Tredegar House and the Morgan Family, Part 1: Origins.
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2023
- And so it begins..... Goff and Paul explore one of Wales' most storied dynasties: the Morgans of Tredegar. In this first episode we examine the legendary tales linked with the site, discover why a good rebellion appears to be in the Morgan genes, and tell the tale of the desperate situation that forced the family into Elizabethan piracy. King Charles I shows up too, although he is a most inconvenient guest.
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I have done my ancestry dna and found that Tredegar Morgans were listed as “direct” descendants in my thrulines. I am absolutely thrilled with the history and found the tomb of William Morgan of Tredegar buried in Westminster Abbey just last week on my first visit to the UK. So excited about this and to share it with my dad, who is an only child of an only child and had two daughters. We will still keep this name in the family!
Pleased to hear that you'll keep the name in the family! Hope you enjoy your first visit to these shores. The Westminster Abbey Morgan tomb has always been a little bit of a head-scratcher. He seems to have been buried there because of his relationship/kinship with the Mansel family, one member of which, as you know, shares the same tomb. Quite an honour to be buried there!
John Morgan’s son Charles had a child named (Col.) Morgan Morgan. He came to America and became the first settler of West Virginia. Col. Morgan Morgan and his son David (the Great Indian fighter) are my grandfathers. I love and appreciate this video. I’m so thankful I stumbled upon it. Kinda getting teary eyed watching this. It means a lot to me ❤️
~Andrea Morgan
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Andrea. Part 2 should be recorded some time soon.
Andrea Morgan.. my family name is Morgan as well. Apparently, my ancestor came to VA from Wales. Then to Eastern KY. Your family isn't from Leslie County KY are they by chance?
We are related!! Im from Fairmont and David is a great great grandfather of mine as well!!
Was it 3brothers who came to usa in the 1600s?
More information on your branch ? Why didn't they come back to wales?
A great past history on the foundations of Tredegar House and the early family. Thanks to you both.
I am a direct descendent of the Tredgar Morgan’s. My family gave me books that have our history in it and my ancestors were wild lol.
Fascinating stuff. I am always intrigued by the rise and fall of great family estates.
Absolutely mindblowing... I dont even know where to start. As a student of Morgan genealogy (that really started in earnest with lockdown, oh, a few years ago) this has given me a new perspective on many of the historical Morgans and origins thereof, as you say, and people I have always wondered about, like the 93 year old William Morgan (one of my favorites) and what happened during the time of Henry VII and Charles I. I have spent countless hours exhaustingly documenting this family on my tree, so this is quite meaningful. Yes, I have a list of questions for anyone who wishes to answer: 1) The Fish Pond - looking at the old and new maps I see there was and still is a fish pond. Since there was reclaimed land from the salty marshes and also fresh water coming down from the mountain, what kind of fish were/are in the pond? Salt water or fresh water fish? 2) I see there was a Pencarn, Middle Pencarn and Greater Pencarn - what was the "Gravel pit"? (btw I agree this is potentially where Sir Henry grew up or worked). 3) Why are there sooo many coats of arms for the Morgans out there,? ...And thank goodness I finally have the original crest of the Morgans (a Griffen on Yellow background). 4) Sir John was there when Richard III was killed and buried (supposedly in a church yard at the time, willing to take his body, now a car park).. Why did it take hundreds of years to find him? 5) What happened to Sir John's tomb and/or effigy? the large crack - is he in there, or buried elsewhere? 6) Lastly, what do you think the first thing people are going to do when the podcast is over? Seaching for Ham on Wiki? LOL.. Thank you again for this amazing work, you two are simply my fave podcasters!! 💝💖 so loved and appreciated by me 🥰
Thanks for your kind words. As for your queries, Catalina:
(1) 'The Fishpond' is a man made fresh-water lake, created by the Morgans in the 1790s.
(2) A gravel pit is simply a quarry for gravel. Pretty useful for new roads and paths (and other construction), the Morgans would have been planning for their new house.
(3) Family crests alter and expand as families do. There were so many off-shoots of the Tredegar Morgans, who had their own crests. The one we displayed here would have been an 'escutcheon' - the supposed sigil on the literal shield Llywelyn ap Ifor and the earlier Morgans would have carried into battle. The coat of arms of the family became much more elaborate over the years. There is a version in the Dining Room window of Tredegar House, dating from the reign of Queen Anne, where the Morgans display 24 quarterings (symbolising the various glitzy marriage alliances over the centuries.) This is sometimes referred to as a 'heraldic achievement.' I prefer the simpler, original griffon shield, I think!
(4) They couldn't be certain what had happened to the body of Richard III. There were conflicting reports. There was a suggestion that he had been buried at Greyfriars Priory in Leicester, but that building had not survived Henry VIII's ruthless dissolution of the monasteries and had been demolished in 1538. The site had been built on ever since. It was almost a miracle that they found Richard where they did.
