You know what speed up the killing of soundclash? Technology and social media. Everything is too accessible now. The mystique isn’t what it used to be.
Boom even if technology and social media some of them don't how to market themselves either. I remember that flyer, that mixtape (cd) or a club with a different sound that night i ended up in
Disrespect is what kill sound clash. Having manners and respect for Jah law even in sound competition it is an expression before Jah, as children play before their parents. You are not going to be disrespectful to your parents, so the lost of respect and high regard for de ting. One Love..
Trophies was in sound clash long before irish and chin .irish and chin did not start world clash first world clash 1993 saxon bodyguard afrique coxson in London England. Body guard was the winner
Not really, they only play the tight pants foolishness for the early warm, but when it comes to the championship rounds it's the traditional hardcore music that counts.
The thing about the 90s some big sound come up and get leave in the 90s like 4x4,katorock, turbo phonic ,which were sound that could kill any sound that big today
Your RIGHT their is a need for new promoters that can take over and take the business to a whole new level again!! also sounds need to invest in their selves and possibly throw their own Sound Clash events with other sounds!! Invest in your OWN CAREER the right way not just DUBPLATES!!!
Sound clash as it is today is a total gimmicks thing. Playing a dub plate for 10 or 15 seconds using a laptop does nothing for me personally and this has resulted in sorry demise of sound system culture in general. The whole concept or idea of 2, 3 or 4 so called sound systems playing on a public address system is total BS. A sound system consists of your own amps/ boxes / etc which you tune up yourself to make your own sound unique, no short cuts. So far as I am concerned the public have been conned into thinking that this dub plate ting is good. Trophies and plaques are definitely a tiny side issue and should be given after say 10 years or more of consistent quality work , not after a few dances. Look at the veteran old school sound like King Sturgay.... Uroy (RIP) did not care about trophies, all he cared about was to deliver great quality rub a dub entertainment to the public anywhere in the world and Im so glad that I got to see/hear Uroy, Josey and Charlie at work on Sturgav back in the day. The real love of reggae music has been lost and many in this generation have a business first approach to reggae which is why the general quality of the music has gone down not up.. The reggae records from my era (late 70/ 80s) can sell right now for a lot of money because of the quality and love that was put into the music with real instruments.
Preach Chin! Trophy have nothing to do with soundclash slowing down (and no it's not dead or dying). Irish and Chin clashes was the premium standard for sound clash events for well over a decade easy. Structured...nice venues...clash start on time with a solid lineup. Anybody who say trophy is cause them never win one....lol. I&C could've done perhaps a better job at promoting up and coming sounds a bit more instead of taking the safer route of bigger sounds on a lineup but I understand the need as a promoters need to draw in bigger crowds. Lack of entertaining sounds along with lack of creativity with a mix of a pandemic is what's slowing things down a bit. It will rebound as it always has for the last 30+ years.
Chin me rate you but you’re wrong on this one. The UK Cup Clash did it before you, no disrespect but come on, that was huge and monumental. Remember Saxon, Afrique, BodyGuard and Coxanne in the UK 1992. Then Saxon, BodyGuard, King Addies and Kebra Negus who is the only sound to play Dennis Brown, Garnet Silk and Beres Hammondin combination to date. I wanna call in bro. However I would say Irish and Chin was the most consistent, very entertaining and they made some sounds a household name.
I would NEVER deny that there were events called World Clash before the Irish and Chin series. However please admit that NONE! Of those events carried the RESPECT like our WC SERIES. In fact, the format used in the world clash events prior, did not go on to redefine sound clash entertainment!! Soooo it's WRONG to compare them. Being the first will NEVER out weigh being the BEST!! The Irishandchin series is the long reining series in the history of sound clash. Facts !!!!
@@garfieldbourne2448 Breddrin, I can't change history, name an interview where Lion Face don't talk about that UK Cup clash? Firstly, I said it was the first big sound clash with sounds from around the world. Secondly they had sounds from around the world battling over a cup. Thirdly it was the first to use that format with rules and a cup. I was there and can confirm there were thousands of people in attendance. Fourth, I did not and would not disrespect the Irish and Chin Brand, in fact I bigged it up (check my last sentence) but fifth and final, it was called the UK Cup Clash, as I stated from the get go but, the format was the "original" like Gregory Issacs would say. Don't be mad at me I'm just stating the "facts" as you say lol. If you don't believe me, verify it with Johnny, Courtney, Trevor, Muscle, Mini Muscle, Face as they were all there. Peace!
@@garfieldbourne2448 Nah, they were the first with sounds from around the world, the cup and rules. That the main basis of WC, if not, what is it respectfully?
Stupid rules, same dubplates, trophies and politics all contributed to killing the sound clash culture. The Irish n Chin format as slowly died, which I always said it would from the start.
The thing that kill clash is production of good tunes and these artist these days have no talent. Auto tunes..ecct...i can go on. Another thing I don't like is judging rounds. It takes away momentum and give another sound time to recover. Man I can go on and on. Then you have these selectors thinking they are being artist and star bia on stage..
