I received a lot of revelations watching this. Thank you. Our culture is indeed bewitched and it started long ago. As you said the effects are just now becoming evident.
Thank you Jonathan. That was a very interesting take. There's an interesting rabbit hole to delve down concerning the development of the (very thin and sketchy) academic ideas which underpin current thinking on gender issues. Basically a very small group that seem to have looked after each others interests and validated each others work. You can also see some very high profile Hollywood players who have raised their children in exactly the way you describe. Far more prevalent in this community than in the wider world, why is that? The clue may be in the esoteric significance of the Holly Wood and 'Bel Air' etc.
It was a poorly placed political ad that followed this video: a couple wanting to move to North Carolina, but afraid that “conservative” laws would keep them from family planning.
Wow. I don't get at all, the obsession that some poeple have with their ability to kill human fetuses. It is absolutely mind boggeling. As if this was elementary necessity in life like breathing and eating.
@@CIA.2024-u9b I mean getting a child when you're 20-25 for example and way too early before your financially and cognitively ready for it (meaning mature enough to be a good parent) is bad for everyone involved, including the child. So I think it's good that people are aware of that and are trying to prevent that in the rare but possible scenario that whatever method of contraception failed. Most of those couples want children eventually, they just want to be able to prevent it from happening too early in life. And trust me I know a lot of couples that didn't do an abortion and where the children are definitely now suffering from it because they are horrible at parenting because they're way too young, or the relationship wasn't serious and now the 22 year old mother is alone with the child, some even already have multiple children at 24 and aren't even financially able or mentally mature enough to properly support just one. So yes I do think it's good that people are thinking about this seriously and don't just say "whatever, if we get one accidentally I'm sure it will will work out well".
Wow, Jonathan just explained in the most coherent way what the Nephilim are and how they came to be beyond the literalism of how modern Christians would explain and understand it today, without even mentioning the word “Nephilim” or referencing The Book of Enoch.
Jonathan, friends and I watched a Broadway play in New York yesterday called Teeth. A church leader and some hapless young followers are literally dismembered by the lead female character. We sat stunned, but the applause was deafening.
I believe that the doctrine of the family as taught by Jesus Christ is, if not the most restrictive, at least one of the most restrictive Christian doctrines, but it is not unfair at all, on the contrary, what man can achieve by respecting the doctrine taught by Jesus is not only salvation but also deification. That is why I believe that this aspect is one of the most targeted when it comes to tempting man, because sexual energy is the most difficult to manage, sexuality represents the most sensitive point of man, especially in conditions in which other human needs are covered. These aspects are contained in the first chapters of Genesis, from the moment when God makes the statement: "It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make him a helper suitable for him", immediately after giving him the first law: "Of every tree of the garden you may eat, But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die!" I appreciate the frankness with which the subject was approached.
I would have dearly wanted to hear this about 20 years ago. Normal sexuality as a subject was frequently avoided or glossed over in my learning the Orthodox faith. Unfortunately, I didn't see the spiritual significance of being sterilized. Lord have mercy on me.
@@noelhalvordson6465 I know what based means.. and it doesn't mean "cool." It means "based in reality" as in "based and redpilled." (Matrix reference.) The opposite of based is "cringe" which means "you hide from the truth." I was facetiously pretending to not know the slang, while simultaneously asking what this guy's "red pilled truth" is.
So are we falling asleep or waking up? Or maybe it's one of those rough nights... curious what your thoughts are on alien abductions in particular, seems related.
Bless you Jonathan for this message, it is revelatory, and on All Hallows Eve. May God bless your ministry and protect you from all the crafts of the devil and his minions.
8:00 hence why Montague Summers in his magnum opus "History of Witchcraft and Demonology" stresses the direct connection between the late medieval neomanichean heresies (like the cathars and the bogomils), and early modern proliferation of witchcraft. And although the normie reviewers don't grasp it and ridicule him for it, for all intents and purposes he is right, they share this outspoken hostility toward procreation.
There is an excellent “vampireseque” novel from an Argentine writer “Federico Aldahazi” called “Las Piadosas” that expands on this topic. Consider reading it if you know Spanish.
It would be nice if we had different words for the different specific versions of "witch." In English, we use the term to refer both to the stuff you're talking about here and simultaneously the older pagan practices that were almost completely the opposite (one being anti-life or anti-natal, while the other was almost radically pro-life and really just about divine feminine archetypes). Maybe this has bled into our culture with the idea of the "good witch" and "bad witch" like in Wizard of Oz, but it'd be nice if we categorized them as two completely different things...
Terry Pratchett nailed it perfectly. And had the decency to not only care about witches but about magicians, wizards and sorceres, too, the often perilous legacy and symbolic of which can be also found in todays world.
@@alena-qu9vj I hadn't read Pratchett's books, but because of your comment I just looked up the Wikipedia article on the witches of Discworld and it's very interesting... Thanks for drawing my attention to that.
JD Vance was correct in the statement about cat ladies (witches+familiars). The question is what to do about it. Any witch burning would be so radical and anti-liberal that any benefits that it may potentially provide would be off set by any number of unintended consequences
Romans 12:19-21 English Standard Version 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
No, it would be anti-christian as witch burning was common in pagan times and Christianity actually abolished it for 1000 years only to revive it in a schizotypical frenzy in the early modern period after the Western Church started to act like a paranoid bureaucracy after the Papal Gregorian Revolution and absolutism (backed by forged documents) and it's top-down management and strong clericalism absent in the East. I don't know what liberalism has to do with this but Many larpers like the Orthobros or Rad Trads are actually rebelling against Christian values themselves by trying to glorify like many fake reactionaries the inquisition and other deviencies with their utter moral imbecility. Both wokesters and tribal sectarian larpers are deformed extremes of Christianity. If you look at 6th century Justinian's reforms and the granting of many rights to women and children (if you look at their content many trads would call Justinian a feminist and a modernist) justified by Christian values you understand that while liberalism is a deformation any type of self restrain and antitribalism implicit in the Christian message (very radical and almost utopian but still true) is actually Christianity in disguise and the various based orthobros and rad trads are actually unconscious pagans with ubermench dreams rebelling against some Christian values and in fact what they are saying about "liberalism" today resembles what Roman pagans said about Christianity.
Dear Mr Pageau, Would you please consider a conversation with Dr Segall? I think it would be a fruitful crossover. I asked Dr Segall, and he has expressed an openness to this. All the best.
This is deep! Even though some of this stuff sounds crazy on the surface it rings true in many ways. There's also a recently released movie about the female demon Jonathan mentions (Succubus) which illustrates some of these same ideas
If i might respectfully offer some counterpoints to this video: This is a very interesting subject matter. I do agree that there has been an undeniable decline in the strength and primacy of the family unit throughout modernity. However, i do not agree with some of the more extreme conclusions drawn here. Overall the document discussed in this video is quite interesting, and i thank the creator of this video for making me aware of its existence. I have not seen any other content by this creator, and i hope i am not misunderstanding any context or intention here. Here are the questions that spring to mind in relation to these ideas 1) the concept of “secondary causes” as a way of supporting one’s argument seems to get into some murky and conveniently malleable territory as far as evidence goes. Really this issue has a root in the dichotomy between Inductive and Deductive reasoning; i would argue that this document is addressing early modern problems with a medieval style of argumentation of deductive reasoning, where as the scientific revolution which would soon follow this period began using Inductive reasoning primarily. I fully recognize that the nature of some elements of our world, especially complex systems of culture or the very real hyperspace of consciousness and ideas are intangible and resistant to investigation by induction, but nonetheless i find some conclusions drawn by this document to be a bit of a stretch even if in some sense the goal might have been to express a symbolic archetypal representation of a phenomenon. 2) the contemporary example of pornography acting as a perverse “demonic” influence on the individual and society by using disembodied images and ideas of sexual partners is a profound and disturbing reality which i can certainly agree with 3)the concept of witchcraft is something which shows up in many times and places around the world. For example, even today in some parts of Africa , CHILDREN can be shunned from communities and face neglect and starvation because they have been designated by their community as being a “witch” of some sort. I recall reading an article of a woman who runs a philanthropic organization which seeks out and cares for such children. The point is; this concept of fear of witches is much older and more universal than the western tradition, and I wonder what that means, because it clearly isnt something isolated to gender or age. There is something about the fear of the infinite possibilities of the unknown and unknowable (unprovable!) which is perhaps psychologically tied to it’s polar opposite; the perpetuation of life, humanity, and the sacred primacy of birth, which then leads to this projection of an archetypal fear of a distortion of that process, which takes the form of witches and witchcraft in many folk traditions. Now, to me, these are humanized REPRESENTATIONS of abstract notions, but what often happens is the that we forget the original premise of abstraction and start to believe in the physical reality of such things when we observe the phenomena in the world which the archetypal representations describe (inductive reasoning) 4)all this fear mongering about some abstract “demonic evil” embodied by witches seems to be to be an attempt to use the language of the time to discuss a real breakdown in societal order which has more economic and anthropological root causes. The transition into modernity and commercial capitalism was quite disruptive and certainly frayed much of European society at that time. We might also recall that throughout much of history women were treated like absolute trash with little to no voice or rights, so even if there was some sort of trend of women engaging in a death cult like ideology, perhaps we can view that as a very logical outcome of the system; a reactionary, shadow like antithesis attempting to match the evil oppression of one system with a rebellious opposite of equal or greater evil. Some ideas are so wrong, that even their opposite is still wrong I am married to none of these ideas, i wish to engage in a dialectic above all. I hope anyone finds this a relevant contribution to the discussion, good luck to all in all endeavors and thanks for reading.
