For me the most interesting part of this talk is the idea that intuition is a type of transcendental logic that allows you to understand the truths that govern rules. Or put another way, you could say it allows for the understanding of why a given set of rules are true. If humans are capable of that kind of thinking, then I would say it has probably been used in some form by the greatest minds to learn about the fundamental truths of reality.
Intuition does not tell you why something is true. Mathematical truth is self evident, it is simply like that. Why implies a reason, when you couldn't come up with any. Some research has been done to see if it is innate, and least certain intuition about the physics of the world is pre-programmed, as grammar (Chomsky). A small random feature that allows you to find out about the Big Bang. "Random" is a funny word
Glad you enjoyed Roger's talk, Sahil. You might like these videos too: The Next Universe - iai.tv/video/the-next-universe2 Truth and Beauty - iai.tv/video/truth-and-beauty Big Bang Myths = iai.tv/video/big-bang-creation-myths
Thank you for doing this I really appreciate it Penrose. Always lovely to listen to his exquisite and beautifully explained genius on stage. He seems to get better and better with age all the best! Always gives me a smile and giggle too haha. He’s not unpopular he’s misunderstood you numpty
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Sir Roger Penrose is absolutely right, conscious must be.a quntam process, as it involves nonlocality as it experiences multillocal perception simultaneously..
i for get which book, but i remember seeing one of escher's illustrations when i was quite young, it's appealing to think penrose found inspiration for maths and science as i did, i just wish i had his capability. i didn't realise ryan reynolds was so interested in science and philosophy.
Consciousness was there even before this universe existed. It will be there when this universe ends. This universe and each particle is a manifestation of that consciousness, including humans. We as humans and other species are simply aware of this universe at a mental level through sensory organs and our mind to interpret that awareness. We only have to learn to shut down our external senses and focus all attention within ourselves to access and experience that consciousness. That's when we become one with the whole cosmos and every other being, because all of us are one and the same.
@@sadeivprasanna780 What you are talking about is mental awareness, which along with this universe is a manifestation of consciousness or the absolute. Our mental awareness arises out of that consciousness and not the other way round. Consciousness does not perish when we die, neither is it destroyed along with the universe. It will simply merge back in the absolute unmanifest consciousness, i.e., within itself.
@@mayankn1 just to believe something religious scriptures against our logical experience is not good so you please think. people can live years without consciousness because consciousness is a product of conscience matter if that matters energy is not sufficient that can activate consciousness in human life then person can live but person cannot become "I am so and so"
@@sadeivprasanna780 Logical experience is not the right argument. You wont be able to defend quantum mechanics, or for that matter general relativity with that logic. That's your assumption that consciousness is a product of matter, at present you (anyone through their everyday perception) don't even know what exactly is consciousness or how to define it. Physicists are slowly concluding its not possible to make significant progress without encompassing consciousness in the equation. Read this - www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html?m=1 and www.express.co.uk/news/science/1179412/the-universe-what-is-consciousness-part-of-bigger-universe-meaning-human
I'm not clear about what you are supposing. At first it sounded like a sort of spiritual claim, then switched to a sort of panpsychism. You ended with more spiritualism. Since we have no way to observe anything outside of our universe, I am not clear on the utility of this hypothesis. I'm not a big fan of panpsychism either because it redefines consciousness and supposes it as some fundamental property of all matter. This, too, has no utility that I can see. I do see utility in blurring the lines of consciousness, awareness, and intelligence, etc. when discussing human minds, animal minds, or artificial intelligence. I do have issues with including rocks and planets and galaxies in the mix. I'll draw the lines even more sharply. A smart thermostat may be said to have intelligence and perhaps awareness, but it does not have consciousness (in my world view - I offer no proof).
The reviews I'm reading don't lend themselves towards being a good fit for the layman. Given that this video is geared towards layman, recommending one of Penrose's more technically dense books in the comment section may be a misstep.
If you can have any scale piece, you can tile the plane with no repetitions with any shape, its kind of trivial. Obviously not the same problem, but its kind of related
Thank you for doing this publication. I wondering with Penrose's work. I fall in logic and in love with the beauty physic thought. Math rules the logic.
Roger is an aspiring biocentrist. One missing link is that his assertion that the universe was here before consciousness is an example of the so called two realities, where the universe involves time (beginning and ending), where consiousness is timeless.
Hegel had very similar things to say about consciousness. Of course, Hegel didn't have access to the scientific discoveries that Penrose does. Just a thought from another old retired person.
@@ZOGGYDOGGY Penrose didn't win the Nobel for this bullshit. He won the Nobel for things he has done when his mind was still intact. It hasn't been for a long time. That is as tragic as it is human. Human minds break. His broke way too soon.
