Not really in prison it marks multiple things like it can be used to show how long you have served with a teardrop equal to a year or it can show murder victims or a hollow teardrop can mean attempted murder or it can mean how many people you have lost and some prisoners will mark someone with it to let others know this person is something vile like a PDF file it just depends on the prison the location of the tattoo it's size etc. Usually it just shows that you are serving a long sentence
Listening to this video and all of the facts blows my mind, the fact that we didn’t get half of the things shown in the Master Works in the final game is insane. The fact that the Imprisoning Chamber is actually the Temple of Light and it was all a very strategic battle is amazing, but upsetting that it didn’t make the final game. 🤯
It's also infuriating, because that's exactly the kind of stuff the ancient sages could have told us, instead of 4 identical repeats of the same bloody story.
Seriously it's so annoying. This is a step above From Soft hiding lore in weapon descriptions. They flat out don't tell us all the lore in the game itself lol
@@Mirage475 There's nothing wrong with "hiding" lore by making the player seek it out. In fact, it makes learning about the lore more rewarding because it's not just handed to you. I won't deny that it can be taken too far sometimes though.
Just listening this makes me wish TOTK would get some DLC, we need to know more about this Era, The Sacred Trees (possibly connected to the Deku Tree?) and Ganondorf.
Hearing more about the Imprisoning War (or ‘Sealing War’ in Japanese) from the Master Wars… makes me wished the Zelda team and Nintendo would make a Torna-esque TOTK side story where players get see more of Zelda’s journey in the distant past. Hopefully they would consider it after the release of the Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom (very excited for this 2D Zelda game). I wondered if Ganondorf intend to use the Chamber of Six Sages (or the pillars from the Temple of Light) to fulfill his goals as you mentioned in his motivations video before being sealed by King Rauru himself.
I can see why they didn't given the fact that the actual Chamber of Sages from Ocarina of Time is outright stated to exist inside the _Sacred Realm,_ which is a different plane of reality to Hyrule. It wouldn't have made sense for a location called "Chamber of Sages" to exist within Hyrule itself without contradicting the established lore.
@@masterpig9485 Still, the Sacred Realm is not located in Hyrule, hence why Aonuma and co. didn't take the decision of conflating the lore surrounding the Ancient Sages from Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past with that of the Sages from Rauru's Hyrule.
@@javiervasquez625 They soft rebooted the franchise, i dont think that matters no more, botw/totk and all games from here on out are not connected to the previous ones almost at all.
@@EberTLOZ "Soft" reboot isn't the same as a _hard_ reboot, in case you haven't noticed. The lore established in previous titles isn't magically getting erased just because Nintendo is resetting the timeline with a brand new kingdom thousands of years after the established three timelines vanished from recorded history. It's why we still got a Master Sword, Fi still living inside of it, the Triforce still been around (inside Zelda), Ganondorf still reincarnating as he's been doing since Four Swords Adventures and many callbacks, continuity nods and references to all the previous games in the timeline prior to Breath of the Wild. I repeat: it's a *soft* reboot, not a hard reboot. The old lore is still connected to the Wild duology (as proven by Echoes of Wisdom).
Tinfoil hat theory time: if Rauru's founding was really a refounding, then maybe the Temple of Light location was where the ancient Hyrule Castle was built. From there, a new castle may have been built elsewhere sometime before the old kingdom collapsed altogether, with the old site being retained as the entrance to the Temple of Light. The surface portion may have fallen into ruin over the ages, before being rebuilt as a new castle on the same site. I mean, it's not like we see a dessicated corpse in the Temple of Light any other time we see it.
The sealing power makes a lot of sense as a combination of light and time. The power comes off as light, with the appearance of the Tri force, but it also reseals Calamity Ganon for another 10,000, like if its resetting the Malice and Gloom cycle back to its starting state, until it needs to be reset in another 10,000 years.
I think that the sealing power being a combination of light and time power is a very interesting point. I have a video that I've been wanting to get out that talks about the power of light (good) in the Zelda series but it's been one thing after another with Master Works and now Echoes of Wisdom around the corner. I'll get it to you eventually!
great video and narration man! the rest of the comments are kind of upset but I for one think you did great by bringing to light these details most of us wouldn't have known, and from the rawest source possible too :) so thank you!
You are quickly becoming one of my most favorite channels! I love this dive into the Japanese lore behind the Zelda franchise. I always thought there was so much more folklore weaved into their games, recognizing some of them with my very limited knowledge of Japanese culture. Great video!
Does Master Works say anything about the cycle of Gerudo males being born every hundred years? Creating a Champion states that Gerudo records show no males being born since Ganondorf became the Calamity, implying that there can only ever be one male Gerudo at a time. Is something like that present in this book?
If they still went this route, I would still HATE TotK as a final product. This is just a rehash of BotW with a new reality and bull origin story. It’s the same as Mario Galaxy 2 reusing the same exact premise. Nintendo can’t be original with ANYTHING in terms of plots. The only exceptions are the Splatoon franchise and Pokémon Ultra Sun/Moon.
So if Sonia was to be the ancestor of all Zeldas, what does that make her relation to the Zelda of Skyward Sword, the first Zelda, the mortal reincarnation of Goddess Hylia, and who was believed to be the progenitor of the bloodline of the Goddess?
@@gammaraysummerhead That’s not the case; they are stated to be so far into the future that all previous Zelda games have faded into myths and legends, not a separate rebooted universe.
thats just how they designed her doest mean she is the ancestor to ALL zeldas, yall reading too much into something that is just meant to convey a feel rather than be an actual truth
@@chrispork1443 Exactly what dreamer said, there's no way Sonia predates all the Zeldas without confirming Aonuma and the Zelda team have to every brain cell they had left in their attempt to "reinvent" Zelda with the Wild games.
Fantastic as always! Thank you for posting this! If you’ll permit me, I’d like to copy over a point I tried to make elsewhere-Sonia being the “ancestor” of Zelda may not be as canon-breaking as we might think at first glance. _Zelda II_ has a “First of all Zeldas” in its backstory, and that got retconned eventually into a “First of all Zeldas within this kingdom/timeline/etc.” Sonia is probably just the first royal Hylian after the refounding.