I agree with your first point, it seems like he was interpreting it very loosely in ways to find examples in our modern society that he is against to match it but the original meaning was often something else, for example the gathering of seeds was to my knowledge more meant in a literal way that they thought a succubus would literally "sleep" with a man (while he sleeps, like through a sexual dream) and get it directly from him or through letting a women (witch) sleep with him. But to connect that to images of naked women in our culture is a stretch and is were I disagree with him and also partially with your second point. Don't get me wrong there are certainly some type of videos that feel truly wicked and the people in it look like they have no soul. But there are also a lot of images or videos of regular people (real couples for example) that just film themselves having real sex that doesn't feel soulless or influenced by demons. And I've stopped watching it years ago for other reasons so I'm not just defending my habits, I just think it's wrong to demonize (healthy) sexuality, and it seems to me the root why people think it's wrong isn't looking at naked image's itself, it's that some people still have this medieval belief that masturbating in general is bad, because whether you look at an image of a naked woman/man or just imagine one in your mind the physical act is the same, in both cases you're not with a real partner, so it's either evil in both cases or fine in both cases.
It's enough to look at how this topic is treated across the modern fiction, books and movies and comics, how respected the Wicca is (yeah, I know that it's a modern thing, but it can serve as a reference.) My point is: - everything related to witches is extremely popular and "cool," and their ideological enemies, namely Christians, are constantly besmeared and portrayed in a negative light. Without even mentioning some other stuff it's enough to see that they've won.
Read it in university and still have a copy somewhere. Never got around to doing any actual witch hunting. Also, I don't think the author was a very happy man.
I loved this video it’s such an interesting insight. I wondered what your insights are into whether the witches that were punished so brutally were indeed guilty of what they were accused? Everything is so upside down just now I don’t know what to think. I did think that they were not, but actually that these women were just people that didn’t please the religious ways of the time. But is there another way to think about this period and these people?
Whether something like witches or the supernatural really exists or not, the vast majority, probably all or almost all, of the cases that were killed were just regular people. Not only can you tell because the perpetrators were either incredibly stupid religiously fanatic peasants that suspected someone to be a witch for basically everything that didn't 100% align with their belief, in many cases it was also corruption or just spite (like person a doesn't like person b or wants the land of person b, so just say she's a witch, find some friends or mindless idiots that agree with you and her fate is basically sealed) and the way to find out wether they were a witch or not were also just ridiculous like "we'll put her under water, if she survives shes a witch, if not she was human" (and guess what, they basically just drowned a bunch of innocent people that way). Also often people weren't even seriously accused of being a witch, they were just suspected of maybe being one and then were tortured for so long until they admitted it and said whatever they wanted to hear just so it would stop. Maybe witches are real, maybe the devil and demons are real, but the true evil in the middle ages didn't come from them, it was dumb religious christian fanatics that killed and tortured the most people, ironically in the name of Jesus who preached peace and love and forgiveness. Also just in case you're not convinced yet that they were bad people, those good christians in the middle ages also had no problems with r*ping women, whether it's christian knights taking peasant women by force or christian soldiers that r*ped and murdered non christian women in the crusades for example. Also they of course also tortured, castrated and killed homosexuals in many christian countries.
The inquisition did some bad things, yes. However it wasn't nearly as bad as some say. On top of it they oddly added some rationality to the things people were bringing up, like the book Jonathan talks about in this video. They also basically initiated the very idea of "devil's advocate" representation for the accused (basically one of the very origins of the concept of the defense lawyer). Also, there were broader political, cultural and religious issues that people today rarely take into account when speaking about the Inquisition. Given some of the conclusions of Jonathan in this video, one wonders if the inquisition *should* have taken the contents of the said book more seriously.
Yeah, I think it can also be seen in the book of Samuel, where King Saul was ordered by God to wipe out all of the Amalekites. He didn't follow through with it entirely and thus generations down the line there were problems. It's also to remember that even after so many falls, God still corrects the outcome to what was meant to be, tenspite our transgressions.
Yeah, Hollywood pushed the idea of the big bad Spanish Inquisition. Hollywood tends to lie a lot. Like every time they need a medieval setting, they will cover the town and the people with tons of mud. There was this story they were going to film in a well-preserved European medieval town, the first thing they did was to cover the whole area in mud. Always the association must be made that the Middle Ages equals ''the dark ages'', with dirt, squalor, superstition and crudeness, which lasted until the ""Enlightenment"", culminating in the foundation of the United States.
7:34. Could this also be impotence? Have not read this book. Incubus and succubus... Pornography has been an effective tool for these objectives. 9:06. The same questions exist regarding the birth of Nephilim. 10:18. Wow interesting about incubus & succubus stealing seed. This makes me think of a video you did where you talk about Genesis 38, Onan wasting his seed, and how what he did was sinful in the sight of The Lord. (Genesis 38 has deeper implications, too, as it's about lineage of Jesus, just mentioning this specific point). Great video, great insights.
You need to look at the Classical precedents too: Demeter is a thinly veiled child sacrifice (not just Persephone but also of the boy child she tries to pass through fire to give him “immortality “) and then far more explicitly the Punic Phoenician child sacrifice cult of Baal. There is extensive extant Roman invective writing against this, and now the archaeological finds confirm this practice through the uncovering of Tophets cemeteries of child burnt offerings buried in earthenware pots. The grimness of this practice was condemned not only by the pagan Romans but even more so by the Jews whose patriarch Abraham (Avram) refused (or was inspired by YHWH to refuse) to sacrifice Isaac. When we look at our post-Christian age we must look at the pre- Christian age to understand where we are heading when we destroy the tradition of our ancestors…. I think if anyone thought this through sufficiently rigorously they would feel horror at what may happen.
you are correct - we are headed back into a demonic dark age of barbarism. which is inevitable when you try to remove Christ - the light of truth, from the world. it gets plunged back into darkness.
you are correct - we are headed back into a demonic dark age of barbarism. which is inevitable when you try to remove Christ - the light of truth, from the world. it gets plunged back into darkness.
But we only have one example of a culture where we have actual evidence of regular child sacrifice, Phoenicians (and some of the Canaanites in Canaan that also worshipped Baal, which is where the Phoenicians/Carthaginians came from originally). But pretty much every other culture from the pre christian age that didn't have the bible or god to guide them still didn't sacrifice children (like Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians, Celts, Minoans, Hittites, Sumerians just to name a few) so I don't think we can make such a clear distinction of "christianity - good morals in society" and "no christianity - corrupt society". Even generally the idea that a christian society has good morals is a relatively recent development. Just look at the middle ages where basically everybody was a deeply religious christian, and that's exactly the time were we got things like the inquisition and witchhunts that killed and tortured thousands of innocent people, christian knights regularly r*aped peasant women, christian soldiers regularly r*aped and killed non christian women in wars all the time. Also the torture, castration and often also killing of homosexuals (which the christian bible even commands people to do) in most of the christian countries in the middle ages. So I honestly don't see how our society was that much better when it was completely christian.
