I do not think you are looking deep enough into this. Government has re-created marriage as an institution. Many of the default standards set forth by government have no relevance to biblical definition of marriage and many times clash with scripture. A redifined marriage contract could be the way to ensure two people marry for the right reasons. Not the wrong ones. Keep government out of marriage, because government will define marriage in whatever way benefits them the most.
So your saying keep government out of marriage by putting government in marriage by way of signing a prenup, this doesn’t make sense. I think prenup are more of a heart and morals issue then a legal one.
@@jolynnmarie725 nah its because this preacher is not telling the whole truth. He is not telling you that 56% of marriage end up in divorce. I would like to get a prenup to protect my self in case i end up in the 56%. I make 120k a yr and i dont want to give half juste because…
Married a woman who loved Christ. Had a prenuptial written up. Got married. She lied. God got rid of her for me. I got everything and she went to hell.
Can you please explain- What do you mean you got everything and she went to hell lol. If you get this notification PLEASE EXPLAIN. This is what I am scared of.
@@Chris-jn8gd She lied about being a follower of Christ like the many women I've grown up around. A cultural Christian to say the least that thinks Chritianity is just being nice and polite. "Having a form of godliness by denying its power"
It's 2017 no one is perfect there needs to be a consequence for breaking vows. So if a person cheats they should not still be able to benefit financially from the relationship that they did not honor. No one is perfect....get a prenup.
Good post, sister. I realize that nobody goes into a marriage with the belief that it will fail. But unfortunately, we live in a world where marriages fail, and vows are not honored. Of course, God does not want divorce, but then again, there were many things in the bible that God didn't want to happen -- but they did. To me, a pre-nup is a matter of personal protection, something like car insurance.
Trust is one of the signs of love. When you really trust your bf/gf, thats the right time to marry her/him, because marriage is about two persons who really love to each other with their trusts to be as one. Whats the purpose of marriage if you still have doubts with your partner? Take time to know each other first before getting married, so that you would know if you can trully trust that person completely or not.
With all my heart I tell you that marriage is for the children of this world. If God sends a man to a woman who asked for one like Jesus, that woman must be prepared to give up everything for him including family friends brothers sisters property even her own life. For she will encounter the Perfect and Holy and she will submit to him in all things and look up at him in Awe. It will cost her everything.
One of the things you miss entirely is death of a spouse. Prenuptial agreements are a necessary consideration for those who marry a second or third time especially. To protect the inheritance of your children or grand children a prenup is extremely useful...even in the lives of Christians who remarry another Christian. The married couple may never have a problem but you never know about others who come in like wolves seeking to destroy after a spouse has died.
Hence why you have to be careful of who you marry. You check out the family dynamics and you seek God to guide you. Regardless of whether you protect your asserts or not, when you marry, you are joint, you loose certain selfish privileges on BOTH sides.
Christians need to understand that we are humans which means we're not perfect. Trusting someone doesn't prevent them from messing up in the future. The Bible says we were born in sin and it's only through the mercies of God we're forgiven. Also, I've always heard people quote that when two persons are married they become one(it's Biblical). However, when they're divorced, they're no longer married. The Bible didn't say we should be one while divorced. During the marriage, yes we'd be one but if we're divorced we're no longer together. I'm like 20 and this topic has been leading me away from marriage.
Covenantal marriage is unbreakable regardless of how the state views your relationship. "What therefore God hath brought together, let no man put asunder." If you do not continue to love and serve her even after she "divorces" you in the eyes of the state, you are admitting that your initial vow was conditional. If it was conditional it was void from the very beginning and was never a real marriage. A man is called to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. That means that from his perspective his love must be absolute, whether she is faithful as well or not (see the story of Hosea as an example).
That's not really a biblical response to that question. People can be God-fearing, yet sin years after marrying you. With no children involved, it's easier to lose your home to a person that never invested in it before you met them. But when they turn from God after say 10 years married and there are more children as well, you can be surprised. Widows should definitely get a pre-nup if they remarry even a fellow Christian. They might be protecting the rights of any children from their first marriage. We all sin. Even Jesus did not trust the heart of man.