Chin you are the best promoter to keep soundclash there is nothing more it is all over on Pink Panther is the greatest soundclash selector and you are the greatest promoter let someone in the twenties plan for the future thanks. You do a great job
I would love Chin to answer this question, why did he stop the world clash series ? just before the pandemic he did a clash at sumfest which pulled a very good crowd and it was very expensive to get in ! so seing as how he explaining things tell us why ? and is it that he' s planning to start back the series . I think Jamaica need back that event !
Agree with 95% No trophies DID NOT help kill sound clash. It was a great move to award sound systems. Structure is and was necessary. The main issue is how the trophies were awarded. Thats a whole issue within itself but at the end of the day the trophies are mainly for the sounds and people close to it because most people who follow sounds can't tell you which trophies they won outside of World Clash. If we gonna do a top 5 reason why clash dead list honestly this wouldn't even be close to entering. So many other major factors at play. This is cannon fodder 😂
THE SOUND CLASH BUSINESS IS DONE BECAUSE THESE NEW SELECTORS DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC IT'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR PLAYING ON A TURN TABLE THAN WHEN YOUR USING A COMPUTER THE BEST TIME OF THE SOUND CLASH ERA WILL ALWAYS BE BILTMORE BALLROOM FIRE BUN TROPHIES 🏆 PEACE & LOVE❤
@@ninjathagreat8335 it’s easy to blame the new generation but whose fault is it that they don’t know where sound clash is coming from? When a young sound tries to get into the business and learn it the older sounds turn them back pon dem and treat them like their nothing because like u just said they don’t know the history. On top of that if u want the culture to grow u have to let go of biltmore. If people kept the attitude that u have then all the contributors would mean nothing because the sound clash would be no longer existing.
Trophies commercialized the business. Watered it down, took away the rugged feel of dancehall and clash. I say this because I remember the days when a dance will turn into a clash ( just play the wrong tune or buss the wrong argument lol). When the trophy error began many selectors felt like if a trophy isn’t involved I’m not clashing. Hence as you stated in part 1 about selectors and artist wanting big money to clash and cut dubs. Years ago they did it for the culture. I remember hearing Matterhorn in his prime for a $5 at a round robin. (Thursday night) yes $5! And many other selectors and artist nights after. Unfortunately clash falls under the same umbrella as dancehall reggae and hip hop today.. #DEAD
You make a good point about sounds not wanting to play unless trophy involved and how spontaneous clash could jump off but still there was always room for that with trophy dance. You are right thou too much people follow it and start give out ediat trophy 💯
Promotion killed sound clash along with Covid restrictions. There are no more new music venues in NYC/Long Island. Amazura is the only one left.. No younger eager youth wanted to grab the torch to be promoters. Every flyer, billboard have the same promotion names on it.. Also the music change too. The Artist aren’t build up the same. We will never see another Bounty vs Beenie, Merciless vs Bounty… Those legendary wars took years to build. There’s many reasons why things changed not just one alone..
Chin listen, you did nothing to kill the sound clash culture,the man dem just bad mind like yaws. I respect everything u did for the culture,it's so funny nobody sees success until someone else does it and then here comes the haters. Big up yourself chin keep moving up the line...
There are multiple things that "killed" soundclash. Trophies is a minor part. Not every sound should get rewarded with a trophy. Out of respect my team rewards a winning sound with a trophy for the work they did during the clash to win the clash. Now what the sound decides to do after the clash is on them. Do they elevate themselves and go look a next war with w more established sound? Try and clash outside of the area where they come from??? Promoters can assist but if the sounds or sound owners don't see the vision or charge crazy prices.....Keep in mind there are not a lot of sound clash promoters
Sound quality is often poor on dubs. Sounds are not using their own soundsystem in clashes (in general). Look at battle rapping, it's just a small genre in hiphop now and clash fans are not growing in numbers. There is a big warning sign for the industry. We need to promote soundsystems that actually sound good in this modern era of sound. Respect to every sound that mixing and mastering their dubs like a real 45.
The issue with a trophy is that it suggests finality and in an arena which is fueled by ego, it can problematic for the loser. A non-trophy clash is "subjective" as to who the winner is. A trophy clash...not so much.
I remember listening to cassette of dance that I never went to and that would help me to know wat going who was bad who were becoming rivals cassettes play a part to spread word around world
Irish and Chin i have to correct you. You didn't start the trophy clash. Trophy🏆Clashes started in Jamaica 🇯🇲by Isaiah Laing in 1985 which started Sting, but that is another topic. The event was held at a place called Cinema 2 and the four sound systems that participated were King Jammys, Black Scorpio, Youthman Promotion and Black Star. A lot of people never knew Sting started from sound systems competing against each other. Every artist had to represent their own sound system live.
Chin you came you saw you conquer your era as ended just like the others accept and move on brother on to the next venture you got twenty years out of it the one before was ten you double the time bow out with your series gracefully sir
Trophy 🏆 have nothing to do with it I think 🏆 is Great appreciation for the hard work a selector and soundsystem put in to the biz. But of course when others copy dem fuk it up..cho!
Trophy are a good thing but just like music award only some trophy matters when others people could care less. And too many trophy given out to people diluted the value of the worthy trophy now so that everyone has a trophy and if you don't have one buy your own and now you got a trophy. So playing hard or winning a dance fair and square doesn't matter just want the trophy to brag how good your sound is
The whole Sound Clash Legacy should live on, this history requires Irish & Chin patent along with other promoters following T&C which should be rubber stamped by I&C as a recognised body.