Thank you for your reply. You make many valid points. However there is a muddle between 1. Christians & 2. Christianity. Furthermore you are mistaken re human sacrifice. The Romans & Greeks certainly performed infanticide as did all ancient peoples perhaps not on the scale of the Phoenicians but nonetheless. Secondly the bloodlusty execution by crucifixion, gladiatorial combat and ‘throwing to lions’ etc should be considered human sacrifice of a sort. I do not wish to minimise but the numbers of execution during the Inquisition are surprisingly low considering the received thinking. We should certainly include the horrific biting of witches which mainly was a Protestant phenomenon. How about Pogroms and the Shoa too? That must count as human sacrifice to my mind. Let’s not forget the Incas or the many African cults that call for human sacrifice to appease the gods.. Basically my argument is that humans have consistently done the most horrific things to each other and very little holds them back. So inspite of all the many sins of most of us, any thinking whether it is religious or humanitarian that holds us back is useful. In this the Romans, Jews and subsequently the Christians actively tried to proscribe against human and especially infant sacrifice. For this they deserve our gratitude s the basis for the values that holds life sacred.
Oh let me add that the Vikings & Celts performed human sacrifice both of those willing and unwilling. The Egyptians entombed hécatombe of retainers at the death of their pharaohs and court officials. In India many women weee encouraged even in the 20th century to perform sutee (death by burning) at the demise of their husband. Human sacrifice is both widespread and pervasive… and horrific. I am pretty certain we shall discover it was widespread amongst the Hittites and Sumerians too.
Hi Jonathan. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about one of the fault lines in current cultural discourse that seems fundamental to me. Maybe you could flesh out the idea? A classical education, before woke indoctrination became paramount, typically involved a great deal of in-depth reading that helped students see the world through the eyes of people from different eras and from a plethora of vantage points. It broadened horizons and helped young people understand that we are all fundamentally the same, across time and cultures, the human condition remained constant. This is a basic but essential proposition at the heart of a liberal arts education. Perhaps it's the adage, "To know thyself is the beginning of wisdom" given a starting point to achieve essential wisdom in preparation for reaching beyond, striving for the divine? Maybe I'm uneducated in my understanding of the woke mindset, but there seems to be a presuppositional disagreement along these lines. One so fundamental that boomers and gen X'ers have no idea what younger millennials and gen Z'er are on about. Especially from a literary, historical, and cultural perspective. The Marxist and CRT deconstructionist lens servers this classical worldview at its heart and orients an "othering" perspective that creates an inexplicable divide that leaves a gulf of incomprehensibility between the generations? There's plenty of content online about grievance studies as Marxism as such, but not any that's I've seen that looks at this particular fault line and its implications. Your perspective would be valuable on "know thyself"as an central ideal of education and the ramifications of decentering this pursuit. That is, if you think there's any substance to this idea.
This reminds of the sir philip sydney, in his defense of poesy. Castrating of the poem, for thr abundance of prose. Around time. And bewitched is a based term for, the nubbing of the fruitmaker.
It's not controversial to say that Early Modern Period started around 1550, it's widely accepted amongst historians, some even put it up to a century earlier. It is however prudent to remind people, even some historians, that the witch trials didn't start until the very END of the 1500s and most fell between 1600-1750. You will still find them falling into the narrative trap even though they logically understand: End of Medieval: late 1400s/early 1500s Witch Trials: Late 1500s & throughout 1600s There's a weird cognitive dissonance to it
'There's a weird cognitive dissonance to it' It's obscurantism. The same way, American culture is presented as unique from the Old World when in fact being a Jacobin colony, reflected in every state seal.
I wonder where the intro music is from?! Sounds so familiar but I can't pinpointed. It's definitely from the southern western Balkans and/or southern Italy.
Cool concept. Jonatan have you seen new Vatican mascot? Does they have power of anime and god by they side now? XD Does it bother you that maskot name is Luce , wich means light in italian, which is also super close to Lucifer?
Seems like everything that can be imagined at one point or another, through "secondary causes", attains some level of physical manifestation. Wonder what elves will be like...(in all seriousness)
This has revealed a lot for me. I’m unsure about one thing though. How does ‘having another man’s baby’ lead to extinction? I can see how it leads to more confusion in the world but can’t quite figure out how that equates to less.
All that turns away from God leads to destruction. Children should be regarded as the fruit of the sacred union of two people in God. This is the most realistic path to sanctity for most, as the majority are not called to priesthood (I mean sanctity, not just salvation; Im talking further then that). The more you stray from this path, the harder it will be, as you will become more vulnerable to deception and despair. The same effect impacts children. Socially, the more these alternative forms become normalized, the more entitled people will feel to pursue personal desires rather than the Good, more disfunction.
@@usachev2010 I know plenty of men that care about and love the child that's not theirs. And I also know plenty fathers that don't care about of love their own child, so it's not that black and white. Also sometimes it's better that the women leaves with the child and looks for a better partner if the real father doesn't want to have anything to do with her or the child anymore anyway or would be a horrible father. Also sometimes the father just leaves on his own and the woman has no other option than to loon for another man to not have to raise the child alone.
Is it possible, demons being a type of angel (messenger), a demon is a symbol/idea/message/propaganda that influences behavior by changing the idea of the witness?
It was NOT a DESIRE TO DESTROY THE WORLD, Jonathan. It was a DESIRE to MARRY A MAN THEY LOVE AND CHOOSE. But I agree 100% with the UGLY REALITY of today, and there seems to be a connection indeed...
Witches as agents of entropy. I see an awful lot of this today (and not just in the areas that you mention - we can see it in the nihilistic music as well, from at least the 70s onwards).
No I think that Feminism is a deformed version of Christianity, look at the reforms and granting of very significant rights to women and children made by Byzantine Emperor Justinian in the 6th century, they are impressive and justified by Christian values, many based rad trads are actually unconscious pagans with ubermenshen dreams larping as Christians and unconsciously rebelling against some Christian values because if one REALLY follows trough the Gospel's message fully he soon discovers how radical (and almost utopian) it is.
Sorry, I was loading the dishwasher..something about Succubus fetching seed and visiting the ladies? First thought that came to mind was Hitler's orphaned babies..
In some pro choice protests here where i live there are chicks holding signs saying "I am the Grandughter of the witches they could not burn" (even tho their actual grandmas thinks the smurfs are satanic) If i am in the mood I may write a sign "And I am the descendent of the Inquisitors, here to finish the job" Edit: This is not an insitation to burn anyone or to physical violence. Calm down.
Incoming from an anonymous source *Abortion is a human sacrifice ritual; the most powerful known to exist. It was invented by eugenicists who traveled in elite circles of the occult to curry Satan's favor and gain his protection for their warmongering, usury, currency manipulation, and propaganda efforts to turn brothers against brothers on the eve of World War I. Listen, you normie. Why is abortion such a powerful form of human sacrifice? Because it entails the killing of the most defenseless victims imaginable (the unborn) by the very persons most duty-bound to love them and protect them from harm: their own mothers and the doctors who minister to them. An added bonus (from an occult point of view) is the violation of the doctors' oaths to do no harm. The ritualized murders that society euphemistically calls "abortions," or even more euphemistically "women's health," are furthermore carried out in a nonchalant and clinical manner in order to lessen the potential resistance to the slaughter. Perhaps worse, it's generally done to facilitate a woman's hedonistic apathy, laziness, and selfish desire for convenience. Killing your own child to save yourself the trouble of raising a boy or girl of your own flesh symbolically elevates the pleasure of 10 seconds of vaginal muscle contractions above the value of a lifetime of sentient experience that could otherwise be enjoyed by a living, breathing, conscious human being. In short, Satanists who crave evil power love abortion because it perfectly symbolizes evil within cruelty within evil. It satanically inverts the very symbols of compassion and love (mothers and doctors) into cold, unfeeling and spiritually numbed executioners of the purest innocence. So, the next time you see a woman in America screeching about her rights, or the ultimate euphemism: "reproductive justice," from the steps of a state capitol building, take a look into her empty pinwheel eyes and know what you're really looking at. This is not just a simple murderer*
Good stuff. It's like when you notice that the fruit in Eden that Eve tried to take was Adam's manhood and the fruit Adam took afterwards was Eve's womanhood, which is why he then named her.
