I wish CANZUK would become a country or at least have a free trade agreement and travel zone. Citizens should be able to live and work in any CANZUK country and possibly the US as well as
There's issues with this but it's better than 99% of alt history on this site. What people don't seem to get is Britain chose to withdraw from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It was not 'American Pressure', but the decision of the Foreign Office.
Churchill declared that Australia was on her own in 1942. So did Harold Wilson in 1968 under his East of Suez strategy. Neither Churchill nor Wilson have the proverbial rats what Australians thought.
What if america went full colonial. Annexation of Baja and Yucatan Pennisula. FORCED Purchase of Greenland. Colonizing and settlement of Carribean territories Taken during the Spanish American war. What if after colonizing Phillipines, it annexed and colonized Fermosa, Hainan, and Sulawesi.
They'd be considered hypocrites by most of the world. During Victorian times and pre-WWI, US imperialism would be especially hated by the locals (e.g. they imposed Jim Crow when occupying the Dominican Republic and Haiti, I imagine they'd do the same in many spots) Calls for greater autonomy would occur after WWI, secession after WWII and with both conflicts being bloodier in this timeline. Secession would happen with most major territories, with Washington having less non-contiguous territory than now, with even some Native American reservations breaking away from a weaker, more fractured United States. Today the US would remain significant on the world stage due to many foundational advantages, but far less powerful and more fractured after pissing public money and public trust up against the wall.
Very Great video 👍🏻 Another alternative for a surviving British Empire is for the Imperial Federation movement to actually be successful. A scenario where Britain, Ireland the dominions and other white settler colonies form a closer union that brings the empire closer together without infringing upon the dominions current autonomy. After WW2 the Imperial Federation would likely still grant India and most of the none settler colonies independence but being in a much stronger position would still maintain economic dominance over the independent nations and still likely hold onto key areas like Suez, Brunei, Hong Kong and potentially Singapore. CANZUK is very different to a surviving British Empire but Its definitely something I would like to see happen and definitely has the potential to be a reality some day 🇬🇧🇳🇿🇦🇺🇨🇦
The problem I have with this interesting scenario, is that all these alternative cost money. Britain was seriously broke after WW 2 and heavily in debt to the United states, thanks larely to Lend Lease.
@@d.airhorn3702Also without Russia's Eastward expansion, China 🇨🇳 along with Manchuria and Mongolia 🇲🇳 would colonize Siberia instead, Japan 🇯🇵 would colonize and claim the Sakhalin and Kuril Islands while Alaska would be a British 🇬🇧 colony and Canadian 🇨🇦 province.
Could you do a scenario where the age of imperialism and empires never ends and continues into the age of space colonization and exploration (Also great video👍)
@@me8478 the Galactic British Empire???? Palpatine does sound British and much of the Republic/Imperial Navy and army officers sound British. Maybe this could be an interesting scenario lol.
if you think about it the main reason for the American revolution was taxes so if Britain focused on that they then they could keep America for a lot longer
the founding fathers were originally very willing to compromise. If the british came to an agreement with the continental congress then after america's rapid rise in the 19th century we could have seen a dual monarchy of sorts.
Could have gave representation but then the people living in Britain might not have liked colonists thousands of miles away voting on issues that effect them.
@@ENGLISHMURPHY could not as it would have taken months to get information between the locations due to the nature of travel at the time. how is a colonist suppose to represent the colonies if everything they hear about is at least four months old?
20 seconds in and you've effectively put Scotland on par with Ireland as a seemingly conquered country instead of a member of the union. Scotland played just as much of a role in the empire as England and Wales.
CANZUK is coming together slowly. We are seeing new trade agreements, loosened visa requirements and greater cooperation between the member countries. The only thing we need, really, is official enodorsement from all four countries.
Austria and Ottoman Empires could collapse in between 1920s - 1930s Russia could have a revolution, removing the Tsar and maybe the Mensheviks could come to power, no violence! America would stay isolationist and the rest is relatively the same
You guys couldn’t afford it. It’s like having a nice car after being ceo, but you crashed the company and lost your reputation and income. So you had to turn in all your nice stuff before the bank took it. At least you still have your skills though
@@dalton6108 Well, it's more like they spent 1000 years of accumulated wealth to fight Hitler and Mussolini (controlling most of Europe) entirely on their own for years, and then Hirohito in the East when the Japanese bombed America (Britain declared war on Japan before America did), and did so all at the same time to ensure the freedom of the peoples of the earth from tyranny. They did it without being themselves threatened or attacked first, and despite the offer of peace from the Axis. It wasn't really a car crash, it was an act of unbelievable sacrifice, unmatched in all of human history.
Delusions of grandeur ! How about being a normal country with just laws and free from prejudices with none of the nonsense of rule brittania or my country right or wrong or the glorious dead.
A federation and constitutional monarchy, with many aspects of the EU. It was heading that way, before WWI hit during economy crisis. The empire needed reforms, but it was developed country which could have existed till nowadays if few things were different. I agree that would be an interesting video.
An English writer said the Sun never set for the average Englishman. He said that was because the sun had never risen for the average citizen. England, Israel, and France seized the Suez Canal. Eisenhower took steps to restore control to Egypt. The King of England recently visited a former colony go gave them a "sorry about that".
@@CarlosRomero-u6hIt took 200 years to pay off the debt, not to mention the cost of the Royal Navy policing slavery for the next 60 years, you seem to prefer the slaves to be kept as slaves so at least we know what side of history you'd be on.
