Mr. Pageau, have you ever read Godel, Escher, Bach An Eternal Golden Braid? He talks about strange loops the same way that you talk about fractals. I am desperate to hear your take on it.
Fantastic. I wrote my term paper on Boethius in Dr. James Cutsinger’s class, Dialog of Reason and Faith, in 1990 at the University of South Carolina. Go Gamecocks!!
This may be the best, I mean most uplifting, video I have listened to on youtube. I can't thank the two of you enough. Boethius has been a companion of mine for decades. Many years ago I had to be hospitalized for surgery. As I gathered a few things before going to the hospital I couldn't decide what book to take with me. Then I saw Boethius's 'Consolation' on the shelf; it was the Loeb edition that Stephen Blackwood held up. The single surgery turned into three. And the 'Consolation' was exactly what I needed and brought to me a sense of stability, perspective, and calm. Reading Boethius was like praying. That was a long time ago and I attribute my recovery to the presence of Boethius during this period. I'm grateful for this presentation and discussion. Thanks.
Yes, indeed, we remember less due to the existence of the internet, but at the same time, this way I found this conversation about a work i didn't know existed but is now part of the much needed consolation of myself after betrayal, loss of trust and loss of recognisable reality even. Thank you!
29:45 🎉👏🏼💯 on banishment “Long before morning I knew that what I was seeking to discover was a thing I’d always known. That all courage was a form of constancy. That it was always himself that the coward betrayed first. After this all other betrayals come easily.” - all the pretty horses
Thank you Jonathan, for bringing this conversation to our attention. I couldn’t find much on Dr. Blackwood after the Exodus seminar. I came across Boethius, while reading a book on the Medieval Mind of C.S.Lewis. So it‘s definitely on my to-read list, once I get done with the Divine Comedy. I must say the book recommendations I‘ve gotten from you have enriched my life…
This was a lovely feast. Thank you, gentlemen. Serendipitously discovering the patterns in Creation, not merely the physical, but all of the underlying fingerprints of the Creator, this has brought me a lifetime of joy. From a very young age, I as able to become aware of nature, and music, and poetry, and the beautiful liturgy of it all. This has formed the kind of Christian I have and continue to become. Stumbling upon Johnathan and his “ilk” have helped to remind me of those things that tend to fade a bit when the noonday devils intrude.
57:43 All this conversation on memory brings to mind Augustine’s The Confessions “10.8.15 Great is the strength of Memory, great indeed, my God; an inner chamber vast and infinite. Who has ever sounded its depths? This strength belongs to my mind and to my nature, yet I myself cannot comprehend all that I am.”
38:03 pedagogy in confusion and alienation 58:03 Understanding = needing places to put things (- speaks to me quite literally: just like Jordan Peterson telling me to start with my room…); Aristotle on Habits: you become what you do 1:05:00 feelings distort perception; shaping yourself adequately in order to see what’s really there; become able to act and react adequately;
Wonderful.juxtaposition of worlds! It's amazing how the symbolic world entwines with everything - shouldn't be surprising,, but it always brings a joyful gasp! Honoured to have met you both, and to support the profoundly important work you are both doing! Best wishes from Winnipeg!
Elizabeth ! translated The Consolation of Philosophy from Latin to the English of her time period. Along with Ovid's Metamorphosis, The Consolation was the most circulated book during the Middle Ages.
Just started reading this book this week so I am very interested in this video. A beautiful and extremely rich and interesting book and I really like it so far.
Substance arrives after 20 minute thank you fabulous ... the re-mind-ing makes me conscious of St Ignatius examen each day to be aware of the movements within during that day and to pray with that
A great talk. Boethius was particularly well read in England. Chaucer wrote his own translation and Boethius fits in very well with the Anglo-Saxon notion of Wyrd, or fate.
You both seemed to be circling many of the same issues with different approaches, yet coming to the same conclusions in the Exodus series; this is going to be a great talk.
