Hey guys. Massive error in the video. The image used to represent Greensboro NC is actually from Greensboro area in VA. Ouch. Even worse, I am in Greensboro NC right now typing this. I just posted my own photos from there on instagram a few minutes ago. A mistake like that is not good for the ol' reputation. Also, I want to reiterate that these are my own calculations and not official Census calculations. Your federal funding is not on the line!
I agree. Generally, metro areas work as one integrated unit, with all parts dependent on other parts no matter what local government area they fall into. In Australia, where I live, we always refer to the entire metropolitan area when stating the population of our cities. If we did it the way Americans do, Sydney would only have 250,000 people, rather than 5.2 million. Similarly, Melbourne would have 135,000, rather than 5 million.
@@impassable I live on the coast so I’m a little biased, but the ocean is built in climate control and gives us a more consistent cooler temperature. And I don’t like Orlando and the whole theme park mumbo jumbo, but Orlando is so much nicer than suburban sprawl in Arizona and Southern California.
Boston and Providence are already combined as a CSA with over 8.4 million people. The New York-Newark CSA has over 23.5 million. :) I'm a bit of a population geek myself and have been "studying" the metropolitan areas since I was a kid. The numbers of our metro areas vary due to whether one is talking about MSAs (metropolitan statistical areas) or CSAs (combined statistical areas) which combine metropolitan areas with the micropolitan areas around them. Metro areas can also change names based on their city populations. The Norfolk area is now the Virginia Beach area and the San Francisco area is now the San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland area. :)
I’m a population geek myself, too. Love what you brought up about metro areas changing names when one principal city in the metro outgrows another. I have been wondering about that, such as if Saint Paul outgrew Minneapolis, would they change the metro name to reflect which one was larger? Thanks for answering that. The only thing I would correct you on is that CSA’s can be any combination of metropolitan areas and micropolitan areas. CSA’s can combine metropolitan areas with other nearby metropolitan areas too (Cleveland and Akron for example), not just the combination of metropolitan areas with nearby micropolitan areas. (The Cleveland-Akron one is a bit confusing actually, as some people consider it one metro area, while others consider them separate metros that share a CSA. As cities grow, they bleed into each other, making it difficult and rather subjective to determine where one metro area ends and another begins. Generally speaking though, most people consider them separate metro areas, at least for now. However, that will almost inevitably change as the cities continue to grow and it becomes impossible to separate the two. In fact, in 2020, a regional planning group centered in Cuyahoga County lobbied the federal government to move Akron and Canton into Greater Cleveland. Regardless, they are all considered part of the CSA known as Northeast Ohio). Lastly, CSA’s can be combinations just of nearby/adjacent micropolitan areas, although this is far less common. There doesn’t have to be a metropolitan area involved for it to be a CSA. For example, the Steamboat Springs-Craig, CO Combined Statistical Area (CSA) is a combination of the Steamboat Springs, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area and the Craig, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area.
I would LOVE if you did a video on future population potential for consolidated areas such as Providence-Boston, Nyc-Philly, Chicago-Milwaukee and include cities that were also already consolidated like DFW
I’d enjoy that as well, although around 1970, I recall an article projecting a dense megalopolis, tentatively named “BosWash”. That’s 50 years ago, and it’s still a long way off. Granted, the oil/energy crises of the later 1970’s hadn’t happened, and big northeast cities still had some manufacturing jobs, so ….
Interesting how Honolulu is so much less populated relative to the other expensive US cities. Also, this video really makes me want a video on the areas you would consider to be current or future megalopolises!
I remember there used to be open space between San Antonio and Austin but now it’s nonstop developments all the way up I-35. It could a metropolis next week lol
Yea it’s crazy. And in DFW he said most of the development is to the north but I live like 20 mins south and our county as a whole is growing like crazy. Also I didn’t know DFW had more population then the Houston metropolitan area did
@@gus473 There are still spots of Williamson County (Bartlett, Florence, Granger, Coupland) that feel very rural but Georgetown/Round Rock has morphed together, has morphed with Pflugerville and Hutto, and that has morphed with Austin. Lol
Thank you for recognizing Riverside/San Bernardino as part of LA Metro. Many don't realize just how many people travel between the two for work every day.
Being from milwaukee, and now living in kenosha, it's unfortunate it's not included in milwaukee metro...we are in the media market of Milwaukee and so many ppl I know living in our neighborhood and whoever I meet seems to also work in areas within metro milwaukee compared to the Chicagoland area. Thank you for speaking about the metro milwaukee area reaching down to the state line of illinois. ....great video as always!
But it’s not true. I live in Kenosha too. We are part of Chicago metro. Racine is even weirder it’s only part of Milwaukee in the CSA counts, and not counted in the the MSA counts.
guest guest geographyking mentioned at the beginning that he was going to be modifying and adjusting as he sees fit...which makes sense. I see more journal sentinel newspaper boxes compared to chicago tribune....I see the local news coverage as channels 4, 6, 12 & 58 covering kenosha more. The local high school sports also in a sense connects kenosha much more to Milwaukee that what does to chicago. Racine is yeah such a unique strange situation. I wish there was more regional connections, and the KRM train could help but would cost a lot of $$
@@fehzorz zero of trains are an express train so enjoy the many stops and over an hour train ride....far from making the argument that kenosha is deeply connected to chicago compared to Milwaukee. Listening to the two radio stations also incorporate kenosha further into Milwaukee's radio coverage. The idea that kenosha is so inexpensive, people from illinois are marching here to live has ended....while working in Milwaukee, I deal with employers who are trying to decide how to get people back in the office, they have mentioned that many people have moved during the past year, northshore, lake country to the west and an increased in ppl changing their residence to racine &kenosha.
DFW resident here... although the northern suburban sprawl is incredible, it's not quite true that it reaches almost all the way to the Oklahoma state line (12:06). Denton, Little Elm, Frisco, Prosper, and McKinney are suburbs; Sanger, Aubrey, Celina, Melissa, and Anna are exurbs... but beyond that it's pretty rural. Excluding Sherman and Denison, which are decent-sized towns with a lot of amenities (especially Sherman), there's about 30+ miles from say FM 455 to the Red River that are very rural/small-town and not noticeably different from areas farther away from the Metroplex (such as those west of I-35 or east of US 75).
I am a DFW resident too but I live in the actual Dallas city limits in the Far Southeast Dallas area which is called Kleberg which branches off Southeast Dallas which is really Pleasant Grove or Parkdale areas of Dallas.The suburbs that are near are Mesquite,Balch Springs,Seagoville,and Wilmer Hutchins which this suburb city is kind of close by.Those suburbs are for most part quiet and a good place to raise a family.Meanwhile Pleasant Grove a.k. Southeast Dallas is pretty bad.Alot of crime there.There is alot of thefts,drugs,poverty,gangs of thugs,gun violence running rampant,and mainly black or Hispanic neighborhoods.The area I live at Kleberg a.k. Far Southeast Dallas is not suburb ish.Its urban and is starting turn into Pleasant Grove a little bit and that's not good.Yeah I am just explaining how my area of Dallas is.The good thing is that are alot of jobs in DFW so that's a positive.
It also strikes me that Chicago and Milwaukee have basically linked up. There's a very small "space" between them with a couple agro-tourism apple orchards but you've crossed that space in about five minutes of driving.
A couple I noticed. On the east coast its almost like 1 metro is the state just do to size of states on east coast vs west coast. And in California its like 2 metros with San Diego and Los Angeles in south which are pretty close then you have San Fransisco, Stockton, Fresno and Sacramento all near each other. I lived in the area and visit frequently from Oregon. But once you leave Sacramento and head north to Oregon well its pretty bare. Its interesting how these cities developed. Thanks for another great video
Just to the east you have Bend Oregon which surprinsgly one of the fastest growing cities in the country which I always find odd as I drive through there and I am like, wait? Why are people moving here? And homes are very expensive too like 600k-700k so similar to Portland area I guess just people from Portland that are working from home? I don't see really any local tech boom it's just remote work.
I have visited Cincy a couple of times recently (from Louisville) and loved the art museum and some nice little restaurants we found, on both sides of the river. And the Over The Rhine neighborhood was wonderful.
