Liquid is everything Solid Snake is not, and that choice matters
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Where Snake is in Smash, Liquid is not.
He’s maneuvering the Metal Gear in the Shadow Moses Island Stage tho
@@BlackSalamander439 Where Snake is playable, Liquid is not.
Fun fact: Liquid’s English voice actor voices Male Corrin.
Liquid is pass-
@@yates3815 Ok, that was great.
Kojima IS the dude with no subtlety that tells you he's subtle
I have no idea how people can call kojima subtle. Every one of his villains just can't stop pontificating about the literal themes of his games. I think he's smart, his stories are based on sound research on cultural tendencies, but subtle he ain't.
Subtext is for cowards
There's being subtle, and there's being boldly explicit. That's the appeal of Araki's writing in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
@@synmad3638 Okay Garth Marenghi.
@@synmad3638 That's a very creatively bankrupt mindset.
"Cringe so earnest that it's barely cringe" is sort of the point of Metal Gear as a whole.
Nanomachines, son
Don't kill the part of you that is cringe etc etc
@@imdfox1774THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA
@@khaeilyn2000just like me fr
@@undercookedtoast1479 that is actually wild
I love how it turned out that in the end Liquid thought he was the garbage twin with the scrap DNA when it turns out he was the opposite, and us as the character are playing with Solid Snake, the defect twin. *BUT WE WIN* Liquid pretty much self sabotaged himself because of his perceived fate.
Might also have to do with FoxDIE just a bit
I loved how to hammer home that Liquid was the evil twin, they made him British
South African
@@xaviersantini8176Both, to be technical with it. He spent a decent part of his childhood in the UK, but then he escaped to Africa during the period when MGS:TPP takes place. (Roughly around 1983-1984)
@@xaviersantini8176nah, Cam Clarke was attempting a British accent. Not too many of us sound like that, but it's close enough to RP to work.
@@russfoulkes5490 I’m talking story wise, wasn’t liquid in South Africa
@@xaviersantini8176he grew up in Britain and was taken care by the Patriots then he escaped to Africa at young age. After Mgs V he returned to Britain and became a British intelligence agent
I find it interesting that Liquid almost looks more like a Protagonist than Solid does
nice stolen dumbed down comment
@@steaketc2476 ah yes this is clearly stolen because people can't physically have similar ideas to one another, nope.
Is no one gonna talk about “with his tits out in the Alaskan weather” 😭
No because that's just Liquid being Liquid.
I nearly choked on my gum when he said that
He is right though. Even Wolf stops doing that the next time you fight her lol.
I mean... they _are_ out
@@T2266That's the real hint that Liquid Ocelot was a fraud
I’m sorry I’ve never played metal gear but I can’t believe that the nemesis to solid snake is called *liquid* snake
Where is gas snake
@@treedude4246PLASMA SNAKE
bose-einstein condensate snake
Instead there is just the comparatively-weak
Solidus Snake
I've spent decades with this series and I adore it as a thoughtful amazing saga...
Yet I still giggle at the naming conventions lol.
"Cliche and/or corny, but explored with a lot of earnestness" sums up the best of Metal Gear as a series so well.
This will last for one game...and then will be completely forgotten in the next one with Liquid Ocelot.
Yes and no. Ocelot in the future of the series will dress more "bright and yellow" to remember his "Liquid" counterpart. If I remember correctly he has this opposite colour scheme in all games that he is an opponent but in Big Boss's saga he is more cowboy brown, a color more similar to Big Boss field costume.
It was meant just for MGS, the other games do different things
Which is fitting, since MGS2 has different themes. It deals less with predetermined fate and more with identity and the murky line between reality and fiction. Which is shown with nearly every character having a dual identity, the way they present themselves and who they truly are. Liquid Ocelot is the perfect example of these themes, as the question of his “real” identity is never even answered. At least until MGS4…
@@TibJib9608doesn’t msg2 deal more with predetermined fate?