You have no control over the actions of the other party despite how committed you are. Ultimate trust is reserved for the Lord, not your partner. Saying if you don't trust someone don't marry is problematic because humans are broken and that level of trust is not warranted. You may give trust but the reality of the trustworthiness can only be approximated. Anyone who has experienced infidelity will understand this. The government allows no fault divorce and the courts favor one person over the other in division of assets. This isn't a spiritual issue but a legal one. God allowed certificates of divorce to protect a woman after being unfairly divorced. Man is hard of heart and laws need to be put in place to protect people from sins of others. In law a prenup helps fix problems of the legal system in terms of fairness and justice. It also isn't just about assets but children. A short blanket statement or answer is not appropriate for a non doctrinal wisdom issue.
Very good point. God hates divorce. It's a sin to divorce and remarry. But yet God said write a certificate of divorce. It's a legal issue. Not a spiritual one. The truth is we live in a sin cursed world where divorce exists
I’m sorry but the reason God allowed a certificate of divorce is not because the person was ‘unfairly divorced’ but because one person committed adultery, that is the only reason someone may get a certificate of divorce. if you are entering a marriage with a prenup (to protect your earthly assets, which could sprout wings and fly away) it is based out of complete selfishness and you should not get married. I have heard of poor people get married and stay married forever and yet people with ‘money’ cannot seem to do the same, it’s not a money or legal issue, it’s a heart (moral issue). I hope you find true love one day but most importantly I hope you receive the love of Jesus Christ so his true love can flow out of you to your future husband or wife. This is the sacrificial love we need to have when entering into marriages, bc this is the only love that will sustain a marriage. God bless you and your family.
@@jolynnmarie725 kind of presumptive to assume others aren't saved because you disagree on a non-central doctrine. Also in cases of adultery no certificate needed to be provided as adultery was a capital crime. Consider that perhaps your theology may be incorrect given that you were in error with your understanding of certificates of divorce. You remember in Matthew regarding the women caught in adultery...
Covenants and contracts are not the same. The first is absolute, the second is conditional. The marriage vows are not conditional just as God's love is not conditional. If you add conditions to your marriage you have already made your marriage vows void.
A covenant is not a contract; With a contract, if one agreeing party does something in violation of the contract then it is considered broken. The whole contract becomes null and void. Basically the signers of a contract agree to hold up their ends as long as the other signatories hold up theirs too. With a covenant, both parties agree to hold up their ends regardless of whether the other party keeps their part of the agreement. A violation of a covenant by one party doesn’t matter as far as the other party’s responsibility to continue to do what they agreed to do.
That’s the problem though. All too often, one person or both parties do hold true to the covenant. So the prenup is there to direct where to go from there
Amen Brother's, people who say God permitted divorce and also those that say death of a partner may put their inheritage in Jeopardy and use it to justify a prenupt are basically twisting God's word to say what they want to hear, everything we have belongs to God, he has given us all things for a time and he is able to protect what he has put into our charge, if we treasure that much the tangible things we have in our possession then our priorities are in the wrong place and we need to get right with God before we even consider to get married, God has said that " where our treasures are, there our hearts will be also"
When you marry you both bring your money and put it into the family. The two become one. There is no such thing as my money, your money. It is our money. So having a prenup implies that you don't trust that person and you should not get married.
You made a simple question way to complicated. The answer? YES. Why? Because the numbers say you will divorce. God or Christianity have nothing to do with it. We are not perfect creatures and we make mistakes.
Peace to you, and may you be blessed today as you grow in your relationship with Christ. First of all, the bible states that divorce is not an option except in the instance of infidelity. However, this exception was only allowed 'as a concession to your hard hearts'. [Matthew 19:8; SEE: 19:9 - NLT] It came about as a result of the relentlessly selfish nature we humans have. On the other hand, you are correct in your assertion regarding the Lords' hand in the matter of human nature. We are solely to blame for our past, present, and future circumstances - both internal and external. Second of all, we humans are not perfect. [SEE: Romans 3:23] However, we are commanded to be holy and live in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord. [SEE: 1 Peter 1:15-16; Romans 12:1] In short, divorce is NOT an option for genuine followers of our Lord and Savior. I would urge you to seek the Lord through prayer and studying your bible for wisdom regarding this issue. May the Lord grant you clarity through the Holy Spirit, and may He also bless you as you seek to live according to His design.