Or.... Maybe not... Like for real, before the book i was 50/50 on trueFounding/Refounding, but the whole book seems more inclined towards True Founding or Alt. Timeline. Like there's not much in the book to support Refounding. And I'm not being bias, I truly was looking for concrete evidence for the Refounding theory in the book, some fan theories were convincing and even reasonable.
@@AarturoSc Yeah, because you say so, right? Not the developers who've released explicit statements and published official supplementary sources which corroborate one another as to the Wild duology's placement within the _same_ timeline where the entire series takes place in. Also, funny how you blatantly shove aside the release of Echoes of Wisdom which is very much trying to tie the Wild games to the Downfall Timeline with its mirror ressemblance to the Triforce of the Gods duology... lol.
Thank you! There's loads more I want to talk about! With Echoes of Wisdom on the horizon, I imagine i'll be making some content about that game for a bit before returning to Master Works and TotK
The Sonia thing can still be interpreted as the ascentor of all the Zelda in this specific royal blood line and she has elements of the Zelda’s that came before her.
The only thing that connects her with other Zeldas is unfortunally just her biological race and her look. The one thing she doesnt have is the Power of Holy Light that was within the Goddess Hylia, That's a Power that almost every other Zelda is connected to, Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks, Twilight Princess, Four Swords Adventures, Minish Cap, Skyward Sword, maybe A Link to the Past as well... They all have connections to the holy Power of evil repelling light. This is the one Power that Sonia did not have but this was definitely something Rauru was capable of
@@Chris-gx1ei And why? Lol He's a goat. Why would he have the power of The Goddess? Skyward made it clear that ZELDA and her reincarnations have that power solely because she's the reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia. Why would some random goat guy have it?
@@hanburgundy4317 I am pretty sure the Zonai are a Race of "Kami" in Japanese, Kami means anything from Spirits to Gods/Deities, the Great Deku Tree can be seem as a Kami, the Great Fairies, which can be seen as "Small Gods" in the Western Interpretation, can also be classified as Kami, even Hylia herself is a Kami -, basically anything powerful and Supernatural creature og Light can be seen as a Kami by that definition, ans this makes the Zonai a minor Race of Gods, I'm even sure they are depicted as their Descendants Eventually ingame - which wouldnt be something new that higher deities give birth to another type of deities, the Titan Cronos in Greek Mythology gave birth to most of the Gods like the Three "main ones" Zeus, Hades and Poseidon who rule over olympus, the underworld and the ocean. I don't know with who the Gods could have made Children with to cause the Zonai to develope, though we have to consider not all Hyrulian Gods are Humanoid, Wind Waker Features two Wind Gods that are Frogs, even the three Dragons in Skyward Sword are Worshipped as Gods thatbare guarding their region. And the Holy Power is not neccesarily bound to Hylia's *soul*, Zelda's mom also had these powers because she comes from the same Lineage that started with Skyward Sword Zelda. Not to forget that Hylia's Soul is not entirely bound to Demise's curse at all. It said "Those who share the blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero", as long as Zelda's Bloodline stands and as long as the Hero gets reborn, evil will haunt these two and bring especially these two misery. Everytime Link gets reborn doesnt have to be Hylia Reborn, technically there does not need to be a Zelda at all as long as the Bloodline stands.
@@hanburgundy4317 (it might be that my Comments get deleted by RUclips for unknown reason, I wrote a long text trying to explain this, but it got removed, So pardon me if my explaination is vague, I just am Impatient with the crap RUclips does by deleting long texts)
Tears of the kingdom should’ve been delayed and worked on for the next console… it would’ve been more fleshed out and developed while being a poetic end for the switch era.
I know what you mean. I remember thinking a few years ago that TotK might end up receiving a similar treatment to BotW and release on two consoles simultaneously: the switch and the switch's successor. I am very excited to see what the next Zelda game will be like on the new console.
@@xeldalachyrule It's not that the story is "bad" (it is not), but rather that Nintendo took a lazy approach to the narrative by focusing exclusively in the gameplay with very little attention put in both enhancing the story by offering more context, conflict and substance to an otherwise hollow and unimaginative experience which only slightly improved upon the "narrative" experienced in Breath to the Wild, while also at the very least attempting to fix the convoluted mess that is the timeline by at least trying to properly connect the events seen in Rauru the Zonai's time with the storylines seen across the timeline prior to the release of Breath of the Wild. It's an _underwhelming_ story and a lazy attempt at continuity that the fans are criticizing.
@@javiervasquez625Holy crap that's all one sentence. Anyways, I would call it lazy, but not because it doesn't follow the continuity of the series. It's been stated multiple times that the bigwigs like Miyamoto, Aonuma, and various writers don't care about the continuity of the franchise. They treat each game as its own self contained world, with implications of connections for fans to speculate on. However, this mindset poses a disadvantage when they're making a DIRECT SEQUEL. Still a good game though, I love it. I want more, that's why we criticize.
@@pancakes8670 That bothers the majority of the fanbase, though; that the devs - the writers - themselves don't care for continuity or the legacy that they created with the series prior to the Wild games. Before, they had gone out of their way to do so, using Ocarina of Time as a foundation to build at least four main titles around. They created a plethora of lore in each game, all interconnected. They even created a "historia" that explains the lore connecting all of them, cementing the concept of separate timelines with specific events leading to and resulting from each one. Now, they express no love lost for "nostalgia", and throw all of the canon lore out the widow as "just Legends". Nah, Ocarina of Time happened; Twilight Princess happened; The Wind Waker happened; Skyward Sword happened. The Wild games are just anthology titles: they're only canon to one another, and those ties are thin as it is. The gameplay has been fun, don't get me wrong, but the plot for both of these games has taken a definite backseat to the gameplay and that's a shame. Aonuma expressed no love for the previous games and no idea why the fans want to go back, and to me that spells trouble.
I hope when Master Works is fully translated, someone will put all of this together in an in-universe chronological order. I WANT TO KNOW ALL THE THINGS!
