Dylan McMahon I didn't know Fugazi was considered post-hardcore till this video. I'm only slightly familiar with their music (I've had countless ppl insist I dive into their catalog, just slow to get on it), but I like pretty much everything by them I've heard. Maybe I'm a serious sleeper fan of the genre. Tbh it's the "emo" label that always scared me from "post-hardcore". Perhaps I've been a fool.
@@nikolademitri731 Get The Argument and In on the Kill Taker. Unless Youre a teen punk, you dont need their early stuff. Red Medicine kind of a good album, but the odd one out in their discography. But Thats just my opinion. GET BOTH DLH ALBUMS NOW!! :D
I know Spiderland, don't know this band/album but I am hyped to check them out! I think you did a wonderful job at explaining this band to people who aren't familiar with them, and made a lot of great connections/references, and I learned more about the Midwest scene and it's revival, plus the important difference between A Day To Remember and Sunny Day Real Estate! Also, I am beyond excited for the Bjork guide holy gronolly
Maaan what a great pick for an essentials episode! I was incredibly fortunate to find a copy of this at my local vinyl shop, and have loved it ever since. I don't know that I'd put this solidly in either the post-hardcore or mathrock camps, it really inhabits that space between, without falling entirely into either. A really unique and beautiful album.
Always looking forward to a new video from you. Here are some suggestions for future videos: - 5 albums to get you into drone (and/or drone metal) - 5 albums to get you into psychedelic rock - 5 albums to get you into experimental electronic music - 5 albums to get you into modern classical music - A guide to Scott Walker - A guide to The Cure - A guide to Pink Floyd
You should do Froberg's other bands Hot Snakes, and Obits. Both are like Jehu with a twist. Both have a lot of the kind of discordant, angular riffs that drove DLJ.Pitchfork, Froberg's 1st band to record an album (Eucalyptus)is harder to find but no less awesome than Hot Snakes, Jehu, and Obits. I'd definitely classify it as a sort of proto emo album. Everything Froberg has ever recorded is emo/post hardcore genius. Thanks for the video brother.
First wave "emo" is one of the biggest genre misnomers. I always likened DLJ to more of a west coast flavored Sonic Youth with the requisite guitar mayhem and occasional feedback solos that sizzle with that SoCal vibe. And yo, the s/t was the real killer. Al Burian's bit about them in Burn Collector 11 flipped the switch for me and made me realize that tracks like "Good Luck In Jail" and "If It Kills You" are legit meditation music for the human soul awakened to the duplicity of being an individual in an indifferent modern world. When I was burning out in my failed venture in Boston, I used to wake up to "If It Kills You" and Flag's "My War" ('82 demo cut) and fall asleep to The Stooges' "Dirt" to reaffirm my place in the cycle of the day-to-day world. Die to relax, declare war, and burn. The circle of life.
The singer/guitarist and guitarist and of Drive Like Jehu just signed their other band Hot Snakes to SUBPOP records, who will reissue their entire catalog because SUBPOP loves the albums so much + a fall tour and new album in 2018!
amazing album and a great review... Here some suggestions id like to see on your channel: Sonic youth, Cardiacs, Scott Walker, Nine inch nails, DJ Shadow, old experimental artist like Harry Partch, john cage etc ... also pop is pretty unpopular on our sophisticated community so maybe id like to see something like Abba, prince, Smiths, The Cure? :D Keep up the good work :)
Oliver! May I ask, where all are you heading during your trip? Coming around Pittsburgh, by chance? If you are, I'd practically insist on buying you a beer, or bourbon, etc! Dunno if your just on vacation or in the states for business, *but if you're swinging by Pittsburgh, and want any suggestions for great food, nightlife, art, etc, I'd gladly give suggestions!* :) Thanks again for the content. I'll have to give this a listen. I'm not huge on post-hardcore, but I do own "Relationship Of Command" haha. Cheers, mate! 🍻
Hey man, thanks for the kind words as always! Unfortunately I'm not up near Pittsburgh for this trip, I'm in LA now. Shame cos I never turn down a drink!