I am not Pageau but this is funny: in a dream i once had, Napoleon Bonaparte came to me and told me to find a book that fused mathematics, philosophy, and music together. I went to all the bookstores in the city getting strange looks when i asked if they had a book like this. then one book store employee told me that another employee who wasn't present orders all those types of books, and she would ask him and call me. a few hours later I get a call and the gentleman says he has a book that covers all those topics, he only has one copy, it's a bit damaged and in the basement, would I like it? I asked what book it was, and it was G.E.B an E.G.B. that book changed my life.
oh man, i saw this book at a secondhand bookstore one time and thought it looked really interesting but avoided it out of fear of non-christian craziness. interesting to hear that there's something to be learned from that obscure book.
Librivox has an audiobook version that is free and public domain. Personally I enjoy that, but I would love an audio of the updated translation too. Poetic texts and texts with orality do work better in audio.... And it is easier to argue or ask questions, if you don't mind looking odd. ;)
Is the meter of the poem lost when translated into English? I absolutely loved Consolation of Philosophy and was inspired to read it by several factors, this video title alone helping to push me over the edge to read it... I very much appreciated the back and forth between the dialectic and lyrical, Boethius reminded me a bit of Kierkegaard's 'Fear and Trembling' in this regard. His take on evil as non-existence and virtue as being WHAT makes us real is just mind blowingly beautiful. I also appreciate the take on free-will and that without it, vice or virtue would be impossible. I admit I was hoping for more dialogue between Pageau and Stephen. This exchange was more like a sped-up lecture without diving into the text. Will there be a part 2?
Thank you for a very informative discussion. If you are not familiar with John Kotre’s work on autobiographical memory, you might enjoy it. My favorite is “White Gloves: How We Create Ourselves Through Memory.” Thanks again. Of course, now I have to buy that beautiful edition of the Consolation that you mentioned.
John Milton called Shakespeare "Dear son of Memory, great heir of fame." Milton is referring to Mnemosyne the goddess of memory and the mother of the muses.
The knitting woman at the end reminds me of a story by Ram Das in which he speaks with a woman who understands all kinds of esoteric things through knitting in the like!
I'm 20 minutes in ... so far all you've said is how wonderful the book is ... had to go look and find Boethius is 542AD ... a fascinating time ... Will persist but hope you get to some substance ... and to set the historical context of the times
”“Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of יהוה, “They did not accept my counsel, They despised all my reproof, “Therefore let them eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own counsels. “For the turning away of the simple kills them, And the complacency of fools destroys them. “But whoever listens to me dwells safely, And is at ease from the dread of evil.”“ Mishlĕ (Proverbs) 1:29-33
I had never heard of Boetius or his great works before so thanks a lot for this useful discussion. Boetius is Christian but never mentions Jesus or the Gospels and was martyred by King Theodoric in 524 for treason. The Eastern emperor Justin I, was persecuting Arians and Theodoric was an Arian, Christians who did not believe in Christ as God. So the historical context is much more interesting than just the Consolation, especially including Pope John I, who was also martyred for treason. Boetius is a saint, but better venerated by Orthodox as is Justin I. You ought to do a vid on the historical context...
Yes, this video omits this history. To its detriment. Detriment to meaning and therefore interpretation. Without context understanding no longer upholds, it literally becomes quicksand from which one must find succor.
1: “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon. 2: “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner,1844/2017 Landstreicher translation. 3: “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,plus his 3 other bible study books. 4: “No Treason: the Constitution of No Authority,1,2 and 6”, Lysander Spooner. Little ‘worthy ‘ beyond these.
Most women in classical and Biblical society were weavers. The Valiant Woman of Proverbs wove for her household and for international trade. The exemplary matrons of Republican Rome wove their own beautiful clothes.
20 minutes in. 500% agreement so far. finished it. yeah. stephen blackwood nailed it. i have long preferred the neoplatonic world over the christian world because of its integration of the particular, as opposed to a lot of christians i see repressing the particular. to many christians, god has so many particular desires but is still somehow unified as a character. the neoplatonic and hermetic focus on liturgical integration, integration of the particular (various spirits,) and deep measurement and acknowledgement of time has always struck me as a more sophisticated philosophical movement. i'm aware that the christian tradition has these traditions in it, but they're quite hidden and marginalized. not exactly celebrated as the life-affirming things that they are. more often in my experience of christians, things get typecast as demonic the further they are from unity. this is ironic to me, because the human soul has many particular aspects, and the unity is fundamentally unknowable. so basically, the issue i have with that formulation is that it identifies the unknown as good and the immediate yet knowable as evil.
