Part of the appeal was the fact they were suppose to be limited to 500 sets, since I don't think that's the case anymore, it would be hard to justify the cost. A lot of great irons out there that are good at half the cost.
I agree that the deviation in spin was very impressive, especially with the variety of strike locations whether it was center or low. Additionally the comparison map on the range was very tight with respect to dispersion. The price is up there...but this is golf real golf club innovation coming to the general public that is typically reserved for the prototypes given to pros to test..
This is the future and it starts with a very pretty players distance type iron (as Ian said right on the border between players distance and normal players iron). For me this is a competitor to the i530, P770 and maybe Mizuno 243 or 245 and similar. I love the fact that Cobra have finally listened to buyers and stopped using the back of the club as a cluttered advertising billboard for all the tech brand names. IMO there will always be a place for forged clubs probably players small cavity back irons will always be forged but I can see over the longer term 3d printing developing in 2 ways. There will be mass marketed 3d irons that within 5 years will be cheaper to produce that traditional forged or cast irons. But there will also be a premium market, where every iron is personalised for the particular customer not just on loft lies but also sole width, placing of tungsten etc. - could make fitting an even longer and more involved process than currently! Kudos to Cobra for this development, that is real innovation - and not for the first time from Cobra - rather than, as so often happens, manufacturers simply recycling old ideas with incremental improvements
In addition to the customization possibilities, I am curious to see how brands incorporate this process into clubs that are unapologetically "game improvement" clubs. I mean, if you can use this tech to make a small player's club more forgiving, how forgiving can you potentially make a 3D-printed club the size of something like a G430, where you aren't limiting yourself to the smaller footprint?
I think what I am impressed by is the consitency it gives. Less than 200 standard deviation in spin across that span of clubs is impressive. 2 yards of standard deviation on carry, and the 4 iron landed in the same spot each time which I think is pretty rare on the longer irons.
Hi Ian. I play zx7 mkII with project x 6.0 LZ. Want to make the change to graphite. I ordered the cobra irons with steel fiber FC 95 because I was rushing to get them ordered. Think I messed up on the shaft any recs would be appreciated. I know you get a ton of questions but wanted to ask the best. Thanks
Would be interesting maybe to revisit testing these with someone who experiences more of the face with their ball striking. Maybe compare them using those and the DarkSpeed irons. Keeping the offerings of the same brand but comparing the forgiveness characteristics and maybe talking about the trade offs of going real game improvement vs these. Ball flight changes or standard deviations and spin windows. Curious if a more mortal swinger/striker might show some more tangible differences and if they would benefit from the forgiveness and retain more ball speed from a lesser sole going through the turf too. Cheers, lads.
People don’t give cobra enough credit. Their cb/mb irons are some of the best feeling out there, their drivers are consistently some of the fastest and longest, fairways metals are highly underrated by casual golfers. Do they have some areas to improve on? Yes? But overall they are always producing top quality equipment but don’t have the public love that tm and Callaway do from the amount of pros using their clubs
Do they print the tungsten into the iron as well? Or is the shell printed, tungsten placed and then the shell gets laser welded together? I see a cool custom future on the horizon. Get your check book ready.
As somebody with an inside connection with Cobra R&D I know what the future of these are and it's absolutely exciting. I am SO proud/excited/thrilled for the Cobra dev team that these seem pretty universally well received. It would be easy enough for cynics to dismiss this as a gimmick if they didn't perform well/feel well/etc but it's so great that through all the tech focus they ultimately are a great performing iron and do what they say they do. Anybody want to venmo me 3 grand? lol
There are just too many good DTC clubs out there to pay that kind of money, unless you are a collector! I have the PXG 0211 xcor2 reg. set very nice looks, feel, flight, etc. I also have a set of Ben Hogan Apex Edge forged set stiff. Interesting! Thanks folks
Congratulations to Cobra for being the 1st to mass market. Unfortunately this will force the big three to step up and do it better, faster, cheaper leaving Cobra to be a footnote in history.