@@Hex___666 Don't second guess me please. The British government had shares on the East India Co so they we're just paying themselves. It was all smoke and mirrors. I'm on the side of justice not hypocrisy.
@@Hex___666 To this day there are still MP's owing states in the Caribbean formerly built on slavery. Some of them have the decency to make some reparations other have turned a deaf ear.
That’s the even better timeline which leaves them even stronger. To me that scenario is only outdone by Britain giving the 13 colonies their own parliament so they have the representation they wanted preventing the Revolutionary War. This allowing for Britain or rather either the North American Dominion or United Kingdom Of America to control nearly all of North America i definitely see manifest destiny would and eventually still happen and the UKA/North American Dominion would still push west eventually reaching the Pacific. But I see it would be a lot stricter in order for the Natives to have their own states likely being British protectorates. Britain now easily being the largest Empire In history it would have a much larger white population and an unrivalled industrial capacity mixing the core industrial regions of Britain with the vast industrial might of their Autonomous American Kingdom it would make Even France and Germany combined look like nothing in comparison. The British Empire would reform into an imperial federation but a much much more powerful one and when WW1 breaks out with Britain being able to pull such an enormous force to the western front from the start of the war it’s possible for the war to last only 2 years rather than the gruelling 4 years in OTL. Afterwards the Imperial Federation would likely return to splendid isolation eventually granting the none Anglo settled Colonies independence still maintaining dominance over them and holding onto important territories like Suez and Singapore, and likely hold onto their title as the dominant global superpower, with other nations like, France, Russia, China Japan Germany and maybe Spain if they reformed their empire as other global powers.
Were they starving before the Britts arrived ? It is however a historical fact that over 100 million Indians starved whilst under the care of the British Empire
@@CarlosRomero-u6h Carlos nice Spanish name them poor people off centre America and south America that got killed by the Spanish empire you should go back to Spain
This is basically if the UK parliament had more intelligence and less arrogance in running things from 1890 onwards. BTW where's South Africa and Zimbabwe on the commonwealth map.
@@noodlyappendage6729 A politician trying to make the imperial federation, which was a US state type system but with the Empire, said Britain absent mindedly conquered the world. Rings true, there was no long term planning, I don’t think it was arrogance but the “It’s sunny now, but it’ll rain later” attitude, eh who cares about a federation they’ll probably just leave or revolt anyway, that’s a money sink and a embarrassment
Overlooks a few important events such as Churchill's abandonment of the Empire through adoption of Europe First in WWII and Harold Wilson's withdrawal from East of Suez in 1968 in order to redirect money to welfare. Churchill's plan was to recover the colonies after the defeat of Germany in WWII even though it meant millions of British subjects living under the brutality of Japanese occupation for three or four years. The loss of prestige and moral authority meant that the British were never in a position to maintain the Empire. The Australian government thought Churchill was mad to follow Europe First because it inevitably meant the loss of the Empire and along with it Britain's status as a global power. The reality is that British strategy in WWII drove Australia into the US sphere of influence and the British have had no real influence over Australians at the governmental level since 1942. Wilson didn't take any notice of Australian complaints over the withdrawal from SE Asia in 1968 either. Same story with complaints over the end of Commonwealth trade preference in the 60s and 70s with British applications to join the EEC under MacMillan, Wilson and Heath.
Could you do l what if the Portuguese Empire never fell and kept the overseas territories like Guinea Bissau, Angola, Mozambique Cape Verde, Sao Tome and Principe ,Goa, East Timor and Macau
I’d love to see one where all European Empires don’t fully fall, Britain maintains the 13 Colonies eventually forming into the United Kingdom Of America/Dominion of North America, as well as maintaining their other dominions in Australia New Zealand and South Africa and other settler colonies eventually becoming the imperial federation. Spain reforms and giving similar autonomy to all their Latin American colonies as well as their Caribbean and Pacific colonies. Same with Portugal with Brazil and their African Colonies, and France with their African colonies and maybe Quebec. The Dutch hold onto Belgium and a small colony in South Africa where Britain holds the rest, they too give the Boer colony, Belgium and Indonesia great autonomy. Perhaps Russia gives Autonomy to Poland Finland and other regions to allow them to remain in the empire. Germany holds onto their African colonies possibly also gaining the Congo to form Mittel Africa and eventual they too give them greater autonomy. And lastly Austria Hungary reforms into the Habsburg Realms or United States Of Austria giving greater autonomy to the Slavic peoples in the empire. And maybe as a Bonus the Kalmar Union survives too. What do you think of the scenario i came up with and where would you take it from there???
What about territories in the Indian ocean like the Maldives, Seychelles, and Mauritius? Are they given independence, or do they stay in the empire since we don't give up as much territory in this timeline?
The 13 colonies gained indepwndence in the late 1700's, this scenario starts in the late 1800's at the height of the empire. The 13 colonies were not a part of the empire at the time this scenario is set.
@@EkamjeetS The video is about "what if the empire never fell." There is no date to this and one would assume the 13 colonies would be involved in this hypothetical as they would have "never fell."
@@GojiMasterZokay, then what about the rest of the USA? There was still like 35 other states that were not apart of the British Empire, sooo what would happen to us 😭
It was a part of the British Empire, but the early British Empire in the 1700s, before they had all of India and so much of Africa. So the British Empire at its height is after it lost the US (the 13 colonies).
The deal was with Qing Dynasty which no longer existed because CCP destroyed it so we could have said the deal is now void but we weren't powerful enough by 1997
I think what most people forget or don't realise, controlling a planet is hard work and very expensive. China and Russia like to think they are up to the task, but they can just about keep their own country's together. If you can not sort out your own domestic problems, you have no chance of dealing with international policies (other than using them to deflect attention away from your domestic problems).