I mean maybe you’ve met Christians who don’t exactly embody the “Neoplatonic ideal”, but man, Christianity is PRECISELY zeroed in on the particular, and this is literally embodied in the person of Christ. Your comment is almost impossible to form a response to because every single instance of major Christian theological work I can think of runs counter to your sentiment. Try reading, I don’t know, literally any of the Vatican II documents to start… and that’s a RECENT example. This idea that the unknowable is good isn’t really even a Christian idea because God reveals Himself to us. Apophatic theology teaches us that obviously we cannot know God *as He is* in infinite essence, (we are contingent) but our analogous understanding is as particular as it gets. We’re also loved, in the Christian tradition, as particular individuals and can only love as such. But this particularity is also subsumed into higher orders of unity (family, community, church etc.) that have their own particular natures. I guess I’m just not sure how to make sense of your pitting Neoplatonism against Christianity.
I undertake my work knowing full well no one will appreciate it. I must. I would like as a side project to write a book entitled: Do Not Disturb My Drawings (and I'm sure you all know where that comes from) and shoot a thousand copies from a cannon into the ghetto where my Mom went to high school when she was a kid, and smart German, Polish, Italian, and Irish kids lived there. My book would, hopefully capture young minds before captured by the lost souls inhabiting our inner cities.
Hey, Jonathan! Have you had the chance to read the "Gospel of the Beloved companion"? It is supposedly the full version of the gospel of Mary Magdalene, seems to be a very interesting thing to study.
Consider talking to Dr Gaven Kerr he reads Kant as a realist and takes a conformist approach to epistemology as opposed to a correspondence view. This seems to dovetail nicely with some of you emphasis on patterns and symbolism in reality. (in my limited understanding of both his and your views). Cheers
This “cosmic memory” that Jonathan mentions sounds a bit like Carl Jung’s idea of the “collective unconscious”. Jonathan, are you familiar with Jung’s psychological work?
”Every wise woman has built her house, But the foolish breaks it down with her hands. He who walks in his straightness fears יהוה, But he whose ways are crooked despises Him. In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise guard them.“ Mishlĕ (Proverbs) 14:1-3
Apparently, it would be educational for the fairy tales author who was bent on always trying to write something new (there was a video with him here on Jonathans channel,) to read Boethius.
What do you mean by "POST-PURITAN AGE"? Are you trying to blame our current degradation on Puritanism rather than Cavalier Cesar Borgianity ? Go read Foxe's "Book of Martyrs" if so (unabridged).
Jesuits study Boethius early on, which leads us to teach Boethius in our high schools. My bishop always laughs when Jesuit students pick Boethius as their confirmation saint name!
I just picture poor angelo sitting in a bathroom stall in a costume holding a copy of consolation of philosophy every time i hear about it. Cant take it seriously.
In the Elder Scrolls line of games, the most popular of which is the Skyrim, there is a goddess called Boethiah. Although, she is the goddess of treachery, sedition and unlawful overthrow of authority.
No no no! Boeitus does not speak of Christianity in the Consolation because Philosophy can only console. It has no saving power, it provides no hope in a world which is a veil of tears.
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Mr. Pageau, have you ever read Godel, Escher, Bach An Eternal Golden Braid? He talks about strange loops the same way that you talk about fractals. I am desperate to hear your take on it.
@@kevinc.8885i would imagine Matthieu may be more inclined to read it (or has read it)- that book requires a high level of mathematic interest
the good part starts at around 00:00 and ends around 1:21:26
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This book led my son to his philosophy degree. He read it in high school and then studied philosophy and math at the University of South Carolina.
Did he find his way to ☦️ ?
Fantastic. I wrote my term paper on Boethius in Dr. James Cutsinger’s class, Dialog of Reason and Faith, in 1990 at the University of South Carolina. Go Gamecocks!!