@@alexnewberg6795 yea but it as well as Columbus will always be in the shadows of Cleveland its very very hard to compete with a major large market in Ohio like Cleveland
As a Utahn, I've always tried to explain the Salt Lake Metro Area, or more aptly the Wasatch Front Metro Area as many view the area as small in regards to population...but the area is actually pretty big and Kyle explained it pretty well. Salt Lake, like he said is relatively small in population and area, but when people refer to Salt Lake, they may rather be referring to the Salt Lake Valley, with over 1 Million People in the Valley. Head South from there is Utah County, and the new head of the Tech Growth area called Silicon Slopes. From Lehi city through Provo all the way down to Payson on the south end...around another 3/4 of a Million people. North of Salt Lake, is Davis and Weber Counties with close to another 700,000 from Bountiful, Layton, Ogden and probably could include Brigham City to the North. It's a very long Suburban/Metro Sprawl that is pretty much non stop for 115 Miles from top to bottom and maybe only 21 Miles wide at the widest point, mostly tucked between the Wasatch Mountains on the East and the Great Salt Lake, Oquirrh Mountains on the West.
If SLC's area was the size of Los Angeles, SLC would be one of the 10 most populous US cities. I did the math at one point, anyway, and that's what I came up with. Regardless, area has much to do with population.
I worked at the (old) airport for 15+ years and loved talking to tourists about the Wasatch Front. There were big ol' windows where I worked, so I could point up to Ben Lomand in Ogden and say, "You can almost see all the way to Idaho," which is quite an exaggeration, but to someone from Ohio or Florida or wherever, our topography is bonkers. I live in a tall-ish building in The Aves and can see all the way down the valley from my balcony. My friends in TX, MA, NJ, and CT are pretty sick of my Instagrams of the mountains and balcony views, haha.
I measured it out and it is about 96 miles north south by 17 miles east west at widest point. Still crazy to think it has a span that long considering the population.
@@willp.8120 Also, as it keeps growing the Tooele Valley will be added to the Metro area at some point as it's close for many to drive into SLC and to the South, the Saratoga Springs, the Ranches and Eagle Mountain areas are pretty much a part of the sprawl as well.
Atlanta is probably the city handling sprawl the best in the US that grew during the car age. Instead of only sprawling out with suburbia, the city center is also expanding and it's surprisingly walkable.
Mmmm...no. Greater Atlanta's population density is less than DFW, so it sprawls with the worst of them. As for the city center, all of the major sunbelt cities are seeing growth with their cores, but that growth is nothing compared to the sprawl. And Atlanta is a horrible city for walkability. Isn't Atlanta the king of pedistrian fatalities?
@@Dallascaper 5 years ago, that is. The city already had ~100,000 people around the advent of the car, so Dekalb and Fulton were already somewhat built up. There are still fatalities but they do have the best bikeshare program in the sunbelt. (2nd in the US)
You need get your facts straight about Atlanta before you start speaking so negatively.. I find it’s strange always someone from Dallas n Houston area throwing shade at Atlanta..
As a Brit I find it interesting how US metro areas can contain multiple cities and towns which look pretty much separate from my perspective. In the UK we rarely consider places to be part of the same urban area unless they are pretty much physically touching.
I think it is mostly due to the suburbs stringing along connecting what would appear to be separate areas. Houston has over a dozen cities as far apart as 75 miles but it is all still called Houston.
It's just down to the way suburbs and parks are dealt with. Columbus is a kinda perfect example. The core of the the city is there, then there are "spokes" following out to the "wheel". All of it *is* continuous, but the areas in between are kept green either for parks or because the city is growing into the space from the outside in, starting at the junctures of the spokes and wheel and working their way in. Once it is filled in and built up, a new wheel is laid down further out on the spokes and the process restarts, engulfing the areas already there. In this example, West Jeff and Marysville only have a matter of time before they become the next Dublin and Grove City.
@iguana72 I suspect the geographic scale of the two countries affect how things are viewed. If Great Britain is roughly the size of the six New England states, that would induce you to “zoom in” and visualize major cities as separate metro centers.
It's always a pleasure watching your videos! They are very informative. Philly has actually grown quite a bit after losing over 500,000 since 1950. During the last 10 years it has been very noticeable with non stop construction filling up neighborhood's with an influx of New Yorker's. Trenton to the north in Mercer county has always seemed imo to be part of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.
I thought I was seeing things but i rubbed my eyes and yes indeed that is Kool Me Dee's "How Ya Like Me Now" in the back and to the left! (well our left, your right). My older brother wore out that vinyl when we were kids in the 80's. Excellent video as always and that shirt is on point! :)
Thanks Kyle, I love seeing videos like this that break down and ranks the true sizes of metro areas. An idea that could be fun in another video would be to add and rank the international population to some of these metros. It would be cool to see how cities like El Paso, San Diego and Detroit rank with their international, sister cities included.
I would be nice to have an image showing the metro area on a map to give a sense of area/size. For example, Atlanta metro includes about 20 counties in GA.
20 counties in Metro Atlanta (some definitions even go up to 30) sounds like a lot especially compared to, say, Metro Phoenix with 2 counties. But then you have to realize that Arizona has 15 counties and Georgia has 159, and Arizona is even twice the physical size of Georgia. So basically, Georgia counties are pretty small.
If you’re ever ridden the Providence Line of the MBTA Commuter Rail, it can be really hard to tell when the “Boston” suburbs end and the “Providence” ones begin. I personally think Mansfield is the last “Boston” suburb and Attleboro is the first “Providence” one. Also, there seems to be no rural areas in between them, which would theoretically make it one urban area?
Providence is just a satellite city for Boston these days along with Worcester and Manchester nh the csa definition is really the best for metro excluding the western part of Worcester county which is rural. People in the suburban towns commute either way. The idea of providence being a separate metro is just a historical relic and because Rhode Island persists as a separate state.
Bein from Cleveland, alotta folk in Akron dont consider themselves to be apart of Cleveland, but recognize themselves to be a “lil brother/sister” or satellite city to Cleveland. Cleveland & Akron woulda been more connected if Cuyahoga Valley Natural Park was never built, but I honestly dont regret it. Cleveland green belt is very useful for both da environment & for recreation.
the Cuyahoga valley park is beautiful! I agree that cle and Akron would be closer connected if it wasn't for that, but damn it's a great thing to have.
I know where you'll find lots of Clevelandites(what do you call yourselves) in the Tampa Bay area. Also there is a lot of people from Pittsburgh. It's so crazy how many have moved down here. It shouldn't surprise you that my father was from the Cleveland area.
Another great video. I just returned home from a 2,000 mile round road trip to Phoenix, Las Cruces, & Albuquerque. I live in Los Angeles and this road trip really put into perspective how overcrowded my home is. My desire to move away has grown substantially.
Would love to hear more of the decision-making processes on when to use MSA vs. CSA vs. your own definition. Also, love how "a handful" living on the other side of a river or state border can mean 700k 😄
Some MSA and CSA areas are calculated in an inconsistent manner, that's local or arbitrary. Santa Fe is combined with ABQ in one system, giving them over 1M population...they are 50 miles apart with little population between, though some people work and live in the other. (they aren't unique in that) Denver either includes Boulder (with Greeley and Ft Collins - not even nearby or related), or it leaves out related Boulder and Broomfield. (connected except a few miles of preserved open space) I'm unsure how that issue is corrected in his mathod.
Cool stats on metro areas. I don't know what the Raleigh metro population was in the early 70's, but our family moved to the Town of Cary (a suburban town of Raleigh) in 1972. The population at that time was around 7,500. Today Cary's population is 175,000...kind of big for a "town" but it's officially still the "Town" of Cary. It's the 7th largest municipality in NC.
Hey, I wouldn't consider well over half a million Illinois residents in Metro St. Louis a "handfull" as you said. I do love the content you bring to RUclips, so keep up the great work!
Looking at development on the Illinois side, it is patchy. It is like you have East St. Louis then a gap. Then you have a north south cluster of cities north of Belleville that goes down to Belleville. Around that a lot of nothing, and then a few cities north along the river like Alton. Why the patchwork nature of it all?
@@willp.8120Most of these towns were separated by vast cornfields until recent years. Now East St. Louis, Belleville, Washington Park, Fairview Heights, Swansea, Shiloh, O'Fallon and Scott Air Force Base all border each other. However, the bulk of the new residential and commercial development in St. Clair County has been in O'Fallon and Shiloh.
