Jim Cornette on Ten Ways He & Paul Heyman Is Similar & Different
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- From Episode 223 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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"Paul Heyman was the best at getting the most out of the least" - Jim Cornette
AMEN
Agreed.
So many ECW talent shoot interviews are ,
"Oh ya, Heyman still owes me money...but I love the guy "
@Old Man problem there is Vince wasn't a fan of ECW. Kinda like the dumb statement that Eric got the nwo idea from ecw lol.
@@pness3038 seen more say "he owe me money" and not say "I love the guy".
@@scrappy93 Who says Bischoff got the nWo idea from ECW? Everyone knows he stole it from Japan
"Donna, 50 year old, who had been coming to wrestling for 40 years, didn't wanna see hot lesbian action" made me spit my drink out 😂😂
I pictured friggin Donna Reed lol
Quit using emojis man. That's some child's play. Looks ridiculous.
@@imright6340 meh
@@imright6340 , 50 years old, been coming on the internet for 4 minutes, didn't wanna see hot emoji action. 😆 🤣 😂 🤣
@@imright6340 my keyboard cost more than yours so my opinion does too
Paul Heyman is the type of guy that would serve me Peanut Butter & Jelly & convince me it's Thanksgiving Dinner. The peanut butter as (Yams), the jelly as (cranberry sauce) & the bread as (stuffing). I'd ask where's the Turkey & he say, "It's vegan!"
I could hear him saying "Noooo don't worry about it it's VEEEGAAAAANNN come on you know Paul E is here for ya."
I like that, that's a good analogy 😂
'small' guys were different back in the ECW days. Jericho, Eddie, Benoit etc. were all considered 'small' guys. They all pushed for smaller performers to be showcased. Shawn Michaels in WWF, Brett Hart etc. they were all considered 'small' guys compared to the Hogan's, Warrior's and Luger's... It wasn't about being the size of Spike Dudley. It was about being smaller than the 'roid filled basketball player height guys.
After the steroid trial. nothing to do with jericho, Eddie, benoit.
Its so crazy to think benoit was considered a small guy back then. I think they called him a vanilla midget. Wow, he was freaking huge to most people.
@@skymack10 he was so short though I got his autograph when he was first starting in Stampede and he had to be 5'6 maybe 5'7 I towered over him when I was 15.
@@TheMr32hunter i met him in 2004 and 2007 when they were doing shows in Indiana, he was like 5'8 or 5'9
@@branhasyoutube coulda been I was probably still growing so I could see it.
Elizabeth tho...maybe she didn't know it, but that story between her and savage was incredibly dynamic for the time.
Ecw in a nutshell, sabu is angry, rvd is cool, sandman is drunk, Tommy dreamers getting cheated on
What about the Duh Duh Duh Dudleys? Ha.
Taz is angry.*
Sabu hates tables.
@@Hillthugsta you are right
@@Am0ment0fB Dudleys hate each other
@@petebagwell6666 fine. Bring in Spike! Ha.
Michael Kirchner[1][4] (born Michael Penzel; September 7, 1957 - December 22, 2021)[1] was an American professional wrestler and a United States Army paratrooper. He was best known for his appearances with the World Wrestling Federation (WWF, now WWE) under the ring name Corporal Kirchner in the mid-1980s. He was also known for his appearances in W*ING under the ring name Leatherface.[6][7] Penzel died of a heart attack on December 22, 2021, at the age of 64.
Seriously? 😞
On Ten Ways He & Paul Heyman ARE Similar And Different*****
YES. Please change the title to this. It's hurting my brain.
@@ktd522 same
Epic use of “Mashing Minges” bravo Jim
I loved that too! (Fistbump) lol
It makes me happy that Cornette watches, enjoys and quotes South Park
Comona Wannalay.....🤷🏽♂️. Epic.....
They also both started out in the business as ringside photographers.
"Beulah supposedly got pregnant after Tommy Dreamer was piledriving her all the time..." I wonder if Brian did that intentionally.
Other ways, Paul and Jim are different. Mobile phones have got much smaller over the years. Paul would struggle to hit anyone with any impact with a modern mobile phone. Tennis rackets however still whack quite a punch.
It depends, those big screen iPhone maxes have a big ol' battery and a metal body, so one of those could do some damage. Just have to be careful to not have the screen break in the process so you don't get glass shards flying, and thus a shoot injury.
This article was clearly written by the "did you know your car's warranty has expired" guy and then dropped into Google translate without any editing done by an English speaking person.
"The past of Jim Cornette saw him used to have a close relationship with Vince McMahon..."