I think that declaring an outright winner with a trophy kills the debate and mystique that the early 90s clashes had ... the debates among your boys about who won certain clashes are what kept the mystique of those sounds alive till today ... who won addies/jaro or even addies/LP (94)? Those live forever because while you say one sound won... we can spark a hours long debate in certain forums on why he other sound took it... in this digital era we SHOULD have ample opportunities for epic soundclashes among all the new sounds to build rivialries ... but no one wants to take the loss ... everyone just wants the “trophy” but no one wants to really war “anywhere anytime” when I heard chin interview puma it was inspiring to hear him say he would war with everyone ... sure he took some L’s but they would always bounce back etc... today one sound beat another sound they never wanna face them again... but just having a war with no rules and hearing the audio and letting the debate live on forever ... builds anticipation for a rematch .. maybe in another city ... maybe another country ... build a demand for it!
Lack of loyalty and greed killed sound clash as we know it. Before an artist would give certain sounds a special and no other sound could get that dub no matter how much money a next sound want pay. Now every sound have the same tune...no exclusivity. Lack of Creativity also assist in creating the void as well. Selector dem dunce bad and cannot cut tune. Pure man pack up Inna sound clash and no woman help kill it too. Before man used to carry dem woman come a dance nuh matter if a clash or not. Now a pure man a forward Inna dance and a hog down video light. We all have to agree that many things from different sections of the business contributed to the downfall of sound clash.
Upon listening to all 3 parts I didn’t one time hear anything regarding to Covid. Sound clash was going good before Covid . Of course there are other factors but Covid was the nail in the coffin.
The only thing you were guilty off Chin, was being a trail blazer. It’s clear that other promoters used your ideas to ensure their promotions were a success. This is why it would be good to have a proper competition like a Champions league etc governed by proper regulators who have the best interest of the industry. Dancehall and reggae music is global. There are hundreds if not thousands of sounds that love the sound clash culture. We need a independent organisation to bring the whole industry forward that will leave a positive legacy long after we are gone. Great series of videos 👊🏽✊🏽☝🏽 Oh, I’m that someone you are looking for that has abundance of ideas to fit todays world.
Our culture need to stop blaming and start taking responsibility. It seems like when there is proper structure in place there’s always people rebellious against it as they like chaos. Everyone is talking about what went wrong or going wrong but no solution or idea of how to fix it.
What water down sound clash is the foolish 7 sound in one clash and who bring dat yes irish and chin. Chin ah talk like he started sound clash🤣🤣🤣 he just helped fucked it up now him run garn from it and ah chat ah bag ah ting pon him radio
To say i fucked up sound clash.... you have to also say that you are smarter than the 1000's of clash fans in the industry the support me for 25year lol... ask yourshelf are you that smart ?
Not just trophy inflation. But soundclash has a HIGHLANDER - DUNCAN MCLEOD problem. The DINOSAURS were so effective at killing, they are like a coalition of dominant male lions who did not allow any cubs to grow up to be in a position to challenge them. They did not RAISE THEIR OWN CUBS TO REPLACE them, they killed everything, to the point where the entire savanah became a barren wasteland with no new blood for the lions to feed on. How can the clash platform be rebuilt - to consistently attract and retain the younger generations the way the JUGGLING platform does? If wrestling, boxing & futbol can attract and retain young female audiences, how comes soundclash is not currently able to do that? Dinosaurs only seem to want to war amongst themselves for big $. What the clash platform needs is for the DINOSAURS to train & raise cubs. Bridging generations - to sustain and expand the CLASH ARENA. Clashes need fi be tag team now. Where LINKS, TROOPER, MADGIE etc each TEAM UP with new blood. And the clashes become. DinosaurA + youngsound A vs Dinosaur 1 + youngsound 1. Thats the format. Tagteam of vintage & younging.. mix and match. Bragging rights nowadays ought not be about which DINOSAUR or longtime sound can kill.. But which one of them can partner with and/or raise FRESH NEW TALENT to reach their STANDARD OF KILLING WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIME. Soundclash need to go into DANNYDREAD TEACHER MODE.. in order for the platform not go extinct. 2 prong sgrategy needed. Danny dread mode + infiltrate JUGGLING ARENA mode.
But one of the things that really make de clash thing not go on like one time it a like how some sound just to brag would go to a dance and a clash would just start out of the blue trooper and links babyface , winterfrish,lil wicked were famous for that just go to a dance and start war for bargain rights
i think a lot of lap top djs killed sound clash and social media. it is not the same no more . when you go to a sound clash you only hear 1 min of a song if that
I think selectors play the music short they they talk over the song and don’t let people listen to the song I think that’s a contribute to the downfall of Soundclash not only Soundclash but juggling
I also think that other resson was to counteract what Irish and Chin was doing buy saying that you don't have to go to world clash to get a trophy 🏆 we can keep a clash and we will give you a trophy also. But the problem with that there was and is their no value to there clash especially most of those clashes were one off events and not kept yearly 🤔
Yes that's what me feel. Worthless trophy mash ting up...everyone wanting to be major league without playing in the minors is a problem. By the time trophy roll out dem supposed to keep dem own dance to clash their neighbourhood rival etc., So it's not just on you Chin but also the Sounds that decide promoter job to promote and fame supposed to just roll up to sound with no work.
