You totally missed the point why DW is hated. The exact same reasons MVMT is hated, applies here. Dirt cheap watches bought from Aliexpress being sold for 20-30 times the price under the pretext of some silly origin story and disrupting the industry. Nothing to do with the designs of the watches.
@@melody3741they aren’t clones, they are made in the same factory as the Daniel wellington ones. DW went to the manufacturer asked them what watches they made chose a design and said “stick our logo on that” and then sell them at 5000% profit.
For my taste the problem with most RM watches is not the price, nor the complications nor ..., but the one keyfactor i for myself hold as the holy grale of watches in general, and that is the ability to read the time when i look at it. And here, as far as I can say RM just looses my respect as a watchmaker. I have to admit that i never ever had a RM in my hand and probably never will, but if videos of any kind are somehow close to what you see there is close to what you would see in reality you just cant read the time in a blink of an eye, and that is enough for me to not like them as a watch, maybe as a statement what someone can do mechanically in a very confined space, but not as a watch.
Yes! I know people love these crazy skeleton looking watch and it does indeed looks cool and all but pretty much impossible to tell the time with it at a glance. The old "just look at your phone" argument is seriously flawed, yes I mostly bought expensive pieces to admire the dial and build quality but I can't tell the damn time with it then it hold no value to me as a watch which defeat the purpose of wearing a watch to begin with
Nailed it Georg. These machines are amazing pieces of engineering, but as someone who is badly colour blind seeing the actual time is a real challenge. And that is the main reason for wearing a watch.
Well, I don't think I've ever read a bs story made up before by one of the brands that simply took over a quartz crisis victims name so this is a first for me. Brands like Festina, Lanco and the like usually just dodge the matter entirely in the hopes that no one asks any questions.
The word for the DW watch is "plain". I've always found it interesting that teenagers and young adults liked the look. To me it is no different from putting a plain wall clock on your wrist. And it is cheap, not worth the $270 odd price. The quartz moment inside is no different than a quartz fashion watch that costs $35. (Someone investigated,)
Because teenagers and young adults often don't have enough experience with watches and design to tell how uninspired this is. People grow out of it, but DW still sells enough before that point.
Daniel Wellington is geared towards a fashion watch. Richard Mille is a great watch, yet the premium pricetag is unjustifiable. It has become the luxury fashion watch.
@@warpnl1 It's all subjective and personal choice. I personally adore the IWC mark xi bronze case with the green dial. Many can't agree with the simplistic dial design. For me, it's perfect. I personally enjoy smaller, elegant and simplistic designs. The Mille is a great watch in its own right, yet I would never wear on on my wrist. I wouldn't. It's too bold. It does not suit my personality. I'm a simple, humble man. I enjoy simplicity, and the most challenging aspect of watchmaking, is to perfect the simplistic designs. That is more rewarding for a watchmaker, in my opinion. I am starting to build funds for Cartier Santos medium. The classic look is appealing to me. It's not tacky, as you say, unlike the Mille we both agree upon.
I live in Bulgaria - there is a chain of watch shops here called "Exess" they have home brand watches called "Rital" after the guys that own the company. I know them, they sell the exaxt same watches that Danial Wellington does. The Chinese companies have a range of watches and they will print your logo on them and engrave the back. Exess sell them for about £10 to £30
@@piccalillipit9211 That is interesting. It shows how marketing raises the value of a product. They are minimalist in design, but we know value. £10-30 is perfectly priced.
The success of Richard Mille is the marketing genuis of its founder. The problem is the dude is 71 yo. So there's that. Besides, RMs designs are not timeless which means with changing fashion these watches will become extremely unwearable, especially by the elite, whose star power RMs are riding on, and who wanna remain in 'trend', and then these models will completely tank in value. And then there's this, whichever happens first.
If people treat brilliant devices as a status symbol or anything other than loving it for what it is I do not like those people. Being genuine is a prerequisite to being a good person.
I think that’s a bit presumptuous. You can like showing off while still being genuine. I really like my watches. I really love the craftsmanship and the stories behind them. I also love it when someone says “nice watch”. Any luxury watch is a status symbol.
@M. Milo Yup. Infact, Any luxury item or service is a status symbol. Expensive car. Expensive meal at a 5 star restaurant. Expensive shoes. Expensive Education. All these things are status symbols.
@@Mmmmilo well the important qualifier is “anything other” you can do both, that’s fine, but if its ONLY a status symbol, thats where i think you are a disingenuous.
So we can justify people who are getting "homage" watches, even though there's plenty of watches you can get in the same price point and not become laughing stock whenever you show up with your rolex Oyster Perpetual powered by genuine "swiss movement" ETA NH35A
Why the f**** would you ever get a Richard Mille for multiple hundreds of thousands when you can get a Greubel Forsey and still have money left over for a Lange 1
Because people don't just buy watches for their horological value. Believe or not some people actually buy watches to show off their wealth. I can tell you right now when people see a Richard Mille they know you paid shit tons of money for it. When people see a Greubel Forever 99% of them would have no idea what it is.
Probably because the people buying them have enough money for all the watches you listed. The people buying RM’s aren’t spending their last paycheck to finally get one. They have the kind of “fuck you money” where a couple hundred grand is inconsequential to them. And to clarify, I absolutely despise the look of RM’s and would never in a million years ever buy one. But the people who _are_ buying them are just living in a completely different universe. They’re to the point where tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars starts to lose all meaning
When I owned my store in North Florida a gentleman whom I've sold many timepieces to asked me if I could replace the strap on his rm so I proceeded to contact rm for the tool to remove the screws they refused to sell me one the owner of the watch who paid nearly $200k Was quite upset as nearest ad was 300 miles away so I formed a negative opinion of the brand
Look up "We Knives". They are a high-end Chinese knife maker who used those EXACT same "star" screws on their knives for the first few years. They used to include the tool with each knife for disassembly. Enough people threw a fit and they changed to traditional torx screws. They probably still sell the tool (or you could find an old model on Ebay that includes the tool). Now you have a RM disassembly tool!
I would not take the chance of marring the heads of the screws on a $200k timepiece I've seen many ruined case back screws on countless watches that clients brought in for batteries by poor service people. Original tools are the key to quality plus rm has his screws made to his specs not a standard item not worth the risk but thanks for the advice.
@@mgrsdgfsdafsdgrsdgfsdg6980 years ago a lady brought in a Patek quartz loaded with diamonds the screw slots were unrecognizable but still removable. My concern with rm is you wouldn't want to slip up and scratch the case or mar the heads it was 18k rose and this guy was a serious collector you should have seen his wall of watch winder with no space unfilled that was back 15 years ago
The story of "Daniel Wellington" just sounds made up. Sounds more like "I need a name that sounds posh" and they went from there. DW is also the proto-MVMT (being founded first and having very similar marketing strategies), though they're slightly better made, as they farmed out the movements to Miyota. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they came out of the exact same factory in China. Not that Chinese watches are crap. I have stainless Ronda quartz movement Carnival with full tritium indices and hands that I got for $100 direct from China. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. On Richard Mille. I think I finally figured out what they're like. They're not like Aston Martin, Porsche or even Ferrari, they're like Pagani. All crazy naked machined extravagance, but definitely not for everyone's tastes.
