100% hoping to see that'll happen. Only FC features and a lawn would be missing but you could technically use island sanctuary at that point for yard items.
@@KaiyokoStar That would be incredibly nice. It's good we can decorate it with housing items at the least, but yeah, this would probably make them a go to thing for a lot of people, especially FCs. Being able to turn an island into a sort of FC HQ would be dope.
@@Corrderio It's already a massive investment either way, and the Sanctuary takes a lot of time to get to and it's option content you can skip, would be the same for housing if it was treated sanely. I still remember my worst experience, it was when Kugane opened. I was waiting by a sign board hoping for get a sport next to a friend of mine, then someone came up and snatched it at the last second. I was SO mad at that.
I'm shocked they didn't give us FF11 as a bonus sub, even a limited time one, before the alliance raid. It would've been great for the long content drought between patches and a good way for someone like me, who never played 11, to get invested in the alliance raid.
The FFXI servers can barely handle the 3000 odd remaining players spread amongst them (not counting multiboxers). There's no way they want a massive influx or it'll just obliterate the servers and the skeleton crew left running things won't be able to handle it.
Yeah no. FFXI has no real budget at this point, especially with the handful of people on the team. The last director even said so himself. This is why the game just constantly recycles content. Heck even the final boss of the new story didn't even have a modeling team to make a proper new model. The game also barely has only 10 servers left, since a majority were fused due to the decreasing player count and also them planning to end the game when FFXIV (1.0) took off, which is why they were originally a dual sub deal back at 1.0 launch. After 1.0 failed, that uh...kind of blew up in their faces and then they tried to do the same with FFXI mobile, AND THEN THAT BLEW UP AGAIN. ;w; They don't have enough people to keep the game running properly if the player count would start having an influx of people from FFXIV. Hell, they don't even have a real GM team anymore, hence why the game is full of so many bots. Point is, they're never gonna do that.
There were so many MMOs or similar games that handled housing much MUCH better then FFXIV - even and already when 2.0 came out. SQEX needs to swallow their developer's pride and acknowledge certain things are old, outdated, and unpractical, and need a complete overhaul how this whole thing works. Thanks for the great vid Kaiyoko! ♥
Ppl need to realize housing was done better in other MMOs WHEN XIV launched housing, so the problem isn't now it's been always like that and the dev knows it, they admit as much several times. However at this point in time expecting them to trash the whole system and do something different is complete lunacy from a community that doesn't understand the inner workings on games and business. As heartless as it sounds housing won't change how it is implemented becuase as of now they've invested ALOT of money into housing, just look at the aditions over the years and saying they should just toss it because ppl really believe instanced housing would work (hint: it wouldn't island sanctuary couldn't handle the traffic of players on launch and that was with a forced kick of 30 mins of inactivity) is yet again lunacy. Sad as is to say this but Wow or other MMOs could give you a house irl and that wouldn't make SE change the system because it's just not worth the expense enough, not to mention you ppl won't like the fact you'll have to give up on some other content for it
i personally dont think anything will change till their backs is against the wall at this point i feel like they dont do things cause they know theres probably a mod to fix it wich is why when they banned the streamer with the timers it got put in the game next patch, the community likes to defend the devs no matter what so they feel they can just do whatever they want and get away with being lazy, until we see a mass exodus similar to how it happened in wow we wont see any change. at this point there are so many issues in teh game they said they cant fix because of "technical limitations" that i just feel like its either them bullshiting us or they just flat out need a new engine
It's a 10+ year old engine that square enix pretty much forced them to use at gunpoint so until management above the studio gets their head out of the sand their isn't any real way to change it. Anyone who's seen the stories of the dev hell FFXIV was knows they can't do jack until that happens.
@@Runelee1 given squares track record to always feel like their untouchable and that they can't fail I don't see it happening ever either the game legit needs a mass exodus like jt happened in wow for them to wake up thats what happened to blizzard and now seems like wow in a bit of a decent spot
FF14 housing been in trouble since day 1 with the whole limited spot thing. GW2 just got housing recently and they literally give it to you for free by just progressing the story and you are given huge custmization ability for it due to Creator mode they have for housing items. Though I do hope they add new homestead themes in the future.
@@jrtime228 That's what people have been suggesting but people in the RP scene are mad with that suggestion as "it destroys the immersion for roleplaying". And don't say that it isn't feasible as we have Island Sanctuary which afaik it's not giving any problems so far.
IIRC, Yoshi P looked closely at what WoW had to offer at the time he revamped FFXIV for the 2.0 re-release. My guess is that he and the dev team are looking at how the competition implements housing, and considering how the current system in 14 could be improved. Like anything as complex as 14, though, changes are gonna take time to implement, probably with some glitches and bumps in the road along the way.
as a wow player since 2005 and FF14 player since 2.0 Beta wave 4, I do not think the wow housing feature will be as robust as one might think. If they are using the same framework as Garrisons but allow more slots to put things in (Wall decorations, trophies, pre-planned objects) It may attract long time players and people who have played casually but i don't think it will be the same level of customization as 14's housing. You won't be able to make proper night clubs so to say or go ham wild on layering objects. I just hope my FOS and unobtainable accolades do get to be displayed in my home cause I'm still proud of things like being there for the BC prelaunch event and the like. Wow's 15 a month is still the same since it's launch price and while i do appreciate the extra game modes, I still look at the main game for it's majority value as the 'season' servers are only temporary game modes essentially and we have 2 versions of "Classic" one in Vanilla and one now heading to MOP with a third Vanilla in hardcore and more progression on the way. But base wow alone is worth the money still. the framework for wow has been an engine used in Warcraft 3 since 1999. That engine alone has fallen apart a couple times yet they still do innovate as much as they can. If they do end up making housing more closely like 14, it would be a healthy competition to get players to see the other side. Even if the grass is a tad burned/dried there are still green pastures as much as 14 has. Overall, all SE and Yoshi P have to do is make housing instanced, Let people start with a small to be allowed to upgrade up to a Large including the field and get rid of the demolishing.
Mikepreachwow actually asked the devs directly about it a while back and they straight up said it's not possible to do housing like in FFXIV in WoW due to spaghetti code issues. This is going to be Garrisons 2.0.
@@DavidCruickshank while it is part excuse, Wow's engine is literally Warcraft 3's from 1999 just heavily modified and they've been using the same thing since then. Spaghetti code is an understatement as to the amount of times a major patch would 'break' the game for a while and reintroduce once 'fixed' bugs (The guild achievement spam being one of them) They could potentially have had a working system a bit more than garrisons allowing basic x/y axis placement or squares to fill up spots and customize with turning things, but it may of caused an invincibility glitch with a random frog mob in the middle of nowhere to execute players for 5 million damage. there has been weirder things in wow's code every time major features are changed/updated because of it. P.S: Blink still can cause you to clip through the world and other places since 2004. That is impossible to fix 20 years later.
I view it similar to Construction from RuneScape honestly. WoW will try to sell it but.. I just don't have faith in them. Hell, EQ2 had an awesome housing system back in 2004/5 and I don't think WoW will even be able to beat that.
Ion said in a recent interview said that it would not be like garrisons. He said it would not be tied to player power either. Ion also said that he did not like that the design of garrisons isolated players from other players in the game. I have hope that it will be better than 14’s system. Also I hope there will never be night clubs in wow housing, it harbors one of the worst groups in the 14 community.
everyone brings up gw2 and the new wow housing but OG mmo players knows that silly little runescape game had housing and did all kinds of crazy shit for it before housing in mmos was really a thing. There's no excuse ff14's housing is like it is lol.
I remember Runescape housing, vaguely, but there was also PSO2, OG PSO2 gave each player a private quarters, only smol unless you got an upgrade though, but then NGS basically gives all players their own Island to build stuff on, and people can get really creative with those builds.
For a gamer released in 2012, FFXIV sure has a lot of design ideas from 2005. I dont understand how it failed so hard on so many concepts that have been solved, many times, by other games, years before it released. Its not like it makes one and a half billion dollars annually or anything
I think GW2 housing system was the kick in the butt Square needed . It's definitly not made out of listening to the player base complains that they add in 7.2 or 7.3 the inside size choose for a fee. Depending on Wow housing system, FFXIV will need to finally work on those instances housing
lol nah, as a player that loves housing, the gw2 housing items doesnt even look nice and cute. I love gw2 and ffxiv, but ffxiv housing system and items is waaaaay better...
@tayalt2406 Yeah. however. simply giving to everyone a customisable house to everyone without those needless restrictions...(Ex : my server has 15k houses and 500k players. ) is already a selling point.
I hope wow housing is amazing for everyone who wants it, but sadly I can't get past the wow aesthetic. Why does a simple table or chair always need to look SO FREAKING CHUNKY
YoshiP said their crew would check other MMOs's features and report to him. But we never notice there is any new feature absorbed from other games in recent patches.
Another part of housing issues that has gotten worse is ever since dc travel and people deciding to flock to specific servers, theres even less incentives to have a house other than personal designing. No one stays at their home or socializes so theres no community, and unless ones on a busy server cant even chill at one to queue if from a less populated server
When you're with the loporrits at one point, they mention having a housing district there. I thought for sure they'd use it for instanced housing... Feels like the perfect framework for it. Maybe eventually they still will.
Don't get your hopes up too high. That's what ppl did with IS and we all know how that ended. But yes I'm definitely waiting for having either a house or only a room on the moon! I mean, come on how cool is that! ❤😎
I have lost it when they announced housing demolition back in the day and I actually don’t have a house anymore because I stopped playing for a while. I managed my housing items by having an apartment and stay there forever with no demolition warning. Since I also play GW2 I will visit there real quick.