Tulsa punches above its weight class due to its history in the petroleum industry. There are quite a few museums and other nice touches where people like the Phillips Family (Phillips 66 fame) donated huge portions of their wealth to make Tulsa a nicer city. To me there’s a more “older, established, eastern” feel to Tulsa than there is in Oklahoma City. That said, OKC seems to be more dynamic and growing nowadays.
I live in Minneapolis and I was so suprised to hear how big our metro area is! I thought it was only about one million people, but it’s actually three times that
Lol. The city limits of Minneapolis and St. Paul alone have a combined population of 750,000. And there are layers upon layers of Suburbs in every direction and it’s expanding outward dramatically. We’re now projected to surpass 4,000,000 by 2030!
Being from Tulsa, it's always really interesting to hear what people think about the city. It somehow feels both big and small at the same time, and it's always really difficult to imagine how it compares to other cities. It seems crazy that it has over a million people in the metro area, but then again it seems equally wild that it's smaller than El Paso or Tucson.
I used to live in Stillwater and I would visit Tulsa and Oklahoma City regularly. I liked both though if I had to choose I'd probably live in OKC. And yeah both cities have more to do than they're given credit for. My favorite thing about Tulsa is Circle Cinema, on Lewis near 1st.
Could you do a video on a methodology to choose where to move? I feel like there's a lot of cities that have really polarizing pros and cons, and I'm not sure how to decide where to go
It's only a matter of time, but I see the metros of Cincinnati and Dayton/Springfield becoming one big metro. I visit there once a year and every year I see them growing ever closer together.
Excellent research and presentation! And no worries about the "error" you made note of... Thanks for being so up-front about that, and explaining it. I personally have loved following the trends of the metro areas, in contrast to solely looking at the hub city's population changes. I've been very happy to have grown up in #4, and later in life moved to #3. Both great places. And you are correct... #3 is extremely convoluted -- and I am first-hand witnessing the not-so-gradual development of all the "empty spaces" that punctuate the area. But it still remains a nice place to live.
When I moved from Atlanta to Houston (also noted for horrendous traffic), I was surprised to see that rush hour did not go from 4-8 PM each day. That's when I realized how bad Atlanta traffic is.
The Baltimore DC metro is the most convoluted, you'll have exurbs disconnected by 50 miles of farmland counted as as being in the metro, it's pretty much code for where people commute to the DC for governmental jobs. They count alot of central PA, Western Maryland beyond Frederick MD and Eastern WVA.
I’ve always wondered this. Why is the Raleigh-Durham metro split up into 2 different metros but the area is known as the triangle but the twin cities metro isn’t split up? The triangle I feel should be more considered a metro instead of a CSA?
@@pullt they have bordering counties from eachother they both do and your comparing downtown distances. Raleigh and Durham border eachother city lines right by 540
As a resident I would say that Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill should actually clearly be a Metropolitan Statistical Area rather than a Combined Statistical Area. Designating Raleigh-Cary and Durham-Chapel Hill as two separate MSAs is ridiculous and probably just a mistake. Although I suppose it's possible there could be some ulterior motive.
It is probably the biggest goof in the census data tabulations that "Raleigh-Cary" and "Durham-Chapel Hill" are considered two distinct metropolitan areas when it is clearly one metro area. Was glad to see Geography King use the true Triangle region population in his ranking.
Cincinnati is simultaneously the prettiest and most annoying to navigate for me. I'm about as far from there as Columbus but I always feel more connected with and hopeful of the latter.
Really cool video! I'm curious about the Albany metro area. I think most MSA stats put it over a million, but Albany MSA is weird because it is a loose agglomeration of small cities. And I think those stats put Saratoga in there, which is quite far away to be included IMO. Curous where you had Albany on your list?
Something I find amazing about Miami, the general metro population is that it's the huge densely populated area. But that is stays incredibly densely populated almost along its who border with the everglades where almost no one lives whatsoever. If you look at a population density map you'll be astonished. As you go further North it fades more gradually into much less but still decently populated areas, but the South of the Miami metro area is really an incredible phenomena.
Hi Isaac, Yes, due to the Everglades, it’s difficult for Miami to grow westward since it would be massively expensive to drain the swamps. The other elongated north-south US urban area is Seattle. With Puget Sound on the west and the Cascade Mountains to the immediate east, the Greater Seattle area sprawls N to S with only 2 freeways going through. Makes for some bad traffic for sure.
I’ve lived on the MD side of the DC metro area for 38 of my 40 years and I’m my lifetime, I’ve seen this area explode in population and it continues to do so. Yet everyone still works in or near DC/Baltimore so the roads are stacked.
This takes me back to my high school economics class. I was sitting next to a large US map, and as the teacher droned on, I'd try to identify the MSAs > 1M for each state.
I'm the kind of guy who lives for this kind of stuff, so...I was shocked, flat-out SHOCKED when Chicago came up at #4. I saw it, and it gave my brain a little tingle when I figured out I was going to learn something new. I've always thought of it as 1. NY, 2. LA, 3. Chicago and 4...well it depends. I never thought that the DC metro would pass Chicago, but here we are.
This man totally messed up Chicago's metro numbers. Even if you count Kenosha in Milwaukee's metro instead of Chicago, Chicago metro is not losing population... People just love to hate on Chicago whether or not it was intentional.
Chicago and Milwaukee should practically be considered one at this point. There is contiguous infratructure between them, and commuter trains that run daily between them as tens of thousands of people who live in both city areas go back and forth every day.
With Chicago and Milwaukee being so close together, there will be a time when these two areas merge. It'll be a very good size conglomerate, with growth perhaps around 15 million people. The Chicago msa includes Kenosha county Wisconsin.
High speed rail between the two would do that (you could easily work in Downtown Milwaukee and live in Downtown Chicago) but I don't see that happening
@@rguest2009 Why not Chicago? Chicago mayor and Illinois officials are the people who want high speed rail. Wisconsin officials are the ones against it. High speed rail would bring in billions to the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois. I have read several studies on Midwest high speed rail and Chicago and Illinois would benefit the most financially.
Nice job. You show a deep understanding of Metro areas. Some lists don't count Akron in the Cleveland Metro area although at least 10% work in other area and there is direct buses between them.
I understand Tijuana, MX isn't inculded in San Diego's metro area count but it should be. SD & TJ are definitely intertwined. If TJ were included in the SD metro area it would bring the population total to approx 5.4M people.
Small correction, Durham and Raleigh are usually clumped together because of proximity, but they are actually part of different metro areas, Durham-Chapel Hill and Raleigh-Cary metro areas respectively.
Hey, Kyle! Loved hearing about the metro areas over 1 million. Using Consolidated Statistical Areas is the best way to approach this, so I'm glad you did it that way. However, you missed one metro area...San Juan, Puerto Rico. It's metro population in the 2020 census was 2,350,126.
At my job, I am a statistical clerk for the U.S. Census Bureau. You're welcome, Kyle! With that said, let me (to comply with the policy on employees using social media), add that I am not representing the Census Bureau is this comment post. I'm posting in my off duty personal life.
I live in tulsa and recently visited Louisville and Nashville and was surprised to see both are and feel bigger then Tulsa. I had no idea Louisville was that big, and Nashville feels a lot like Austin in size. Can’t wait to travel to some of these others
It's interesting to see population booms and how cities deal with them. Especially cities that grow really fast and are playing catch-up to try and meet the needs of the populace influx. My home of Portland has had a big growth spurt this century and it's interesting to see it change, pivot, and try to solve city issues. It's a challenge.
I really didn't expect the Grand Rapids area to appear on this list, but it did. To me it's insane it jumped up to 1.2 million, considering that just 10 years ago it barely cracked 1 million. But then again going through the area its pretty obvious that it's absolutely exploding
Thank you for the good presentation. just wondering if using your method you achieve better proximity to the rank size rule than the official calculation? perhaps you can touch on the distribution pattern in a future video using the new data.
The population growth of metro Las Vegas is wild. Back in 2000, it was approaching Omaha’s size. Now it’s as big as metro St. Louis. I wonder how long it will be before it’s a top ten metro.
@@BIFC216 Would you care to produce some meaningful (as in not talking points from some ideaological group) evidence to back up that rather shrill claim?