Richard Mille are FAR more offensive than Daniel Wellington, at least as a brand and as far as most of the watches are concerned. Why? Because they are obscenely priced huge chunks of look-at-me trash. There is zero sophistication about them and they are bought by idiots devoid of taste. Find a Richard Mille and you've probably found a music producer in Holywood who is all about the projection of wealth, they've likely had enough facial surgery to look like they have left this world, or rather that they are a new species that has just arrived, complete with clothing from the nearest circus. As for Daniel Wellington, they say very little. The design is almost entirely inoffensive. The problem with them is less the design, and more the fact that they are made out of components that are cheaper than what one might get inside an inadequate Christmas cracker. For as long as the Daniel Wellington lasts on the wrist of the none watch officianado it does a job, it tells the time. The Richard Mille tells everyone so much more about you, and none of it good ;) P.S People shouldn't confuse inappropriate yet superlative over-engineered quality with sophistication. For all of the immense workmanship that goes into making a Richard Mille, it still looks like it came out of a gumball machine, and has all the profundity and class of an ultra rich 🤡. Just because one can buy a platinum diamond encrusted toilet that contains a tourbillon filled with blood coloured oil to tell the time, does not mean owning such a shitter is a good look.
Exactly my thoughts. RM's marketing is convincing shallow idiots with a lot of money to buy obnoxious, over-engineered, mediocre time pieces for exponentially more than they're worth.
DW plays a very important marketing role where the traditional brands have failed - the proof is in the numbers of people buying what is essentially an Ali-Express rebranding exercise.
How can you be so calm and moderate when you are speaking about Daniel Wellington? 😂 We hate this brand just because it's bad quality for the price and their unamazing designs where find on AliExpress! 😆
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Great video, and I really like the use of microphones as a visual effect. I do, however, wonder why you didn't pair richard mille and hublot together with mvmt and dw together as well like a double bill. Perhaps because of the different angles you two come at is the point of this series. I cannot reasonably say that the price of rm's or hublot models are worth that much, nor that rolex is even worth as much as it sells for realistically (unless you can get msrp at some future point), but it's always interesting to see different angles on attainable watches so please keep on the current trends of your reporting. I think the strength of your channel is that you can present a seiko or longines with the same gravitas and respect as a lange und soehne, great job.
The ‘my mom used to tape a bag a crisps to my wrist so I wouldn’t forget them so I know what am RM will feel like’ is probably the funniest comment I’ve heard on these podcasts.
Both brands have ridiculous pricetags but at least RM has its own research team and has also recently made its own movements. Daniel Wellington is literally 100% marketing.
It was really neat to hear you talking about the similarities between watches and cars. You should do a video going through significant cars and their matching watch. What watch would be a Ferrari 458? What would be a Ford F-150? What would be the VW Beetle of the watch world?
Ford F-150 would be a Seiko SKX, VW Beetle would be a Casio F91w, Ferrari would be a Richard Mille (im sure you could match specific model car to specific RM watches), Lamborghini would be Hublot, And Kia’s would be Daniel Wellingtons
@@ryanpeck3377 ferrari would not be Richard mille. makes a lot more sense to call it Patek. Lamborghini AP, and you could say Bugatti is lange & sohne.
RM's are creative and unique sports watches but for 600k? C'mon, that's what makes them ridiculous. The watch community knows they're grossly over priced. A 40k-100k price I could understand. They've become just a wallet statement and not a horological one. A 30k Patek Calatrava beats a 600k RM everyday of the week.
Daniel Wellington was my stepping stone in to this hobby. IMO it's a perfectly good watch as it can tell the time, however it is boring in its design, and way too expensive for what it is.
@@-_--le3zk oh but I didn’t like it. That’s why it was my gateway into this hobby. It had one redeeming character, and that was that it could tell time. Which to some might be perfectly fine, was all.
@@grounddu pretty much. Most people get into this hobby through some form of cheap-ish quartz watches. I had some citizens which are certainly better than Daniel Wellington, but the funny thing is, my introduction to the concept of a mechanical watch was a cheap-o skeleton dial Stuhrling. From there on I got very lost into the world of watches.
I just can't tell you how much I look forward to these video's. I don't always watch videos right away that I chose to ring the bell but I do these. After watching many many watch videos I am tired of the minutia of blued screws and hand rubbed edges. To comment on the watches, I will never be able to afford an RM and I would not want to buy a DW. I do love my Seiko SRPD 95.
IF I was in a financial position where I'd consider paying Richard Mille prices for a watch I'd much rather go for something significantly more traditional!
The thought of buying a Lange or F P Journe for considerably less than the retail price of an RM is beyond belief. I wish it was a choice I could ever make.
Not a RM fan...not from a technical viewpoint cos on that front they have some special stuff it's just they're just fugly as hell. For me, a watch has to be 1st and foremost a time keeping device....if its just a piece of jewelry (which I consider RM to be) then I'm just not interested.....even if I could afford one
Hey, actually I got a DW 5 years ago because they settled a pop up store next to where I work, and found the minimalistic design appealing, (without knowing I could find basically the same watch watch on Ali for 10% of the price) Then I bought my first automatic watch, from an equally overpriced unknown french brand that put some miyota in their watches, And later I got deeper into the hobby and realized that even if I "lost" about 400€ buying those craps, I learnt so much things and discovered a new world. That was worth it to me. Nowadays I don't like to wear these anymore, but I kept them both, as a reminder (and it probably wouldn't be worth a penny if I'd try to sell them lol) So in some way, thanks DW.
Daniel Wellington. Chinesium rhubarb generic watch you can buy for £6-7 FROM China and a story from any budding Indiana Jones type hero, when I first saw this kind of watch I fell in love with it then I looked Very closely at the dial and it was smudged a little then my heart sank knowing it was a cheap throw away watch after the battery had died, I couldn't see the rest of the watch lasting much longer after the battery to pricey for a watch to last a couple of years 😥 it's a shame I was born in Sheffield England, Sheffield its self means steel strength steel works knives and forks🍴 stainless steel we even made the super gun for Saddam Hussein him self 😂true ✔️🇬🇧
DW's are seriously trash, like nothing new it offers to the table and community. Heck, I'd just buy a general Casio with almost 8-10x cheaper with just losing atm and smaller diameter. RM on the other hand, especially the first 3 years in the market their watches are seriously beautiful.
I wear a Rolex "homage" watch daily and switch to a Daniel Wellington for dressier occasions, like the wedding I attended yesterday. I wear it so seldom that I discovered the battery was dead, so it didn't tell time, but even so, it is as useful as that Mille watch that you can't read the time on anyway.