(5) Sir John Morgan, although buried somewhere at Newport Cathedral (St Woolos) he is not in a tomb anymore. It has been suggested that his tomb was 'badly mutilated by parliamentarian forces during the civil war' (Octavius Morgan). What we have now are only surviving fragments of his once fine memorial. The cathedral still has an excellent tomb dedicated to a member of the Herbert family, though. I wonder why that survived?
(6) Ah, yes. True enough. I wouldn't hold your breath for a 'Ham The Accursed' podcast anytime soon, though.
@@littleknowledgepodcast674 Of course, you are most welcome. Thank you for the comprehensive response!
David Morgan the Indian Fighter is also my great great etc grandfather! I’m from Fairmont West Virginia and we are all very proud of our Morgan Heritage!! My family is going to Wales next year to see Treadgar House ourselves we are so excited!!
I hope you enjoy Tredegar House when you visit. I'm quite sure you will! It's a fantastic place.
Fascinating podcast! You might be interested to know there has been recent archaeological research conducted at Tredegar House looking at the origins of the current building, and any potential 'earlier bits'. I loved the idea of Morgan and his chair of justice in the Servant's Hall but in all likelihood the hall was on the first floor as they often are in this region.
Superb history and friendly presentation. You are aiding art, too, if I dare call my novel that. Many thanks!
Now, you've got us interested. I assume it is a historical novel. What period?
Yes. I’m writing an absurdist comic fantasia, set primarily in and around Swansea in the rather unfunny year of 1934.
I’ve named two brief characters after you, because I’ve enjoyed your show so much. Never fear. All my characters are whole cloth, and these two are friendly people anyway.
If you are truly interested, or if anyone you know might be, I shall need Welsh or Welsh-knowledgeable readers to try it out and tell me of any gross errors, as I am not Welsh. If read through to the end, I promise enjoyment and laughs, but I also expect nothing, should anyone put it down at any point, for any reason. Goodness knows, I’ve shelved some of the greatest books in the known literature, so I expect no more or less. I’m only three chapters from done, and then it goes to the agents.
Let me know, if you will, or ask around, if you also will. Otherwise, thanks again for such an entertaining and interesting show!
I would like to learn more about Ty Mawr Newport. Its a nice looking property
You didn't mention that John Morgan that met Henry Tudor upon his arrival had a son who became the head of Catherine of Aragon's household, he died of the sweating sickness at some point, and his cousin's daughter, Anne Morgan, married Henry Carey, the son of Mary Boleyn....
No Kevin, you are quite right. There is a lot of material that didn't make the cut - and even then the video was rather long. I'm sure we'll catch up with some of those Morgan offshoots in the future. Plas Machen, in particular, is a fascinating property. Thanks so much for watching.
My partner is related to the morgans from tredegar house :)
Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant. Am I living on the spot where Pencarn once was? And exactly where was Saint Gwladys buried and where was the well or spring?
I wish I knew the answer to those questions, Chris. The well would have been close to the railway lines because the bathhouse over it was demolished when tracks were laid. It was somewhere near the banks of the River Ebbw. Gwladys also had an 'ancient chapel' dedicated to her nearby, too. We need to look into this more closely, I think, and have a 'hunt for St Gwladys'. Her hermitage was definitely said to have been at Pencarn, although Gelligaer also have a claim to her.
arddechog, excellent
you have surpassed all expecations,
a wonderful start to the morgans of tredegar,
absolutely fascinating episode, keep up the great work...
are you sure that goff , is a morgan? l lol :P
he always drinks amareto, orginated in saronno , the dukes of savoy drank it...
please ask him l,
to drink captain morgam rum,
on the second part of morgan family....episode
named after ...Harri Morgan; 1635 - 1688 of llanrumney...or maybe rhymney near treadgar,,,
diolch, danke, merci, gracias, obrigado...
Very kind of you. I think Goff only drinks amaretto at Christmas time, but you are right - the rum would suit him better. Years ago, he actually played Captain Morgan at the old Tredegar House 'Pirate's Day' event. He was very convincing. Must have been his Morgan blood.
So we are related to Moses (Jews) and also Yorks, Beautiforts and other historical figures? Distant cousins of the royal family and lost noble family from wales. Part of the Arthurian legend and the 108th High King of Ireland?
So much history people probably think we’re mental.
Great podcast. Have you ever seen any records regarding the shooting ie guests number of birds put down numbers shot and employees. Also there are still ruins in the woods above the motorway of gwern y cleppa.
There is a Game Book among the Tredegar Papers at the National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth that used to belong to Courtenay Morgan. Each shoot is documented, along with a postcard picture of the venue (Tredegar, Ruperra, Longleat, Wilton House etc). The number of birds are astonishing.
@@littleknowledgepodcast674 thanks for the information about the shooting at tredegar house.
I just went down the rabbit hole on ancestry and landed here
I hope the landing was a soft one, James! Thanks for watching.