Communicated with the primary authors of this study directly, and shared with Layne. Even they admit the media blew their study out of proportion. Reverse causality and unmeasured confounders drive the results. The bigger issue with diet colas over time may be the added phosphates. But that applies to any colas diet or not and there are higher priority concerns in the nutrition space. I personally enjoy an occasional Coke Zero (distant past Coke Classic addict) and diet 7up, which is citrate, rather than phosphate based and therefore may even ever so slightly lower kidney stone risk.
Yo Layne. Saw you on Diary of a CEO. Just so you know, you’ve made a difference in MY life. The information you provide has led to so many positive outcomes for me. You’ve made positive changes in people’s lives. It’s not something you should worry about.
The authors don't seem too convinced that artificial sweeteners are to blame either. " This study does not demonstrate that consumption of SSB and ASB alters AF risk but rather that the consumption of SSB and ASB may predict AF risk beyond traditional risk factors."
As a person that deals with AFIB I found it's the caffeine for me. Sugar and artificial sweeteners have very little impact. Too much Coke zero can trigger it or make it worse but no-caffeine Coke zero doesn't. Problem is since Covid began it's very difficult to get no-caffeine Coke zero so I had to switch over to Root Beer and Ginger Ale zero sodas. Too much dark chocolate can sometimes trigger it as well and I'm eating 95% Lindt which is very low in sugar.
@nattyfatty6.0that is fucking wild mate, to put it in perspective a double espresso is ~150mg caffeine, so you're effectively consuming ~10-13 double espressos a day; or 20-26 single espressos.
@nattyfatty6.0 Sounds like you have premature beats - the heart beats earlier than it should, then it pauses to get back into synch, then the first beat after that can be a big THUMP, which is what you feel and react to. The coughing seems to be a natural reaction to that.
@@elliotclarke5685 "Coughing is a form of self-regulation of the heart, it's actually taught as an emergency means of performing cpr on yourself if you're having a heart attack" It is not. Its long been debunked.
Have suffer from afib for almost two decades now. Ben cardioverted more times than I can count. Lost a hundred pounds 2 years ago and got in shape and not only cut my meds from 19 pills a day to four, but have yet to be hospitalized or had an AFib incident. And I love me some Coke Zero and root beer zero and have no issue. Clearly it was a fact I was obese and not exercising.
Had AFIB which was corrected with a cryo PV ablation. My cardiologist explained how it was an embryonic defect that was responsible in my case. Never had a trigger from Diet soda although extremely hard cardio often brought it on.
I got sent this article by a relative and immediately taught it was going to land on this channel at some point. The authors themselves admit as much in the abstract of the study. That it does not demonstrate ASBs are altering risk for AFib. Right there in the last sentence of the Abstract.
@@dekyor9547 a systematic review is a review on all previous meta analysis, not just one. Cochrane reviews, from my understanding, are the gold standard. I don't live in an echo chamber so I always listen to both sides and I saw a video from a carnivore person going over this study and saying how saturated fats are as bad as previously believed. Which is why I'd like it gone over by phys as well. Never think something is "clear."
@@salvarunatortuga5396 "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" look it up on Google. Is it a systematic review or meta analysis? I can't tell
I drink a lot of sparkling water and Diet Coke with no issues, but for some reason diet root beer (which is caffeine-free) gives me weird chest pain, and only when I drink diet root beer! I assume it’s indigestion so now I just avoid it, but I do miss it.
Diet soda gives me immediate anxiety symptoms. Racing heart beat. I’m fine with coffee or tea. Although my use of those has greatly decreased as I age.
"Arts, crafts and sciences uplift the world of being, and are conducive to its exaltation. Knowledge is as wings to man’s life, and a ladder for his ascent. Its acquisition is incumbent upon everyone…In truth, knowledge is a veritable treasure for man, and a source of glory, of bounty, of joy, of exaltation, of cheer and gladness unto him. Happy the man that cleaveth unto it, and woe betide the heedless." -Baha'i Teaching
Yes the amount of stupidity that is on social media its insane, thanks to Layne i started to eat more fruits (smoothies) veggies (form of soup) and at 51 i feel a lot better, i drink diet pepsi from time to time but to not abuse moderation is key.
If diet soda causes AFib, then I should have had a heart attack by now. I have been a diet soda addict (caffeinated Diet Coke) for 19 years now, taking in about 2.5 liters per day, on average, for 7 days a week during those 19 years. I'm still here. still fit and healthy, still hiking, still cycling, still sleeping well at night (minus the need to urinate, of course, with that much fluid intake on top of water and milk as well). Anyone else have a similar habit to mine without any problems?
