So hyped that he answered my question! I should've added that if they think Heyman would've been as innovative with a huge budget. A big part of what made ECW special is the fact he only had a shoestring budget and he had to do the best with what he had.
I feel like if Paul Heyman had been given access to hundreds of millions of dollars he wouldn't have gone into wrestling. He would've found the most creative and morally dubious way of turning a quarter million into $5 billion.
Image how different the landscape would be if a good booker like Heyman in the 90’s or Sapolsky in the 00’s had the connections and unlimited funds Tony Khan has now. 🤯
Most people are only good at one or the other. It's not necessarily about not knowing how to spend or who to pay it's more about showing restraint and saying no. Saying no and showing restraint means being the bad guy to some. You're already the bad guy to some because you're the booker so add being the money guy. Vince knew enough to hire a talent relations person that would say no for him.
With what we've seen with Tony Khan, money is not always a quick fix for your problems. Cornette and Heyman, despite their limited budget, were able to make their mark in wrestling. A lack of capital forces you to solve your problems in creative ways. Being at the bottom makes you hungry. It drives you to stand out among the crowd. Tony was born on 3rd base and still manages to screw it up.
I've stated this elsewhere, so I'll try to summarize: Heyman gets trashed for "being bad at business" and when ECW folded, he was $8 million in the hole from the life of the company since it was rebranded from Eastern Championship Wrestling to the Extreme Championship Wrestling everyone had come to know. And that's not taking into account his story about the supposed PPV money he was owed which would have lessened the debt by about half... let's just keep it at "worst case". However, for perspective, when Dixie Carter was in charge of TNA, she lost that in a single year of operation and continued to operate. Tony Khan has pissed that away in a month (which I originally said as a joke, but then a few months later, some recipts appeared online that were pretty wild... especially for the mid-tier caliber show it was). Makes him seem like significantly less of a screw-up keeping that organization held together by duct tape, wishes, luck, and slick talking all while being as hot as it was for a number of years.
He’d have been sued into bankruptcy for all the stuff that happened in ecw on a larger scale. Damaged fans cars, a fan getting burned by a towel that was in fire that flew into the audience, the mass transit incident alone would have done him in
If Paul Heyman had a billion dollars, he’d have done normal wrestling. He only did ECW because he knew that in order to get a following with what he had, he had to supply the market with something that WWF and WCW weren’t giving people. Give him money and that goes away.
This may be one of the best "what if" wrestling questions/scenarios I've ever heard. Would love to see people send Jim more scenarios like this and have him give his opinion. Like, what if business never went down for Crockett/JCP in 88, they never had to sell to Turner, and Crockett continued running the company at least to the mid-90s?
When I saw the title of the video, I assumed Paul Heyman had recently claimed that his father was a billionaire in the 90s and someone was asking jim to fact-check Paul.
Heyman did say he was looking good into drifting away from hardcore matches. He wanted to go more into a worked mma style. So… maybe it’d be something like Josh Barnett’s bloodsport.
Paul Heyman's major issue really was management, money was the obvious factor but I don't think Heyman would've done great with billions of daddy's dollars. Unless of course, he hired some great political and management minded people who would look after behind the scenes stuff for him. He is one of the greatest storytellers ever, when it comes to wrestling characters and storylines but there's a LOT more to it behind the scenes as well.
When people ask that question they probably think of modern day Paul Heyman, the "storyteller", when they would probably get Paul E Dangerously snorting dust and sending his guys with shopping carts and chainsaws to the ring.
Paul Heyman is a completely different person than he was back then, he's said it himself several times, I feel like the Paul Heyman of today was the son of a billionaire back in the 90s he would have blown WWE out of the water, Paul got more mature and wiser and Vince got more immature with age
Public Enemy wasn't the first to jump. Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Sabu (temporarily) all made the move before them. But I believe all those guys were also working dates for New Japan, which had a relationship with WCW, and WCW used that to their advantage.