Was that dude getting paid by the word?!
Heyman's ECW gave us badass cool heels, as opposed to the all too typical, tired "chickenchit" ineffectual variety. '95-'96, it's peak, it was GREAT! Re-ignited my love for pro wrestling. Funk, Cactus, Guerrero, Malenko, Mysterio, etc, etc. A lot of hallowed names appeared at the ECW arena during that time (Austin, Dr. Death, Gordy, The Steiners, Pillman). So much more than "smoke and mirrors".
ECW didn’t give us that, most of those guys passed through ECW and were able to work on their characters. Most of those guys became made in wcw or wwf, yes Heyman provided an alternative but by no means did he create those characters. Those wrestlers were all responsible for their own success not Heyman.
@@cesarpac3723 lol sure. Yes that's why so many guys call themselves Heyman guys. Without ecw you don't get the attitude era. Paul was more influential to wrestling then cornette is
@@happytomakeyousick4172 that’s a recent thing, back in the day no one called themselves that. Truth is ecw was kinda shitty, some of the guys did pass by there on their way to the wwf but ecw was never a successful organization.
Not all Shane would be almost of old school mixed with the modern product at the time and corino was bad ass just a chicks hit heel that could get heat especially with the hardore wcw audience and probibly my 2 favorite heels in all of ecw
@@cesarpac3723 yes talents like sandman, sabu , taz, raven, shane douglous and new jack were more talents made by Heyman, but funk, foley, austin funk, dr death was already a star and foley and Austin really didnt do much in ecw aside from promos for the most part the best thing I can say about haymen is he certain can hide a wrestlers flaws and show their strengths in their talent
Honorable mention for how they are similar - Cheeseburgers!!
Both like their food.
This was just hilarious. I love it when poor Brian has to try to interpret questions and such from people who are shall we say "grammatically challenged" because you can almost his brain screaming when that happens.
Ohh poor brian huh. Idgaf bout Brian. His voice ruins this whole channel.
It's almost like he's translating into English sometimes 😂
Lol way to make a point. "...you can almost his brain screaming"
The fact that the videos title reflects this is pretty hilarious.
thats your common liberal they think they are perfect but god forbid they make a mistake don't dare criticize or judge them
SMW was what Vince would deride as "rasslin'". I can't say I disagree.
"Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette are all time greats as managers." Yep. I'd list them both right behind Bobby Heenan.
Add Gary Hart and J.J. to that list
Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio were in ECW for about 5 minutes. The had about as much ring time for Heyman as Gronk has in WWE lol.
Malenko was there for a bit. he was there before ecw split from the nwa in 94 and stayed until 95. Rey and Eddie both probably weren't there over a few months.
39:20 finally someone described grunge as what it actually was.
Some of the GREATEST musicians of All-Time came out of that messy scene tho!
Grunge is now my dad’s rock music...
Corney cracks me up. I love his podcast. 😆
Fuck let Jim go into a restaurant with his ninja suit on and review food. I'd listen to that even
Bill Watts did have Missy Hyatt leave John Tatum for Eddie Gilbert.
These guys need a podcast, it would be great. You would think Corny would hate Paul, but he seems to respect him.
Brandi Rhodes is the best women's wrestler on the planet!
You wanna put that on a stack of comments?
she's hot but still has go away heat. Amazing how bad the Rhodes family is
She is far from it but I would still love to get a stinkface from her. (Sorry Cody)
Brandi is running AEW , Paul is managing Brock and Jim is fighting spectrum cable on RUclips
@@jeffmac9642 her power was curbed along with the EVPs. Its all Tony Khan and Q.T. Marshall doing the writing and running the promotion.
Candido was 5'6"??? No wonder Sunny did what she did; poor guy couldn't see the real Sun from that height.
That sexual deviant stuff is Northeast culture bro. We love that here in Jersey, Phila and NY. Atlantic city loves all that drama.
Editor’s note: “The personality of Brian Last sees conflict being averse to burgers with extra cheese”
Btw correct grammar would be "Ten Ways He & Paul Heyman *Are* Similar and Different". Just out here doin Corny's work.
When Jim talks about what ECW-style stories wouldn't fly in the Rust and Bible belts...the crazy thing is, the Tommy/Beulah/Kimona reveal got ECW kicked off TV in New York City. And almost for good. The MSG Network kicked them off not too long after and "technically" never let them back on .
Title should be ARE similar.