Considering Sonia was meant to be the Ancestors of all Zeldas was apparently thrown out when they revealed that the Founding of Hyrule was a Refounding that has probably beem put at the end of every game as well. :/
@zakzerak7191 The Ganondorf from their time was never killed; he's sealed beneath the castle. Ergo, he can't reincarnate. Ergo, ZERO games can take place between Goat Rauru's time and Botw time. It can be thousands of years, but no adventures can happen that feature Ganondorf; only the Calamity spawned from his malice.
@@hanburgundy4317 I lean moreso on the "Refounding" side of things at the moment but your logic doesn't really hold because we don't really know what kind of mechanism could even produce another Ganondorf. For all we know, OoT Ganondorf is some sort of product of a Gerudo child and Calamity Ganon (or its essence). In an "Original Founding" scenario you'd probably presume Twinrova from TotK's past are the same as from OoT, meaning they personally witnessed the original Demon King and know what happened. Given the kind of magic we know they were capable of in OoT, I don't think it's really "impossible" to say the sealed Ganondorf's spirit can't somehow pseudo-reincarnate via some dark ritual.
@@DragmireXI But Skyward Sword cemented the mythology: that Ganondorf is the reincarnation of The Demon King, Demise - that his curse is what causes his spirit to reincarnate as a human.
Its mad that Ganondorf was still able to overcome all that despite the Temple of Light amplifying the seal/power and the sages with their secret stones!
I like to believe that Sonia and Rauru did have a kid, but kept them hidden for their safety So well, in fact. That nobody knew of their existence except for a certain few. Then marry into the new royal family
It's very possible. Especially considering how the memories strictly only contain what Princess Zelda saw herself. There's probably loads of extra stuff happening behind the scenes
I wish Nintendo’s design philosophy was more like Fromsoft, at least in terms of world building and lore. From what I’ve seen, it looks like Nintendo doesn’t see this lore being in the game as something that increases the fun of the game. It’s more of a thing they write to explain for themselves than something they intend the fans to see. They’re more interested in just delivering an adventure instead of a story or history lesson. Which is a shame.
It's more just a current Zelda writing team philosophy Other Nintendo games including older Zelda games like OoT and TP had worldbuilding and lore in the games, and even the map designers for BotW/TotK include a lot of environmental storytelling that just gets ignored by the writing team
Interesting that the game has so many intersting storybeats that they never put in. Wonder if the game got a kick in the butt from executives during or just after the writing stage and they had to improv with assets they had for the main quest for a deadline.
It's probably somewhat of a combination of a bunch of things like the impact of covid and hardware limitations. Although, with that said there is so much that I would have loved to have seen more of in the game. I really would have appreciated more of what we saw in BotW's sequel reveal trailer in the final version of the game, for example. I'm not sure why they would omit the Hyrulean forces attempt to take back Hyrule Castle though. That would have been such an epic way to showcase more of the pure destruction Ganondorf caused to the land back then. That is something I would have liked to see much more of.
Really looking forward to you combing through JP Echoes of Wisdom and seeing what kind of lore secrets and implications are in there and "lost" in English!
Plenty of Triforce imagery is still scattered around Hyrule even in TotK, but the lack of any mention of it directly in the game is interesting. The word doesn't appear once throughout the entire text for both TotK and BotW (and there's a LOT of it)
@@QuestWithAaron Yeah okay there is plenty imagery of it. I think the most confusing use of the Triforce image specifically in botw is when Zelda seals/destroys Calamity Ganon in the end. It looks like she got the full Triforce but that couldn't be the case because then you'd have to ask why she didn't just wish for the Calamity to be destroyed
I truly truly hope we get Hyrule Warriors: The Imprisoning War someday. It would be the perfect decision to explain all this untold lore and explore the ancient Hyrule. I honestly see no reason to not do so, and it would be foolish to lose out on a free moneymaker.
I'd actually love to see a company like Ufotable (same company who worked on Demon Slayer, if you've seen that) work together with Nintendo to put together an animated Zelda series. It's what I was hoping for with the movie, actually. Although I understand how unlikely it actually is
For the creation of puppet Zelda, it's too bad they hadn't searched an other context to show it, it's always satisfying to see Ganondorf practicing black magic.
Yes, Creating a Champion is BotW Masterworks TotK Masterworks just doesn’t have the alternate name (yet, at least) Pretty sure Masterworks is the original Japanese version
One thing I STILL dont understand is the timeline. Before people have suspected two possible placements for TOTK (specifically the time Zelda gets sent back to) A. after Skywards Sword or B. after all the other games when the 3 timelines merge together. So when Rauru says hes the first king of hyrule he talking about a refounding of hyrule. To me only option 2 made sense since Hyrule Castle (Botw & totk) was build on top of ganondorf to seal him away and to make sure the seal couldnt be broken. This wouldnt make sense if this happens right after Skywards Sword because we see part of Hyrule during Raurus reign and it look identical to BOTW. You couldnt convince me all the other games play out after since Hyrule constantly changes only to then revert back to look the way we see during the calamity. Also the rito, they only came in existence after Windwaker since the Zora had to adapt due to the flooding of hyrule. And another thing is the sages and what they represent. Some types are always there like water or fire but others change over the course of history so it would only make sense if Totk (past) would happen after all the other timelines. But this book seems to confirm option A! So Im beyond confused, maybe someone can clear things up for me
Logically neither A nor B can be true because BOTH are heavily contradicted which means an option C would be true one that you haven't taken into consideration. Think about it if it can't come before the Hyrule we've seen in the other games and it can't come after then it must be PARALLEL to the Hyrule of the other games thus option C a timeline split.
Dude... Why won't they do DLC?! So much untapped potential here, so much that it's kinda ridiculous they didn't take the ideas further. Our last hope is a Hyrule Warriors: Imprisoning War type of situation, but even then - they can still do a whole game with this amount of information.
NGL at least some of all this lore should've been in the actual game, especially the stuff about the chamber of sages, which would've made at least some attempt of a connection to the classic Zelda lore TotK seems so set on ignoring for the most part, and the origins of the secret stones, which would've made them not seem so out of left field.
I couldn't agree more! I would have really appreciated more stuff included about the place where Ganondorf was sealed. Revealing the name "Temple of Light" at some point in the game would have been huge.