You going into Soundclash was the worst thing that ever happened to Soundclash Irish and chin I stand on that and I’ll tell you to your face and million times
Lol.... another bitter person who's opinion is filled with no facts and hatred...My dude I kinda dont care what you think lol... and I will tell you that to your face million times !! You watching my shit dawg... i would never support someone I hate so much !! You playing yourself kid !!
Too many sound not enuff leagues. Too many sound to see the amount of work a sound a put in. Would be nice to see a state league or country league that would lead to a world clash, a league would create rivry in states . Gotta be more league.
Your league is the FIFA World Cup of sound clashing. You're not responsible for the actions of others. If they choose to hand out trophies for "scrimmages," then they're the ones who cheapened de ting. I think this is another example Jamaicans lacking business acumen.
This is more of a question because I don’t know. Apart from stone love is there any other sound that makes a profit out of the business with all investment it takes to build the sound and upkeep????
Prob bass Odessy now sound clash is a non profit organisation from day one but no one wants to run their sound as a business it’s just war and dubs and who can play this and that.
@@garfieldbourne2448 financially they spend the most for dubs and they don’t get any free because every artist assume they have the bag . I have been on many of the jamrock cruise 🚢 and personally knows they cuts lots of special just for whom they are playing against.not to debate you but they do it for love no profit that’s why they’re leaving the business . PS they’re the ones who caused artists to change so much for dubs 👂👍
It was no more creativity in Soundclash after 2003. In 2004 All the sounds Had the same Dubs . Mighty crown Is the Successful sound but have no identity They cut all of the big sounds big songs the same way World clash 99 in one fi one might crown play 10 of kattaroc big songs And the same riddims in 2000 might crown Start to cut LP and jaro King Addies and downbeat big song might Crown Is a dub collector and that’s what killed Soundclash All Dub collectors Collecting other sounds dubs
Promoters all of you guys killed the sound clash ting Saxon killed Bodyguard in the UK World Clash but they added a extra decision and the moment was lost. Saxon killed all the sounds that night.
And you can't say a trophy with 50 in a dance don't count its just a lower level trophy the worst player in the nba probably has tons of trophy from high school and street tournaments etc. He's just not on lebron kd curry level etc
I. Would not say Irish and chin kill the things its more about the young sounds on young sound from Jamaica are not emerging and only some of the NY songs are good but them hit a brick wall the best thing right now around is Jakes ss, and addies still, problem Shawn right now I like but all the rest sounds that kicking ass are the older sound man them
The schoolyard insults and worse still constant screaming down the mic from selectors is off putting to a lot of reggae / dancehall fans. Ok Tony Screw and a few others conduct themselves like adults but they are exceptions!
Lee major from earth ruler to this day says he won the 1 clash against addies if a trophy was given he would have to stop saying it. Baby face admits that Saxon won the trophy that night but he was cheated but he never says he won because the trophy was giving to saxon he say he was robbed of the 🏆
This guy is delusional he’s off the Richter scale he really talks like he’s done sat and out here for reggae music this guy even made one song how many record labels have you got how many artist could you make eat food foreverOr did you just license a couple of man’s tunes and talking about dubs don’t make it your fingers not on the pulse Bredda Reason my dad is not cutting it is cold babe Orlando and instinct and no new ones ain’t coming out All these new artists the rubbish
Wait a minute how are you talking about having your own thing/league within someone’s else ting !!!! You didn’t Event Soundclash for you to be talking about my leak your bloodclart bright you believe say because you spent money on records Which you don’t own your license them, You feel say that you have Right to talk about mine you need to sit down big man I’ll say it again you are the worst team ever happened to Soundclash bout my league
You know what speed up the killing of soundclash? Technology and social media. Everything is too accessible now. The mystique isn’t what it used to be.
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Boom even if technology and social media some of them don't how to market themselves either.
I remember that flyer, that mixtape (cd) or a club with a different sound that night i ended up in
Disrespect is what kill sound clash. Having manners and respect for Jah law even in sound competition it is an expression before Jah, as children play before their parents. You are not going to be disrespectful to your parents, so the lost of respect and high regard for de ting. One Love..
Let’s not forget about the selectors playing the same dubs in EVERY CLASH lol. Creativity died along with the great artists
MY GOODNESS YES!! IS LIKE DEM ALL DID A RUN ONE PLAYLIST N SHUFFLE IT DIFFERENT LOL
And they had the nerves to call out black kat 🤣🤣🤣
That's how sounds build anthems by letting people get use to your songs.
Trophies was in sound clash long before irish and chin .irish and chin did not start world clash first world clash 1993 saxon bodyguard afrique coxson in London England. Body guard was the winner
100% truth bredren, Chin,s giving himself too much credit about trophies.
thank you cup dance and trophy dance ah run from long time inna uk 70 80's uk cup dance brandish long time inna uk
The elephant in the room is that dancehall music is now boring
...all these hip hop, rnb and trap riddims that they are making are killing the culture
Not really, they only play the tight pants foolishness for the early warm, but when it comes to the championship rounds it's the traditional hardcore music that counts.