deep cuts No worries, dude. If I was a European visiting the States, I'd likely shoot for California, NYC, or about a dozen other places before Pittsburgh too. If you're ever in PA, you must visit Philly and the 'Burgh, though! At any rate, enjoy your trip to our wonderful and admittedly backwards Empire. Enjoy yourself some of that quality, legal Cali reefer, mate! Haha Cheers 🍻
God, when I heard em say PTV and ADTR were bands that passed for "post-hardcore" these days and he said "ew", I felt so euphoric. I HATE those bands. Most contemporary "post-hardcore" bands are lame, poppy, and cringed-levels of emo. Thank you Oliver for understand what real hardcore music is. I'm really gonna listen to Drive Like Jehu as soon as possible. I want to turn you to a band called Touche Amore. Not sure if you're familiar with them but their an ACTUAL post-hardcore band from California and they have a great discography of albums and the sound of each one shows significant levels of progression and stylistic growth. Highly recommend you check them out.
Yes! Jeremy has also been sincere and confessional lyrically since the beginning. Which is another thing pretty that was universal in 80s post-hardcore in my opinion. Not to disrespect ADTR, as this statement is probably not entirely true of their entire catalogue, but it adds more to the layers of music than, say, the line "Disrespect your surroundings." Well, to me at least.
Daniel Bernas love deep cuts, but I'm more a fan of silent shout and shaking the habitual tbh... it calls for a knife guide, no? 🍻 cheers 🥂 Edit - I actually did not make the connection to the channel name until after I posted this, as absurd as that might sound.. Dear Christ.. Perhaps for the aesthetic, Deep Cuts would be most appropriate, yes..
Nikola Demitri LOL. yeah, I think that silent shout is superior to Deep Cuts, but Shaking the Habitual is their best, even though ranking their records is kind of apples and oranges. not counting their opera, I think that the Knifes albums get better chronologically
letlive were a fantastic example of a modern post-hardcore band as they genuinely were a continuation of a straightforward hardcore band that added in other influences.
Universe Arcana Sorry, their garbage, Go listen to a REAL hardcore band. And to further extension, listen to a better Metalcore band. ADTR's music is so generic and lacks so much energy that it gives me headaches.
Looking back on them I can't stand their music, but they still had an important mark on my musical journey and tbh I probably wouldn't have discovered Drive Like Jehu without adtr
It's the same with a lot of artists really. For me (and sam by the looks of it), we got into post hardcore through bands like ADTR and PTV. A gateway drug into the genre, if you will. I definitely don't listen to them much now that I'm in my 20s, but albums like Homesick and Selfish Machines hold a special place in my heart.
Universe Arcana I outgrew that shit. Realized those "post-hardcore" bands are whiny, pitiful excuses but I'm gonna be honest: PTV did indeed introduce to me to post-hardcore, and surely enough, it allowed to find bands in the genre that are waaaaaaay better.
I was kinda iffy going into melodrama because i wasnt 100% sold on green light and liability at first. guess i was expecting royals 2.0 or something after listening to it a couple times, i think its even more compelling than pure heroine, which is one of my all time favourites
IDanceMyselfClean Yeah, i actually see what you mean, although i really loved Liability when it came out so I was kind of prepared for a knock out. I've only listened through once or twice so far so will have to return. Big fan so far though! She's a modern pop hero
I love old post hardcore and to be honest I think ADTR are pretty good (still can't let go of my emo phase) but really are not a post hardcore band they fit way more into the pop punk/easycore scene.
I think you'd probably like a lot of the new emo revival bands. they aren't like the MCR bullshit pop, but more like 90s Midwest emo. eg algernon cadwallader sound a lot like capn jazz
U shouldn't shit on ptv just cuz its popular to do so, if u look past the image and pretty annoying voice (and pretty annoying fanbase) there is some legitimately well written and composed songs on a musical level
Blue Concrete Fields Sorry for being brash, there. Let me try to be civil. I have a large disdain for PTV's music and others like it because it's redefined post-hardcore to point where it has lost its original meaning and now mainstream "post-hardcore" is a shadow of its more independent and brash origin.