There would have been extensive conversation between both parties before they parted ways. I get the feeling Cobra tech guys couldn't keep up with the ideas that roll around in Bryson's mind 😂
what part of the iron is 3d printed? How is this different than the hollow irons (PXG, I530, P790 etc) that remove weight to be repositioned with Tungsten? Help me to appreciate the technology beyond the "3D printing" marketing buzzword.
I have to laugh at people talking about grass getting to the lattice on the back. If you are hacking that much turf that you are getting grass and or dirt that high on the back of your irons, you have bigger issues.
@@cwugrad396 It isn’t open there. It is only exposing a couple layers to show the structure. How are you getting dirt and grass that high up the back of the club??? Wipe off your irons. Edit to add: I have found new and many ways to creatively hit poor shots during my life and haven’t had grass or mud that high on the back side of the iron. If I did have poor conditions like muddy or wet conditions, just toweled off the iron before putting it back in the bag. Just genuine curiosity, not picking on you. Could see the front of the iron face getting turf as it is the side to go deeper into the turf rather than the back of the club. I am more on the inspect and clean my iron before I put it back in the bag spectrum. Just legitimately don’t see the scenario. Cheers. Hit ‘em straight.
@@BrentNinedorf i was parodying what people said about mud getting into the irons bc of the lattice on the back. it’s clearly just for show only. there is no way cobra would make fishnet irons where garbage can seep into the clubs. can’t understand why people think they would. i know some irons have an undercut in the back but even then they can be cleaned out with effort and there is no way debris can get into the iron.
Just like all tech in golf, it couldnt be that insane of performance otherwise they wouldnt be allowed by the PGA. Its cool dont get me wrong, but you still gotta swing the club solid to get a solid shot. Meh, golf tech is pretty close to the pinnacle imo
So they are printed and not forged, yet still only available in right hand. 3D printers can do a mirror mode and print a few lefty sets for zero dollars.
Being in the dental industry and an dental and golf geek for 40 years, we do 3d printing inhouse since 2016 dental models from digital scans from patients teeth.... SLM printed cobalt chroom and directly laser melted the metal. Overall 3d printing in our business for dental crowns isn't (yet) that precise compared to CNC milled. But that's not an issue for golfclubs. The product to market time (Rapid type protocasting) and indiividualisation has much more to offer icw the positioning of mass, cg and influencing / controling MOI. Great insights.... ruclips.net/video/EvWBNveAdfo/видео.html
Imagine the future where a fitter could order a set literally built for your swing. Everything about them could be changed for a fraction of the cost of a traditional club. In 10-15 years every golfer could have a bespoke set.
Sadly I would like to all mis hit, player error and deviation to see the real effectiveness of the forgiveness in the irons.. only best shot chosen doesn’t tell me anything about this irons
I'm curious about the potential benefits of 3D printing an iron. While it currently seems like a gimmick, this technology could offer significant advantages in the future. I just can’t see what it is now.
I am glad I didn’t buy into this game improvement hype … I will stick with forged blades However the tech is revolutionary.. the possibilities which many have mentioned could be game changing..
3D printed metals inherently have lots of accumulated stress in the metal...weak-points like that in a complex lattice-structure in the inherently shock-experiencing head of an iron is not a good combination for longevity...as i understand, to remove this stress from manufacture the metal must be heated to nearly melt-point and exposed to very-very-very high pressures...basically forging the metal to relive stresses. does cobra stress-relieve these heads? $3K for a set of irons...they certainly should be!
i was tempted to buy a set but alas my ass don’t wake up in time to purchase them at 530am. c’mon Cobra. that’s some cold shit right there. how about 10am
I’m sorry I don’t care how much technology is put into them if they don’t figure out how to start going down in price instead of up these companies are going to kill the game and industry
Why is the cost so much higher, because they can ,or it cost Cobra more to produce?? Golf equipment is way out of line already, but ill say Cobras been pretty fair with pricing thru out the years, just an example, the Ping G430 10K $ 699 as a standard buy off the rack, come on Golf companies get a grip, so unfair to the customer. upgraded shaft were looking over a thousand for 1 club, not cool , shame on the greed.