I’m alarmed that such an extreme interpretation as this would be presented without a more rigorous approach to critical thinking. Based on the comments under this video, this interpretation has encouraged its viewers to openly dehumanise childless women with dogs, or who read erotic novels, or express an interest in alternative spiritual practices. It’s disappointing that the ideas in this video seem to lack the same tolerance and openness that one might expect in a discussion on spirituality, particularly in terms of alternative spiritual practices, diverse lifestyles, and beliefs, including those related to women’s and LGBTQ rights. To me, this approach feels akin to religious fundamentalism, which can have devastating implications for a liberal and tolerant society where different beliefs can coexist. I came across your work through a Dr John Vervaeke lecture, and by association assumed it would engage with a balanced and thoughtful perspective. While I understand that Vervaeke has a background in Buddhist thought and is not an Orthodox Christian, I had hoped that the content here would reflect similar values of openness and inclusivity. It feels as though this video relies on an interpretation that may not align with the kind of liberal values one might associate with a secular Buddhist perspective. This interpretation of the Malleus Maleficarum comes across as overly extreme and lacks the intellectual rigour one might expect in the 21st century. Rather than philosophy, this seems more akin to sophistry, which prioritises easy and slick arguments over the more painstaking pursuit of knowledge or objective truth. I believe many others would also agree that this perspective doesn't contribute meaningfully to mainstream discussions about the connection between modern cultural movements, spirituality and religion. To me, this video clearly illustrates a concerning, or even dark, aspect of symbolic thinking, where subjective interpretations can be easily mistaken for objective truth or moral frameworks that can then be imposed onto others. Symbolic thinking is valuable in personal spirituality and the arts, but I believe it’s not a reliable way to interpret complex histories, social dynamics, or scientific facts. In my experience, any insights derived from symbolic thinking serve best as personal guides toward understanding of one's self, in the context of personal, subjective gnosis, rather than as objective truths to be applied to others’ preferences, lifestyles and beliefs.
From all the interpretations of witches and witchcraft that I've heard, this is certainly a fresh view, and not completely unplausible in my opinion. One would hope that the audience of Pageau (and Vervaeke) are wise or morally mature enough to not go into insane conclusions of this. Open mindedness means though being open to interpretations or explanations, that might be of extreme nature.
@@oskarbrenner13 Unfortunately, the comments on this video show that your hope may already be misplaced. As I mentioned in my original comment, we see viewers openly dehumanising women who are childless, own pets, read novels, or explore alternative spiritual paths, while supporting a scapegoating narrative that associates modern women with demons and evil. This discussion has crossed into territory that’s already damaging to a tolerant society. While Pageau’s symbolic interpretations may seem compelling, his approach overlooks a key component of symbolic thinking: understanding correspondences (finding likenesses between things) as subjective, rather than objective truths. This distinction is crucial because confusing symbolic impressions with reality risks creating harmful propaganda and misrepresenting shared history. There's value in teaching symbolic thinking to explore personal meaning within texts, but ignoring its subjective limits leads to a harmful distortion of truth, and it's simply poor scholarship. To illustrate the problem of symbolic thinking, let's switch the symbols: imagine fascism, rather than witchcraft, as our example. There’s a modern movement marked by creeping authoritarianism and moral absolutism that reflects fascism’s history of oppressing minorities. Symbolically, we might view fascists as parasitical entities who hijack religion to enforce their authority and legitimise prejudice. They often leverage academia to lend credibility and infiltrate the mainstream, like an ‘incubus’ that preys on society while it sleeps. History teaches us that when we fail to recognise these patterns early, the damage is already done. It seems plausible, doesn't it. But in this case, the example is deliberately exaggerated and incendiary, making a point about how symbolism works - not to stoke fear of rising fascism. To be clear, I have not conducted research into modern fascism and could not honestly say if it is rising or not; I cannot say if fascism links to religion or academia in the ways I've implied. I'm demonstrating how I can form correspondences and weave a narrative out of fear and liberal bias, intuition and impression. Thinking symbolically is easy and quite enjoyable. You can produce many plausible insights that sound compelling, you may even believe in them, and get others to believe in them, but it doesn't make your insights objectively true, i.e, grounded in reality.
@@BiancaJelly-t2k I think this video explores the similar fears present in early modern Europe and today's West. In a changing environment, some men fear women's autonomy and come up with imaginative reasons why women don't want to submit to male needs. I won't make any guesses whether this exploration is intentional or not.
@@BiancaJelly-t2k I would have to rewatch the video to refresh my mind, but except of the very striking analogy between the thoughts of the author and quite widespread thoughts of modern times, (which makes the analogy seem too good to be true), why would the interpretation be subjective? Or, what would falsify it? You warn of this extreme interpretation, but then give an example of faschism. But many of the movements, which can be labelled under "woke" or "extreme left", are characterized under kind of thinking presented in the video - and often they are quite militant. Not directly the same as faschism, but they seem to have lasting effects on the general spirit of countries, and might/will lead to damage. The damage is not perhaps as easily measured as the damage done by faschism, but damage nonethless. I might have railed of the discussion, but I intepreted or sensed some possible fear in your answer, which led me to this reply.
Saint Paul kinda advocated for celibacy and we have the figure of the eunuchs in old testament. How to conciliate this with what you just said in the video?
I'm not totally sure why we always translate "maleficarum" as "of witches" when, literally, it means "of evil-doers." The Latin for "witch" is "maga" as in magi and magic. A female magic-doer.
and in french : sorcière (witch) from source- ière , those connected to the source "maga" is indeed one term used, derived from Ancient Greek "magos" wich mean in french : trésors (mago)
The world needs more Pageau content with a parental warning
Screw the warning
Yeah I'm here for it.
Screen the content your kids watch. Simple as that.
My comment seems to be misinterpreted. I'm saying we need more symbolism for adults type of thing
@@Bakarost Why does the warning have you upset?
Jonathan getting that Rasputin look for Halloween.
Its a reposted video from 2020, it says so in the description.
Except clean
Hopefully he decides to no-shave November out his eyebrows too
😂
I received a lot of revelations watching this. Thank you. Our culture is indeed bewitched and it started long ago. As you said the effects are just now becoming evident.
Are the revelations in the room with you right now?
@@trenthoward6800 yes
I always love the Halloween edition of the Symbolic World
The most insane part of this book is not what it’s written, but just how applicable it is to modern culture 😩.
God have mercy on us.
Pray to God for critical thinking skills: a virtue and blessing you clearly do not possess.
Christ have mercy on us
That is without a doubt the scariest Halloween story I've ever heard.
This concept of "secondary causes" is very interesting.
as usual,BASED to the gills. Thank you Jonathan!!
This is definitely one of your greatest videos. What a heck of a connection to draw.
Thank you Jonathan. That was a very interesting take. There's an interesting rabbit hole to delve down concerning the development of the (very thin and sketchy) academic ideas which underpin current thinking on gender issues. Basically a very small group that seem to have looked after each others interests and validated each others work. You can also see some very high profile Hollywood players who have raised their children in exactly the way you describe. Far more prevalent in this community than in the wider world, why is that? The clue may be in the esoteric significance of the Holly Wood and 'Bel Air' etc.
Wow 🤯. Thanks for sharing. It does make sense.
Very interesting, would love a longer video on the book. Your production quality is sky rocketing 👌
It was a poorly placed political ad that followed this video: a couple wanting to move to North Carolina, but afraid that “conservative” laws would keep them from family planning.
Wow. I don't get at all, the obsession that some poeple have with their ability to kill human fetuses. It is absolutely mind boggeling. As if this was elementary necessity in life like breathing and eating.
but so true
@@CIA.2024-u9b I mean getting a child when you're 20-25 for example and way too early before your financially and cognitively ready for it (meaning mature enough to be a good parent) is bad for everyone involved, including the child. So I think it's good that people are aware of that and are trying to prevent that in the rare but possible scenario that whatever method of contraception failed. Most of those couples want children eventually, they just want to be able to prevent it from happening too early in life.
And trust me I know a lot of couples that didn't do an abortion and where the children are definitely now suffering from it because they are horrible at parenting because they're way too young, or the relationship wasn't serious and now the 22 year old mother is alone with the child, some even already have multiple children at 24 and aren't even financially able or mentally mature enough to properly support just one. So yes I do think it's good that people are thinking about this seriously and don't just say "whatever, if we get one accidentally I'm sure it will will work out well".
Wow, Jonathan just explained in the most coherent way what the Nephilim are and how they came to be beyond the literalism of how modern Christians would explain and understand it today, without even mentioning the word “Nephilim” or referencing The Book of Enoch.
I have been waiting for this!!!!!
