@no just no Well you dont think it would be even worse if you did it in an uncomfortable way lmao. You probably just have bad shoulder mobility and should not even do dips at all before you fix that.
Agreed, as long as it doesnt hurt it probably suits you. Ive tried so many different variations and as long as my shoulders are healthy none of them make my shoulders painful
Ok. Ive been doing weighted dips for 20 years as a powerlifter. This guy is correct and lean forward. Tri and chest form is slightly different. Tris= knees below hips and elbows tucked. Chest= knees behind hips and elbows flared to about 45 degrees.
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Thank you for this video! I tried to do dips completely vertical and i felt very uncomfortable stress on my shoulders and I thought it was just a feeling. Thank you for addressing this!
The dips itself is a large sea, where you can touch too many muscles just by transitioning between the forms, and for the record; there's no such thing as DONT DO THIS DIP or DO THIS DIP, it's all about **what do you want** essentially. Good luck
Inclining your forearms are kinda risky tho, i wouldn't advice to do them that way (like impossible dips) because if you want to hit triceps, the dip alone do it plenty.
@PureCherryJuice sure bro, hefestos too... High risk to reward, never intended to actually use them for the specific training, but just for the sake of getting the move. Having a brain is amazing.
In my opinion do dips in way which you feels better and more comfortable according to your shoulder mobility but hit at least parallel( u can go below parallel if u hv good mobility )and be concerned on increasing volume applying progressive overload.....🤷🏻♂️ Dips as a whole is a compound lift it still targets chest tricep as well as the front delts So as long as u increase progressive overload u will see chest tricep gains no matter u do by leaning forward or by upright position
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Its too bad inflection doesn't come across on the RUclips chats lol. I meant you should stay satisfied and never tell yourself no. And always expect the cream of the crop. 😋 ☘
This is literally the exact 100% same thing that exists for squats where you have to balance leaning forward and being upright for anterior/posterior leg development and similarly, being completely upright is a fantasy and/or destroys your knees
A lot of calisthenic people do dips with their legs in front of them, which causes your body to be upright. There is no problem doing them like this if you have the mobility and strength. I think the lean shoulder tax only applies if you are adding weight.
doing dips at different angles just targets different pectoral muscles, going to low with dips is what causes shoulder problems. i know this because i dislocated an AC joint by going to low
Decathlon makes stable dips bars like the ones shown in this video. They sell height adjustable bars and non adjustable bars. I bought the non adjustable ones and its been 1 year and they are really stable. Just dont hit it anywhere like on a chair or bed while moving it. Hope this helps
This reminds me of a prank my dad pulled on one of my friends, telling him to lift both legs on a standing hamstring machine. He actually tried and we cracked up so hard! 🤣🤣🤣
He is right, it's kinda hard for me to lean forward and maintain position so I kinda don't care about position, and doing it to upright puts too much stress on the shoulder, and my left shoulder makes clicking sound until now.
?? Hää In reality, he didnt say anything..... You cant dip completly straight , that is humanly impossible. So all he said was...Dip, but try not to lean forward. Crazy advice..Must be studying PT
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@@korcidiamond3623 Well I commented in this video after watching the rest... I was referring to his advice in general. Btw, he just dipped quite straight in the video xD
@ "discern facts from all the crap there" ... He talks about "dips causing too much stress on the shoulders" when you are very upright. That is complete crap. You can even see it in all athletes that incoperate dips. They go full range of motion. Everything you do causes STRESS. That is what you actually want. Use the movement that your body allows you to do. And through this stress, the body adapts. Making it stronger in those stress situations. If you would be able to perform a bicep curl with 100 kg (without ever going in the gym in the first place) your biceps would tear. So is the biceps curl a bad exercise? No. You arent paying respect to the progression. What is bad if you never did full range of motion dips in the first place and dont respect the progression and just jump straight into it. That will injure you, but not the exercise itself. Having a higher range of motion EVEN in the DIP, to be honest...ANYWHERE where a joint is moving, is WAY BETTER for the joint and overall muscles. Joints nutrition by getting moved. So why should you limit your shoulder joint. No hate on the guy. Hate the game not the players.....But people who still think there are "bad exercises" out there are just not educated. And to not confuse you. To a beginner, there are bad exercises. For someone who knows what he is doing, there is not ONE single exercises that is bad. From natures standpoint....It just wouldnt make sense to give us the ability to harm ourself by giving us movements we are able to do and in reality they harm us. Makes no sense. Intensity causes injury, not the movement itself.