Okay hear me out: Leave the current housing districts as FC only, and player housing as Wildstar had it: instanced housing where you get "an island sanctuary" for youself. I genuinely believe it's doable and we should bring this discussion to the forums
The fact that ESO wasn't mentioned at all is criminal. I haven't played GW2, I unfortunately didn't play much of Wildstar, (RIP, you didn't deserve to die) but ESO seems like it has one of the BEST housing systems in MMO's. Not only can you fully customise the interior of all houses, and exterior of houses that have them, if you really wanted to you could buy and fully customise every single house in the game. You can buy a house in all major cities, you can buy a house in a lot of zones out in the world, it's amazing. 14's housing system, IMO, is fucking atrocious. Having to fight other players to get a house is one thing, but because of that you have to constantly be logging in or you'll lose it. That's HORRID to me. The only cool part is having a neighbourhood where you can see other players houses, but given the nature of 14's housing system it shouldn't be the only one. The best thing Square can do, in my opinion, is copy ESO's system. Let us buy apartments or houses in all major cities that we can fully customise the interiors of. Let us buy houses in the games zones, I'd kill for a house in Amourot for example. Hell, let us buy an apartment in one of those apartment buildings in Solution 9. Let us be able to customize the interior of all of them, and have some that have an enclosed exterior that we can also customise, and like ESO, let us be able to buy all of them. Have prices be based on the size of the houses as well, going anywhere from 10k gil for small apartments up to 10 mil+. It would be one HELL of a gil sink to buy every single house in the game, and you know people would do it. I'd certainly try to buy as many as I could.
Also it wouldn't even be too horrid to also add some real money specials too, like more/bigger rooms or gardens or different designs or whatever. This way they can still have their infinite money subs from home owners but also additional income over players enhancing their housing in the cities. I'd love to have a room on the moon and in Radz at Han! ❤
I know the game didnt last long in Global servers but MapleStory 2 had instance housing and lots; In every major city and the overworld zones surrounding them, plots of varying sizes ranging from 2x2 to the largest, a singular 9x9 plot, that you could decorate the outside of and put a banner ad which a lot of people used to sell items or advertise the theme of their house - But no matter where your plot was placed, it took you to your - ACCOUNT WIDE - instance house pocket dimension. Thats another thing that I dont hear spoken of often; Making housing Account wide not only kills the need for players like me with 3 characters to want a house for each, (and on different servers/DCs, so I cant join an FC and go that route) but also limits the ability of a single person to use multiple shell characters to buy up whole wards. Yes the lottery system limited the risk of this, but its still worth discussing
When and if they do revamp the housing system into instanced housing, I both do and don't hope they don't lock it behind Island Sanctuary solely because that would shut out the free-to-plays that might be interested in the system. Island Sanctuary works to an extent, but full-on instanced housing should be accessible to everyone. Alternatively if you are willing to let the free-to-plays dangle for a while until Endwalker is part of the free trial (probably in 10.0) the Island Sanctuary is the perfect system to expand into full-on instanced player housing. Just add in a completely new building to become a player house, section it off into its own thing kind of like apartments are to current housing districts and make it the size of at least a Medium house.
As a WoW refugee and returning Shadowbringers-baby, can confirm housing is one of the most highly requested features in the WoW community Kinda got my hopes for housing in FF crushed when I saw the Pint video on how expensive and hard it is to buy a house even with a group of friends combining forces. Getting even a small apartment would be amazing
I miss Wildstar now....Thanks Kaiyoko. One game that housing was a really fun thing to do on the side. Will be interesting if WoW housing is more FF like or GW2 like. The other way they go is SWTOR Stronghold route which is instanced. Rift had a interesting housing system with their dimensions. The scale you could build was a lot like the GW system they have now.
Imagine if mobile game gets more qol and more housing to players before WE get anything. I really hate how Yoshi is out their happy go lucky promoting this when we had to endure the content draught of EW, thinking uwu our director busy with FF16, but no apparently a mobile game too... I really hope WoW picks the pace cause I think SE think they're infallable and sitting on their laurals since the 'streamer rush' of ShB happened. Competition is good. I'll never play WoW and I played GW2 until I burnt out prior to coming to XIV. They really need to pour in more into FFXIV, we wait long patch cycles to be drip fed 'content'... Why are house upgrades not applied to apartments? I've said it many times, upgradable/customizable apartments would be so helpful. Our current houses are instanced, you can't see the 'ward' from within, your house is just a door to a shoe box instance. I have a house, I want others to have houses too, we buy the game, pay a sub, why can't people have a house to customize? Are they really so scared to meet the demand that they'd no longer chain people to the FOMO of losing their house? -------------- Speaking of WoW taking ideas...didn't we have Yoshida and the dev team admitting that he made them play wow when working on ARR?
It's like Intel. Sitting on their laurels, thinking they don't have to innovate, they'll just keep doing what they've been doing. And somehow, the inevitable result is going to shock them.
I don't know why they can't do instance housing. THey have the Island sanctuary which you can place unlimited exterior housing items down, so they should be able to do the same with a whole house.
Fantastic analysis video, as always. Now onto a more important question. Who's house or FC house is that!!! :) Holy crap I thought I knew most of all the accoutrements in housing. I was obviously mistaken. Edit: Mad Props to the Wildstar shout out. RIP.
"XIV players dont look at WoW as a competitor." But they absolutely do. I see XIV players bring up WoW waaaaaaaaay more often than I see WoW players bring up XIV. WoW players have been living in a 20 year time bubble, and the only time that was briefly popped was during shadowlands. After Endwalker, most diehard WoW players I know promptly returned to WoW.
What I mean is, there are FFXIV players that hate WoW with a passion and refuse to look at it. It's just WoW BAD, WoW BAD. So they're never willing to have a discussion about the two games in comparison. They're essentially not looking at it as a competitor or they're in real denial. I didn't wanna focus on that in the video, so that's how I summarized it.
I am definitely one of those players who could care less about WoW and what's going on there. Housing in WoW would not get me to switch, but I agree that SE needs way more heat on the housing situation.
spitting facts. since 2014 i've had a love hate relationship and also is one of the main reasons I have had a consistent sub.... for just that alone I wish it was just bit better... user friendly and not a 2-3 day project of relearning how to glitch things into walls to have a nice virtual house. I'm a millennial and its probably the only house I'll ever own lol
I like the idea of the wards, giving a neighborhood feel... except its always a ghost town these days so meh... I think some form of instance housing would be better ultimately, especially if it means you don't lose the house if you take a break
The easiest way to add instanced housing, without doing away with the "neighborhood" feeling they want to encourage with the housing wards... just update the Island Sanctuary, even if it's like "get to rank 25, or even 30" and that final unlock is clearing a plot and building your own house, with interior and exterior decorating slots equivalent to at least a medium house if not a large. Maybe you can choose which to do, with the option to upgrade later, but all it takes is materials and cowries. The bigger the plot/house, the more it costs. All wards and plots simply become FC plots (except any that already have personal housing, or maybe the cost of a personal plot and house get fully refunded and the furnishings stored until you can transfer them to your island house.)
Really enjoying these videos you've been releasing lately Kai, but more importantly than housing, when are you throwing another glam contest? I missed the last one 😢.
As a former WoW player, I can't say I'm worried about this at all. Blizzard has a long history of putting players on a rollercoaster, and then pretending that the player is in control of the ride. But the player never has any real control. This pattern will very likely lead to a poor housing experience. The Blizzard that you mention taking ideas from other games and doing it better....yeah. That Blizzard hasn't existed for at least a decade.
For real I feel a strong stench of bias there; in my experience they copy other studios work and do it far worse. Like the attempts to copy Shadowbringers that ironically resulted in the mass WoW Exodus to FF14
I lost my house when I had to take a break. At this point I doubt i'll come back since it's been so long they deleted all of my house items, including my wedding cake housing item. :/
the thing in wow i'm always thinking about there's two factions , maaaanyyy races and every race had it's own style in houses and areas that in canon it's belong to them like you can't expect housing elves in the human / orc cities , god this is going be hell of event lol < also me to ffxiv housing : " i don't want to play with you anymore"
I think that in the end, FFXIV will add an instanced housing option alongside what is currently available. This will satisfy a lot of people, but like island sanctuary, will have some significant limitations. For one thing, I doubt the instanced housing system will support the creation of nightclubs and hosting of large events. And exploring random people's houses will likely not be thing either. But that's fine for most people.
I just want to be able to put furnishings anywhere and rotate them in any angle like in some other MMOs. On the other hand, if some people quit for WoW housing, then maybe I can finally win a mansion. 😂
I mean, we have apartments always available, so that tells me that people want exteriors. I’m not sure if they can/want to do individually instanced full houses, so I think that their only option is really just to keep adding more wards.
Apartments are quite small with a limited build budget. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but decorating a small house can be tricky to make anything interesting. Apartments even more so. More wards is a nice bandaid, but instanced on the Island would be the most ideal. Though other island spots with other biome types would be nice (like I prefer snowy to tropical).
If they do instanced housing it needs to be a completely separate system that everyone gets. Sure let people use the interiors we all know, but *everyone* should just get that house and it never demolishes. I really love the community housing wards, having neighbours (especially active ones) is REALLY fun, its essentially a full ward of player self-expression and that adds so much to making the community feel alive. I'd never give up my medium in Shiro, even if I just got a free large instanced house. It should definitely exist, mainly for those that can't afford/keep getting unlucky with housing lotteries or can't commit to a ward house due to demolition timers.