Americans: about that bag of chips/crisps reference. The common size of a bag of chips in the UK is 28g, which is about 1oz. We get those here too, but usually only in multipacks (though I have started to see them sold loose more often lately). A better reference would be to balance two Oreos on your wrist. Much more practical than a bag of chips, and, at 22.6g (11.3g per Oreo) closer to the correct weight.
I was taking a sip of my beer when "backhand smash" followed by a golf ball being hit and bowling pins falling over happened. I almost had an accident all over my screen and keyboard.
I hate DW for the simple presumption that it is a company focused only on making money. No innovation, no change, riding coattails. However, you guys just helped me to acknowledge that there are people who want what DW provide. It's a slippery slope to negatively judge a successful company for supplying a demand. It's simply what successful companies do.
I dislike AP. Dislike the boutique only route, the unpleasant shopping experience (in the boutique with no watches), how the feel superior over the customers (remember it is me who has the money you want) and especially I dislike the CEO. Actually I will sell my Offshore for all these reasons as I do not want to be part of this game
The Love / Hate of brands can be a fickle thing and it's a fine line between a design being appealing or garish. Fair or not, RM tends to fall on the wrong side of the road when it comes to public opinion because of the high price point and out there designs.
The best minimalist watches are the Max Bill designed ones by Junghans. Many others have tried and failed. The DW logo is set in Times New Roman, the default of defaults. They tried to create a ligature (letter connection) and failed is my guess.
Lolz. Literally. Great point on the Junghans "Max Bill" watches. The cheapest and most authentic model can be found for $650 at discount (about $1000 list). Yes, it's been on my short list for a while, which is why I know the price. I recently bought the Longines Heritage Classic grey sector dial, and I'm thinking early to mid 20th century.
I would argue that mechanical watches in of itself is pretentious and overpriced. You can buy a cheap quartz watch for next to nothing that can tell better time. You already have a very accurate pocket watch at all times. It's called a phone. No matter if you own a Richard Mille or Omega or Seiko you are all just different shade of grey.
@@RiseUpToYourAbility I see your point but I disagree. Your basing your ideas on the notion that we're buying watches to tell time in the first place. We all are aware our phones are better timekeepers-- that goes without saying. We're buying an art piece, or a piece of jewelry FIRST, and a timekeeper second. Simply assuming we're ALL buying watches to specifically tell the time-- especially the expensive ones-- is quite literally missing the ENTIRE point about watch collecting.
@@thegirthquake8574 if we're buying an art piece, a piece of jewellery, then why hate on anything like this? art is subjective, and very personal. Do we NEED our watch to tell the time in that respect? why not just wear 'jewellery'? I get what you're saying, and I agree, but whatever floats yer boat...
DW is hated coz its overpriced when it's low quality and they just stick on their logo's onto ready made designs theres also a bit more depth than that but i cant really explain much coz i havent done further research on the other parts.
The RM watches are ridiculous trinkets for the very rich, have no need to exist and perform functions that the vast majority of people have more need or desire for... and yet the world would be a less colourful place if they didn't exist (I feel the same about... a Bugatti Veyron). The DW watches strike me as shouting, "Wear me! Go on I'll make you look cool!!" Whilst ignoring the fact they have the style of a swatch but without the affordability.
I agree with you 100%. But the Veyron, as even VW put it, was an Everest moment for cars: nobody NEEDS a 260+ mph road car, but why not see if we can engineer one? What can we do to make such an obscene goal a reality? But, alas yes. I dislike Richard Mille from an aesthetic standpoint but I can’t knock that the horological landscape is certainly more interesting for them existing.
“…..by which time the bus has gone.” Just a sneaky suspicion, but I rather doubt that someone with a Richard Mille on his wrist is going to be unduly worried about catching a bus.
Point well made re the reasons that Richard Mille is legit. Still don’t really care. I’ve never seen a DW watch. Completely indifferent. Polar opposite of my feelings for the intro music. Not sure what yacht rock with a smooth jazz feel/appeal has to do with those brands (or the sunny settings), but I will keep those 21 seconds on a constant loop for the remainder of the day.
What I can't understand is why anyone likes these brands, especially Daniel Wellington. If they can't draw aproper "D", I'm not trusting them to make my watch. LOL Please feature the Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional.
I’d like Breamont if they hadn’t made up that ridiculous backstory. Caveat: I founded an ad agency, and in 1986 I would definitely have written that copy. But by the time they celebrated the millennium 12 months early, I would absolutely have denied doing so.
Well people bashing Daniel Wellington watches, but the fact is that he made himself millionaire by smart advertising and isn't that the same story with Rolex? Smart advertising making the watch more posh than it really is and selling it to people willing to spend extra money on this watch. When I heard that some guy paid 55 000$ for that Rolex Oyster Perpetual with Tiffany dial, I literally almost fainted. But hey, if people think it's worth it, what the hell!
man i hate how you inlcude these podcasts on this channel. Don't get me wrong, they are amazing, i love all the content in them, thoughroughly! but, it's like a bait and switch when i click a video. Should be on "Watchfinder & Co. Podcasts"
The Richard Mille story about designing that watch for sports reminds me of the urban myth about NASA researching a zero-G pen for many million dollars while the Russian cosmonauts used a pencil. If I want a watch that is the pinnacle of horological development and I can take it out while working with a pneumatic jackhammer for 8 hours, followed by a brisk round of squash, I'll take.a 200 buck G-shock. If I want something less pinnacle, I'll take a 20 buck F91W. Richard Mille is a loud, gauche and stupidly complex solution to a problem that has been fixed by the Japanese since 1982. It makes me feel like saying "Get off my lawn". And you can take any old watch and play tennis in it. Longines VHP quartz? Sure. A Grand Seiko quartz? Absolutely. A lowly Swatch? Fine. The only watch of mine that ever broke while doing anything is a Speedy Reduced. Never needed a 500.000 watch to do anything, aside from that incident. Honestly, I'd rather wear a Daniel Wellington. At least they don't look stupid. And a simple quartz won't break during tennis either, however irritating their marketing might be. I'll take boring and generic over gauche and vulgar any day of the week, thank you. And yes, that's not just looking at RM, but also 90% of AP's output and certainly 99% of modern Rolex. For watch nerds to hate on brands like Daniel Wellington, quite frankly, is far more cliched than the brand itself.
The RM69 is a prop for a future Mad Max film wherein some feral post-apocalyptic child picks it up and puzzles at it while we all nod at the obvious metaphor it represents for how f**ked humanity was at the point it was made.
I held in my hands a incredibly well manufactured replica RM 027 which cost around $1,500 USD (in China), and I really almost couldn't believe my eyes when inspecting all the amazing details on that replica. It's absolutely stunning how well the Chinese have duplicated this extremely advanced and complicated movement. They made it with a genuine fully functional tourbillon (a SeaGull I guess). I swear to God, that replica was something I didn't believe existed. It's almost shameful to write this since I'm a watch guy since year 1990 and had only genuine Swiss Made my whole life
Well, I don‘t hate a DW watch or a Mille watch. I don‘t buy a DW watch, because I don‘t think it is a good investment. It isn‘t a good accessory for me. I don‘t buy a Mille watch, because I know are a lot of watches in the 4, 5 and 6 figure segment that offer better readability, a more pronounced design and a superior value for the money spent. But it is a free country. Buy what you like.