Doing it the correct way (torso tilted) hits both triceps and chest. No need to blow your shoulders out by putting you body in a mechanically disadvantaged position. People forget that any pressing exercise is going to hit the triceps, specifically the lateral head. With the dips, you hit all 3. If you want to progressively overload, then I suggest that you invest into a dipping belt
I think the only way to get injured or pain doing dips is if you go too low. I also think that training the bigger muscles is better in compund exercises. Your arms will still grow and then you can add some biceps and teiceps with dumbells. But I know there is the people that don't want to use any other resource, so if you want to exercise the triceps and not have risk of injury you can do push ups with one arm extended and the other with the elbow stuck to the body. That way you train almost one arm (double the weight, almost) and train mostly triceps
They told you wrong essentially look forward to target more triceps and look down to target more chest. Your body corrects for where you are looking. Your arms should always be at a 90 degree angle when at the bottom regardless of what variation you do
I get what you’re saying . You can get a similar workout using the tricep press machine , sit towards the front of the seat and give your back a good arch and you’ll get your chest shoulders and triceps nicely . I like doing low weight high reaps and overloading
Dip if your triceps are burning not when your shoulders are hurting. Before engaging on that workout, make sure you flex and stretch it so that you can feel it when you are pressing on dips then go proceed on the workout
I actually do the upright version to put more emphasis on my triceps and been doing it for more than year with 45 lb plates for reps and it feels great! Never had any shoulder problems. So it really depends on the person…
Dip with feet in front for triceps to maintain upright position and only to the point that your shoulders are comfortable, dip with feet behind knees bent to encourage a lean foward for focus on the chest and only lower to the point your comfortable.
Or you can just do dips the regular way, all the muscles are still being targeted. If you want more triceps activation just do isolate tricep exercises.
My first time doing dips between two countertops, I only did half a rep, and I thought I was having heart palpitations, but it was really my pec spasming like a maniac. The tricep burn two days after was crazy. Just do them however feels most comfortable.
If you wanna do triceps do a close grip. It's essentially like benching. And he's wrong, the more upright you are the more chest you engage. The more forward you are the more triceps you engage
You get enough tricep activation from performing flat bench, incline bench, chest flys, reverse shoulders and dedicated tricep workouts. I would mainly focus on lower chest for this movement
First your shoulder point is very good, but I’m thinking about your elbows, I’ve had a fair share of tendinitis and I can tell that form isn’t going to do your elbows any good. Besides it isn’t at all comfortable to be doing dips straight up.
I like to hold the top position and do a left lift, followed by tilting forward again on the way back down. Makes it hard but I just like doing it that way. Essentially I Do it just like you advise, but I lock out at the top and do a leg lift.
@@sencrew5293 completely false lol your chest is used and activated in just holding yourself up the chest is connected to the humerus bone or upper arm bone
i think it's best to just not even try and isolate a muscle in a compound movement... i mean no matter how you do dips your shoulders triceps and chest will all be used. there are way better tricep isolation movements
You should just do dips however is most comfortable. Its a compound movement and the risk of injury is not worth the slight emphasis on one part.
@no just no Well you dont think it would be even worse if you did it in an uncomfortable way lmao. You probably just have bad shoulder mobility and should not even do dips at all before you fix that.
@no just no I'd still say its better to work on that shoulder mobility through other methods first. Working through pain is never a good idea.
Agreed, as long as it doesnt hurt it probably suits you. Ive tried so many different variations and as long as my shoulders are healthy none of them make my shoulders painful
@@matias9011 it might not be uncomfortable now but in a few years it will. Doing what feels comfortable is a terrible idea.
@@em8714 How do you think doing something uncomfortable would feel after a few years?
The best dips are dipping blue cheese with buffalo wings
Underrated.
Nah, I like dipping buffalo wings with blue cheese. 😆
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Ok. Ive been doing weighted dips for 20 years as a powerlifter. This guy is correct and lean forward. Tri and chest form is slightly different.
Tris= knees below hips and elbows tucked.
Chest= knees behind hips and elbows flared to about 45 degrees.
Completely correct
What about scapular placement? I find it important for me comfort to have the shoulder back, behind the chest
@@jakkritphanomchit that's correct either way.😁😁😁😁
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I love how people think that if you lean forward a bit then suddenly you're using absolutely no muscles other than your chest
It targets the chest more and it’s easier on the rotator cuff
He didn’t say 0 triceps 100 chest, he just said more chest
Dipping too far down will put strain on your shoulders too. A good 90° control dip is good enough for efficient muscle growth
@@Vic3nte69 no, other exercises do better without compromising one of your most functional parts.