@crisantechris yeah thanks, I get it ,bit it's just getting a bit out of hand, I love beautiful golf clubs no doubt, and I probably would buy these, but it's alot of cash for 7 to 8 irons. I've purchase a couple sets of Muira irons , absolutely beautiful craftsmanship.
@crisantechris yeah man just a side note I just picked up the new Ben Hogan PTX tours , unbelievable clubs, beautiful feel, looks, and performance. idk a little over a grand. highly recommend
@@garrysutcliffe6254 There were proto's made 5 years ago by different people. One is now a company. There have been building them in Japan for a while as well.
Cobra has also been making them for several years. Ricky has had some like his wedges, Bryson had some even. They just weren't marketed because they didn't sell them. They are the 1st to be commercially available.
@@drewdaigle3041 you can buy them from multiple 3rd party sellers. But either way, aren't these supposed to just be honest reviews? You're implying they have an ulterior motive
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Cobra has killed it with the shaping and look of their irons lately.
Agreed
@@ianfrasergolfI get comments all the time on people thinking my Cobra Forged Tec irons are blades.. I love the look of most of the 2020+ lineup
I have last year's CB/MBs in 5-Gw and last year's king tour in 4i, so good looking
Been playing mine for 3 weeks now. Averaging 13 greens hit over the last three rounds.
They feel and look incredible, with massive forgiveness.
Do you think they are worth the $3000 price tag?
Part of the appeal was the fact they were suppose to be limited to 500 sets, since I don't think that's the case anymore, it would be hard to justify the cost. A lot of great irons out there that are good at half the cost.
I agree that the deviation in spin was very impressive, especially with the variety of strike locations whether it was center or low. Additionally the comparison map on the range was very tight with respect to dispersion. The price is up there...but this is golf real golf club innovation coming to the general public that is typically reserved for the prototypes given to pros to test..
Can't wait to see a real consumer offering. Been designing 3D model golf clubs as a learning tool in CAD for years now.
This is the future and it starts with a very pretty players distance type iron (as Ian said right on the border between players distance and normal players iron). For me this is a competitor to the i530, P770 and maybe Mizuno 243 or 245 and similar.
I love the fact that Cobra have finally listened to buyers and stopped using the back of the club as a cluttered advertising billboard for all the tech brand names.
IMO there will always be a place for forged clubs probably players small cavity back irons will always be forged but I can see over the longer term 3d printing developing in 2 ways. There will be mass marketed 3d irons that within 5 years will be cheaper to produce that traditional forged or cast irons. But there will also be a premium market, where every iron is personalised for the particular customer not just on loft lies but also sole width, placing of tungsten etc. - could make fitting an even longer and more involved process than currently!
Kudos to Cobra for this development, that is real innovation - and not for the first time from Cobra - rather than, as so often happens, manufacturers simply recycling old ideas with incremental improvements
In addition to the customization possibilities, I am curious to see how brands incorporate this process into clubs that are unapologetically "game improvement" clubs. I mean, if you can use this tech to make a small player's club more forgiving, how forgiving can you potentially make a 3D-printed club the size of something like a G430, where you aren't limiting yourself to the smaller footprint?
Hearing Yags talk about the possibilities is exciting. These are a great start.
I think what I am impressed by is the consitency it gives. Less than 200 standard deviation in spin across that span of clubs is impressive. 2 yards of standard deviation on carry, and the 4 iron landed in the same spot each time which I think is pretty rare on the longer irons.
nothing to do with the players ability.
This is the future for sure can't wait to see where this goes in the next 5 years!
Ordered a set. Excited to get them.
Awesome!!
Hi Ian. I play zx7 mkII with project x 6.0 LZ. Want to make the change to graphite. I ordered the cobra irons with steel fiber FC 95 because I was rushing to get them ordered. Think I messed up on the shaft any recs would be appreciated. I know you get a ton of questions but wanted to ask the best. Thanks
Nice! You’ll probably have set 11,457 of 500 😂
If you ordered a set of 3D printed irons, I'm sure you can afford a fitting to get this question answered...
@@FrostiDonutsunfortunately I didn’t have time for a fitting since I had a small window to order and change.