I wish Nintendo would just make a separate Legend of Zelda based in this Hyrule. They could cover the Zonai period, the Great Calamity, I’d even love a game or dlc based on the rebuilding of Hyrule between Breath and Tears. Maybe a post Tears of the Kingdom game, finding an older abandoned Hyrule. I’d still love the mainline games to continue, but it almost seems like they could have both open world games and the traditional format. I also know it would be difficult to maintain two different teams for a franchise that would end up competing with itself.
Personally, I'd really like a Zelda game that moves on from the post-apocalyptic setting. It would be great to be able to explore bigger, more bustling settlements. A fully established Castle Town in the game would have been so incredible to see and get immersed in.
It sure is nice that 95% is not in the game or so obscured that it couldn't be understood. It also is just lovely that the biggest plot holes continue to exist even with these explanations.
It honestly feels like they don't care anymore about continuity with the lore between games. They went out of their way to create multiple timelines with specific events that led to each, and supported this further with Skyward Sword setting everything into motion; everything fit into place. Now... they just throw whatever they want in there and it's weird.
Yeah it feels like there was quite a lot in the game that was too obscured to be able to piece certain things together and form compelling conclusions (atleast thats how it sometimes feels for me). For example, just by knowing the name of the place where Ganondorf was sealed really opens up so much potential for speculation, theories and discussion. I would have loved to have seen more tidbits like this included in the game itself.
Screw this pathetic little hobbit. Calamity Ganon was a more terrifying threat and character than this forgettable one note villain. TotK screwed up so badly that I swear it’s just reskinned and rewritten BotW. It’s not a sequel worth $70 and is Nintendo straight up committing false advertising.
Why does it sound like an AI reading one of those old vocal message boxes where you say STOP to mark a period I'm either referring to telegrams or telegraphs and I'm too lazy to research both
There goes the crackpot theory that some folks had that the Depths are the Sacred Realm. It seems that any structure can be called the Temple of Light and can be renamed as easily as Hyrule Castle and the Temple of Time which is why you see these buildings move around so much over the eras.
The Depths being the Sacred Realm, or the remnants of it, is an extremely fascinating idea. But yeah, the passage of time can cause things to change and be renamed... especially when it's such a long period of time like in TotK.
@@QuestWithAaron Ever since Wind Waker was published it has been established that there is a world under Hyrule and chronologically Skyward Sword established it has always been there. But there are too many contradicting facts to say for certain that the Depths are or were the Sacred Realm. We know Demise and his horde emerged from underground, presumably from the Depths. In OoT, it is said that the Sacred Realm was corrupted into the Dark World and the text dump confirms that Ganondorf was to be sealed into the Sacred Realm which was now being called the Dark World by the end of the game. When the seal broke prior to Wind Waker he emerged from underground just like Demise so this itself suggests the Sacred Realm and the Depths are one and the same. But while those facts line up nicely to support the Sacred Depths theory there is ample facts to contradict that conclusion. The most serious issue being that the goddesses were said to have created the paradisic Golden Land to be the resting place of the Triforce and yet we see by Skyward Sword the Depths is a dark void that monsters call home. You then have the Triforce resting in the Sacred Realm and the Temple of Light being built there by OoT. A dubious choice to put the most powerful relic in Hyrule on the doorstep of your greatest enemies. Then we have another serious complication with Lorule. A place that has so many connections to the Depths and its known history that I could do my own 15 minute video pointing them all out and Princess Hilda herself stated that Lorule has its own Triforce and Sacred Realm. Now we can fill in the blanks here with plausible speculation but the point of theory crafting is to get to the truth is it not? Any theory built on speculations rather than facts is just fan-fiction and there's really not enough pieces one way or the other here to form an even slightly accurate conclusion.
@@KryyssTV To all that engaging evidence against the Sacred Depths theory, i would also add the lore from A Link to the Past stating that the Sacred Realm would _reflect_ whatever laid inside the heart of the person in possession of the Triforce; Zelda has the Triforce during the events of both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, and yet the Depths do NOT look at all like the Paradise it should be as a reflection of Zelda's heart. That alone should serve as evidence that the Sacred Realm and the Depths are not one and the same.
@@javiervasquez625 The issue there us how Nintendo has now officially stated that in-game information is told from an in-universe perspective and is subject to the inaccuracies caused by time and memory. Aonuma explained in TotK interviews that so much time has passed since the older games that events have faded from fact, the legend, to myth and then are fotgotten so in BotW nobody is aware of a prior royal family or kingdom of Hyrule. This is something of a retcon as previously any in-game lore could always be taken as factual but now it cannot since we need to remember it is subject to the perspective of the character or purposely inaccurate by design.
@@KryyssTV I don't see why that would affect the lore established in A Link to the Past just because said lore was forgotten by the time of the Era of the Wild. Even if Zelda herself doesn't know about the reflective properties of the Sacred Realm, that wouldn't stop the Triforce _itself_ from transforming the Sacred Realm into a world representative of what Zelda's heart embodied. To me, that's reason enough to conclude the Depths cannot be the Sacred Realm without the Era of the Wild been 100% detached from the rest of the timeline (which we _know_ is not the case).
I think for me, I have mixed feelings. I feel like the game in the trailers wasn't what we actually got. Especially when before-hand they said it was a sequel. Unrelated to the above: They explained how BOTW was going to have the Kokiri, but they didn't do it because Wind Waker HD Korok models were easily accessible. We were going to get minish in BOTW but that was also scrapped. How did neither of these make it into BOTWs DLC: TOTK? I'm joking at that last part because I know people were saying that and I was the first one to defend it. Then on top of that, all the ideas scrapped in the book. I even saw on twitter they were going to have Skyloft... TOTK really feels like a half-game. Like not dlc, but not a full game. Definitely not a 70 dollar game. The BOTW overworld landscape, in total, was used 3 times now. Including the depths inverted. Tower ideas, Malice/Gloom, Sheikah/Zonai Shrines, Korok "Seeds". The idea of the Zonai is so cool...and they were never touched on. Same with the Sheikah. Same with the Dragon & Tears/Embryos. Same with the disappearance of Triforce lore. I have no idea where this game stands. It seems like it's far in the future, but the back-lore seems to retell OOT events with newer characters. Rauru was originally an old human (oot & totk as shown in the video), Dorf invaded after his almost shot for shot reshowing of "An Act Of Fealty". As shown in OOT when he glances at link through the window during your first Zelda encounter in OOT. Then again, maybe it *is* far in the future and maybe since Dorf made it work in the past (like the DF timeline, which might explain BOTWs links death and the 100 year bath to revive him) he's just reenacting the same thing. In regards to the timeline I just like hearing what goes where as I wouldn't care where the games take place, as long as they were loosely cohesive. That info just isn't so clear imo yet though. Sorry, for the long comment. I usually am the quiet type, but I love Zelda anything.