Idk anything about programing so I know I'm just talking out of my ass like most ppl but I am so sick of my 2 favorite MMO's, WoW & 14, BOTH having the "spaghetti code" excuse for every single thing players ever ask for.....
Tencent. There's gonna be some gross monetization stuff afoot. Also, I have a house in FFXIV and I don't care if there's instanced housing. IN FACT, if instanced housing completely does away from the monthly auto demolition warning, I WILL BE 100% FOR IT! I do not want to have to renew my sub because my house is about to be destroyed. I'm already doing that now, but if these kind of changes happen, I will support it all the way.
no shot theyre moving to instanced housing in 14. mobile is just its separate thing. wards are already established and built into the story(firmament). i dont see them going through all that trouble to make such a huge change
Adding a joint sub or even a option to pay alittle more to to sub to both might actually get me to try of ff11 know has a free trial but it's not anywhere close to what ff14 offers but if I could try for a lower price I would be more up for playing 11
FFXIV needs instanced housing that has a big outdoor area for players who don't like having neighbors. Keeping up a subscription for a house is also a reason why I haven't bothered with FFXIV. If FFXIV gives us instanced housing with an outdoor area, I would absolutely play the game.
Pretty much gotta hope they're paying attention, but I don't wanna see them go crazy all at once and throw other systems to the side. It needs to just be gradually worked on.
Housing in XIV has always been a sore spot for me considering that I have my own 2 story Mog House in FFXI...yall remember that game. It's been out for a while.
I hope post endwalker - 7.0 is a serious wake up call for yoshi P and the development team. There needs to be more investment into the mmo itself rather than focussing significantly on other projects at the cost of the cash cow
I get their original intention was to make it feel like you're part of this world that you're in. However, It's just been... Not good implementation... I honestly want to have it to where you can get a cheaper version of a Small/Medium/Large home that's instance based so that I'm able to finally have a place to go to where I can just chill and do some of the Home activities or even better Free Company Activities and that you're able to actually look up other players and host house parties like it's Runescape. So weird they cut out Moghouses from XI for what they have now....
Because of the current housing system, the housing already in the game can never be instance based, it will never work. They COULD add NEW housing areas that incorporate instance based housing, but it would destroy the current system as it kill outdoor decoration
this and also more new housewalls. we have so many nice different houses in the expansions. look at elpis, labyrinthos, shaaloani or earthenshire. so many possible housewalls and non of them are used. there could be so much variety!
ok coming from a point of view of a long time/term (2001-Present) MMO player Housing is the least of your concerns it is a little bit of an inconvenience anyway when you look at how to get out of the housing district without spending gil as you are ideally warping deep inside an instanced area that takes like 5-8 mins just to walk out to the major city (looking at the Firmament here). However what are the pros and cons Pro you get rest benefit and it is not the inn it is something you can customize Con if you dont step into after so long it gets foreclosed on and now you lost all your money that it took to purchase it Pro you can buy an apartment or FC room Con the Inn is free and much closer to just logging in and being in a major hub Not trying to say that housing is not an important aspect, to some players it is. But, FFXIV it is not. Also keep in mind that the current state of the game has been this way since like 2018ish?, and when Squenix/Creative Studio III decide to reverse the housing market and change the rules on it or make it available to all players. It will cause a major flood of players to it. I honestly thought they were heading in that direction with the island sanctuary and if was a flop...I was hoping they would pull a WildStar housing where you had all this land and space to do gathering practice, host, etc. I think time will tell. For the RP'ers I know most of them make a ton of gil and can easily buy a house it just may not be in the district or location they want. you have to remember there is Limsa, Gridana, Uldah, Kugane, Corethas and each have 25 to 30 wards holding about 60 plots a piece while roughly 7000 to 9000 housing options are not a lot I am not counting how many rooms in an FC or apartments which there are 5 apartments all located in the same locations as I listed before for a flat fee of 500k and it falls under the same issue. If you do not go visit it every now and then you can loose it I think. And yes there are those players that have stupid amounts of cash that own an apartment, private house, and FC (guild) house...those are the exception to the rule but it does eat into the available resources. Now I think a great quality of life would be instances for FC versus instances for private home buyers. meaning the ward that you would be looking are more geared for FC or personal usage. This way you dont have divisions in the wards. I also think that they should remove the inn and replace it with the apartments so you still have your own private instance of I think like a 100 furnishings allowed and it is not buried in the wards...but that is just one old gamers thoughts on the subject. Housing can always improve and any improvement just makes FF so much better in the long run.
Oh yeah, it’s not like a huge priority. That’s the reason I explained later in the video that I thought it should be something they work on in the background to update. It’s just been a huge ask from people to give instance housing and they really missed the mark not including it with island sanctuary even though they allowed just outdoor furniture. To me that’s a clear indication that it’s possible.
@@KaiyokoStar I agree that they are not hitting the mark but we really don't know the demographic from which it is asking for more housing (*and yes island home sanctuary was a huge miss in regards to solving the housing issue*). Because of that the argument for should they fix it or not really plays more I think on individual player wants. For instance I am not opposed to having my own home, but do I need one? I think in the long run for possible new player engagement if Square or BC3 decide that it would bring new players to the game they would definitely develop more housing. But to pivot on this topic we could discuss how jank the lotto system is making it more painful for those that would like to have a player home.
I dabble in classic/ hardcore WoW and have little interest in retail. In GW2 I mainly did WvW but kinda lost interest when they introduced the warclaw mount as it didn't feel the same (plus my world kept getting stacked against and I loved Deso too much to move). Can't see myself going to either just for housing. In FF14 I've always been a casual, solo player and don't do much these days aside from crafting, housing and doing the odd raid or dungeon. I have my dream FC medium in Lavender Beds and my private medium in Shirogane and am perfectly content with both. They'll get upgraded to mansion interiors and I'm happy with that as I tend to afk in either of them when I'm doing other things.
as someone who quit WoW after 15 years this year to play FFXIV, there is no way in hell WoW will ever have a competitive product with FFXIV. It just can't and won't ever happen
It is a competitive product with xiv. WoW overall has more subs than Xiv. Clocking in at like 10mil across all versions. XIV is currently in a massive slump in terms of new content and the issue of running out of old content is real.
@@JohnSomming Yeah myabe after 10,000 hours you'll find yourself without anything to do lmao. as a new player there is an extreme amount of content, not to mention everything from ARR to Dawntrail is relevant which is something that WoW doesnt have
Isn't that the same thing for WoW? Since you're a 15 year veteran, you've run out of things you wanna do in WoW. If a FFXIV player started WoW anew they would have the exact same thing happen.
@@EvanLaFrance I clocked in at like 220 days /played and had done probably 80% of the content when I quit in endwalker. As a new player it's great but the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
@@KaiyokoStar Its not the fact that I haven't run out of things to do on WoW, it's more so I've ran out of things I want/enjoy doing. WoW and FFXIV are two totally different games, they just so happen to share components of an MMO. FFXIV does a fantastic job of keeping content relevant and challenging whereas WoW leaves everything from previous expansions to rot
BDTH needs to be native and a lot of their clunky decorating issues would be fixed. Having "realistic" restrictions on item placement is such a killer to creativity. If they stopped having float limits, cut down the amount of snapping things did, and gave us the movement gizmo from BDTH their native housing abilities and appeal would be a lot greater. No one wants to build a house in game that's as fantastical as BDTH houses because it's truly hours upon hours or finicky float glitch nonsense.
I hope the devs realize that just because something is being done under the table by the community to make housing more bearable, making tools like coordinate positioning possible, doesn't mean that it's inherently a bad thing to implement themselves if they can find the time to set aside resources to make it official. The reason why Valve became successful is they took allot of the talent from their community and compromised by added some of them to their staff or just working with them to put a version of their creativity back into their games. Games like Team Fortress and Portal wouldn't exist without that, and now they are either making bank indirectly through microtransactions or are critical staples that make their brand look good - many years after they stopped making games and for the most part became the go-to distributer of most PC games. You still need to hold a leash on this stuff, so the dev team and parent company control the direction of the game for the business side of things - but if you can take a W from the community to an extent without even needing to do much work at all you might as well talk with them to adopt a sanitized version of what was created outside SE. I think custom shaders was a big first step towards that.
I mean its a recurring joke every time a patch implements some unexpected QOL: "Who got banned for modding this in that square had to make it themselves?"
I find it hilarious everyone has to give disclaimers when they simply suggest ways to make the game better because we all know that there will be a large group of who will jump in and act as if the criticism is in some way damaging to SE.
Will we be able to make flat out modern penthouses with plasma TVs in wow/gw2 ? Or art deco/japanese/gothic/whatever mansions, cottagecore and dozens of other wild themes ? I don't believe so 😂 On the accessibility side, FFXIV could(and should) be better. But on the artistic/creative side, it is light years ahead other MMOs so it prob won't be in trouble anytime soon 🤌Great analysis ! I'm still curious to see how it will evolve in wow and gw2.
The fastest way to improve current housing in FFXIV is to allow "expansions" to your house. Pay whatever amount of gil, and add a floor or two to your small house/apartment. Whammo.
While I agree housing definitely can be improved, to be honest I'd rather they focus on fixing/modifying the game engine to support a proper transmog/collection system. The outfit addition in 7.1 gives me hope that they're working towards this. There's nothing that says they can't work on both of course, but if it is a resourcing issue, that would be my preference.
They really should limit how many houses you can get because I fr see one particular player that bought a bunch in bulk which makes it hard to get housing for players who don’t have any housing 😢
With Blizzards poor delivery I am not expecting much. With XIV, they need to fix and innovate housing. A big thing is adding invidivual only wards as needed. As for the FFXI as part of tlmy XIV sub? Yes! Please. I would play XI again if that happened.