9:08 “The commonwealth has a population of 220 million” Uhmm what ??? India alone has a population of 1.3 Billion people. It is a member of the commonwealth now, so in this alternate scenario, it’s almost certainly still a member.
Nothing "changed" in the American elite. Most actions from the USA taken during the Cold War was legit entirely out of fear of communism and the rise of dictatorships. And while the USA is indeed a superpower, but that doesn't make it an empire, after all, at the end of the day, the USA mainly focuses on its own interests when it comes to their international affairs, the USA is still not open to free trade agreements, which is definitely left over isolationist policies. The USA only has free trade agreements with 19 countries, most scattered around the world on different continents except for Europe or South America.
you should make another space video this time like focusing say on the distant future like of the solarsystem not like a century or 2 from now but when mars or somthing actually starts catching up to earth somhow or you know what maybe even 1 on venus since nobody ever talks about venus colonisation besides some cloud city but i sure as hell wanna see a masive venus civilisation
i dunno bout ireland bud the irish are probably top 3 hardest nations to conquer without straightup genociding (which is obv not good) this is cause they are goated and got that dawg in them
I wouldn't say top 3... They often found themselves being invaded by the Nords, Anglos, and Scots (They invaded back btw) way before England's rule over Ireland. Who all of thise people's established a presence with cities and various realms. Least to say, Ireland is like... Typical nation conquest wise?? Also, by that point, Ireland had already been under British control for about 200 years (?) MAYBE even longer. So it's not too unbelievable that giving them a parliament with some land reform would make them happy enough, specifically because that's sorta what they originally wanted.
Britain became to stretched and gave most of the empire up..even in the American war of independence, we didn't concentrate a big enough force to defeat the Americans and French..
Without the World Wars they would have lost Canada anyway. America’s population and gdp was exploding and America would have declared war on Britain for Canada. Without Canada and their cheap discounted resources Britain would have had to slowly degrade. They wouldn’t be able to keep up the defense of their other regions. Australia can’t match the Japanese, India can’t match Russia, Africa was in direct competition with locals and other Europeans, and Britain itself had to keep a large navy at home for Germany and France. Britain needs America to not cause a domino affect
After WWII, we had our WWII pledge for U.S. involvement. The U.S. was our banker and they dictated what we did. To bring some serious coffers into our economy we had to sell Jet engines to Russia. This came back to bites us in the Korean war!
Canada? I think that you are forgetting about someone who’s usually never in these what if the British Empire stayed around what if the British Empire came back with all its territory literally the eldest child and keeps on gaining forgotten about
He showed Canada on the maps, but skirted over what Canada's role is in the alternate history. The scenario picks up after Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Newfoundland and South Africa were given Dominion status. By 1933 The Dominions were given indpendent status with the exception of the Constitution. Once a Constitution was developed, the Dominions were fully indpendent. Canada's role in the Commonwealth was skipped. I like the alternate history he presented. I am a CANZUK advocate and would like to see it ratified. Especially now with the current struggles in the U.S.
I am afraid I don't buy most of the suggested developments in this video. It's easy to say problems in Ireland could have been resolved, but its not so easy to point to how that could have been done. In reality the post war government wanted to dismantle the Empire as quickly as possible, I really don't see how doing so quicker, without preparing would have been better. Nor would there be any real value in keeping or spending money on developing places like Cyprus. Even the Suez canal was only of value to us when we had an Empire or if there was an income to be derived. Running it for the good of everyone would be very noble. Oh and Margaret Thatcher would still have won in 1983, the Falklands did boost her, but she really won because the economic medicine was starting to work and the Labour opposition put forward a far left programme, splitting the left and nearly coming third.
The British Empire not falling? Wow! Well, Britain would have had to have avoided fighting WW 1. By doing that, Britain might, just might, have kept it's empire. Quite what the outcome of WW 1 would have been is debatable.
I don’t think you realised how technological advanced the UK was from the 1820s to the 1930s, advanced navel capabilities and then post WW2, although heavy destroyed and economically destroyed it recovered far quicker than most of the rest of the world. The commonwealth is the offspring of the old empire. So before European trade agreements you had commonwealth agreements to boost economic growth, all this missed out in your analysis. I am sorry, but if I have you an exam result I’d give you a C-
I frankly can't see this scenario working. Firstly the Irish reforms would not only be strangely out of character for a Britain that had treated Ireland so consistently poorly as it did, but would almost certainly not be successful. Perhaps it could stall Irish independence but the famine made it a certainty, as soon as Britain is not in a state to put an Irish rebellion down (like after or during ww2) they would loose the island. I also don't see why any of the white settler dominions would consent to a plan that would limit their autonomy, by the end of ww2 their independence was a practical certainty and they wouldn't be interested in an organisation that would tightly bind them to Britain when they could be functionally independent. As for areas of key strategic interest I also struggle to imagine them holding it for long, Hong Kong for example was only leased to Britain and eventually they would have no legal right to keep the island, as for others they would have immense pressure to give them up by the United States and the Soviet Union, their Middle Eastern possessions especially would give America a head ache as it would permanently damage the wests relationship with the Arab world and thus pose issues with Israel normalization, especially after Britain pretty much swindles the Suez from Egypt. With the Arab and broader Muslim world against them and the US pressuring a handover behind the scenes I cant see Britain holding onto them into the modern day. Fundamentally for the scenario to work you need to change more and change them earlier, a few POD's I think might be more suitable to produce the result in the video might be, no Irish famine (or at least one where the British actually combats it) and where Britain begins a slow reconciliation with Ireland, and a less devastating ww1 and ww2 for Britain, since these were really the conflicts that broke the Empires back.