As someone who wants to be a writer one day, I'm genuinely in awe at the fact that honest-to-God articles are published with wack-ass wording like this 11:42
Jim- "Slicker than 'come' on a gold tooth.".. where does he come up with these phrases??? lmao
Taz was only 5'9 probably shorter but he didn't look out of place against a big guy like Bam Bam Bigelow.
Its because he had size! Theres a big difference between a 5’9 guy with muscle and solid mass than 5’9 pencil twigs
Cornette is a Kubrick, not a Spielberg. "Do it again, do it right, and stop fucking up. We'll be here all night if we gotta."
Not that long ago, in one of the interviews John Cena did with Chris Van Vliet, I remember him saying that WWE promos where not what most people thought they were and that they were indeed mostly bullet points. I don’t remember if he mentioned it that wwe for everyone. Maybe that was true for Cena and John didn’t know about everyone else’s promo format.
Can I get a job writing for The Sportster? I literally couldn't do worse than the writer of this article. This guy writes like he is drunk off his ass.
Or in Week 6 of ESL
You forgot the quotation marks and it's "couldn't do any worse". Ha.
@@Am0ment0fB why would that need to be in quation marks? I'm not quoting anyone or being ironic. I suppose I appreciate the inclusion of the word any. I find it funny that this off handed remark on a RUclips video has more editorial oversight than The Sportster.
@@mrwednesdaynight ha. You would require the quotation marks because you are quoting what the author wrote.
@@mrwednesdaynight oh wait. I needed the quotation marks because I was quoting you. You just need the other thing to be grammatically correct. Ha.
It doesn't have to be someone from another country writing the article. Seems like alot of the newer journalists types aren't that great at putting words together correctly. I bet if newspaper guys back in Jim's dads days ever put something out worded as crazy as this guy has done would get fired. How times have changed. I've meet younger people that only use digital clocks and watches because they have trouble telling time on a regular clock. That floored me
The writer was American, and Brian might be unaware but America has the highest grammatically challenged population which is why the better wrestling sites hire writers from other countries. American writers do not proofread and wrestlinginc is a good example of this. The writers even ban you if you point it out.
@@drml8224 Judging by the typo in the video title ("IS similar"), I'd say he is definitely unaware haha
Idiocracy was a documentary!
4:24 Aron Stevens with Beth Phoenix & Shelly Martinez
i first thought he ment romantic in a literatic meaning like in "Romanticism". Like the romanticist gothic literature has an influence to the movies and stuff that lead to the kayfabe character of the Undertaker... so like nothing to do with so called "romaces" per se... but as i got he really ment it just that simple i just had to shook my head.
The difference between Spike and Marko is that Spike still looked like a man. Marko Stunt looks like an 11 year old boy. Spike was taller than Rey and weighed about the same. Marko is 5,2 and 102lbs. I haven't been that small since I was in the 5th grade.
Am I the only who remembers that when the remaining Dudleys arrived in TNA Impact Spike changed his name to "Runt" for all too obvious Network reasons?🤔🎤📺🤼♂️B.W.
I think the difference between the two is that Jim Cornette is an overthinker and Paul Heyman is a genius. I state that as someone who has watched way more of Jim Cornette's stuff than Heyman's.
how about Tazz as a smaller wrestler? made him an unstoppable suplex machine champion. on the other channel you had diesel and mable and sid. Tazz is more of a normal size guy than small but in the land of giants.....Paul made him look like a beast....then Rhyno later on....were they not both like 5'8 or 5'9?
Midgets are not normal size
@@davey3884 orange midget get it right
The Sportster got a failing fifth grader to write an artical about two of the greatest wordsmiths in the history of professional wrestling.
Heyman is employed and Cornette is not
Alright, now let's do one for ways that Cornette and Russo are similar. I'll start:
#1: They are both against having wrestlers memorize scripts for their promos.
2. Both are 60 years old and still hate eachother like little school girls on the playground
They both hate AEW
Well as Jim Ross said
Paul heyman is a New York jim cornette
Jim cornette is a southern Paul heyman
And both would be out raged by that statement and completely incapable of seeing their similarities.
This article is Mark making it
@Old Man creep
Paul is more fond of Rope Operas.
Heyman had the benefit if being around when managers aren't managers anymore..the past 20 years it's really just been Heyman and Heyman alone..Heenan and Cornette were the best when there was more competition.
Eddie Guerrero was 5'8 220 pounds I believe Heyman push for him to be WWE Champion he was short
*are not "is"
I forgot about "Comona Wannalay". Idc what anyone says, that's a great name.
Jim Cornette is before my time but I understand the promo hype after that keeps introduction lmao
"Mashing Minges" LOL!