There's one RM I like and that's the RM 055 Bubba Watson. Probably the most "reserved" of the RM:s, it has a relatively stripped down movement that looks like it's almost floating inside the case. Almost kind of elegant compared to most other RM:s which have dials that look like Terminator vomit.
The question about who likes or dislikes brands like this is he complicated mess. I think of the upscale buyer who would never even buy a Seiko. People in that stratosphere can afford anything so why not buy what they consider the best. Then there's the other buyer they can afford four and $5,000 watches so everything else below that is crap. Indeed there are crappy watches out there that fall apart the moment you open the box. But there's a lot of watches that are really nice that are sub $200 sub $100 that work for years and years. Invictas are a great example I have tons of Invictus. I also have a lot of Aragon watches and other micro brands. Most of them under 200 a couple over four and many under 100. I don't see that much difference between my $500 watches in my $100 watches there's many similarities. My AliExpress watches are great I know that if I buy a $30 watch it's not going to be as nice as my $100 watches. I don't put down the brands nor the people that like them. We buy what we like and we buy what we can afford.
I dont see a difference betsean DW and MVMT. Both are trying to sell chrsp massivey produced tasyrless watches for profit using social media tactics to ipersuade customers to buy their junk. Can very wrll include Philippo Loretti. I am amazed that RM was mentioned in the same lpile as MVMT.
If I wanted a minimal watch, I would go for the Casio MQ-24. And if I wanted an awful looking skeleton watch, I'd buy a pukeworthy cheapie from AliExpress.
This is like listening to "audiophiles" discussing nebulous characteristics like "air", "sibilance", "vibrancy", and so on and so forth. Then there is the weird and wonderful garbage that has sprung up around the most ridiculous patterns of behaviour that caters to the nut cases that can "hear" the difference between hifi cables supported off the floor by wooden blocks versus cable lifters machined from pink marble. At the risk of sounding rude, which is absolutely intentional by the way, all this talk is a supertanker's load of tosh (I am being very polite just in case it isn't obvious). A Chinese knockoff does everything a Richard Mille does with equal ugliness for a handful of change. Honestly, have you seen the shop fronts of the major fashion brands lately? I have to say that, compared to the hideously injurious occular atrocities in the offerings from the likes of Gucci, Prada, and even, God forbid, Ermenegildo Zegna, the watches offered by DW are like eyedrops for someone without eyelids in a sandstorm. Don't even get me started on Tom Ford's opinions on the avec muavais goût of wearing your watch over your sleeve (who the heck cares?). Try telling that to Neil Armstrong. You did say that we can agree to disagree...
C'mon guys. I love your channel but you love everything. What's happened? Have you gotten soft with your success? At least you throw Daniel Wellington under the bus for his hideous attention grabbing oversized logo. But why stop at Daniel Wellington? Why don't you take on A. Lange & Sohne's oversized date window? Your eye locks on it and it can't go anywhere else... and don't get me started about the Semper Opera House. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Veluchi... or Venezianico... please Sirs, please please pliiiiiissss. Stop giving your "cut-the-middlemen" watch brand a mispelled italian sound alike name. Please, again, please. Deep in your hearts you know you are doing it wrong, rebranding Alibaba's watches. At least don't offend the ears of an entire Country by naming your "no-one-thought-before" creations with nonsense words. Or ask an italian guy how to write and pronounce that silly name that came up to your "enlightened" minds. Please...
RM has top tier quality and extreme creativity, but you’re still paying a fortune for the marketing but that’s with every luxury brand especially Patek & Cartier
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You totally missed the point why DW is hated. The exact same reasons MVMT is hated, applies here. Dirt cheap watches bought from Aliexpress being sold for 20-30 times the price under the pretext of some silly origin story and disrupting the industry. Nothing to do with the designs of the watches.
There are many companies which produce watches in china en masse that are unique and so have a brand identity. The design here is crucial.
They are cheap and made in china, but they are not dropshipped. Those dw’s you see on aliexpress are clones.
I made so much money selling these from aliexpress when they were hype lol
@@melody3741they aren’t clones, they are made in the same factory as the Daniel wellington ones. DW went to the manufacturer asked them what watches they made chose a design and said “stick our logo on that” and then sell them at 5000% profit.
I don't hate Daniel Wellington the product, I hate what they are trying to sell. A $200 quartz watch is not "affordable luxury" in any way.
"They get deeper into the hobby and they find ....everyone hate their watch" 🤣🤣🤣 you nailed that one.
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For my taste the problem with most RM watches is not the price, nor the complications nor ..., but the one keyfactor i for myself hold as the holy grale of watches in general, and that is the ability to read the time when i look at it.
And here, as far as I can say RM just looses my respect as a watchmaker.
I have to admit that i never ever had a RM in my hand and probably never will, but if videos of any kind are somehow close to what you see there is close to what you would see in reality you just cant read the time in a blink of an eye, and that is enough for me to not like them as a watch, maybe as a statement what someone can do mechanically in a very confined space, but not as a watch.
Yes! I know people love these crazy skeleton looking watch and it does indeed looks cool and all but pretty much impossible to tell the time with it at a glance. The old "just look at your phone" argument is seriously flawed, yes I mostly bought expensive pieces to admire the dial and build quality but I can't tell the damn time with it then it hold no value to me as a watch which defeat the purpose of wearing a watch to begin with
Nailed it Georg. These machines are amazing pieces of engineering, but as someone who is badly colour blind seeing the actual time is a real challenge. And that is the main reason for wearing a watch.
Look into the origin story of Chinese brand Reef Tiger. It makes the Daniel Wellington origins sound completely plausible by comparison
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Well, I don't think I've ever read a bs story made up before by one of the brands that simply took over a quartz crisis victims name so this is a first for me. Brands like Festina, Lanco and the like usually just dodge the matter entirely in the hopes that no one asks any questions.
The word for the DW watch is "plain". I've always found it interesting that teenagers and young adults liked the look. To me it is no different from putting a plain wall clock on your wrist. And it is cheap, not worth the $270 odd price. The quartz moment inside is no different than a quartz fashion watch that costs $35. (Someone investigated,)
Because teenagers and young adults often don't have enough experience with watches and design to tell how uninspired this is. People grow out of it, but DW still sells enough before that point.
Daniel Wellington is geared towards a fashion watch. Richard Mille is a great watch, yet the premium pricetag is unjustifiable. It has become the luxury fashion watch.