I am in a similar place in my Fifties, the only reason I don't drink as much zero calorie soda as I used to, is having to go to the bathroom all the time, except for me Diet Coke tastes like dirty dishwater and Coke Zero hits the spot for me.
Aspartame destroys your gut microbiome, and damages your kidneys. It's documented. The problem with kidney damage is when the symptoms show up, it's too late.
Great video. At the end of the day, no one can force anyone to consume anything they don’t want or if they choose consume something strictly based on anecdotal information. That applies to everything whether it be keto, carnivore, veganism, consumption of non-nutritive sweetners, etc. . I say people should just do what they want without getting caught up in the never ending web of BS, or worse engaging in fear mongering and spreading BS they hear from their favourite You Tube Influencer. Nuff said! Peace Out ✌️
I'm 40. I'm on TRT. I lift weights 2 to 3 times a week (Mike mentzer stuff) and i live on zero calorie sodas and black coffee for years. I just got blood work done--ta da! A1C exceptional, hdl and ldl exceptional, my test is 1350 but that's from my trt. My physician thinks I'm an anomaly. I'm not. I control calories. Eat balanced. Stay active. AND ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS ARE A STAPLE. As you were.
I hate the whole “let’s zoom in super close on the graph to make it look way worse that it is”, coupled with peoples base level misunderstanding of percentage increases.
I have drank over 3 litres most days for over 20 years, artificial sweeteners do nothing significant to have a negative inside on your health, at most they may effect insulin but does that matter if you don’t overeat? Absolutely not.
As someone who drinks 6-8 Zero calorie sodas a day, and has been doing so for the last 20 years, I WOULD BE DEAD if any of these ridiculous studies were true. I am not overweight, nor do I drink alcohol, if that helps.
Studies quoting relative risk variance vs. absolute risk variance are a scam. The absolute risk variance was 0.5%, which is NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. That's all this study needed to say.
Any chance you could look at this data about eggs? I don’t know the flaws in this argument, but I feel skeptical about eggs in particular (out of so many different foods) having this strong of a correlation to disease. Plus, when talking about protein, the quality of it matters, right? So where tofu might be a stronger alternative, many other plant based proteins (even if in larger quantities) wouldn’t necessarily be as effective. Thank you. ruclips.net/video/UezQLQDiGww/видео.htmlsi=zW8-Rpt_4RgA7vo1
@@swollteam4316 It's not just semantics. This is one of the most important distinctions in all of scientific/statistical research in understanding what type of claims and limitations you can draw from a study.
Lets start off with the idea that Soda, diet or otherwise, is best not consumed at all. Fruit juices, albeit "natural", are too concentrated with fructose and are best not consumed either. H2O for the win!
Some of these studies are getting ridiculous. I don't have to conduct and/or review studies to realize drinking diet soda won't cause afib. The people conducting these types of studies have too much time on their hands.
Diet soda is an alternative to normal soda. For people that like soda diet soda is way better for their health. Nobody said you should drink diet soda if you don't want to drink it. You can't be perfect in your diet or else you will give up, diet soda is a great way to have a treat without drinking empty calories of very fast sugars
30 years ago...in my 30s... I used to drink 64 ounce Big Gulp of Diet Pepsi...everyday. After a couple years of doing this, I felt terrible. Brain fog, heart palpitations. I'm 5'10" and was about 180 pounds, athletic, not overweight. Switched to drinking iced tea and/or water. Problems went away. I read a book on the dangers of aspartame, how GD Searle and Donald Rumsfeld got it approved, and recalled a conversation with a college friend whose father was a food chemist at Hunt-Wesson division of Beatrice Foods. Her father said that Nutrisweet/Aspartame is not something you want in your body. It does bad things. I believe him...because it does. Making assumptions that only obese people drink diet soda is just plain dumb. It's proven that non-nutritive sweeteners cause an insulin response in the absence of sugar, because of the brain's response of sweet on the tongue. Once you cut out sweet in your diet, your cravings for it diminish.
Your experience could as well be related to caffeine considering the symptoms. The scienctific consensus so far says that aspartame is safe in the recommended dosages.