I kept my sub for FFXIV going for much longer than I wanted to because I had a plot. I pulled the band aid off and canceled my sub long enough now that I'm sure I lot it by now.
Ff14 should give either very cheap housing or free housing. Make options more robust. FF14 has quite a few limitations that other games have no issues with.
WoW has freedom to use almost any addons, and the only limitation will be the system itself. How flexible Blizzard will create it, that is the main question. WoW addon community is so big that in 1 month they will create addons to help you without the fear of getting a ban.
GW2 and FFXIV player here, as good as the homestead system is in GW2. You only can get your party (5 people) inside. No one else can enter. That means 5 PEOPLE. ONLY 5 PEOPLE CAN BE IN YOUR HOMESTEAD. It's a housing feature mostly for solo players (it allows their alts to roam around in the homestead) and small parties, and meanwhile XIV allows up to around 80-90 players in their housing. XIV Housing needs changes but it is fine right now.
So my opinion on the housing in FFXIV is this. I think it's fine the way it is with the whole lottery system and what not. I do think they need to add either more housing zones and/or more wards in each zone. And make them all accessible to FC's and players. Instead of having some wards fc only and then the rest mixed. Because some of the fc only wards have houses that aren't being used at least on my server. Also I really think and wish they would allow only one house per character per server. That way you can get houses for alts on different servers but it would stop the Jerks that own like whole streets all alts with the sameish name. That isn't fair. I noticed a few wards in the housing zones where one person owns like 7 houses all next to each other. That isn't fair at all. That's just being a straight up jerk. Also I don't think people are going to stop playing FFXIV just because the housing system isn't exactly what people want from it. SE is gunna have a hard time fixing it because of spaghetti code. Just because WoW is adding housing doesn't mean that people are going to leave FFXIV to play WoW. The game is lame and so is the community and the way dungeon content is executed. I decided to try it one night while 14 was down for world maintenance. And I was so over it in one night. I was not impressed and extreamly disappointed. Didn't have any kind if fun. So yah no I think 14 is ggunna be completely fine even if housing isn't fixed right away or at all. FFXIV has a way better community, the content is way more fun, the graphics are wayyyy better than other mmos and all and all the devs do a lot to try and make all of us happy. We are really lucky to have such a great dev team slaving away to make such an amazing game for us to enjoy and I'm sure as hell thankful to be a part of the 14 community. Wouldn't leave it for any other mmo ever.
Eh, I really wouldn't worry too much about WoW. FFXIV can make getting furniture and stuff engaging. I am going to say it now, WoW can't, because in all my years playing WoW I do not remember enjoying crafting a single time. Odds are it'll end up being another way to monetize the game. Probably barebones stuff as quest rewards while the rest is in the cash shop. Having said that, at this point I'm in favor of anything that puts a fire under YoshiP's ass. Dawntrail if nothing has been a show of how complacent they've grown over the years.
They have that whole catalog for you to preview limit you to a certain amount of housing items, why? If I want to tank my fps with 400 showerheads let me do that
as soon as i heard TenCent had a foot in on the mobile game i lost all faith, their the ones who turn any game they have power in into a cash grabbing game, I was excited for it but alas if its on the phone than microtransactions are not far
Honestly I'm more concerned about the mobile version being "free to play". Whatever they imply with that, but if the mobile players don't have to pay monthly subs I'll quit the game for good. Cause how else are they planning to make money with it? As FFXIV isn't a system for battle passes or gacha or other usual cash grabs. Ofc I hope going mobile finally gives the last push to add instanced housing but SE already proved multiple times that their wording often doesn't meet expectations at release. DT is the one current example, IS was too. So...I don't get my hopes up cause that would be too friggin cool to be real. This game is old and like most old ppl at one point they just don't want to change and improve anymore. I fear we're close to that point already. But I really want to be proven wrong in this regard. Instanced housing 4win!
it might just be noticing this but why does it seem that every miqo'te uses the same hairstyle and nothing else? just a lil something I noticed, good video though!
Oh if Blizzard does housing, I promise you they will implement it waaaaay better than Square-Enix. Square-Enix struggles with technology and software engineering. Whenever somebody asks Yoshida if FFXIV could do something every other MMO did 10 years ago, there's some data transfer issue, or an architecture problem, or whatever, and they can't do it. This is actually a common problem amongst Japanese game devs and one they're well aware of: they're way behind in tech. The reason why Japanese games are so successful is creativity, not tech.
They just want more profits, square is going in the red. Failed games, failed decisions feom the top. Investors pullig out. Money is all thats on their minds right now. With DT being what it is .. i cant see it as anything else
FFXIV really needs to up their game in many ways. I haven't played WoW in several expansions but I always said I'd go back if they add housing lol. I always hope that everyone's housing system will be like Wildstar but I at least hope it's similar to Palia and Guild Wars 2. If WoW housing is good I'd probably play it again especially because I've been pretty disappointed in some of the directions FFXIV has gone lately.
I don't think final fantasy would ever be in trouble or anything like that, i think this is just fearmongering. I started playing a few months ago and from what I understand it's always had a much bigger playerbase than say guild wars 2 and has been running for countless years and idk about world of warcraft but I never really got too much into wow even when my boyfriend tried to make me because the characters look too cartoony and blocky and stuff. I loved the cinematics of that game though those were great. i used to play guild wars 2 practically every day for years and I've finished end of dragons and stopped playing about when the expansion after that was released so I don't have any hands on knowledge about the housing besides the one everyone gets normally in each major racial city but my main point is decorating a home isn't an important part of an mmo in my opinion since you're just decorating a home (putting aside clubs and things like that for a second). What i find matters most is the friendliness and community of the playerbase is what keeps someone playing a game also there being a lot of things to do like quests and dailies and the look of the game, what I always admired about final fantasy even before I played was how pretty everyone looked. I also have made over thirty or so friends in this game already including the people in my fc where as I probably made around that or maybe more idk? over the years I was on guild wars but i feel like it's easier to strike up a conversation in this game, or maybe that's just my faded memory and extroverted personality. I do feel like focusing on how good houses are in mmos, as big a gil sink as it is and comparing that to whether people will play one game or the other, is like comparing how hot the bad guys are in different games and saying that people are going to play another game because there's a more buff shirtless guy in another game in that msq or a lady with bigger bahonkas. A nice thing with ffxiv's housing as well is how there's a neighbourhood with everyone's houses and you can stroll around and go inside everyone else's homes, I may be wrong but from what I understand other games don't do that? or none that I can think of and it adds to the realism and as I mentioned earlier creates more of a community and brings it all to life. I think we're just yelling at nothing here and everyone's free to play what they want and spend their time how they wish but as someone who's played other mmos I like final fantasy the most. also your friends aren't going to jump to another game either and it's a dps loss to play something else /jk
Honestly, when it comes to the housing issues for 14, lets just drop the idea of FF14 mobile being a worthwhile jump because gachas or mobile is a whole other matter. What Square Enix needs to do is push for more availability on housing and for the love of god fix that roulette crap for housing. Housing Ultimate is the real deal and still destroying players since it came out.
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Dude they just need to add increasing interior sizes into Apartments and the housing crisis will be solved 😭
100% hoping to see that'll happen. Only FC features and a lawn would be missing but you could technically use island sanctuary at that point for yard items.
@@KaiyokoStar Let me build a god damned house on the island!
@@hehashivemind6111this honestly like why can't we have a house it's our island
People seem to really want exteriors more than just having an interior space imo. I don’t blame them.
Only if I can make the exterior of my house looks like a European phone booth.
The Ward concept is a fantastic idea, but, like most ideas, SQuenix half baked it to save money.
To me the island sanctuary is what housing really should have been and it's a shame SE doesn't plan to do more with it in the future.
If you could add the current houses to the island and customize them I don’t think island sanctuary would have been looked at as negatively.
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That would be incredibly nice. It's good we can decorate it with housing items at the least, but yeah, this would probably make them a go to thing for a lot of people, especially FCs. Being able to turn an island into a sort of FC HQ would be dope.
Agreed. I have no clue why they continue to support this awful housing system that they advertise as a game feature when the supply is low.
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It's already a massive investment either way, and the Sanctuary takes a lot of time to get to and it's option content you can skip, would be the same for housing if it was treated sanely.
I still remember my worst experience, it was when Kugane opened. I was waiting by a sign board hoping for get a sport next to a friend of mine, then someone came up and snatched it at the last second. I was SO mad at that.
Housing forcing you to pay every month. Ffxi you everyone had a moghouse from day 1.
I'm shocked they didn't give us FF11 as a bonus sub, even a limited time one, before the alliance raid. It would've been great for the long content drought between patches and a good way for someone like me, who never played 11, to get invested in the alliance raid.
The FFXI servers can barely handle the 3000 odd remaining players spread amongst them (not counting multiboxers). There's no way they want a massive influx or it'll just obliterate the servers and the skeleton crew left running things won't be able to handle it.
Dude FF11 was awful...
@@MarcusMaybenot Be that as it may... it was my mistress for 10 years...
@@MarcusMaybenot Horrible....if you have no taste in MMOs. :v
Yeah no. FFXI has no real budget at this point, especially with the handful of people on the team. The last director even said so himself. This is why the game just constantly recycles content. Heck even the final boss of the new story didn't even have a modeling team to make a proper new model.