Jonathan, friends and I watched a Broadway play in New York yesterday called Teeth. A church leader and some hapless young followers are literally dismembered by the lead female character. We sat stunned, but the applause was deafening.
I mean the witch has become one of THE definitive sex symbols...
I believe that the doctrine of the family as taught by Jesus Christ is, if not the most restrictive, at least one of the most restrictive Christian doctrines, but it is not unfair at all, on the contrary, what man can achieve by respecting the doctrine taught by Jesus is not only salvation but also deification.
That is why I believe that this aspect is one of the most targeted when it comes to tempting man, because sexual energy is the most difficult to manage, sexuality represents the most sensitive point of man, especially in conditions in which other human needs are covered.
These aspects are contained in the first chapters of Genesis, from the moment when God makes the statement: "It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make him a helper suitable for him", immediately after giving him the first law:
"Of every tree of the garden you may eat,
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die!"
I appreciate the frankness with which the subject was approached.
Spot on
I would have dearly wanted to hear this about 20 years ago. Normal sexuality as a subject was frequently avoided or glossed over in my learning the Orthodox faith. Unfortunately, I didn't see the spiritual significance of being sterilized. Lord have mercy on me.
When you're too based for the Inquisition.
based? based on what?
Yeah you're not catholic....
@@notloki3377 "Based" is gen-z slang for "Cool" or something like that.
@@noelhalvordson6465 I know what based means.. and it doesn't mean "cool." It means "based in reality" as in "based and redpilled." (Matrix reference.) The opposite of based is "cringe" which means "you hide from the truth."
I was facetiously pretending to not know the slang, while simultaneously asking what this guy's "red pilled truth" is.
Happy halloween
So are we falling asleep or waking up? Or maybe it's one of those rough nights... curious what your thoughts are on alien abductions in particular, seems related.
The rates of abuse when the father is not the biological father are much higher. Even if they don’t consciously know we can still smell our kin.
It is called “The Cinderella Effect”, abuse rates are 100 times higher with non-biological fathers/men live in the household.
Fascinating! Thanks so much for sharing. Talk about eye-opening 😳
Bless you Jonathan for this message, it is revelatory, and on All Hallows Eve. May God bless your ministry and protect you from all the crafts of the devil and his minions.
Witches? She turned me into a newt!
A newt?! I got better
Newtured
It’s difficult to describe things of a spiritual nature, sometimes all you have to go on is the outcome.
Yes! Can't wait to watch this!
Looking more and more like your brother with that beard! Good video, seems legit
Birth control, porn, homosexuality, abortion, surrogacy, etc.
And feminism
These are a few of your favorite things?
8:00 hence why Montague Summers in his magnum opus "History of Witchcraft and Demonology" stresses the direct connection between the late medieval neomanichean heresies (like the cathars and the bogomils), and early modern proliferation of witchcraft. And although the normie reviewers don't grasp it and ridicule him for it, for all intents and purposes he is right, they share this outspoken hostility toward procreation.
The bogomils were merely rejecting the imperial authority that infected the church.
It would be cool if you did a video interviewing Ronald Hutton some day
There is an excellent “vampireseque” novel from an Argentine writer “Federico Aldahazi” called “Las Piadosas” that expands on this topic. Consider reading it if you know Spanish.
It would be nice if we had different words for the different specific versions of "witch." In English, we use the term to refer both to the stuff you're talking about here and simultaneously the older pagan practices that were almost completely the opposite (one being anti-life or anti-natal, while the other was almost radically pro-life and really just about divine feminine archetypes).
Maybe this has bled into our culture with the idea of the "good witch" and "bad witch" like in Wizard of Oz, but it'd be nice if we categorized them as two completely different things...
Terry Pratchett nailed it perfectly.
And had the decency to not only care about witches but about magicians, wizards and sorceres, too, the often perilous legacy and symbolic of which can be also found in todays world.
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I hadn't read Pratchett's books, but because of your comment I just looked up the Wikipedia article on the witches of Discworld and it's very interesting...
Thanks for drawing my attention to that.
We all know what the ultimate pendulum switch looks like from the book of Revelation.
How does it look like?
Wow 😮 it is true
Sad that now we think of it as normal
JD Vance was correct in the statement about cat ladies (witches+familiars). The question is what to do about it. Any witch burning would be so radical and anti-liberal that any benefits that it may potentially provide would be off set by any number of unintended consequences
You think? 😅
That's why they won
Romans 12:19-21
English Standard Version
19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Repentance and prayer are our weapons. And martyrdom if it comes to it.
No, it would be anti-christian as witch burning was common in pagan times and Christianity actually abolished it for 1000 years only to revive it in a schizotypical frenzy in the early modern period after the Western Church started to act like a paranoid bureaucracy after the Papal Gregorian Revolution and absolutism (backed by forged documents) and it's top-down management and strong clericalism absent in the East. I don't know what liberalism has to do with this but Many larpers like the Orthobros or Rad Trads are actually rebelling against Christian values themselves by trying to glorify like many fake reactionaries the inquisition and other deviencies with their utter moral imbecility. Both wokesters and tribal sectarian larpers are deformed extremes of Christianity. If you look at 6th century Justinian's reforms and the granting of many rights to women and children (if you look at their content many trads would call Justinian a feminist and a modernist) justified by Christian values you understand that while liberalism is a deformation any type of self restrain and antitribalism implicit in the Christian message (very radical and almost utopian but still true) is actually Christianity in disguise and the various based orthobros and rad trads are actually unconscious pagans with ubermench dreams rebelling against some Christian values and in fact what they are saying about "liberalism" today resembles what Roman pagans said about Christianity.
Amazing parallel with the modern day alien abduction phenomenon, ‘gathering seed’ and impregnating others against their will.
Dear Mr Pageau,
Would you please consider a conversation with Dr Segall?
I think it would be a fruitful crossover. I asked Dr Segall, and he has expressed an openness to this.
All the best.
My favorite reference manual on the subject is "History of Witchcraft and Demonology" by fr. A. Montague Summers.
That is completely fascinating!
*witches hid behind the Pagan name*
Even Pagans recognized "witches" as evil
lol your name.
This is deep! Even though some of this stuff sounds crazy on the surface it rings true in many ways. There's also a recently released movie about the female demon Jonathan mentions (Succubus) which illustrates some of these same ideas
If i might respectfully offer some counterpoints to this video:
This is a very interesting subject matter. I do agree that there has been an undeniable decline in the strength and primacy of the family unit throughout modernity. However, i do not agree with some of the more extreme conclusions drawn here. Overall the document discussed in this video is quite interesting, and i thank the creator of this video for making me aware of its existence. I have not seen any other content by this creator, and i hope i am not misunderstanding any context or intention here.
Here are the questions that spring to mind in relation to these ideas
1) the concept of “secondary causes” as a way of supporting one’s argument seems to get into some murky and conveniently malleable territory as far as evidence goes. Really this issue has a root in the dichotomy between Inductive and Deductive reasoning; i would argue that this document is addressing early modern problems with a medieval style of argumentation of deductive reasoning, where as the scientific revolution which would soon follow this period began using Inductive reasoning primarily. I fully recognize that the nature of some elements of our world, especially complex systems of culture or the very real hyperspace of consciousness and ideas are intangible and resistant to investigation by induction, but nonetheless i find some conclusions drawn by this document to be a bit of a stretch even if in some sense the goal might have been to express a symbolic archetypal representation of a phenomenon.
2) the contemporary example of pornography acting as a perverse “demonic” influence on the individual and society by using disembodied images and ideas of sexual partners is a profound and disturbing reality which i can certainly agree with
3)the concept of witchcraft is something which shows up in many times and places around the world. For example, even today in some parts of Africa , CHILDREN can be shunned from communities and face neglect and starvation because they have been designated by their community as being a “witch” of some sort. I recall reading an article of a woman who runs a philanthropic organization which seeks out and cares for such children. The point is; this concept of fear of witches is much older and more universal than the western tradition, and I wonder what that means, because it clearly isnt something isolated to gender or age. There is something about the fear of the infinite possibilities of the unknown and unknowable (unprovable!) which is perhaps psychologically tied to it’s polar opposite; the perpetuation of life, humanity, and the sacred primacy of birth, which then leads to this projection of an archetypal fear of a distortion of that process, which takes the form of witches and witchcraft in many folk traditions. Now, to me, these are humanized REPRESENTATIONS of abstract notions, but what often happens is the that we forget the original premise of abstraction and start to believe in the physical reality of such things when we observe the phenomena in the world which the archetypal representations describe (inductive reasoning)
4)all this fear mongering about some abstract “demonic evil” embodied by witches seems to be to be an attempt to use the language of the time to discuss a real breakdown in societal order which has more economic and anthropological root causes. The transition into modernity and commercial capitalism was quite disruptive and certainly frayed much of European society at that time. We might also recall that throughout much of history women were treated like absolute trash with little to no voice or rights, so even if there was some sort of trend of women engaging in a death cult like ideology, perhaps we can view that as a very logical outcome of the system; a reactionary, shadow like antithesis attempting to match the evil oppression of one system with a rebellious opposite of equal or greater evil. Some ideas are so wrong, that even their opposite is still wrong
I am married to none of these ideas, i wish to engage in a dialectic above all. I hope anyone finds this a relevant contribution to the discussion, good luck to all in all endeavors and thanks for reading.