You said you had a methodology of defining a metro area that's different from the Census Bureau's, what is that methodology? Because the Census Bureau has Chicago at 9.6 million people and still growing slightly, whereas you have Chicago at 9.2 million and shrinking
The Census Bureau includes either an enitre county in the Metro Area, or none of it. I'm guessing Kyle is including the parts of outlying counties that are genuinely urbanized from the rural portions, and including only the urbanized parts. I should let him speak, but that's my theory.
Yeah he also gave Milwaukee a ton of population and given the fact Kenosha county wi (on the county line) is considered Chicago metro in all counts and Racine County Wi on in the CSA counts.
I have to agree with you Max, because the info I found also had the Chicago metro population at around 9.6 million. Yes the info I found also had it slightly growing and not shrinking as well. My sources include Census Reporter, Wikipedia, WBEZ, Chicago Sun Times, and ABC 7. This video as far as I'm concerned at the moment is not accurate when it comes to Chicago. Also makes me question how he got the sources for the other cities as well. I to would like to know his methodology. It would be nice if he said what that was or provided citations to that methodology.
@geographyking for number 38 you have Greensboro, North Carolina. There is a problem however, the picture is actually a part of Tysons corner. Tysons corner is in Fairfax in northern Virginia, being a part of the DMV. in fact Tysons corner mall is where the first apple store is (that's the one I go to when I have computer trouble ;) ) and it has the first L.L. Bean store that was outside of Maine.
In my life I've lived in so many different places (in my head). First was DC, then NoVA, then back to DC, then PG County, MD (DC suburbs), then currently in Baltimore, MD. I've literally never left this metro area. But I think I might leave the country altogether soon.
Some metros extend into other countries, such as San Diego- Tijuana, El Paso-Ciudad Juarez and Detroit-Windsor. What is your take on these and whether those international urban areas should be considered part of the same metro?
How many people commute between the countries for work, or on a regular basis? If it's only a small percentage, then they are separate metros, no matter how close they are.
@@Voyager2525 I used to work for a grocery store in northern San Diego and several chefs drove from Tijuana every day. The store I currently work for has a family where half their family is in San Diego and half in Tijuana and they all drive down there all the time. I can't even imagine what are the commute numbers are like closer to the border.
The only thing that I know of that connects Muskegon and Grand Rapids is the census data. I've never understood that because we're just too far apart without any real connection to each other.
The main criteria the US Census uses to determine whether a smaller county should be included in with the larger county metro is the amount of influence the larger county, or city, has over the smaller one. Influence mainly being that of what percentage of people from county B commutes to county A for employment.
Speaking as someone from the east side of Michigan, I thought that was a bit of a stretch too. It’s like including Flint as a suburb of Detroit. Flint is close, yes, but not a suburb. We’ll gladly claim Ann Arbor for Detroit tho lolz 😂
As someone originally from the US that lives outside of the US now, it's always interesting to compare the population of where I live now to metros in the US. I live in the Nagoya metropolitan area, which has a population of about 9.5 million, so I guess I'm just between the Chicago and DC metros population-wise.
Well done, Your Grace! I figured the release of the 2020 US Census report might keep you busy and productive. Keep up the good work, your loyal subjects salute you! Long live the King!!! As a native of the country’s largest metro area, I urge everyone from outside the area to NOT move here! I can recall when the city’s population was just under 7 million, and marvel at how rapidly it skyrocketed to its current 8.6 million. Except for my university days, I’ve lived in Manhattan my whole life, and have seen it get as it is now, impossibly crowded. And still, they build.
Hey guys. Massive error in the video. The image used to represent Greensboro NC is actually from Greensboro area in VA. Ouch. Even worse, I am in Greensboro NC right now typing this. I just posted my own photos from there on instagram a few minutes ago. A mistake like that is not good for the ol' reputation.
Also, I want to reiterate that these are my own calculations and not official Census calculations. Your federal funding is not on the line!
Don't worry about it Kyle. In fact I respect you more for owning up straight away. Loving this channel.
Ha you block head... just kidding very nice work on this video.. you gave us tons of information in just a few short minutes. Thanks
No worries! No one is perfect! Love your channel. I share some of your videos with others.
As a map lover, say 10 Hail Amerigo Vespucis. That's should absolve you! 😇
I forgive you
This was a relaxing respite having Kyle take me on a tour of the US metros.
Respite or despite?
Metro population is so much of a better measure than raw city population. Thank you for spreding more use of it!
There is something to be said about city population.
I agree. I feel like city proper in the U.S. does not show the true size of a city/area.
@@jnyerere Especially thanks to those damn suburbs
I agree. Generally, metro areas work as one integrated unit, with all parts dependent on other parts no matter what local government area they fall into.
In Australia, where I live, we always refer to the entire metropolitan area when stating the population of our cities. If we did it the way Americans do, Sydney would only have 250,000 people, rather than 5.2 million. Similarly, Melbourne would have 135,000, rather than 5 million.
You don’t think it matters if a city has a hundred thousand or a million? It matters greatly.
I gained even more respect for this guy when he flat out said he didn’t like Orlando. I’m happy to hear that. Those sprawling cities are awful
People like Orlando because its not expensive and has good weather, and it's safer from hurricanes than the coast
@@impassable I live on the coast so I’m a little biased, but the ocean is built in climate control and gives us a more consistent cooler temperature. And I don’t like Orlando and the whole theme park mumbo jumbo, but Orlando is so much nicer than suburban sprawl in Arizona and Southern California.
@Frigidlava speak for yourself. I love it, But I live in a place with a much less pleasant climate (Massachusetts)
right. been to orlando once and its MID and plus it doent even look like a well developed city idk how to explain
Sprawling cities?
Man, stay away from DFW then. 😂
Boston and Providence are already combined as a CSA with over 8.4 million people. The New York-Newark CSA has over 23.5 million. :) I'm a bit of a population geek myself and have been "studying" the metropolitan areas since I was a kid. The numbers of our metro areas vary due to whether one is talking about MSAs (metropolitan statistical areas) or CSAs (combined statistical areas) which combine metropolitan areas with the micropolitan areas around them. Metro areas can also change names based on their city populations. The Norfolk area is now the Virginia Beach area and the San Francisco area is now the San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland area. :)
I’m a population geek myself, too. Love what you brought up about metro areas changing names when one principal city in the metro outgrows another. I have been wondering about that, such as if Saint Paul outgrew Minneapolis, would they change the metro name to reflect which one was larger? Thanks for answering that.
The only thing I would correct you on is that CSA’s can be any combination of metropolitan areas and micropolitan areas. CSA’s can combine metropolitan areas with other nearby metropolitan areas too (Cleveland and Akron for example), not just the combination of metropolitan areas with nearby micropolitan areas. (The Cleveland-Akron one is a bit confusing actually, as some people consider it one metro area, while others consider them separate metros that share a CSA. As cities grow, they bleed into each other, making it difficult and rather subjective to determine where one metro area ends and another begins. Generally speaking though, most people consider them separate metro areas, at least for now. However, that will almost inevitably change as the cities continue to grow and it becomes impossible to separate the two. In fact, in 2020, a regional planning group centered in Cuyahoga County lobbied the federal government to move Akron and Canton into Greater Cleveland. Regardless, they are all considered part of the CSA known as Northeast Ohio).
Lastly, CSA’s can be combinations just of nearby/adjacent micropolitan areas, although this is far less common. There doesn’t have to be a metropolitan area involved for it to be a CSA. For example, the Steamboat Springs-Craig, CO Combined Statistical Area (CSA) is a combination of the Steamboat Springs, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area and the Craig, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area.
Mee too,i am interested about Dallas Arlington Forth Worth MArea,are thoses connected or separeted citiies?
I would LOVE if you did a video on future population potential for consolidated areas such as Providence-Boston, Nyc-Philly, Chicago-Milwaukee and include cities that were also already consolidated like DFW
I’d enjoy that as well, although around 1970, I recall an article projecting a dense megalopolis, tentatively named “BosWash”.
That’s 50 years ago, and it’s still a long way off.
Granted, the oil/energy crises of the later 1970’s hadn’t happened, and big northeast cities still had some manufacturing jobs, so ….
This was definitely worth watching. One of my favorite RUclips channels. Every video is entertaining and informative. Keep it up, Kyle
Omg this is the exact thing I want to watch every day thank you Kyle
Another Geography King video, awesome! They're always so interesting and fun.
Interesting how Honolulu is so much less populated relative to the other expensive US cities. Also, this video really makes me want a video on the areas you would consider to be current or future megalopolises!