The game also barely has only 10 servers left, since a majority were fused due to the decreasing player count and also them planning to end the game when FFXIV (1.0) took off, which is why they were originally a dual sub deal back at 1.0 launch. After 1.0 failed, that uh...kind of blew up in their faces and then they tried to do the same with FFXI mobile, AND THEN THAT BLEW UP AGAIN. ;w; They don't have enough people to keep the game running properly if the player count would start having an influx of people from FFXIV. Hell, they don't even have a real GM team anymore, hence why the game is full of so many bots. Point is, they're never gonna do that.
There were so many MMOs or similar games that handled housing much MUCH better then FFXIV - even and already when 2.0 came out. SQEX needs to swallow their developer's pride and acknowledge certain things are old, outdated, and unpractical, and need a complete overhaul how this whole thing works. Thanks for the great vid Kaiyoko! ♥
Ppl need to realize housing was done better in other MMOs WHEN XIV launched housing, so the problem isn't now it's been always like that and the dev knows it, they admit as much several times. However at this point in time expecting them to trash the whole system and do something different is complete lunacy from a community that doesn't understand the inner workings on games and business. As heartless as it sounds housing won't change how it is implemented becuase as of now they've invested ALOT of money into housing, just look at the aditions over the years and saying they should just toss it because ppl really believe instanced housing would work (hint: it wouldn't island sanctuary couldn't handle the traffic of players on launch and that was with a forced kick of 30 mins of inactivity) is yet again lunacy. Sad as is to say this but Wow or other MMOs could give you a house irl and that wouldn't make SE change the system because it's just not worth the expense enough, not to mention you ppl won't like the fact you'll have to give up on some other content for it
"Give you a house IRL" wut?
i personally dont think anything will change till their backs is against the wall at this point i feel like they dont do things cause they know theres probably a mod to fix it wich is why when they banned the streamer with the timers it got put in the game next patch, the community likes to defend the devs no matter what so they feel they can just do whatever they want and get away with being lazy, until we see a mass exodus similar to how it happened in wow we wont see any change.
at this point there are so many issues in teh game they said they cant fix because of "technical limitations" that i just feel like its either them bullshiting us or they just flat out need a new engine
It's a 10+ year old engine that square enix pretty much forced them to use at gunpoint so until management above the studio gets their head out of the sand their isn't any real way to change it. Anyone who's seen the stories of the dev hell FFXIV was knows they can't do jack until that happens.
@@Runelee1 given squares track record to always feel like their untouchable and that they can't fail I don't see it happening ever either the game legit needs a mass exodus like jt happened in wow for them to wake up thats what happened to blizzard and now seems like wow in a bit of a decent spot
FF14 housing been in trouble since day 1 with the whole limited spot thing. GW2 just got housing recently and they literally give it to you for free by just progressing the story and you are given huge custmization ability for it due to Creator mode they have for housing items. Though I do hope they add new homestead themes in the future.
The houses in GW2 don't really exist in the world the same way, you can't even go to your friends house afaik unless they're online even.
It takes entire servers to run FFXIV housing. From what I gather, GW2 is an instanced house.
@@jrtime228 That's what people have been suggesting but people in the RP scene are mad with that suggestion as "it destroys the immersion for roleplaying". And don't say that it isn't feasible as we have Island Sanctuary which afaik it's not giving any problems so far.
IIRC, Yoshi P looked closely at what WoW had to offer at the time he revamped FFXIV for the 2.0 re-release. My guess is that he and the dev team are looking at how the competition implements housing, and considering how the current system in 14 could be improved. Like anything as complex as 14, though, changes are gonna take time to implement, probably with some glitches and bumps in the road along the way.
as a wow player since 2005 and FF14 player since 2.0 Beta wave 4, I do not think the wow housing feature will be as robust as one might think. If they are using the same framework as Garrisons but allow more slots to put things in (Wall decorations, trophies, pre-planned objects) It may attract long time players and people who have played casually but i don't think it will be the same level of customization as 14's housing. You won't be able to make proper night clubs so to say or go ham wild on layering objects. I just hope my FOS and unobtainable accolades do get to be displayed in my home cause I'm still proud of things like being there for the BC prelaunch event and the like.
Wow's 15 a month is still the same since it's launch price and while i do appreciate the extra game modes, I still look at the main game for it's majority value as the 'season' servers are only temporary game modes essentially and we have 2 versions of "Classic" one in Vanilla and one now heading to MOP with a third Vanilla in hardcore and more progression on the way. But base wow alone is worth the money still.
the framework for wow has been an engine used in Warcraft 3 since 1999. That engine alone has fallen apart a couple times yet they still do innovate as much as they can. If they do end up making housing more closely like 14, it would be a healthy competition to get players to see the other side. Even if the grass is a tad burned/dried there are still green pastures as much as 14 has.
Overall, all SE and Yoshi P have to do is make housing instanced, Let people start with a small to be allowed to upgrade up to a Large including the field and get rid of the demolishing.
Mikepreachwow actually asked the devs directly about it a while back and they straight up said it's not possible to do housing like in FFXIV in WoW due to spaghetti code issues.
This is going to be Garrisons 2.0.
@@MarcusMaybenot I swear "spaghetti code" has just become an industry excuse for when you don't have a good reason for not doing something.
@@DavidCruickshank while it is part excuse, Wow's engine is literally Warcraft 3's from 1999 just heavily modified and they've been using the same thing since then. Spaghetti code is an understatement as to the amount of times a major patch would 'break' the game for a while and reintroduce once 'fixed' bugs (The guild achievement spam being one of them)
They could potentially have had a working system a bit more than garrisons allowing basic x/y axis placement or squares to fill up spots and customize with turning things, but it may of caused an invincibility glitch with a random frog mob in the middle of nowhere to execute players for 5 million damage. there has been weirder things in wow's code every time major features are changed/updated because of it.
P.S: Blink still can cause you to clip through the world and other places since 2004. That is impossible to fix 20 years later.
I view it similar to Construction from RuneScape honestly. WoW will try to sell it but.. I just don't have faith in them. Hell, EQ2 had an awesome housing system back in 2004/5 and I don't think WoW will even be able to beat that.
Ion said in a recent interview said that it would not be like garrisons. He said it would not be tied to player power either. Ion also said that he did not like that the design of garrisons isolated players from other players in the game. I have hope that it will be better than 14’s system. Also I hope there will never be night clubs in wow housing, it harbors one of the worst groups in the 14 community.
everyone brings up gw2 and the new wow housing but OG mmo players knows that silly little runescape game had housing and did all kinds of crazy shit for it before housing in mmos was really a thing. There's no excuse ff14's housing is like it is lol.
I’m one of those losers who never played RuneScape in my school library and I feel like I missed out 🙂↕️
I remember Runescape housing, vaguely, but there was also PSO2, OG PSO2 gave each player a private quarters, only smol unless you got an upgrade though, but then NGS basically gives all players their own Island to build stuff on, and people can get really creative with those builds.
I take your Runescape housing and raise with Star Wars Galaxies housing and city building.
For a gamer released in 2012, FFXIV sure has a lot of design ideas from 2005.
I dont understand how it failed so hard on so many concepts that have been solved, many times, by other games, years before it released.
Its not like it makes one and a half billion dollars annually or anything
I think GW2 housing system was the kick in the butt Square needed .
It's definitly not made out of listening to the player base complains that they add in 7.2 or 7.3 the inside size choose for a fee.
Depending on Wow housing system, FFXIV will need to finally work on those instances housing
lol nah, as a player that loves housing, the gw2 housing items doesnt even look nice and cute. I love gw2 and ffxiv, but ffxiv housing system and items is waaaaay better...
@tayalt2406 Yeah. however. simply giving to everyone a customisable house to everyone without those needless restrictions...(Ex : my server has 15k houses and 500k players. ) is already a selling point.
I hope wow housing is amazing for everyone who wants it, but sadly I can't get past the wow aesthetic. Why does a simple table or chair always need to look SO FREAKING CHUNKY
YoshiP said their crew would check other MMOs's features and report to him. But we never notice there is any new feature absorbed from other games in recent patches.
I'm hoping they make housing cheaper, I keep trying to get a place so I can store the gear I don't use but it's kinda hard at 1.5 mil a piece
How have I never discovered you have a RUclips channel
when your community contributions to Fashion Report are so massive??
Another part of housing issues that has gotten worse is ever since dc travel and people deciding to flock to specific servers, theres even less incentives to have a house other than personal designing. No one stays at their home or socializes so theres no community, and unless ones on a busy server cant even chill at one to queue if from a less populated server
When you're with the loporrits at one point, they mention having a housing district there. I thought for sure they'd use it for instanced housing... Feels like the perfect framework for it. Maybe eventually they still will.
Don't get your hopes up too high. That's what ppl did with IS and we all know how that ended. But yes I'm definitely waiting for having either a house or only a room on the moon! I mean, come on how cool is that! ❤😎
I have lost it when they announced housing demolition back in the day and I actually don’t have a house anymore because I stopped playing for a while. I managed my housing items by having an apartment and stay there forever with no demolition warning. Since I also play GW2 I will visit there real quick.
Okay hear me out: Leave the current housing districts as FC only, and player housing as Wildstar had it: instanced housing where you get "an island sanctuary" for youself.
I genuinely believe it's doable and we should bring this discussion to the forums
That's actually how it used to be initially until they added personal houses awhile later hah
The fact that ESO wasn't mentioned at all is criminal. I haven't played GW2, I unfortunately didn't play much of Wildstar, (RIP, you didn't deserve to die) but ESO seems like it has one of the BEST housing systems in MMO's. Not only can you fully customise the interior of all houses, and exterior of houses that have them, if you really wanted to you could buy and fully customise every single house in the game. You can buy a house in all major cities, you can buy a house in a lot of zones out in the world, it's amazing.
