@Prabh Sandhu Every death in gow 3 has consequenxes , hades death frees every soul , poseidons death makes the tide crazy , helios death , heras death makes plants die or something like that and hermes death did something i dont remember
@@Eldani-xr1rf you forgot the most important one, the one that made that entire realm chaotic beyond measure. The death of Zeus turned all elements volatile
One fun fact about Atreus being Loki, they went further with this and put some names in norse letters showing that Faye was actually Laufey and the giants gave Kratos the name Fárbauti, which in the original Norse myths are Loki's parents. Since not much is known about Fárbauti, they were able to write Kratos as him without any issue.
That’s one of the things that makes these games so good. It’s the air of mystery of what’s to come that keeps us hooked. I can very easily look past all their weak points (the biggest one being how repetitive and boring some of the bosses are) and just wait for a cinematic scene that lasts over 5 minutes easily that adds a ton to the story. There’s not a single hour of gameplay that doesn’t have some sort of plot development and for a game that was continued years on from the original story line it did a fantastic job (my game of 2018 easily, 10/10) now when GoW:Ragnarok comes out they’ll definitely fix the problems and make the high points even higher
@@Spoopy_man we got Tyr and he looks creepier than I thought, and now seeing that it is a duology… I dont think we’ll even get a glimpse of what Faye was like, I think they’ll keep her as this ever-elusive figure that is to be represented by each one’s mind
Ye, a lot of Atreus' anger comes from frustration that he has to follow Kratos' rules. So when he finds out that he is one of the beings in legends that seemingly have no rules? Of course the kid is going to have a power trip.
@Becker Elaywan ehh, from experience. Drinking a glass of wine at age 14 doesn't make you drunk. But again, this is a game and games tend to like making their characters drunk as soon as they touch a bottle.
@@DissedRedEngie I know this is anecdote but a single (full) glass of wine could easily put alot of non drinkers into a fairly inebriated state, especially a child.
Um, no, shift is because even though Kratos tries, he doesn't convey his message well, saying "we are not men, we're gods and have far greater responsibility" is basically asking for Atreus to develop "Screw everyone else, we're better." Mentality.
Nah, the thing with raising children is it’s always better to be honest, that’s how you mold them from a young age, the shift was due to Kratos withholding the information for too long. If he would’ve raised his son as a god he would’ve had a much easier time teaching him how to be responsible and use his powers wisely, and Atreus good nature would’ve helped that along as well, but by waiting too long and dumping it on him all at once, it caused a huge shift in Atreus whole worldview in one moment, something like that can change you for the worse
44:11 the way that I interpreted Baldur saying “Snow” is him feeling the cold snow falling on his body after so long, and bringing him comfort as he dies doing something he has wanted to do for one hundred years: feel something.
@@ghostlyexe yeah it’s clearly meant as a double meaning. A man who can’t feel anything finally feels snow as he dies , while remembering that it’s the beginning of the end
@@heinrichzemo4061 but as the story Mimir that talks of Thamur's son building Asgard's walls with a Magic horse, which is the origin of Sleipnir, Odin's horse, in the original story Loki stopped him from finishing the walls in time by transforming himself into a female horse to distract the giant's horse from his work but instead seducing him, and by consequence giving birth, don't ask how, to Sleipnir; but as God of War Loki wasn't there then everything where Loki took papers was changed, except Loki "using" an arrow with mistletoe instead of an arrow MADE of mistletoe to kill Baldur and there's a probability that Sleipnir doesn't exist in this world but as in Final Fantasy when Odin is summoned it does always with Sleipnir so it's most likely that no, for example, the Giant instead of asking audience with Freya, wanted to marry her in order to eliminate Loki from the equation until Ragnarok where he is, in essence, the main agent Or the giant who stole Thor's hammer instead of the actual Freya and Thor it was Thor disguised AS Freya and Loki also dressed as a woman who went to retrieve it Other main change was Loki as the true responsible for Mjolnir and Gungnir, Odin's spear, creation as a product of a competition hecaused between the two best Dawrf smithies, Sindri and Brok I think they were.
@@srlopez875 It would be cool if they implemented time travel to explain how Loki was always part of the story, but was born in the future. I still want to be able to have Tyr survive and come with Kratos and Loki to explore the other realms say Shinto, Taoist, Hindu, or any other Pantheon.
A moment I appreciate: When Kratos sees Zeus, he sounds freaking TERRIFIED. Not even of Zeus, but of what that means, the memories of the past, who he was. There are many moments I love, but this is one I was thinking of
Kind of wish they did something with it in Ragnaroks Helheim, what we did get is still awesome but it would’ve been really neat if we had Cloud Zeus make a comeback
Kratos not speaking in contractions might also be because he's speaking a second language. We hear it as English, but he's speaking Nordic in this game while his first tongue is Greek. He learned the formal ways of speaking and memorized the rules, but he isn't native and so casual speech and idioms aren't as comfortable for him.
The moment that stood out the most for me is when Kratos looks up at Freya and asks "will you help him?" He looks so vulnerable for the first time. It literally made me feel something about Kratos that I've never felt before.
I mean, it's interesting I suppose. But the God of War interpretation of the norse gods is their own, so what Loki is in this universe could be whatever. I guess, not as shocking or surprising as it should have been, for me.
In regards to Atreus not asking about Kratos' past, I think he was respecting his father's privacy. Atreus is smart and sharp that there are some things Kratos is not comfortable talking about, so, he lies and says that he didn't see anything. I think it's a sweet gesture coming from him. And eventually, Kratos did open up once he was comfortable about his past. Edit: I was watching the final fight scene of Kratos, Atreus, and Baldur and noticed that when Atreus was calling out to Jorm, his eyes were glowing. A cool little detail I caught!
38:59 I always read this as Atreus finally realising why Kratos doesn't talk about his past. I just thought of it as Atreus respecting his father and sparing him what he could tell was the guilt of things he'd done.
No thousand wins for "Our son is not ready...And neither am I. I do not know how to do this without you."? That line brought me to absolute tears, coming from Kratos.
The words from the song that the choir sing when Kratos remove the Blades of Chaos from covering. Exiled God, Father's shame, Mother's love, Wounds remain, Confront the past. This detail alone is why I LOVE this game SO MUCH.
What they are is true, The Cameraman never dies. I mean the amount of Near Death/Should Death scenarios those two (three if we include Mimir) have been in...
@@storageroom1472 saying sorry about nudging someone is one thing as an example as it means you did not mean to do it or ment anything by it. but saying sorry like Atreus did was more of a "sorry about that, please dont hurt me or yell at me" as he is a child and we all know how terrifying it is for us when a parent yells at you after you did something wrong. you feel trapped.
38:15 I love the detail that despite Helheim uses people’s past to torment them, Baldur doesn’t feel shame viewing his memories and, in fact, he cheers his past self on.
He does feel shame about it though, I’m assuming you didn’t ever finish watching what happened. He calls himself a coward and cries because he couldn’t kill Freya.
@@noncanalepricnipale The regret is *not killing her* . Just because he doesn't feel the emotion we think he should be feeling doesn't mean Helheim isn't doing its job. He's being punished, just not the way you think of.
43:11 I've never really seen someone else point it out, but when Atreus calls the the world serpent, you can see his iris change to a glowing white as he speaks the language. Personally I think it's to symbolize his godly ability of languages and I would assume we might see it again come Ragnarök.
2:13 Another hint for later, Loki was supposedly the inventor of the fishnet, and it was that net that trapped him. So "fishnet mind" could be a small hint towards that reveal too
here's a nice little bit of trivia: during the recording of the Blades of Chaos scene, Christopher Judge actually teared up. that's the sign of a good script right there, when your actors cry.
Judge said that he teared up because he thought of his own family and how much time he has to miss with them in order to do his job. He felt like a monster to his own kids, so a scene like that would definitely open up the waterworks.
I honestly love how fast Jormungandr (I think that's what his name is) is when he gets summoned by Atreus, because realistically, many giants would most likely be much faster than most other beasts, as they have huge amounts of muscle in their bodies.
Well realistically, a creature that size would be a bit slower, because since they are so big they deal with more wind resistance. Which is why in pop culture when we see giant things on screen, it almost looks like they are moving in slow motion. Watch Pacific Rim 1 for an example.
@@bignick2k215 understandable, but even then, a creature as big as Jormungandr would most likely be pretty fast in comparison to it's size. And all of that is due to much of it's size coming from length as opposed to height, as it's long enough to wrap around the entire planet in Norse Mythology.
Just a detail I noticed: when BOI calls Jormungandr at the end of the game his eyes glow because he is using his godly powers. And this explains why he is suddenly able to speak jotnar as he just found out that he is a god and is still trying to know his powers.