Yeah, previously the luxury fashion watch used to be Hublot…
Richard Mille watches look tacky as fuck, nothing great about it
@@warpnl1 It's all subjective and personal choice. I personally adore the IWC mark xi bronze case with the green dial. Many can't agree with the simplistic dial design. For me, it's perfect.
I personally enjoy smaller, elegant and simplistic designs. The Mille is a great watch in its own right, yet I would never wear on on my wrist. I wouldn't. It's too bold. It does not suit my personality. I'm a simple, humble man. I enjoy simplicity, and the most challenging aspect of watchmaking, is to perfect the simplistic designs. That is more rewarding for a watchmaker, in my opinion.
I am starting to build funds for Cartier Santos medium. The classic look is appealing to me. It's not tacky, as you say, unlike the Mille we both agree upon.
I live in Bulgaria - there is a chain of watch shops here called "Exess" they have home brand watches called "Rital" after the guys that own the company. I know them, they sell the exaxt same watches that Danial Wellington does. The Chinese companies have a range of watches and they will print your logo on them and engrave the back.
Exess sell them for about £10 to £30
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That is interesting. It shows how marketing raises the value of a product. They are minimalist in design, but we know value. £10-30 is perfectly priced.
The success of Richard Mille is the marketing genuis of its founder. The problem is the dude is 71 yo. So there's that. Besides, RMs designs are not timeless which means with changing fashion these watches will become extremely unwearable, especially by the elite, whose star power RMs are riding on, and who wanna remain in 'trend', and then these models will completely tank in value. And then there's this, whichever happens first.
If people treat brilliant devices as a status symbol or anything other than loving it for what it is I do not like those people. Being genuine is a prerequisite to being a good person.
I think that’s a bit presumptuous. You can like showing off while still being genuine. I really like my watches. I really love the craftsmanship and the stories behind them. I also love it when someone says “nice watch”. Any luxury watch is a status symbol.
@M. Milo Yup. Infact, Any luxury item or service is a status symbol. Expensive car. Expensive meal at a 5 star restaurant. Expensive shoes. Expensive Education. All these things are status symbols.
@@Mmmmilo well the important qualifier is “anything other” you can do both, that’s fine, but if its ONLY a status symbol, thats where i think you are a disingenuous.
@@kamu747 But it should be more than that to you if you buy it. If you buy it ONLY to show off then you’re shallow and vain.
So we can justify people who are getting "homage" watches, even though there's plenty of watches you can get in the same price point and not become laughing stock whenever you show up with your rolex Oyster Perpetual powered by genuine "swiss movement" ETA NH35A
Why the f**** would you ever get a Richard Mille for multiple hundreds of thousands when you can get a Greubel Forsey and still have money left over for a Lange 1
I concur. I'm not against lavishly expensive watches bought "just becasue", but for me personally I would spend my horological doubloons elsewhere.
Because people don't just buy watches for their horological value. Believe or not some people actually buy watches to show off their wealth. I can tell you right now when people see a Richard Mille they know you paid shit tons of money for it. When people see a Greubel Forever 99% of them would have no idea what it is.
I hate the fact you spelled fuck with 3 letters.
Probably because the people buying them have enough money for all the watches you listed. The people buying RM’s aren’t spending their last paycheck to finally get one. They have the kind of “fuck you money” where a couple hundred grand is inconsequential to them. And to clarify, I absolutely despise the look of RM’s and would never in a million years ever buy one. But the people who _are_ buying them are just living in a completely different universe. They’re to the point where tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars starts to lose all meaning
Because I suspect that your hip-hop celebrity friends wouldn't be able to recognize a Greubel Forsey, let alone be able to pronounce it.
When I owned my store in North Florida a gentleman whom I've sold many timepieces to asked me if I could replace the strap on his rm so I proceeded to contact rm for the tool to remove the screws they refused to sell me one the owner of the watch who paid nearly $200k
Was quite upset as nearest ad was 300 miles away so I formed a negative opinion of the brand
Look up "We Knives". They are a high-end Chinese knife maker who used those EXACT same "star" screws on their knives for the first few years. They used to include the tool with each knife for disassembly. Enough people threw a fit and they changed to traditional torx screws. They probably still sell the tool (or you could find an old model on Ebay that includes the tool). Now you have a RM disassembly tool!
I would not take the chance of marring the heads of the screws on a $200k timepiece I've seen many ruined case back screws on countless watches that clients brought in for batteries by poor service people. Original tools are the key to quality plus rm has his screws made to his specs not a standard item not worth the risk but thanks for the advice.
@@timhenry326 Makes sense.
@@mgrsdgfsdafsdgrsdgfsdg6980 years ago a lady brought in a Patek quartz loaded with diamonds the screw slots were unrecognizable but still removable. My concern with rm is you wouldn't want to slip up and scratch the case or mar the heads it was 18k rose and this guy was a serious collector you should have seen his wall of watch winder with no space unfilled that was back 15 years ago
@@mgrsdgfsdafsdgrsdgfsdg6980 I love seeing knife people on watch videos, as a knife enthusiast and a watch enthusiast is just makes me smile.
The story of "Daniel Wellington" just sounds made up. Sounds more like "I need a name that sounds posh" and they went from there. DW is also the proto-MVMT (being founded first and having very similar marketing strategies), though they're slightly better made, as they farmed out the movements to Miyota. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they came out of the exact same factory in China.
Not that Chinese watches are crap. I have stainless Ronda quartz movement Carnival with full tritium indices and hands that I got for $100 direct from China. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
On Richard Mille. I think I finally figured out what they're like. They're not like Aston Martin, Porsche or even Ferrari, they're like Pagani. All crazy naked machined extravagance, but definitely not for everyone's tastes.
What an intro, seriously guys please keep this up I am loving every release in this format.
Richard Mille are FAR more offensive than Daniel Wellington, at least as a brand and as far as most of the watches are concerned. Why? Because they are obscenely priced huge chunks of look-at-me trash. There is zero sophistication about them and they are bought by idiots devoid of taste. Find a Richard Mille and you've probably found a music producer in Holywood who is all about the projection of wealth, they've likely had enough facial surgery to look like they have left this world, or rather that they are a new species that has just arrived, complete with clothing from the nearest circus. As for Daniel Wellington, they say very little. The design is almost entirely inoffensive. The problem with them is less the design, and more the fact that they are made out of components that are cheaper than what one might get inside an inadequate Christmas cracker. For as long as the Daniel Wellington lasts on the wrist of the none watch officianado it does a job, it tells the time. The Richard Mille tells everyone so much more about you, and none of it good ;)
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People shouldn't confuse inappropriate yet superlative over-engineered quality with sophistication. For all of the immense workmanship that goes into making a Richard Mille, it still looks like it came out of a gumball machine, and has all the profundity and class of an ultra rich 🤡. Just because one can buy a platinum diamond encrusted toilet that contains a tourbillon filled with blood coloured oil to tell the time, does not mean owning such a shitter is a good look.