What a lower loser! Of course I'm joking, I wouldn't be here if I didn't desire to read myself.😮😂
Did he find a job afterwards?
This may be the best, I mean most uplifting, video I have listened to on youtube. I can't thank the two of you enough. Boethius has been a companion of mine for decades. Many years ago I had to be hospitalized for surgery. As I gathered a few things before going to the hospital I couldn't decide what book to take with me. Then I saw Boethius's 'Consolation' on the shelf; it was the Loeb edition that Stephen Blackwood held up. The single surgery turned into three. And the 'Consolation' was exactly what I needed and brought to me a sense of stability, perspective, and calm. Reading Boethius was like praying. That was a long time ago and I attribute my recovery to the presence of Boethius during this period. I'm grateful for this presentation and discussion. Thanks.
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Yes, indeed, we remember less due to the existence of the internet, but at the same time, this way I found this conversation about a work i didn't know existed but is now part of the much needed consolation of myself after betrayal, loss of trust and loss of recognisable reality even. Thank you!
29:45 🎉👏🏼💯 on banishment
“Long before morning I knew that what I was seeking to discover was a thing I’d always known. That all courage was a form of constancy. That it was always himself that the coward betrayed first. After this all other betrayals come easily.”
- all the pretty horses
Thank you both for this. I've listened to it twice now. You really got to the heart of the matter. Brilliant.
St. Boethius is an Orthodox/Catholic Saint! His cult of devotion should grow
Wow!!!!!! A video on Boethius. The Consolation is one of the most important works in Western history. Bravo!
Perfect timing, we just started reading the Consolation of Philosophy today in my Humanities class!
This is *the* Book that shattered, then repaired my mind.
42:10 “Memory is the purveyor of reason.” - Samuel Johnson
One of my favs. ❤
You sold me. Calling my book store. Ordered!
Request: add a Medieval section to the Symbolic World reading list. :)
YES
Dr Blackwood presenting Lady Philosophy and then Constance to finish. Stunning!
Stephen Blackwood has very quickly become one of my favorite cultural commentators, thanks so much for the inspiration Dr. Blackwood.
Excellent conversation. Hello Stephen!
I am grateful these two finally had a discussion.
Thank you Jonathan, for bringing this conversation to our attention. I couldn’t find much on Dr. Blackwood after the Exodus seminar. I came across Boethius, while reading a book on the Medieval Mind of C.S.Lewis. So it‘s definitely on my to-read list, once I get done with the Divine Comedy. I must say the book recommendations I‘ve gotten from you have enriched my life…
Does he have a book list on a website somewhere?
This was a lovely feast. Thank you, gentlemen. Serendipitously discovering the patterns in Creation, not merely the physical, but all of the underlying fingerprints of the Creator, this has brought me a lifetime of joy. From a very young age, I as able to become aware of nature, and music, and poetry, and the beautiful liturgy of it all. This has formed the kind of Christian I have and continue to become. Stumbling upon Johnathan and his “ilk” have helped to remind me of those things that tend to fade a bit when the noonday devils intrude.
Blackwood did a great job on the Exodus series.
Amazing. I’m inspired to read Boethius now.
It’s like a 6 hour read. Just start it. You can knock it out within a week.
One hour in…. Live the Good See the Good You can bring Out the Good in Others🖤Thank You!!!
This video is a precious gift. Two beautiful humans. And knitting.. it really is like dancing. Thank you
Just bought a copy thanks to your praise and analysis of it. Thanks. Looking forward to reading it.
I loved this conversation. Thank you both.
57:43 All this conversation on memory brings to mind Augustine’s The Confessions “10.8.15 Great is the strength of Memory, great indeed, my God; an inner chamber vast and infinite. Who has ever sounded its depths? This strength belongs to my mind and to my nature, yet I myself cannot comprehend all that I am.”
This was really great - many thanks both 🙏 Loeb edition on order!
🔥🔥 did not expect this. I love Boethius
Lovely conversation, thank you both so much! I find the idea that a book can evoke such comfort to be quite interesting.