Surprised you didn't mention when Kratos and Baldur fight on top of the Dragon, and Kratos yells "STAY AWAY FROM MY SON!" Being the ACTUAL first time he refers to him as his son, albeit not to him directly. And also when Baldur says "Snow" right before dying, I'm pretty sure it refers more towards him acknowledging the FEELING of snow on his cheek, rather than Ragnarok.
@@GamingWins dont think you understand that what fey saw, was far into the future. many games and shows have different interpretations on what prophesies and seeing the future would seem like. fey saw it all, and wanted it for it is the end of the aesir. a part of me wonders on her love for kratos, but she knew she would meet him and have a child with him.
I like what you said about how Kratos learns from his son. How it makes him better. It made me realize the failing of Freya. She doesn't. She never treated Baldur like an adult, she never apologized for cursing him without consent. And at the end she never apologized, believing she was right.
@@bewater2974 it's a hollow apology. She still acts as if she's right and only apologizes to hopefully get her sun back, not because she felt bad. I've been on the receiving end of these many times and given more than I can count
@@ZayToDiffrent Kratos did ask for it in the previous gow games.He literally asked Hades for aide when he went up against a force 1000 times bigger than his own.Then he kept getting used by many gods,like Athena,Ares,Hera and Zeus.He paid the price for his godhood with the lives of his wife and daughter then he went for revenge.
I LOVE the fact they say your boy was Loki at the very end. It’s a trick that would have made the mythological Loki proud I mean in a game about Norse mythology you’d expect all the stapes: Odin, Thor, Loki. etc. but though out the whole game Loki isn’t shown or mentioned with just small hints only for you to learn the god of mischief was RIGHT THERE the whole time just brilliant
The "Straighter than Heimdall" line is emphasize how perfect his aim is ,in my culture we say something flew straight but mean it hit the target without fail.
Interesting note. Loki being kratos' son in this canon is pretty cool because if you look into the lore of loki, people cant really decide where or when any of his story is from, where HE is from, etc. Point being, him being Kratos' son considering the story of loki makes alot of sense considering kratos isn't from this pantheons story.
Bro this dude has put out 17 roughly hour long video game reviews in less than a year the time and dedication that must have taken, sir you have earned my respect and my loyal following keep up the excellent work my guy.
@@GamingWins Of course my guy, nobody really does vids like yours anymore and I'm glad someone is video games aren't just entertainment they are like the ultimate expression of art and you pick out the tiny details wonderfully so, hell I've played the old god of war and the new so many times and theres some things even I didn't notice I can tell ya put a lot of effort and care into your videos and i just appreciate the hell outta that.
Sindri: “You gonna temper that steel longer?” Brok: “Don’t need to I triple quenched it in draugr oil.” Sindri: “How clever, and sanitary.” I’m sorry but there is no chance in hell ‘draugr oil’ is sanitary.
Something I find interesting about the Leviathan Axe is that it can be used by anyone but it doesn't mean anyone using it can recall it like Kratos can. In a novelization of the game (or somewhere else) Atreus tells Kratos something along the lines of "I wish you told me only you can recall the Axe."
41:34 I have to side with Baldur in this instance. Freya took away his ability to taste food, enjoy a drink or two, experience carnal pleasure, and to physically feel anything for 100 years or so. I think anyone would be furious at the person who cursed you to that hell mentioning those particular words to you, they are also justifying their cruel actions, and they are lying to you by saying that their torment can't ever be reversed. She drove her son crazy, and refused to take responsibility for that.
@@sadsuperman9996 He already would've aged really slowly like any god (basically live forever), this was mostly to fear of him being killed and starting Ragnarok.
@@francargeric1 no it wasnt lmfao he was spelled because freya didnt want him to get hurt any god can be hurt and lose a arm or somthing but coz of freyas spell he couldnt feel so he woulnt have to bare that and not onky that gods can be killed and i think ur forgetting that so while he could live long he would die at some point so to prevent that fraya put the spell on him so he mnever dies
Something that a lot of people miss in this game is that Baldur isn't entirely a callback to Greek arc Kratos. He's only half. Yes, Baldur is blinded by vengeance, but he lacks the selfishness that Kratos had. Freya has KRatos' selfishness. She even admits that her measures taken to protect Baldur were hurting him, and explicitly refuses to undo them because those protections were for HER benefit, not his. Freya is every bit as selfish as Kratos used to be, and his recognition and rejection of this selfishness is just as important as his rejection of Baldur's vengeance.
"Who knew kratos had some wrestling skill?" Anyone who knows anything about the spartans from real life would have known this. He came from a society of warriors, raised as fighters from youth, of course my man kratos knows how to grapple
In the Olympics there was the sport pankration which was basically MMA without rules. That included wrestling. Lol plus like you said as a warrior he would know some grappling
Also the Spartans where actually very intelligent when it came to strategy wich people seem to forget I mean, look at the battle of phemopoly Or the phalanx I belive was spartan
Atreus’s eyes glow when he speaks to The World Serpent, showing off how his divinity accelerates his lingual skills, helping him learn how to speak to Jorm when he needs to even after only hearing him and Mimir speak the tongue a handful of times.
26:12 Interesting thing here. Acording to Ragnarok stories, Magni and Modi are among the few gods who survive. So if Odin let them know that, I suppose that they would go into battle without fear of death, which is why it Modi is so shocked beyond the simple "my brother just died" explanation.
@@suitedpanda3108 maybe because he defeated the sisters of fate ??? Also kratos isn't meant to be in the Nordic pantheon So, he could very well change the fate
@@fuuuuuuuuuckyouprerna Ye fate doesn't exist anymore so all the Prophecies aren't set in stone. Even the one carved into stone at the end of the Game.
one thing I haven't seen much people mention is at 43:59 just before Kratos kills Baldur he says "the cycle ends here" which is the exact thing that his father Zeus says to him just before "killing" him in one of the god of war games
It is stunning , and not only that but the experience drastically changes when played for second time , like baldur ans his knowledge about kratos , or yhe mistletoe on atreus arrows that was so utterly important for the end of the story line it is amazing , else the fact that mimir tells how odin syole freyas fighting spirit and a lot more man i like this game
2:10 also for the fishnet tattoo, ( at least according to Neil Gaiman's "Norse Mythology") Loki was the first person to invent the fishnet. The attention to detail in this game is ridiculous.
Another win at the start: Atreus's neck tattoo meaning "Fishnet mind" is actually a foreshadowing because Loki is responsible for inventing fishing net in norse mythology.
What I love about the dragon scene is that kratos could have handled the finisher alone by throwing the axe, but decided to let his son help to make him feel included.
One of my favorite things about this game is all the little glances and nods the characters do. When Freya asks Atreus to get herbs from her garden, he looks to Kratos for permission, and only leaves once he nods yes. Then, when Freya is about to put the protective rune on his neck, Kratos glances down to Atreus, reminding himself why he’s doing this.
I think what makes Atreus's "Really!?" line at around 25:40 was the slight voice crack, like it was such a shock that his young child voice couldn't catch up
My favorite part of this game is the storm when Atreus is yelling at Sindri. Kratus knew what the storm meant but the game never talks about it. The player looking at the storm and hearing it gives them the uneasy feeling. When I saw it it took me a second but then I realized, "Oh shit thats Thor beating his son isnt it... OH SHIT!"
37:23 Kratos actually intentionally broke the bridge, so that Baulder doesn't find out about that way to jotunheim, i'd say that was such a smart move from Kratos
they're just now coming out with a comic series that is set to bridge the gap between the end of Greece and the start of this game. maybe we'll finally see what Faye looks like... but knowing them, it'll probably be a silhouette.
At 13:24 another win could’ve been when the prompt “Eitr imbued” appeared as Kratos picked up the axe after the serpent spit it out, foreshadowing the axe’s potential role in killing Thor during ragnarok, as the Eitr poison is consistent with what killed him in the traditional mythology
You also missed the part where Atreus says I’ve never been inside a giants belly. He didn’t know his mother was a giant so he technically had been inside a giants belly when she was pregnant with him
I feel like you're missing out on how devastating, psychologically scarring Baldurs life - directly because of his mother was. Arguably even worse than what the gods did to Kratos. He essentially lived in a form of solitary confinement for thousands upon thousands of years. Feeling nothing of the outside world. Not the touch the touch of a woman, the thrill of doing something dangerous, nothing. In his mind forever. No way out of being cursed eternally. You can't just expect that dude to snap out of that by giving him a cool line ala "the road of revenge leads to nowhere" even if its Christopher Judges amazing voice. :D
That's why the final scene was so sad, while you could say it's him detecting the coming of Ragnarok, I think it's just him feeling snow for the first time in his life and that's the reason he's still smiling
Fun fact: in a convo with brok and Sindri you can hear them say that the reason the leviathan axe was made was to compete with Thor’s hammer if he ever did invade the jotnars
One of my favorite aspects of the writing in this game is how they grab onto previous lines and improve upon them as the relationship between Kratos and Atreus develops. In the beginning Atreus misses the deer with his bow and apologizes, and Kratos says “don’t be sorry. Be better”. At the end of the game Kratos says “we have to be better” when killing Baldur and talking to his son
41:50 I liked this part because it was like Kratos saw himself in him and he decided to give him another chance. He knew all the hatred and need for revenge he felt because he also felt those things, and instead of immediately attacking again he decided to try one last time to reason with him.