I agree with your first point, it seems like he was interpreting it very loosely in ways to find examples in our modern society that he is against to match it but the original meaning was often something else, for example the gathering of seeds was to my knowledge more meant in a literal way that they thought a succubus would literally "sleep" with a man (while he sleeps, like through a sexual dream) and get it directly from him or through letting a women (witch) sleep with him. But to connect that to images of naked women in our culture is a stretch and is were I disagree with him and also partially with your second point.
Don't get me wrong there are certainly some type of videos that feel truly wicked and the people in it look like they have no soul. But there are also a lot of images or videos of regular people (real couples for example) that just film themselves having real sex that doesn't feel soulless or influenced by demons. And I've stopped watching it years ago for other reasons so I'm not just defending my habits, I just think it's wrong to demonize (healthy) sexuality, and it seems to me the root why people think it's wrong isn't looking at naked image's itself, it's that some people still have this medieval belief that masturbating in general is bad, because whether you look at an image of a naked woman/man or just imagine one in your mind the physical act is the same, in both cases you're not with a real partner, so it's either evil in both cases or fine in both cases.
It's enough to look at how this topic is treated across the modern fiction, books and movies and comics, how respected the Wicca is (yeah, I know that it's a modern thing, but it can serve as a reference.) My point is: - everything related to witches is extremely popular and "cool," and their ideological enemies, namely Christians, are constantly besmeared and portrayed in a negative light. Without even mentioning some other stuff it's enough to see that they've won.
Read it in university and still have a copy somewhere. Never got around to doing any actual witch hunting. Also, I don't think the author was a very happy man.
Gracias, buen comentario
I loved this video it’s such an interesting insight.
I wondered what your insights are into whether the witches that were punished so brutally were indeed guilty of what they were accused?
Everything is so upside down just now I don’t know what to think. I did think that they were not, but actually that these women were just people that didn’t please the religious ways of the time. But is there another way to think about this period and these people?
Whether something like witches or the supernatural really exists or not, the vast majority, probably all or almost all, of the cases that were killed were just regular people. Not only can you tell because the perpetrators were either incredibly stupid religiously fanatic peasants that suspected someone to be a witch for basically everything that didn't 100% align with their belief, in many cases it was also corruption or just spite (like person a doesn't like person b or wants the land of person b, so just say she's a witch, find some friends or mindless idiots that agree with you and her fate is basically sealed) and the way to find out wether they were a witch or not were also just ridiculous like "we'll put her under water, if she survives shes a witch, if not she was human" (and guess what, they basically just drowned a bunch of innocent people that way). Also often people weren't even seriously accused of being a witch, they were just suspected of maybe being one and then were tortured for so long until they admitted it and said whatever they wanted to hear just so it would stop.
Maybe witches are real, maybe the devil and demons are real, but the true evil in the middle ages didn't come from them, it was dumb religious christian fanatics that killed and tortured the most people, ironically in the name of Jesus who preached peace and love and forgiveness.
Also just in case you're not convinced yet that they were bad people, those good christians in the middle ages also had no problems with r*ping women, whether it's christian knights taking peasant women by force or christian soldiers that r*ped and murdered non christian women in the crusades for example. Also they of course also tortured, castrated and killed homosexuals in many christian countries.
Makes me think of the film “The Witch” from 2015, set in 1600s tho. Definitely worth watching
I was recently watching “The Origins Of Lilith. Adam’s First Wife?” by ReligionForBreakfast. And let me just say, it’s strangely relevant.
Jonathan not to be much of a fanboy but do you have a gallery in Montreal? Since I am visite.g around Christmas.
The inquisition did some bad things, yes. However it wasn't nearly as bad as some say. On top of it they oddly added some rationality to the things people were bringing up, like the book Jonathan talks about in this video. They also basically initiated the very idea of "devil's advocate" representation for the accused (basically one of the very origins of the concept of the defense lawyer). Also, there were broader political, cultural and religious issues that people today rarely take into account when speaking about the Inquisition. Given some of the conclusions of Jonathan in this video, one wonders if the inquisition *should* have taken the contents of the said book more seriously.
Yeah, I think it can also be seen in the book of Samuel, where King Saul was ordered by God to wipe out all of the Amalekites. He didn't follow through with it entirely and thus generations down the line there were problems. It's also to remember that even after so many falls, God still corrects the outcome to what was meant to be, tenspite our transgressions.
Yeah, Hollywood pushed the idea of the big bad Spanish Inquisition. Hollywood tends to lie a lot. Like every time they need a medieval setting, they will cover the town and the people with tons of mud. There was this story they were going to film in a well-preserved European medieval town, the first thing they did was to cover the whole area in mud. Always the association must be made that the Middle Ages equals ''the dark ages'', with dirt, squalor, superstition and crudeness, which lasted until the ""Enlightenment"", culminating in the foundation of the United States.
and my post got auto-deleted by the algoritm again. What was it this time? Calling out Hollywood for the falsehoods they portray?
poztube keeps deleting my comments
p°zt°°b keeps deleting my comments. Apparently you aren't allowed to point out the fruds perpetrated by Hollywood0.
7:34. Could this also be impotence?
Have not read this book.
Incubus and succubus...
Pornography has been an effective tool for these objectives.
9:06. The same questions exist regarding the birth of Nephilim.
10:18. Wow interesting about incubus & succubus stealing seed. This makes me think of a video you did where you talk about Genesis 38, Onan wasting his seed, and how what he did was sinful in the sight of The Lord. (Genesis 38 has deeper implications, too, as it's about lineage of Jesus, just mentioning this specific point).
Great video, great insights.
sci-vamp... lol
The comments here sickens me. I really wonder who the demons are.
You need to look at the Classical precedents too: Demeter is a thinly veiled child sacrifice (not just Persephone but also of the boy child she tries to pass through fire to give him “immortality “) and then far more explicitly the Punic Phoenician child sacrifice cult of Baal. There is extensive extant Roman invective writing against this, and now the archaeological finds confirm this practice through the uncovering of Tophets cemeteries of child burnt offerings buried in earthenware pots. The grimness of this practice was condemned not only by the pagan Romans but even more so by the Jews whose patriarch Abraham (Avram) refused (or was inspired by YHWH to refuse) to sacrifice Isaac. When we look at our post-Christian age we must look at the pre- Christian age to understand where we are heading when we destroy the tradition of our ancestors…. I think if anyone thought this through sufficiently rigorously they would feel horror at what may happen.
you are correct - we are headed back into a demonic dark age of barbarism. which is inevitable when you try to remove Christ - the light of truth, from the world. it gets plunged back into darkness.
you are correct - we are headed back into a demonic dark age of barbarism. which is inevitable when you try to remove Christ - the light of truth, from the world. it gets plunged back into darkness.
But we only have one example of a culture where we have actual evidence of regular child sacrifice, Phoenicians (and some of the Canaanites in Canaan that also worshipped Baal, which is where the Phoenicians/Carthaginians came from originally). But pretty much every other culture from the pre christian age that didn't have the bible or god to guide them still didn't sacrifice children (like Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Babylonians, Celts, Minoans, Hittites, Sumerians just to name a few) so I don't think we can make such a clear distinction of "christianity - good morals in society" and "no christianity - corrupt society".
Even generally the idea that a christian society has good morals is a relatively recent development. Just look at the middle ages where basically everybody was a deeply religious christian, and that's exactly the time were we got things like the inquisition and witchhunts that killed and tortured thousands of innocent people, christian knights regularly r*aped peasant women, christian soldiers regularly r*aped and killed non christian women in wars all the time. Also the torture, castration and often also killing of homosexuals (which the christian bible even commands people to do) in most of the christian countries in the middle ages. So I honestly don't see how our society was that much better when it was completely christian.