@@Vic3nte69 a good 90° is all you need. Go any lower and you risk your shoulders, for what?
@@kayshaun3871 for gains
Glad I saw this comment! I’m looking at the video, being totally surprised that he hasn’t permanently damaged something from dipping so low.
Hmmm, sounds like the same advice given before kneesovertoes guy existed. In fact, look up an ATG Dip...and you'll be even more horrified.
I've actually tried doing them upright before and realized that anyone who does them that way is crazy.
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@@mittensmcfluffer3482 thanks I'll try using that one day
@@mittensmcfluffer3482 Wtf... why would we want whatever went wrong with what you went through with. There I did it.
Dips are one of the best exercises for all 3 sections of the tricep 🤷🏼♂️✌🏼
If I focus on triceps will it also work the chest? And vice versa?
@@cimjr.2511Yes, but they are less involved.
Thank you for this video! I tried to do dips completely vertical and i felt very uncomfortable stress on my shoulders and I thought it was just a feeling. Thank you for addressing this!
I stayed away from tricep dips due to shoulder pain I’ll give these a try when I go to the gym today thanks for the info
You are awesome Max! Thank you!
0:18 that's exactly the same. I get what you're saying
The dips itself is a large sea, where you can touch too many muscles just by transitioning between the forms, and for the record; there's no such thing as DONT DO THIS DIP or DO THIS DIP, it's all about **what do you want** essentially. Good luck
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Inclining your forearms are kinda risky tho, i wouldn't advice to do them that way (like impossible dips) because if you want to hit triceps, the dip alone do it plenty.
@PureCherryJuice sure bro, hefestos too... High risk to reward, never intended to actually use them for the specific training, but just for the sake of getting the move. Having a brain is amazing.
In my opinion do dips in way which you feels better and more comfortable according to your shoulder mobility but hit at least parallel( u can go below parallel if u hv good mobility )and be concerned on increasing volume applying progressive overload.....🤷🏻♂️
Dips as a whole is a compound lift it still targets chest tricep as well as the front delts
So as long as u increase progressive overload u will see chest tricep gains no matter u do by leaning forward or by upright position
Instead of Doing dips at a slight angle I just like to sit on my couch and watch ink masters with a bag of Cheetos
Sure that sounds like a good idea until the person you are attracted to is accessing your sexual market value. Or until your health begins to decline? Don't be complacent with your health.
@@dl6252 he was joking 😭
@@dl6252 whoa, your comment sounded like its coming from experience tbh, you okay bud?
Its too bad inflection doesn't come across on the RUclips chats lol. I meant you should stay satisfied and never tell yourself no. And always expect the cream of the crop. 😋 ☘
@@dl6252 the fuck?😂
I did my first real dip today, after using the assistance machine for many months.
Assisted pull up machine?
@@Deathmare235 Assisted dip machine.
thank you
Lean forward. You were right the first time. Also, keep your elbows in tight unless you want to involve your pecs.
This is literally the exact 100% same thing that exists for squats where you have to balance leaning forward and being upright for anterior/posterior leg development and similarly, being completely upright is a fantasy and/or destroys your knees
This is the only video you must see for any confusion related to Dips for chest vs triceps 👍.
A lot of calisthenic people do dips with their legs in front of them, which causes your body to be upright. There is no problem doing them like this if you have the mobility and strength. I think the lean shoulder tax only applies if you are adding weight.
Good explanation
Thanks dude I agree, as a dude who's dealt with a ac joint strain. It's not worth the injury risk
Triceps are always engaged with dips, do not overthink..
doing dips at different angles just targets different pectoral muscles, going to low with dips is what causes shoulder problems. i know this because i dislocated an AC joint by going to low
Without being strong in that range of motion and engaging ur muscle
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Dips almost always hurt my elbows no matter what after years of laying brick
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Yup.. he’s right .. gravity causes the joints to lock out.. he’s absolutely fantastic
Is this bar available online
Thanks for the free knowledge man you are good .. well appreciated
guys just do it stop overthinking the littlest things
Ay I got the same dip stands!