Fun fact: Troy Baker and Alastair Duncan were stated to be really great friends off set and on set. Mainly because Baker and Duncan void Talion and Celebrimbor in Shadow of War. They're considered to be extremely good friends.
29:40 I remember watching the documentary "Raising Kratos" where Christopher Judge talked about how the Kratos parable felt so close to his situation, being a distant and absent father because of his work, and when they showed the mocap of this scene, where he shed a sincere tear while delivering the line "I know" That hit me very hard in the feelings For reference, that's the scene ruclips.net/video/lJZWKBDXXFY/видео.html
I came across this channel a couple days ago and this video popped up. Watched it all and I will admit I cried. This game came out in a very turbulent time with me and my father. Just as Atreus says, “I don’t know him and he doesn’t know me.” I spent 20 years like that. And looking back on it, GOW, while not everyone’s cup of tea, really resonated with me for the story aspects. My father and I grew distant after many years. It was a story I understood from a father and son standpoint. But my father loved watching me play video games growing up as it brought a smile to my face and watching him play games such as Crash Bandicoot or helping him by giving him further insight was something we bonded over. I remember my dad telling me a couple years ago about this game, “I’ve never seen you be so cheerful about a game. And coming into your room and seeing your smile, it brought me joy, even if it was for just a while.” This game was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful if only for a little while. I’ll never forget my time playing it. I would go through hell to hear that one more time.
What you mentioned about Kratos maybe being told to close his heart, while I do suppose that is true, either that or he learned not to grieve about the idea of people passing and Kratos is telling his son to do that.
I like to think Baldur got so mad at Freya after she said “I know how you feel” at around 41:25 because that’s the thing, he can’t feel any physical pain in anyway shape or form due to her being overprotective, it isn’t as much that he can’t feel emotion or his anger towards her
Late reply but yes, that is it exactly the point Baldur was making (that he can't physically feel anything, not just pain). It looks like GamingWins didn't pick up on that though.
To be SLIGHTLY fair....... she was selfish enough to do what she did to him so she doesn’t care (read: feel) for his opinions or sense of agency so........ she too was numb....... in a way.
Another thing that would have been great for a win counter is at the end of the game, when Atreus and Kratos are going ham on Baldur, the quicktime event is only used when Atreus is attacking, showing us that the story is moving onto Atreus and growing as a character. This also is confirmed when Kratos and Atreus are in Jotunheim and they see the Prophecy laid out by Faye, Atreus says "This is our story." And Kratos says "No. This is your story." It all really ties well
42:30: One thing worthy of note in the final battle which ties into Freya being unable to cause harm: In the stage when Kratos is in the pit with Baldur and Baldur is constantly joined by creatures Freya summons, many players may attack them just because they are there and it's a video game. The fact is, these creatures are incapable of doing the slightest damage to Kratos, and when one is on his back "attacking" him, *_Baldur's_*_ attacks can't harm Kratos, either._ However, when Kratos flips one of them off of his own back, it usually knocks Baldur down, giving Kratos a chance to sneak in an attack. The whole situation plays so completely against video game reflexes and expectations, and it does it so subtly that players can finish the fight and never know that they were squandering their greatest advantage. That deserves a win.
one of my favorite things about the 1st Helheim section is that Kratos actually looks remorcfully about k!lling the ogre. Mostly everything that he has had to attacked so far has been creatures that were evil or started the fight. But the ogre was just doing it's job, and Kratos felt bad about k!lling an innocent ogre that didn't pose a threat.
37:28 that was actually a smart move on Kratos's part. It destroyed the bridge which at the time did stop them but it also prevents the aesir gods from being able to get there
@@superfunk6234 honestly its like when thor killed Thamur and claimed the village Thamur destroyed when he died was planned You can say anything after the facts done and results shown (Of course till someone points out the facts showing the bs)
@@superfunk6234 at the worst for them at that time, they could only spread faye's ashes on the second highest peak but the aesir cant reach one of their biggest enemeies to genocide them
Bro, Troy baker playing Higgs in death stranding is actually orgasmic as far as voice acting goes. The line “ the partical of god that permeates all existence” always sent shivers down my spine, and he just looks good in general
Someone needs to say something about the opening scene here. That roar Kratos makes when making the final swing to cut down his now dead wife's tree, is just pristine, absolutely incredible.
@@rickyrackey7930 For some annoying reason i went back to his videos and god, i hate myself for doing so. Dude thinks he's a master gamer or some shit because he plays doom eternal.
I love that this game is both Kratos coming to grips with his past but also trying to change who he is as a person going forward. The biggest one I look at is his difference in how he's trying to raise Atreus to what happened with his daughter in the original trilogy. He had to grow so much just to be the father Atreus needed him to be, even if he needed the time to get there.
@George Argy that’s why it’s complicated! But you’re not wrong. I wonder if they’ll bring her back in a future game, showing that she grew up to be a badass or something.
pretty surprised you didn't notice that artreus wears part of kratos' old skirt as a belt. it's really noticeable with his blue armor. also, a moment i loved was when kratos placed his hand on the bridgekeeper's chest in respect; he didn't want to kill him, he just needed to save his son. another example of how much he's grown
I love the fact Kratos is reluctant with comforting Atreaus so much. Like patting him on the back and such. Remember he was raised a Spartan in the agoge and was bread for war. He's trying to raise Atreus almost the same but better.
Spoiler/Easter Egg: Loki is attributed in Norse mythology as being the inventor of the fishnet, so Artreus having a runic tattoo on his arm that reads that is even more subtle foreshadowing...
Fun little Easter egg, once the head and the world snake talk for the first time, head mentions that the snake recognized atreus even though they never met This is becuse atreus (Loki) is the father to the world snake
43:13 And as a subtle nod to Language being part of Atreus's godly power, you'll note his eyes light up with each word of the Giant's Tongue. A language that before this point, he has not been able to speak.
I thought I was the only one that noticed that! I think it’s a huge detail, especially because he didn’t study Jormungandr-ese, it just happened spontaneously. I think he’s doing the same in the Jotunheim mural, he will spontaneously create Jornungandr from Kratos dying body.
16:24 You know what I just realized? The light of Alfheim didn’t only show the Jotenhuim bridge, it also showed the flying ship in Helheim, Kratos climbing the mountain to Mimir(I don’t remember the name of the mountain), and the statue of Thor which holds Mimirs eye, and possibly other stuff that I didn’t notice
10:33 With subtitles on, Brok says “Look, you want I should upgrade her or not?” I still like the idea that Brok never completely shunned Sindri, though
I love the contrast when we first meet Baldur in terms of their tattoos. The dark blue on tan skin vs Kratos's pale skin and orange red tattoos really emphasize the fact that Kratos isn't from Midgard. The first time I played it all I knew was it was a sequel to the series. This scene made me realize that I didn't know where the game was set but we definitely weren't in Greece anymore. Also that scene when Kratos asks Mimir "what is that place?" and Mimir says "never go there." I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing the place in Ragnarok because it's not like we haven't been to another version of Hel right?
37:23 actually I think it shows that kratos IS smart, because knowing he couldn't win(he was really getting the shit beat outta him), destroyed the gate so Baldur and the other's couldn't go there and make things even worse.
The moment when Kratos broke the “only” way to Jotunheim was actually an amazing idea. Baldur is unkillable and Kratos knows that he wants to get to the giants. No matter what, if he didn’t break that “bridge” Asgard would’ve made their way into Jotunheim. Which I would like to think was Kratos being smart!
@@isdrakon9802 I’m not too sure what you mean, but I think you’re agreeing with me, right? But he’s definitely not dumb, he’s been living too long and was able to take down an entire pantheon.