ECW wouldn't be ECW if it had money, the narrative doesn't work if they have more money than WCW or the WWF. I suppose it would depend on if he got TV. An adult-oriented promotion with actual talent, filmed in real arenas with a proper camera crew, would have been interesting.
Paul turned ECW from Eastern Championship Wrestling to Extreme Championship Wrestling because they needed to stand out and be different just to get attention. If Paul had big money, he likely doesn't bother with ECW. He'd either create his own company or buy up WCW before Ted Turner got ahold of it...
I think if had TK money, Heyman wouldn't have done as much as he did on his own. He would have delegated more as far as the business side, focused on talent and creative and ECW would have lasted a hell of a lot longer
ECW and RUclips precovid NWA both proved you can make a far better promotion with limited funds than AEW. What Heyman needed wasnt a billionaire dad, he needed a heavy investor to come in and help ecw get/keep talent so they could be more marketable for TV deals.
He would have kept been able to keep Aystin which would have been a huge difference in wrestling history. WCW may have out WWE out of business without Austin.
Money doesn't change behavior. He just would have had bigger bills he dodged. A creative savant, top tier performer, an undoubted eye for talent and how to use it but obviously he wasn't a business man.
With that kind of budget, Heyman might have relied a lot less on hardcore wrestlers that couldn't work a straight match. He could also have held on to guys like Steve Austin, Cactus Jack, Shane Douglas. He likely still would have gone with a more adult product but wouldn't have needed to push things as far as he did. He would have got national distribution before WWF and WCW could start to imitate his presentation. In having the money to lock in his talent, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio might not have gone to WCW to make up the cruiserweight division. And while Paul might have still had poor business acumen, he knew what talent were worth, unlike Tony Khan. Even if he went spend crazy it wouldn't have mattered.
I highly doubt Daddy Khan is spending money like that. Billionaires don't have 1 billion dollars and they don't go in their pockets to keep funding stuff after the initial investment. The business is sustaining the business. Not a TK fan, but it's anazing the people think Billionaires assets are liquid cash.
If Paul Heyman had a limited amounts of money, he probably would have done better. Maybe he would have bought out WCW. People probably wouldn't see a Stone Cold because Paul Heyman probably wouldn't pick him up from WCW because he was probably getting better guys if he had the money. Probably a few other guys if Paul didn't grab them . Would he still be around with a ECW? Who knows. It's not about the money as well as how you produce and run the company as well. If you can do that and have the money resource then you can't go too far. Look at WCW. They had the money but poor management
He would have started his own ppv streaming service, after being kicked off tv. Eventually brought in a russo, had ppv porn before everyone else. And be running the largest hardcore porn and wrestling show on earth.
Paul wasn't nearly intelligent 'to the business ' then as he is now also.!!! Completely off topic but i just saw Sebastian Bach get shitfaced & try to sing at Freedom Hall in JC !!! Dude is NUTS.!!
A Equally Dumb Would Be What If UFC Did a Cross Promotional Skit with South Park If that'd happened I'd roll over In Laughter and we did have Chuck Liddell Voice Himself on The Simpsons this would've done gangbuster ratings on Spike TV I just know It too would be funnier than WWE too during that PG Era talk about Cringe
Heyman was a bad business man, but kept his company running longer than Jim did. Paul is a better wrestling mind, and can't be much worse than Cornette on the business side.
Jim kept people paid, and knew to pull the pin while there was still money left. I'd say that's better business then ripping off everyone involved and going bankrupt.
@@canedust Jim also wouldn't pay anyone a dollar more than the least he could get away with, which is financially prudent and may seem like good business sense keeping balanced books - but there can be a pennywise and poundfoolish lesson to be learned. One thing stubborn boomers (for lack of a better term) will do is refuse to accept the reality of inflation, and if you do that running a business you are 10 years behind if you aren't ahead of it already. That is how anyone who doesn't get with the times gets run out of business, thinking they can keep the "regular customers" happy by freezing prices in 1975 dollars.