Would be interesting maybe to revisit testing these with someone who experiences more of the face with their ball striking. Maybe compare them using those and the DarkSpeed irons. Keeping the offerings of the same brand but comparing the forgiveness characteristics and maybe talking about the trade offs of going real game improvement vs these. Ball flight changes or standard deviations and spin windows. Curious if a more mortal swinger/striker might show some more tangible differences and if they would benefit from the forgiveness and retain more ball speed from a lesser sole going through the turf too.
Cheers, lads.
Can you do a iron comparison of the cobra 3d model to a titleist iron model
How do they compare in terms of head size and profile to the Taylormade P770?
People don’t give cobra enough credit. Their cb/mb irons are some of the best feeling out there, their drivers are consistently some of the fastest and longest, fairways metals are highly underrated by casual golfers. Do they have some areas to improve on? Yes? But overall they are always producing top quality equipment but don’t have the public love that tm and Callaway do from the amount of pros using their clubs
With them exposing some of the lattice structure, is there not a concern of water/dirt/mud getting into the club head?
iirc it's just for display on the exposed part and there's no issue of anything actually getting into the clubhead
Perhaps, that was a concern of mine.
It's just aesthetic
It's just there for show and not the inside of the iron.
I would like to know how this iron stacks up with the new TM 770's,
I knew you guys would do a review of those babies, great video like always ! 👌🏽
Always been a fan of Cobra. Looking forward to the new Titleist driver reviews!
LFG! Stoked for these
Where you at? Not sure I can get away from work and play a round today, but if you’re looking for a group, sign me up!
@@I_Luv_Ma_Squad 😂😂😂 you just let me know!
King Tour vs Print3d, please 🙏🏻
Are these as bendable as normal forged irons ?
Yes, no issue there.
Curious if the durability of the club would be affected
Do they print the tungsten into the iron as well? Or is the shell printed, tungsten placed and then the shell gets laser welded together? I see a cool custom future on the horizon. Get your check book ready.
What's the strength like? Would you build a hammer from 3D print?
Have you ever tested any of Maltby’s clubs? I’ve seen so really good reviews! Thanks guys
I am interested in the seeing the 3-D driving iron that will follow.
Giw did they get the powder out of the inside of these is my question. That's as much a feat as just making the clubs
These look stunning. Might be a pain to clean any mud out of the back lattice, but stunning nonetheless!
Q: Does the tungsten pull strike down the face somehow (dynamically)? Unusually consistent low strikes on the wedge
Cool concept, looks decent. I wonder if there is any adjustability or what you get is what you got?
As somebody with an inside connection with Cobra R&D I know what the future of these are and it's absolutely exciting. I am SO proud/excited/thrilled for the Cobra dev team that these seem pretty universally well received. It would be easy enough for cynics to dismiss this as a gimmick if they didn't perform well/feel well/etc but it's so great that through all the tech focus they ultimately are a great performing iron and do what they say they do.
Anybody want to venmo me 3 grand? lol
Reminds me of t150 except for the lattice middle
How is the 3D printing in regards to adjusting lofts and lies? Like forged? or like cast?
Stunning
Wont dirt and sand build up inside the club head with those lil holes?
Is the weight lower with the 3d head compared to a similar standard technology head that provides the same forgiveness performance
No head weight is the same, it's the distribution of weight that has changed.
Looks super nice and tecky,
but how could i clean this 3D Printed section? 🤔😅
On a positive front, this should bring back club manufacturing to the USA!
The standard deviation on the 4 iron is insane.
Interesting to think about the future of club design when manufacturing is no longer limited to traditional construction and design practices.
There are just too many good DTC clubs out there to pay that kind of money, unless you are a collector! I have the PXG 0211 xcor2 reg. set very nice looks, feel, flight, etc. I also have a set of Ben Hogan Apex Edge forged set stiff. Interesting! Thanks folks
correct and this is why it will fail....to many other much less expensive that gets better numbers
Congratulations to Cobra for being the 1st to mass market. Unfortunately this will force the big three to step up and do it better, faster, cheaper leaving Cobra to be a footnote in history.
Yes I agree, this feel like a moment in club design history where we will remember these irons as groundbreaking.