India can't stay united in any scenario . Pakistan territories wanted more autonomy from the union in return for staying . If union had agreed to those terms other states would have also demanded autonomy .
He means Britain should have offered peace to the Nazis, or maybe even possibly joining an alliance with them. Which in the long term, would secure Britain’s ever declining empire.
This is more or less the strategy I saw in Donald Trump's foreign policy. Acknowledging that world affairs were gradually eroding superpower status but maintaining more strategic weight by concentrating on key alliances and points of interest. Trump's focus on Israel, Japan, Canada, Mexico, the Gulf States, Taiwan, and the UK as the backbone of their "empire" over the overextended world policing the Liberal Interventionist IR theory that dominated America since the 90s was a novel approach that is probably more tenable than continuously sticking fingers in every pie all over the world.
The lease for the New Territories was pretty poor negotiating skills on the British part. Why on earth didn't we push to get the New Territories in perpetuity!?
Erm, Ireland *was* a part of the country. It was a part of the Union. Hence why it seceeded from the Union. I didn't even watch the rest if that was the low standard of the video.
@@thinkwithaportalnot in terms of the law, that’s why I don’t want CANZUK New Zealand is uniquely more influenced by American values of freedom over safety and social cohesion
I wish CANZUK would become a country or at least have a free trade agreement and travel zone. Citizens should be able to live and work in any CANZUK country and possibly the US as well as
The groundwork seems to be slowly being laid.. you can already become a citizen in AUS/NZ if you serve in their military as a brit
Sounds like Europe, so nope. Canada also has too many French people.
@@barryevans791 You are funny
@@Akovor_ You can also legally emigrate and become a citizen.
Sad fact: People with autism/adhd cant move to australia
As a Briton, this is one of my favourite Neatling videos.
There's issues with this but it's better than 99% of alt history on this site.
What people don't seem to get is Britain chose to withdraw from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It was not 'American Pressure', but the decision of the Foreign Office.
Too an extent they didn't even really withdraw these 4 just kind of went their separate ways eventually
Churchill declared that Australia was on her own in 1942. So did Harold Wilson in 1968 under his East of Suez strategy.
Neither Churchill nor Wilson have the proverbial rats what Australians thought.
@@guyh9992 When did Churchill say that
@@guyh9992Australia’s independence had nothing to do with Churchill. Australia gained independence WELL before he was Prime Minister.
A really fascinating and well-presented video with some interesting detail.
So Britain is in a far better state in this world neat
France & USA be like: 👀👀
@@beasley1232USA is possible to outcome UK but France? Maybe
What if the Spanish empire never fell
I second this!
or if reunited
I like this idea, its something ive never seen on youtube before
Y’all would be eating tacos every day 💀
A whole bunch of second world nations if the spanish empire never fell. Terrible colonial history have the spanish.
What if america went full colonial.
Annexation of Baja and Yucatan Pennisula.
FORCED Purchase of Greenland.
Colonizing and settlement of Carribean territories Taken during the Spanish American war.
What if after colonizing Phillipines, it annexed and colonized Fermosa, Hainan, and Sulawesi.
Yes, please do a colonial America.
With coloniazation of the Pacific and Carribean.
Not the standard alt hist ANNEX Canada and Mexico.
@@huskystevo4131
Yyeessss.
greatest ending
A better world, its never too late
They'd be considered hypocrites by most of the world. During Victorian times and pre-WWI, US imperialism would be especially hated by the locals (e.g. they imposed Jim Crow when occupying the Dominican Republic and Haiti, I imagine they'd do the same in many spots)
Calls for greater autonomy would occur after WWI, secession after WWII and with both conflicts being bloodier in this timeline.
Secession would happen with most major territories, with Washington having less non-contiguous territory than now, with even some Native American reservations breaking away from a weaker, more fractured United States.
Today the US would remain significant on the world stage due to many foundational advantages, but far less powerful and more fractured after pissing public money and public trust up against the wall.
Posting a british ireland on the 12th of july lol. Ur a true ulsterman neatling!
Very Great video 👍🏻 Another alternative for a surviving British Empire is for the Imperial Federation movement to actually be successful.
A scenario where Britain, Ireland the dominions and other white settler colonies form a closer union that brings the empire closer together without infringing upon the dominions current autonomy.
After WW2 the Imperial Federation would likely still grant India and most of the none settler colonies independence but being in a much stronger position would still maintain economic dominance over the independent nations and still likely hold onto key areas like Suez, Brunei, Hong Kong and potentially Singapore.
CANZUK is very different to a surviving British Empire but Its definitely something I would like to see happen and definitely has the potential to be a reality some day 🇬🇧🇳🇿🇦🇺🇨🇦
What if the Irish never invaded Scotland around the first millenia?
The Anglos would have invaded the rest
The problem I have with this interesting scenario, is that all these alternative cost money. Britain was seriously broke after WW 2 and heavily in debt to the United states, thanks larely to Lend Lease.
Print. Print. Print.
And the US was keen to force the end of the British Empire anyway.
I think in this scenario, Britain would be spending a lot less money holding onto colonies in Africa and India, which cost a lot of money
At least the Lend Lease managed to solve the United States' "Great Depression" situation.
At least we our still speaking English. And the Americans too.