Exactly my thoughts. RM's marketing is convincing shallow idiots with a lot of money to buy obnoxious, over-engineered, mediocre time pieces for exponentially more than they're worth.
@@steelhead750 - very much so.
Agreed. RM pieces might be technically interesting, but I wouldn’t ever be caught wearing one even if I was given it for free. Utterly tasteless.
Upvoted because I laughed.
@@skzion2 I'll take that lol :)
DW plays a very important marketing role where the traditional brands have failed - the proof is in the numbers of people buying what is essentially an Ali-Express rebranding exercise.
An important Proof that the majority of people are insanely stupid when it comes to their buying decisions.
@@brunoschoelkopf9174 wow! What a novel take - I never heard that version before.
@@shawnz241 ok
DW buyers are a marketing persons wet dream and their back story is so laughingly absurd.
@@shawnz241 Funny, those are EXACTLY my thoughts when I see a DW watch.
Every time someone mentions Daniel Wellington, all I can of is Beef Wellington 😅
How can you be so calm and moderate when you are speaking about Daniel Wellington? 😂
We hate this brand just because it's bad quality for the price and their unamazing designs where find on AliExpress! 😆
I love these podcast-style videos you have been doing - smart, funny, and so British. More, please!
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They're good, it reminds me a little of Internet Historian
Tissot got some history. But it got flushed away its older than rolex
Great video, and I really like the use of microphones as a visual effect. I do, however, wonder why you didn't pair richard mille and hublot together with mvmt and dw together as well like a double bill. Perhaps because of the different angles you two come at is the point of this series. I cannot reasonably say that the price of rm's or hublot models are worth that much, nor that rolex is even worth as much as it sells for realistically (unless you can get msrp at some future point), but it's always interesting to see different angles on attainable watches so please keep on the current trends of your reporting. I think the strength of your channel is that you can present a seiko or longines with the same gravitas and respect as a lange und soehne, great job.
The ‘my mom used to tape a bag a crisps to my wrist so I wouldn’t forget them so I know what am RM will feel like’ is probably the funniest comment I’ve heard on these podcasts.
Both brands have ridiculous pricetags but at least RM has its own research team and has also recently made its own movements. Daniel Wellington is literally 100% marketing.
Absolutely loved the 80s archie luxery intro
It was really neat to hear you talking about the similarities between watches and cars. You should do a video going through significant cars and their matching watch. What watch would be a Ferrari 458? What would be a Ford F-150? What would be the VW Beetle of the watch world?
Ford F-150 would be a Seiko SKX, VW Beetle would be a Casio F91w, Ferrari would be a Richard Mille (im sure you could match specific model car to specific RM watches), Lamborghini would be Hublot, And Kia’s would be Daniel Wellingtons
@@ryanpeck3377 ferrari would not be Richard mille. makes a lot more sense to call it Patek. Lamborghini AP, and you could say Bugatti is lange & sohne.
@@qwertpoiuy430 I'd say Rolex is Ferrari...Vacheron Constantine is Rolls Royce. Seiko is Honda and Grand Seiko is Acura.
@@ryanpeck3377 Kias are absolutely not DWs unless you still live in 2004. Hyundai-Kia-Genesis are moreso like Orient's these days.
@@SiamHossain7 nahhhh, kia/Hyundai still have massive quality control issues and under-performing vehicles for their classes. Even in 2023.
RM's are creative and unique sports watches but for 600k? C'mon, that's what makes them ridiculous. The watch community knows they're grossly over priced. A 40k-100k price I could understand. They've become just a wallet statement and not a horological one. A 30k Patek Calatrava beats a 600k RM everyday of the week.
Only thing about DW that makes me happy is that their year to year revenue is sinking faster than a stone.
Really? But what is taking their place?
Living the Rafael Nadal dream but accompanied by hearing a golf ball being driven down a range and not a tennis balls across a court !
Daniel Wellington was my stepping stone in to this hobby. IMO it's a perfectly good watch as it can tell the time, however it is boring in its design, and way too expensive for what it is.
Dude ANY watch can tell time,your phone can also tell time,so that is not a valid point,but if you like your watch,then that is good for you
@@-_--le3zk oh but I didn’t like it. That’s why it was my gateway into this hobby. It had one redeeming character, and that was that it could tell time. Which to some might be perfectly fine, was all.
@@grounddu pretty much. Most people get into this hobby through some form of cheap-ish quartz watches. I had some citizens which are certainly better than Daniel Wellington, but the funny thing is, my introduction to the concept of a mechanical watch was a cheap-o skeleton dial Stuhrling. From there on I got very lost into the world of watches.
I just can't tell you how much I look forward to these video's. I don't always watch videos right away that I chose to ring the bell but I do these.
After watching many many watch videos I am tired of the minutia of blued screws and hand rubbed edges.
To comment on the watches, I will never be able to afford an RM and I would not want to buy a DW. I do love my Seiko SRPD 95.
IF I was in a financial position where I'd consider paying Richard Mille prices for a watch I'd much rather go for something significantly more traditional!
The thought of buying a Lange or F P Journe for considerably less than the retail price of an RM is beyond belief.
I wish it was a choice I could ever make.
I think that when we have to find "excuses" to find favourable things about these brands means that they're equally bad.
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Not a RM fan...not from a technical viewpoint cos on that front they have some special stuff it's just they're just fugly as hell.
For me, a watch has to be 1st and foremost a time keeping device....if its just a piece of jewelry (which I consider RM to be) then I'm just not interested.....even if I could afford one
Hey, actually I got a DW 5 years ago because they settled a pop up store next to where I work, and found the minimalistic design appealing, (without knowing I could find basically the same watch watch on Ali for 10% of the price)
Then I bought my first automatic watch, from an equally overpriced unknown french brand that put some miyota in their watches,
And later I got deeper into the hobby and realized that even if I "lost" about 400€ buying those craps, I learnt so much things and discovered a new world. That was worth it to me.
Nowadays I don't like to wear these anymore, but I kept them both, as a reminder (and it probably wouldn't be worth a penny if I'd try to sell them lol)
So in some way, thanks DW.
Daniel Wellington.
Chinesium rhubarb generic watch you can buy for £6-7 FROM China and a story from any budding Indiana Jones type hero, when I first saw this kind of watch I fell in love with it then I looked Very closely at the dial and it was smudged a little then my heart sank knowing it was a cheap throw away watch after the battery had died, I couldn't see the rest of the watch lasting much longer after the battery to pricey for a watch to last a couple of years 😥 it's a shame I was born in Sheffield England, Sheffield its self means steel strength steel works knives and forks🍴 stainless steel we even made the super gun for Saddam Hussein him self 😂true ✔️🇬🇧
DW's are seriously trash, like nothing new it offers to the table and community. Heck, I'd just buy a general Casio with almost 8-10x cheaper with just losing atm and smaller diameter. RM on the other hand, especially the first 3 years in the market their watches are seriously beautiful.
