords Battlecry and Total War: Warhammer.
I am not going to lie... you seem to have great taste in games.
@@flexin85 haha, thanks my guy! Been a gamer since I was 3, the all-timers stand out because I still return to them no matter what else comes out. Once that shiny new wears off, you miss that depth.
The fact that Grim Dawn is basically getting free advertising and a bit of a mini resurgence now from D4 being so bad is hilarious to me
Pretty much the same for Last Epoch, seems D4 is basically an ad campaign for smaller studios.
i have always said that GD is the best arpg of them all. i play d4 right now only cause i need to play new game but GD is unbeaten. we want a GD2 plz !
I would love a grim dawn 2! How insane would it be if we get GD2 and a Titan quest 2 around the same time?
Great game with perfect atmosphere! I loved playing it.
It really does have an amazing vibe and lore to it.
The only thing I don't personally like grim dawn are some of the themes and lore notes, because it feels like the characters in the world are writing them for something like social media or a blog, and it comes off as a bit forced at least to me.
Everything else is mostly top notch and fun though.
I have clocked over 5,000 hours in Grim Dawn. Just an amazing game.
I did not bother with Diablo IV and at this point I am glad that I didn't
Yeah atm D4 is just not worth it, the game does not feel like a complete game.
Nice 5k hours, that is some good milage out of a game!
@@flexin85 And an expansion is coming. 7K hours... here we go :)
@@immortalis1001 The new expansion look amazing, can not wait to try the new mastery!
Great game
It really is, coming from a smaller studio it is insane the amount of content and updates it gets to this day.
@@flexin85 I agree - I've only been playing for roughly a couple of weeks and I've already sunk over 70 hours into the game, and still am excited to play it. Superb game design from top to bottom
@@mrskinszszs it is a game I constantly come back to, just so many options different builds and different content to do ingame.
Plus with all the mod support is insane, just an overall fun experience.
is it too late to start playing this game?
@@Freedom-kl8rt not at all. I started a month ago
I have Grim Dawn and play in it almost 2 years. That game become my favourite ever. Most than Half-Life 2, Medal of Honor, any of Wolfenstein series, Dishonored, and even Diablo. I play in it 4th time and still have great fun :-)
I always come back to GD it is just so much fun to play and try new builds.
BTW you have amazing taste in games!
"It just need more time in the oven" meanwhile, the more it's given time to be in the oven, it's really starting to get burned by all the horrible changes. That's why I don't have hope about D4's future.
The developers did ask for an extra year of development time on the game. However I agree it is really starting to feel like no matter how much time Blizzard devs are given they just can not nail it.
Mark my words, everything that Diablo 4 is missing was designed that way for the purpose of future monetization.
It even has a fantastic story as a cherry on top.
Grim Dawn also has mods, and for Diablo Lovers - Reign of Terror is amazing. It is a complete remake of diablo 2. It is equally fun, if not more fun, than diablo 2 resurrected, because you get the dual class option, and mixing 2 of diablo's classes is obviously extremely fun. There is also another amazing mod called Dawn of Masteries. If you are someone who is all about making crazy builds, or you have "Alt-itis" like me, and always wanna try some new kinda class, Dawn of Masteries is it. It takes the character classes, and gearsets, from Grim Dawn, Titan Quest (another ARPG made by the same people who made Grim Dawn), Diablo 2, Diablo 3, and 2 other highly popular Grim Dawn Mods... Base Grim Dawn has 9 classes you can mix and match - Dawn of Masteries has 55! different classes to mix and match, the build options are truly limitless. There are Transmuters you can use as well, that change elemental damage types. For instance, you can convert all ice damage to fire, so are you a blizzard user? well now you're a fire blizzard user. you can even convert elemental to physical. No lie there are thousands of build options. Sorry for the novel but, anyone who is new to grim dawn NEEDS to try these mods, they are far superior to the base game. and the base game is already very good.
and now as of today they announced a 3rd expansion, after saying they were done with content updates in 2020. Just because they said they got an "itch". Been playing since 2015 and I am so happy its getting the attention it has always deserved.
I am really excited to see a new expansion coming. Can not wait to see how shapeshifting works in this game!
Have not played D4 but have about 8K hours in GD. The replayability is everything. So many ways to play. I've played more hardcore than regular, for an extra challenge. You can choose any class and by about level 20 - 25 you should find some great monster infrequent items to really augment and improve your skillset or cause you to change what skills you use.
id play more if it had a 4k screen resolution patch for xbox, 1080p is rough as on that platform.
it does need an Xbox Series S/X update
The problem with Diablo 4 is that there is no Paladin or Warrior class. Barbarian is ok, but personally I want to use knight with heavy armor with a sword and shield
They really do need some more classes in the game. Would love to see a Warrior class return like from Diablo 1.
What we really need to talk about is the lack of GrimDawn 2... after 10 years.
From my understanding Crate is building a new engine to developer Grim Dawn 2 on! So hopefully it turns out as good as the first game.
My only complaint about Grim Dawn is that there's not enough music in the game, because what's there is amazing.
it really does have an amazing sound track.
IMO the devs did everything right in Grim Dawn, and I've never been able to say that about any game yet I`ve played.
Crate are amazing devs, really wish more would follow their example.
500 hours in Grim Dawn, 400 hours in Last Epoch and 50 hours in Diablo 4 should tell enough.
grim dawn is deffo more fun if you have no friends.
Good job with the video, very informative.
Thank you, I really do appreciate you taking the time to watch it!
Screw these AAA companies, really I am done with their microtransactions, battlespasses and unfinished games.
I agree! Very few AAA games or companies even excite me anymore.
@@flexin85 same here
I wouldn't call myself an ARPG player and even to me Grim Dawn was a great game. My only criticism is that I'd prefer it had a much longer storyline taking a player to the max level. I was never a fan of that whole novice-intermediate-veteran "do it all over again, but harder" mechanic that most arpgs are fond of.
Don't buy Grim Dawn because D4 has more issues than the New York Times...
buy Grim Dawn because it's an awesome game.
The ARPG fundamentals are there... skills, loot, stats, and a wide variety of monsters to use them on. Add in a deep story, interesting side systems, and the best pacing in an ARPG, and you have a game you will be playing for years.
grim dawn also has a fascinating backstory you explore via letters/audiologs. chapter 1 is amazing
I agree 100% the lore and backstory are incredible, esp for a brand new IP. It is insane how much story is packed into this game, if you take the time to really dive into the games story it is amazing.
I liked the dialogue choices. Still remembered being upset, not being able to stop the man from burning his family to death on my first playthrough...
It's not Forsaken Gods, it's Forgotten Gods...
Thank you for the correction.
how your clicks pulse
Thank you
Grim dawn is amazing but the combat and sound effects just aren't enough for me.
there is no point giving all the things you want when they can sell it to you later as DLCs.
Design a problem and sale the solution it is the way of many gaming developers these days.