What If Russia 🇷🇺 didn't expand East into Asia and never annexed or conquered Siberia
a worse world
China would have
@@d.airhorn3702Also without Russia's Eastward expansion, China 🇨🇳 along with Manchuria and Mongolia 🇲🇳 would colonize Siberia instead, Japan 🇯🇵 would colonize and claim the Sakhalin and Kuril Islands while Alaska would be a British 🇬🇧 colony and Canadian 🇨🇦 province.
Impossible
Very entertaining content! I love your mapping skills, keep up the good work!
Could you do a scenario where the age of imperialism and empires never ends and continues into the age of space colonization and exploration
(Also great video👍)
@@me8478 the Galactic British Empire????
Palpatine does sound British and much of the Republic/Imperial Navy and army officers sound British. Maybe this could be an interesting scenario lol.
if you think about it the main reason for the American revolution was taxes so if Britain focused on that they then they could keep America for a lot longer
it was far more complicated than that
@@duckman554 thats why i said main reason
the founding fathers were originally very willing to compromise. If the british came to an agreement with the continental congress then after america's rapid rise in the 19th century we could have seen a dual monarchy of sorts.
Could have gave representation but then the people living in Britain might not have liked colonists thousands of miles away voting on issues that effect them.
@@ENGLISHMURPHY could not as it would have taken months to get information between the locations due to the nature of travel at the time. how is a colonist suppose to represent the colonies if everything they hear about is at least four months old?
20 seconds in and you've effectively put Scotland on par with Ireland as a seemingly conquered country instead of a member of the union.
Scotland played just as much of a role in the empire as England and Wales.
Honk Kong - London - Singapore
Seems to be a gold pot 🍯🇭🇰🇬🇧🇸🇬
City of London holds the power
CANZUK is coming together slowly. We are seeing new trade agreements, loosened visa requirements and greater cooperation between the member countries. The only thing we need, really, is official enodorsement from all four countries.
The thing with CANZUK is that it didn’t need the rest of the Empire to go ahead. CANZUK is the Empire. CANZUK already exists and is gaining strength.
@@noodlyappendage6729 Yes, but I would not call it an empire. Rising superpower is more accurate, I think.
What if WW1 never Happened what would the world look like.
Pretty much the same for Britain as it was then since the empire fell because they used all their money in both world wars
Austria and Ottoman Empires could collapse in between 1920s - 1930s
Russia could have a revolution, removing the Tsar and maybe the Mensheviks could come to power, no violence!
America would stay isolationist and the rest is relatively the same
What an odd title. The British Empire didn't fall, it was voluntarily disbanded.
You guys couldn’t afford it. It’s like having a nice car after being ceo, but you crashed the company and lost your reputation and income. So you had to turn in all your nice stuff before the bank took it. At least you still have your skills though
@@dalton6108 Well, it's more like they spent 1000 years of accumulated wealth to fight Hitler and Mussolini (controlling most of Europe) entirely on their own for years, and then Hirohito in the East when the Japanese bombed America (Britain declared war on Japan before America did), and did so all at the same time to ensure the freedom of the peoples of the earth from tyranny. They did it without being themselves threatened or attacked first, and despite the offer of peace from the Axis. It wasn't really a car crash, it was an act of unbelievable sacrifice, unmatched in all of human history.
I as a Brit would welcome becoming a super country with these great places.Canada,Aus and New Zealand.What a line up.
Delusions of grandeur ! How about being a normal country with just laws and free from prejudices with none of the nonsense of rule brittania or my country right or wrong or the glorious dead.
CANZUK won’t be a “super country”. The four countries will remain as they are but with freer movement and trade. That’s what CANZUK is about.
@@noodlyappendage6729 thanks for scrutinizing a throw away comment.
What if the Austria-Hungary never fell?
They would be on the Security Council forever
A federation and constitutional monarchy, with many aspects of the EU. It was heading that way, before WWI hit during economy crisis. The empire needed reforms, but it was developed country which could have existed till nowadays if few things were different.
I agree that would be an interesting video.
Cheers mate, absolutely in tears now thinking what my great country could’ve been 😢
An English writer said the Sun never set for the average Englishman. He said that was because the sun had never risen for the average citizen. England, Israel, and France seized the Suez Canal. Eisenhower took steps to restore control to Egypt. The King of England recently visited a former colony go gave them a "sorry about that".
You're welcome
We did more good than bad in the world
WE ENDED SLAVERY
This is why I'm proud to be British
You must be very proud that the people who were compensated were the slave owners and not the slaves themselves. British justice I guess.😅
@@CarlosRomero-u6hBritish justice through inventing the internet
@@CarlosRomero-u6hIt took 200 years to pay off the debt, not to mention the cost of the Royal Navy policing slavery for the next 60 years, you seem to prefer the slaves to be kept as slaves so at least we know what side of history you'd be on.
@@Hex___666 Don't second guess me please. The British government had shares on the East India Co so they we're just paying themselves. It was all smoke and mirrors. I'm on the side of justice not hypocrisy.
@@Hex___666 To this day there are still MP's owing states in the Caribbean formerly built on slavery. Some of them have the decency to make some reparations other have turned a deaf ear.
What if the Imperial federation succeeded
That’s the even better timeline which leaves them even stronger. To me that scenario is only outdone by Britain giving the 13 colonies their own parliament so they have the representation they wanted preventing the Revolutionary War.
This allowing for Britain or rather either the North American Dominion or United Kingdom Of America to control nearly all of North America i definitely see manifest destiny would and eventually still happen and the UKA/North American Dominion would still push west eventually reaching the Pacific.