11:35 I love this part you're so right about it! Also love how Kratos kneels to talk to Atreus putting himself at his level and communicating with like an adult, not just a parent
"Be better" is such a strong theme in this and the next games. I genuinely believe that these 2 games are the height of "games as art". The gameplay is wonderful by itself, but it serves to draw you in so well and feel in the story. Even in the cutscenes, you see the abilities, know what moves Kratos is doing. Then the story and acting just makes this game perfect.
30:18 I think the choice of enemy was even deeper than that. Prior to this you could only deal damage to those enemies with bare knuckle combat, and they were quite tough, but to the blades they are just fodder. It really shows the power of them
Or just the fact that the only other weapon kratos had besides his fists was an ice axe and those enemies are powered by ice and the blades are a flame based weapon
The fishnet mind rune is a reference to the original myth of Loki. After he killed Baldur, Loki ran and decided to hide as a fish, he thought of the best way to catch a fish, got the idea of a fishnet, burned it, then hid. Sadly the other gods saw the spot the fishnet burned into the floor. They copied the design and used it to capture Loki.
20:30 Heimdall is the norse god responsible for ferrying people around via the bifrost and world tree in the legends. He would need excellent aim, so that's probably what Sindri is referencing.
Or, straight is sometimes referred to as being moraly good. For example, you're on the straight and narrow" so I assumed it meant like honest, kind, etc.
The soundtrack in this game is one of my favourite parts about the game it just feels powerful, emotional, grand and well godly,seriously I don't remember listening to a game soundtrack that got me this emotional before and the orchestral aspects of the soundtrack make it feel that much more grand and powerful 👏
The developers clearly had a love for this game and took great care and love with not just the game but the franchise. It proofs that if you have alot love for this and willing to do something you, you can succeed!!!
"there are consequences to killing a god!!!"
"how would you know?!"
*pulls out helios' decapitated head*
@Prabh Sandhu Every death in gow 3 has consequenxes , hades death frees every soul , poseidons death makes the tide crazy , helios death , heras death makes plants die or something like that and hermes death did something i dont remember
@@Eldani-xr1rf Hermès death lead to a plague in Greece
@@Eldani-xr1rf you forgot the most important one, the one that made that entire realm chaotic beyond measure. The death of Zeus turned all elements volatile
@@TheRealVyke why? He was the god of speed, why did he bring about a plague?
@@larrypoppins6273 I don’t know he just did
Katros: "there are consequences to killing a god"
Atreus: "how would you know"
Kratos: "I can give you a list if you want"
If you kill the god of water water will appear
"Shall i list chronologically, or alphabetically?"
@@shwedda I say go Cronos first
@@shwedda go by size.
Yep, then killing Baldur proves his point even further and sets them down a path of destruction
One fun fact about Atreus being Loki, they went further with this and put some names in norse letters showing that Faye was actually Laufey and the giants gave Kratos the name Fárbauti, which in the original Norse myths are Loki's parents. Since not much is known about Fárbauti, they were able to write Kratos as him without any issue.
that's great
I love that Faye is directly referred to as laufey in ragnarok. Great comment 👍
thank you for this, fucking awesome
didn't know this, thank u, makes it more awesome really
Whoa, Never noticed that. Brilliant that they did that! 🤯
One of my favorite things is that two of the characters that have the most impact on the story are never seen in person: Faye and Tyr.
I find soooo crazy that we didnt even see them yet and we kinda love them, looking forward for them to actually show up in the next ones
That’s one of the things that makes these games so good. It’s the air of mystery of what’s to come that keeps us hooked. I can very easily look past all their weak points (the biggest one being how repetitive and boring some of the bosses are) and just wait for a cinematic scene that lasts over 5 minutes easily that adds a ton to the story. There’s not a single hour of gameplay that doesn’t have some sort of plot development and for a game that was continued years on from the original story line it did a fantastic job (my game of 2018 easily, 10/10) now when GoW:Ragnarok comes out they’ll definitely fix the problems and make the high points even higher
Well
@@Spoopy_man we got Tyr and he looks creepier than I thought, and now seeing that it is a duology… I dont think we’ll even get a glimpse of what Faye was like, I think they’ll keep her as this ever-elusive figure that is to be represented by each one’s mind
Well, be ready to take one of them out of the list
When Modi asks "How?" after Kratos kills Magni, it's because both brothers are destined to survive Ragnarök.
Wooah this is interesting
Just another way of showing kratos can defie fate
I did NOT know this
Wow really? That adds some fucking layers to Modi shitting himself
Remember Kratos killed the Sisters of Fate so anything can happen now
Atreus’s line about “ never being in a giant’s belly” is pretty ironic since Fey was a giantess
*Faye
oh my god i misunderstood this at first
Faye
@@jollama or he forgor the "Lau" for Laufey
But she didn't want to eat hi- oh...
Atreus' shift isn't out of nowhere, it's showing that Kratos was partly right to keep it a secret. The power went to his head.
Ye, a lot of Atreus' anger comes from frustration that he has to follow Kratos' rules. So when he finds out that he is one of the beings in legends that seemingly have no rules? Of course the kid is going to have a power trip.
@Becker Elaywan ehh, from experience. Drinking a glass of wine at age 14 doesn't make you drunk. But again, this is a game and games tend to like making their characters drunk as soon as they touch a bottle.
@@DissedRedEngie I know this is anecdote but a single (full) glass of wine could easily put alot of non drinkers into a fairly inebriated state, especially a child.
Um, no, shift is because even though Kratos tries, he doesn't convey his message well, saying "we are not men, we're gods and have far greater responsibility" is basically asking for Atreus to develop "Screw everyone else, we're better." Mentality.
Nah, the thing with raising children is it’s always better to be honest, that’s how you mold them from a young age, the shift was due to Kratos withholding the information for too long. If he would’ve raised his son as a god he would’ve had a much easier time teaching him how to be responsible and use his powers wisely, and Atreus good nature would’ve helped that along as well, but by waiting too long and dumping it on him all at once, it caused a huge shift in Atreus whole worldview in one moment, something like that can change you for the worse
Kratos: "there are consequences to killing a god"
Atreus: "how would you know?"
K: "you heard of Greece?"
A: "umm, no?"
K: "there we have it"
Do you remember the guys username who made this?
“You heard of Greek Gods”
“No”
“You’re welcome”
God loves you, please turn to God and not sin!!
@@skither4305 Sinned with your mother last night
@@skither4305 if you’re talking about Greek mythology then stop the cap
44:11 the way that I interpreted Baldur saying “Snow” is him feeling the cold snow falling on his body after so long, and bringing him comfort as he dies doing something he has wanted to do for one hundred years: feel something.
This is a great interpretation and honestly makes a lot of sense
And probably he knew that this is the first sign of Ragnarok.
I think it was a mix of both
@@ghostlyexe yeah it’s clearly meant as a double meaning. A man who can’t feel anything finally feels snow as he dies , while remembering that it’s the beginning of the end
Poor Baldur... Only wanted to Build a Snowman!
I swear, asshole Atreus was simultaneously one of the most frustrating and entertaining sections of the game.
Bully atreus the best antagonist in the game
@@manindya6326 Yep, as a 21 year old that kid scared me.
Whatever
Yup. He would make me so mad one second then have me lmao the next. I’m not mad about the choice the devs made😂
Whatever
(32:05) Atreus' question about turning into an animal seems silly until you realize that he is Loki and that is one of his powers
Just wait until Atreus gives birth to Odin's horse
Yeah... Like turning into a female horse for... Reasons...
@@heinrichzemo4061 but as the story Mimir that talks of Thamur's son building Asgard's walls with a Magic horse, which is the origin of Sleipnir, Odin's horse, in the original story Loki stopped him from finishing the walls in time by transforming himself into a female horse to distract the giant's horse from his work but instead seducing him, and by consequence giving birth, don't ask how, to Sleipnir; but as God of War Loki wasn't there then everything where Loki took papers was changed, except Loki "using" an arrow with mistletoe instead of an arrow MADE of mistletoe to kill Baldur and there's a probability that Sleipnir doesn't exist in this world but as in Final Fantasy when Odin is summoned it does always with Sleipnir so it's most likely that no, for example, the Giant instead of asking audience with Freya, wanted to marry her in order to eliminate Loki from the equation until Ragnarok where he is, in essence, the main agent
Or the giant who stole Thor's hammer instead of the actual Freya and Thor it was Thor disguised AS Freya and Loki also dressed as a woman who went to retrieve it
Other main change was Loki as the true responsible for Mjolnir and Gungnir, Odin's spear, creation as a product of a competition hecaused between the two best Dawrf smithies, Sindri and Brok I think they were.