Yes 👍
Alaska is the same way just a lot less populated. Shipping costs are no joke.
Think alot of it must come down to population density. The place is super desirable but geographically restricted in terms of land cover.
fewer job opportunities there than places like NYC or LA or Boston
Let's face it, no matter how much the city grows, Honolulu's suburbs cannot spead across state lines.
I remember there used to be open space between San Antonio and Austin but now it’s nonstop developments all the way up I-35. It could a metropolis next week lol
🤠 When Georgetown and Florence were nice lil' ol' rural spots....! 🐎🌄👋
Maybe the next DFW. ASA.
There’s still a little bit of nothing between San Marcos and Buda but yeah I agree
Yea it’s crazy. And in DFW he said most of the development is to the north but I live like 20 mins south and our county as a whole is growing like crazy. Also I didn’t know DFW had more population then the Houston metropolitan area did
@@gus473 There are still spots of Williamson County (Bartlett, Florence, Granger, Coupland) that feel very rural but Georgetown/Round Rock has morphed together, has morphed with Pflugerville and Hutto, and that has morphed with Austin. Lol
Thank you for recognizing Riverside/San Bernardino as part of LA Metro. Many don't realize just how many people travel between the two for work every day.
The shirt is ON POINT, Mr. King.
Being from milwaukee, and now living in kenosha, it's unfortunate it's not included in milwaukee metro...we are in the media market of Milwaukee and so many ppl I know living in our neighborhood and whoever I meet seems to also work in areas within metro milwaukee compared to the Chicagoland area. Thank you for speaking about the metro milwaukee area reaching down to the state line of illinois. ....great video as always!
But it’s not true. I live in Kenosha too. We are part of Chicago metro. Racine is even weirder it’s only part of Milwaukee in the CSA counts, and not counted in the the MSA counts.
guest guest geographyking mentioned at the beginning that he was going to be modifying and adjusting as he sees fit...which makes sense. I see more journal sentinel newspaper boxes compared to chicago tribune....I see the local news coverage as channels 4, 6, 12 & 58 covering kenosha more. The local high school sports also in a sense connects kenosha much more to Milwaukee that what does to chicago. Racine is yeah such a unique strange situation. I wish there was more regional connections, and the KRM train could help but would cost a lot of $$
You can catch a Metra train to Chicago.
@@fehzorz zero of trains are an express train so enjoy the many stops and over an hour train ride....far from making the argument that kenosha is deeply connected to chicago compared to Milwaukee. Listening to the two radio stations also incorporate kenosha further into Milwaukee's radio coverage. The idea that kenosha is so inexpensive, people from illinois are marching here to live has ended....while working in Milwaukee, I deal with employers who are trying to decide how to get people back in the office, they have mentioned that many people have moved during the past year, northshore, lake country to the west and an increased in ppl changing their residence to racine &kenosha.
@@rguest2009 Just wondering as a Kenosha resident which metro would you prefer the city to be in Milwaukee or Chicago?
DFW resident here... although the northern suburban sprawl is incredible, it's not quite true that it reaches almost all the way to the Oklahoma state line (12:06). Denton, Little Elm, Frisco, Prosper, and McKinney are suburbs; Sanger, Aubrey, Celina, Melissa, and Anna are exurbs... but beyond that it's pretty rural. Excluding Sherman and Denison, which are decent-sized towns with a lot of amenities (especially Sherman), there's about 30+ miles from say FM 455 to the Red River that are very rural/small-town and not noticeably different from areas farther away from the Metroplex (such as those west of I-35 or east of US 75).
@Sebastian Morales The Bishop Arts District is fun!
I am a DFW resident too but I live in the actual Dallas city limits in the Far Southeast Dallas area which is called Kleberg which branches off Southeast Dallas which is really Pleasant Grove or Parkdale areas of Dallas.The suburbs that are near are Mesquite,Balch Springs,Seagoville,and Wilmer Hutchins which this suburb city is kind of close by.Those suburbs are for most part quiet and a good place to raise a family.Meanwhile Pleasant Grove a.k. Southeast Dallas is pretty bad.Alot of crime there.There is alot of thefts,drugs,poverty,gangs of thugs,gun violence running rampant,and mainly black or Hispanic neighborhoods.The area I live at Kleberg a.k. Far Southeast Dallas is not suburb ish.Its urban and is starting turn into Pleasant Grove a little bit and that's not good.Yeah I am just explaining how my area of Dallas is.The good thing is that are alot of jobs in DFW so that's a positive.
It also strikes me that Chicago and Milwaukee have basically linked up. There's a very small "space" between them with a couple agro-tourism apple orchards but you've crossed that space in about five minutes of driving.
It takes about an hour to drive between them, and there is some farmland and space within surprisingly
same with Sacramento and Roseville/folsom
If they build that train line between Kenosha and Milwaukee, then I would consider them linked.
A couple I noticed. On the east coast its almost like 1 metro is the state just do to size of states on east coast vs west coast. And in California its like 2 metros with San Diego and Los Angeles in south which are pretty close then you have San Fransisco, Stockton, Fresno and Sacramento all near each other. I lived in the area and visit frequently from Oregon. But once you leave Sacramento and head north to Oregon well its pretty bare. Its interesting how these cities developed. Thanks for another great video
Just to the east you have Bend Oregon which surprinsgly one of the fastest growing cities in the country which I always find odd as I drive through there and I am like, wait? Why are people moving here? And homes are very expensive too like 600k-700k so similar to Portland area I guess just people from Portland that are working from home? I don't see really any local tech boom it's just remote work.
@@drscopeify vacation homes, retirement and data center jobs. Prineville has Facebook, Google, Apple and a few more going in.
Great video. It would have been cool if you would have shown a map of each metro area.
I live in a Georgetown, TX north of Austin and the growth of all the towns is crazy. Im from Memphis and its metro is growing but nowhere near as ATX
🤠 You're about 20 years too late: no easy commute to Austin anymore! 🚁
I'm in Killeen but grew up in western Michigan before moving here
Austin area is projected to have 4.5 million people by 2050.
What I love is that Cincinnati has gained population for the first time since the 50's. Only good things coming
I have visited Cincy a couple of times recently (from Louisville) and loved the art museum and some nice little restaurants we found, on both sides of the river. And the Over The Rhine neighborhood was wonderful.
Cinci is my favorite Ohio city, and it’s hard for me to say anything good about Ohio considering where I’m from…
I don’t think Cincy gets enough credit, it’s actually a pretty fun place. I’m at Univ of Cincinnati now and I love the city.
@@alexnewberg6795 yea but it as well as Columbus will always be in the shadows of Cleveland its very very hard to compete with a major large market in Ohio like Cleveland
@@BIFC216 Columbus and Cincinnati are much nicer than Cleveland.
As a Utahn, I've always tried to explain the Salt Lake Metro Area, or more aptly the Wasatch Front Metro Area as many view the area as small in regards to population...but the area is actually pretty big and Kyle explained it pretty well. Salt Lake, like he said is relatively small in population and area, but when people refer to Salt Lake, they may rather be referring to the Salt Lake Valley, with over 1 Million People in the Valley.
Head South from there is Utah County, and the new head of the Tech Growth area called Silicon Slopes. From Lehi city through Provo all the way down to Payson on the south end...around another 3/4 of a Million people. North of Salt Lake, is Davis and Weber Counties with close to another 700,000 from Bountiful, Layton, Ogden and probably could include Brigham City to the North.
It's a very long Suburban/Metro Sprawl that is pretty much non stop for 115 Miles from top to bottom and maybe only 21 Miles wide at the widest point, mostly tucked between the Wasatch Mountains on the East and the Great Salt Lake, Oquirrh Mountains on the West.
If SLC's area was the size of Los Angeles, SLC would be one of the 10 most populous US cities. I did the math at one point, anyway, and that's what I came up with. Regardless, area has much to do with population.
I worked at the (old) airport for 15+ years and loved talking to tourists about the Wasatch Front. There were big ol' windows where I worked, so I could point up to Ben Lomand in Ogden and say, "You can almost see all the way to Idaho," which is quite an exaggeration, but to someone from Ohio or Florida or wherever, our topography is bonkers. I live in a tall-ish building in The Aves and can see all the way down the valley from my balcony. My friends in TX, MA, NJ, and CT are pretty sick of my Instagrams of the mountains and balcony views, haha.