+Brandyn James, you are correct when you say "divorce is not an option for a follower of christ". Please realise that only Matthew (not Mark or Luke) has the "exception". If you read Matthew 1 carefully you will see that Joseph and Mary almost got Divorced because of infidelity, yet they were not married. The exception is for a jewish engagement contract prior to actual marriage, once married there is no exception.
The Loobis So true, I have friends and family who are Christians who married Christians and still ended up divorced. Christians are human like everyone else!
@@graspunwrapped1124 I agree that marriage is a relationship for life, and I'am all in it for life in my heart and mind. But I can't say the same for my future spouse, even though i can love them, trust I cannot because reality of the situation is that in modern times women initiate divorce majority of the time. So if I'am financially well off going in, I don't want to end up homeless due to divorce that she initiated. I'am sorry I'm a believer but I still see plenty of american Christians divorcing, and God knows that in my heart I can never trust women. I can only control my part loving and fulfilling my marriage vows, I can't say for the other party.
@@micktheotter9167 if you never trust women, you shouldn't marry a woman. Do you seriously think God looks into your heart, sees you don't trust women, and wants you to marry one of his daughters? It's fine to stay single and celibate, that is what God asks of some of his children. It is a real vocation.
I think prenuptials can be done wrongly where the focus is on goods and being unwilling to give oneself totally to the other. A prenuptial could also show that one isn't getting married purely for financial reasons. There can also be situations of abuse once married. It seems wise to put in place incentives which discourage it or at least not reward it, especially if separation makes sense due to abuse. I particularly refer to legal abuse where one side may falsely claim abuse by the other.
Please correct me.. Does BIBLE forbid eating PORK? Does BIBLE forbid getting intoxicated? Does BIBLE mandate women to cover her head and men to lower their gaze? If answer is yes to all of the above then what is the point of discussing prenup Or not.. I mean 1st make Christians follow basic principles of christianity ..
I like watermark church but this is the dumbest chit I've ever heard. Bro, women seek divorce 75% of the time after earning scarcely any of the money in the relationship. Get a prenup for the love of God...
Why would my money division per state law even be part of the equation for marriage? People do make mistakes and being in love can cloud judgment. Even the cautious can be deceived, it is part of trust. Removing temptation for people to "steal" from you via marriage in the courting phase isn't planning to fail at marriage.
Dividing assets is not a God or biblical issue. The State already has a prenup in place! I will pull from God's book render on to ceaser what is ceasers!
I would be fine with that however I don't understand why we allow the state into our marriage, the state itself prohibits divorce. I mean 42% percent of marriage among CHRISTIANS end in divorce. Its hard to explain to your husband or wife that you can't get a divorce (Lord's command) when the state enables it. Then you criticize Christian to getting a prenuptial agreement which is by the state. The problem is the state just at the problems it causes example.. annulment right, even when after you say "I do" before the officiant can file that paperwork to the county any party have the right to void it... are you still married in God's eye. How about self-uniting with out a pastor or officiant or how about common law marriage. God was simple when a man becomes a husband and when a woman becomes a wife and that point is at engagement. fiancée literally means "a wife to be married " plus there's plenty of scripture to back it up. Hope this helps
Nope because you should not be thinking about getting a divorce because God doesn't like divorce unless it is someone in the marriage that has had sex outside the marriage then you can get a divorce.
🙄 80 to 90% of divorces filed by women. Each state has a prenup in place ! You our just modifing the state verson of how your assets will or will not be Divided!
I do not think you are looking deep enough into this. Government has re-created marriage as an institution. Many of the default standards set forth by government have no relevance to biblical definition of marriage and many times clash with scripture. A redifined marriage contract could be the way to ensure two people marry for the right reasons. Not the wrong ones. Keep government out of marriage, because government will define marriage in whatever way benefits them the most.
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Well said!
So your saying keep government out of marriage by putting government in marriage by way of signing a prenup, this doesn’t make sense. I think prenup are more of a heart and morals issue then a legal one.
@@jolynnmarie725 nah its because this preacher is not telling the whole truth. He is not telling you that 56% of marriage end up in divorce. I would like to get a prenup to protect my self in case i end up in the 56%. I make 120k a yr and i dont want to give half juste because…
@@jolynnmarie725 the prenup is a government contract the balance out the standard government contract to make it not suicide
Married a woman who loved Christ. Had a prenuptial written up. Got married. She lied. God got rid of her for me. I got everything and she went to hell.