Yeah I know what you mean. For me personally, I think the sky islands was what I was most disappointed about. It would have been fantastic to see more, non barren islands in the sky, perhaps even something related to Skyloft too would have been fantastic
God, i really wish this was all in the game, because this all would have given ToTK maybe rhe best story in the series, but this id all we get i suppose.
"Sonia is the ancestor of all Zelda's." No - only Zelda's after their time (refounding of Hyrule, 10,000+ years after the other Zelda games), and those would all be half goat 😂 Stupid lore, they're not even trying anymore.
Why is all of this in a book about the game? I wish we could've discovered all of these details in the game itself. Why do they not put these things in the games?
@@v7ave Because Nintendo is a _game developer_ first and a storyteller second. To them, an expanded and engaging narrative is secondary to your entertainment having fun playing a videogame.
Miyamoto hates stories. As far as we can tell, that's the only reason. Lots of devs at Nintendo would like to put more stories in their games, but Miyamoto hates it. Sometimes little bits and pieces leak out, like how they had to hide the story in Mario Galaxy from Miyamoto, and how he made sure that didn't happen again in Galaxy 2.
It would be hard to balance this much stuff with the rest of the game's events, so I think it makes sense for the game's story itself to be more focused on Link's journey and for this book to explain the greater picture.
So a ton of new interesting lore that even connects a few things from tears of the kingdom to breath of the wild and the past 20,000 years ago in the founding of hyrule but we still do don't know what happened to the spirit of the hero and why that one costume of the ancient hero is what it is and why it fucking has red hair, we now absolutely don't know where the triforce is with the information that the tears are just a part of dragons, and still no focus on the timeline cause anouma is so afraid to tell people that a game decidely goes "there" in the timeline for no reason other then he's annoying. At least people in the community are finally unanamously backing the whole its in the doomed timeline thing.
The only thing that is said about them is that they were Ganondorf's "right arms", or collaborators. Nothing is said about them being TOTKdorf's mothers.
I appreciate it! A few others have expressed similar opinions so I have tried to incorporate that feedback into the script of the next video on Echoes of Wisdom (which I have finished recording already). Hopefully it feels at least a little better to listen to than my performance on this video.
Skyward Sword Interpretation: Din created the Land by burying the Old World, that of demons, alive. From what I pieced together from the previous video; The Zonai collaborated with the Mogma to mine the Depths, but they fled into the sky after they dug TOO deep, unleashing the demonic hordes of the Old World, prompting the War Between Gods and Demons. And now Nintendo's claiming that, at some point in TotK's development, Sonia was intended to be an ancestor of ALL the Zeldas, including Skyward Sword Zelda. But at the same time; the Master Works also proposed MULTIPLE answers to single questions in the same book, namely the depths statues possibly being an enemy faction, or an earlier form of the zonai, or something else entirely. I think Nintendo wants us to pick and choose what we believe is and isn't canon for ourselves.
There are even some elements of the Designer's Notes which purposely leave specific points up to interpretation which I was surprised about. But yeah, it seems like they want to give us the freedom to choose what we want. Although I feel like a bit too much freedom can also feel a little restrictive sometimes as well
@1:42 & @4:58 "Far more intricate than portrayed in the game". That's so sad.. scurrying around desperately to put out a book to try and tell an actual story after the fact. When the thing they put out after 6 years feels so underwritten.
All of this is making me realize the Zelda fanbase is pretty stupid sometimes. Zelda games retcon lore constantly, but for some reason forgot that upon Tears' release. The entire fanbase backlash of the story honestly even gaslit me into thinking something was wrong. Nope! The retcons are intentional just like with every other Zelda game, and everyone is just overthinking themselves into a tizzy to cope with a story they dont like.
Yeah. Back in the day, OoT came out as the prequel to AlttP, and it had far more retcons than TotK does. Yet, you don’t hear a peep about that nowadays. The devs adjusting the lore and adding new interpretations/work arounds has been a thing throughout the series history.
@@benjaminlammertz64 made perfect sense to me, but I also went in with an open mind that some elements would be changed, just like with every other Zelda.
Maybe the Wind Waker Rito just took a metric fuckton of creative liberties with the art style? With Laruto and Koboli, I initially thought the Rito were the result of hylians and zora reproducing together, but now? I wonder if Sonia being before all the Zeldas includes Skyward Sword?
thats so bs it just doesnt work at all. we have literaly skyward sword zelda. sonia looks the least like any zelda in the series. the devs honestly fcked up wtf
Refounding theory is dead. The timeline in Master Works heavily implies this Ganondirf comes before OOT Ganondorf too. Let it go and move on at this point lmao
@@abdieljove2011 it doesnt at no point in the book oot ganondorf is referenced or mentioned and the book still says that after totk ganondorf there was no record of other gerudo kings. its still ambiguous as to wheter its refounding or not
Hearing all of this stuff just makes me dislike TotK more because of how much they left out of the game, this would've made it more to continue playing.