38:03 pedagogy in confusion and alienation
58:03 Understanding = needing places to put things (- speaks to me quite literally: just like Jordan Peterson telling me to start with my room…); Aristotle on Habits: you become what you do
1:05:00 feelings distort perception; shaping yourself adequately in order to see what’s really there; become able to act and react adequately;
Wonderful.juxtaposition of worlds! It's amazing how the symbolic world entwines with everything - shouldn't be surprising,, but it always brings a joyful gasp! Honoured to have met you both, and to support the profoundly important work you are both doing! Best wishes from Winnipeg!
Hello, I enjoyed Steven’s discussion and input during Exodus, so much so that I followed up to listen to other channels that Steven was on RUclips.
”She shall open her mouth with wisdom, And on her tongue is the Torah of loving-commitment.“
Mishlĕ (Proverbs) 31:26
The content in this video adds something to the universe somehow. I wish everyone would take the time to listen to it.
Elizabeth ! translated The Consolation of Philosophy from Latin to the English of her time period. Along with Ovid's Metamorphosis, The Consolation was the most circulated book during the Middle Ages.
I've heard that Josephus's Wars of the Jews was also a highly circulated text in the Middle Ages.
Excited for this!!
Just started reading this book this week so I am very interested in this video. A beautiful and extremely rich and interesting book and I really like it so far.
On the reading list!
Substance arrives after 20 minute thank you fabulous ... the re-mind-ing makes me conscious of St Ignatius examen each day to be aware of the movements within during that day and to pray with that
A great talk. Boethius was particularly well read in England. Chaucer wrote his own translation and Boethius fits in very well with the Anglo-Saxon notion of Wyrd, or fate.
Loved this!
You both seemed to be circling many of the same issues with different approaches, yet coming to the same conclusions in the Exodus series; this is going to be a great talk.
Mr. Pageau, have you read "Godel, Escher, Bach, An Eternal Golden Braid"? I want so desperatelyto hear your thoughts on it.
I am not Pageau but this is funny: in a dream i once had, Napoleon Bonaparte came to me and told me to find a book that fused mathematics, philosophy, and music together. I went to all the bookstores in the city getting strange looks when i asked if they had a book like this. then one book store employee told me that another employee who wasn't present orders all those types of books, and she would ask him and call me.
a few hours later I get a call and the gentleman says he has a book that covers all those topics, he only has one copy, it's a bit damaged and in the basement, would I like it?
I asked what book it was, and it was G.E.B an E.G.B. that book changed my life.
I bought this years ago and never read it. I still have it somewhere...
oh man, i saw this book at a secondhand bookstore one time and thought it looked really interesting but avoided it out of fear of non-christian craziness. interesting to hear that there's something to be learned from that obscure book.
This book was a helluva ride. I've been somewhat obsessed with the idea of Strange Loops since I picked it up
@ethanfleisher1910 it's the same thing that pageau is always talking about with fractals. Yet another strange loop...
I wish his book was available on kindle 😊 great conversation!
It is on Kindle Unlimited. I checked last night. 10th Feb, 2024.
Love from México
this video is excellent
This was a great conversation. I write poetry❤❤❤
Librivox has an audiobook version that is free and public domain. Personally I enjoy that, but I would love an audio of the updated translation too.
Poetic texts and texts with orality do work better in audio.... And it is easier to argue or ask questions, if you don't mind looking odd. ;)
Really great conversation, thanks for sharing it! I must look up more about Boethius now 😂
Thank you. Never heard of Boethius before this video. Which English translation would you recommend for the average person?
Is the meter of the poem lost when translated into English? I absolutely loved Consolation of Philosophy and was inspired to read it by several factors, this video title alone helping to push me over the edge to read it... I very much appreciated the back and forth between the dialectic and lyrical, Boethius reminded me a bit of Kierkegaard's 'Fear and Trembling' in this regard. His take on evil as non-existence and virtue as being WHAT makes us real is just mind blowingly beautiful. I also appreciate the take on free-will and that without it, vice or virtue would be impossible.