14's housing system, IMO, is fucking atrocious. Having to fight other players to get a house is one thing, but because of that you have to constantly be logging in or you'll lose it. That's HORRID to me. The only cool part is having a neighbourhood where you can see other players houses, but given the nature of 14's housing system it shouldn't be the only one. The best thing Square can do, in my opinion, is copy ESO's system. Let us buy apartments or houses in all major cities that we can fully customise the interiors of. Let us buy houses in the games zones, I'd kill for a house in Amourot for example. Hell, let us buy an apartment in one of those apartment buildings in Solution 9.
Let us be able to customize the interior of all of them, and have some that have an enclosed exterior that we can also customise, and like ESO, let us be able to buy all of them. Have prices be based on the size of the houses as well, going anywhere from 10k gil for small apartments up to 10 mil+. It would be one HELL of a gil sink to buy every single house in the game, and you know people would do it. I'd certainly try to buy as many as I could.
On ESO specifically, I've never played it and also don't know much about it to have the context of their player housing.
@@KaiyokoStar Oh, fair enough. Like I said, it's an extremely good housing system that I'd like to see Square adopt into 14.
Also it wouldn't even be too horrid to also add some real money specials too, like more/bigger rooms or gardens or different designs or whatever. This way they can still have their infinite money subs from home owners but also additional income over players enhancing their housing in the cities.
I'd love to have a room on the moon and in Radz at Han! ❤
I know the game didnt last long in Global servers but MapleStory 2 had instance housing and lots; In every major city and the overworld zones surrounding them, plots of varying sizes ranging from 2x2 to the largest, a singular 9x9 plot, that you could decorate the outside of and put a banner ad which a lot of people used to sell items or advertise the theme of their house - But no matter where your plot was placed, it took you to your - ACCOUNT WIDE - instance house pocket dimension.
Thats another thing that I dont hear spoken of often; Making housing Account wide not only kills the need for players like me with 3 characters to want a house for each, (and on different servers/DCs, so I cant join an FC and go that route) but also limits the ability of a single person to use multiple shell characters to buy up whole wards. Yes the lottery system limited the risk of this, but its still worth discussing
When and if they do revamp the housing system into instanced housing, I both do and don't hope they don't lock it behind Island Sanctuary solely because that would shut out the free-to-plays that might be interested in the system. Island Sanctuary works to an extent, but full-on instanced housing should be accessible to everyone. Alternatively if you are willing to let the free-to-plays dangle for a while until Endwalker is part of the free trial (probably in 10.0) the Island Sanctuary is the perfect system to expand into full-on instanced player housing. Just add in a completely new building to become a player house, section it off into its own thing kind of like apartments are to current housing districts and make it the size of at least a Medium house.
As a WoW refugee and returning Shadowbringers-baby, can confirm housing is one of the most highly requested features in the WoW community
Kinda got my hopes for housing in FF crushed when I saw the Pint video on how expensive and hard it is to buy a house even with a group of friends combining forces. Getting even a small apartment would be amazing
Come to Saggitarius guys. Wards are half empty there. 🙃
I miss Wildstar now....Thanks Kaiyoko. One game that housing was a really fun thing to do on the side. Will be interesting if WoW housing is more FF like or GW2 like. The other way they go is SWTOR Stronghold route which is instanced.
Rift had a interesting housing system with their dimensions. The scale you could build was a lot like the GW system they have now.
Imagine if mobile game gets more qol and more housing to players before WE get anything. I really hate how Yoshi is out their happy go lucky promoting this when we had to endure the content draught of EW, thinking uwu our director busy with FF16, but no apparently a mobile game too...
I really hope WoW picks the pace cause I think SE think they're infallable and sitting on their laurals since the 'streamer rush' of ShB happened. Competition is good. I'll never play WoW and I played GW2 until I burnt out prior to coming to XIV. They really need to pour in more into FFXIV, we wait long patch cycles to be drip fed 'content'...
Why are house upgrades not applied to apartments? I've said it many times, upgradable/customizable apartments would be so helpful. Our current houses are instanced, you can't see the 'ward' from within, your house is just a door to a shoe box instance. I have a house, I want others to have houses too, we buy the game, pay a sub, why can't people have a house to customize? Are they really so scared to meet the demand that they'd no longer chain people to the FOMO of losing their house?
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Speaking of WoW taking ideas...didn't we have Yoshida and the dev team admitting that he made them play wow when working on ARR?
It's like Intel. Sitting on their laurels, thinking they don't have to innovate, they'll just keep doing what they've been doing. And somehow, the inevitable result is going to shock them.
the fact that they can give every single player a huge (and at some point useless) instanced Island, and not instanced housing is crazy to me...
I was a wow refugee, and even with housing I have no plans to go back.
I don't know why they can't do instance housing. THey have the Island sanctuary which you can place unlimited exterior housing items down, so they should be able to do the same with a whole house.
Fantastic analysis video, as always. Now onto a more important question. Who's house or FC house is that!!! :) Holy crap I thought I knew most of all the accoutrements in housing. I was obviously mistaken.
Edit: Mad Props to the Wildstar shout out. RIP.
"XIV players dont look at WoW as a competitor."
But they absolutely do. I see XIV players bring up WoW waaaaaaaaay more often than I see WoW players bring up XIV. WoW players have been living in a 20 year time bubble, and the only time that was briefly popped was during shadowlands. After Endwalker, most diehard WoW players I know promptly returned to WoW.
What I mean is, there are FFXIV players that hate WoW with a passion and refuse to look at it. It's just WoW BAD, WoW BAD. So they're never willing to have a discussion about the two games in comparison. They're essentially not looking at it as a competitor or they're in real denial. I didn't wanna focus on that in the video, so that's how I summarized it.
I am definitely one of those players who could care less about WoW and what's going on there. Housing in WoW would not get me to switch, but I agree that SE needs way more heat on the housing situation.
That's completely reasonable and how I'm looking at it too.
spitting facts. since 2014 i've had a love hate relationship and also is one of the main reasons I have had a consistent sub.... for just that alone I wish it was just bit better... user friendly and not a 2-3 day project of relearning how to glitch things into walls to have a nice virtual house. I'm a millennial and its probably the only house I'll ever own lol
I like the idea of the wards, giving a neighborhood feel... except its always a ghost town these days so meh...
I think some form of instance housing would be better ultimately, especially if it means you don't lose the house if you take a break
The easiest way to add instanced housing, without doing away with the "neighborhood" feeling they want to encourage with the housing wards... just update the Island Sanctuary, even if it's like "get to rank 25, or even 30" and that final unlock is clearing a plot and building your own house, with interior and exterior decorating slots equivalent to at least a medium house if not a large. Maybe you can choose which to do, with the option to upgrade later, but all it takes is materials and cowries. The bigger the plot/house, the more it costs.
All wards and plots simply become FC plots (except any that already have personal housing, or maybe the cost of a personal plot and house get fully refunded and the furnishings stored until you can transfer them to your island house.)
I reckon penthouse apartments with a roof 'balcony' that allows you to have some outdoor furnishings would be a good do between
@@misst5835 Yeah, and a small garden area on the balcony/roof so you can actually be able to cross breed plants.
Really enjoying these videos you've been releasing lately Kai, but more importantly than housing, when are you throwing another glam contest? I missed the last one 😢.
There is something "soon"! I'll post it on Twitter
@@KaiyokoStar awesome! I'll keep an eye out 👀
As a former WoW player, I can't say I'm worried about this at all. Blizzard has a long history of putting players on a rollercoaster, and then pretending that the player is in control of the ride. But the player never has any real control. This pattern will very likely lead to a poor housing experience. The Blizzard that you mention taking ideas from other games and doing it better....yeah. That Blizzard hasn't existed for at least a decade.
For real I feel a strong stench of bias there; in my experience they copy other studios work and do it far worse. Like the attempts to copy Shadowbringers that ironically resulted in the mass WoW Exodus to FF14
I lost my house when I had to take a break. At this point I doubt i'll come back since it's been so long they deleted all of my house items, including my wedding cake housing item. :/
the thing in wow i'm always thinking about there's two factions , maaaanyyy races and every race had it's own style in houses and areas that in canon it's belong to them like you can't expect housing elves in the human / orc cities , god this is going be hell of event lol < also me to ffxiv housing : " i don't want to play with you anymore"
lol if FFXIV mobile has instanced housing before the main game there will be hell to pay. It also wouldn't surprise me at all
I think that in the end, FFXIV will add an instanced housing option alongside what is currently available. This will satisfy a lot of people, but like island sanctuary, will have some significant limitations. For one thing, I doubt the instanced housing system will support the creation of nightclubs and hosting of large events. And exploring random people's houses will likely not be thing either. But that's fine for most people.
As someone who only has apartments, no housing updates matter to me. I already know there won't be anything in it for me.
I just want to be able to put furnishings anywhere and rotate them in any angle like in some other MMOs. On the other hand, if some people quit for WoW housing, then maybe I can finally win a mansion. 😂
I mean, we have apartments always available, so that tells me that people want exteriors. I’m not sure if they can/want to do individually instanced full houses, so I think that their only option is really just to keep adding more wards.
Apartments are quite small with a limited build budget. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but decorating a small house can be tricky to make anything interesting. Apartments even more so. More wards is a nice bandaid, but instanced on the Island would be the most ideal. Though other island spots with other biome types would be nice (like I prefer snowy to tropical).