Taz was smaller, and was used as a killer
"Mashing Ninjas" should be the title of Asian HLA.LMAO
Minges not ninjas.
".....mashing minges with each other and all this shit...." I'm over here cryin 🤣🤣🤣
SEE!!
Even Jim "wrote scripts".
Just like ad companies write "copy".
BLAME THE TALENT sometimes - TOO MANY focus on "moves" and CANNOT "talk people into the building"... others just swear and reference WWE...
MOVIE SCRIPTS don't belittle quality actors;
I really wish JC would just watch random TV shows and movies so I can listen to him talk about them. I don't watch or care about wrestling, but he is so entertaining he can talk about a damn awful tasting diet soda and I'd agree and love it.
They're really missing out here. I actually think jim cornette was wasted in wrestling. Coulda been the new Pat Cooper in comedy.
Maybe Corny should start doing reaction videos?
I want cornette to watch English football (soccer) and commentate on it
S. Reffett: Please look up his hilarious and very informative jousts with Brian Last about Cheeseburgers, Pizza, Hot Dogs (minus Mustard as he will gleefully explain) and Kentucky Derby Day Food customs. They are worth pursuing and you are assured to learn something everytime.🤔😂🎤🍔🍟🥤🍕🌭🐴🌹🤼♂️B.W.
@@madbrowniac7871 I've heard these lol. Pizza disagreements, biscuits and gravy, cheesesteaks, I love it all..... but I really love code academy
"Mashing Minges" -Jim Cornette 2021
I find it funny how Paul clearly tried to sneak in his lesbian kink into wrestling, by marketing it to younger fans. Yet you can tell he wrote everything one handed, so it doesn't work in the slightest.
"Paul heyman is the southern version of jim cornette" -bruce prichard
Hate to disagree with Corney but we had ECW on uhf and cable television in VA in the 90s and we loved it ! When he says VA I think he means out in the hills near the west not the cities.
He's coping with ECW destroying SMW.
Mashing what Jim? 😂😂😂
Brian Last doesn’t even consider what the writers say. They mention spike as an example of smaller wrestlers and they talk about it yet they stick to just spike when talking instead of bringing up Tazz, Eddie Guerrero, Mysterious or the fact Paulie got Lita over before she got to wwe wth
Russo wasn't "an ECW mark".
And all that TLC, conchairto, Van Daminator stuff happened in WWF after Russo left.
Plus, WWF 2000-2002 was the "Attitude Era" in name only. It's like saying Bob Holly and Bart Gunn were the exact same team as Condrey and Eaton.
I agree. I loved the TLC matches when they were 1 offs at mania, not a weekly thing. But even I can’t blame Russo. He wasn’t responsible for TLC. He was responsible for a lot of garbage. But tlc would have been his highest achievement imo
Paul use rey mysterious.
This is an excellent segment, but that article is written so poorly. It’s like they got someone off of Fiverr to write it.
I think Jim is blaming Paul a little too much for the Hardcore style. FMW was doing it waaaay before ECW did.
Guys - the article is obviously written by AI 😅
*Are
Heyman has more in common with Russo than he does with Cornette
Agree. Both of them have been responsible for hit television creatively, not just as a heel manager character.
Both of them came from the school of Jerry Springer.
I agree. Even though Russo clames he's never watched Ecw and often said that Bischoffs writing style in wCw during the whole nWo thing, with all the swerves and backstabbing type of storylines, is what really influenced his writing, but you can't ignore the little similarities that Ecw and WWF had at the time.
love the pod boys
Mashing minges 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 said before, ill say it again, never change dear Jimbo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 Me They Similar In Creativity But Paul Can Make A Star Outta Anybody But Cornette Can Do Good In Business In $ Wise Like Paul Had Ecw It Was Great But Cornette Overall Would Do Good In Business
It would be ten ways he and Paul Heyman *ARE* similar & different, not "Is"
*ARE
see Paul was actually really good at booking Raw. there was a brief period in, i want to say 2019? mightve been 18 where Raw was actually damn good. Then he got fired from that position purely as a scapegoat for why Raw's ratings were so low (Even though he was bringing them back up and retaining all the current fans)
Paul could run WWE far better than John Laryngitis, Bruce Ass Kisser and Vince Mc-Out of touch.
Lmao Ratings went down the gutter when Paul was running the show. Paul also was making a secret group or was doing groupism in WWE roster.
But I agree that Paul is better than Bruce Pritchard .