I admit I was hoping for more dialogue between Pageau and Stephen. This exchange was more like a sped-up lecture without diving into the text. Will there be a part 2?
Thank you for a very informative discussion. If you are not familiar with John Kotre’s work on autobiographical memory, you might enjoy it. My favorite is “White Gloves: How We Create Ourselves Through Memory.” Thanks again. Of course, now I have to buy that beautiful edition of the Consolation that you mentioned.
John Milton called Shakespeare "Dear son of Memory, great heir of fame."
Milton is referring to Mnemosyne the goddess of memory and the mother of the muses.
Thank the GODs for this episode. I’ll buy Boethius’ book.
This is beauty
The knitting woman at the end reminds me of a story by Ram Das in which he speaks with a woman who understands all kinds of esoteric things through knitting in the like!
Could you please do a video on 1 Kings 19? One of my favorite passages that I think would have a ton of symbolism you could draw out. Love the videos!
Would love to see a breakdown of the symbolism of griffins please!!
Currently this book sells on Amazon for over $170. I’d love to read it, but is the a non-jewel encrusted version? 😅
I'm 20 minutes in ... so far all you've said is how wonderful the book is ... had to go look and find Boethius is 542AD ... a fascinating time ... Will persist but hope you get to some substance ... and to set the historical context of the times
BTW Boethius is a saint and Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville has his relics
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”“And wisdom is declared right by all her children.”“
Luqas (Luke) 7:35
"I am 3 years old" is what i said to myself in my first memory.
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”“Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of יהוה, “They did not accept my counsel, They despised all my reproof, “Therefore let them eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own counsels. “For the turning away of the simple kills them, And the complacency of fools destroys them. “But whoever listens to me dwells safely, And is at ease from the dread of evil.”“
Mishlĕ (Proverbs) 1:29-33
I had never heard of Boetius or his great works before so thanks a lot for this useful discussion. Boetius is Christian but never mentions Jesus or the Gospels and was martyred by King Theodoric in 524 for treason. The Eastern emperor Justin I, was persecuting Arians and Theodoric was an Arian, Christians who did not believe in Christ as God. So the historical context is much more interesting than just the Consolation, especially including Pope John I, who was also martyred for treason. Boetius is a saint, but better venerated by Orthodox as is Justin I. You ought to do a vid on the historical context...
Yes, this video omits this history. To its detriment. Detriment to meaning and therefore interpretation. Without context understanding no longer upholds, it literally becomes quicksand from which one must find succor.
1: “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon. 2: “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner,1844/2017 Landstreicher translation. 3: “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,plus his 3 other bible study books. 4: “No Treason: the Constitution of No Authority,1,2 and 6”, Lysander Spooner. Little ‘worthy ‘ beyond these.
On my bookshelf with thirty other books I haven't touched in twenty years.
Have you considered doing a video on the series known as Firefly?
I’ve always figured that his reference to her wearing the beautiful garment that she had woven herself was hinting that she is Athena.
Most women in classical and Biblical society were weavers. The Valiant Woman of Proverbs wove for her household and for international trade. The exemplary matrons of Republican Rome wove their own beautiful clothes.
Great, another book I have to read! 🤣
O Fortuna, imperatrix mundi
I just heard about this book listening to John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place (Community of Christ.) Coincidence?
20 minutes in. 500% agreement so far.
finished it. yeah. stephen blackwood nailed it. i have long preferred the neoplatonic world over the christian world because of its integration of the particular, as opposed to a lot of christians i see repressing the particular. to many christians, god has so many particular desires but is still somehow unified as a character. the neoplatonic and hermetic focus on liturgical integration, integration of the particular (various spirits,) and deep measurement and acknowledgement of time has always struck me as a more sophisticated philosophical movement.
i'm aware that the christian tradition has these traditions in it, but they're quite hidden and marginalized. not exactly celebrated as the life-affirming things that they are. more often in my experience of christians, things get typecast as demonic the further they are from unity. this is ironic to me, because the human soul has many particular aspects, and the unity is fundamentally unknowable. so basically, the issue i have with that formulation is that it identifies the unknown as good and the immediate yet knowable as evil.