Artificially sweetened sodas containing sucralose or aspartame do not result in any acute elevation in blood sugar or insulin following a 20 ounce load. There is no reason to suspect that a higher consumption would result in an elevation in these measures. Any noted insulin resistance linked to high intake of artificial sweeteners is likely a function of the excess calories and processed ingredients often included within artificially-sweetened food and beverage products. www.oatext.com/pdf/IFNM-3-141.pdf
Correlation does not equal causation. A big gulp full of caffeinated soda is a lot of caffeine - like 300+ mgs. AFIB is associated to caffeine as well.
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Communicated with the primary authors of this study directly, and shared with Layne. Even they admit the media blew their study out of proportion. Reverse causality and unmeasured confounders drive the results. The bigger issue with diet colas over time may be the added phosphates. But that applies to any colas diet or not and there are higher priority concerns in the nutrition space. I personally enjoy an occasional Coke Zero (distant past Coke Classic addict) and diet 7up, which is citrate, rather than phosphate based and therefore may even ever so slightly lower kidney stone risk.
Yo Layne. Saw you on Diary of a CEO. Just so you know, you’ve made a difference in MY life. The information you provide has led to so many positive outcomes for me. You’ve made positive changes in people’s lives. It’s not something you should worry about.
The authors don't seem too convinced that artificial sweeteners are to blame either.
" This study does not demonstrate that consumption of SSB and ASB alters AF risk but rather that the consumption of SSB and ASB may predict AF risk beyond traditional risk factors."
As a person that deals with AFIB I found it's the caffeine for me. Sugar and artificial sweeteners have very little impact. Too much Coke zero can trigger it or make it worse but no-caffeine Coke zero doesn't. Problem is since Covid began it's very difficult to get no-caffeine Coke zero so I had to switch over to Root Beer and Ginger Ale zero sodas. Too much dark chocolate can sometimes trigger it as well and I'm eating 95% Lindt which is very low in sugar.
Your anecdotes mean nothing here. Scientism says 'bring me a double-blind placebo-controlled study, please."
@nattyfatty6.0that is fucking wild mate, to put it in perspective a double espresso is ~150mg caffeine, so you're effectively consuming ~10-13 double espressos a day; or 20-26 single espressos.
You guys get no caffeine Coke Zero? I've been looking for that for years, but here in the non-US world it doesn't exist.
@nattyfatty6.0 Sounds like you have premature beats - the heart beats earlier than it should, then it pauses to get back into synch, then the first beat after that can be a big THUMP, which is what you feel and react to. The coughing seems to be a natural reaction to that.
@@elliotclarke5685 "Coughing is a form of self-regulation of the heart, it's actually taught as an emergency means of performing cpr on yourself if you're having a heart attack"
It is not. Its long been debunked.
Appreciate you talking it through and bringing logic, practicality, and education instead of sensationalism.
Have suffer from afib for almost two decades now. Ben cardioverted more times than I can count. Lost a hundred pounds 2 years ago and got in shape and not only cut my meds from 19 pills a day to four, but have yet to be hospitalized or had an AFib incident. And I love me some Coke Zero and root beer zero and have no issue. Clearly it was a fact I was obese and not exercising.
Had AFIB which was corrected with a cryo PV ablation. My cardiologist explained how it was an embryonic defect that was responsible in my case. Never had a trigger from Diet soda although extremely hard cardio often brought it on.
I got sent this article by a relative and immediately taught it was going to land on this channel at some point.
The authors themselves admit as much in the abstract of the study. That it does not demonstrate ASBs are altering risk for AFib. Right there in the last sentence of the Abstract.
Please do a video about the new Cochrane systematic review saying saturated fat doesn't impact heart health.
Wtf they already had one meta analysis about that and the conclusions were clear
@@dekyor9547 a systematic review is a review on all previous meta analysis, not just one. Cochrane reviews, from my understanding, are the gold standard.
I don't live in an echo chamber so I always listen to both sides and I saw a video from a carnivore person going over this study and saying how saturated fats are as bad as previously believed. Which is why I'd like it gone over by phys as well. Never think something is "clear."
@@salvarunatortuga5396 "Reduction in saturated fat intake for cardiovascular disease" look it up on Google. Is it a systematic review or meta analysis? I can't tell
Diets high in free glutamate can be a cause. Most processed foods have high levels, and a few natural foods such as tomatoes tofu and mushrooms.
Great work as always!
3:32 did you mean higher AFib in naturally sweetened beverages over artitifically sweetened bevs?
Science-Based Medicine did an analysis in today's post. Same conclusions. This was also an uncontrolled study.