It is both about predetermined fate but also about identity, specifically because the Patriots want to concoct a campaign so convoluted Raiden will lose his mind and submit to the Patriots (I mean, he does anyways, but with the caveat that he is not being manipulated by the Patriots anymore.). That is, they want Raiden (a person who pretends to be a rookie so that he does not confront his child solider past) to submit to the Patriots entirely, and partially to mock Raiden they put in obstacles that have double identity (Snake is Snake but has to pretend to be Iroquois Plissken, Ocelot assumes the identity of Liquid Snake, all the Dead Cell members have meaning that fit more obscure readings than what their appearances suggest, Olga is just another terrorist in the first chapter but has to pretend to be a cyborg ninja so that she can save her baby, the bomb specialist fakes his limp so that he can hide his past in contributing to the rise of Fatman and dies being outsmarted, and most importantly Roy Campbell is the AI GW impersonating him and Rose, a person whose history is unclear because Raiden never found out about her, is either another AI or was temporarily replaced with AI by the end of MGS2).
something i think is interesting is that liquid almost looks more like an archetypal hero when compared to snake. giving him bright, warm colors and a more casual design offsets the basic-ness of their contrasted designs a little bit
God, can we just all agree that the Metal Gear franchise has had some of the best art in gaming since the get go? Yoji Shinkawa’s style is absolutely perfect and so striking. It oozes style and a hard grit, and I absolutely love it.
Unfortunately for liquid , the “big boss” he dressed as is actually some random combat medic that happened to have the same voice as snake
Well, no, the real big boss also dresses like that in MGS4. That medic guy is just really committed to the role.
@@marche800Correct- and to add to this, he doesn’t even have the same voice, only the same face. The different voice actor was one of the clues that could help people realize the twist.
@@wildweasel4633except big boss in 5 and phantom pain isn’t David hayter, he was expressly replaced so Kojima could bring Sutherland in to replace him.
I’ve heard it’s because he hated hayter, and I’ve also heard it’s because he wanted to be best buds with sutherland, not sure what it was in reality but yeah the voice isn’t a clue in david was just replaced
@fishonmydish7774 I don't think he hated David. He wouldn't have brought him back as often as he had if that were the case. It is true he wanted to be besties with Sutherland though. That was just when Kojima really trying to get in good with the western cinema crows
@@marche800 well it’s not really like he was expressly bringing him back, localization team stuck with his voice for the dub till Kojima took over voice and facial capture for phantom pain and mgs5 supposedly, I also doubt the whole hating Hayder thing but mainly because I think Kojima didn’t care about him in the first place and just replaced him with Hollywood talent.
Which is such a shame, shouldn’t have even replaced him if you’re just going to make venom barely speak the whole game, not like he was better than Hayter to being with (should’ve at least kept Hayter for Big Boss).
Subtlety is a tool for cowards and Kojima is the bravest man who ever lived
"You deny your cliches their purpose!"
- Headache Kojingles
Yeah!! Duality! Black and White! Heads and Tails! It'd be awkward to have a third wheel to this group like who cares about the gray or about the body in between. It would just be a fart in the storytelling.
No wonder we never got Gassy Snake
Meanwhile Solidus: "Wait, am I the gassy one?"
@@loto8052 This feels like a Last Days of Foxhound punchline
The 3 states of matter:
Solid
Liquid
Solidus
(Honourable mentions: Venom)
@@loto8052 this funny actually because Solidus is basically the inverse inverse of both terms.
Solid=Solid
Liquid=Liquid
Solidus: The highest temperature at which an alloy is solid - where melting begins
Kojima's writing is very "Tropes? You want tropes?! Have _all_ the tropes! ...Now watch me subvert every single one."
"Tits out in Alaskan weather" HELP ME I CAN'T BREATHE
Sniper wolf basically does too.
“Snake! Did you like my sunglasses?”
how was bro even able to see them
@@aijint Nanomachines, son
Liquid!
The series needs to bring back the original liquid snake somehow. Liquids only flaw was the fact he was too comfortable being on top of the food chain which enabled him to underestimate solid snake.
I think Schnee made the point in one of his videos that it doesn’t matter if a certain character or plot beat conforms to a trope to an extreme degree, as long as it is well justified and works in the context of the story: as long as it’s done earnestly and resonates with the audience, they won’t care how stereotypical something is
Metal Gear started with a rather cliche "No, I am your father" but wound up delightfully expanding and deepening it in many ways over nearly 20 damn years, it's impressive.
Furthermore, it had that twist twice, no matter if the Big Boss from Metal Gear 1 was Venom Snake or a robot.
Where Snake dies from mostly reasonable things, Liquid needs a super disease and even then it takes a couple of seconds to kill him
Where Liquid cannot handle being normal, Snake would prefer not to be a killer who enjoys killing, vomits when he acts like it, and outside of his time in the MSX2 Metal Gears and his time in Philanthropy do not bother being in the military.