Kotodama? how digimon in digimon survive can be called digimon i like because words can have power aka language or script and a program language of digital data can be language and when kotodama distorted aka corrupted data to a digimon and thizs spiritual power alter reality explain a similar but different how digimon use information manipulation can alter the real world. This just must theory, its not Zelda related just randomly throught of it
Okay im probably crazy but hear me out. The TOTK stuff with the past is pre skyward sword. That would explain the robots and time shift stones. The robots in Skysword are probably zoni tech. The remnants of the zoni taught the sheika. Demise who was puppeting the first gannon got mad and revealed himself. Leading to the prologe of skyward sword. The big red pit in OoT is malice. That gannon is tapping into the sealed gannons power. That's why he came back with no problem in 2/3 timelines and created his own by winning. We've had two zeldas at the same time. Why not two gannons? That would also mean the dragon break that happens to unite all three timelines was probably zelda in dragon form, healing the master sword up in the sky barrier. This would also back up and be backed up IMO by the awesome youtber that made bideo connecting all the maps together. If i find the video again, I'll edit this.
The Zonai were all but wiped out by the time they ruled the surface of ancient Hyrule. Rauru and Mineru were the last of their kind. The ancient Sheikah built their technology to defeat Calamity Ganon which took place long after Ganondorf's imprisonment.
I like your content, but I feel like you're reading a bit too robotically. If you maybe made it a little more natural, it would be way easier to listen to. But otherwise, this is some really good stuff
Please take this as a real criticism and not a hate comment. Could you please try to not speak as if there is a period after every word? The narration sounds like early AI speech models except the voice actually sounds human. It's just the that it's spoken that sounds robotic and off putting.
I'm sorry, but the more we learn, the more cheated I feel. I don't want to be THAT guy, but why the FUCK wasn't any of this in the actual game?! Seriously, this would've made the story SO much better!
You know, a connection to think about i haven't seen anyone touch upon yet. As far as i know there's only been one "Zelda" with darker skin like Sonia before: -Petra.- Tetra. In which case, i wonder if Sonia is actually a descendant of Tetra's then. Being only the ancestor of all Zeldas that came after her, in a vast time-gap we haven't seen, instead of at the _beginning_ beginning before Wind Waker.
@@fallatiuso That would contradict Spirit Tracks where _Tetra's_ (not "Petra's") descendants already have fair caucasian skin as they rule over a brand new landmass they call Hyrule miles and miles away from the old kingdom where both the Master Sword and the latest incarnation of Ganondorf were left to be buried by the Great Sea, without any sign of either the sword or Ganondorf been salvageable from all that sea water trapping them for eternity. The reason why Sonia is tanned skined is due to her been a Zonai-Hylian _hybrid_ just like all the tanned skined Hylians we see guarding over her during Zelda's memories of her time in the past.
@@javiervasquez625 ...i can't believe i misremembered her name. haha Honestly i don't see why this can't be that new land either. The people in Zelda seems to have a habit of naming things the same names over and over. Though i am no surprised if it turns out to be a post-great-sea Hyrule. Meanwhile the master sword's a divine relic that could probably find it's way back somehow in an unheard tale. (especially if this Hyrule is post-great sea, which would make it easier to recover it after the divine waters receded. ) But i don't know about Sonia being a hybrid tbh. I think she's a pure Hylian personally. Not to mention, it seems more like she was the Hylian making the hybrids to me. 😏
@@fallatiuso Daphnes Literally wished the Triforce to _destroy_ the entire kingdom of Hyrule alongside Ganondorf and the Master Sword with it... could the Master Sword randomly make its way to the Land of the Lokomos without any logical explanation which wouldn't bypass Daphnes's wish "just because"...? Somehow i doubt it. Did you just shove aside all those _other Hylians_ we see alongside Sonia in Zelda's memories? They also share her tanned skin and elongated ears as a direct cause of crossbreeding between Zonai and Hylian.
@@javiervasquez625 I'll be honest, somehow my mind bypassed them entirely due to being background characters. Strongly doubt they're hybrids honestly. I think they're just regular if dark-skinned Hylians. Hylians have always had the elf ears if i recall. And it's not like you need to couple with a space-goat-bunny to get darker skin either, or it would raise some questions for Tetra and them all. haha Re-watching the ending of WW, He didn't actually wish directly for Ancient Hyrule to be destroyed, but to be washed away; He wished for a future with hope for Tetra, Link, and the world. So i figure old Hyrule wasn't so much physically destroyed as much as it was flooded and forgotten. Left in the past. But really, it still doesn't stop someone else in the future making their own wish to regain the sword, or beseeching the gods for assistance and it descends from on high, or by divine plan recovering it to fight yet another reincarnated Ganon/dorf, which seems to happen a lot. Alternatively it just washes up somewhere, likely again due to divine providence. (Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if _even after_ being physically destroyed the master sword could still somehow be reforged back into physicality "from it's spirit", in a spirit realm, from its "divine essence", or something else like that. Not the first time it's been physically reforged, or spiritually restored. The master sword is a pretty exceptional object after all.)
This confirms the narrative potential of TOTK and the disappointing story of the final game. Maybe Nintendo could explore this narrative in another warriors game. But that’s just wishful thinking.
I sure hope not. Warriors is such a dull unfun game style. I'd rather they put this in something that's engaging instead. Even hiring some animators to turn it into a video series would be more interesting than another awful Warriors game.
This game, hoo boy…how much I HATED it by the time I finished the final boss with Dragon Ganondorf. It fails as a sequel, it fails as a game trying to capture BotW’s amazing atmosphere, it fails as a game worth 6 years waiting AND $70. I wanted more about the Sheikah and their tech, the Divine Beasts and Guardians, the first battle with Calamity Ganon, the Champions and their successors. Instead, it copies so much of reused premises that make Nintendo games a bore to play because they like to just copy and paste plots and stories. Even listening to this book makes me think they never wanted to actually follow Breath of the Wild, it’s established reality or anything. Heck, the Yiga Clan felt like an almost scrapped concept given how easy it is to overlook Kohga and those in the Depths. Everything about BotW is better than TotK and the “world breaking s***” they tried to replace it with. No building your own stupid mechs will replace what I experienced in the first game.
I actually really liked the final fight with Ganondorf, I thought it was very atmospheric. With that said, I would absolutely love to see more fleshed out sky islands and places to find in the Depths. Perhaps a little more variation with monsters too, like the Frox- they were excellent
@@QuestWithAaronI thought the battle was way too easy (Dragon form) because it’s way too easy to avoid his attacks. At least the giant boar of BotW has you on horse back, not flying around in the skies. He isn’t even that impressive a form when you remember the nightmare fuel that was Calamity Ganon at the end of the first game. I don’t even get why he is dressed like a samurai this time.