Ezequiel Melian i agree, I personally see them as just emo/pop because there is pretty much no connection to hardcore in the sound. And i dont know why bands like that are labeled in that genre cause they're not really post hardcore.
Love me some classic Post Hardcore music. You should do a guide to Fugazi or 5 albums to get you into Post Hardcore
Dylan McMahon I didn't know Fugazi was considered post-hardcore till this video. I'm only slightly familiar with their music (I've had countless ppl insist I dive into their catalog, just slow to get on it), but I like pretty much everything by them I've heard. Maybe I'm a serious sleeper fan of the genre. Tbh it's the "emo" label that always scared me from "post-hardcore". Perhaps I've been a fool.
Guide to Fugazi would be good, but a guide to Unwound would be even better IMO
Actually, quality of the guide probably depends on which band Oliver is more passionate about
Henry Barlow that's fair, actually.
@@nikolademitri731 Get The Argument and In on the Kill Taker. Unless Youre a teen punk, you dont need their early stuff. Red Medicine kind of a good album, but the odd one out in their discography. But Thats just my opinion. GET BOTH DLH ALBUMS NOW!! :D
This album was grade 10 for me. I learned how to drive to this!
Fuck I think I would have crashed
Did you drive… like Jehu?
@@detrimentalist_ lol, I see what you did there, Lain
What an album. Faultless and timeless and relentlessly refuses to age. A mammoth album.
I know Spiderland, don't know this band/album but I am hyped to check them out! I think you did a wonderful job at explaining this band to people who aren't familiar with them, and made a lot of great connections/references, and I learned more about the Midwest scene and it's revival, plus the important difference between A Day To Remember and Sunny Day Real Estate!
Also, I am beyond excited for the Bjork guide holy gronolly
Maaan what a great pick for an essentials episode! I was incredibly fortunate to find a copy of this at my local vinyl shop, and have loved it ever since. I don't know that I'd put this solidly in either the post-hardcore or mathrock camps, it really inhabits that space between, without falling entirely into either. A really unique and beautiful album.
Yank Crime is too good for this world
Always looking forward to a new video from you.
Here are some suggestions for future videos:
- 5 albums to get you into drone (and/or drone metal)
- 5 albums to get you into psychedelic rock
- 5 albums to get you into experimental electronic music
- 5 albums to get you into modern classical music
- A guide to Scott Walker
- A guide to The Cure
- A guide to Pink Floyd
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Fuck yes. One of my favorite 90s bands.
man this album kind of blew my mind when I first heard it
you should do a list on your favorite concerts of all time.
I don't think either of these CDs left my cars CD player for a year when they came out in the 90's. And now 25+ years later I still listen to them.
"Suit up!"
Loving these essentials, keep it up m8!
You should do Froberg's other bands Hot Snakes, and Obits. Both are like Jehu with a twist. Both have a lot of the kind of discordant, angular riffs that drove DLJ.Pitchfork, Froberg's 1st band to record an album (Eucalyptus)is harder to find but no less awesome than Hot Snakes, Jehu, and Obits. I'd definitely classify it as a sort of proto emo album. Everything Froberg has ever recorded is emo/post hardcore genius. Thanks for the video brother.
Always enjoy your reviews, Oliver. Excellent work, mate!
Thanks mate!
"Bible innit" made me lol
First wave "emo" is one of the biggest genre misnomers. I always likened DLJ to more of a west coast flavored Sonic Youth with the requisite guitar mayhem and occasional feedback solos that sizzle with that SoCal vibe.
And yo, the s/t was the real killer. Al Burian's bit about them in Burn Collector 11 flipped the switch for me and made me realize that tracks like "Good Luck In Jail" and "If It Kills You" are legit meditation music for the human soul awakened to the duplicity of being an individual in an indifferent modern world. When I was burning out in my failed venture in Boston, I used to wake up to "If It Kills You" and Flag's "My War" ('82 demo cut) and fall asleep to The Stooges' "Dirt" to reaffirm my place in the cycle of the day-to-day world. Die to relax, declare war, and burn. The circle of life.
The singer/guitarist and guitarist and of Drive Like Jehu just signed their other band Hot Snakes to SUBPOP records, who will reissue their entire catalog because SUBPOP loves the albums so much + a fall tour and new album in 2018!