If they do instanced housing it needs to be a completely separate system that everyone gets. Sure let people use the interiors we all know, but *everyone* should just get that house and it never demolishes.
I really love the community housing wards, having neighbours (especially active ones) is REALLY fun, its essentially a full ward of player self-expression and that adds so much to making the community feel alive.
I'd never give up my medium in Shiro, even if I just got a free large instanced house. It should definitely exist, mainly for those that can't afford/keep getting unlucky with housing lotteries or can't commit to a ward house due to demolition timers.
Hopefully, the stuff coming out from FFXIV's competitors, YoshiP needs to push innovation to make big changes.
Idk anything about programing so I know I'm just talking out of my ass like most ppl but I am so sick of my 2 favorite MMO's, WoW & 14, BOTH having the "spaghetti code" excuse for every single thing players ever ask for.....
Tencent. There's gonna be some gross monetization stuff afoot. Also, I have a house in FFXIV and I don't care if there's instanced housing. IN FACT, if instanced housing completely does away from the monthly auto demolition warning, I WILL BE 100% FOR IT! I do not want to have to renew my sub because my house is about to be destroyed. I'm already doing that now, but if these kind of changes happen, I will support it all the way.
no shot theyre moving to instanced housing in 14. mobile is just its separate thing. wards are already established and built into the story(firmament). i dont see them going through all that trouble to make such a huge change
Adding a joint sub or even a option to pay alittle more to to sub to both might actually get me to try of ff11 know has a free trial but it's not anywhere close to what ff14 offers but if I could try for a lower price I would be more up for playing 11
FFXIV needs instanced housing that has a big outdoor area for players who don't like having neighbors.
Keeping up a subscription for a house is also a reason why I haven't bothered with FFXIV.
If FFXIV gives us instanced housing with an outdoor area, I would absolutely play the game.
Hopefully competition breeds innovation? or atleast gives CBS3 leverage to convince SE to provide resources for big improvements to housing.
Pretty much gotta hope they're paying attention, but I don't wanna see them go crazy all at once and throw other systems to the side. It needs to just be gradually worked on.
Housing in XIV has always been a sore spot for me considering that I have my own 2 story Mog House in FFXI...yall remember that game. It's been out for a while.
I hope post endwalker - 7.0 is a serious wake up call for yoshi P and the development team. There needs to be more investment into the mmo itself rather than focussing significantly on other projects at the cost of the cash cow
I get their original intention was to make it feel like you're part of this world that you're in. However, It's just been... Not good implementation...
I honestly want to have it to where you can get a cheaper version of a Small/Medium/Large home that's instance based so that I'm able to finally have a place to go to where I can just chill and do some of the Home activities or even better Free Company Activities and that you're able to actually look up other players and host house parties like it's Runescape.
So weird they cut out Moghouses from XI for what they have now....
Because of the current housing system, the housing already in the game can never be instance based, it will never work. They COULD add NEW housing areas that incorporate instance based housing, but it would destroy the current system as it kill outdoor decoration
FFXIV does modern housing well.
I hope FFXIV does medieval housing next. Castles. Rustic decor and materials.
they just need to add the newest final city as a ton of apartment housing
this and also more new housewalls. we have so many nice different houses in the expansions. look at elpis, labyrinthos, shaaloani or earthenshire. so many possible housewalls and non of them are used. there could be so much variety!
ok coming from a point of view of a long time/term (2001-Present) MMO player Housing is the least of your concerns it is a little bit of an inconvenience anyway when you look at how to get out of the housing district without spending gil as you are ideally warping deep inside an instanced area that takes like 5-8 mins just to walk out to the major city (looking at the Firmament here).
However what are the pros and cons
Pro you get rest benefit and it is not the inn it is something you can customize
Con if you dont step into after so long it gets foreclosed on and now you lost all your money that it took to purchase it
Pro you can buy an apartment or FC room
Con the Inn is free and much closer to just logging in and being in a major hub
Not trying to say that housing is not an important aspect, to some players it is. But, FFXIV it is not. Also keep in mind that the current state of the game has been this way since like 2018ish?, and when Squenix/Creative Studio III decide to reverse the housing market and change the rules on it or make it available to all players. It will cause a major flood of players to it. I honestly thought they were heading in that direction with the island sanctuary and if was a flop...I was hoping they would pull a WildStar housing where you had all this land and space to do gathering practice, host, etc.
I think time will tell. For the RP'ers I know most of them make a ton of gil and can easily buy a house it just may not be in the district or location they want. you have to remember there is Limsa, Gridana, Uldah, Kugane, Corethas and each have 25 to 30 wards holding about 60 plots a piece while roughly 7000 to 9000 housing options are not a lot I am not counting how many rooms in an FC or apartments which there are 5 apartments all located in the same locations as I listed before for a flat fee of 500k and it falls under the same issue. If you do not go visit it every now and then you can loose it I think. And yes there are those players that have stupid amounts of cash that own an apartment, private house, and FC (guild) house...those are the exception to the rule but it does eat into the available resources.
Now I think a great quality of life would be instances for FC versus instances for private home buyers. meaning the ward that you would be looking are more geared for FC or personal usage. This way you dont have divisions in the wards. I also think that they should remove the inn and replace it with the apartments so you still have your own private instance of I think like a 100 furnishings allowed and it is not buried in the wards...but that is just one old gamers thoughts on the subject. Housing can always improve and any improvement just makes FF so much better in the long run.
Oh yeah, it’s not like a huge priority. That’s the reason I explained later in the video that I thought it should be something they work on in the background to update.
It’s just been a huge ask from people to give instance housing and they really missed the mark not including it with island sanctuary even though they allowed just outdoor furniture. To me that’s a clear indication that it’s possible.
@@KaiyokoStar I agree that they are not hitting the mark but we really don't know the demographic from which it is asking for more housing (*and yes island home sanctuary was a huge miss in regards to solving the housing issue*). Because of that the argument for should they fix it or not really plays more I think on individual player wants. For instance I am not opposed to having my own home, but do I need one? I think in the long run for possible new player engagement if Square or BC3 decide that it would bring new players to the game they would definitely develop more housing. But to pivot on this topic we could discuss how jank the lotto system is making it more painful for those that would like to have a player home.
I dabble in classic/ hardcore WoW and have little interest in retail. In GW2 I mainly did WvW but kinda lost interest when they introduced the warclaw mount as it didn't feel the same (plus my world kept getting stacked against and I loved Deso too much to move). Can't see myself going to either just for housing.
In FF14 I've always been a casual, solo player and don't do much these days aside from crafting, housing and doing the odd raid or dungeon. I have my dream FC medium in Lavender Beds and my private medium in Shirogane and am perfectly content with both. They'll get upgraded to mansion interiors and I'm happy with that as I tend to afk in either of them when I'm doing other things.
no way they would make instance housing because they won't be able to keep you stay subbing. It's that pathetic.
as someone who quit WoW after 15 years this year to play FFXIV, there is no way in hell WoW will ever have a competitive product with FFXIV. It just can't and won't ever happen
It is a competitive product with xiv. WoW overall has more subs than Xiv. Clocking in at like 10mil across all versions. XIV is currently in a massive slump in terms of new content and the issue of running out of old content is real.
@@JohnSomming Yeah myabe after 10,000 hours you'll find yourself without anything to do lmao. as a new player there is an extreme amount of content, not to mention everything from ARR to Dawntrail is relevant which is something that WoW doesnt have
Isn't that the same thing for WoW? Since you're a 15 year veteran, you've run out of things you wanna do in WoW. If a FFXIV player started WoW anew they would have the exact same thing happen.
@@EvanLaFrance I clocked in at like 220 days /played and had done probably 80% of the content when I quit in endwalker. As a new player it's great but the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
@@KaiyokoStar Its not the fact that I haven't run out of things to do on WoW, it's more so I've ran out of things I want/enjoy doing. WoW and FFXIV are two totally different games, they just so happen to share components of an MMO. FFXIV does a fantastic job of keeping content relevant and challenging whereas WoW leaves everything from previous expansions to rot
BDTH needs to be native and a lot of their clunky decorating issues would be fixed. Having "realistic" restrictions on item placement is such a killer to creativity. If they stopped having float limits, cut down the amount of snapping things did, and gave us the movement gizmo from BDTH their native housing abilities and appeal would be a lot greater. No one wants to build a house in game that's as fantastical as BDTH houses because it's truly hours upon hours or finicky float glitch nonsense.
They just need to expand the apartments.
I hope the devs realize that just because something is being done under the table by the community to make housing more bearable, making tools like coordinate positioning possible, doesn't mean that it's inherently a bad thing to implement themselves if they can find the time to set aside resources to make it official. The reason why Valve became successful is they took allot of the talent from their community and compromised by added some of them to their staff or just working with them to put a version of their creativity back into their games. Games like Team Fortress and Portal wouldn't exist without that, and now they are either making bank indirectly through microtransactions or are critical staples that make their brand look good - many years after they stopped making games and for the most part became the go-to distributer of most PC games. You still need to hold a leash on this stuff, so the dev team and parent company control the direction of the game for the business side of things - but if you can take a W from the community to an extent without even needing to do much work at all you might as well talk with them to adopt a sanitized version of what was created outside SE. I think custom shaders was a big first step towards that.
I mean its a recurring joke every time a patch implements some unexpected QOL: "Who got banned for modding this in that square had to make it themselves?"
I find it hilarious everyone has to give disclaimers when they simply suggest ways to make the game better because we all know that there will be a large group of who will jump in and act as if the criticism is in some way damaging to SE.