Plus, it's interesting to have the *hero* be dark colors in that duality. If it were truly just cliche, the hero would be clad in light colors, to make them a Warrior Of Light (TM). But instead, they went with wrapping the protagonist in darker colors, if only to sell the sneaky stealthy spy thing, but I still feel like that does something else, for their dynamic.
Furthermore, maybe it is borrowing from 80s movies where the militaristic hero is brooding in a manly way, but it is Liquid that is trying to be heroic - towards his Genome Soldiers, against a world that uses soldiers until they have nothing left to give (albeit by terrorism, but he does note civilian lifestyle leaves soldiers behind like Big Boss left him behind). In a particularly dark heroic fantasy, Liquid would be the hero, but as Metal Gear is grounded governmental spy intrigue, the one who does what needs to be done and nothing more is the hero.
I love these so much. Like these specific metal gear videos of course, it’s probably my favorite series of all time, but more generally just whatever you do. You put a level of thought and care into stuff that blows me away. I hope you know how much you work means to so many of us.
The fact that the two are literally clones of the same guy means that this all makes more sense than usual.
I know absolutely nothing about Metal Gear yet this video made me love Liquid
Give metal gear a chance! It's fun! Liquid is mostly in MGS1 but he's also technically and also technically not in MGS2 and the kid version of him is in MGSV. I'd suggest playing the first game if you wanna learn about him! He's the main antagonist! It's awesome!!
The MGS Master Collection recently released for nearly all systems (except Xbox One for some reason) and even though it may be underwhelming for current/hard-core fans, new fans won't really care about what was or wasn't added because all you'll really care for is experiencing these games for the first time.
He's cool but surprisingly underutilized
Something I noticed about his design in the twin snakes is that it looks like he is only wearing one of his dog tags, which is interesting due to how they work.
Plus Liquid pontificating about how he's ultimately doomed becomes a lot more ironic in retrospect because he got the Dominant Genes of Big Boss and Solid Snake got the recessive genes.
Also, it is funny in that Liquid Snake is doomed, but not in the way he thinks. In the greater scheme of stuff, he was the pawn of a pawn, a person they let George Sears put down to feel emboldened when in fact George Sears was a useful idiot of the Patriots. Furthermore, whatever he did has no lasting effect. He piloted the REX, but all it did was become defeated by Snake and then was used to defeat RAY. Meanwhile, RAY and Arsenal Gear are publicly used again. Soldiers are not perfected by genome therapy, but by embracing cyborg enhancements. Heck, his body was not Big Boss’s double and his plans are a whining while Sears’s plans were actionable (if Rising is canon).
earnestness is basically the one word descrption for all of Kojima
Man I can't wait for the next MGS game where they introduce G a s s n a k e
Quasi-solid Snake
@@PotatoCrashBose-Einstein Condensate Snake
Bose-Einstein Condensate Snake, as is implied by “Bose-Einstein Condensate”, would probably be a person who embodies elements of all Snakes (even Raiden for he was called Snake before he was called Raiden), but also would be a very unstable person/cyborg/Android/etc. who can only function in Metal Gear Solid-like situations (that is, stealth missions with complex alliances and hidden plots), since the Metal Gear Solid’s world default state is constant war and sneaking missions. He would probably be the ultimate status quo representative, and the protagonist would literally work to live their life away from stealth missions and the military, but Bose-Einstein Condensate Snake will keep forcing the protagonist back into that lifestyle, so they have to defeat Bose-Einstein Condensate Snake to get to live a normal life, and accept their life as a civilian as opposed to a military person.
You mean Raiden🤔(not the official one, but think about it. That's because he's been given with the name Snake and later changed into Raiden)
Plasma snake
Just started disc 2 today, I'm so ready to see what more they do with his story
Let us know what you think.
I think 'earnest' is a good way to describe the metal gear solid franchise. It might be convoluted as hell, kinda dumb and nonsensical sometimes and melodramatic in others...
But it also has clear messages and themes it wants to convey, even back in a time when 'politics' was a dirty word for gamers, and it wears its heart on its sleeve. i got a massive soft spot for these games, despite their issues.
Where Snake lives long past his literal expiration date, on a grueling dark path that costs him friends, maybe loved ones, and tragic executive meddling, surviving impossible situations despite all odds... Liquid dies in the same game, he's introduced and never comes back. (Save for echo implant)
Liquid doesn’t even get the ignoble task of being a body double or having the better option that his legacy lives on. The REX was supplanted by RAY (and Arsenal Gear). Gene therapy is not used to created supersoldiers. Liquid’s actions inspired no copycats or caused people to act similar to him. At best, his death is referenced as a fake out when Snake goes back to Shadow Moses Island.
