I get the message on rear braking, but "SHINEY OBJECT": going down those rocks (3:29) was impressive. Going back UP those rocks (4:38) was raw bike handling, developed talent! I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess you've practiced that before. :) That was AWESOME!
We hit walls like this one from time to time. Each one is different. This was my first day hitting this one. I did it 4 times that day. Almost fell off of it the 2nd time up! Going down was the scariest part! Cameras DO NOT do justice for what you have to endure on that. Super fun though.
I stand almost of the time too and always have the balls of my feet on the pegs. I do struggle with repositioning and putting my arch on the peg so I can reach the rear brake if I need it quickly. Any tips on doing this transition quickly and smoothly?
Love your channel but... as for not locking the rear wheel I think you’re mistaken. The anti lock brake analogy mainly applies to pavement or other hard surface. Look up the Team Oniell Rally Schools channel where they test the subject. Braking distance was reduced by skidding on gravel. But don’t take me word for it. Maybe make a video. Do some threshold braking tests on a variety of dirt surfaces and compare the distances against a fully locked rear wheel. I think the answer will surprise you and be an entertaining video.
This has been really helpful. I really struggle with my rear brake as have an ankle injury so seeing how you fo this gives me faith I can start to improve my riding. Thank you.
Sorry to be so off topic but does any of you know a trick to get back into an instagram account?? I was stupid forgot my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me!
@Titus Amos thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm trying it out atm. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
I use a cheap-o Ox left hand rear brake which makes it very easy to feather the rear brake on down hills - just don't have the feel in the foot lever and my brakes are a little twitchy.
Rear brake is everything.it turns all my fast corners. Preload engine with clutch against rear brake , turn and let all go...boom It's my panic button or parachute
Im certainly not a top level rider but i am a decent one.Ive always noticed how much better things are with this standing up/braking technique going downhill-paticularly with my long legs!Great video here and confirmed by 2 pro riders! upvoted
I have a left hand rear brake and no foot brake at all. The control you get can not be compared to a pedal. The only time I miss the pedal is when the engine is running I am on a slope and need both hands to put my goggles. On my left hand I use the index finger for clutch and middle finger for rear brake. Ring and pinky finger always holding the bars. The only tricky maneuver is starting on an up hill where I have to releasel the brake with one finger while fanning the clutch. It sounds complicated but you get used to it. I have been riding without a brake pedal for over 6 months and I don't miss it.
Plantar flexion refers to the movement of the foot when it is bent at the ankle away from the body (I.e. pointing your toe) Conversely, Dorsiflexion is the action of raising the foot upwards towards the shin.
Your comment that "95% of my riding is standing" is interesting to me. As I learned to ride, I was standing all the time, to the point where sitting on anything except a straight on a fire road is just plain foreign. It's the same nagging feeling as not wearing a seat belt in a moving car.
Ty Kyle that was awesome I learn a lot listening to you since I'm new to single track I've done some riding at Hartman rocks in Gunnison ever been here Doug
Dude! I knew I was onto this. I too always stand. (partially attributed to riding single speed Mtn. bikes) It just feels natural. Comparatively, my braking is harder to control whilst sitting, especially with newer generation super/stupid stiff boots! Ha! I often stand when hitting turns, just crouched down a bit but still often i'm out of the saddle.
One thing I don't think you covered, make sure to adjust your rear break lever properly before you start your brake practice. I see guys that have their lever way up in the air. It should be just about level with the peg. I like mine below the peg; when I sit and do wheelies I have my toe resting on that brake lever in case I go too far back...tap and I'm right back where I need to be.
Love it! Also I love my high bars makes standing so much easier I look like I'm rolling ape hangers when I'm sitting but omg great for all the standing
Too much work for where I live to really get into snow biking. A couple of months out of the year, I have to drive a few hours to ride dirt. Not a big enough draw for me to snowbike.