@@srlopez875 I am aware
@@srlopez875 It would be cool if they implemented time travel to explain how Loki was always part of the story, but was born in the future. I still want to be able to have Tyr survive and come with Kratos and Loki to explore the other realms say Shinto, Taoist, Hindu, or any other Pantheon.
A moment I appreciate: When Kratos sees Zeus, he sounds freaking TERRIFIED. Not even of Zeus, but of what that means, the memories of the past, who he was.
There are many moments I love, but this is one I was thinking of
Kratos doesn't have any physical fear, only fear of his past and all that stuff
⁰
Kind of wish they did something with it in Ragnaroks Helheim, what we did get is still awesome but it would’ve been really neat if we had Cloud Zeus make a comeback
Kratos not speaking in contractions might also be because he's speaking a second language. We hear it as English, but he's speaking Nordic in this game while his first tongue is Greek. He learned the formal ways of speaking and memorized the rules, but he isn't native and so casual speech and idioms aren't as comfortable for him.
You get a win for even thinking that deep
Ding
would give you a steam award for that you thinker
Absolutely. Also wondered what Mimir thought when Kratos speaks to himself about Athena in Greek. Perhaps he knows Greek himself
That makes a lot of sense. You get the legendary 10 wins!
I always thought it was cool how Laufey (a.k.a. Faye) is married to Farbauti which mean "dangerous hitter". That's the perfect way to describe Kratos
That was his name on the wall in Jotunheim
Just ask Zeus
Almost like it was planned or sth
@@its_Criminal1 Oh, wait
Faye,Laufey,Lefay(Brit name i know) ...i be fond with this name afterwards.
The moment that stood out the most for me is when Kratos looks up at Freya and asks "will you help him?" He looks so vulnerable for the first time. It literally made me feel something about Kratos that I've never felt before.
It's a lot like Superman, in a way. If you want to really dig into the character, give them a problem that can't be solved by punching.
Also the scene where Freya tells him to use the back od his hand
"The giants called me.....Loki?"
I love seeing people's reaction to that. So epic.
I lost my mind when that happened
@@jasethomas5198 what a beautiful twist! I think everyone went crazy.
@@kp1x if it makes you feel better no one owns the rights to any mythological characters so anyone can make movies or shows on them.
My friend spoiled that for me. I even pre-ordered the console and asked for week off of work. And he just spoiled it...
I mean, it's interesting I suppose. But the God of War interpretation of the norse gods is their own, so what Loki is in this universe could be whatever. I guess, not as shocking or surprising as it should have been, for me.
In regards to Atreus not asking about Kratos' past, I think he was respecting his father's privacy. Atreus is smart and sharp that there are some things Kratos is not comfortable talking about, so, he lies and says that he didn't see anything. I think it's a sweet gesture coming from him. And eventually, Kratos did open up once he was comfortable about his past.
Edit: I was watching the final fight scene of Kratos, Atreus, and Baldur and noticed that when Atreus was calling out to Jorm, his eyes were glowing. A cool little detail I caught!
subtle hint of the reveal that he's Loki?
@Kash Messiah | I'm not that creepy bro, you should respect your girlfriends privacy.
Time stamp for the privacy part and the gesture?
Sounds like you played all the games . Just curious what games I need to play before this one In order so I know what's going on
@@nashscheber2362 in terms of release or in terms of story ?
38:59 I always read this as Atreus finally realising why Kratos doesn't talk about his past. I just thought of it as Atreus respecting his father and sparing him what he could tell was the guilt of things he'd done.
I did as well
No thousand wins for "Our son is not ready...And neither am I. I do not know how to do this without you."? That line brought me to absolute tears, coming from Kratos.
Ikr. Sounds like a Pink Floyd line
Kratos has changed so much not for the better but for the best
Ikr and then it being followed by “I don’t know how to do this without you”
THE SNAKE IS FAYE GRANSON
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 bruh tf, how old is she
The words from the song that the choir sing when Kratos remove the Blades of Chaos from covering.
Exiled God,
Father's shame,
Mother's love,
Wounds remain,
Confront the past.
This detail alone is why I LOVE this game SO MUCH.
Exactly why Bear McCreary kicks ass!
Thank you for this!!!
Shout out to the cameraman for recording both Kratos and Atreus on their entire journey and not stopping for a moment ✊🏻😔
What a trooper
Absolute chad
What they are is true, The Cameraman never dies. I mean the amount of Near Death/Should Death scenarios those two (three if we include Mimir) have been in...
Being sorry means you are free to make the mistake again, but to be better will mean improvement.
or being sorry means that you recognize the mistake and won’t make it again? ☺️
GamingWins no, being sorry is just feeling guilty about something
being better is the more productive thing, to improve
but it is better to have both
@@storageroom1472 saying sorry about nudging someone is one thing as an example as it means you did not mean to do it or ment anything by it.
but saying sorry like Atreus did was more of a "sorry about that, please dont hurt me or yell at me" as he is a child and we all know how terrifying it is for us when a parent yells at you after you did something wrong. you feel trapped.
But being both is a sign of regret and willingness to improve.
38:15 I love the detail that despite Helheim uses people’s past to torment them, Baldur doesn’t feel shame viewing his memories and, in fact, he cheers his past self on.
He does feel shame about it though, I’m assuming you didn’t ever finish watching what happened. He calls himself a coward and cries because he couldn’t kill Freya.
@@Krosstic I know but what I mean is that a normal person would feel shame about how he treated his mother but he still thinks he’s in the right.
@@C_Cooke He feels shame about not killing her, not like you stated
@@noncanalepricnipale The regret is *not killing her* . Just because he doesn't feel the emotion we think he should be feeling doesn't mean Helheim isn't doing its job. He's being punished, just not the way you think of.
@@C_Cooke wtf was that time stamp?
43:11 I've never really seen someone else point it out, but when Atreus calls the the world serpent, you can see his iris change to a glowing white as he speaks the language. Personally I think it's to symbolize his godly ability of languages and I would assume we might see it again come Ragnarök.
Wierd that nobody noticed
it's also his son
The latin translation for the English word "speak" is "loqui" so having atreus be innately well versed in language is beautifully poetic
@@jimmajam96 an interesting connection, but it does lead one to wonder if the Norse language is rooted from Latin.
I noticed that, but I always thought it was a lighting glitch in his eyes. Didn’t think of that.
2:13
Another hint for later, Loki was supposedly the inventor of the fishnet, and it was that net that trapped him. So "fishnet mind" could be a small hint towards that reveal too
Unrelated but i think we will go fishing with atreus to teach him patience, like how we went hunting with him in the first game.
@@vishnutheetharappan7074
And then show his wit by crafting a net
When Atreus went all evil maybe that was Loki
Among other things
here's a nice little bit of trivia: during the recording of the Blades of Chaos scene, Christopher Judge actually teared up. that's the sign of a good script right there, when your actors cry.
Judge said that he teared up because he thought of his own family and how much time he has to miss with them in order to do his job. He felt like a monster to his own kids, so a scene like that would definitely open up the waterworks.
@@EmberRain666 oof...
@@EmberRain666 | That’s deep, bro.
@@EmberRain666 damn thats is more deep than the ocean
I honestly love how fast Jormungandr (I think that's what his name is) is when he gets summoned by Atreus, because realistically, many giants would most likely be much faster than most other beasts, as they have huge amounts of muscle in their bodies.
Well realistically, a creature that size would be a bit slower, because since they are so big they deal with more wind resistance. Which is why in pop culture when we see giant things on screen, it almost looks like they are moving in slow motion. Watch Pacific Rim 1 for an example.
@@bignick2k215 understandable, but even then, a creature as big as Jormungandr would most likely be pretty fast in comparison to it's size. And all of that is due to much of it's size coming from length as opposed to height, as it's long enough to wrap around the entire planet in Norse Mythology.
Remember the serpant is the child of Loki
not to mention that Jormungandr is a snake so he is naturally able to move/strike insanely fast
Just a detail I noticed: when BOI calls Jormungandr at the end of the game his eyes glow because he is using his godly powers. And this explains why he is suddenly able to speak jotnar as he just found out that he is a god and is still trying to know his powers.
Surprised you didn't mention when Kratos and Baldur fight on top of the Dragon, and Kratos yells "STAY AWAY FROM MY SON!" Being the ACTUAL first time he refers to him as his son, albeit not to him directly. And also when Baldur says "Snow" right before dying, I'm pretty sure it refers more towards him acknowledging the FEELING of snow on his cheek, rather than Ragnarok.
This is why i love this channel. We all grab different meanings pick up on different things!!