Thank you for your reply. You make many valid points. However there is a muddle between 1. Christians & 2. Christianity. Furthermore you are mistaken re human sacrifice. The Romans & Greeks certainly performed infanticide as did all ancient peoples perhaps not on the scale of the Phoenicians but nonetheless. Secondly the bloodlusty execution by crucifixion, gladiatorial combat and ‘throwing to lions’ etc should be considered human sacrifice of a sort. I do not wish to minimise but the numbers of execution during the Inquisition are surprisingly low considering the received thinking. We should certainly include the horrific biting of witches which mainly was a Protestant phenomenon. How about Pogroms and the Shoa too? That must count as human sacrifice to my mind. Let’s not forget the Incas or the many African cults that call for human sacrifice to appease the gods.. Basically my argument is that humans have consistently done the most horrific things to each other and very little holds them back. So inspite of all the many sins of most of us, any thinking whether it is religious or humanitarian that holds us back is useful. In this the Romans, Jews and subsequently the Christians actively tried to proscribe against human and especially infant sacrifice. For this they deserve our gratitude s the basis for the values that holds life sacred.
Oh let me add that the Vikings & Celts performed human sacrifice both of those willing and unwilling. The Egyptians entombed hécatombe of retainers at the death of their pharaohs and court officials. In India many women weee encouraged even in the 20th century to perform sutee (death by burning) at the demise of their husband. Human sacrifice is both widespread and pervasive… and horrific. I am pretty certain we shall discover it was widespread amongst the Hittites and Sumerians too.
Hi Jonathan. I was wondering if you would consider making a video about one of the fault lines in current cultural discourse that seems fundamental to me. Maybe you could flesh out the idea? A classical education, before woke indoctrination became paramount, typically involved a great deal of in-depth reading that helped students see the world through the eyes of people from different eras and from a plethora of vantage points. It broadened horizons and helped young people understand that we are all fundamentally the same, across time and cultures, the human condition remained constant. This is a basic but essential proposition at the heart of a liberal arts education. Perhaps it's the adage, "To know thyself is the beginning of wisdom" given a starting point to achieve essential wisdom in preparation for reaching beyond, striving for the divine? Maybe I'm uneducated in my understanding of the woke mindset, but there seems to be a presuppositional disagreement along these lines. One so fundamental that boomers and gen X'ers have no idea what younger millennials and gen Z'er are on about. Especially from a literary, historical, and cultural perspective. The Marxist and CRT deconstructionist lens servers this classical worldview at its heart and orients an "othering" perspective that creates an inexplicable divide that leaves a gulf of incomprehensibility between the generations? There's plenty of content online about grievance studies as Marxism as such, but not any that's I've seen that looks at this particular fault line and its implications. Your perspective would be valuable on "know thyself"as an central ideal of education and the ramifications of decentering this pursuit. That is, if you think there's any substance to this idea.
_BRING BACK THE STAKES!_
-a random dude from Dracula town
nice stakes. compensating for something, mr. impaler?
@@notloki3377 yeah, a lack of bloody torture
This reminds of the sir philip sydney, in his defense of poesy. Castrating of the poem, for thr abundance of prose. Around time.
And bewitched is a based term for, the nubbing of the fruitmaker.
It's not controversial to say that Early Modern Period started around 1550, it's widely accepted amongst historians, some even put it up to a century earlier.
It is however prudent to remind people, even some historians, that the witch trials didn't start until the very END of the 1500s and most fell between 1600-1750.
You will still find them falling into the narrative trap even though they logically understand:
End of Medieval: late 1400s/early 1500s
Witch Trials: Late 1500s & throughout 1600s
There's a weird cognitive dissonance to it
'There's a weird cognitive dissonance to it'
It's obscurantism.
The same way, American culture is presented as unique from the Old World when in fact being a Jacobin colony, reflected in every state seal.
Very nice video 👍👍👍
Read Eros & Evil by Masters, great info there.
I wonder where the intro music is from?! Sounds so familiar but I can't pinpointed. It's definitely from the southern western Balkans and/or southern Italy.
Russian Easter Overture
Cool concept.
Jonatan have you seen new Vatican mascot? Does they have power of anime and god by they side now? XD
Does it bother you that maskot name is Luce , wich means light in italian, which is also super close to Lucifer?
Seems like everything that can be imagined at one point or another, through "secondary causes", attains some level of physical manifestation.
Wonder what elves will be like...(in all seriousness)
All very interesting!
This has revealed a lot for me. I’m unsure about one thing though. How does ‘having another man’s baby’ lead to extinction?
I can see how it leads to more confusion in the world but can’t quite figure out how that equates to less.
All that turns away from God leads to destruction. Children should be regarded as the fruit of the sacred union of two people in God. This is the most realistic path to sanctity for most, as the majority are not called to priesthood (I mean sanctity, not just salvation; Im talking further then that). The more you stray from this path, the harder it will be, as you will become more vulnerable to deception and despair. The same effect impacts children. Socially, the more these alternative forms become normalized, the more entitled people will feel to pursue personal desires rather than the Good, more disfunction.
Because no father will care of other man's children and family will be ruined, and society with it
Imagine two generations from now deliberating on who has right to your property and the strife from that.
@@usachev2010 I know plenty of men that care about and love the child that's not theirs. And I also know plenty fathers that don't care about of love their own child, so it's not that black and white. Also sometimes it's better that the women leaves with the child and looks for a better partner if the real father doesn't want to have anything to do with her or the child anymore anyway or would be a horrible father. Also sometimes the father just leaves on his own and the woman has no other option than to loon for another man to not have to raise the child alone.
Is it possible, demons being a type of angel (messenger), a demon is a symbol/idea/message/propaganda that influences behavior by changing the idea of the witness?
It was NOT a DESIRE TO DESTROY THE WORLD, Jonathan. It was a DESIRE to MARRY A MAN THEY LOVE AND CHOOSE. But I agree 100% with the UGLY REALITY of today, and there seems to be a connection indeed...
Women can become infatuated, but are incapable of love as a man is.
Copernicus and Galileo were actually fighting against THE DEAD HAND OF ARISTOTLE. Which makes the argument 'modern' vs Classicism.
And after this read "Equal Rites". 😉
The Pratchett book?
Pagaeu FTW! Another great symbolic video. I can’t unsee it anymore, it’s everywhere, the unseen realm.
I think there’s a connection here with Sampson and Delilah
you tube dont let me watch this. at all it just goes straight to end and then when repeat is clicked , same thing
finally managed to watch.
This man is dangerous!!
I seen an interesting name for the creator the other day called hu hi another one was yah and weh they separated it like it was 2 people or something.
Witches as agents of entropy.
I see an awful lot of this today (and not just in the areas that you mention - we can see it in the nihilistic music as well, from at least the 70s onwards).
cthulhu always swims, and he always swims left.
Case in point: a witch from Texas killed Peanut the Squirrel in NY by casting a spell on him
6:19 so basically modern feminism is a coven of witches
No I think that Feminism is a deformed version of Christianity, look at the reforms and granting of very significant rights to women and children made by Byzantine Emperor Justinian in the 6th century, they are impressive and justified by Christian values, many based rad trads are actually unconscious pagans with ubermenshen dreams larping as Christians and unconsciously rebelling against some Christian values because if one REALLY follows trough the Gospel's message fully he soon discovers how radical (and almost utopian) it is.
Sorry, I was loading the dishwasher..something about
Succubus fetching seed and visiting the ladies?
First thought that came to mind was Hitler's orphaned babies..
Jonathan is of 🔥 lately. Another great eye-opening video. Bravo!
Thanks
Lines up with Edward Dutton's genetic notion of spiteful mutants.
Oh my gosh IVF
Hello Jonathan. What is reality?
what isn't?
*looks right at Hollywood
God sits in the Heavens and laughs, for he knows the day of the wicked is coming.
"Some real satanic black magic s***"
-Paulie Walnuts
In some pro choice protests here where i live there are chicks holding signs saying "I am the Grandughter of the witches they could not burn" (even tho their actual grandmas thinks the smurfs are satanic) If i am in the mood I may write a sign "And I am the descendent of the Inquisitors, here to finish the job"
Edit: This is not an insitation to burn anyone or to physical violence. Calm down.