Might want to do a little research on your not locking the rear brake theory... Wonder if you've every ridden say a 690 in some tougher terrain and not defeated the ABS. It can be scary coming up to a turn in rather technical loose stuff when you're trying to use both brakes and trying to get it slowed down... compared to being able to lock the rear. Having done a bit of reading on this, the prevailing theory is that with the wheel collecting material in front of it, it creates a berm that helps to slow the bike down. Perhaps you noticed this too in driving in snow with a car after they went to ABS. (Not ice so much, where there is nothing to build up.) In many situations, in terms of pure stopping power, I'd argue it was better in the old days. To be fair, I went from a 1989 without ABS to a 2006 ABS truck and then to a 2016 and it definitely got better over that period of technological development in the latter 10 years, but I still wish I could defeat the ABS when needed on the truck. I'd encourage you to take a spin on a bike with ABS rear on some loose downhills--if you've never done it. I could be wrong, but it sure felt like night and day to me after I got the ABS dongle for the KTM.
Thanks for the comment. I'm just passing along information that people like Graham Jarvis, and Shane Watts have encouraged me to work on with keeping the rear wheel rolling. If it's good enough for Jarvis, it's good enough for me.
Dirt Bike Channel I ride a 701 when not on a TPI, depending on terrain it’s ABS can help or hurt. It’s a toss up. End of the day I leave it on. I just learned to brake a little earlier in certain conditions. It’s not specifically the ABS technology itself but how “fast” the particular ABS computer is. In deep powder sand I can definitely stop faster without ABS, on hard pack it depends, if I’m careful on feathering the brakes and thinking it through I’m just as good as ABS, maybe better. The clincher.. ABS saved my life when a deer jumped me when I was doing 70 in a curve. So end of day everything is a variable. But.. not locking up the brakes should generally be your goal. An exception would be using the rear brakes to swing your rear end around. A few weeks ago I was riding behind an x national enduro champ. He was riding a BMW 800 (yea really) in tight pine barrens single track. I was behind him on my 300 tpi... wow can that guy ride. He was wagging that things rear around square turns in bar banging single track like nothing.. and doing it all by sliding and locking the rear wheel. I learned a lot that day... and thanked him when I finally caught up. Lol.. yep..
Abs doesn't work at low speed off road, you can get a lot more rear brake with it turned off the trick is not locking the brake and skidding, try leaving the clutch engaged so it will be harder to lock the tire up. Granted many adventure bikes are geared way to high for this technique.
@@DirtBikeChannel obviously you don't know everything Jarvis does. I'm sure he would explain there are times you want to lock the wheel if you rode with him more often. Using the phrase If it's good enough for Jarvis just shows you really don't know what you're on about. How many times have you ridden with him? Do you really think he passed on all his knowledge in that time.
Not sure if you'll see this comment as this video is older, but I'm struggling with using the rear brake as part of my riding routine. I come from sportbikes and roadtrack riding, where I basically never used the rear brake. The only time I would touch it would be if a blew through a turn and ended up in the infield. I new to dirt riding and understand how important it is to use the rear brake as part of proper bike control, but I'm struggling to make it habit. I'm constantly trying to remember to use my rear. Are there drills I can use to drive this into my muscle memory/habit. Maybe you can recommend a video or book if you're not able to make a video about it. Thanks! Loving the content of your channel! Maybe even a tutorial of rear brake setup including lever position and free-play.
I brought this up to him before and he said I was 100% wrong.....some people can't take constructive criticism. But yes he puts them on all of his bikes backwards....he may have gotten it correct 1 time, I don't like absolutes.
A person should be standing 90% or more of the time in technical riding anyways, different for other riding styles but almost anything off-road on a bike, standing will be beneficial most the time other than maybe flat track racing or something like that.
Just an idea of where to stand on the pegs. For braking I do the same as you, BUT on the left side Im standing on the balls of my foot, so not the same, this gives the advantage of always covering the brake, but also gives the leverage pushing out of corners or going uphill not having to hold on to the bars as much. Just an idea :)
I see guys make the mistake of using their transmission to add to their braking. It’s hard on the transmission. This will make the rear brake lock up giving you less control not more. On a steep downhill I will shift up not down allowing the motor to idle so it won’t stall.
I BOUGHT a KTM because of you and your 1st KTM 300 videos and yet you have not responded to a single comment of mines, or post something on my channel. I feel fan disappointment. Although good video and as a hard enduro racer, I agree.