Interesting that both Bryson and Cobra have 3D printed irons. Even though they have separated.
There would have been extensive conversation between both parties before they parted ways.
I get the feeling Cobra tech guys couldn't keep up with the ideas that roll around in Bryson's mind 😂
Weren't Avoda irons the first?
Their irons that are out in the market aren't 3d printed. Bryson used them and their resources to 3d print his set
Hey guys, I'm going to Club Champion in Hartford, Connecticut. I'm 71 years old with moderate swing speed . What clubs should I try out ?
The hope here is that 3D printing can bring the cost down in the long run. Lower cost = more clubs in hands
so basically forged tec but way more forgiving vertically on the face......exactly what i need.
And smaller profile!
These are cool and all but I’ll stick with my $650 Takomo 301 combo set
For me, that spin on a 7iron is 2 low I would want it at around 7k
what part of the iron is 3d printed? How is this different than the hollow irons (PXG, I530, P790 etc) that remove weight to be repositioned with Tungsten? Help me to appreciate the technology beyond the "3D printing" marketing buzzword.
If these weren’t insanely expensive I’d probs buy a set, hopefully there’s a more realistic set that’s a similar design soon
I have to laugh at people talking about grass getting to the lattice on the back. If you are hacking that much turf that you are getting grass and or dirt that high on the back of your irons, you have bigger issues.
oh but dirt will get inside … can’t understand how people think cobra would be so stupid to make an iron where mud and grass get inside the club
@@cwugrad396 It isn’t open there. It is only exposing a couple layers to show the structure. How are you getting dirt and grass that high up the back of the club??? Wipe off your irons.
Edit to add: I have found new and many ways to creatively hit poor shots during my life and haven’t had grass or mud that high on the back side of the iron. If I did have poor conditions like muddy or wet conditions, just toweled off the iron before putting it back in the bag. Just genuine curiosity, not picking on you. Could see the front of the iron face getting turf as it is the side to go deeper into the turf rather than the back of the club. I am more on the inspect and clean my iron before I put it back in the bag spectrum. Just legitimately don’t see the scenario. Cheers. Hit ‘em straight.
@@BrentNinedorf i was parodying what people said about mud getting into the irons bc of the lattice on the back. it’s clearly just for show only. there is no way cobra would make fishnet irons where garbage can seep into the clubs. can’t understand why people think they would. i know some irons have an undercut in the back but even then they can be cleaned out with effort and there is no way debris can get into the iron.
@@cwugrad396 Oh, now I am reading your reply with that take. Got it now. Haha. Cheers.
Just like all tech in golf, it couldnt be that insane of performance otherwise they wouldnt be allowed by the PGA. Its cool dont get me wrong, but you still gotta swing the club solid to get a solid shot. Meh, golf tech is pretty close to the pinnacle imo
If there’s only 500 then how does every golf influencer have a set? 😂
and they are all laser engraved with 1 of 500 and not a unique number.
@@mlfpv7025 I think that's just the promo video that says 1 of 500, Ive seen other youtubers with higher numbers
Right!!!.
They are press sets. They are separate from the limited run of 500
Probably because this won't be a one and done deal. Cobra will trickle these out more and more with time.
Olson Forks
So they are printed and not forged, yet still only available in right hand. 3D printers can do a mirror mode and print a few lefty sets for zero dollars.
Disappointed the 7iron is so strong, 45* pw is okay you’d expect 33* 7iron 31 is a bit of a stretch in my opinion
Wish i had $3000 USD to spare😂 bought the original 2020 Forged Tec in One length and they where awesome.
Wish i never sold them on.
Being in the dental industry and an dental and golf geek for 40 years, we do 3d printing inhouse since 2016 dental models from digital scans from patients teeth....
SLM printed cobalt chroom and directly laser melted the metal. Overall 3d printing in our business for dental crowns isn't (yet) that precise compared to CNC milled. But that's not an issue for golfclubs. The product to market time (Rapid type protocasting) and indiividualisation has much more to offer icw the positioning of mass, cg and influencing / controling MOI. Great insights.... ruclips.net/video/EvWBNveAdfo/видео.html
Imagine the future where a fitter could order a set literally built for your swing. Everything about them could be changed for a fraction of the cost of a traditional club. In 10-15 years every golfer could have a bespoke set.