But I see it would be a lot stricter in order for the Natives to have their own states likely being British protectorates.
Britain now easily being the largest Empire In history it would have a much larger white population and an unrivalled industrial capacity mixing the core industrial regions of Britain with the vast industrial might of their Autonomous American Kingdom it would make Even France and Germany combined look like nothing in comparison.
The British Empire would reform into an imperial federation but a much much more powerful one and when WW1 breaks out with Britain being able to pull such an enormous force to the western front from the start of the war it’s possible for the war to last only 2 years rather than the gruelling 4 years in OTL.
Afterwards the Imperial Federation would likely return to splendid isolation eventually granting the none Anglo settled Colonies independence still maintaining dominance over them and holding onto important territories like Suez and Singapore, and likely hold onto their title as the dominant global superpower, with other nations like, France, Russia, China Japan Germany and maybe Spain if they reformed their empire as other global powers.
Well if the great British empire never left the Africans under the British empire wouldn't be going without food and water now 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Were they starving before the Britts arrived ?
It is however a historical fact that over 100 million Indians starved whilst under the care of the British Empire
@@CarlosRomero-u6h o well 💩 happens
@@CarlosRomero-u6h Carlos nice Spanish name them poor people off centre America and south America that got killed by the Spanish empire you should go back to Spain
This is basically if the UK parliament had more intelligence and less arrogance in running things from 1890 onwards. BTW where's South Africa and Zimbabwe on the commonwealth map.
I don’t thing it’s arrogance. It’s care. We suffer from the same problems today. Our politicians just don’t care.
@@noodlyappendage6729 A politician trying to make the imperial federation, which was a US state type system but with the Empire, said Britain absent mindedly conquered the world.
Rings true, there was no long term planning, I don’t think it was arrogance but the “It’s sunny now, but it’ll rain later” attitude, eh who cares about a federation they’ll probably just leave or revolt anyway, that’s a money sink and a embarrassment
Yess !
British rail Never went to privatisation
Overlooks a few important events such as Churchill's abandonment of the Empire through adoption of Europe First in WWII and Harold Wilson's withdrawal from East of Suez in 1968 in order to redirect money to welfare.
Churchill's plan was to recover the colonies after the defeat of Germany in WWII even though it meant millions of British subjects living under the brutality of Japanese occupation for three or four years. The loss of prestige and moral authority meant that the British were never in a position to maintain the Empire. The Australian government thought Churchill was mad to follow Europe First because it inevitably meant the loss of the Empire and along with it Britain's status as a global power.
The reality is that British strategy in WWII drove Australia into the US sphere of influence and the British have had no real influence over Australians at the governmental level since 1942. Wilson didn't take any notice of Australian complaints over the withdrawal from SE Asia in 1968 either.
Same story with complaints over the end of Commonwealth trade preference in the 60s and 70s with British applications to join the EEC under MacMillan, Wilson and Heath.
Yeah...after this I think we live in the better timeline
Could you do l what if the Portuguese Empire never fell and kept the overseas territories like Guinea Bissau, Angola, Mozambique Cape Verde, Sao Tome and Principe ,Goa, East Timor and Macau
I’d love to see one where all European Empires don’t fully fall,
Britain maintains the 13 Colonies eventually forming into the United Kingdom Of America/Dominion of North America, as well as maintaining their other dominions in Australia New Zealand and South Africa and other settler colonies eventually becoming the imperial federation.
Spain reforms and giving similar autonomy to all their Latin American colonies as well as their Caribbean and Pacific colonies.
Same with Portugal with Brazil and their African Colonies, and France with their African colonies and maybe Quebec.
The Dutch hold onto Belgium and a small colony in South Africa where Britain holds the rest, they too give the Boer colony, Belgium and Indonesia great autonomy.
Perhaps Russia gives Autonomy to Poland Finland and other regions to allow them to remain in the empire.
Germany holds onto their African colonies possibly also gaining the Congo to form Mittel Africa and eventual they too give them greater autonomy.
And lastly Austria Hungary reforms into the Habsburg Realms or United States Of Austria giving greater autonomy to the Slavic peoples in the empire.
And maybe as a Bonus the Kalmar Union survives too.
What do you think of the scenario i came up with and where would you take it from there???
Seems interesting if not dope
You couldn't stop the irish famine as such it was caused in the main part by many years of potatoes blight
What about territories in the Indian ocean like the Maldives, Seychelles, and Mauritius? Are they given independence, or do they stay in the empire since we don't give up as much territory in this timeline?
You missed the 13 colonies.
The 13 colonies gained indepwndence in the late 1700's, this scenario starts in the late 1800's at the height of the empire. The 13 colonies were not a part of the empire at the time this scenario is set.
@@EkamjeetS The video is about "what if the empire never fell." There is no date to this and one would assume the 13 colonies would be involved in this hypothetical as they would have "never fell."
@@p3rran the video literally starts in the 1800's, the 13 may have been kept but its not a part of this scenario
@@EkamjeetS"ERM actually the British empire first started in the 1750s!" 🤓☝️
@@GojiMasterZokay, then what about the rest of the USA? There was still like 35 other states that were not apart of the British Empire, sooo what would happen to us 😭
The good ending:
Suggestion: what if the French empire never fell
Isn't America is part of British empire like canada ,they used to one country. If not then why American say they got there independence from British.
It was a part of the British Empire, but the early British Empire in the 1700s, before they had all of India and so much of Africa. So the British Empire at its height is after it lost the US (the 13 colonies).