KTM sent this to me to try it... I didn't ask for it. It was the first time they've ever sent me anything. It came in a goodie pack with some other stuff. It's pretty pointless since it has no spark arrestor and it's too expensive. I''ll be going back to FMF relatively soon.
@@TKReyesup yeah, that is all that was. Eventually I might do a video showing it and saying that I don't understand the point of that silencer. If it had a sparkey on it... maybe, but in it's current form, not worth it.
@@Jonnyca21 in court fighting the ticket....."your honour i just wanted to be seen and to be able to see past and inbetween the parked cars also didnt want to get ran over by the car " wthhhhhhhh lol Too much weight in th back box is also another good reason to weight the pegs with whole bodyweight
I got a ticket for standing on bike. Was on a WR250R (dirt oriented dual sport) with full armor after coming out of woods Was going over windy bridge and stood for control, knees against tank. Cop who wrote me up was in open face helmet, nylon short sleeve shirt and leather boots. I was 1000X safer than him. Still got ticket.
Have you changed your opinion of braking while standing up? Your video from 2017 doesn’t differentiate sitting vs standing technique, but you generally said it’s better to lift your foot off the peg ruclips.net/video/LoiHCzLOQ1A/видео.html
I get the message on rear braking, but "SHINEY OBJECT": going down those rocks (3:29) was impressive. Going back UP those rocks (4:38) was raw bike handling, developed talent! I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess you've practiced that before. :) That was AWESOME!
We hit walls like this one from time to time. Each one is different. This was my first day hitting this one. I did it 4 times that day. Almost fell off of it the 2nd time up! Going down was the scariest part! Cameras DO NOT do justice for what you have to endure on that. Super fun though.
@@DirtBikeChannel I understand the cameras don't show it like it is, but either way, you killed it like a pro.
I stand almost of the time too and always have the balls of my feet on the pegs. I do struggle with repositioning and putting my arch on the peg so I can reach the rear brake if I need it quickly. Any tips on doing this transition quickly and smoothly?
Yes yes yes. Please. More of this Kyle! Love the static demo as well as the footage. Technique is always fun.
Love your channel but... as for not locking the rear wheel I think you’re mistaken. The anti lock brake analogy mainly applies to pavement or other hard surface. Look up the Team Oniell Rally Schools channel where they test the subject. Braking distance was reduced by skidding on gravel. But don’t take me word for it. Maybe make a video. Do some threshold braking tests on a variety of dirt surfaces and compare the distances against a fully locked rear wheel. I think the answer will surprise you and be an entertaining video.
Adam Dyment I wouldn’t take his advice on any riding tips. Lacks the experience of a racer
this is not racing. skidding is not stopping. Kinetic friction vs static friction. trail riding we really need do less damage to trails.
@@tannerhoopes3428 im not a racer and i dont plan on being one. I ride, and often I do it out of my comfort zone. i can sense he is full of shit.
@@adg2011mm I have to agree with you
your not in control if rear wheel sliding
If you've ever ridden with Jarvis he would tell you that you have no control over the bike sitting compared to standing.
Yes, he mentioned this when I rode with him.
This has been really helpful. I really struggle with my rear brake as have an ankle injury so seeing how you fo this gives me faith I can start to improve my riding. Thank you.
The huge tip for rear braking is leave the clutch engaged so you don't lock up the rear wheel.
Sorry to be so off topic but does any of you know a trick to get back into an instagram account??
I was stupid forgot my account password. I would appreciate any tips you can offer me!
@Jamal Carlos instablaster :)
@Titus Amos thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm trying it out atm.
I see it takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
@Titus Amos It did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
Thanks so much you really help me out :D
@Jamal Carlos happy to help =)
I use a cheap-o Ox left hand rear brake which makes it very easy to feather the rear brake on down hills - just don't have the feel in the foot lever and my brakes are a little twitchy.
Kyle, if you get too snow bound stir crazy, come on down to Texas! Thanks for all your information!