Can you please explain- What do you mean you got everything and she went to hell lol. If you get this notification PLEASE EXPLAIN. This is what I am scared of.
@@Chris-jn8gd 😂same I want to know too
@@Chris-jn8gd She lied about being a follower of Christ like the many women I've grown up around. A cultural Christian to say the least that thinks Chritianity is just being nice and polite.
"Having a form of godliness by denying its power"
Heck yeah
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It's 2017 no one is perfect there needs to be a consequence for breaking vows. So if a person cheats they should not still be able to benefit financially from the relationship that they did not honor. No one is perfect....get a prenup.
Good post, sister.
I realize that nobody goes into a marriage with the belief that it will fail. But unfortunately, we live in a world where marriages fail, and vows are not honored. Of course, God does not want divorce, but then again, there were many things in the bible that God didn't want to happen -- but they did.
To me, a pre-nup is a matter of personal protection, something like car insurance.
Trust is one of the signs of love. When you really trust your bf/gf, thats the right time to marry her/him, because marriage is about two persons who really love to each other with their trusts to be as one. Whats the purpose of marriage if you still have doubts with your partner? Take time to know each other first before getting married, so that you would know if you can trully trust that person completely or not.
With all my heart I tell you that marriage is for the children of this world. If God sends a man to a woman who asked for one like Jesus, that woman must be prepared to give up everything for him including family friends brothers sisters property even her own life. For she will encounter the Perfect and Holy and she will submit to him in all things and look up at him in Awe. It will cost her everything.
There is a prenup in play already its called the " State " a prenup is a modification of that!
80% of divorces filed by women
One of the things you miss entirely is death of a spouse. Prenuptial agreements are a necessary consideration for those who marry a second or third time especially. To protect the inheritance of your children or grand children a prenup is extremely useful...even in the lives of Christians who remarry another Christian. The married couple may never have a problem but you never know about others who come in like wolves seeking to destroy after a spouse has died.
Hence why you have to be careful of who you marry. You check out the family dynamics and you seek God to guide you. Regardless of whether you protect your asserts or not, when you marry, you are joint, you loose certain selfish privileges on BOTH sides.
Here it is "If we get divorced, we will give ALL our money to the poor."
Christians need to understand that we are humans which means we're not perfect. Trusting someone doesn't prevent them from messing up in the future. The Bible says we were born in sin and it's only through the mercies of God we're forgiven.
Also, I've always heard people quote that when two persons are married they become one(it's Biblical). However, when they're divorced, they're no longer married. The Bible didn't say we should be one while divorced. During the marriage, yes we'd be one but if we're divorced we're no longer together.
I'm like 20 and this topic has been leading me away from marriage.
Covenantal marriage is unbreakable regardless of how the state views your relationship. "What therefore God hath brought together, let no man put asunder." If you do not continue to love and serve her even after she "divorces" you in the eyes of the state, you are admitting that your initial vow was conditional. If it was conditional it was void from the very beginning and was never a real marriage. A man is called to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. That means that from his perspective his love must be absolute, whether she is faithful as well or not (see the story of Hosea as an example).
That's not really a biblical response to that question. People can be God-fearing, yet sin years after marrying you. With no children involved, it's easier to lose your home to a person that never invested in it before you met them. But when they turn from God after say 10 years married and there are more children as well, you can be surprised. Widows should definitely get a pre-nup if they remarry even a fellow Christian. They might be protecting the rights of any children from their first marriage. We all sin. Even Jesus did not trust the heart of man.
You have no control over the actions of the other party despite how committed you are. Ultimate trust is reserved for the Lord, not your partner. Saying if you don't trust someone don't marry is problematic because humans are broken and that level of trust is not warranted. You may give trust but the reality of the trustworthiness can only be approximated. Anyone who has experienced infidelity will understand this.
The government allows no fault divorce and the courts favor one person over the other in division of assets. This isn't a spiritual issue but a legal one.