Hey Oliver where'd you get that Yank Crime shirt you're wearing in the thumbnail.
amazing album and a great review... Here some suggestions id like to see on your channel: Sonic youth, Cardiacs, Scott Walker, Nine inch nails, DJ Shadow, old experimental artist like Harry Partch, john cage etc ... also pop is pretty unpopular on our sophisticated community so maybe id like to see something like Abba, prince, Smiths, The Cure? :D Keep up the good work :)
Oliver! May I ask, where all are you heading during your trip? Coming around Pittsburgh, by chance? If you are, I'd practically insist on buying you a beer, or bourbon, etc! Dunno if your just on vacation or in the states for business, *but if you're swinging by Pittsburgh, and want any suggestions for great food, nightlife, art, etc, I'd gladly give suggestions!* :)
Thanks again for the content. I'll have to give this a listen. I'm not huge on post-hardcore, but I do own "Relationship Of Command" haha. Cheers, mate! 🍻
Hey man, thanks for the kind words as always! Unfortunately I'm not up near Pittsburgh for this trip, I'm in LA now. Shame cos I never turn down a drink!
deep cuts No worries, dude. If I was a European visiting the States, I'd likely shoot for California, NYC, or about a dozen other places before Pittsburgh too. If you're ever in PA, you must visit Philly and the 'Burgh, though!
At any rate, enjoy your trip to our wonderful and admittedly backwards Empire. Enjoy yourself some of that quality, legal Cali reefer, mate! Haha
Cheers 🍻
Maybe digable planets blowout comb next?
Good shout Milo, the next one actually is a hip hop record...
God, when I heard em say PTV and ADTR were bands that passed for "post-hardcore" these days and he said "ew", I felt so euphoric. I HATE those bands. Most contemporary "post-hardcore" bands are lame, poppy, and cringed-levels of emo. Thank you Oliver for understand what real hardcore music is. I'm really gonna listen to Drive Like Jehu as soon as possible. I want to turn you to a band called Touche Amore. Not sure if you're familiar with them but their an ACTUAL post-hardcore band from California and they have a great discography of albums and the sound of each one shows significant levels of progression and stylistic growth. Highly recommend you check them out.
Check out Underoath's Lost In The Sound Of Separation, only scene band that is actually good imo
Ezequiel Melian ayyy Touche Amore!
I recommend bearvsshark, hot cross, and fall of troy.
Yes! Jeremy has also been sincere and confessional lyrically since the beginning. Which is another thing pretty that was universal in 80s post-hardcore in my opinion. Not to disrespect ADTR, as this statement is probably not entirely true of their entire catalogue, but it adds more to the layers of music than, say, the line "Disrespect your surroundings." Well, to me at least.
I enjoy a few of PTV's songs. No shame
you should do one of these on the Knife album Deep Cuts.
Daniel Bernas love deep cuts, but I'm more a fan of silent shout and shaking the habitual tbh... it calls for a knife guide, no? 🍻 cheers 🥂
Edit - I actually did not make the connection to the channel name until after I posted this, as absurd as that might sound.. Dear Christ.. Perhaps for the aesthetic, Deep Cuts would be most appropriate, yes..
Nikola Demitri LOL. yeah, I think that silent shout is superior to Deep Cuts, but Shaking the Habitual is their best, even though ranking their records is kind of apples and oranges. not counting their opera, I think that the Knifes albums get better chronologically
Daniel Bernas agreed with everything you said, man 👍🏼🍻
letlive were a fantastic example of a modern post-hardcore band as they genuinely were a continuation of a straightforward hardcore band that added in other influences.
simon8r10 Letlive is fantastic but until Fake History they sound so much like a Glassjaw ripoff
Very cool that you chose this record. So fucking underrated
I've always thought of this album as Voivod writing hardcore
Sick album. Well said. Intense.
yes!!!! this album is amazing.
This is a fuckin awesome video man!! Keep up the good work!
Great album
Forgot to add, can't wait to see your Björk guide!
HYPERVENTILATING, FUCK YES!