Rear brake is everything.it turns all my fast corners. Preload engine with clutch against rear brake , turn and let all go...boom
It's my panic button or parachute
Im certainly not a top level rider but i am a decent one.Ive always noticed how much better things are with this standing up/braking technique going downhill-paticularly with my long legs!Great video here and confirmed by 2 pro riders! upvoted
Love my left hand rear brake.
Michael Thompson me too. On my stunt bike 🤣
Clearly a Democrat... :)
I have a left hand rear brake and no foot brake at all. The control you get can not be compared to a pedal. The only time I miss the pedal is when the engine is running I am on a slope and need both hands to put my goggles.
On my left hand I use the index finger for clutch and middle finger for rear brake. Ring and pinky finger always holding the bars. The only tricky maneuver is starting on an up hill where I have to releasel the brake with one finger while fanning the clutch. It sounds complicated but you get used to it. I have been riding without a brake pedal for over 6 months and I don't miss it.
left brake is so much better control. pedal feel vs brake lever feel is a huge difference
Not quite riding but closer! Thanks for the tips.
This is one advantage of electric bikes, left hand rear brake, no clutch. You can keep the balls of your feet on the pegs.
Plantar flexion refers to the movement of the foot when it is bent at the ankle away from the body (I.e. pointing your toe)
Conversely, Dorsiflexion is the action of raising the foot upwards towards the shin.
Thanks I guess. My wife is a dancer and I'm using dancing terms. Pointing and flexing it's a real thing :)
I like the instructional, tips and tricks videos. More of these!
Your comment that "95% of my riding is standing" is interesting to me. As I learned to ride, I was standing all the time, to the point where sitting on anything except a straight on a fire road is just plain foreign. It's the same nagging feeling as not wearing a seat belt in a moving car.
yep
Ty Kyle that was awesome I learn a lot listening to you since I'm new to single track I've done some riding at Hartman rocks in Gunnison ever been here Doug
I need to get back over there! Come on summer!!!
Dude! I knew I was onto this. I too always stand. (partially attributed to riding single speed Mtn. bikes) It just feels natural. Comparatively, my braking is harder to control whilst sitting, especially with newer generation super/stupid stiff boots! Ha! I often stand when hitting turns, just crouched down a bit but still often i'm out of the saddle.
One thing I don't think you covered, make sure to adjust your rear break lever properly before you start your brake practice. I see guys that have their lever way up in the air. It should be just about level with the peg. I like mine below the peg; when I sit and do wheelies I have my toe resting on that brake lever in case I go too far back...tap and I'm right back where I need to be.
It's July 1st and our riding season ended a few weeks ago. It was 90F when we got to our riding area at 830am.
Awesome Vid Kyle. Much Appreciated ;-)
Love it! Also I love my high bars makes standing so much easier I look like I'm rolling ape hangers when I'm sitting but omg great for all the standing
Not so great on steep uphills...awesome on the downhills though.
@@gpaull2 if your standing going up hill its actually nice easier to stay over the bars for me
Except you loop out sooner/easier.
Good tips! Get a snowbike kit and embrace winter!
Too much work for where I live to really get into snow biking. A couple of months out of the year, I have to drive a few hours to ride dirt. Not a big enough draw for me to snowbike.
Might want to do a little research on your not locking the rear brake theory... Wonder if you've every ridden say a 690 in some tougher terrain and not defeated the ABS. It can be scary coming up to a turn in rather technical loose stuff when you're trying to use both brakes and trying to get it slowed down... compared to being able to lock the rear. Having done a bit of reading on this, the prevailing theory is that with the wheel collecting material in front of it, it creates a berm that helps to slow the bike down. Perhaps you noticed this too in driving in snow with a car after they went to ABS. (Not ice so much, where there is nothing to build up.) In many situations, in terms of pure stopping power, I'd argue it was better in the old days. To be fair, I went from a 1989 without ABS to a 2006 ABS truck and then to a 2016 and it definitely got better over that period of technological development in the latter 10 years, but I still wish I could defeat the ABS when needed on the truck.
I'd encourage you to take a spin on a bike with ABS rear on some loose downhills--if you've never done it. I could be wrong, but it sure felt like night and day to me after I got the ABS dongle for the KTM.