Uhhhh uh uh uh CM Punk!!! Uhhhh uh uh uh You're suspended!! Uhuhuh.
John Laryngitis, long lost son of Principal McVicker.
4:39
Cornette, Heyman, and Russo table of 3.. I’d pay top dollar to see that dynamic
Nah need bischoff there too. Heyman and cornette would happily go after everyone. Bischoff would try and side with them against Russo and Russo would be annoying AF.
Old skool ec fn w baby the good old days
Not an easy article to write
Scissor-me timbers
Was ecw romantic storyline based on Melrose place???
Would be interesting to see Jim & Paul have a one-on-one talk, or have them included in a future Table for 3.
I'd pay PPV prices to see that
Only if somebody like Michael Hayes moderates.
Throw Vince Russo in there 😂
@@TheRedScareIsAlive Russowould bring nothing of value to the conversation.
Jim, Paul, and JR on table for 3 would be reason enough to subscribe to the cock.
Saw an old interview with RVD. He was telling a story in which Paul was featured. RVD introduced him to the tale by saying;
"Paul Heyman. He doesn't mind lying"
Jim Cornette is one of The Mount Rushmore of best wrestling managers in the wrestling industry.
Jim Cornette, Bobby Heenan, Ted DiBiase, Paul Heyman imo
@@popeluigi My opinion is Jim Cornette, Freddie Blassie, Sonny King, Bobby Heenan
Heenan,Cornette,Jimmy Hart & Sherri.
Comedian Patrice O'neal wrote for the wwe for a hilariously short amount of time and was yelled at/fired multiple times by Stephanie McMahon bc he was so nonchalant about the news of his termination 😅
That's because Patrice was that guy.
He was??? Holy shit i actually never knew that. Patrice is a comedy icon i never knew he worked for the WWF
So he was fire for being nonchalant about being fired? OK.
@@dvon1097 I know I'm 8 months late lol but if you haven't found it just look up Patrice talking about his time with Vince on O&A. Was so funny. RIP Patrice
@@dvon1097He actually was in a few Sunday night Heat segments with Chyna (after her mamacita run) I found it by surprise the day before my birthday. 11/29/2000 or 10/29/2000 Sunday night heat if you wanna see it yourself.
Jim said Paul was obsessed with doing lesbian type angles and that is exactly what the Lashley, Lana, and Rusev triangle became with Liv Morgan lol.
lmaoo i almost forgot the liv morgan involvement hahah so true
The whole edgy/attitude pulling back the curtain thing may have ultimately destroyed the business, but man it was a wild ride while it lasted.
Because it didn't.
"The women are there to stab men in the back just like they are in real life and cause conflict." Priceless.
are, not “is”.
I love JR and Lawler together but I really enjoyed Heyman on commentary in 2001. He was so good I didn’t even miss Lawler, to be honest.
In my opinion, JR and Heyman were a better commentating team than JR and Lawler
I remember clearly his first night. it was the same night, they did the thing on Raw where Vince had Trish strip. Paul said hey mom I'm in Washington and I'm going to see Bush.
Well, in all fairness, unlike JR and Lawler, Heyman and Ross had already had some chemistry/experience together since they announced together in WCW '90-'91 and had known each other for years.
Lawler is too immature. I love the Ventura/Heenan types. That's why Heyman/Macho Man & other's will always be ranked higher. I don't mind Lawler. He was great during the era of puppies. However he kept his job too long. There is a time and place for him.
@@ModernDayRenaissanceMan Continuing on and standing against positive change is culpable. Doing that when things are falling apart like Lawler and Taker is laudable.
Bruce Prichard said in his podcast “Cornette is a country version of Heyman and Heyman is a sophisticated Cornette.”
I love it when they read articles
I've been watching SMW and ECW when Paul took the book. SMW had better wrestling and production, while ECW had unpredictability where anything could happen. Both were great in their own rights
That article was so poorly done it almost pissed me off because you can do a good one comparing and contrasting the two. They're basically the northern and southern versions of each. Both got their starts in similar ways, both had similar career paths, and both have clashed the McMahons. There is an intelligent article to be written about this, and that article wasn't it
Jim is completely wrong about VA. We had ECW here since '94 and people loved it - it was hugely popular. And people liked the risky angles.
Exactly I was thinking the same thing
Yep. The good ole PEN TV days when ECW came on at midnight followed by random 'Japanimation'.
not to mention when Dreamer showed up in Memphis to attack Lawler he was cheered even though he was attacking the hometown hero. Cornette underratesjust how popular ECW was
Thank you ! Came here to say this !