@@asterthehedgehog6861 I absolutely agree with you that the demon dragon fight was too easy. I get that they were going for a more cinematic feel, but it really didn't feel like a threat at all gameplay wise. There is a section in the book that talks about the silk road and it's influence of Ganondorfs design. It's pretty cool
I know right? 😅 As many have pointed out, it's probable Aonuma was merely been metaphorical about it without _actually_ intending to say Sonia does in fact predate all the Zeldas we've seen across the timeline without contradicting everything we know about the established lore. Either he's using figurative speech or he's lost all his brain cells (i'm pretty much sold on the former alternative).
@@javiervasquez625 Oh, I've been theorizing that Rauru's Hyrule is the nation that fell before Skyward Sword from the moment I finished the Dragon Memories.
@@javiervasquez625 It does make a crazy amount of sense, and has a lot of explanation power. It doesn't work with some commonly held fan theories, but the games are the primary canon.
I really hope the intended.l Does a better job with the english localization... They are completely terrible when it comes to the legend of Zelda series regarding translation and Sonia Is confirmed to be a descendant of skyward sword Zelda
The Depths were great when entering them for the first time, although I did find that that magic quickly wore off. I think one of the problems comes with the design philosophy for it. It feels like they didn't want to make people feel like they missed out on too much if they didn't explore the Depths completely. Once you start going from light root to light root, however, it does begin to feel repetitive quite quickly and I felt like there wasn't much satisfaction or excitement from finishing it either- just an uninteractable medal.
@@mercianthane2503 Story wise, I kind of agree. Gameplay, though, Totk takes the crown between the two; the caves and sky islands made exploration much more... in depth. 😂 Badum, tiss.
I think Bleaxg explicitly states understanding the meaning of the word and screaming out loud evoke power. Plus I think this trope is all over the word. The very idea speaking out spells by muttering lost arcane runes to cast powerful magic.
1:00 You have to be freaking kidding me! I swear to god, I'm going back to the thing I believed in the first few weeks after TotK came out: that they had de-canonized all Zelda games prior to BotW and they were starting from scratch. I stopped beliving that when Fujibayashi said in an interview that no, that the previous Zelda games were still in continuity, and that the Hyrule from the Wild era was essentially a third Hyrule after the previous two were destroyed. But I'm starting to believe Fujibayashi just made up that reply on the spot out of panic.
Yeah, Aonuma now has completely lost track of WHAT THE HECK they are doing if he's willing to indulge the notion Sonia is THE ancestor to *ALL* the Zeldas despite the explicit contradictions to the lore seen across the entire series to even entertain such a notion. If it's indeed the case that Sonia preceeds all the Zeldas across the whole timeline, then screw it: I AM DONE caring about the "story" in this franchise.
This is not the first time we’ve seen a “definitive first” Princess Zelda. Z2 had that element as a back story, and it got retconned too. Sonia might have just been the first royal in the kingdom’s refounding.
I mean, that's what you should believe, seeing as Nintendo recently put out a timeline that says BotW and TotK are completely removed from all the previous games. They're not set hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of years after the ends of the other games. They're a brand new disconnected timeline. (and for the people who need to hear this, Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity isn't on the timeline, proving for the billionth time that a spinoff "what if?" game isn't canon. not sure why people expected it to be canon in the first place because it would mean BotW doesn't happen if it is canon, but there we go, Nintendo confirmed it again so people can STFU about it)
"In ancient Hyrule social status was marked by the number of tears painted around one's eyes" - Hey, just like modern prison!
x'D you legend
Bro 💀🙏🏻
Not really in prison it marks multiple things like it can be used to show how long you have served with a teardrop equal to a year or it can show murder victims or a hollow teardrop can mean attempted murder or it can mean how many people you have lost and some prisoners will mark someone with it to let others know this person is something vile like a PDF file it just depends on the prison the location of the tattoo it's size etc. Usually it just shows that you are serving a long sentence
Listening to this video and all of the facts blows my mind, the fact that we didn’t get half of the things shown in the Master Works in the final game is insane. The fact that the Imprisoning Chamber is actually the Temple of Light and it was all a very strategic battle is amazing, but upsetting that it didn’t make the final game. 🤯
Devs must've spent too much time perfecting the physics.
It's also infuriating, because that's exactly the kind of stuff the ancient sages could have told us, instead of 4 identical repeats of the same bloody story.
@@quillion3rdoption Nintendo put all of their eggs in a single basket once again.
Seriously it's so annoying. This is a step above From Soft hiding lore in weapon descriptions. They flat out don't tell us all the lore in the game itself lol
@@Mirage475 There's nothing wrong with "hiding" lore by making the player seek it out. In fact, it makes learning about the lore more rewarding because it's not just handed to you.
I won't deny that it can be taken too far sometimes though.
Just listening this makes me wish TOTK would get some DLC, we need to know more about this Era, The Sacred Trees (possibly connected to the Deku Tree?) and Ganondorf.
I would love to see what the Temple of Light looked like in its prime
Honestly I disliked the game so much I wouldn't spend more on it.
Nah, I want a new Hyrule or a return to an older one. I honestly hate the "lore" of the Wild games.
@@QuestWithAaron DW, they'll probably release Hyrule Warriors The Imprisoning War...eventually
On a lesser note, some additional customization options for Link's house would be nice too.
Hearing more about the Imprisoning War (or ‘Sealing War’ in Japanese) from the Master Wars… makes me wished the Zelda team and Nintendo would make a Torna-esque TOTK side story where players get see more of Zelda’s journey in the distant past.
Hopefully they would consider it after the release of the Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom (very excited for this 2D Zelda game).
I wondered if Ganondorf intend to use the Chamber of Six Sages (or the pillars from the Temple of Light) to fulfill his goals as you mentioned in his motivations video before being sealed by King Rauru himself.
I REALLY want to see the adventures of the miscellaneous heroes; the Hero of Men, the Ancient Hero, and the Cycle Breaker from Hyrule Warriors.