Thanks for the comment. I'm just passing along information that people like Graham Jarvis, and Shane Watts have encouraged me to work on with keeping the rear wheel rolling. If it's good enough for Jarvis, it's good enough for me.
Dirt Bike Channel I ride a 701 when not on a TPI, depending on terrain it’s ABS can help or hurt. It’s a toss up. End of the day I leave it on. I just learned to brake a little earlier in certain conditions. It’s not specifically the ABS technology itself but how “fast” the particular ABS computer is. In deep powder sand I can definitely stop faster without ABS, on hard pack it depends, if I’m careful on feathering the brakes and thinking it through I’m just as good as ABS, maybe better. The clincher.. ABS saved my life when a deer jumped me when I was doing 70 in a curve. So end of day everything is a variable. But.. not locking up the brakes should generally be your goal. An exception would be using the rear brakes to swing your rear end around. A few weeks ago I was riding behind an x national enduro champ. He was riding a BMW 800 (yea really) in tight pine barrens single track. I was behind him on my 300 tpi... wow can that guy ride. He was wagging that things rear around square turns in bar banging single track like nothing.. and doing it all by sliding and locking the rear wheel. I learned a lot that day... and thanked him when I finally caught up. Lol.. yep..
Abs doesn't work at low speed off road, you can get a lot more rear brake with it turned off the trick is not locking the brake and skidding, try leaving the clutch engaged so it will be harder to lock the tire up. Granted many adventure bikes are geared way to high for this technique.
@@DirtBikeChannel obviously you don't know everything Jarvis does. I'm sure he would explain there are times you want to lock the wheel if you rode with him more often. Using the phrase If it's good enough for Jarvis just shows you really don't know what you're on about. How many times have you ridden with him? Do you really think he passed on all his knowledge in that time.
Not sure if you'll see this comment as this video is older, but I'm struggling with using the rear brake as part of my riding routine. I come from sportbikes and roadtrack riding, where I basically never used the rear brake. The only time I would touch it would be if a blew through a turn and ended up in the infield. I new to dirt riding and understand how important it is to use the rear brake as part of proper bike control, but I'm struggling to make it habit. I'm constantly trying to remember to use my rear. Are there drills I can use to drive this into my muscle memory/habit. Maybe you can recommend a video or book if you're not able to make a video about it. Thanks! Loving the content of your channel! Maybe even a tutorial of rear brake setup including lever position and free-play.
I put my wp stickers on backwards too... I feel your pain it annoyed me so bad I bought new ones after a while 😂
I brought this up to him before and he said I was 100% wrong.....some people can't take constructive criticism. But yes he puts them on all of his bikes backwards....he may have gotten it correct 1 time, I don't like absolutes.
stufrowin I just went and looked at the factory ktms and I figured they knew better than me.. hah
I don’t think I could take any advice from a guy that put stickers on backwards I mean what’s next does he put pistons in backwards
Hey @dirtbikechannel you should come out to Payson Az and do like a meet up or something cool.
Nice info im always just smashing it to a skid
Try keeping the clutch engaged while braking, it will help keep u from skidding.
Dude yes thanks Kyle
In my car under a tree the temp was 51
celsius yesterday, I'll take some snow thanks.👋
A person should be standing 90% or more of the time in technical riding anyways, different for other riding styles but almost anything off-road on a bike, standing will be beneficial most the time other than maybe flat track racing or something like that.
Thanks Kyle. Love the riding tips.
standing is fine... sitting is great too.. This Kyle Chode has never ducked a tree...
Pointing toe= plantarflexion, lifting ankle/ toe= dorsiflexion
Just an idea of where to stand on the pegs. For braking I do the same as you, BUT on the left side Im standing on the balls of my foot, so not the same, this gives the advantage of always covering the brake, but also gives the leverage pushing out of corners or going uphill not having to hold on to the bars as much. Just an idea :)
that was crazy at 3:51 into vidieo omg nice riding skills
Can you enable CC in English? Thank you!
Awesome. Thanks.
0:48 wow respect + that's crazy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Love those boots!!