Will we be able to make flat out modern penthouses with plasma TVs in wow/gw2 ? Or art deco/japanese/gothic/whatever mansions, cottagecore and dozens of other wild themes ? I don't believe so 😂
On the accessibility side, FFXIV could(and should) be better. But on the artistic/creative side, it is light years ahead other MMOs so it prob won't be in trouble anytime soon 🤌Great analysis ! I'm still curious to see how it will evolve in wow and gw2.
The fastest way to improve current housing in FFXIV is to allow "expansions" to your house. Pay whatever amount of gil, and add a floor or two to your small house/apartment. Whammo.
they're adding something similar to that in like...the next patch. you'll be able to change the interior to that of a medium or large
The limit to stored glamours is more pressing imho
While I agree housing definitely can be improved, to be honest I'd rather they focus on fixing/modifying the game engine to support a proper transmog/collection system. The outfit addition in 7.1 gives me hope that they're working towards this. There's nothing that says they can't work on both of course, but if it is a resourcing issue, that would be my preference.
They really should limit how many houses you can get because I fr see one particular player that bought a bunch in bulk which makes it hard to get housing for players who don’t have any housing 😢
With Blizzards poor delivery I am not expecting much. With XIV, they need to fix and innovate housing. A big thing is adding invidivual only wards as needed. As for the FFXI as part of tlmy XIV sub? Yes! Please. I would play XI again if that happened.
I kept my sub for FFXIV going for much longer than I wanted to because I had a plot. I pulled the band aid off and canceled my sub long enough now that I'm sure I lot it by now.
Ff14 should give either very cheap housing or free housing. Make options more robust. FF14 has quite a few limitations that other games have no issues with.
Just switched from WOW to FFXIV and I'm so happy now
WoW has freedom to use almost any addons, and the only limitation will be the system itself. How flexible Blizzard will create it, that is the main question. WoW addon community is so big that in 1 month they will create addons to help you without the fear of getting a ban.
GW2 and FFXIV player here, as good as the homestead system is in GW2. You only can get your party (5 people) inside. No one else can enter.
That means 5 PEOPLE. ONLY 5 PEOPLE CAN BE IN YOUR HOMESTEAD. It's a housing feature mostly for solo players (it allows their alts to roam around in the homestead) and small parties, and meanwhile XIV allows up to around 80-90 players in their housing.
XIV Housing needs changes but it is fine right now.
Competition brings excellence. If WOW does do it better, then XIV needs to improve, and so on.
So my opinion on the housing in FFXIV is this. I think it's fine the way it is with the whole lottery system and what not. I do think they need to add either more housing zones and/or more wards in each zone. And make them all accessible to FC's and players. Instead of having some wards fc only and then the rest mixed. Because some of the fc only wards have houses that aren't being used at least on my server. Also I really think and wish they would allow only one house per character per server. That way you can get houses for alts on different servers but it would stop the Jerks that own like whole streets all alts with the sameish name. That isn't fair. I noticed a few wards in the housing zones where one person owns like 7 houses all next to each other. That isn't fair at all. That's just being a straight up jerk. Also I don't think people are going to stop playing FFXIV just because the housing system isn't exactly what people want from it. SE is gunna have a hard time fixing it because of spaghetti code. Just because WoW is adding housing doesn't mean that people are going to leave FFXIV to play WoW. The game is lame and so is the community and the way dungeon content is executed. I decided to try it one night while 14 was down for world maintenance. And I was so over it in one night. I was not impressed and extreamly disappointed. Didn't have any kind if fun. So yah no I think 14 is ggunna be completely fine even if housing isn't fixed right away or at all. FFXIV has a way better community, the content is way more fun, the graphics are wayyyy better than other mmos and all and all the devs do a lot to try and make all of us happy. We are really lucky to have such a great dev team slaving away to make such an amazing game for us to enjoy and I'm sure as hell thankful to be a part of the 14 community. Wouldn't leave it for any other mmo ever.
Eh, I really wouldn't worry too much about WoW. FFXIV can make getting furniture and stuff engaging. I am going to say it now, WoW can't, because in all my years playing WoW I do not remember enjoying crafting a single time. Odds are it'll end up being another way to monetize the game. Probably barebones stuff as quest rewards while the rest is in the cash shop.
Having said that, at this point I'm in favor of anything that puts a fire under YoshiP's ass. Dawntrail if nothing has been a show of how complacent they've grown over the years.
They have that whole catalog for you to preview limit you to a certain amount of housing items, why? If I want to tank my fps with 400 showerheads let me do that
omg the cat girl is not pink haired?
Generic Catgirl got lost in Limsa so she couldn't make it to the housing district for filming, I'm sure she'll be back for the next video.
as soon as i heard TenCent had a foot in on the mobile game i lost all faith, their the ones who turn any game they have power in into a cash grabbing game, I was excited for it but alas if its on the phone than microtransactions are not far
WoW housing is gonna be Garrisons 2.0. I have little faith in Blizz to now fuck it ontop of MTXing the fuck out of stuff.
I want to be invested in housing in FFX14, though the housing system now i refuse to participate in.
Honestly I'm more concerned about the mobile version being "free to play". Whatever they imply with that, but if the mobile players don't have to pay monthly subs I'll quit the game for good. Cause how else are they planning to make money with it? As FFXIV isn't a system for battle passes or gacha or other usual cash grabs.
Ofc I hope going mobile finally gives the last push to add instanced housing but SE already proved multiple times that their wording often doesn't meet expectations at release. DT is the one current example, IS was too. So...I don't get my hopes up cause that would be too friggin cool to be real. This game is old and like most old ppl at one point they just don't want to change and improve anymore. I fear we're close to that point already. But I really want to be proven wrong in this regard. Instanced housing 4win!
it might just be noticing this but why does it seem that every miqo'te uses the same hairstyle and nothing else? just a lil something I noticed, good video though!
Oh if Blizzard does housing, I promise you they will implement it waaaaay better than Square-Enix.
Square-Enix struggles with technology and software engineering. Whenever somebody asks Yoshida if FFXIV could do something every other MMO did 10 years ago, there's some data transfer issue, or an architecture problem, or whatever, and they can't do it. This is actually a common problem amongst Japanese game devs and one they're well aware of: they're way behind in tech. The reason why Japanese games are so successful is creativity, not tech.
if tensent is running it then yes it's going to be heavly monitized.
They just want more profits, square is going in the red. Failed games, failed decisions feom the top. Investors pullig out. Money is all thats on their minds right now. With DT being what it is .. i cant see it as anything else
FFXIV really needs to up their game in many ways. I haven't played WoW in several expansions but I always said I'd go back if they add housing lol. I always hope that everyone's housing system will be like Wildstar but I at least hope it's similar to Palia and Guild Wars 2. If WoW housing is good I'd probably play it again especially because I've been pretty disappointed in some of the directions FFXIV has gone lately.
SE won't do shit, they have their ego and they will stick to it.
Allow Orchestrions for outdoors.
Honestly they need a boombox or mount that plays your orchestrion rolls
Even Everquest 2 launched with instance player housing 20 years ago, I think at this point ff14 should give everyone instance housing already.
That Final Fantasy 14 Mobile is gonna be a damn mess. I'm all for it, but that's gonna be a doozy. Calling it now.
Literally, you're worried about nothing. Wow housing is legit going to be bought on the damn shop 100 dollars a pop.
Everquest 2 has great housing as well.
I don't think final fantasy would ever be in trouble or anything like that, i think this is just fearmongering. I started playing a few months ago and from what I understand it's always had a much bigger playerbase than say guild wars 2 and has been running for countless years and idk about world of warcraft but I never really got too much into wow even when my boyfriend tried to make me because the characters look too cartoony and blocky and stuff. I loved the cinematics of that game though those were great. i used to play guild wars 2 practically every day for years and I've finished end of dragons and stopped playing about when the expansion after that was released so I don't have any hands on knowledge about the housing besides the one everyone gets normally in each major racial city but my main point is decorating a home isn't an important part of an mmo in my opinion since you're just decorating a home (putting aside clubs and things like that for a second). What i find matters most is the friendliness and community of the playerbase is what keeps someone playing a game also there being a lot of things to do like quests and dailies and the look of the game, what I always admired about final fantasy even before I played was how pretty everyone looked. I also have made over thirty or so friends in this game already including the people in my fc where as I probably made around that or maybe more idk? over the years I was on guild wars but i feel like it's easier to strike up a conversation in this game, or maybe that's just my faded memory and extroverted personality. I do feel like focusing on how good houses are in mmos, as big a gil sink as it is and comparing that to whether people will play one game or the other, is like comparing how hot the bad guys are in different games and saying that people are going to play another game because there's a more buff shirtless guy in another game in that msq or a lady with bigger bahonkas. A nice thing with ffxiv's housing as well is how there's a neighbourhood with everyone's houses and you can stroll around and go inside everyone else's homes, I may be wrong but from what I understand other games don't do that? or none that I can think of and it adds to the realism and as I mentioned earlier creates more of a community and brings it all to life. I think we're just yelling at nothing here and everyone's free to play what they want and spend their time how they wish but as someone who's played other mmos I like final fantasy the most. also your friends aren't going to jump to another game either and it's a dps loss to play something else /jk
Yo read the title again lol, I never said FFXIV is in trouble.
Blizzard is adding housing but i bet its gonna be not nearly as good in the slightest as FFXIV
Honestly, when it comes to the housing issues for 14, lets just drop the idea of FF14 mobile being a worthwhile jump because gachas or mobile is a whole other matter. What Square Enix needs to do is push for more availability on housing and for the love of god fix that roulette crap for housing. Housing Ultimate is the real deal and still destroying players since it came out.