Daddyteddy I agree dancehall is pure shit nowadays
The thing about the 90s some big sound come up and get leave in the 90s like 4x4,katorock, turbo phonic ,which were sound that could kill any sound that big today
Your RIGHT their is a need for new promoters that can take over and take the business to a whole new level again!! also sounds need to invest in their selves and possibly throw their own Sound Clash events with other sounds!! Invest in your OWN CAREER the right way not just DUBPLATES!!!
Sound clash as it is today is a total gimmicks thing. Playing a dub plate for 10 or 15 seconds using a laptop does nothing for me personally and this has resulted in sorry demise of sound system culture in general. The whole concept or idea of 2, 3 or 4 so called sound systems playing on a public address system is total BS. A sound system consists of your own amps/ boxes / etc which you tune up yourself to make your own sound unique, no short cuts. So far as I am concerned the public have been conned into thinking that this dub plate ting is good. Trophies and plaques are definitely a tiny side issue and should be given after say 10 years or more of consistent quality work , not after a few dances. Look at the veteran old school sound like King Sturgay.... Uroy (RIP) did not care about trophies, all he cared about was to deliver great quality rub a dub entertainment to the public anywhere in the world and Im so glad that I got to see/hear Uroy, Josey and Charlie at work on Sturgav back in the day. The real love of reggae music has been lost and many in this generation have a business first approach to reggae which is why the general quality of the music has gone down not up.. The reggae records from my era (late 70/ 80s) can sell right now for a lot of money because of the quality and love that was put into the music with real instruments.
Irish & Chin attempted to bring more of a business structured dynamic to something that most of its participants don't approach as a business.
Preach Chin! Trophy have nothing to do with soundclash slowing down (and no it's not dead or dying). Irish and Chin clashes was the premium standard for sound clash events for well over a decade easy. Structured...nice venues...clash start on time with a solid lineup. Anybody who say trophy is cause them never win one....lol. I&C could've done perhaps a better job at promoting up and coming sounds a bit more instead of taking the safer route of bigger sounds on a lineup but I understand the need as a promoters need to draw in bigger crowds. Lack of entertaining sounds along with lack of creativity with a mix of a pandemic is what's slowing things down a bit. It will rebound as it always has for the last 30+ years.
Chin me rate you but you’re wrong on this one. The UK Cup Clash did it before you, no disrespect but come on, that was huge and monumental. Remember Saxon, Afrique, BodyGuard and Coxanne in the UK 1992. Then Saxon, BodyGuard, King Addies and Kebra Negus who is the only sound to play Dennis Brown, Garnet Silk and Beres Hammondin combination to date. I wanna call in bro. However I would say Irish and Chin was the most consistent, very entertaining and they made some sounds a household name.
I would NEVER deny that there were events called World Clash before the Irish and Chin series. However please admit that NONE! Of those events carried the RESPECT like our WC SERIES. In fact, the format used in the world clash events prior, did not go on to redefine sound clash entertainment!! Soooo it's WRONG to compare them. Being the first will NEVER out weigh being the BEST!! The Irishandchin series is the long reining series in the history of sound clash. Facts !!!!
@@garfieldbourne2448 Breddrin, I can't change history, name an interview where Lion Face don't talk about that UK Cup clash? Firstly, I said it was the first big sound clash with sounds from around the world. Secondly they had sounds from around the world battling over a cup. Thirdly it was the first to use that format with rules and a cup. I was there and can confirm there were thousands of people in attendance. Fourth, I did not and would not disrespect the Irish and Chin Brand, in fact I bigged it up (check my last sentence) but fifth and final, it was called the UK Cup Clash, as I stated from the get go but, the format was the "original" like Gregory Issacs would say. Don't be mad at me I'm just stating the "facts" as you say lol.
If you don't believe me, verify it with Johnny, Courtney, Trevor, Muscle, Mini Muscle, Face as they were all there. Peace!
The WC format is original! There maybe 1 and 2 tings that you found similar to the event you speck of, but definitely not the same!
@@garfieldbourne2448 Nah, they were the first with sounds from around the world, the cup and rules. That the main basis of WC, if not, what is it respectfully?
Stupid rules, same dubplates, trophies and politics all contributed to killing the sound clash culture. The Irish n Chin format as slowly died, which I always said it would from the start.
The thing that kill clash is production of good tunes and these artist these days have no talent. Auto tunes..ecct...i can go on. Another thing I don't like is judging rounds. It takes away momentum and give another sound time to recover. Man I can go on and on. Then you have these selectors thinking they are being artist and star bia on stage..
Chin you are the best promoter to keep soundclash there is nothing more it is all over on Pink Panther is the greatest soundclash selector and you are the greatest promoter let someone in the twenties plan for the future thanks. You do a great job
I would love Chin to answer this question, why did he stop the world clash series ? just before the pandemic he did a clash at sumfest which pulled a very good crowd and it was very expensive to get in ! so seing as how he explaining things tell us why ? and is it that he' s planning to start back the series . I think Jamaica need back that event !