What if New Zealand Joined Australia?
Honestly... yeah, maybe things would be more stable. With the US not being the only global-spanning power, could also release some tensions
I never did fall, it was handed back in an extended act of compassion and moral evolution
This is a realistic scenario
How would they stop china from taking back hong kong after the contract expired?
The deal was with Qing Dynasty which no longer existed because CCP destroyed it so we could have said the deal is now void but we weren't powerful enough by 1997
The lease was for the new territories not Hong Kong, that was in perpetuity but without the new territories it wasn't feasible to keep Hong Kong.
The British Empire never 'fell'. The British dismantled it.
I think what most people forget or don't realise, controlling a planet is hard work and very expensive. China and Russia like to think they are up to the task, but they can just about keep their own country's together. If you can not sort out your own domestic problems, you have no chance of dealing with international policies (other than using them to deflect attention away from your domestic problems).
CANZUK or Imperial Federation or Neatling's Option? I don't which I prefer.
You forgot to mention that Hong Kong left British control due to a 99 year lease made with China back in 1898.
What if Napoleon marched on St. Petersburg and besieged it?
What if the Qing Dynasty modernized?
9:08 “The commonwealth has a population of 220 million” Uhmm what ???
India alone has a population of 1.3 Billion people. It is a member of the commonwealth now, so in this alternate scenario, it’s almost certainly still a member.
India isn't in the commonwealth in this scenario, because the commonwealth is a very different more EU-like union.
The main reason if fell was due to WW2 and the change within the American elite.
Nothing "changed" in the American elite. Most actions from the USA taken during the Cold War was legit entirely out of fear of communism and the rise of dictatorships.
And while the USA is indeed a superpower, but that doesn't make it an empire, after all, at the end of the day, the USA mainly focuses on its own interests when it comes to their international affairs, the USA is still not open to free trade agreements, which is definitely left over isolationist policies.
The USA only has free trade agreements with 19 countries, most scattered around the world on different continents except for Europe or South America.
you should make another space video this time like focusing say on the distant future like of the solarsystem not like a century or 2 from now but when mars or somthing actually starts catching up to earth somhow or you know what maybe even 1 on venus since nobody ever talks about venus colonisation besides some cloud city but i sure as hell wanna see a masive venus civilisation
The title is wrong. It should be "What if the Brit Empire HAD never fallen ?".
What if Rome was a Greek colony?
i dunno bout ireland bud the irish are probably top 3 hardest nations to conquer without straightup genociding (which is obv not good) this is cause they are goated and got that dawg in them
I wouldn't say top 3...
They often found themselves being invaded by the Nords, Anglos, and Scots (They invaded back btw) way before England's rule over Ireland. Who all of thise people's established a presence with cities and various realms.
Least to say, Ireland is like... Typical nation conquest wise??
Also, by that point, Ireland had already been under British control for about 200 years (?) MAYBE even longer. So it's not too unbelievable that giving them a parliament with some land reform would make them happy enough, specifically because that's sorta what they originally wanted.
It woud all have invollved a bit of imagination, something our politicians completely lack.
What if Africans reached the Americas first?
Op: it would have expanded
They'd have conquered the natives just to live exactly like them afterwards 😂
It didn't call per say. We have it back and left
what if the united Arab republic was successful?
What if Yugoslavia never fell
Sorry but when did the British Empire fall? disbanded maybe but fall?
You are so wrong about Ireland. Culturally the similarities end at language.
Britain became to stretched and gave most of the empire up..even in the American war of independence, we didn't concentrate a big enough force to defeat the Americans and French..
The only way the British empire could have survived is if it didn't have to fight 2 world wars
Without the World Wars they would have lost Canada anyway. America’s population and gdp was exploding and America would have declared war on Britain for Canada.
Without Canada and their cheap discounted resources Britain would have had to slowly degrade. They wouldn’t be able to keep up the defense of their other regions. Australia can’t match the Japanese, India can’t match Russia, Africa was in direct competition with locals and other Europeans, and Britain itself had to keep a large navy at home for Germany and France.
Britain needs America to not cause a domino affect
India was on it's way out since Victorian times. It had been used and abused for too long.
After WWII, we had our WWII pledge for U.S. involvement.
The U.S. was our banker and they dictated what we did. To bring some serious coffers into our economy we had to sell Jet engines to Russia. This came back to bites us in the Korean war!
You left Canada out?
Canada? I think that you are forgetting about someone who’s usually never in these what if the British Empire stayed around what if the British Empire came back with all its territory literally the eldest child and keeps on gaining forgotten about
Also, Canada’s in the video
He showed Canada on the maps, but skirted over what Canada's role is in the alternate history.
The scenario picks up after Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Newfoundland and South Africa were given Dominion status.
By 1933 The Dominions were given indpendent status with the exception of the Constitution. Once a Constitution was developed, the Dominions were fully indpendent.
Canada's role in the Commonwealth was skipped.
I like the alternate history he presented. I am a CANZUK advocate and would like to see it ratified. Especially now with the current struggles in the U.S.
I am afraid I don't buy most of the suggested developments in this video. It's easy to say problems in Ireland could have been resolved, but its not so easy to point to how that could have been done. In reality the post war government wanted to dismantle the Empire as quickly as possible, I really don't see how doing so quicker, without preparing would have been better. Nor would there be any real value in keeping or spending money on developing places like Cyprus. Even the Suez canal was only of value to us when we had an Empire or if there was an income to be derived. Running it for the good of everyone would be very noble. Oh and Margaret Thatcher would still have won in 1983, the Falklands did boost her, but she really won because the economic medicine was starting to work and the Labour opposition put forward a far left programme, splitting the left and nearly coming third.