I measured it out and it is about 96 miles north south by 17 miles east west at widest point. Still crazy to think it has a span that long considering the population.
@@willp.8120 Nice....mine was an estimation on my time living and driving the area...so not too far off haha.
@@willp.8120 Also, as it keeps growing the Tooele Valley will be added to the Metro area at some point as it's close for many to drive into SLC and to the South, the Saratoga Springs, the Ranches and Eagle Mountain areas are pretty much a part of the sprawl as well.
Atlanta is probably the city handling sprawl the best in the US that grew during the car age. Instead of only sprawling out with suburbia, the city center is also expanding and it's surprisingly walkable.
Mmmm...no. Greater Atlanta's population density is less than DFW, so it sprawls with the worst of them. As for the city center, all of the major sunbelt cities are seeing growth with their cores, but that growth is nothing compared to the sprawl. And Atlanta is a horrible city for walkability. Isn't Atlanta the king of pedistrian fatalities?
@@Dallascaper 5 years ago, that is. The city already had ~100,000 people around the advent of the car, so Dekalb and Fulton were already somewhat built up. There are still fatalities but they do have the best bikeshare program in the sunbelt. (2nd in the US)
You need get your facts straight about Atlanta before you start speaking so negatively.. I find it’s strange always someone from Dallas n Houston area throwing shade at Atlanta..
Except for the violent crime. I’d stay in your car and drive during the day
As a Brit I find it interesting how US metro areas can contain multiple cities and towns which look pretty much separate from my perspective. In the UK we rarely consider places to be part of the same urban area unless they are pretty much physically touching.
By the same standards as the video, the UK would be three or four metro areas.
I think it is mostly due to the suburbs stringing along connecting what would appear to be separate areas.
Houston has over a dozen cities as far apart as 75 miles but it is all still called Houston.
It's just down to the way suburbs and parks are dealt with.
Columbus is a kinda perfect example. The core of the the city is there, then there are "spokes" following out to the "wheel". All of it *is* continuous, but the areas in between are kept green either for parks or because the city is growing into the space from the outside in, starting at the junctures of the spokes and wheel and working their way in.
Once it is filled in and built up, a new wheel is laid down further out on the spokes and the process restarts, engulfing the areas already there. In this example, West Jeff and Marysville only have a matter of time before they become the next Dublin and Grove City.
@iguana72 I suspect the geographic scale of the two countries affect how things are viewed.
If Great Britain is roughly the size of the six New England states, that would induce you to “zoom in” and visualize major cities as separate metro centers.
It’s because of the huge size disparity
It's always a pleasure watching your videos! They are very informative. Philly has actually grown quite a bit after losing over 500,000 since 1950. During the last 10 years it has been very noticeable with non stop construction filling up neighborhood's with an influx of New Yorker's. Trenton to the north in Mercer county has always seemed imo to be part of the Philadelphia metropolitan area.
This kind of video is right up my alley! Thanks for the interesting video
I thought I was seeing things but i rubbed my eyes and yes indeed that is Kool Me Dee's "How Ya Like Me Now" in the back and to the left! (well our left, your right). My older brother wore out that vinyl when we were kids in the 80's. Excellent video as always and that shirt is on point! :)
Thanks Kyle, I love seeing videos like this that break down and ranks the true sizes of metro areas. An idea that could be fun in another video would be to add and rank the international population to some of these metros. It would be cool to see how cities like El Paso, San Diego and Detroit rank with their international, sister cities included.
Me seeing Pittsburgh on the list: 😀
Me learning Pittsburgh is one of two metros to be losing population: 😧
It lost a tiny amount in the 2010 census. It was really fair to say it was standing still, rather than losing. In 2020, it may be more of a drop.
It is my goal to reverse that and build Pittsburgh to greatness once again
I would be nice to have an image showing the metro area on a map to give a sense of area/size. For example, Atlanta metro includes about 20 counties in GA.
20 counties in Metro Atlanta (some definitions even go up to 30) sounds like a lot especially compared to, say, Metro Phoenix with 2 counties. But then you have to realize that Arizona has 15 counties and Georgia has 159, and Arizona is even twice the physical size of Georgia. So basically, Georgia counties are pretty small.
@@wwsciffsww3748 Arizona is close to double the size but not quite.
If you’re ever ridden the Providence Line of the MBTA Commuter Rail, it can be really hard to tell when the “Boston” suburbs end and the “Providence” ones begin. I personally think Mansfield is the last “Boston” suburb and Attleboro is the first “Providence” one. Also, there seems to be no rural areas in between them, which would theoretically make it one urban area?
Providence is just a satellite city for Boston these days along with Worcester and Manchester nh the csa definition is really the best for metro excluding the western part of Worcester county which is rural. People in the suburban towns commute either way. The idea of providence being a separate metro is just a historical relic and because Rhode Island persists as a separate state.
Bein from Cleveland, alotta folk in Akron dont consider themselves to be apart of Cleveland, but recognize themselves to be a “lil brother/sister” or satellite city to Cleveland. Cleveland & Akron woulda been more connected if Cuyahoga Valley Natural Park was never built, but I honestly dont regret it. Cleveland green belt is very useful for both da environment & for recreation.
Exactly. I wish there was more natural areas on the East Coast. It’s a shame that most of it is just near the Canadian border and southern Florida
*National Park
the Cuyahoga valley park is beautiful! I agree that cle and Akron would be closer connected if it wasn't for that, but damn it's a great thing to have.
I know where you'll find lots of Clevelandites(what do you call yourselves) in the Tampa Bay area. Also there is a lot of people from Pittsburgh. It's so crazy how many have moved down here. It shouldn't surprise you that my father was from the Cleveland area.
@@janejones7638 Clevelanders 😂
Another great video. I just returned home from a 2,000 mile round road trip to Phoenix, Las Cruces, & Albuquerque. I live in Los Angeles and this road trip really put into perspective how overcrowded my home is. My desire to move away has grown substantially.
I live in Los Angeles too. Where are you thinking of moving to?
@@kjhuang Hard to say at this point.
I moved from Houston to Las Cruces last year. Moved away 6 months later.
@@alfonsomunoz4424 That would be culture shock. What moved you away, and is it to another large city?
Would love to see a top Canadian metropolitan areas video.
Thanks for another fun video Kyle! The nerdy perspective is much appreciated, as is the Kool Moe Dee in the background :)
Would love to hear more of the decision-making processes on when to use MSA vs. CSA vs. your own definition. Also, love how "a handful" living on the other side of a river or state border can mean 700k 😄
Some MSA and CSA areas are calculated in an inconsistent manner, that's local or arbitrary. Santa Fe is combined with ABQ in one system, giving them over 1M population...they are 50 miles apart with little population between, though some people work and live in the other. (they aren't unique in that) Denver either includes Boulder (with Greeley and Ft Collins - not even nearby or related), or it leaves out related Boulder and Broomfield. (connected except a few miles of preserved open space) I'm unsure how that issue is corrected in his mathod.
Cool stats on metro areas. I don't know what the Raleigh metro population was in the early 70's, but our family moved to the Town of Cary (a suburban town of Raleigh) in 1972. The population at that time was around 7,500. Today Cary's population is 175,000...kind of big for a "town" but it's officially still the "Town" of Cary. It's the 7th largest municipality in NC.
I was born in the Town of Cary in the 80s
Not sure how they will deal with all the sunbelt refugees in 50 years, but the Rust Belt will save us all.
Yep!
White.
Hey, I wouldn't consider well over half a million Illinois residents in Metro St. Louis a "handfull" as you said. I do love the content you bring to RUclips, so keep up the great work!
Looking at development on the Illinois side, it is patchy. It is like you have East St. Louis then a gap. Then you have a north south cluster of cities north of Belleville that goes down to Belleville. Around that a lot of nothing, and then a few cities north along the river like Alton. Why the patchwork nature of it all?
@@willp.8120Most of these towns were separated by vast cornfields until recent years. Now East St. Louis, Belleville, Washington Park, Fairview Heights, Swansea, Shiloh, O'Fallon and Scott Air Force Base all border each other. However, the bulk of the new residential and commercial development in St. Clair County has been in O'Fallon and Shiloh.
Went to SIUE for college and lived in great metro East areas. Edwardsville is huge now. I live in St. Louis City now but love my Illinois peoples!