All sorts of possibilities open up with 3D printing.
They're just irons, though. If we could get fairway metals 3d printed "just for me," that'd be something 😂
3-5 years tops
95 mph 7 iron, someone’s been in the gym.
Sadly I would like to all mis hit, player error and deviation to see the real effectiveness of the forgiveness in the irons.. only best shot chosen doesn’t tell me anything about this irons
3,000 !!!wow !!! …. Mizuno set for half the price or takomo even less forged ones , I’m good with those 😁
I'm curious about the potential benefits of 3D printing an iron. While it currently seems like a gimmick, this technology could offer significant advantages in the future. I just can’t see what it is now.
It's not a gimmick and you'll be blown away by what's coming in the near future.
Looks great! But nothing that makes it better than 50 other clubs out there
I am glad I didn’t buy into this game improvement hype … I will stick with forged blades
However the tech is revolutionary.. the possibilities which many have mentioned could be game changing..
Comments section is quite pathetic. Great looking iron though.
3D printed metals inherently have lots of accumulated stress in the metal...weak-points like that in a complex lattice-structure in the inherently shock-experiencing head of an iron is not a good combination for longevity...as i understand, to remove this stress from manufacture the metal must be heated to nearly melt-point and exposed to very-very-very high pressures...basically forging the metal to relive stresses.
does cobra stress-relieve these heads? $3K for a set of irons...they certainly should be!
I get that 3D printing is clever, but so what? The performance doesn’t appear to be any jump in quality
If I had $3k to drop on some irons I’d play them.
i was tempted to buy a set but alas my ass don’t wake up in time to purchase them at 530am. c’mon Cobra. that’s some cold shit right there. how about 10am
Spin rate 8000 😂
this will be a flop in the sales market............gimmick sale and nothing more
They sold out in SECONDS on cobra website.
@@drewdaigle3041 hahah yea all 100 sets...good lord ignorance..........gimmick sale..........wont be long term
I’m sorry I don’t care how much technology is put into them if they don’t figure out how to start going down in price instead of up these companies are going to kill the game and industry
Why is the cost so much higher, because they can ,or it cost Cobra more to produce?? Golf equipment is way out of line already, but ill say Cobras been pretty fair with pricing thru out the years, just an example, the Ping G430 10K $ 699 as a standard buy off the rack, come on Golf companies get a grip, so unfair to the customer. upgraded shaft were looking over a thousand for 1 club, not cool , shame on the greed.
There’s only 500 of these. Not a mass produced set yet. In fact they probably could have sold these for $5-7K and they still would have sold out.
@crisantechris yeah thanks, I get it ,bit it's just getting a bit out of hand, I love beautiful golf clubs no doubt, and I probably would buy these, but it's alot of cash for 7 to 8 irons. I've purchase a couple sets of Muira irons , absolutely beautiful craftsmanship.
@crisantechris yeah man just a side note I just picked up the new Ben Hogan PTX tours , unbelievable clubs, beautiful feel, looks, and performance. idk a little over a grand. highly recommend
They are not the worlds first. Cobra may be the first major manufacturer to bring them to market.
Whose first then
@@garrysutcliffe6254 There were proto's made 5 years ago by different people. One is now a company. There have been building them in Japan for a while as well.
@@giii7599including Cobra, making them for Bryson years ago
Cobra has also been making them for several years. Ricky has had some like his wedges, Bryson had some even. They just weren't marketed because they didn't sell them. They are the 1st to be commercially available.
@@icetrey2468 Doesn't mean they were the first. Cobra was not the first builder of 3D printed irons.
Who cares they are still Cobra, dumbest name in golf. I'll take forged irons everyday over these gimmicks.
You guys seemed underwhelmed by these irons lol
Because they can’t sell them?
@@drewdaigle3041 you can buy them from multiple 3rd party sellers. But either way, aren't these supposed to just be honest reviews? You're implying they have an ulterior motive