Same I've never experienced show cuz I live in California so feeling snow fall on your cheek would be nice
@@daFAQ_bru people in alaska: NOOOOOOOO
@@leoneyamada5408 xD
@@GamingWins dont think you understand that what fey saw, was far into the future. many games and shows have different interpretations on what prophesies and seeing the future would seem like. fey saw it all, and wanted it for it is the end of the aesir. a part of me wonders on her love for kratos, but she knew she would meet him and have a child with him.
I like what you said about how Kratos learns from his son. How it makes him better. It made me realize the failing of Freya. She doesn't. She never treated Baldur like an adult, she never apologized for cursing him without consent. And at the end she never apologized, believing she was right.
@Epik Notice how kratos was seeking vengeance without him doing sum whore shit but freya asked for it
in the end, she does apologize
@@bewater2974 it's a hollow apology. She still acts as if she's right and only apologizes to hopefully get her sun back, not because she felt bad. I've been on the receiving end of these many times and given more than I can count
@@ZayToDiffrent Kratos did ask for it in the previous gow games.He literally asked Hades for aide when he went up against a force 1000 times bigger than his own.Then he kept getting used by many gods,like Athena,Ares,Hera and Zeus.He paid the price for his godhood with the lives of his wife and daughter then he went for revenge.
@@shamanicdude8605 Yeah but he only asked for help temporarily. But they took it as him wanting everything.
I LOVE the fact they say your boy was Loki at the very end. It’s a trick that would have made the mythological Loki proud I mean in a game about Norse mythology you’d expect all the stapes: Odin, Thor, Loki. etc. but though out the whole game Loki isn’t shown or mentioned with just small hints only for you to learn the god of mischief was RIGHT THERE the whole time just brilliant
The "Straighter than Heimdall" line is emphasize how perfect his aim is ,in my culture we say something flew straight but mean it hit the target without fail.
Aye, came here to say this.
Sindri: I'd be displeased if you did something to her.
Kratos: where do you think this boy came from?
its overused ooooo button in previous games
Ehem, it’s *B O Y*
Yeah he did something to her that she never would forget
@@eggman_- who would forget "having a child" with the Greek god of war?
@@valbroderick8156 Dang. You’re right. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Interesting note. Loki being kratos' son in this canon is pretty cool because if you look into the lore of loki, people cant really decide where or when any of his story is from, where HE is from, etc. Point being, him being Kratos' son considering the story of loki makes alot of sense considering kratos isn't from this pantheons story.
Bro this dude has put out 17 roughly hour long video game reviews in less than a year the time and dedication that must have taken, sir you have earned my respect and my loyal following keep up the excellent work my guy.
Kind words like yours keep me goin 😁
@@GamingWins Of course my guy, nobody really does vids like yours anymore and I'm glad someone is video games aren't just entertainment they are like the ultimate expression of art and you pick out the tiny details wonderfully so, hell I've played the old god of war and the new so many times and theres some things even I didn't notice I can tell ya put a lot of effort and care into your videos and i just appreciate the hell outta that.
@@GamingWins this is my first watch of any of your videos and I’m excited to watch the rest
Sindri: “You gonna temper that steel longer?”
Brok: “Don’t need to I triple quenched it in draugr oil.”
Sindri: “How clever, and sanitary.”
I’m sorry but there is no chance in hell ‘draugr oil’ is sanitary.
I always felt that was a sarcastic remark, like he's acknowledging that it's a great idea, but disgusting
well if you look in any sens of here you shouldn't consider a living head, do you?
Maybe draugr is just a brand name
Maybe a special embalming oil?
@@taterds7858 i think draugrs are actually angry norse undeads, so yeah no way an oil derived from them is sanitary lol
Something I find interesting about the Leviathan Axe is that it can be used by anyone but it doesn't mean anyone using it can recall it like Kratos can. In a novelization of the game (or somewhere else) Atreus tells Kratos something along the lines of "I wish you told me only you can recall the Axe."
41:34 I have to side with Baldur in this instance. Freya took away his ability to taste food, enjoy a drink or two, experience carnal pleasure, and to physically feel anything for 100 years or so. I think anyone would be furious at the person who cursed you to that hell mentioning those particular words to you, they are also justifying their cruel actions, and they are lying to you by saying that their torment can't ever be reversed. She drove her son crazy, and refused to take responsibility for that.
Good point
Idk bro id rather live for ever then be abe to feel
@@sadsuperman9996 He already would've aged really slowly like any god (basically live forever), this was mostly to fear of him being killed and starting Ragnarok.
@@francargeric1 no it wasnt lmfao he was spelled because freya didnt want him to get hurt any god can be hurt and lose a arm or somthing but coz of freyas spell he couldnt feel so he woulnt have to bare that and not onky that gods can be killed and i think ur forgetting that so while he could live long he would die at some point so to prevent that fraya put the spell on him so he mnever dies
Something that a lot of people miss in this game is that Baldur isn't entirely a callback to Greek arc Kratos. He's only half. Yes, Baldur is blinded by vengeance, but he lacks the selfishness that Kratos had. Freya has KRatos' selfishness. She even admits that her measures taken to protect Baldur were hurting him, and explicitly refuses to undo them because those protections were for HER benefit, not his. Freya is every bit as selfish as Kratos used to be, and his recognition and rejection of this selfishness is just as important as his rejection of Baldur's vengeance.
"Who knew kratos had some wrestling skill?" Anyone who knows anything about the spartans from real life would have known this. He came from a society of warriors, raised as fighters from youth, of course my man kratos knows how to grapple
In the Olympics there was the sport pankration which was basically MMA without rules. That included wrestling. Lol plus like you said as a warrior he would know some grappling
@@yoshijb9428 well, some rules, no killing and throw em out the ring to win
Also the Spartans where actually very intelligent when it came to strategy wich people seem to forget
I mean, look at the battle of phemopoly
Or the phalanx I belive was spartan
@@blacklegbeastro5295 yeah the phalanx was an ancient greek tactic, i cant remember if it was the spartans who first began to implement it though
@@yoshijb9428 I heard spartans were actually banned from competing because they'd actually just fucking kill their opponents.
Atreus’s eyes glow when he speaks to The World Serpent, showing off how his divinity accelerates his lingual skills, helping him learn how to speak to Jorm when he needs to even after only hearing him and Mimir speak the tongue a handful of times.
Isn’t the word jotün?
The “aah” is actually a greek traditional way of showcasing how good something was after you drank it.
I dont think it is only greek , in my country it can be common
*drank it.
@@Eldani-xr1rf it’s literally in every culture
@@mookiestewart3776 thats because they conquered indirectly half of the planet.
@@guardianofsummerset451 Bruh bullshit
26:12 Interesting thing here. Acording to Ragnarok stories, Magni and Modi are among the few gods who survive. So if Odin let them know that, I suppose that they would go into battle without fear of death, which is why it Modi is so shocked beyond the simple "my brother just died" explanation.
Damn. And now Modi’s “how did you…” isn’t just referring to killing a god, but killing a god that was prophesied to live: Defying fate itself
or maybe that moment meant to him that kratos IS ragnarok and it clicks for him that he’s gonna turn Scandinavia into Greece real quick
@@suitedpanda3108 maybe because he defeated the sisters of fate ???
Also kratos isn't meant to be in the Nordic pantheon
So, he could very well change the fate
@@fuuuuuuuuuckyouprerna Ye fate doesn't exist anymore so all the Prophecies aren't set in stone. Even the one carved into stone at the end of the Game.
Correction, Magni and Modi are the supposed to be the only 2 Gods that survive Ragnorok
one thing I haven't seen much people mention is at 43:59 just before Kratos kills Baldur he says "the cycle ends here" which is the exact thing that his father Zeus says to him just before "killing" him in one of the god of war games
foreshadowing in this game was so good I almost cried the second play through.
It is stunning , and not only that but the experience drastically changes when played for second time , like baldur ans his knowledge about kratos , or yhe mistletoe on atreus arrows that was so utterly important for the end of the story line it is amazing , else the fact that mimir tells how odin syole freyas fighting spirit and a lot more man i like this game
Cry over that?
@@Eldani-xr1rf also Freya saying “Making up for a lifetime of mistakes.” Baldur was invulnerable for a lifetime.
@@Eldani-xr1rf I do have a question tho. How does Freya knows Kratos's name? In the entire game no one mentions it. Except for Hel Zeus
@jesucriko Kratos is probably famous over the world , mimir knows him , he literally destroyed a pantheon , and freya has a lot of free time
2:10 also for the fishnet tattoo, ( at least according to Neil Gaiman's "Norse Mythology") Loki was the first person to invent the fishnet. The attention to detail in this game is ridiculous.
He's also credited w/ the invention of the fishnet in the Poetic & Prose Eddas.