Keep up the good work. Can I request a video on MJ and cardiac events/conditions?
Need to do a video on "don't just read the headlines." IFLS did this with an article a few years ago about a planet made of like 99% THC
Peoples complete inability to handle nuance is amazing
It's so exhausting
I drink a lot of sparkling water and Diet Coke with no issues, but for some reason diet root beer (which is caffeine-free) gives me weird chest pain, and only when I drink diet root beer! I assume it’s indigestion so now I just avoid it, but I do miss it.
Diet soda gives me immediate anxiety symptoms. Racing heart beat. I’m fine with coffee or tea. Although my use of those has greatly decreased as I age.
"Arts, crafts and sciences uplift the world of being, and are conducive to its exaltation. Knowledge is as wings to man’s life, and a ladder for his ascent. Its acquisition is incumbent upon everyone…In truth, knowledge is a veritable treasure for man, and a source of glory, of bounty, of joy, of exaltation, of cheer and gladness unto him. Happy the man that cleaveth unto it, and woe betide the heedless." -Baha'i Teaching
Fffoooorrrrr the algorithm!!!!
Always thought it was fooooool the algorithme.
But fooooooor make more sense
Yes the amount of stupidity that is on social media its insane, thanks to Layne i started to eat more fruits (smoothies) veggies (form of soup) and at 51 i feel a lot better, i drink diet pepsi from time to time but to not abuse moderation is key.
One day they're gonna find something actually heinous about diet soda and I'm not gonna believe it and die ☠️ 😂
If diet soda causes AFib, then I should have had a heart attack by now. I have been a diet soda addict (caffeinated Diet Coke) for 19 years now, taking in about 2.5 liters per day, on average, for 7 days a week during those 19 years. I'm still here. still fit and healthy, still hiking, still cycling, still sleeping well at night (minus the need to urinate, of course, with that much fluid intake on top of water and milk as well). Anyone else have a similar habit to mine without any problems?
I am in a similar place in my Fifties, the only reason I don't drink as much zero calorie soda as I used to, is having to go to the bathroom all the time, except for me Diet Coke tastes like dirty dishwater and Coke Zero hits the spot for me.
Yep. I drink on average 5 cans of Diet Coke per day. No heart problems.
Aspartame destroys your gut microbiome, and damages your kidneys. It's documented. The problem with kidney damage is when the symptoms show up, it's too late.
U gonna drop soon with that routine
@nattyfatty6.0 most of the planet is.
Please figure out whats going on with the poor sound quality it makes it difficult to follow the great info that gets pretty complex for a layperson.
Great video. At the end of the day, no one can force anyone to consume anything they don’t want or if they choose consume something strictly based on anecdotal information. That applies to everything whether it be keto, carnivore, veganism, consumption of non-nutritive sweetners, etc. . I say people should just do what they want without getting caught up in the never ending web of BS, or worse engaging in fear mongering and spreading BS they hear from their favourite You Tube Influencer. Nuff said! Peace Out ✌️
I'm 40. I'm on TRT. I lift weights 2 to 3 times a week (Mike mentzer stuff) and i live on zero calorie sodas and black coffee for years. I just got blood work done--ta da! A1C exceptional, hdl and ldl exceptional, my test is 1350 but that's from my trt. My physician thinks I'm an anomaly. I'm not. I control calories. Eat balanced. Stay active. AND ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS ARE A STAPLE. As you were.
I hate the whole “let’s zoom in super close on the graph to make it look way worse that it is”, coupled with peoples base level misunderstanding of percentage increases.
"...what the...". (turns down volume, expecting HUMAN RANDOMIZED CONTROL TRIALS)
I have drank over 3 litres most days for over 20 years, artificial sweeteners do nothing significant to have a negative inside on your health, at most they may effect insulin but does that matter if you don’t overeat? Absolutely not.
Why cant coke maie theirs with Monk fruit😮
Can you say this about the covid vaccine relative and absolute
As someone who drinks 6-8 Zero calorie sodas a day, and has been doing so for the last 20 years, I WOULD BE DEAD if any of these ridiculous studies were true. I am not overweight, nor do I drink alcohol, if that helps.
i used diet soda to lose weight now i just enjoy it so i keep drinking it even after losing the weight.
