He's somewhat right though. Statistically Protoss is getting their ass kicked by Zerg, but they do have an advantage against Terran - yet Terrans like Flash kicked their ass. Brood War is a game with an incredibly high skill ceiling, and it makes sense a very select few people rise above the rest. And it's not statistically unlikely that if, say, 5 players rise above everyone else by miles, then only 2 races could emerge. If you roll a dice 5 times, it's perfectly possible to get 5 rolls between 3-6 (1-2 representing protoss).
@@Anubis1993KZ Doing random meaning he's playing three races at pro level so he has a very good understanding of how they operate. Winning ASL is a hard thing to accomplish lol But he got 3rd place with a one race each sweep against rush that was hilarious. You also forgot if he switch to toss he doesn't have to compete with his own Terran.
@@zombie92110 in that era all pros were preparing for the sc2 switch including fantasy and therefore practiced both. It is widely known that jangbi only practice brood war, so some don’t really count those OSLs. Fantasy was really good though
@@crh18He is just not that great against Terran. He lost to Mind in MSL finals, it could've been his 3rd MSL title in a row. And he just kept choking in OSLs.
@@masoud6920Genuinely would've loved to see savior try to beat JvZ in his prime, but sadly he fumbled his bonjwa bag into a bloody volcano after what he did. For that alone, JD is the better player, on top of his stellar attitude and professionalism.
@@snaffu1 He is also a greater player career wise. 5-time winners, 4-time finalists, 3-time quarterfinalists. It should also be stressed that Saviour did not make it through the preliminaries for the entirety of his Bonjwa career except for the last one, so his time as the undefeated dominator is in fact very short-lived
@@masoud6920 Just because you're a zoomer who never watched Savior doesn't make Jaedong better. Sure he was a top player and contested Flash for some titles but he never truly dominated the scene like Savior did.
very interesting topic. i always wished for a protoss bonjwa. if brood war had something as strong as alfastar in sc2, i wonder which race would dominate.
they stopped giving the title out these days, even Flash doesn't get it, but we all recognise him as a gaming god anyway, he is in his own god tier league 😅 Rain would be the closest as his skill far surpasses any of the dragons, but he's not competing these days, but let's not count out Snow!!
I would assume, without APM limitations, Zerg would be the preferred race by a superadvanced AI. Simply because it gets so much more value out of supply and has the most powerful spellcasters in the game. The main limitation for Zerg players is that once Zerg gets really big it becomes really unwieldy, much more so compared to the other races. I really wish we had such a project in BW to see how far limits can be pushed.
@@Anubis1993KZ There are many players who switched from toss to Terran. OG pro-gamer SSamJang is a good example. He used to be the poster boy of Starcraft before Boxer
@@jys365 I don't know anything about him but here's what I found on liquipedia "Early in his career SSamJang used to play all races in tournaments but eventually just stuck to Terran". So I'm not 100% sure if he truly was a Protoss player. Thanks for mentioning him anyways ^^
he's already done, but there's controversy with him returning due to a crypto scandal you can find the related video under jinjin, it was around a month ago?
Terran rewards good mechanics the most, you can get by with terran just doing basic builds like 2-1 mech timings tvp and 2 rac academy into 3 rax tech in tvz and you'll do great if your execution is good. I mean in tvp what are some decisions you can even make to alter your build? Make one more factory before building your third base, building your third on location or floating it from your main, there isn't much creativity in the way pro terrans play especially in tvp. In tvz there's a bit more room for creativity but good terrans like light just do the same macro build 1000 times in a row.
![Pros React to FlaSh's T+P+Z Random Sweep vs Rush ASL10 Ro8 [subbed]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HfLZ55t0IyU/mqdefault.jpg)
Really just "skill issue"d the entire protoss race. Artosis will be proud
He's somewhat right though. Statistically Protoss is getting their ass kicked by Zerg, but they do have an advantage against Terran - yet Terrans like Flash kicked their ass.
Brood War is a game with an incredibly high skill ceiling, and it makes sense a very select few people rise above the rest. And it's not statistically unlikely that if, say, 5 players rise above everyone else by miles, then only 2 races could emerge. If you roll a dice 5 times, it's perfectly possible to get 5 rolls between 3-6 (1-2 representing protoss).
I can't stop fucking laughing about this.
The biggest proof to his words would be switching to Protoss and winning like 3 or 4 ASLs in a row. That would be the loudest "skill issue" ever said.
yeah he's not gonna be able to do that
He got 3rd place as random in ASL-10.
I don't think most people realize how much preparation is required to practice for all possible matchups.
He already does random lol So if he says its a skill issue there is some truth in it, and there was Jangbi.
@@kaydens6964 doing random and winning with it are 2 different things mate (lol)
@@Anubis1993KZ Doing random meaning he's playing three races at pro level so he has a very good understanding of how they operate. Winning ASL is a hard thing to accomplish lol But he got 3rd place with a one race each sweep against rush that was hilarious.
You also forgot if he switch to toss he doesn't have to compete with his own Terran.
Artosis wrote that script lmao
When Flash said "skill issue" I genuinely expected "vine boom sound effect" with max reverb 😅
Flash is based af
Thank you Artosis for the closed captions.
Jangbi had a shot at the end of the OSL era but Kespa had to switch to SC2 so we'll never know.
yes :(
by that time all players were playing both bw and sc2. jangbi was the only pro to continue focusing solely on bw.
@@bruce_son Fantasy? He was already on his way up before.