Fuck, you're saying his body tattoos literally just say "Hi I'm Loki?!".....
Fuck
Every little thing just gets me excited for Ragnarok
I was about to comment the same thing lol
The fishnet was also what the gods used to capture loki to imprisoned
Another win at the start:
Atreus's neck tattoo meaning "Fishnet mind" is actually a foreshadowing because Loki is responsible for inventing fishing net in norse mythology.
And then later being caught in the net after turning into a fish
A year later. But also one of the possible roots for loki is the Word for "to snare". So it's also a hint on that way.
"I'm a fucking God of War" is the best quote to mankind.
“In the direction of deer”
Kratos is a true father
Something my father would have said
What I love about the dragon scene is that kratos could have handled the finisher alone by throwing the axe, but decided to let his son help to make him feel included.
One of my favorite things about this game is all the little glances and nods the characters do. When Freya asks Atreus to get herbs from her garden, he looks to Kratos for permission, and only leaves once he nods yes. Then, when Freya is about to put the protective rune on his neck, Kratos glances down to Atreus, reminding himself why he’s doing this.
I think what makes Atreus's "Really!?" line at around 25:40 was the slight voice crack, like it was such a shock that his young child voice couldn't catch up
My favorite part of this game is the storm when Atreus is yelling at Sindri. Kratus knew what the storm meant but the game never talks about it. The player looking at the storm and hearing it gives them the uneasy feeling. When I saw it it took me a second but then I realized, "Oh shit thats Thor beating his son isnt it... OH SHIT!"
37:23 Kratos actually intentionally broke the bridge, so that Baulder doesn't find out about that way to jotunheim, i'd say that was such a smart move from Kratos
they're just now coming out with a comic series that is set to bridge the gap between the end of Greece and the start of this game. maybe we'll finally see what Faye looks like... but knowing them, it'll probably be a silhouette.
@Prabh Sandhu at the very least in the comics, her back and maybe a glimpse of her hair color and style. like how they teased Thor.
At 13:24 another win could’ve been when the prompt “Eitr imbued” appeared as Kratos picked up the axe after the serpent spit it out, foreshadowing the axe’s potential role in killing Thor during ragnarok, as the Eitr poison is consistent with what killed him in the traditional mythology
I've always wondered what the prompt meant! It was so subtle and then never explained. The devs literally thought of everything!
@@FrenchyFry43 Especially on how it was implemented in Ragnarok itself.
You also missed the part where Atreus says I’ve never been inside a giants belly. He didn’t know his mother was a giant so he technically had been inside a giants belly when she was pregnant with him
I feel like you're missing out on how devastating, psychologically scarring Baldurs life - directly because of his mother was. Arguably even worse than what the gods did to Kratos.
He essentially lived in a form of solitary confinement for thousands upon thousands of years. Feeling nothing of the outside world. Not the touch the touch of a woman, the thrill of doing something dangerous, nothing. In his mind forever. No way out of being cursed eternally.
You can't just expect that dude to snap out of that by giving him a cool line ala "the road of revenge leads to nowhere" even if its Christopher Judges amazing voice. :D
Fr bruh
I agree. It must have been devastating for him. It was not as simple thing as forgiving and moving on.
Freya was so fucking selfish damn
That's why the final scene was so sad, while you could say it's him detecting the coming of Ragnarok, I think it's just him feeling snow for the first time in his life and that's the reason he's still smiling
Around 100 years not thousands
Fun fact: in a convo with brok and Sindri you can hear them say that the reason the leviathan axe was made was to compete with Thor’s hammer if he ever did invade the jotnars
One of my favorite aspects of the writing in this game is how they grab onto previous lines and improve upon them as the relationship between Kratos and Atreus develops. In the beginning Atreus misses the deer with his bow and apologizes, and Kratos says “don’t be sorry. Be better”. At the end of the game Kratos says “we have to be better” when killing Baldur and talking to his son
Under the Mayo’s review of God of War 4 gave me a headache
41:50 I liked this part because it was like Kratos saw himself in him and he decided to give him another chance. He knew all the hatred and need for revenge he felt because he also felt those things, and instead of immediately attacking again he decided to try one last time to reason with him.
All the reason why the fact that the internet meming “are you a calm and reasonable person?” Disappoints me to no end
Fun fact: Troy Baker and Alastair Duncan were stated to be really great friends off set and on set. Mainly because Baker and Duncan void Talion and Celebrimbor in Shadow of War. They're considered to be extremely good friends.
29:40 I remember watching the documentary "Raising Kratos" where Christopher Judge talked about how the Kratos parable felt so close to his situation, being a distant and absent father because of his work, and when they showed the mocap of this scene, where he shed a sincere tear while delivering the line "I know"
That hit me very hard in the feelings
For reference, that's the scene ruclips.net/video/lJZWKBDXXFY/видео.html
I CRIED
As someone who never met my father i can relate to that
Did you know that every time Atreus is in danger is when you are forced to enter into the Spartan rage showing how much he cares for Atreus
Not only that but in those momentos the spartan rage duration is a lot longer than usual
I came across this channel a couple days ago and this video popped up. Watched it all and I will admit I cried. This game came out in a very turbulent time with me and my father. Just as Atreus says, “I don’t know him and he doesn’t know me.” I spent 20 years like that. And looking back on it, GOW, while not everyone’s cup of tea, really resonated with me for the story aspects. My father and I grew distant after many years. It was a story I understood from a father and son standpoint. But my father loved watching me play video games growing up as it brought a smile to my face and watching him play games such as Crash Bandicoot or helping him by giving him further insight was something we bonded over. I remember my dad telling me a couple years ago about this game, “I’ve never seen you be so cheerful about a game. And coming into your room and seeing your smile, it brought me joy, even if it was for just a while.” This game was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful if only for a little while. I’ll never forget my time playing it. I would go through hell to hear that one more time.
I think the advice: "close your heart to it" might be an interesting detail. Kratos grew up a Spartan and was likely told the same thing.
What you mentioned about Kratos maybe being told to close his heart, while I do suppose that is true, either that or he learned not to grieve about the idea of people passing and Kratos is telling his son to do that.
And because he was taught that on Sparta he realized In Ragnarok that it wasn't In Atreus' Nature to do that.
I like to think Baldur got so mad at Freya after she said “I know how you feel” at around 41:25 because that’s the thing, he can’t feel any physical pain in anyway shape or form due to her being overprotective, it isn’t as much that he can’t feel emotion or his anger towards her
Joker: "Very poor choice of words."
Late reply but yes, that is it exactly the point Baldur was making (that he can't physically feel anything, not just pain). It looks like GamingWins didn't pick up on that though.
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Yup
To be SLIGHTLY fair....... she was selfish enough to do what she did to him so she doesn’t care (read: feel) for his opinions or sense of agency so........ she too was numb....... in a way.
Another thing that would have been great for a win counter is at the end of the game, when Atreus and Kratos are going ham on Baldur, the quicktime event is only used when Atreus is attacking, showing us that the story is moving onto Atreus and growing as a character. This also is confirmed when Kratos and Atreus are in Jotunheim and they see the Prophecy laid out by Faye, Atreus says "This is our story." And Kratos says "No. This is your story." It all really ties well
42:30: One thing worthy of note in the final battle which ties into Freya being unable to cause harm: In the stage when Kratos is in the pit with Baldur and Baldur is constantly joined by creatures Freya summons, many players may attack them just because they are there and it's a video game. The fact is, these creatures are incapable of doing the slightest damage to Kratos, and when one is on his back "attacking" him, *_Baldur's_*_ attacks can't harm Kratos, either._ However, when Kratos flips one of them off of his own back, it usually knocks Baldur down, giving Kratos a chance to sneak in an attack. The whole situation plays so completely against video game reflexes and expectations, and it does it so subtly that players can finish the fight and never know that they were squandering their greatest advantage. That deserves a win.
I love that the total win counter score was 300, now that was convenient calling to the movie of the spartan war ⚔️🏺
one of my favorite things about the 1st Helheim section is that Kratos actually looks remorcfully about k!lling the ogre. Mostly everything that he has had to attacked so far has been creatures that were evil or started the fight. But the ogre was just doing it's job, and Kratos felt bad about k!lling an innocent ogre that didn't pose a threat.