So hyped that he answered my question! I should've added that if they think Heyman would've been as innovative with a huge budget. A big part of what made ECW special is the fact he only had a shoestring budget and he had to do the best with what he had.
Heck yeah! I’ve tried a bunch of times but no luck.
First thing is he wouldnt go into wrestling
Paul Heyman would be in prison for embezzlement if he had access to that type of money
I feel like if Paul Heyman had been given access to hundreds of millions of dollars he wouldn't have gone into wrestling. He would've found the most creative and morally dubious way of turning a quarter million into $5 billion.
Or vice versa more likely
So he would be the Republican candidate ;).
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@@Hyde_HillI can see him being mayor or governor somewhere.
Lol my first thought was "there's no way in hell Paul Heyman would be in wrestling if he was that rich"
Heyman with unlimited capital? He'd be dead or in prison.
His mom would have had TWO pawn shops.
If he was facing prison, The Wiseman would've pulled out the walker and oxygen tank in the courtroom and demand a trial by combat...
this is a really funny but clever question. people should give jim more what if scenarios to analyze
Image how different the landscape would be if a good booker like Heyman in the 90’s or Sapolsky in the 00’s had the connections and unlimited funds Tony Khan has now. 🤯
Good booker, terrible business man.
Most people are only good at one or the other. It's not necessarily about not knowing how to spend or who to pay it's more about showing restraint and saying no. Saying no and showing restraint means being the bad guy to some. You're already the bad guy to some because you're the booker so add being the money guy.
Vince knew enough to hire a talent relations person that would say no for him.
With what we've seen with Tony Khan, money is not always a quick fix for your problems. Cornette and Heyman, despite their limited budget, were able to make their mark in wrestling. A lack of capital forces you to solve your problems in creative ways. Being at the bottom makes you hungry. It drives you to stand out among the crowd. Tony was born on 3rd base and still manages to screw it up.
Well said
I've stated this elsewhere, so I'll try to summarize:
Heyman gets trashed for "being bad at business" and when ECW folded, he was $8 million in the hole from the life of the company since it was rebranded from Eastern Championship Wrestling to the Extreme Championship Wrestling everyone had come to know. And that's not taking into account his story about the supposed PPV money he was owed which would have lessened the debt by about half... let's just keep it at "worst case".
However, for perspective, when Dixie Carter was in charge of TNA, she lost that in a single year of operation and continued to operate. Tony Khan has pissed that away in a month (which I originally said as a joke, but then a few months later, some recipts appeared online that were pretty wild... especially for the mid-tier caliber show it was).
Makes him seem like significantly less of a screw-up keeping that organization held together by duct tape, wishes, luck, and slick talking all while being as hot as it was for a number of years.
ECW Dynamite...Wednesday Nights...TBS!!!
What a great question sent in honestly 🤣
Maybe if they'd check their email once in a while we'd get some more
Would have either put WWE out of business (and rolled it into ECW), or gone to Federal Prison for trying to be a modern day Caligula.
He’d have been sued into bankruptcy for all the stuff that happened in ecw on a larger scale. Damaged fans cars, a fan getting burned by a towel that was in fire that flew into the audience, the mass transit incident alone would have done him in
I love wresting hypothetical questions!
Paul E with an unlimited budget for ECW back then is a terrifying thought 😂
He would’ve bought every kendo stick in America
It's an awesome thought
He coulda started by paying his wrestlers and his staff 😂😂
Paul with that kind of money would basically be The Penguin from “Batman Returns”
lol!! That was good 😂
If Paul Heyman had a billion dollars, he’d have done normal wrestling. He only did ECW because he knew that in order to get a following with what he had, he had to supply the market with something that WWF and WCW weren’t giving people. Give him money and that goes away.
This may be one of the best "what if" wrestling questions/scenarios I've ever heard. Would love to see people send Jim more scenarios like this and have him give his opinion.