Roger Penrose is an amazing mathematician, scientist and thinker, but that business about a chess engine not being able to win from a position produced by him is simply false and has nothing to do with AI. In his criticism of people telling him that they could program an engine that beats that position, because they are just infusing the computer with their own knowledge, he is actually also levying criticism to himself, as a chess engine is nothing else in the first place than an infusion of human knowledge about chess into a program, so in essence his position is just showing up what the people that made the chess didn't consider. I would enjoy seeing Roger Penrose create an equivalent position in Go with the same effect on AlphaGo.
where is my comment? I suggest a new direction for resolving those basic problem in quantum mechanics. you can disagree with me, but I hope you keep my opinion here.
The Angels and Demons represent the surface of a black hole where information is stored? Then information should be stored infinitely at the atomic level too? Where there is Infinitude there is multiplicity (parallel universe) No Beginning or end?
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
it would be nice if you could back that up, science and all that you know, evidence, citations maybe, otherwise, i'm way smarter than penrose, and you.
@@GreyWind I felt Penrose hated him at the beginning, and tolerated him till the end. I don't think he realized he was not talking to an equal, and certainly didn't take advantage of his presence.
Penrose, greatest theoretical physicist alive by a mile, humble and gracious as few. Thank you for all you do for humankind.
We are witnessing greatness, Sir Roger Penrose.
For me the most interesting part of this talk is the idea that intuition is a type of transcendental logic that allows you to understand the truths that govern rules. Or put another way, you could say it allows for the understanding of why a given set of rules are true.
If humans are capable of that kind of thinking, then I would say it has probably been used in some form by the greatest minds to learn about the fundamental truths of reality.
I am not being funny but what does that mean for a rule or set of rules to be true ?
Institutions are not always a fact truth or right perception.
Intuition does not tell you why something is true. Mathematical truth is self evident, it is simply like that. Why implies a reason, when you couldn't come up with any.
Some research has been done to see if it is innate, and least certain intuition about the physics of the world is pre-programmed, as grammar (Chomsky).
A small random feature that allows you to find out about the Big Bang. "Random" is a funny word
Bravo to the presenter, has wide ranging depth of knowledge, the sense of humour helps , made the while event brilliant.
I think he might be one of smartest person alive.
Glad you enjoyed Roger's talk, Sahil. You might like these videos too: The Next Universe - iai.tv/video/the-next-universe2
Truth and Beauty - iai.tv/video/truth-and-beauty
Big Bang Myths = iai.tv/video/big-bang-creation-myths
@@TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas All links says "Video unavailable"
All roads lead back to Roger Penrose. He's that dude 💪💪💪
Thank you for doing this I really appreciate it Penrose. Always lovely to listen to his exquisite and beautifully explained genius on stage. He seems to get better and better with age all the best! Always gives me a smile and giggle too haha. He’s not unpopular he’s misunderstood you numpty
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@Lukas Ahmed thanks so much for your reply. I found the site thru google and Im in the hacking process atm.
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Why Britain has so many genius people? For a small place their contribution is enormous.
Their Queen believe and support science.. trumpers cut budgets of science
Sir Roger Penrose is absolutely right, conscious must be.a quntam process, as it involves nonlocality as it experiences multillocal perception simultaneously..
Interviewer is so enthusiastic. Well done. Penrose is a living legend.
i for get which book, but i remember seeing one of escher's illustrations when i was quite young, it's appealing to think penrose found inspiration for maths and science as i did, i just wish i had his capability. i didn't realise ryan reynolds was so interested in science and philosophy.
The channel has a low volume, could you please do something about it, otherwise what fabulous treats the videos are!
fantastic interviewer
Legend! 🙏🏼
I would love to hear Penrose, Einstein, and Newton hash out some topics for 8 or 10 hours.
Consciousness was there even before this universe existed. It will be there when this universe ends. This universe and each particle is a manifestation of that consciousness, including humans. We as humans and other species are simply aware of this universe at a mental level through sensory organs and our mind to interpret that awareness. We only have to learn to shut down our external senses and focus all attention within ourselves to access and experience that consciousness. That's when we become one with the whole cosmos and every other being, because all of us are one and the same.
consciousness is a product of conscience matters hence we cannot say consciousness is existing before this universe
@@sadeivprasanna780 What you are talking about is mental awareness, which along with this universe is a manifestation of consciousness or the absolute. Our mental awareness arises out of that consciousness and not the other way round. Consciousness does not perish when we die, neither is it destroyed along with the universe. It will simply merge back in the absolute unmanifest consciousness, i.e., within itself.
@@mayankn1 just to believe something religious scriptures against our logical experience is not good so you please think. people can live years without consciousness because consciousness is a product of conscience matter if that matters energy is not sufficient that can activate consciousness in human life then person can live but person cannot become "I am so and so"
@@sadeivprasanna780 Logical experience is not the right argument. You wont be able to defend quantum mechanics, or for that matter general relativity with that logic. That's your assumption that consciousness is a product of matter, at present you (anyone through their everyday perception) don't even know what exactly is consciousness or how to define it. Physicists are slowly concluding its not possible to make significant progress without encompassing consciousness in the equation. Read this - www.physics-astronomy.org/2019/07/quantum-theory-proves-that.html?m=1 and
www.express.co.uk/news/science/1179412/the-universe-what-is-consciousness-part-of-bigger-universe-meaning-human
I'm not clear about what you are supposing. At first it sounded like a sort of spiritual claim, then switched to a sort of panpsychism. You ended with more spiritualism.