Incoming from an anonymous source
*Abortion is a human sacrifice ritual; the most powerful known to exist. It was invented by eugenicists who traveled in elite circles of the occult to curry Satan's favor and gain his protection for their warmongering, usury, currency manipulation, and propaganda efforts to turn brothers against brothers on the eve of World War I.
Listen, you normie.
Why is abortion such a powerful form of human sacrifice? Because it entails the killing of the most defenseless victims imaginable (the unborn) by the very persons most duty-bound to love them and protect them from harm: their own mothers and the doctors who minister to them. An added bonus (from an occult point of view) is the violation of the doctors' oaths to do no harm.
The ritualized murders that society euphemistically calls "abortions," or even more euphemistically "women's health," are furthermore carried out in a nonchalant and clinical manner in order to lessen the potential resistance to the slaughter. Perhaps worse, it's generally done to facilitate a woman's hedonistic apathy, laziness, and selfish desire for convenience. Killing your own child to save yourself the trouble of raising a boy or girl of your own flesh symbolically elevates the pleasure of 10 seconds of vaginal muscle contractions above the value of a lifetime of sentient experience that could otherwise be enjoyed by a living, breathing, conscious human being.
In short, Satanists who crave evil power love abortion because it perfectly symbolizes evil within cruelty within evil. It satanically inverts the very symbols of compassion and love (mothers and doctors) into cold, unfeeling and spiritually numbed executioners of the purest innocence.
So, the next time you see a woman in America screeching about her rights, or the
ultimate euphemism: "reproductive justice," from the steps of a state capitol building,
take a look into her empty pinwheel eyes and know what you're really looking at. This is
not just a simple murderer*
Based.
man, that's based.
How often do you fantasize about unaliving women?
@@Mr_M1dnight or just witches who hapoen to be women
See Ed Dutton…
Neo-inquisition when?
you first.
Pageau followers are foaming at the mouth over the prospect of killing women.
Good stuff. It's like when you notice that the fruit in Eden that Eve tried to take was Adam's manhood and the fruit Adam took afterwards was Eve's womanhood, which is why he then named her.
I can’t wait for your next series on PA professor. Symbolism Christianity was great.
witches approve this message ( secretly of course :)
Lots of people talkin', few of them know;
The soul of a woman was created below 👇
Dazed and Confused ~ Led Zeppelin 😵💫
You guys love hating women, huh?
I’m alarmed that such an extreme interpretation as this would be presented without a more rigorous approach to critical thinking. Based on the comments under this video, this interpretation has encouraged its viewers to openly dehumanise childless women with dogs, or who read erotic novels, or express an interest in alternative spiritual practices. It’s disappointing that the ideas in this video seem to lack the same tolerance and openness that one might expect in a discussion on spirituality, particularly in terms of alternative spiritual practices, diverse lifestyles, and beliefs, including those related to women’s and LGBTQ rights. To me, this approach feels akin to religious fundamentalism, which can have devastating implications for a liberal and tolerant society where different beliefs can coexist.
I came across your work through a Dr John Vervaeke lecture, and by association assumed it would engage with a balanced and thoughtful perspective. While I understand that Vervaeke has a background in Buddhist thought and is not an Orthodox Christian, I had hoped that the content here would reflect similar values of openness and inclusivity. It feels as though this video relies on an interpretation that may not align with the kind of liberal values one might associate with a secular Buddhist perspective.
This interpretation of the Malleus Maleficarum comes across as overly extreme and lacks the intellectual rigour one might expect in the 21st century. Rather than philosophy, this seems more akin to sophistry, which prioritises easy and slick arguments over the more painstaking pursuit of knowledge or objective truth. I believe many others would also agree that this perspective doesn't contribute meaningfully to mainstream discussions about the connection between modern cultural movements, spirituality and religion.
To me, this video clearly illustrates a concerning, or even dark, aspect of symbolic thinking, where subjective interpretations can be easily mistaken for objective truth or moral frameworks that can then be imposed onto others. Symbolic thinking is valuable in personal spirituality and the arts, but I believe it’s not a reliable way to interpret complex histories, social dynamics, or scientific facts. In my experience, any insights derived from symbolic thinking serve best as personal guides toward understanding of one's self, in the context of personal, subjective gnosis, rather than as objective truths to be applied to others’ preferences, lifestyles and beliefs.
From all the interpretations of witches and witchcraft that I've heard, this is certainly a fresh view, and not completely unplausible in my opinion. One would hope that the audience of Pageau (and Vervaeke) are wise or morally mature enough to not go into insane conclusions of this. Open mindedness means though being open to interpretations or explanations, that might be of extreme nature.
@@oskarbrenner13 Unfortunately, the comments on this video show that your hope may already be misplaced. As I mentioned in my original comment, we see viewers openly dehumanising women who are childless, own pets, read novels, or explore alternative spiritual paths, while supporting a scapegoating narrative that associates modern women with demons and evil. This discussion has crossed into territory that’s already damaging to a tolerant society.
While Pageau’s symbolic interpretations may seem compelling, his approach overlooks a key component of symbolic thinking: understanding correspondences (finding likenesses between things) as subjective, rather than objective truths. This distinction is crucial because confusing symbolic impressions with reality risks creating harmful propaganda and misrepresenting shared history. There's value in teaching symbolic thinking to explore personal meaning within texts, but ignoring its subjective limits leads to a harmful distortion of truth, and it's simply poor scholarship.
To illustrate the problem of symbolic thinking, let's switch the symbols: imagine fascism, rather than witchcraft, as our example. There’s a modern movement marked by creeping authoritarianism and moral absolutism that reflects fascism’s history of oppressing minorities. Symbolically, we might view fascists as parasitical entities who hijack religion to enforce their authority and legitimise prejudice. They often leverage academia to lend credibility and infiltrate the mainstream, like an ‘incubus’ that preys on society while it sleeps. History teaches us that when we fail to recognise these patterns early, the damage is already done. It seems plausible, doesn't it. But in this case, the example is deliberately exaggerated and incendiary, making a point about how symbolism works - not to stoke fear of rising fascism. To be clear, I have not conducted research into modern fascism and could not honestly say if it is rising or not; I cannot say if fascism links to religion or academia in the ways I've implied. I'm demonstrating how I can form correspondences and weave a narrative out of fear and liberal bias, intuition and impression. Thinking symbolically is easy and quite enjoyable. You can produce many plausible insights that sound compelling, you may even believe in them, and get others to believe in them, but it doesn't make your insights objectively true, i.e, grounded in reality.
@@BiancaJelly-t2k I think this video explores the similar fears present in early modern Europe and today's West. In a changing environment, some men fear women's autonomy and come up with imaginative reasons why women don't want to submit to male needs. I won't make any guesses whether this exploration is intentional or not.
@@BiancaJelly-t2k I would have to rewatch the video to refresh my mind, but except of the very striking analogy between the thoughts of the author and quite widespread thoughts of modern times, (which makes the analogy seem too good to be true), why would the interpretation be subjective? Or, what would falsify it? You warn of this extreme interpretation, but then give an example of faschism. But many of the movements, which can be labelled under "woke" or "extreme left", are characterized under kind of thinking presented in the video - and often they are quite militant. Not directly the same as faschism, but they seem to have lasting effects on the general spirit of countries, and might/will lead to damage. The damage is not perhaps as easily measured as the damage done by faschism, but damage nonethless.
I might have railed of the discussion, but I intepreted or sensed some possible fear in your answer, which led me to this reply.
Saint Paul kinda advocated for celibacy and we have the figure of the eunuchs in old testament. How to conciliate this with what you just said in the video?
Please Mr Pageau, could you make a lecture on how it is an early modern phenomena? This is so interesting!
The wickedness done to us will be used by God for good.
Jesus wins. Thank you Lord
I'm not totally sure why we always translate "maleficarum" as "of witches" when, literally, it means "of evil-doers."
The Latin for "witch" is "maga" as in magi and magic. A female magic-doer.
and in french : sorcière (witch) from source- ière , those connected to the source
"maga" is indeed one term used, derived from Ancient Greek "magos" wich mean in french : trésors (mago)
fun fact : magie is the anagramme of image
It’s more important to recognize them for doing evil rather than magic. Leaves no room to engage with bad faith arguments of “good magic.”
I wonder what a "malediction" might be, and what one might call the one who speaks it.