Like, what if business never went down for Crockett/JCP in 88, they never had to sell to Turner, and Crockett continued running the company at least to the mid-90s?
I honestly think someone asked that years ago and he actually answered it. It was similar to that anyways.
What if Iron Sheik break that Hollywood Blond Jabroni's leg?
ECW has a larger than life legend - which dismisses the problems that became an avalanche of carny incompetence.
When I saw the title of the video, I assumed Paul Heyman had recently claimed that his father was a billionaire in the 90s and someone was asking jim to fact-check Paul.
Heyman did say he was looking good into drifting away from hardcore matches. He wanted to go more into a worked mma style. So… maybe it’d be something like Josh Barnett’s bloodsport.
Brian is picking these questions just to see what art Travis makes at this point. 😂
Paul Heyman's major issue really was management, money was the obvious factor but I don't think Heyman would've done great with billions of daddy's dollars. Unless of course, he hired some great political and management minded people who would look after behind the scenes stuff for him. He is one of the greatest storytellers ever, when it comes to wrestling characters and storylines but there's a LOT more to it behind the scenes as well.
When people ask that question they probably think of modern day Paul Heyman, the "storyteller", when they would probably get Paul E Dangerously snorting dust and sending his guys with shopping carts and chainsaws to the ring.
Paul Heyman is a completely different person than he was back then, he's said it himself several times, I feel like the Paul Heyman of today was the son of a billionaire back in the 90s he would have blown WWE out of the water, Paul got more mature and wiser and Vince got more immature with age
Used to watch Smoky Mountain Wrestling every Saturday night at 12:30 am right after WCW Worldwide.Good times :)
Only a billion? As much as he owed people? LoL 😂😅😂 Might need 2 billion with all the promises and guarantees he made and that's ECW as it was 😅😂😅
Public Enemy wasn't the first to jump. Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, and Sabu (temporarily) all made the move before them. But I believe all those guys were also working dates for New Japan, which had a relationship with WCW, and WCW used that to their advantage.
ECW wouldn't be ECW if it had money, the narrative doesn't work if they have more money than WCW or the WWF. I suppose it would depend on if he got TV. An adult-oriented promotion with actual talent, filmed in real arenas with a proper camera crew, would have been interesting.
The best question !!
I bet somehow Tommy Dreamer and Bubba Dudley would still have been boxing up t-shirts fans ordered from ECW.
LMAO what a great fucking question TBH 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Emoji spamming trash.
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasomameh.
*Can you folks at home spot the Boomer commenter?* 😃
@@BuckyDStickmanLMAO what?
How you do anything is how you do everything. Same outcome
Paul turned ECW from Eastern Championship Wrestling to Extreme Championship Wrestling because they needed to stand out and be different just to get attention. If Paul had big money, he likely doesn't bother with ECW. He'd either create his own company or buy up WCW before Ted Turner got ahold of it...
I think if had TK money, Heyman wouldn't have done as much as he did on his own. He would have delegated more as far as the business side, focused on talent and creative and ECW would have lasted a hell of a lot longer
ECW and RUclips precovid NWA both proved you can make a far better promotion with limited funds than AEW. What Heyman needed wasnt a billionaire dad, he needed a heavy investor to come in and help ecw get/keep talent so they could be more marketable for TV deals.
I'm worried that these questions are getting too specific...
Lol when's the last time the show had more than 2 questions with all the aew review
It.would have been the same. ECW would have burn itself out and TV wasn't going to deal with that type of programming
Heyman has his finger on the pulse so he definitely listens to Jim. I wonder what he makes of Jim’s usually nice comments about him.
IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WRESTLING WAS DOWN 1991 TO 1997/1998 SO YOU WOULD HAVE WASTED YOUR MONEY.
He would have kept been able to keep Aystin which would have been a huge difference in wrestling history. WCW may have out WWE out of business without Austin.
The Rock would’ve put WCW out of business
If Paul Heyman had a billionaire, WCW and TNA might not be the top two money wasters in professional wrestling history.