I wear a Rolex "homage" watch daily and switch to a Daniel Wellington for dressier occasions, like the wedding I attended yesterday. I wear it so seldom that I discovered the battery was dead, so it didn't tell time, but even so, it is as useful as that Mille watch that you can't read the time on anyway.
I hope no one at a wedding asks you the time.
RM is just like Rolex - overpriced garbage, they are all just marketing. A complete waste of time and money.
Americans: about that bag of chips/crisps reference. The common size of a bag of chips in the UK is 28g, which is about 1oz.
We get those here too, but usually only in multipacks (though I have started to see them sold loose more often lately).
A better reference would be to balance two Oreos on your wrist. Much more practical than a bag of chips, and, at 22.6g (11.3g per Oreo) closer to the correct weight.
Thank you for that advice.
Loving the series intro
Nothing says “please guillotine me first when the revolution comes” quite like wearing a Richard Mille monstrosity.
But it’s anti-establishment! Somehow…
Guys,please make a video,where we can watch your faces,not only voices.
I was taking a sip of my beer when "backhand smash" followed by a golf ball being hit and bowling pins falling over happened. I almost had an accident all over my screen and keyboard.
I don't like the Richard Mille one because I can't read the time for the sake of it being complicated, it's incredibly stupid.
I hate DW for the simple presumption that it is a company focused only on making money. No innovation, no change, riding coattails.
However, you guys just helped me to acknowledge that there are people who want what DW provide.
It's a slippery slope to negatively judge a successful company for supplying a demand. It's simply what successful companies do.
When man uses logic over emotion. 👏🏾
I dislike AP. Dislike the boutique only route, the unpleasant shopping experience (in the boutique with no watches), how the feel superior over the customers (remember it is me who has the money you want) and especially I dislike the CEO.
Actually I will sell my Offshore for all these reasons as I do not want to be part of this game
I’m going to sell my ten!
As someone who likes simple watches I can't think of anything good I can say about RM
The Love / Hate of brands can be a fickle thing and it's a fine line between a design being appealing or garish. Fair or not, RM tends to fall on the wrong side of the road when it comes to public opinion because of the high price point and out there designs.
The best minimalist watches are the Max Bill designed ones by Junghans. Many others have tried and failed. The DW logo is set in Times New Roman, the default of defaults. They tried to create a ligature (letter connection) and failed is my guess.
Lolz. Literally. Great point on the Junghans "Max Bill" watches. The cheapest and most authentic model can be found for $650 at discount (about $1000 list).
Yes, it's been on my short list for a while, which is why I know the price. I recently bought the Longines Heritage Classic grey sector dial, and I'm thinking early to mid 20th century.
I love these takedowns of pretentious overpriced brands!
I completely agree. Daniel Wellington has been doing this for way too long
I would argue that mechanical watches in of itself is pretentious and overpriced. You can buy a cheap quartz watch for next to nothing that can tell better time. You already have a very accurate pocket watch at all times. It's called a phone. No matter if you own a Richard Mille or Omega or Seiko you are all just different shade of grey.
@@RiseUpToYourAbility I see your point but I disagree. Your basing your ideas on the notion that we're buying watches to tell time in the first place. We all are aware our phones are better timekeepers-- that goes without saying. We're buying an art piece, or a piece of jewelry FIRST, and a timekeeper second. Simply assuming we're ALL buying watches to specifically tell the time-- especially the expensive ones-- is quite literally missing the ENTIRE point about watch collecting.
@@thegirthquake8574 if we're buying an art piece, a piece of jewellery, then why hate on anything like this? art is subjective, and very personal. Do we NEED our watch to tell the time in that respect? why not just wear 'jewellery'? I get what you're saying, and I agree, but whatever floats yer boat...
How much does it really cost to make a real RM !, and much does it cost to make a replication of one !?.
I’m trying to get my jeweler to put a Daniel Wellington Dial on my Hublot, I just love it so much 😀
I am glad that I was not drinking anything when I read this.
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These two brands make an Apple Watch look like it deserves a Nobel Prize in Watchmaking. And I despise Apple watches
Please go back to the single-narrator style. It’s SO MUCH better.
the opposite of love is not hate ... it's indifference ... hello from cape town
What music started this program? Loved it!
DW is hated coz its overpriced when it's low quality and they just stick on their logo's onto ready made designs theres also a bit more depth than that but i cant really explain much coz i havent done further research on the other parts.
that second watch is probably the worlds most expensive shitpost
hate DW so much that I don't even want to watch a video discussing why people hate it.
Simplicity is complexity resolved ✔️
The RM watches are ridiculous trinkets for the very rich, have no need to exist and perform functions that the vast majority of people have more need or desire for... and yet the world would be a less colourful place if they didn't exist (I feel the same about... a Bugatti Veyron).
The DW watches strike me as shouting, "Wear me! Go on I'll make you look cool!!" Whilst ignoring the fact they have the style of a swatch but without the affordability.
I agree with you 100%. But the Veyron, as even VW put it, was an Everest moment for cars: nobody NEEDS a 260+ mph road car, but why not see if we can engineer one? What can we do to make such an obscene goal a reality?
But, alas yes. I dislike Richard Mille from an aesthetic standpoint but I can’t knock that the horological landscape is certainly more interesting for them existing.
Love the Hunter S. Thompson quote at 7:35
“…..by which time the bus has gone.”
Just a sneaky suspicion, but I rather doubt that someone with a Richard Mille on his wrist is going to be unduly worried about catching a bus.
Point well made re the reasons that Richard Mille is legit. Still don’t really care. I’ve never seen a DW watch. Completely indifferent. Polar opposite of my feelings for the intro music. Not sure what yacht rock with a smooth jazz feel/appeal has to do with those brands (or the sunny settings), but I will keep those 21 seconds on a constant loop for the remainder of the day.
What I can't understand is why anyone likes these brands, especially Daniel Wellington. If they can't draw aproper "D", I'm not trusting them to make my watch. LOL
Please feature the Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional.
I don't know about the watches, but I get those oven ads as well. Blech.
I’d like Breamont if they hadn’t made up that ridiculous backstory. Caveat: I founded an ad agency, and in 1986 I would definitely have written that copy. But by the time they celebrated the millennium 12 months early, I would absolutely have denied doing so.
🤣🤣 love these videos/podcasts. Wish there were more a week! 🤞
Well people bashing Daniel Wellington watches, but the fact is that he made himself millionaire by smart advertising and isn't that the same story with Rolex? Smart advertising making the watch more posh than it really is and selling it to people willing to spend extra money on this watch. When I heard that some guy paid 55 000$ for that Rolex Oyster Perpetual with Tiffany dial, I literally almost fainted. But hey, if people think it's worth it, what the hell!
69 dude.
Oh my goodness...that intro!:-D
man i hate how you inlcude these podcasts on this channel. Don't get me wrong, they are amazing, i love all the content in them, thoughroughly! but, it's like a bait and switch when i click a video. Should be on "Watchfinder & Co. Podcasts"
0:13 👌😗 That instrumental tho
I hate Daniel Wellington because they sell a $10 watch for $300+
The Richard Mille story about designing that watch for sports reminds me of the urban myth about NASA researching a zero-G pen for many million dollars while the Russian cosmonauts used a pencil.