Great video
faaaccccttsss, also puts a lot of stress on ur elbows and can cause further damage in the long term
Where did you find that dip machine bro been looking for one that is stable
Decathlon makes stable dips bars like the ones shown in this video. They sell height adjustable bars and non adjustable bars. I bought the non adjustable ones and its been 1 year and they are really stable. Just dont hit it anywhere like on a chair or bed while moving it. Hope this helps
This is on Amazon search dip bars I think it’s the pro source one
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 thank you
Agree. Im a firm believer that if it feels very uncomfortable, stop doing it that way. Upright dips feel majorly uncomfortable.
You look damn good keep doing what you’re doing 💪
Lets go brotha you got this keep up the good work💪🏾
I did 120 dips in a single session once. Could've done more but I ran out of Doritos.
He is completely true I have tried that vertical upright and it really gives stress, though I still cant do so many dips.
I still remember my first attempt of doing dips, i felt like my chest was splitting in two
Lol get out of the gym boii
I do 400 a day it feels amazing
@@xCaRnRAGEx why?!! Learn and move on
It was the same for me but once my bench got stronger i could do dips without pain
I mean… you indeed have two sets of chest muscles
This reminds me of a prank my dad pulled on one of my friends, telling him to lift both legs on a standing hamstring machine. He actually tried and we cracked up so hard! 🤣🤣🤣
He is right, it's kinda hard for me to lean forward and maintain position so I kinda don't care about position, and doing it to upright puts too much stress on the shoulder, and my left shoulder makes clicking sound until now.
Ohhh that’s why I haven’t been able to reach over my head for the past week. Thanks 👍🏾
What do you study? Your advice seems pretty well reasoned and consistent. 👌
?? Hää In reality, he didnt say anything.....
You cant dip completly straight , that is humanly impossible. So all he said was...Dip, but try not to lean forward. Crazy advice..Must be studying PT
@@korcidiamond3623 Well I commented in this video after watching the rest... I was referring to his advice in general.
Btw, he just dipped quite straight in the video xD
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@@aura_daddy well it's still a feat to discern facts from all the crap there
@ "discern facts from all the crap there" ... He talks about "dips causing too much stress on the shoulders" when you are very upright.
That is complete crap. You can even see it in all athletes that incoperate dips. They go full range of motion.
Everything you do causes STRESS. That is what you actually want. Use the movement that your body allows you to do. And through this stress, the body adapts. Making it stronger in those stress situations. If you would be able to perform a bicep curl with 100 kg (without ever going in the gym in the first place) your biceps would tear. So is the biceps curl a bad exercise? No. You arent paying respect to the progression.
What is bad if you never did full range of motion dips in the first place and dont respect the progression and just jump straight into it. That will injure you, but not the exercise itself. Having a higher range of motion EVEN in the DIP, to be honest...ANYWHERE where a joint is moving, is WAY BETTER for the joint and overall muscles. Joints nutrition by getting moved. So why should you limit your shoulder joint.
No hate on the guy. Hate the game not the players.....But people who still think there are "bad exercises" out there are just not educated.
And to not confuse you. To a beginner, there are bad exercises.
For someone who knows what he is doing, there is not ONE single exercises that is bad. From natures standpoint....It just wouldnt make sense to give us the ability to harm ourself by giving us movements we are able to do and in reality they harm us. Makes no sense.
Intensity causes injury, not the movement itself.
To keep upright keep your legs forward slightly, simple really. No stress on your shoulders
Wow this was so helpful I didn’t know why it hurt me a little doing dips
Doing it the correct way (torso tilted) hits both triceps and chest. No need to blow your shoulders out by putting you body in a mechanically disadvantaged position. People forget that any pressing exercise is going to hit the triceps, specifically the lateral
head. With the dips, you hit all 3. If you want to progressively overload, then I suggest that you invest into a dipping belt
I think the only way to get injured or pain doing dips is if you go too low. I also think that training the bigger muscles is better in compund exercises. Your arms will still grow and then you can add some biceps and teiceps with dumbells. But I know there is the people that don't want to use any other resource, so if you want to exercise the triceps and not have risk of injury you can do push ups with one arm extended and the other with the elbow stuck to the body. That way you train almost one arm (double the weight, almost) and train mostly triceps
I agree completely
Absolutely correct
Just bulletproof your shoulders 🥰💪🏽
They told you wrong essentially look forward to target more triceps and look down to target more chest. Your body corrects for where you are looking. Your arms should always be at a 90 degree angle when at the bottom regardless of what variation you do
In the eyes of a calisthenics guy, the leaning forward dips are great to work on that protection essential for skills like the planche
If youre on your 4th set crying from pain I doubt you'll be bothered by a 5 degree angle difference
When using a dip assist machine, should you maintain a leaning position? I noticed leaning causes your knees to slip off the machine.