If paul e had access to a billion in the 90s, i have one question.
Would he have paid the boys?
They could have gotten out of that bingo hall
Money doesn't change behavior. He just would have had bigger bills he dodged.
A creative savant, top tier performer, an undoubted eye for talent and how to use it but obviously he wasn't a business man.
Yeh but I think ECW, certainly at its heart or core, wouldn't have changed much as far as presentation and production style I humbly say
If you want to have billions of usd, then you need investors.
With that kind of budget, Heyman might have relied a lot less on hardcore wrestlers that couldn't work a straight match. He could also have held on to guys like Steve Austin, Cactus Jack, Shane Douglas. He likely still would have gone with a more adult product but wouldn't have needed to push things as far as he did. He would have got national distribution before WWF and WCW could start to imitate his presentation. In having the money to lock in his talent, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio might not have gone to WCW to make up the cruiserweight division.
And while Paul might have still had poor business acumen, he knew what talent were worth, unlike Tony Khan. Even if he went spend crazy it wouldn't have mattered.
If I had a billion dollars I would have gave it to Paul Heyman, and tell him to make me 2 billion
Heyman would still find a way to go bust
I highly doubt Daddy Khan is spending money like that. Billionaires don't have 1 billion dollars and they don't go in their pockets to keep funding stuff after the initial investment. The business is sustaining the business. Not a TK fan, but it's anazing the people think Billionaires assets are liquid cash.
ecw wouldn't have been as special with a large budget imo
Would he have made ecw if he had all of that money?
If Paul Heyman had a limited amounts of money, he probably would have done better. Maybe he would have bought out WCW. People probably wouldn't see a Stone Cold because Paul Heyman probably wouldn't pick him up from WCW because he was probably getting better guys if he had the money. Probably a few other guys if Paul didn't grab them . Would he still be around with a ECW? Who knows. It's not about the money as well as how you produce and run the company as well. If you can do that and have the money resource then you can't go too far. Look at WCW. They had the money but poor management
He would have started his own ppv streaming service, after being kicked off tv. Eventually brought in a russo, had ppv porn before everyone else. And be running the largest hardcore porn and wrestling show on earth.
Paul E. Dolleryessly.
Paul
Paul wasn't nearly intelligent 'to the business ' then as he is now also.!!! Completely off topic but i just saw Sebastian Bach get shitfaced & try to sing at Freedom Hall in JC !!! Dude is NUTS.!!
He would be the one buying Turner
Brian Last weird insistance that the children of billionares arent also billionares is so detached from reality
hardcore prons with Sable
He would have kept Eddie, Benoit Jericho and Austin
A Equally Dumb Would Be What If UFC Did a Cross Promotional Skit with South Park If that'd happened I'd roll over In Laughter and we did have Chuck Liddell Voice Himself on The Simpsons this would've done gangbuster ratings on Spike TV I just know It too would be funnier than WWE too during that PG Era talk about Cringe
Stupid ass Facebook group
This show is becoming insufferable fast
Heyman was a bad business man, but kept his company running longer than Jim did. Paul is a better wrestling mind, and can't be much worse than Cornette on the business side.
Jim kept people paid, and knew to pull the pin while there was still money left. I'd say that's better business then ripping off everyone involved and going bankrupt.
@@canedust Jim also wouldn't pay anyone a dollar more than the least he could get away with, which is financially prudent and may seem like good business sense keeping balanced books - but there can be a pennywise and poundfoolish lesson to be learned. One thing stubborn boomers (for lack of a better term) will do is refuse to accept the reality of inflation, and if you do that running a business you are 10 years behind if you aren't ahead of it already. That is how anyone who doesn't get with the times gets run out of business, thinking they can keep the "regular customers" happy by freezing prices in 1975 dollars.
Ecw vs better than smw
Extremely crappie wrestling was not better than Smoky Mountain Wrestling
"Better" at what? Screwing and killing its talent?