Pagan man finds favor with pagan perspectives in philosophical presentation... or so the Germans would have us believe.
try again, this time with more specific words and a more articulate point, please.@@machinotaur
I mean maybe you’ve met Christians who don’t exactly embody the “Neoplatonic ideal”, but man, Christianity is PRECISELY zeroed in on the particular, and this is literally embodied in the person of Christ. Your comment is almost impossible to form a response to because every single instance of major Christian theological work I can think of runs counter to your sentiment. Try reading, I don’t know, literally any of the Vatican II documents to start… and that’s a RECENT example.
This idea that the unknowable is good isn’t really even a Christian idea because God reveals Himself to us. Apophatic theology teaches us that obviously we cannot know God *as He is* in infinite essence, (we are contingent) but our analogous understanding is as particular as it gets. We’re also loved, in the Christian tradition, as particular individuals and can only love as such. But this particularity is also subsumed into higher orders of unity (family, community, church etc.) that have their own particular natures.
I guess I’m just not sure how to make sense of your pitting Neoplatonism against Christianity.
Does it lead one to Eastern Orthodoxy?
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I undertake my work knowing full well no one will appreciate it. I must. I would like as a side project to write a book entitled: Do Not Disturb My Drawings (and I'm sure you all know where that comes from) and shoot a thousand copies from a cannon into the ghetto where my Mom went to high school when she was a kid, and smart German, Polish, Italian, and Irish kids lived there. My book would, hopefully capture young minds before captured by the lost souls inhabiting our inner cities.
59:38 “resist not evil” in a nutshell
Hey, Jonathan! Have you had the chance to read the "Gospel of the Beloved companion"? It is supposedly the full version of the gospel of Mary Magdalene, seems to be a very interesting thing to study.
They are saints 1:08:27
Consider talking to Dr Gaven Kerr he reads Kant as a realist and takes a conformist approach to epistemology as opposed to a correspondence view. This seems to dovetail nicely with some of you emphasis on patterns and symbolism in reality. (in my limited understanding of both his and your views). Cheers
This “cosmic memory” that Jonathan mentions sounds a bit like Carl Jung’s idea of the “collective unconscious”. Jonathan, are you familiar with Jung’s psychological work?
”Every wise woman has built her house, But the foolish breaks it down with her hands. He who walks in his straightness fears יהוה, But he whose ways are crooked despises Him. In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise guard them.“
Mishlĕ (Proverbs) 14:1-3
Last of the Romans, First of the Scholastics.
Here here…
The natural world is analog. Not broken digital.
Lewis has been described by one of his admires as a self recreated modern Boethius…
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Plato’s anamnesis isn’t about reincarnation - truth is “always” in the soul. Therefore it could not have entered during a previous life
Apparently, it would be educational for the fairy tales author who was bent on always trying to write something new (there was a video with him here on Jonathans channel,) to read Boethius.
What do you mean by "POST-PURITAN AGE"?
Are you trying to blame our current degradation on Puritanism rather than Cavalier Cesar Borgianity ?
Go read Foxe's "Book of Martyrs" if so (unabridged).
Occult Science by Rudolf Steiner. What the West needs now.
evil Adolf's favorite evil guy is what we need? Shyeah, no thanks.
Jesuits study Boethius early on, which leads us to teach Boethius in our high schools. My bishop always laughs when Jesuit students pick Boethius as their confirmation saint name!
I just picture poor angelo sitting in a bathroom stall in a costume holding a copy of consolation of philosophy every time i hear about it. Cant take it seriously.
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To me this book is the perfect distillation of Neoplatonic philosophy. If Plotinus or Proclus confuses you then pick up Boethius instead.
In the Elder Scrolls line of games, the most popular of which is the Skyrim, there is a goddess called Boethiah. Although, she is the goddess of treachery, sedition and unlawful overthrow of authority.
I knew I wasn't the only one who thought of this, too! I like the name a lot it's very cool.
Boethiah also takes out the trash
No no no! Boeitus does not speak of Christianity in the Consolation because Philosophy can only console. It has no saving power, it provides no hope in a world which is a veil of tears.