I like R.E.P.S. I just don’t have time to read for pleasure at this point in my life. I’ll sign back up when I have more time
thank you
Jolt Cola AFIB in a Can!!!! lol
Studies quoting relative risk variance vs. absolute risk variance are a scam. The absolute risk variance was 0.5%, which is NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. That's all this study needed to say.
I think the algorithm causes a fib and severe mental phosphorylation
Instead of diet soda drinkers, they should look at people like me who consume six scoops of protein powder with artificial sweeteners every day.
Dang Layne left arm activision
Thx!!
Any chance you could look at this data about eggs? I don’t know the flaws in this argument, but I feel skeptical about eggs in particular (out of so many different foods) having this strong of a correlation to disease. Plus, when talking about protein, the quality of it matters, right? So where tofu might be a stronger alternative, many other plant based proteins (even if in larger quantities) wouldn’t necessarily be as effective. Thank you.
ruclips.net/video/UezQLQDiGww/видео.htmlsi=zW8-Rpt_4RgA7vo1
Its amazing how studies like this never have a water control group
IT'S observational, not experimental. if it were experimental it would have a control group. This is just observational.
@@nelsonhoffman5922 Nobody cares about the semantics when the study is making claims like this
Nobody likes water anymore- they need liquids sweetened to appease their fried-out dopamine receptors
Ppl who have the patience to analyze things and go beyond reading the headlines care about the semantics, aka nuance.
@@swollteam4316 It's not just semantics. This is one of the most important distinctions in all of scientific/statistical research in understanding what type of claims and limitations you can draw from a study.
Lets start off with the idea that Soda, diet or otherwise, is best not consumed at all. Fruit juices, albeit "natural", are too concentrated with fructose and are best not consumed either. H2O for the win!
hi layne.
FOR THE AL GORE-RHYTHM
So I CAN drink Diet Pepsi? Ok then.
One thing i can day is Pepsi or Coke didnt pay for that study😅
Covariance is a magical tool now, right…that’s a good way to spot a shitty study…
Caffeine pills and protein shakes 💪 and ground beef
Algo
❤
Comment for the Al Gore Rhythm.
Inconclusive. Got it.
I drink like 5 diet Dr ps a day. wonder if I got afib
Comment
FTA
For the algorithm
Algorithm
Life will kill ya
Some of these studies are getting ridiculous. I don't have to conduct and/or review studies to realize drinking diet soda won't cause afib. The people conducting these types of studies have too much time on their hands.
why you guys looking for reasons to drink this crap?! Just drink water
Diet soda is an alternative to normal soda. For people that like soda diet soda is way better for their health.
Nobody said you should drink diet soda if you don't want to drink it.
You can't be perfect in your diet or else you will give up, diet soda is a great way to have a treat without drinking empty calories of very fast sugars
For the algo
Fta
30 years ago...in my 30s... I used to drink 64 ounce Big Gulp of Diet Pepsi...everyday. After a couple years of doing this, I felt terrible. Brain fog, heart palpitations. I'm 5'10" and was about 180 pounds, athletic, not overweight. Switched to drinking iced tea and/or water. Problems went away. I read a book on the dangers of aspartame, how GD Searle and Donald Rumsfeld got it approved, and recalled a conversation with a college friend whose father was a food chemist at Hunt-Wesson division of Beatrice Foods. Her father said that Nutrisweet/Aspartame is not something you want in your body. It does bad things. I believe him...because it does. Making assumptions that only obese people drink diet soda is just plain dumb. It's proven that non-nutritive sweeteners cause an insulin response in the absence of sugar, because of the brain's response of sweet on the tongue. Once you cut out sweet in your diet, your cravings for it diminish.
""It's proven that non-nutritive sweeteners cause an insulin response in the absence of sugar"" Source?
💯 based comment ! Stay away from sweetners. Eat some fruit & drink mineral water if your palate indulges
Your experience could as well be related to caffeine considering the symptoms.
The scienctific consensus so far says that aspartame is safe in the recommended dosages.
Artificially sweetened sodas containing sucralose or aspartame do not result in any acute elevation in blood sugar or insulin following a 20 ounce load. There is no reason to suspect that a higher consumption would result in an elevation in these measures. Any noted insulin resistance linked to high intake of artificial sweeteners is likely a function of the excess calories and processed ingredients often included within artificially-sweetened food and beverage products.
www.oatext.com/pdf/IFNM-3-141.pdf
Correlation does not equal causation. A big gulp full of caffeinated soda is a lot of caffeine - like 300+ mgs. AFIB is associated to caffeine as well.
For the algorithm