I'm from Denver and I was caught off guard by the size of Tulsa's skyline when I first saw it. Pretty big for a 1 million metro.
Tulsa punches above its weight class due to its history in the petroleum industry. There are quite a few museums and other nice touches where people like the Phillips Family (Phillips 66 fame) donated huge portions of their wealth to make Tulsa a nicer city. To me there’s a more “older, established, eastern” feel to Tulsa than there is in Oklahoma City. That said, OKC seems to be more dynamic and growing nowadays.
Would love a global version of this list
This is the comment I was looking for.
He would have to do two or three videos just on China. There are 160.
Tokyo has world's largest metro area
I live in Minneapolis and I was so suprised to hear how big our metro area is! I thought it was only about one million people, but it’s actually three times that
Lol. The city limits of Minneapolis and St. Paul alone have a combined population of 750,000. And there are layers upon layers of Suburbs in every direction and it’s expanding outward dramatically. We’re now projected to surpass 4,000,000 by 2030!
Actually the Combined Statistical Area for the Twin Cities is over 4 million now.
Kool Moe Dee? Bonus points for cool nostalgia hip hop.✊🏿💪🏾
"New York City's metro area is number 1 in the whole world"
Tokyo: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
He said one of
I love your Kool Moe Dee album sitting in the back
Being from Tulsa, it's always really interesting to hear what people think about the city. It somehow feels both big and small at the same time, and it's always really difficult to imagine how it compares to other cities. It seems crazy that it has over a million people in the metro area, but then again it seems equally wild that it's smaller than El Paso or Tucson.
I used to live in Stillwater and I would visit Tulsa and Oklahoma City regularly. I liked both though if I had to choose I'd probably live in OKC. And yeah both cities have more to do than they're given credit for. My favorite thing about Tulsa is Circle Cinema, on Lewis near 1st.
shoutout tulsa 🫡
Kyle you are the best man! Can't say enough how much I love all of your videos. Always some useful and fascinating info. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Could you do a video on a methodology to choose where to move? I feel like there's a lot of cities that have really polarizing pros and cons, and I'm not sure how to decide where to go
when you use a picture of San Antonio in a upcoming video, would be nice to see a newer picture of the skyline.
I'm at the mercy of creative commons photos. You'd think there'd be better ones to choose from, but it's not always the case.
It's only a matter of time, but I see the metros of Cincinnati and Dayton/Springfield becoming one big metro. I visit there once a year and every year I see them growing ever closer together.
Thats never going to happen
It’s definitely happening
Excellent research and presentation! And no worries about the "error" you made note of... Thanks for being so up-front about that, and explaining it. I personally have loved following the trends of the metro areas, in contrast to solely looking at the hub city's population changes. I've been very happy to have grown up in #4, and later in life moved to #3. Both great places. And you are correct... #3 is extremely convoluted -- and I am first-hand witnessing the not-so-gradual development of all the "empty spaces" that punctuate the area. But it still remains a nice place to live.
Geography King, the Greensboro picture is of the Greensboro metro stop in Virginia near DC, not Greensboro NC!
Wow that sucks. I'm literally in Greensboro NC right now typing this.
🤦🏻♂️ Whoopsie..... 🤷🏻♂️
@@GeographyKing Good catch...I'm like 10 minutes from that station and can confirm. It's in Tysons, VA aka NOVA
They're all interesting places. So far, Atlanta has been my favorite city to visit!
I love Atlanta as long as I don't have to drive in rush hour traffic.
@@janejones7638 Yes, Atlanta's traffic is insane.
When I moved from Atlanta to Houston (also noted for horrendous traffic), I was surprised to see that rush hour did not go from 4-8 PM each day. That's when I realized how bad Atlanta traffic is.
The Baltimore DC metro is the most convoluted, you'll have exurbs disconnected by 50 miles of farmland counted as as being in the metro, it's pretty much code for where people commute to the DC for governmental jobs. They count alot of central PA, Western Maryland beyond Frederick MD and Eastern WVA.
I’ve always wondered this. Why is the Raleigh-Durham metro split up into 2 different metros but the area is known as the triangle but the twin cities metro isn’t split up? The triangle I feel should be more considered a metro instead of a CSA?
Minneapolis is like 10 miles from St Paul and Raleigh is 30 miles from Durham.
@@pullt they have bordering counties from eachother they both do and your comparing downtown distances. Raleigh and Durham border eachother city lines right by 540
@@KBJ910 Sure, the city lines border each other, but there's a good bit of gap once you venture north or south of I-40
As a resident I would say that Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill should actually clearly be a Metropolitan Statistical Area rather than a Combined Statistical Area. Designating Raleigh-Cary and Durham-Chapel Hill as two separate MSAs is ridiculous and probably just a mistake. Although I suppose it's possible there could be some ulterior motive.
It is probably the biggest goof in the census data tabulations that "Raleigh-Cary" and "Durham-Chapel Hill" are considered two distinct metropolitan areas when it is clearly one metro area. Was glad to see Geography King use the true Triangle region population in his ranking.
Cleveland and Cincinnati have to be the most underrated cities in the country
Cincinnati is simultaneously the prettiest and most annoying to navigate for me. I'm about as far from there as Columbus but I always feel more connected with and hopeful of the latter.
I’d include Pittsburgh and Providence in that list
From Anderson, SC, thanks for the shout out to the Greenville-Spartanburg area!
Really cool video! I'm curious about the Albany metro area. I think most MSA stats put it over a million, but Albany MSA is weird because it is a loose agglomeration of small cities. And I think those stats put Saratoga in there, which is quite far away to be included IMO. Curous where you had Albany on your list?
By 2030 I assume DFW and Chicago will be Megacitys
It would be interesting to see border metro area include their neighbors like Ciudad Juárez or Tijuana and see how many spots it goes down the list.
Add Toronto to Buffalo's metro as well.
I have seen metro Detroit include Windsor and Essex county on several lists.
@@JVR10893 toronto is really far from buffalo. it would be like connecting detroit and cleveland. you could add st. catharines to buffalo though
I see geoking uploads, I click.
Something I find amazing about Miami, the general metro population is that it's the huge densely populated area. But that is stays incredibly densely populated almost along its who border with the everglades where almost no one lives whatsoever. If you look at a population density map you'll be astonished. As you go further North it fades more gradually into much less but still decently populated areas, but the South of the Miami metro area is really an incredible phenomena.
Hi Isaac,
Yes, due to the Everglades, it’s difficult for Miami to grow westward since it would be massively expensive to drain the swamps.
The other elongated north-south US urban area is Seattle. With Puget Sound on the west and the Cascade Mountains to the immediate east, the Greater Seattle area sprawls N to S with only 2 freeways going through. Makes for some bad traffic for sure.
Great video and commentary! My Area made it at #26 and your numbers seem to be pretty on par to what I've seen. Saying hello from the Sacramento Area.
I’ve lived on the MD side of the DC metro area for 38 of my 40 years and I’m my lifetime, I’ve seen this area explode in population and it continues to do so. Yet everyone still works in or near DC/Baltimore so the roads are stacked.
This takes me back to my high school economics class. I was sitting next to a large US map, and as the teacher droned on, I'd try to identify the MSAs > 1M for each state.
Can you do a video on the tallest building in each state?
The Detroit comeback is here, the city should be joining the metro area in gaining population in the next census as you said!!
Wish st Louis would have one
I agree. I think Detroit is going to make a comeback!
I'm the kind of guy who lives for this kind of stuff, so...I was shocked, flat-out SHOCKED when Chicago came up at #4. I saw it, and it gave my brain a little tingle when I figured out I was going to learn something new. I've always thought of it as 1. NY, 2. LA, 3. Chicago and 4...well it depends. I never thought that the DC metro would pass Chicago, but here we are.
This man totally messed up Chicago's metro numbers. Even if you count Kenosha in Milwaukee's metro instead of Chicago, Chicago metro is not losing population... People just love to hate on Chicago whether or not it was intentional.
Growth since 2010 doesn't mean current growth. Most of the growth was in the early 2010s. It's the same for Pittsburgh or Los Angeles County.
You forgot to add that the Philly metro region also extends into Maryland and connects with the Baltimore Metro area (Northeastern part of the state).
Thanks. Interesting. I think I'll stay in my little place in SC.
Chicago and Milwaukee should practically be considered one at this point. There is contiguous infratructure between them, and commuter trains that run daily between them as tens of thousands of people who live in both city areas go back and forth every day.