Since we have no way to observe anything outside of our universe, I am not clear on the utility of this hypothesis.
I'm not a big fan of panpsychism either because it redefines consciousness and supposes it as some fundamental property of all matter. This, too, has no utility that I can see.
I do see utility in blurring the lines of consciousness, awareness, and intelligence, etc. when discussing human minds, animal minds, or artificial intelligence. I do have issues with including rocks and planets and galaxies in the mix.
I'll draw the lines even more sharply. A smart thermostat may be said to have intelligence and perhaps awareness, but it does not have consciousness (in my world view - I offer no proof).
Good ol Mr. Dr. Professor Sir Roger Penrose.... If it where not for This man i would have never learned to play pinochle or Bridge for that matter.
I strongly recommend Roger’s book Cycles of Time
The reviews I'm reading don't lend themselves towards being a good fit for the layman. Given that this video is geared towards layman, recommending one of Penrose's more technically dense books in the comment section may be a misstep.
If you can have any scale piece, you can tile the plane with no repetitions with any shape, its kind of trivial. Obviously not the same problem, but its kind of related
Thank you for doing this publication. I wondering with Penrose's work. I fall in logic and in love with the beauty physic thought. Math rules the logic.
Understanding is why rules work!
Roger is an aspiring biocentrist. One missing link is that his assertion that the universe was here before consciousness is an example of the so called two realities, where the universe involves time (beginning and ending), where consiousness is timeless.
It is super quiet?
put audio volume higher ffs, can almost not heer him
What is the Argument?
Hegel had very similar things to say about consciousness. Of course, Hegel didn't have access to the scientific discoveries that Penrose does. Just a thought from another old retired person.
Penrose doesn't have any scientific discoveries to base this bullshit on.
@@schmetterling4477 and you won the Nobel Prize in physics when?
@@ZOGGYDOGGY Penrose didn't win the Nobel for this bullshit. He won the Nobel for things he has done when his mind was still intact. It hasn't been for a long time. That is as tragic as it is human. Human minds break. His broke way too soon.
@@schmetterling4477 I hope that you're not an English teacher.
@@ZOGGYDOGGY I am not a teacher of anything. Neither are you a good student of anything. :-)
Well he just won a Nobel Prize
Some people want certainty as a religion, even when they know the answers will be inaccurate.
Roger Penrose is an amazing mathematician, scientist and thinker, but that business about a chess engine not being able to win from a position produced by him is simply false and has nothing to do with AI. In his criticism of people telling him that they could program an engine that beats that position, because they are just infusing the computer with their own knowledge, he is actually also levying criticism to himself, as a chess engine is nothing else in the first place than an infusion of human knowledge about chess into a program, so in essence his position is just showing up what the people that made the chess didn't consider. I would enjoy seeing Roger Penrose create an equivalent position in Go with the same effect on AlphaGo.
where is my comment? I suggest a new direction for resolving those basic problem in quantum mechanics. you can disagree with me, but I hope you keep my opinion here.
No
True.
Ask Penrose about Frank DiMeglio.
I asked Google.. and says you are "funny" Troll :)
The Angels and Demons represent the surface of a black hole where information is stored? Then information should be stored infinitely at the atomic level too? Where there is Infinitude there is multiplicity (parallel universe) No Beginning or end?
Actual intelligent Consciousness, AC, is an alternating current of timing, Quantum Operator Computation..?
That sounds like the power supply !
@@enidsnarb so it is
Omnidimensional Aether
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness
knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe
because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language
the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
Scientific religion.
Interviewer talks too much.
Liked interviewer, he do show respect to Roger and well deserved compliments!
So do you
Roger buddy, you are sooooo wrong about consciousness, machines and also chess. This video aged poorly
Frank DiMeglio is way smarter than Penrose.
it would be nice if you could back that up, science and all that you know, evidence, citations maybe, otherwise, i'm way smarter than penrose, and you.
Frank likes Skavlan to much....and the NFL
Frank DiMeglio has surpassed Einstein and Newton.
quite possibly, but as i have never heard of him, why are you shouting, how come he's so great?
I will be the kid who shouts "The king has no clothes!"
Roger Penrose is a terrible public speaker.
Bcs, you are expecting erdogan to speak about science too?
Interviewer is so enthusiastic. Well done. Penrose is a living legend.
golagaz more like pretentiously annoying
@@GreyWind I felt Penrose hated him at the beginning, and tolerated him till the end. I don't think he realized he was not talking to an equal, and certainly didn't take advantage of his presence.
@@cristianproust hahaha