Agree with 95% No trophies DID NOT help kill sound clash. It was a great move to award sound systems. Structure is and was necessary. The main issue is how the trophies were awarded. Thats a whole issue within itself but at the end of the day the trophies are mainly for the sounds and people close to it because most people who follow sounds can't tell you which trophies they won outside of World Clash. If we gonna do a top 5 reason why clash dead list honestly this wouldn't even be close to entering. So many other major factors at play. This is cannon fodder 😂
THE SOUND CLASH BUSINESS IS DONE BECAUSE THESE NEW SELECTORS DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC IT'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR PLAYING ON A TURN TABLE THAN WHEN YOUR USING A COMPUTER THE BEST TIME OF THE SOUND CLASH ERA WILL ALWAYS BE BILTMORE BALLROOM FIRE BUN TROPHIES 🏆 PEACE & LOVE❤
@@ninjathagreat8335 it’s easy to blame the new generation but whose fault is it that they don’t know where sound clash is coming from? When a young sound tries to get into the business and learn it the older sounds turn them back pon dem and treat them like their nothing because like u just said they don’t know the history. On top of that if u want the culture to grow u have to let go of biltmore. If people kept the attitude that u have then all the contributors would mean nothing because the sound clash would be no longer existing.
Trophies commercialized the business. Watered it down, took away the rugged feel of dancehall and clash. I say this because I remember the days when a dance will turn into a clash ( just play the wrong tune or buss the wrong argument lol). When the trophy error began many selectors felt like if a trophy isn’t involved I’m not clashing. Hence as you stated in part 1 about selectors and artist wanting big money to clash and cut dubs. Years ago they did it for the culture. I remember hearing Matterhorn in his prime for a $5 at a round robin. (Thursday night) yes $5! And many other selectors and artist nights after. Unfortunately clash falls under the same umbrella as dancehall reggae and hip hop today.. #DEAD
You make a good point about sounds not wanting to play unless trophy involved and how spontaneous clash could jump off but still there was always room for that with trophy dance. You are right thou too much people follow it and start give out ediat trophy 💯
Giving out ,Trophies prevents sound man and selectors from lying about who won
Exactly
Promotion killed sound clash along with Covid restrictions. There are no more new music venues in NYC/Long Island. Amazura is the only one left.. No younger eager youth wanted to grab the torch to be promoters. Every flyer, billboard have the same promotion names on it.. Also the music change too. The Artist aren’t build up the same. We will never see another Bounty vs Beenie, Merciless vs Bounty… Those legendary wars took years to build. There’s many reasons why things changed not just one alone..
Chin listen, you did nothing to kill the sound clash culture,the man dem just bad mind like yaws. I respect everything u did for the culture,it's so funny nobody sees success until someone else does it and then here comes the haters. Big up yourself chin keep moving up the line...
There are multiple things that "killed" soundclash. Trophies is a minor part. Not every sound should get rewarded with a trophy. Out of respect my team rewards a winning sound with a trophy for the work they did during the clash to win the clash. Now what the sound decides to do after the clash is on them. Do they elevate themselves and go look a next war with w more established sound? Try and clash outside of the area where they come from??? Promoters can assist but if the sounds or sound owners don't see the vision or charge crazy prices.....Keep in mind there are not a lot of sound clash promoters
Sound quality is often poor on dubs. Sounds are not using their own soundsystem in clashes (in general). Look at battle rapping, it's just a small genre in hiphop now and clash fans are not growing in numbers. There is a big warning sign for the industry. We need to promote soundsystems that actually sound good in this modern era of sound. Respect to every sound that mixing and mastering their dubs like a real 45.
The issue with a trophy is that it suggests finality and in an arena which is fueled by ego, it can problematic for the loser. A non-trophy clash is "subjective" as to who the winner is. A trophy clash...not so much.
a real fan doesn't give a shit about a trophy, we care about what we hear..
Facts
I have to give respect to Irish & chin for the world clash events and trophies its a great idea for the clash arena 👍
I remember listening to cassette of dance that I never went to and that would help me to know wat going who was bad who were becoming rivals cassettes play a part to spread word around world
Irish and Chin i have to correct you. You didn't start the trophy clash. Trophy🏆Clashes started in Jamaica 🇯🇲by Isaiah Laing in 1985 which started Sting, but that is another topic. The event was held at a place called Cinema 2 and the four sound systems that participated were King Jammys, Black Scorpio, Youthman Promotion and Black Star. A lot of people never knew Sting started from sound systems competing against each other. Every artist had to represent their own sound system live.
Chin you came you saw you conquer your era as ended just like the others accept and move on brother on to the next venture you got twenty years out of it the one before was ten you double the time bow out with your series gracefully sir
I agree
You need to plan something for the Jamaican sound system now we need something better then boom clash
Trophies where good because it made it clear on who won.
...and in an ego sport that'a problem.
@@FyahAlex what sport in the world the competitors don't have egos
To much funny guys inna the business!
Trophy 🏆 have nothing to do with it I think 🏆 is Great appreciation for the hard work a selector and soundsystem put in to the biz. But of course when others copy dem fuk it up..cho!