Gate keeper and handle bar canyon my dude ✊🏻💨
Can you do a video on you camera set up?! Show us all of the setup like the drone the go pro the still camera etc, please and thank you!
Love those boots
The thing i struggle with is shifting up while acelerating hard and standing, any tips?
Great vid. Your a tall dood, do you recommend a taller seat foam also. I’ve seen mixed opinions. I’m 6’3
I see guys make the mistake of using their transmission to add to their braking. It’s hard on the transmission. This will make the rear brake lock up giving you less control not more. On a steep downhill I will shift up not down allowing the motor to idle so it won’t stall.
I BOUGHT a KTM because of you and your 1st KTM 300 videos and yet you have not responded to a single comment of mines, or post something on my channel. I feel fan disappointment. Although good video and as a hard enduro racer, I agree.
Perfect. Cheers mate
Nice video. A question . Can you please show or tell me ho to make that tire shelf? I see you got half a tire but wondering how to stick to the wall..
Great b role 👌🏻
I stand up 94.9 to 97.1% of the time. We are very close in this regard.
I sit way too much. Just p/u a bigger rear brake tab - might actually be able to find it w/ my foot now (ktm)
Cars have anti lock brakes so that you can still steer under hard braking not to make you stop quicker.
"old boots"
Old boot*
@@dirtydoigler2116 lol
Has anyone tried the OX Hydra brake system (left handed rear brake) ? what are they like ?
Philip Smith ive seein the old ones. Kinda janky. Get the rekluse kit It’s a junction valve tho so you can only use one at time
@@yz125rider209 Cheers mate :-)
If you wheelie do you stay on the balls of your feet or do you keep it on the rear break ?
Ps, dig dem moto tyre shelves in your shop!
Do you have to put the clutch in when you break?
No, but downshifting can help brake by using the engine
Nice!! 👍
Whoa.. switching it up from fmf. No spark arrestor on that correct?
KTM sent this to me to try it... I didn't ask for it. It was the first time they've ever sent me anything. It came in a goodie pack with some other stuff. It's pretty pointless since it has no spark arrestor and it's too expensive. I''ll be going back to FMF relatively soon.
Dirt Bike Channel Good plug for some power parts exposure by KTM.
@@TKReyesup yeah, that is all that was. Eventually I might do a video showing it and saying that I don't understand the point of that silencer. If it had a sparkey on it... maybe, but in it's current form, not worth it.
Some top riders install a shorter rear brake lever and ride on their balls of their feet and still be able to use the RB.
If u stand when road riding ...cagers can actually see us
cager conundrum, as long as it’s legal in your state... I recommend against this in WA unless you want a ticket.
@@Jonnyca21 it seems to be a grey area in uk :)
@@Jonnyca21 in court fighting the ticket....."your honour i just wanted to be seen and to be able to see past and inbetween the parked cars also didnt want to get ran over by the car " wthhhhhhhh lol
Too much weight in th back box is also another good reason to weight the pegs with whole bodyweight
Police keep seeing me at it and think is ok anyway...I mean I always follow ATGATT TO THE MAX so I look like an astronaut withe like £1000s of gear on
I got a ticket for standing on bike. Was on a WR250R (dirt oriented dual sport) with full armor after coming out of woods Was going over windy bridge and stood for control, knees against tank. Cop who wrote me up was in open face helmet, nylon short sleeve shirt and leather boots. I was 1000X safer than him. Still got ticket.
I know right it must be hard owning a 12000 dollar bike and afraid of some snow
Anybody use handle bar risers? I'm 6'4" and very uncomfortable on my 2020 250 xc-w tpi ktm I heard handle bar risers give out alot of vibration.
Or add a steering stabilizer and use a sub mount for it, that raises the bars nicely.
Would you like to give me a dirt bike?☺️☺️😊😊
Have you changed your opinion of braking while standing up? Your video from 2017 doesn’t differentiate sitting vs standing technique, but you generally said it’s better to lift your foot off the peg ruclips.net/video/LoiHCzLOQ1A/видео.html
Well duh. If your not standing and braking your not riding your a passenger.
Duhhh yourself. Why are you watching a tips video when you clearly know everything?