God allowed certificates of divorce to protect a woman after being unfairly divorced. Man is hard of heart and laws need to be put in place to protect people from sins of others. In law a prenup helps fix problems of the legal system in terms of fairness and justice. It also isn't just about assets but children.
A short blanket statement or answer is not appropriate for a non doctrinal wisdom issue.
Very good point. God hates divorce. It's a sin to divorce and remarry. But yet God said write a certificate of divorce. It's a legal issue. Not a spiritual one. The truth is we live in a sin cursed world where divorce exists
I’m sorry but the reason God allowed a certificate of divorce is not because the person was ‘unfairly divorced’ but because one person committed adultery, that is the only reason someone may get a certificate of divorce. if you are entering a marriage with a prenup (to protect your earthly assets, which could sprout wings and fly away) it is based out of complete selfishness and you should not get married. I have heard of poor people get married and stay married forever and yet people with ‘money’ cannot seem to do the same, it’s not a money or legal issue, it’s a heart (moral issue). I hope you find true love one day but
most importantly I hope you receive the love of Jesus Christ so his true love can flow out of you to your future husband or wife. This is the sacrificial love we need to have when entering into marriages, bc this is the only love that will sustain a marriage. God bless you and your family.
@@jolynnmarie725 kind of presumptive to assume others aren't saved because you disagree on a non-central doctrine. Also in cases of adultery no certificate needed to be provided as adultery was a capital crime. Consider that perhaps your theology may be incorrect given that you were in error with your understanding of certificates of divorce. You remember in Matthew regarding the women caught in adultery...
@@tl1405 Matthew 5:31 ESV
@@jolynnmarie725 continue to verse 23. The implication is that they were divorcing for reasons outside of infidelity, ergo the "but".
Covenants and contracts are not the same. The first is absolute, the second is conditional. The marriage vows are not conditional just as God's love is not conditional. If you add conditions to your marriage you have already made your marriage vows void.
A covenant is not a contract;
With a contract, if one agreeing party does something in violation of the contract then it is considered broken. The whole contract becomes null and void. Basically the signers of a contract agree to hold up their ends as long as the other signatories hold up theirs too.
With a covenant, both parties agree to hold up their ends regardless of whether the other party keeps their part of the agreement. A violation of a covenant by one party doesn’t matter as far as the other party’s responsibility to continue to do what they agreed to do.
That’s the problem though. All too often, one person or both parties do hold true to the covenant. So the prenup is there to direct where to go from there
Amen Brother's, people who say God permitted divorce and also those that say death of a partner may put their inheritage in Jeopardy and use it to justify a prenupt are basically twisting God's word to say what they want to hear, everything we have belongs to God, he has given us all things for a time and he is able to protect what he has put into our charge, if we treasure that much the tangible things we have in our possession then our priorities are in the wrong place and we need to get right with God before we even consider to get married, God has said that " where our treasures are, there our hearts will be also"
Exactly period. This is a sign to show that people are not fit for a true godly marriage. And that requires sacrifice on both parts.
If people love money and assets over God don't get marry.
When you marry you both bring your money and put it into the family. The two become one. There is no such thing as my money, your money. It is our money. So having a prenup implies that you don't trust that person and you should not get married.
Lol
I’m Muslim . I agree with the pastor and our Imams mostly say the same thing
You made a simple question way to complicated. The answer? YES. Why? Because the numbers say you will divorce. God or Christianity have nothing to do with it. We are not perfect creatures and we make mistakes.
Peace to you, and may you be blessed today as you grow in your relationship with Christ.
First of all, the bible states that divorce is not an option except in the instance of infidelity. However, this exception was only allowed 'as a concession to your hard hearts'. [Matthew 19:8; SEE: 19:9 - NLT] It came about as a result of the relentlessly selfish nature we humans have. On the other hand, you are correct in your assertion regarding the Lords' hand in the matter of human nature. We are solely to blame for our past, present, and future circumstances - both internal and external.
Second of all, we humans are not perfect. [SEE: Romans 3:23] However, we are commanded to be holy and live in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord. [SEE: 1 Peter 1:15-16; Romans 12:1]
In short, divorce is NOT an option for genuine followers of our Lord and Savior. I would urge you to seek the Lord through prayer and studying your bible for wisdom regarding this issue.
May the Lord grant you clarity through the Holy Spirit, and may He also bless you as you seek to live according to His design.