Trophy are a good thing but just like music award only some trophy matters when others people could care less. And too many trophy given out to people diluted the value of the worthy trophy now so that everyone has a trophy and if you don't have one buy your own and now you got a trophy. So playing hard or winning a dance fair and square doesn't matter just want the trophy to brag how good your sound is
The whole Sound Clash Legacy should live on, this history requires Irish & Chin patent along with other promoters following T&C which should be rubber stamped by I&C as a recognised body.
I have been saying this for years. Promoters needs to give out good trophies.
I think that declaring an outright winner with a trophy kills the debate and mystique that the early 90s clashes had ... the debates among your boys about who won certain clashes are what kept the mystique of those sounds alive till today ... who won addies/jaro or even addies/LP (94)? Those live forever because while you say one sound won... we can spark a hours long debate in certain forums on why he other sound took it... in this digital era we SHOULD have ample opportunities for epic soundclashes among all the new sounds to build rivialries ... but no one wants to take the loss ... everyone just wants the “trophy” but no one wants to really war “anywhere anytime” when I heard chin interview puma it was inspiring to hear him say he would war with everyone ... sure he took some L’s but they would always bounce back etc... today one sound beat another sound they never wanna face them again... but just having a war with no rules and hearing the audio and letting the debate live on forever ... builds anticipation for a rematch .. maybe in another city ... maybe another country ... build a demand for it!
Lack of loyalty and greed killed sound clash as we know it. Before an artist would give certain sounds a special and no other sound could get that dub no matter how much money a next sound want pay. Now every sound have the same tune...no exclusivity. Lack of Creativity also assist in creating the void as well. Selector dem dunce bad and cannot cut tune. Pure man pack up Inna sound clash and no woman help kill it too. Before man used to carry dem woman come a dance nuh matter if a clash or not. Now a pure man a forward Inna dance and a hog down video light. We all have to agree that many things from different sections of the business contributed to the downfall of sound clash.
Upon listening to all 3 parts I didn’t one time hear anything regarding to Covid.
Sound clash was going good before Covid . Of course there are other factors but Covid was the nail in the coffin.
The only thing you were guilty off Chin, was being a trail blazer.
It’s clear that other promoters used your ideas to ensure their promotions were a success.
This is why it would be good to have a proper competition like a Champions league etc governed by proper regulators who have the best interest of the industry.
Dancehall and reggae music is global. There are hundreds if not thousands of sounds that love the sound clash culture.
We need a independent organisation to bring the whole industry forward that will leave a positive legacy long after we are gone.
Great series of videos 👊🏽✊🏽☝🏽
Oh, I’m that someone you are looking for that has abundance of ideas to fit todays world.
Our culture need to stop blaming and start taking responsibility. It seems like when there is proper structure in place there’s always people rebellious against it as they like chaos. Everyone is talking about what went wrong or going wrong but no solution or idea of how to fix it.
No true that worth less trophy killed clash there 10000 belts in boxing and boxing still alive
What water down sound clash is the foolish 7 sound in one clash and who bring dat yes irish and chin. Chin ah talk like he started sound clash🤣🤣🤣 he just helped fucked it up now him run garn from it and ah chat ah bag ah ting pon him radio
To say i fucked up sound clash.... you have to also say that you are smarter than the 1000's of clash fans in the industry the support me for 25year lol... ask yourshelf are you that smart ?
Have a World Clash every 4 years like World Cup.....just a thought
The trophies help to mitigate multiple Soundsystems claiming they won a clash. Not sure how trophies killed the culture.
Bredda stop beat up yourself u made the world recognize sound system movements bro take your flowers
Bless
Not just trophy inflation.
But soundclash has a HIGHLANDER - DUNCAN MCLEOD problem.
The DINOSAURS were so effective at killing, they are like a coalition of dominant male lions who did not allow any cubs to grow up to be in a position to challenge them. They did not RAISE THEIR OWN CUBS TO REPLACE them, they killed everything, to the point where the entire savanah became a barren wasteland with no new blood for the lions to feed on.
How can the clash platform be rebuilt - to consistently attract and retain the younger generations the way the JUGGLING platform does?
If wrestling, boxing & futbol can attract and retain young female audiences, how comes soundclash is not currently able to do that?
Dinosaurs only seem to want to war amongst themselves for big $.
What the clash platform needs is for the DINOSAURS to train & raise cubs. Bridging generations - to sustain and expand the CLASH ARENA.
Clashes need fi be tag team now. Where LINKS, TROOPER, MADGIE etc each TEAM UP with new blood.
And the clashes become.
DinosaurA + youngsound A vs Dinosaur 1 + youngsound 1.
Thats the format. Tagteam of vintage & younging.. mix and match.
Bragging rights nowadays ought not be about which DINOSAUR or longtime sound can kill..
But which one of them can partner with and/or raise FRESH NEW TALENT to reach their STANDARD OF KILLING WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIME.
Soundclash need to go into DANNYDREAD TEACHER MODE.. in order for the platform not go extinct.
2 prong sgrategy needed.
Danny dread mode + infiltrate JUGGLING ARENA mode.
You became the top promoter by default, THAT AND ONLY THAT KILLED SOUND CLASH
But one of the things that really make de clash thing not go on like one time it a like how some sound just to brag would go to a dance and a clash would just start out of the blue trooper and links babyface , winterfrish,lil wicked were famous for that just go to a dance and start war for bargain rights
i think a lot of lap top djs killed sound clash and social media. it is not the same no more . when you go to a sound clash you only hear 1 min of a song if that
Trophy is a good thing and that’s it.