@@zombie92110 in that era all pros were preparing for the sc2 switch including fantasy and therefore practiced both. It is widely known that jangbi only practice brood war, so some don’t really count those OSLs. Fantasy was really good though
@@bruce_son and Jangbi was also one of the best old school kespa player in SC2 too. So that looks like excuses.
'skill issue' lmao
lmao he really did just pull the skill issue card
Yeah this is as convincing as Soulkey complaining about not being able to queue up Larvae the other day
Jaedong will be Bonjwa if not for Flash.
I know Savior was bonjwa after stopping Nada, and Bisu shut down Savior, but who prevented Bisu from getting Bonjwa??
That Bonjwa thing is a facade TBH... there's nothing about Jaedong shortcoming to be a Bonjwa but somehow still isn't considered one by many
@@crh18 I think you have to be the only one dominant to have that title.
@chr18 Flash, of course.
@@crh18He is just not that great against Terran. He lost to Mind in MSL finals, it could've been his 3rd MSL title in a row. And he just kept choking in OSLs.
We need Bisu hyungs reaction
Haha yep + Snow, Stork, and Best
In pipeline....
@@jinjinBW can't wait to see!
Savior is the only Zerg Bonjwa, therefore he is the true #1 SC player of all time.
That makes no sense
Jaedong > Savior
@@masoud6920Genuinely would've loved to see savior try to beat JvZ in his prime, but sadly he fumbled his bonjwa bag into a bloody volcano after what he did. For that alone, JD is the better player, on top of his stellar attitude and professionalism.
@@snaffu1 He is also a greater player career wise. 5-time winners, 4-time finalists, 3-time quarterfinalists. It should also be stressed that Saviour did not make it through the preliminaries for the entirety of his Bonjwa career except for the last one, so his time as the undefeated dominator is in fact very short-lived
@@masoud6920 Just because you're a zoomer who never watched Savior doesn't make Jaedong better. Sure he was a top player and contested Flash for some titles but he never truly dominated the scene like Savior did.
LMAO This dude really said "skill issue" lmao
Protoss players don't want to be held accountable for their lack of skill though
Too busy managing their stock portfolios and lounging at the beach.
Please someone tell me FlaSh is coming back... He still didn't show up on Afreeca 😔
You’ll just have to hope the Korean fans forgive him ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
His crypto scandal
I hope he doesn't return too soon, too many Terrans winning ASL in the past 2-3yrs, I would like to see a different race win
@@crh18 snow vs flash could be some killer games
@@denzelnolet assuming Snow can make it out of RO8 first 🥲
very interesting topic. i always wished for a protoss bonjwa. if brood war had something as strong as alfastar in sc2, i wonder which race would dominate.
they stopped giving the title out these days, even Flash doesn't get it, but we all recognise him as a gaming god anyway, he is in his own god tier league 😅
Rain would be the closest as his skill far surpasses any of the dragons, but he's not competing these days, but let's not count out Snow!!
I would assume, without APM limitations, Zerg would be the preferred race by a superadvanced AI. Simply because it gets so much more value out of supply and has the most powerful spellcasters in the game. The main limitation for Zerg players is that once Zerg gets really big it becomes really unwieldy, much more so compared to the other races. I really wish we had such a project in BW to see how far limits can be pushed.
Salty protoss comments incoming pepeLaugh
Protoss players wont understand that FlaSh dissed them lol
Flash is just a paid Artosis plant.
Are there any high quality Savior Replays anywhere? I'd like to see his games.
Vods exist i dont know about replays , but the nickname savior was removed from tournament records. Google "the god of battlefield teamliquid"
He has the authority to say Protoss has "Skill Issue" because he wins playing Random/Protoss.
Yeah, look at all those skilled Terrans who switched to Protoss and won tournaments, oh wait…
@@noahbaker-kang5148 On other hand are there any protoss who switched to terran and won anything?
@@Anubis1993KZ No, but I’m not making the arrogant claim that Terrans lack skill.
@@Anubis1993KZ There are many players who switched from toss to Terran. OG pro-gamer SSamJang is a good example. He used to be the poster boy of Starcraft before Boxer
@@jys365 I don't know anything about him but here's what I found on liquipedia "Early in his career SSamJang used to play all races in tournaments but eventually just stuck to Terran". So I'm not 100% sure if he truly was a Protoss player.
Thanks for mentioning him anyways ^^
I don't think losing to Zerg as a Protoss is a skill issue. This whole machup is unbalanced.
When is flash done in military? surely soon.
he's already done, but there's controversy with him returning due to a crypto scandal
you can find the related video under jinjin, it was around a month ago?
@@crh18 alright tthank you
Hi❤
I think Terran rewards creativity and that's why many of the strongest (and more creative) players have mained Terran over the years
If by creativity you mean micro then yeah.
How creative is camping with siege tanks and watching the opponent's army just melt?
Terran rewards good mechanics the most, you can get by with terran just doing basic builds like 2-1 mech timings tvp and 2 rac academy into 3 rax tech in tvz and you'll do great if your execution is good.
I mean in tvp what are some decisions you can even make to alter your build? Make one more factory before building your third base, building your third on location or floating it from your main, there isn't much creativity in the way pro terrans play especially in tvp. In tvz there's a bit more room for creativity but good terrans like light just do the same macro build 1000 times in a row.
lol, have you ever played Terran... Try being creative vs Protoss... Specially in the first 5 minutes of the game... lets see what happens ...
flash is back?
title says this is a VOD from 2017
?
As much as I love and respect Flash, no.. Just no.