I really wonder what character analyses like these would be like for the 2016 She-Ra designs if it was something skyen was interested in. If nothing else the shape variety of the characters seems like something he'd appreciate
Liquid has spent his entire life comparing himself to somebody else. He doesnt have his own identity, he is always comparing himself to Snake and Big Boss
I never really noticed until recently that all of foxhound wears a uniform to some degree, they all either wear the same jacket pants or boots, but none of them wear all of them
I'm so happy you are covering Metal Gear Solid. I haven't played more than just this game but it was enough for me to be a fan.
Now we're just waiting for Gas Snake and Plasma Snake
I will also say that big boss is a mix between liquid and solid. He has liquids brown overcoat but his suit underneath if of a cooler tone.
And He looks more Like solid
Where snake doesnt know what sex is, Liquid knows all forms of sex. Where snake is bi, Liquid is Ace.
Really? I thought Mantis and Liquid had a thing especially after Phantom pain,
So thats why Chris Chans imposter is called "Liquid Chris" 💀
i love the fact too that liquid is the one that has the superior genes while solid was the weaker genes one and yet solid is the better of his brother
i love color and design contrast between siblings so much it brings me so much joy. it’s always just GOOD it’s so good
Sometimes simple stories are good stories.
Everything doesn't need to be a unenjoyable deconstructive mess.
Sometimes it can be an enjoyable deconstructive mess, like Metal Gear!
Holy shit I'm so hyped for more mgs analysis if u decide to keep on doing it
I think you should analyse black hat's design (from the show villainous) he's quite simple yet effective for what he's supposed to be
I hope there’s more Metal Gear Solid content to come 🥺
I would really like if you did character design reviews for fighting games like street fighter or Guilty Gear. Though I guess it would be harder to go I. Depth because of story and stuff like that.
can't wait for you to analyse raiden's revengeance design
As a Supersoldier he has the privilege to walk around teets out in Alaskan weather
“I live on through this arm……”
Liquid Snake is the best villain ngl.
I suppose even their names are kind of a nod to that...
at first I thought their names were a little backwards..solids being rigid and possibly stuck as is whole liquids are dynamic and flexible....
then I thought about it a little more and realized how fitting they are
a liquid must conform to the shape of it's container (assuming it isn't just a puddle) and so cannot become it's own shape...volume stats the same, but dimensions aren't dictated by the liquid.
solids don't care the shape of the container. if they fits they sits in whatever shape and orientation they had, regardless. maintaining their own properties.
I love the phrase “Tits out in the Alaskan Weather” because the locals would just call that regular dress. I would know, I was raised there
I really like that concept art of Liquid (with the longer hair next to snake) and I hope that if we get a similar remake to Delta for MGS they would choose that concept art for Liquid (though I know it’s unlikely even if a remake would happen because Liquid is too iconic)
BROTHERRRSSS!
I think if they wanted liquid back in the sequel they should've made him a zombie mutant thing instead of possessing ocelot. It would've added further to this theme and even the mythos of the series on spirituality and war
Now we just need the other 2 brothers Gas and Plasma
Another thing.
Solid served in the Green Berets.
Liquid served in the SAS and got himself captured during the first gulf war in a mission similar to Bravo two Zero.
It took me so long to realise that Louis’s name is the opposite of “solid”
Louis Snake
Worst part is that Louis Snake would still probably work in a “leader goes undercover” situation like in Undercover Boss but far more sinister.
I think something interesting too is how solid snake has a darker hair color, something more closely related to dominant genes, while liquid has blonde hair, something related more to recessive genes. Obviously the les enfants terribles project was only really changing 60 specific genes in each of them but the hair really convinced you that solid snake has the dominant genes while liquid has the recessive ones, which makes it even more of a twist when you lear that liquid has the dominant genes
something about this short in particular made me imagine a world where you examine kingdom hearts character design and storytelling... i have no clue if you're into that series or not, but i think it has some awesome character AND enemy/boss designs that could be worth examining closer; especially since the head writer and the character designer for the games are literally the same guy (tetsuya nomura). there's a unique cohesion between designs, story, and real world fashion(/events) that i havent seen utilized as well almost anywhere else
Everybody chilling till Plasma Snake comes around
I mean, that might be storytelling 101 and a cliche, but it's still a timeless trope and it will remain timeless because of its essence. Cliches aren't necessarily bad, they're only bad if their exploration is shallow and they remain just surface-level.