The British Empire not falling? Wow! Well, Britain would have had to have avoided fighting WW 1. By doing that, Britain might, just might, have kept it's empire. Quite what the outcome of WW 1 would have been is debatable.
I don’t think you realised how technological advanced the UK was from the 1820s to the 1930s, advanced navel capabilities and then post WW2, although heavy destroyed and economically destroyed it recovered far quicker than most of the rest of the world. The commonwealth is the offspring of the old empire. So before European trade agreements you had commonwealth agreements to boost economic growth, all this missed out in your analysis. I am sorry, but if I have you an exam result I’d give you a C-
I see a timeline without thatcher, I like and subscribe.
What if Muslims kept the Iberian peninsula?
I frankly can't see this scenario working. Firstly the Irish reforms would not only be strangely out of character for a Britain that had treated Ireland so consistently poorly as it did, but would almost certainly not be successful. Perhaps it could stall Irish independence but the famine made it a certainty, as soon as Britain is not in a state to put an Irish rebellion down (like after or during ww2) they would loose the island. I also don't see why any of the white settler dominions would consent to a plan that would limit their autonomy, by the end of ww2 their independence was a practical certainty and they wouldn't be interested in an organisation that would tightly bind them to Britain when they could be functionally independent. As for areas of key strategic interest I also struggle to imagine them holding it for long, Hong Kong for example was only leased to Britain and eventually they would have no legal right to keep the island, as for others they would have immense pressure to give them up by the United States and the Soviet Union, their Middle Eastern possessions especially would give America a head ache as it would permanently damage the wests relationship with the Arab world and thus pose issues with Israel normalization, especially after Britain pretty much swindles the Suez from Egypt. With the Arab and broader Muslim world against them and the US pressuring a handover behind the scenes I cant see Britain holding onto them into the modern day. Fundamentally for the scenario to work you need to change more and change them earlier, a few POD's I think might be more suitable to produce the result in the video might be, no Irish famine (or at least one where the British actually combats it) and where Britain begins a slow reconciliation with Ireland, and a less devastating ww1 and ww2 for Britain, since these were really the conflicts that broke the Empires back.
An easier scenario is britain doesnt enter world war 1 and become bankrupt and then trigger world war 2. Empire endures for 100 more years 😅
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so a britain that had it shit together
Things might be better off..
Brunei and Bahrain were always protectorates, not colonies
What if India stayed united?
India can't stay united in any scenario . Pakistan territories wanted more autonomy from the union in return for staying . If union had agreed to those terms other states would have also demanded autonomy .
@@pixelpie5280 Never say never
India wasn't united prior to British rule.
0:10 Англійська мова на екрані 🤩🤩🤩
All empires fall… as will America
Doubt that
I have to disagree with everything you said. As interesting such questions are, your conclusions don’t seem to be based on any logic.
Rule, Britannia...
What about if India never got colonised
Then there really wouldn’t be one India
balkanised india lol
@@zachv I was talking about the whole Indian subcontinent
@@johnnavey6036 😂
This post was fact checked by real British Malthusians: False.
Ok
*Happy Liz Truss noises*
It's amazing how one man single handily ruined the empire and sold it off to the nation which his mother was from.
lol how was it churchills fault
Lol, damn, you did churchill dirty though.
He means Britain should have offered peace to the Nazis, or maybe even possibly joining an alliance with them. Which in the long term, would secure Britain’s ever declining empire.
This is more or less the strategy I saw in Donald Trump's foreign policy. Acknowledging that world affairs were gradually eroding superpower status but maintaining more strategic weight by concentrating on key alliances and points of interest.
Trump's focus on Israel, Japan, Canada, Mexico, the Gulf States, Taiwan, and the UK as the backbone of their "empire" over the overextended world policing the Liberal Interventionist IR theory that dominated America since the 90s was a novel approach that is probably more tenable than continuously sticking fingers in every pie all over the world.
Where is Canada in all of this? Does it not exist? Is it irrelevant or have you given it to the US?
It’s in the video did you not pay attention?
And the of slavery.
I have to say I don't if the british would keep Hong Kong because in 1898 they signed a lease that the territory would be returned to them in 99 years
The lease was for the New Territories, Britain could have legally kept Hong Kong island and Kowloon but it wasn’t considered feasible
The lease for the New Territories was pretty poor negotiating skills on the British part. Why on earth didn't we push to get the New Territories in perpetuity!?
What if Russia became a fascist country in WWI?
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As an Irish man I hate this video. As an alternate history fan this is such a fun idea
Gimme your territory
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Sorry, I respectfully disagree with almost everything in this video.
Lol, could you elaborate, I'm curious what you were talking about
@@yiannchrst Pick any spot in the video and I'll give an example.
It did .... end of.
Erm, Ireland *was* a part of the country. It was a part of the Union. Hence why it seceeded from the Union. I didn't even watch the rest if that was the low standard of the video.
I’m glad as a New Zealander I have nothing to do with the UK or Canada, I prefer having my freedom of speech
Bro, you have literally everything to do with it.
@@thinkwithaportalnot in terms of the law, that’s why I don’t want CANZUK New Zealand is uniquely more influenced by American values of freedom over safety and social cohesion
@@thinkwithaportalnobody here is getting arrested for saying a police officer looks like a lesbian
@@chickentoucher55but you would have freedom of speech with both the UK and USA? They rank the same in freedoms
Ok