If I want a watch that is the pinnacle of horological development and I can take it out while working with a pneumatic jackhammer for 8 hours, followed by a brisk round of squash, I'll take.a 200 buck G-shock. If I want something less pinnacle, I'll take a 20 buck F91W.
Richard Mille is a loud, gauche and stupidly complex solution to a problem that has been fixed by the Japanese since 1982. It makes me feel like saying "Get off my lawn". And you can take any old watch and play tennis in it. Longines VHP quartz? Sure. A Grand Seiko quartz? Absolutely. A lowly Swatch? Fine. The only watch of mine that ever broke while doing anything is a Speedy Reduced. Never needed a 500.000 watch to do anything, aside from that incident.
Honestly, I'd rather wear a Daniel Wellington. At least they don't look stupid. And a simple quartz won't break during tennis either, however irritating their marketing might be. I'll take boring and generic over gauche and vulgar any day of the week, thank you. And yes, that's not just looking at RM, but also 90% of AP's output and certainly 99% of modern Rolex.
For watch nerds to hate on brands like Daniel Wellington, quite frankly, is far more cliched than the brand itself.
well nasa had to because pencils are dangerous in space, because they are made of graphite
tissot is better than DW
Because rappers
Made m popular 😂
That was fun!
Whose missing a bus wearing a RM? 🤣
The RM69 is a prop for a future Mad Max film wherein some feral post-apocalyptic child picks it up and puzzles at it while we all nod at the obvious metaphor it represents for how f**ked humanity was at the point it was made.
Hahaha I totally lost it when he says “Denial Wellington” 😂
This is the digital foundry of watches.
RM is in the same category as Jacob & Co
Please! Please do Bremont. 🤞🏾
Wouldnt sports people be more interested in Smart watches that actually track their performance?
Sport people are interested in watches whose makers pay tons of money if they wear them
That was a great intro guys 👌🏼. Jeezus I'd fall asleep just reading the time on those DW's.
I held in my hands a incredibly well manufactured replica RM 027 which cost around $1,500 USD (in China), and I really almost couldn't believe my eyes when inspecting all the amazing details on that replica. It's absolutely stunning how well the Chinese have duplicated this extremely advanced and complicated movement. They made it with a genuine fully functional tourbillon (a SeaGull I guess). I swear to God, that replica was something I didn't believe existed. It's almost shameful to write this since I'm a watch guy since year 1990 and had only genuine Swiss Made my whole life
You should add Hublot to this list of hated watch makers
0:21 ...just in case you were listening but not watching.
I'm the kind of guy who if he could afford a Richard Mille, I would wear a Daniel Wellington, so I could flex myself as fake-humble
... or as tasteless-humble. You make an interesting point though.
I love these chats guys!
Well, I don‘t hate a DW watch or a Mille watch.
I don‘t buy a DW watch, because I don‘t think it is a good investment. It isn‘t a good accessory for me.
I don‘t buy a Mille watch, because I know are a lot of watches in the 4, 5 and 6 figure segment that offer better readability, a more pronounced design and a superior value for the money spent. But it is a free country. Buy what you like.
There's one RM I like and that's the RM 055 Bubba Watson. Probably the most "reserved" of the RM:s, it has a relatively stripped down movement that looks like it's almost floating inside the case. Almost kind of elegant compared to most other RM:s which have dials that look like Terminator vomit.
The question about who likes or dislikes brands like this is he complicated mess. I think of the upscale buyer who would never even buy a Seiko. People in that stratosphere can afford anything so why not buy what they consider the best.
Then there's the other buyer they can afford four and $5,000 watches so everything else below that is crap. Indeed there are crappy watches out there that fall apart the moment you open the box. But there's a lot of watches that are really nice that are sub $200 sub $100 that work for years and years. Invictas are a great example I have tons of Invictus. I also have a lot of Aragon watches and other micro brands. Most of them under 200 a couple over four and many under 100. I don't see that much difference between my $500 watches in my $100 watches there's many similarities. My AliExpress watches are great I know that if I buy a $30 watch it's not going to be as nice as my $100 watches. I don't put down the brands nor the people that like them. We buy what we like and we buy what we can afford.
I dont see a difference betsean DW and MVMT. Both are trying to sell chrsp massivey produced tasyrless watches for profit using social media tactics to ipersuade customers to buy their junk. Can very wrll include Philippo Loretti. I am amazed that RM was mentioned in the same lpile as MVMT.
If I wanted a minimal watch, I would go for the Casio MQ-24.
And if I wanted an awful looking skeleton watch, I'd buy a pukeworthy cheapie from AliExpress.
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This is like listening to "audiophiles" discussing nebulous characteristics like "air", "sibilance", "vibrancy", and so on and so forth. Then there is the weird and wonderful garbage that has sprung up around the most ridiculous patterns of behaviour that caters to the nut cases that can "hear" the difference between hifi cables supported off the floor by wooden blocks versus cable lifters machined from pink marble. At the risk of sounding rude, which is absolutely intentional by the way, all this talk is a supertanker's load of tosh (I am being very polite just in case it isn't obvious). A Chinese knockoff does everything a Richard Mille does with equal ugliness for a handful of change. Honestly, have you seen the shop fronts of the major fashion brands lately? I have to say that, compared to the hideously injurious occular atrocities in the offerings from the likes of Gucci, Prada, and even, God forbid, Ermenegildo Zegna, the watches offered by DW are like eyedrops for someone without eyelids in a sandstorm. Don't even get me started on Tom Ford's opinions on the avec muavais goût of wearing your watch over your sleeve (who the heck cares?). Try telling that to Neil Armstrong. You did say that we can agree to disagree...
C'mon guys. I love your channel but you love everything. What's happened? Have you gotten soft with your success? At least you throw Daniel Wellington under the bus for his hideous attention grabbing oversized logo. But why stop at Daniel Wellington? Why don't you take on A. Lange & Sohne's oversized date window? Your eye locks on it and it can't go anywhere else... and don't get me started about the Semper Opera House. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Veluchi... or Venezianico... please Sirs, please please pliiiiiissss. Stop giving your "cut-the-middlemen" watch brand a mispelled italian sound alike name. Please, again, please. Deep in your hearts you know you are doing it wrong, rebranding Alibaba's watches. At least don't offend the ears of an entire Country by naming your "no-one-thought-before" creations with nonsense words. Or ask an italian guy how to write and pronounce that silly name that came up to your "enlightened" minds. Please...
This was the funniest episode I've seen from you guys, some great lines in there!
RM has top tier quality and extreme creativity, but you’re still paying a fortune for the marketing but that’s with every luxury brand especially Patek & Cartier
There are very reasonably priced Cartiers.