Where Solid is solid, Liquid is a liquid
Earnestness is the greatest strength of MGS
Shirtless man in long coat makes Brain Go brrrrrr is Also a perfectly valid reason,
Da king is back baby he neva miss
I wonder if the reason you didn't mention it is because its so obvious but I love that "Solid snake" the taciturn and inscrutable one is the one who advocates for the game's ideals of choice, of fluidity, and LIQUID is bound by the fairly rigid constraints of destiny and predetermination. Very "black spot on the white koifish" symbolism and I love it.
Thank you for doing mgs. Would love to hear your analysis of all the characters in the series and their versions in different games.
liquid snake is the Real hero
Wait ur playing MGS now?!?!? This is my fav video game series ever I need to see you play every single game
He has done a playthough of MGS1 on his channel a few years ago.
He's also named Liquid as opposed to Solid
Hey man you do great work! Keep it up
It’s funny. Anyone with basic knowledge of genetic traits which they taught us in 7th grade would recognize instantly that Liquid was the one with recessive traits even though canonically he was said to actually have all the dominant traits
Gotta love the anime trend that started in the 70s/80s of the main villain being this fabulous guy with long flowing locks, but he's still super manly and cool and powerful through his flamboyance.
Shows that a character's values are not constricted to their outer looks...something that I feel was lost in today's (mostly western) media.
I love your analyses, they always go into so much detail that i never even consider. With that said, if it interests you would you do some character analasys of zelda characters? Im obsessed with the franchise and would love to see the depth the creators put into their designs
He did some shorts on them if you look back a bit
@harrysteel864 oo, thank you for telling me! Definitely gonna check those out, cheers man :)
I love your video's more metal gear content please!!!
I didn't catch on to Liquid dressing like Big Boss
I know you are probably super busy TB but I am waiting anxiously for your review & analysis of Heartsteel & the PARANOIA music video
now all we need is gassy snake to go with solid and liquid
Doeant matter how cliche or wrote your script is. If you are truly earnest and heartfelt it will shine through.
"with his tits out in Alaskan weather" is a pretty good way to describe a lot of MGS designs
Notice how liquid dresses like big boss and sports his ideals, despite hating his connection to the boss and his "cursed genes". He doesn't look like the boss, but he ironically does everything else possible to resemble him. Meanwhile solid looks almost identical to the boss, but he does the exact opposite of his "father" by not letting those who have used him turn him into a monster, and it liberates him. Liquid's perceived slavery to his genes was only ever his own doing.
Yeah,Like how himself was a clone of the person who happens to be him as a new person but as himself
"Liquid wears a big, bold, open coat with his tits out in the Alaskan weather"
Pure gold!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd like to imagine that if Liquid ever got a game that, like you said, it'd probably be a polar opposite to the regular Metal Gear formula. But *not* in the Rising kind of way.
It would probably have to be a more upfront kind of game where you do less sneaking and more shooting. Contrasting by being less John McClane and more John Matrix.
I also think story wise it could be difficult to make him a game protagonist. Mainly because like I've seen one argument say "he's a one-note villain". Which... yeah, but I'm sure it *can* be done well (it's an unpredictable coin flip it either ruins the lore or redefines gaming who cares).
Perhaps taking the route of being opposite to Snake's growth where instead of growing into a respectable soldier he degrades into a bond villain. Maybe at points it's plot could almost convince you that maybe there's redemption for Liquid in some way, but immediately we remind ourselves of the kind of man Liquid is and what the end of his story is.
Literary The evil twin
Liquid is an amazing villain
Kinda makes me think of Jonathan Joestar and Dio
I'm humble and taciturn, though I don't wear a shirt, with an open jacket when it's below 0°C, so yeah, I'm a mix
Liquid got that shit on
Liquid should have his own game already
I want a game where i play as liquid
Konima is subtle if you spell subtle like a nuclear explosion.
Liquid is my favorite character
Liquid snake is British while Solid Snake is a person
Thats why I love MGS 😂 takes itself SOOOO seriously while knowing its a complete trope bomb! 🤣
Disappointed back then when the 3rd Snake is not named GAS
Then there is the forgotten brother solidus who tries to be big boss but fail