With Chicago and Milwaukee being so close together, there will be a time when these two areas merge. It'll be a very good size conglomerate, with growth perhaps around 15 million people. The Chicago msa includes Kenosha county Wisconsin.
Kenosha county is Chicago in both msa and csa. Racine is part of Milwaukee only in the csa and not the msa counts.
Thanks for pointing out my error. I just transposed those two counties. I edited my comment.
High speed rail between the two would do that (you could easily work in Downtown Milwaukee and live in Downtown Chicago) but I don't see that happening
@@fehzorz Would be a good idea for Milwaukee. Maybe not so much Chicago.
@@rguest2009 Why not Chicago? Chicago mayor and Illinois officials are the people who want high speed rail. Wisconsin officials are the ones against it. High speed rail would bring in billions to the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois. I have read several studies on Midwest high speed rail and Chicago and Illinois would benefit the most financially.
Thank you for including Baltimore with DC 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I've yearned for this ever since I found out the distance between Dallas & Fort Worth.
New people moving into the Wasatch front passes the amount of people being born there recently, interesting.
I live in San Antonio and I love my city and your right nobody talks about us here.
I could of sworn Chicago Metro gained population, especially since the city gained about 50,000 over the past decade
It grew faster than six of the metros on here, although it still grew pretty slowly
Yeah it did grow actually, this Pop count is slightly off.
Chicago metro actually has 9.5million
Nice job. You show a deep understanding of Metro areas. Some lists don't count Akron in the Cleveland Metro area although at least 10% work in other area and there is direct buses between them.
I understand Tijuana, MX isn't inculded in San Diego's metro area count but it should be. SD & TJ are definitely intertwined. If TJ were included in the SD metro area it would bring the population total to approx 5.4M people.
Small correction, Durham and Raleigh are usually clumped together because of proximity, but they are actually part of different metro areas, Durham-Chapel Hill and Raleigh-Cary metro areas respectively.
Hey, Kyle! Loved hearing about the metro areas over 1 million. Using Consolidated Statistical Areas is the best way to approach this, so I'm glad you did it that way. However, you missed one metro area...San Juan, Puerto Rico. It's metro population in the 2020 census was 2,350,126.
Thanks - very interesting in light of the fact that I learnt some of this stuff in my teens - 60s now. Times have changed!
At my job, I am a statistical clerk for the U.S. Census Bureau. You're welcome, Kyle!
With that said, let me (to comply with the policy on employees using social media), add that I am not representing the Census Bureau is this comment post. I'm posting in my off duty personal life.
And I love statistics and maps. Have since I was a kid, so this means as much to me the person as the Census employee. I enjoyed this.
I live in tulsa and recently visited Louisville and Nashville and was surprised to see both are and feel bigger then Tulsa. I had no idea Louisville was that big, and Nashville feels a lot like Austin in size. Can’t wait to travel to some of these others
I could be wrong but it seems like MSA and CSA are getting mixed up on this list.
Very informative video as always! Thanks so much!
It's interesting to see population booms and how cities deal with them. Especially cities that grow really fast and are playing catch-up to try and meet the needs of the populace influx. My home of Portland has had a big growth spurt this century and it's interesting to see it change, pivot, and try to solve city issues. It's a challenge.
yeah for sure. I hope we figure out our issues and rebuild our reputation
I really didn't expect the Grand Rapids area to appear on this list, but it did. To me it's insane it jumped up to 1.2 million, considering that just 10 years ago it barely cracked 1 million. But then again going through the area its pretty obvious that it's absolutely exploding
I just hate that Muskegon is tacked on to the GR numbers. Nobody from here would ever say we're close enough to GR for this to make sense
Thank you for the good presentation. just wondering if using your method you achieve better proximity to the rank size rule than the official calculation? perhaps you can touch on the distribution pattern in a future video using the new data.
Thanks for clarifying that the numbers might be off. The metro population of Las Vegas is actually closer to 2,900,000.
The population growth of metro Las Vegas is wild. Back in 2000, it was approaching Omaha’s size. Now it’s as big as metro St. Louis.
I wonder how long it will be before it’s a top ten metro.
The Census bureau isn't good enough for this man. He's got his own methodology for calculating metropolitan areas. Kyle don't mess around.
The census has a political agenda
@@BIFC216 Would you care to produce some meaningful (as in not talking points from some ideaological group) evidence to back up that rather shrill claim?
Great videos Kyle! I enjoy watching them very much.
You said you had a methodology of defining a metro area that's different from the Census Bureau's, what is that methodology? Because the Census Bureau has Chicago at 9.6 million people and still growing slightly, whereas you have Chicago at 9.2 million and shrinking
The Census Bureau includes either an enitre county in the Metro Area, or none of it. I'm guessing Kyle is including the parts of outlying counties that are genuinely urbanized from the rural portions, and including only the urbanized parts. I should let him speak, but that's my theory.
Yeah he also gave Milwaukee a ton of population and given the fact Kenosha county wi (on the county line) is considered Chicago metro in all counts and Racine County Wi on in the CSA counts.
I have to agree with you Max, because the info I found also had the Chicago metro population at around 9.6 million. Yes the info I found also had it slightly growing and not shrinking as well. My sources include Census Reporter, Wikipedia, WBEZ, Chicago Sun Times, and ABC 7. This video as far as I'm concerned at the moment is not accurate when it comes to Chicago. Also makes me question how he got the sources for the other cities as well. I to would like to know his methodology. It would be nice if he said what that was or provided citations to that methodology.
@geographyking for number 38 you have Greensboro, North Carolina. There is a problem however, the picture is actually a part of Tysons corner. Tysons corner is in Fairfax in northern Virginia, being a part of the DMV. in fact Tysons corner mall is where the first apple store is (that's the one I go to when I have computer trouble ;) ) and it has the first L.L. Bean store that was outside of Maine.
In my life I've lived in so many different places (in my head). First was DC, then NoVA, then back to DC, then PG County, MD (DC suburbs), then currently in Baltimore, MD. I've literally never left this metro area. But I think I might leave the country altogether soon.
Very interesting videos. Can you do a similar Canada list?
Some metros extend into other countries, such as San Diego- Tijuana, El Paso-Ciudad Juarez and Detroit-Windsor. What is your take on these and whether those international urban areas should be considered part of the same metro?
Just for the San Diego - Tijuana metro area it would be around 6 million, so its fair to so say they should be connected.
@@tylerlynn9680 Agreed.
How many people commute between the countries for work, or on a regular basis? If it's only a small percentage, then they are separate metros, no matter how close they are.
@@Voyager2525 I used to work for a grocery store in northern San Diego and several chefs drove from Tijuana every day. The store I currently work for has a family where half their family is in San Diego and half in Tijuana and they all drive down there all the time. I can't even imagine what are the commute numbers are like closer to the border.
@@tylerlynn9680 They are in seperate countries
Alright, Kyle - good job! I could watch this stuff all day!
The only thing that I know of that connects Muskegon and Grand Rapids is the census data. I've never understood that because we're just too far apart without any real connection to each other.
The main criteria the US Census uses to determine whether a smaller county should be included in with the larger county metro is the amount of influence the larger county, or city, has over the smaller one. Influence mainly being that of what percentage of people from county B commutes to county A for employment.
Speaking as someone from the east side of Michigan, I thought that was a bit of a stretch too. It’s like including Flint as a suburb of Detroit. Flint is close, yes, but not a suburb. We’ll gladly claim Ann Arbor for Detroit tho lolz 😂
I enjoy all your videos! You do your homework!
As someone originally from the US that lives outside of the US now, it's always interesting to compare the population of where I live now to metros in the US. I live in the Nagoya metropolitan area, which has a population of about 9.5 million, so I guess I'm just between the Chicago and DC metros population-wise.
What I think it'a amazing is that half of these fit within the Tokyo metro area.
Well done, Your Grace! I figured the release of the 2020 US Census report might keep you busy and productive. Keep up the good work, your loyal subjects salute you! Long live the King!!!
As a native of the country’s largest metro area, I urge everyone from outside the area to NOT move here! I can recall when the city’s population was just under 7 million, and marvel at how rapidly it skyrocketed to its current 8.6 million. Except for my university days, I’ve lived in Manhattan my whole life, and have seen it get as it is now, impossibly crowded. And still, they build.