I think selectors play the music short they they talk over the song and don’t let people listen to the song I think that’s a contribute to the downfall of Soundclash not only Soundclash but juggling
I also think that other resson was to counteract what Irish and Chin was doing buy saying that you don't have to go to world clash to get a trophy 🏆 we can keep a clash and we will give you a trophy also. But the problem with that there was and is their no value to there clash especially most of those clashes were one off events and not kept yearly 🤔
Yes that's what me feel. Worthless trophy mash ting up...everyone wanting to be major league without playing in the minors is a problem. By the time trophy roll out dem supposed to keep dem own dance to clash their neighbourhood rival etc., So it's not just on you Chin but also the Sounds that decide promoter job to promote and fame supposed to just roll up to sound with no work.
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You going into Soundclash was the worst thing that ever happened to Soundclash Irish and chin I stand on that and I’ll tell you to your face and million times
Lol.... another bitter person who's opinion is filled with no facts and hatred...My dude I kinda dont care what you think lol... and I will tell you that to your face million times !! You watching my shit dawg... i would never support someone I hate so much !! You playing yourself kid !!
Let’s be real sound system that has extra curriculum activity mash up sound business
Too many sound not enuff leagues. Too many sound to see the amount of work a sound a put in. Would be nice to see a state league or country league that would lead to a world clash, a league would create rivry in states . Gotta be more league.
Your league is the FIFA World Cup of sound clashing. You're not responsible for the actions of others. If they choose to hand out trophies for "scrimmages," then they're the ones who cheapened de ting. I think this is another example Jamaicans lacking business acumen.
Disrespectfull foul mouth selectors/MCs playing a dub for 10 seconds..greedy artists with no integrety
This is more of a question because I don’t know. Apart from stone love is there any other sound that makes a profit out of the business with all investment it takes to build the sound and upkeep????
Prob bass Odessy now sound clash is a non profit organisation from day one but no one wants to run their sound as a business it’s just war and dubs and who can play this and that.
Mighty Crown is the most financially SUCCESSFUL sound to date hands down !!!
@@garfieldbourne2448 financially they spend the most for dubs and they don’t get any free because every artist assume they have the bag . I have been on many of the jamrock cruise 🚢 and personally knows they cuts lots of special just for whom they are playing against.not to debate you but they do it for love no profit that’s why they’re leaving the business . PS they’re the ones who caused artists to change so much for dubs 👂👍
It was no more creativity in Soundclash after 2003. In 2004 All the sounds Had the same Dubs . Mighty crown Is the Successful sound but have no identity They cut all of the big sounds big songs the same way World clash 99 in one fi one might crown play 10 of kattaroc big songs And the same riddims in 2000 might crown Start to cut LP and jaro King Addies and downbeat big song might Crown Is a dub collector and that’s what killed Soundclash All Dub collectors Collecting other sounds dubs
Promoters all of you guys killed the sound clash ting
Saxon killed Bodyguard in the UK World Clash but they added a extra decision and the moment was lost.
Saxon killed all the sounds that night.
Saxon can only kill in UK 😂😂😂😂 Newyork sounds like DownBeat LP King Addies others will run over dat
And you can't say a trophy with 50 in a dance don't count its just a lower level trophy the worst player in the nba probably has tons of trophy from high school and street tournaments etc. He's just not on lebron kd curry level etc
I. Would not say Irish and chin kill the things its more about the young sounds on young sound from Jamaica are not emerging and only some of the NY songs are good but them hit a brick wall the best thing right now around is Jakes ss, and addies still, problem Shawn right now I like but all the rest sounds that kicking ass are the older sound man them
Honestly bro i hear u but the artist dem don’t have nuh style either so bringing them ideas is out the picture
The schoolyard insults and worse still constant screaming down the mic from selectors is off putting to a lot of reggae / dancehall fans. Ok Tony Screw and a few others conduct themselves like adults but they are exceptions!
Lee major from earth ruler to this day says he won the 1 clash against addies if a trophy was given he would have to stop saying it. Baby face admits that Saxon won the trophy that night but he was cheated but he never says he won because the trophy was giving to saxon he say he was robbed of the 🏆
hmmm your guilty fam
Your facts are Flawed and I don’t believe you tell the truth either
This guy is delusional he’s off the Richter scale he really talks like he’s done sat and out here for reggae music this guy even made one song how many record labels have you got how many artist could you make eat food foreverOr did you just license a couple of man’s tunes and talking about dubs don’t make it your fingers not on the pulse Bredda Reason my dad is not cutting it is cold babe Orlando and instinct and no new ones ain’t coming out All these new artists the rubbish
Lionface is the GOAT and squingy and panta are the WOAT's
Wait a minute how are you talking about having your own thing/league within someone’s else ting !!!! You didn’t Event Soundclash for you to be talking about my leak your bloodclart bright you believe say because you spent money on records Which you don’t own your license them, You feel say that you have Right to talk about mine you need to sit down big man I’ll say it again you are the worst team ever happened to Soundclash bout my league