37:28 that was actually a smart move on Kratos's part. It destroyed the bridge which at the time did stop them but it also prevents the aesir gods from being able to get there
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
not really a smart move since it was their last resort at the time and he didnt do it while having that in mind. however the result is beneficial
@@superfunk6234 honestly its like when thor killed Thamur and claimed the village Thamur destroyed when he died was planned
You can say anything after the facts done and results shown
(Of course till someone points out the facts showing the bs)
@@superfunk6234 at the worst for them at that time, they could only spread faye's ashes on the second highest peak but the aesir cant reach one of their biggest enemeies to genocide them
@@madstar44 only to find out they were dead already so Odin could've shut up about that Faye ash thing
When he pulls out the blades of chaos and runs his finger across it. That sound and the scene gives me chills
Bro, Troy baker playing Higgs in death stranding is actually orgasmic as far as voice acting goes. The line “ the partical of god that permeates all existence” always sent shivers down my spine, and he just looks good in general
Someone needs to say something about the opening scene here. That roar Kratos makes when making the final swing to cut down his now dead wife's tree, is just pristine, absolutely incredible.
Under the Mayo’s review of GOW left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m so glad I found this video.
@@rickyrackey7930 Oh right, forgot about him, now i want to forget about him again.
@@ihavevisionfearme It gave a headache.
@@rickyrackey7930 For some annoying reason i went back to his videos and god, i hate myself for doing so. Dude thinks he's a master gamer or some shit because he plays doom eternal.
@@ihavevisionfearme This is an example of boomers in video games.
i love how “loki” ended up calling his middle child in the last fight. that’s pretty cool
His oldest
Child
Yeah, Fenrir is the middle child, Jorm is the eldest.
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And the youngest child is Hel.
@@soulkarver956 he has more then 3 kids, don't forget about sleppnir (or however you spell it)
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Sleipnir*
I love that this game is both Kratos coming to grips with his past but also trying to change who he is as a person going forward. The biggest one I look at is his difference in how he's trying to raise Atreus to what happened with his daughter in the original trilogy. He had to grow so much just to be the father Atreus needed him to be, even if he needed the time to get there.
I would love to hear kratos talk about his brother and BOY asking “I have a uncle” and kratos saying “you had a uncle”
So good 😂😂😂
Ok TFS
He had multiple uncles and aunts to
…….. and a sister 😞….. she’s kinda in hell a little bit….. it’s complicated
@George Argy that’s why it’s complicated! But you’re not wrong. I wonder if they’ll bring her back in a future game, showing that she grew up to be a badass or something.
pretty surprised you didn't notice that artreus wears part of kratos' old skirt as a belt. it's really noticeable with his blue armor.
also, a moment i loved was when kratos placed his hand on the bridgekeeper's chest in respect; he didn't want to kill him, he just needed to save his son. another example of how much he's grown
I love the fact Kratos is reluctant with comforting Atreaus so much. Like patting him on the back and such. Remember he was raised a Spartan in the agoge and was bread for war. He's trying to raise Atreus almost the same but better.
Spoiler/Easter Egg:
Loki is attributed in Norse mythology as being the inventor of the fishnet, so Artreus having a runic tattoo on his arm that reads that is even more subtle foreshadowing...
Fun little Easter egg, once the head and the world snake talk for the first time, head mentions that the snake recognized atreus even though they never met
This is becuse atreus (Loki) is the father to the world snake
@@sarcasticfanstic yeah and that Jormangandir traveled back in time due to his fight with Thor
43:13 And as a subtle nod to Language being part of Atreus's godly power, you'll note his eyes light up with each word of the Giant's Tongue. A language that before this point, he has not been able to speak.
43 mins in when Atrus starts speeding to Jormangander his eyes light up showing one of his god powers
I thought I was the only one that noticed that! I think it’s a huge detail, especially because he didn’t study Jormungandr-ese, it just happened spontaneously. I think he’s doing the same in the Jotunheim mural, he will spontaneously create Jornungandr from Kratos dying body.
About the fishnettattoo: loki invented the fishnet in mythology so that could also be a reverence to that.
Who is this loki i only know BOY
16:54 the voice of who I can only assume to be Faye singing the games theme is a hint that we can feel her influence every step of the way
"Don't jump over the edge!"
Everyone that bought the game: YEEET!!!
I did it first time I saw it
@@kristiankepley5944 dude same!
It's like the game knew we'd take it as a personal challenge
@@isdrakon9802 there should have been a achievement
@@kristiankepley5944 there should've been 🤣
16:24 You know what I just realized? The light of Alfheim didn’t only show the Jotenhuim bridge, it also showed the flying ship in Helheim, Kratos climbing the mountain to Mimir(I don’t remember the name of the mountain), and the statue of Thor which holds Mimirs eye, and possibly other stuff that I didn’t notice
Yea I think he actually is in the future at that point because we know the time in alfheim moves faster
So he gets a glimpse of what’s ahead
10:33 With subtitles on, Brok says “Look, you want I should upgrade her or not?” I still like the idea that Brok never completely shunned Sindri, though
I love the contrast when we first meet Baldur in terms of their tattoos. The dark blue on tan skin vs Kratos's pale skin and orange red tattoos really emphasize the fact that Kratos isn't from Midgard. The first time I played it all I knew was it was a sequel to the series. This scene made me realize that I didn't know where the game was set but we definitely weren't in Greece anymore.
Also that scene when Kratos asks Mimir "what is that place?" and Mimir says "never go there." I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing the place in Ragnarok because it's not like we haven't been to another version of Hel right?
Didn't they go there when they got blasted out the portal in a fight with Baldur and got stranded?
@@anxiousearth680 not quite. they were close but didnt actually reach it
Under the Mayo’s review of GOW4 gave me a headache
"The Cycle Ends here" Is What Zeus Tells Kratos in GOW2 When He Killed Him
37:23 actually I think it shows that kratos IS smart, because knowing he couldn't win(he was really getting the shit beat outta him), destroyed the gate so Baldur and the other's couldn't go there and make things even worse.
The moment when Kratos broke the “only” way to Jotunheim was actually an amazing idea. Baldur is unkillable and Kratos knows that he wants to get to the giants. No matter what, if he didn’t break that “bridge” Asgard would’ve made their way into Jotunheim. Which I would like to think was Kratos being smart!
I just think of him having been trained to only focus on a fight. Do he wasn't an idiot, just focused on something else
@@isdrakon9802 I’m not too sure what you mean, but I think you’re agreeing with me, right? But he’s definitely not dumb, he’s been living too long and was able to take down an entire pantheon.
@@joshualee8902 But he knew that it wouldn't do shit but did it anyway
@@ZayToDiffrent what? In saur confused…
That's an interesting point.
11:35 I love this part you're so right about it! Also love how Kratos kneels to talk to Atreus putting himself at his level and communicating with like an adult, not just a parent
"Be better" is such a strong theme in this and the next games. I genuinely believe that these 2 games are the height of "games as art". The gameplay is wonderful by itself, but it serves to draw you in so well and feel in the story. Even in the cutscenes, you see the abilities, know what moves Kratos is doing. Then the story and acting just makes this game perfect.
30:18 I think the choice of enemy was even deeper than that. Prior to this you could only deal damage to those enemies with bare knuckle combat, and they were quite tough, but to the blades they are just fodder. It really shows the power of them
Or just the fact that the only other weapon kratos had besides his fists was an ice axe and those enemies are powered by ice and the blades are a flame based weapon
7:54 Of course Kratos has wresteling skills, Greece IS the home of the sport.
Not only Greece but Sparta specifically. It would've been much more strange if Kratos as a Spartan didn't know a bit about how to wrestle properly.
@@RallenCaptura a spartan general at that.
The fishnet mind rune is a reference to the original myth of Loki. After he killed Baldur, Loki ran and decided to hide as a fish, he thought of the best way to catch a fish, got the idea of a fishnet, burned it, then hid. Sadly the other gods saw the spot the fishnet burned into the floor. They copied the design and used it to capture Loki.
HE DID GOD OF WAR NEXT LETS GOOOOO BABYYY THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUTTTTTTTT
20:30 Heimdall is the norse god responsible for ferrying people around via the bifrost and world tree in the legends. He would need excellent aim, so that's probably what Sindri is referencing.
Or, straight is sometimes referred to as being moraly good. For example, you're on the straight and narrow" so I assumed it meant like honest, kind, etc.
The soundtrack in this game is one of my favourite parts about the game it just feels powerful, emotional, grand and well godly,seriously I don't remember listening to a game soundtrack that got me this emotional before and the orchestral aspects of the soundtrack make it feel that much more grand and powerful 👏
The developers clearly had a love for this game and took great care and love with not just the game but the franchise. It proofs that if you have alot love for this and willing to do something you, you can succeed!!!
Under the Mayo’s video gave me a headache.
Kratos murmuring “I’m a fucking god of war” That sent me
Whereee
@@MBUOffical 12:48
Hilarious. I need more behind the scenes banter