The mini HDMI decision is mystifying to me - who dual-monitors with a Pi, and why? Also, I would've liked to have seen more RAM than the same amount we had pre-pandemic. That said, I'll be picking on of these up, eventually.
To be honest I probably should have just went with $100 mini PC or really I should have just went with the Zima blade. But I know the pi has a really great community around it.
It was a very rough test, I wouldn't give up hope as I expect bugfixes and updates to be ready for when the pre-orders are sent. At minimum, the pi will perform just as fast as 4 - with all the benefits of having a faster clock and potentially better boot drive (m.2 PCIE)
How can i make smart plug turn on and off by web page (excel type) values? I want my heatpump to switch from 2 power sources via smart plug + automatic switch (made for generator backup). There is web page that show price per kw any given hour for 24h period. I want heat pump to switch to power source that has constant cost per kw when grid price goes more than 0.13$/kw. Maybe make my android phone look at values on web page and then connect to smart plug and set up timers? Like once every night be good. But how to do something like that?😅
They are already made. My take on this is that the logistics of the first batch is being resolved and shops will start fulfilling preorders within a week or so
You are paying for a well supported board. Not just hardware. For most projects even zero 2 is more than enough in terms of hardware at a great price point.
For what use case? Easy to make a statement like that but not quantify it with any detail. Power budget? Robotics? Desktop computer? Home web/nas/pihole server? Emulator?
@@notenoughtech , the fact is that Raspbery Pi is no longer a platform for hobbyists as too many enterprises have jumped on the boat causing the permanent shortages resulted in stellar prices. Moreover the development of Raspberry Pi is not going anywhere as they've never added native PCI-E SATA interface to their boards making them useless for data storage application. So it looks like the release of the V5 is made just due to the component obsolescence the previous Pis were made of.
PREORDER NOW! then we see how much we build. kinda silly. bcoz we not need rpi5 that usae more power and get hot and do same thing as rpi4. where i get cheap low power RPI2 i need MANY lol its silly they try sell 4GB first then 8GB then 2GB with 35buck. i dont think 16GB come YET. like i said i need lotsa low power RPI for project. RPI3-5 not those. but 2 camera connector is interesting i wait what peepol get from them. can they use same time and get 3d object tracking or poor mans bedroom 120angle 3d pov cam LOL
Between Zero2 and RPI42GB there is enough in budget lineup to please most of makers. raspberry pi 5 is a high end product in their line. It's more than most of single projects will require. Not once I maxed out raspberry pi 4 in my projects. We all strive to have better bang for your money but with the ramped up production of pi4 .. we are finally having good availability of these Vs new boards The pre order was less expected if I'm honest but judging they are able to produce rpi4 to fill the demand... going blind into rpi5 and more expensive models may not be a good business decision
So, still no native support for booting off of SSD without a bunch of tricks instead of having to use the crappy MicroSD cards that fail all the time? The single biggest gripe I have heard about Rpi since day one was the reliance on those SD cards which have a terrible track record, and here we are at gen 5 and that still has not been addressed.
You can do this already (with a Pi4) - no tricks required. You can even boot and install over the internet straight to an SSD drive connected to USB3 or MicroSD which is now twice as fast (or even using the new PCI express for storage) by plugging in an ethernet cable which will boot straight to Pi Imager. On Pi4 it cannot connect with WIFI (not enough room in EPROM) but it may now be possible that this has been overcome in the Pi 5 - so you would just power on and if no bootable device is connected (MicroSD or SSD) you can install over the internet and now with PCI you'll be able to install to storage that way too.
I have been natively booting from SSD on Pi 4 for three years? No tricks required. My Pi has not had a microSD card plugged in at all in all that time. The Pi 5 will also natively boot from SSD. You seem to be complaining about a non-issue.
I should have clarified better what I meant. I meant a native connector for SSD directly on the Pi without having to use Hats or USB to attache the SSD.
@@cmh31909 ok, yeah, I get that. The Pi5 isn't perfect, for sure. the PCIe will now allow for M2 hard drives. I think keeping the flimsy mini HDMI ports was a poor move but I guess it is a space saver and ditching the audio jack now means ppl will need a USB adapter to allow that. Overall the performance specs do make up for a lot of the 'anomalies' - I did pre order one yesterday but yeah, I think some other tweaks could have made it shine.
Considering the design principles... it's hard to add better and better features without dealing with price increases. PCB is packed as is. Note that raspberry pi 1GB was priced 35 and gave as much performance as £75 one. (Minus RAM). This made it insanely affordable. It's still a mission to introduce cheap computing to ppl who can't afford more expensive solutions. Zero 2 is 75% of the rpi4 power and costs under £20.
RPi5 4Gb is available now @ £59 and 8Gb @ £79. So you guessed pretty close. Price in the UK.
Did you raise the available power limits on the USB ports you used when testing drive speeds? Maybe they didn't have enough power.
Yes it wouldn't detect drives without it
我之前用pi4當自己公司的伺服器，持續運作幾年了，很滿意！pi5 8g訂購了，要11月之後才拿的到，我打算拿來當隨身口袋pc使用😊
Just preordered Pi5/8G with power supply and active cooling 💪👍🙏😎
The mini HDMI decision is mystifying to me - who dual-monitors with a Pi, and why? Also, I would've liked to have seen more RAM than the same amount we had pre-pandemic.
That said, I'll be picking on of these up, eventually.
To be honest I probably should have just went with $100 mini PC or really I should have just went with the Zima blade. But I know the pi has a really great community around it.
Great video Mat! you were pretty close with your pricing estimates
Thanks kev!
Oh no!!!! I was going to do my own NAS on this Pi5. I pre-ordered one.