Not to long ago I asked for a 5 albums to get into emo. While not quite the same, I am happy with this.
2:39 But I like A Day To Remember 😭😭 They guided me through those angsty middle school years
Universe Arcana Sorry, their garbage, Go listen to a REAL hardcore band. And to further extension, listen to a better Metalcore band. ADTR's music is so generic and lacks so much energy that it gives me headaches.
Looking back on them I can't stand their music, but they still had an important mark on my musical journey and tbh I probably wouldn't have discovered Drive Like Jehu without adtr
sam watson How does that work lol?
It's the same with a lot of artists really. For me (and sam by the looks of it), we got into post hardcore through bands like ADTR and PTV. A gateway drug into the genre, if you will. I definitely don't listen to them much now that I'm in my 20s, but albums like Homesick and Selfish Machines hold a special place in my heart.
Universe Arcana I outgrew that shit. Realized those "post-hardcore" bands are whiny, pitiful excuses but I'm gonna be honest: PTV did indeed introduce to me to post-hardcore, and surely enough, it allowed to find bands in the genre that are waaaaaaay better.
curious to hear your thoughts on melodrama from lorde. i thought it was (kinda surprisingly) amazing
IDanceMyselfClean Not massively surprising to me, Pure Heroine was pretty great IMO
I was kinda iffy going into melodrama because i wasnt 100% sold on green light and liability at first. guess i was expecting royals 2.0 or something
after listening to it a couple times, i think its even more compelling than pure heroine, which is one of my all time favourites
IDanceMyselfClean Yeah, i actually see what you mean, although i really loved Liability when it came out so I was kind of prepared for a knock out. I've only listened through once or twice so far so will have to return. Big fan so far though! She's a modern pop hero
I'll try and fit it into the June roundup. June has had SO many releases!
love that album
YES! Probably my fav post-hardcore album ever. Do a post-hardcore video soon.
4:35 U religious?
What's it to you?
PhIlIq I'm just asking. I'm
Concerned.
For his eternal soul or for his mental well-being?
+Neel 2000 no dude I'm not
I love seeing an Aphex Twin fan who’s also a DLJ fan. You obviously must have the best of taste. I salute you.
Could you plz do fugazi guide. I need that
You should talk about Lungfish at some point
Do you have an opinion on the band Foxing?
you compare to spiderland? I guess I have to listen
That "eww" at 2:40 is so funny
opinion on American Epic?
Is that Caravanserai in the background of the intro?
Sure is, fantastic record that
Great review!
Do You Compute and Sinews were written and demo’d in 1990. I have the cassette. It’s insane how ahead of their time they were.
"bible innit"
I love old post hardcore and to be honest I think ADTR are pretty good (still can't let go of my emo phase) but really are not a post hardcore band they fit way more into the pop punk/easycore scene.
yeeeeeah drive like Jesus!
You should do a guides on midwest emo and emocore/screamo.
I prefer this vid, i do posthardcore music lol
I think you'd probably like a lot of the new emo revival bands. they aren't like the MCR bullshit pop, but more like 90s Midwest emo. eg algernon cadwallader sound a lot like capn jazz
I can't tolerate MCR slander, go sit in the corner and think about how you've behaved
Bible innit
i prefer their 1991's album (by 7 points Vs 5)
This is where botch gets it eh?
>mentions Midwest emo
>names the 4 best bands
U shouldn't shit on ptv just cuz its popular to do so, if u look past the image and pretty annoying voice (and pretty annoying fanbase) there is some legitimately well written and composed songs on a musical level
Just stop. PTV is traaaash!
Ezequiel Melian ok, good musical discussion
Blue Concrete Fields Sorry for being brash, there. Let me try to be civil. I have a large disdain for PTV's music and others like it because it's redefined post-hardcore to point where it has lost its original meaning and now mainstream "post-hardcore" is a shadow of its more independent and brash origin.
Ezequiel Melian i agree, I personally see them as just emo/pop because there is pretty much no connection to hardcore in the sound. And i dont know why bands like that are labeled in that genre cause they're not really post hardcore.
Blue Concrete Fields The world may never know. 😕
S/T's better
Bible innit