I get what you’re saying . You can get a similar workout using the tricep press machine , sit towards the front of the seat and give your back a good arch and you’ll get your chest shoulders and triceps nicely . I like doing low weight high reaps and overloading
Dip if your triceps are burning not when your shoulders are hurting. Before engaging on that workout, make sure you flex and stretch it so that you can feel it when you are pressing on dips then go proceed on the workout
Dips are done however your body feels like
I actually do the upright version to put more emphasis on my triceps and been doing it for more than year with 45 lb plates for reps and it feels great! Never had any shoulder problems.
So it really depends on the person…
Dip with feet in front for triceps to maintain upright position and only to the point that your shoulders are comfortable, dip with feet behind knees bent to encourage a lean foward for focus on the chest and only lower to the point your comfortable.
0:18 theyre literally the exact same LMAO
Dips make studs 💪😎
What is the name of this bar
What is your height?
Where did you buy this dips ? Name of this item please
I couldn't agree more
Upright chest does place undue stress on the shoulders, rounded shoulders in the bottom position of foward leaning dips will however
Best explainerr
You can isolate the two by head position alone. Head down for chest, head up for triceps.
to place more emphasis on chest you can also hold your bend legs at 90 degrees to the torso thus tilting your torso even more
Ever heard of the impossible dip?
Okay, broccoli boy!
Or you can just do dips the regular way, all the muscles are still being targeted. If you want more triceps activation just do isolate tricep exercises.
Or do dips slower and incorporate more push ups
Not disputing what you are saying just adding onto what you have said
When i do the leaning forward thingy, my shoulders hurt 😩 am i supposed to feel that strain when leaning forward?
If you bend your knees, you can get a involuntary tilt
Love it !
Can you do lower back? please!
Hip thrusts and weighted hip thrusts do wonders for the lower back I suffer from lower back pain and hip thrusts have given me my mobility back
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My first time doing dips between two countertops, I only did half a rep, and I thought I was having heart palpitations, but it was really my pec spasming like a maniac. The tricep burn two days after was crazy. Just do them however feels most comfortable.
Do skull crushers for triceps. Shits brutallll
Straight bar dip people: Just dips. That's it.
DONT TAKE WEIGHT LIFTING TIPS FROM GUYS UNDER 160LBS🤔
Do one for stretching
If you wanna do triceps do a close grip. It's essentially like benching. And he's wrong, the more upright you are the more chest you engage. The more forward you are the more triceps you engage
What’s the workout routine??
I can't even do them upright even if i wanted to 😂😂
You get enough tricep activation from performing flat bench, incline bench, chest flys, reverse shoulders and dedicated tricep workouts. I would mainly focus on lower chest for this movement
Those are all chest exercises not tricep exercises dips build the triceps better then chest exercises with weights as your body IS the weight
First your shoulder point is very good, but I’m thinking about your elbows, I’ve had a fair share of tendinitis and I can tell that form isn’t going to do your elbows any good. Besides it isn’t at all comfortable to be doing dips straight up.
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Make video about your home gym equipments please
doing them straight does hit triceps more just do them at 90 degrees dont go lower and your shoulders will be fine
Exactly he is going way to low I mean thats fine and all but you really need to build up to going lower
Less angle or more angle, just do your dips. It builds strength whatsoever.
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Dips blow out my shoulders and it's difficult to lean forward if heavy like me 😂
I like to hold the top position and do a left lift, followed by tilting forward again on the way back down. Makes it hard but I just like doing it that way. Essentially I Do it just like you advise, but I lock out at the top and do a leg lift.
Dips will always work your triceps, along with your lower chest. There's no way around it.
Depends how far forward you tilt, I did t feel a chest pump until I started leaning forward
@@sencrew5293 completely false lol your chest is used and activated in just holding yourself up the chest is connected to the humerus bone or upper arm bone
Me who can't do dips: interesting 👁️👄👁️
There is risk in any workout and movement. Don’t do it if you worry about injury.
i think it's best to just not even try and isolate a muscle in a compound movement... i mean no matter how you do dips your shoulders triceps and chest will all be used. there are way better tricep isolation movements
Pretty sure that’s why people do it cause it’s an upper body workout lmao. I do dips in my upper body days.