It was a very rough test, I wouldn't give up hope as I expect bugfixes and updates to be ready for when the pre-orders are sent. At minimum, the pi will perform just as fast as 4 - with all the benefits of having a faster clock and potentially better boot drive (m.2 PCIE)
as for the heat, it may be safe to use it without a fan at 2.2GHz
I would redo the video tests with the Fan on the system. Likely your dropped frames were a side effect of the system throttling down due to heat.
Definitely
Nope. The fan was already connected. I started testing with thermals and power consumption to be aware of potential bottlenecka
I remember like it was just yesterday, when I ordered my very first Raspberry Pi 5. Oh, wait ... it was yesterday ;-)
Nitrous Oxide cooling is funny.
How can i make smart plug turn on and off by web page (excel type) values? I want my heatpump to switch from 2 power sources via smart plug + automatic switch (made for generator backup). There is web page that show price per kw any given hour for 24h period. I want heat pump to switch to power source that has constant cost per kw when grid price goes more than 0.13$/kw. Maybe make my android phone look at values on web page and then connect to smart plug and set up timers? Like once every night be good. But how to do something like that?😅
Any home assistant benefits? Happy with pi 4
Not really. Just faster. However pcie could open the path to some fast machine learning
Hard to get excited about the product that is always out of stock and still boots from a SD card.
Do someone know if its PD USB can negotiate higher voltages? It makes absolutely no sense to have PD limited to the same 5V, absolutely no sense
It makes sense as GPIO pins draw the voltage without regulation. This would kill hats
What are the chances of they actually stock these units?
They are already made. My take on this is that the logistics of the first batch is being resolved and shops will start fulfilling preorders within a week or so
Honestly is hard to spend that amount of money when there's ton of other, better and cheaper, options around!
You are paying for a well supported board. Not just hardware. For most projects even zero 2 is more than enough in terms of hardware at a great price point.
@@notenoughtech agree tho x86 is a way more supported architecture. It made sense when they were 35€ but IMHO not anymore!
For what use case? Easy to make a statement like that but not quantify it with any detail. Power budget? Robotics? Desktop computer? Home web/nas/pihole server? Emulator?
@@notenoughtech , the fact is that Raspbery Pi is no longer a platform for hobbyists as too many enterprises have jumped on the boat causing the permanent shortages resulted in stellar prices. Moreover the development of Raspberry Pi is not going anywhere as they've never added native PCI-E SATA interface to their boards making them useless for data storage application. So it looks like the release of the V5 is made just due to the component obsolescence the previous Pis were made of.
Better hardware, not better community development and commitment
Thanks Mat.
RPI5 4GB = €70 / 8GB=€93 in NL
If it's available. Electronic shops are slowly fading away here..
No usb-c?
i see for charging only huh
PREORDER NOW! then we see how much we build. kinda silly. bcoz we not need rpi5 that usae more power and get hot and do same thing as rpi4.
where i get cheap low power RPI2 i need MANY lol its silly they try sell 4GB first then 8GB then 2GB with 35buck. i dont think 16GB come YET.
like i said i need lotsa low power RPI for project. RPI3-5 not those.
but 2 camera connector is interesting i wait what peepol get from them. can they use same time and get 3d object tracking or poor mans bedroom 120angle 3d pov cam LOL
Between Zero2 and RPI42GB there is enough in budget lineup to please most of makers. raspberry pi 5 is a high end product in their line. It's more than most of single projects will require. Not once I maxed out raspberry pi 4 in my projects.
We all strive to have better bang for your money but with the ramped up production of pi4 .. we are finally having good availability of these Vs new boards
The pre order was less expected if I'm honest but judging they are able to produce rpi4 to fill the demand... going blind into rpi5 and more expensive models may not be a good business decision
we not need we allready have rpi that eat too much power and not 35buck
So, still no native support for booting off of SSD without a bunch of tricks instead of having to use the crappy MicroSD cards that fail all the time? The single biggest gripe I have heard about Rpi since day one was the reliance on those SD cards which have a terrible track record, and here we are at gen 5 and that still has not been addressed.
You can do this already (with a Pi4) - no tricks required. You can even boot and install over the internet straight to an SSD drive connected to USB3 or MicroSD which is now twice as fast (or even using the new PCI express for storage) by plugging in an ethernet cable which will boot straight to Pi Imager. On Pi4 it cannot connect with WIFI (not enough room in EPROM) but it may now be possible that this has been overcome in the Pi 5 - so you would just power on and if no bootable device is connected (MicroSD or SSD) you can install over the internet and now with PCI you'll be able to install to storage that way too.
I have been natively booting from SSD on Pi 4 for three years? No tricks required. My Pi has not had a microSD card plugged in at all in all that time. The Pi 5 will also natively boot from SSD. You seem to be complaining about a non-issue.
I should have clarified better what I meant. I meant a native connector for SSD directly on the Pi without having to use Hats or USB to attache the SSD.
@@cmh31909 ok, yeah, I get that. The Pi5 isn't perfect, for sure. the PCIe will now allow for M2 hard drives. I think keeping the flimsy mini HDMI ports was a poor move but I guess it is a space saver and ditching the audio jack now means ppl will need a USB adapter to allow that. Overall the performance specs do make up for a lot of the 'anomalies' - I did pre order one yesterday but yeah, I think some other tweaks could have made it shine.
Considering the design principles... it's hard to add better and better features without dealing with price increases. PCB is packed as is. Note that raspberry pi 1GB was priced 35 and gave as much performance as £75 one. (Minus RAM).
This made it insanely affordable. It's still a mission to introduce cheap computing to ppl who can't afford more expensive solutions. Zero 2 is 75% of the rpi4 power and costs under £20.
Until they update the device, it will continue to have bugs.
Plandemic?
0:15 almost stopped watching but I never listen to you anyway ;)
Almost isn't good enough 😉