+Brandyn James, you are correct when you say "divorce is not an option for a follower of christ". Please realise that only Matthew (not Mark or Luke) has the "exception". If you read Matthew 1 carefully you will see that Joseph and Mary almost got Divorced because of infidelity, yet they were not married. The exception is for a jewish engagement contract prior to actual marriage, once married there is no exception.
The Loobis So true, I have friends and family who are Christians who married Christians and still ended up divorced. Christians are human like everyone else!
@@graspunwrapped1124 I agree that marriage is a relationship for life, and I'am all in it for life in my heart and mind. But I can't say the same for my future spouse, even though i can love them, trust I cannot because reality of the situation is that in modern times women initiate divorce majority of the time. So if I'am financially well off going in, I don't want to end up homeless due to divorce that she initiated. I'am sorry I'm a believer but I still see plenty of american Christians divorcing, and God knows that in my heart I can never trust women. I can only control my part loving and fulfilling my marriage vows, I can't say for the other party.
@@micktheotter9167 if you never trust women, you shouldn't marry a woman.
Do you seriously think God looks into your heart, sees you don't trust women, and wants you to marry one of his daughters?
It's fine to stay single and celibate, that is what God asks of some of his children. It is a real vocation.
I think prenuptials can be done wrongly where the focus is on goods and being unwilling to give oneself totally to the other. A prenuptial could also show that one isn't getting married purely for financial reasons.
There can also be situations of abuse once married. It seems wise to put in place incentives which discourage it or at least not reward it, especially if separation makes sense due to abuse. I particularly refer to legal abuse where one side may falsely claim abuse by the other.
I agree. A prenup isn’t biblical.
Bad advise.
Please correct me..
Does BIBLE forbid eating PORK?
Does BIBLE forbid getting intoxicated?
Does BIBLE mandate women to cover her head and men to lower their gaze?
If answer is yes to all of the above then what is the point of discussing prenup Or not.. I mean 1st make Christians follow basic principles of christianity ..
Just a theological note; the New Covenant does not forbid Christians from eating pork, only the Old.
As a Muslim we hold the same view on prenuptial agreements. They are halal (permissible) and also recommended by the scholars.
I like watermark church but this is the dumbest chit I've ever heard. Bro, women seek divorce 75% of the time after earning scarcely any of the money in the relationship. Get a prenup for the love of God...
If u can't trust God nor yourself.. Don't get married.. God doesn't follow the state laws..he has his own and that's the real law..
This assessment is incomplete at best.
Why would my money division per state law even be part of the equation for marriage? People do make mistakes and being in love can cloud judgment. Even the cautious can be deceived, it is part of trust. Removing temptation for people to "steal" from you via marriage in the courting phase isn't planning to fail at marriage.
Dividing assets is not a God or biblical issue. The State already has a prenup in place! I will pull from God's book render on to ceaser what is ceasers!
Is it just me or its a bit confusing? I thought he said do get a prenuptial agreement at the start
Thank you for this video.
+Nakidz You're welcome!
I thought they were gonna say something else I respect this video good video
I would be fine with that however I don't understand why we allow the state into our marriage, the state itself prohibits divorce. I mean 42% percent of marriage among CHRISTIANS end in divorce. Its hard to explain to your husband or wife that you can't get a divorce (Lord's command) when the state enables it. Then you criticize Christian to getting a prenuptial agreement which is by the state. The problem is the state just at the problems it causes example.. annulment right, even when after you say "I do" before the officiant can file that paperwork to the county any party have the right to void it... are you still married in God's eye. How about self-uniting with out a pastor or officiant or how about common law marriage. God was simple when a man becomes a husband and when a woman becomes a wife and that point is at engagement. fiancée literally means "a wife to be married " plus there's plenty of scripture to back it up. Hope this helps
Nope because you should not be thinking about getting a divorce because God doesn't like divorce unless it is someone in the marriage that has had sex outside the marriage then you can get a divorce.
Too idealistic
Not practical
People change
Amen🙌
Great wisdom on prenuptial
🙄 80 to 90% of divorces filed by women. Each state has a prenup in place ! You our just modifing the state verson of how your assets will or will not be Divided!
This was great advice, thank you!
Amazing