I really do think there's so much more content they could cover about Zelda's story I'm the ancient past, I'd love to see something put together
would it had killed the devs for adding "Temple of Light" and "Chamber of Sages" to location names in the game? my god
I can see why they didn't given the fact that the actual Chamber of Sages from Ocarina of Time is outright stated to exist inside the _Sacred Realm,_ which is a different plane of reality to Hyrule. It wouldn't have made sense for a location called "Chamber of Sages" to exist within Hyrule itself without contradicting the established lore.
@javiervasquez625 Totk's very story already contradicts established lore so I don't think they're very concerned about that
@@masterpig9485 Still, the Sacred Realm is not located in Hyrule, hence why Aonuma and co. didn't take the decision of conflating the lore surrounding the Ancient Sages from Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past with that of the Sages from Rauru's Hyrule.
@@javiervasquez625 They soft rebooted the franchise, i dont think that matters no more, botw/totk and all games from here on out are not connected to the previous ones almost at all.
@@EberTLOZ "Soft" reboot isn't the same as a _hard_ reboot, in case you haven't noticed. The lore established in previous titles isn't magically getting erased just because Nintendo is resetting the timeline with a brand new kingdom thousands of years after the established three timelines vanished from recorded history. It's why we still got a Master Sword, Fi still living inside of it, the Triforce still been around (inside Zelda), Ganondorf still reincarnating as he's been doing since Four Swords Adventures and many callbacks, continuity nods and references to all the previous games in the timeline prior to Breath of the Wild.
I repeat: it's a *soft* reboot, not a hard reboot. The old lore is still connected to the Wild duology (as proven by Echoes of Wisdom).
wow it sure as heck would've been cool to have these details in the game you know??????!
Tinfoil hat theory time: if Rauru's founding was really a refounding, then maybe the Temple of Light location was where the ancient Hyrule Castle was built. From there, a new castle may have been built elsewhere sometime before the old kingdom collapsed altogether, with the old site being retained as the entrance to the Temple of Light. The surface portion may have fallen into ruin over the ages, before being rebuilt as a new castle on the same site. I mean, it's not like we see a dessicated corpse in the Temple of Light any other time we see it.
The sealing power makes a lot of sense as a combination of light and time. The power comes off as light, with the appearance of the Tri force, but it also reseals Calamity Ganon for another 10,000, like if its resetting the Malice and Gloom cycle back to its starting state, until it needs to be reset in another 10,000 years.
I think that the sealing power being a combination of light and time power is a very interesting point. I have a video that I've been wanting to get out that talks about the power of light (good) in the Zelda series but it's been one thing after another with Master Works and now Echoes of Wisdom around the corner. I'll get it to you eventually!
great video and narration man! the rest of the comments are kind of upset but I for one think you did great by bringing to light these details most of us wouldn't have known, and from the rawest source possible too :) so thank you!
I appreciate it, thank you very much! ^^
Honestly, that they need to explain some of those things in post game artbook is a testament to how badly the narration was constructed in the game :/
You are quickly becoming one of my most favorite channels! I love this dive into the Japanese lore behind the Zelda franchise. I always thought there was so much more folklore weaved into their games, recognizing some of them with my very limited knowledge of Japanese culture. Great video!
Wow, I really appreciate that! I am honoured, thank you!
@@QuestWithAaron it's true
Does Master Works say anything about the cycle of Gerudo males being born every hundred years? Creating a Champion states that Gerudo records show no males being born since Ganondorf became the Calamity, implying that there can only ever be one male Gerudo at a time. Is something like that present in this book?
It does, actually! Although it is written in speculative language, I will cover it in a future video
I wish this was in the game itself...
This imagine a world filled with small hints to all this similar to from soft games
This would’ve been a great way to make Zelda playable if these contents are in the game.
If they still went this route, I would still HATE TotK as a final product. This is just a rehash of BotW with a new reality and bull origin story. It’s the same as Mario Galaxy 2 reusing the same exact premise. Nintendo can’t be original with ANYTHING in terms of plots. The only exceptions are the Splatoon franchise and Pokémon Ultra Sun/Moon.
@@asterthehedgehog6861 “new reality”?
@@asterthehedgehog6861I don’t think usum is a good example here 😬
So if Sonia was to be the ancestor of all Zeldas, what does that make her relation to the Zelda of Skyward Sword, the first Zelda, the mortal reincarnation of Goddess Hylia, and who was believed to be the progenitor of the bloodline of the Goddess?
They released a new time line update somewhere, where it was shown that BotW and TotK are their own timeline, disconnected from all others.
@@gammaraysummerhead
That’s not the case; they are stated to be so far into the future that all previous Zelda games have faded into myths and legends, not a separate rebooted universe.
thats just how they designed her doest mean she is the ancestor to ALL zeldas, yall reading too much into something that is just meant to convey a feel rather than be an actual truth
@@dreamer1292
I guess it was meant to be a metaphor.
@@chrispork1443 Exactly what dreamer said, there's no way Sonia predates all the Zeldas without confirming Aonuma and the Zelda team have to every brain cell they had left in their attempt to "reinvent" Zelda with the Wild games.
Fantastic as always! Thank you for posting this!
If you’ll permit me, I’d like to copy over a point I tried to make elsewhere-Sonia being the “ancestor” of Zelda may not be as canon-breaking as we might think at first glance. _Zelda II_ has a “First of all Zeldas” in its backstory, and that got retconned eventually into a “First of all Zeldas within this kingdom/timeline/etc.” Sonia is probably just the first royal Hylian after the refounding.
Or.... Maybe not... Like for real, before the book i was 50/50 on trueFounding/Refounding, but the whole book seems more inclined towards True Founding or Alt. Timeline. Like there's not much in the book to support Refounding.
And I'm not being bias, I truly was looking for concrete evidence for the Refounding theory in the book, some fan theories were convincing and even reasonable.
It flows way easier as a different continuity than to try and cram it as part of the overarching story of previous games.
@@AarturoSc Yeah, because you say so, right? Not the developers who've released explicit statements and published official supplementary sources which corroborate one another as to the Wild duology's placement within the _same_ timeline where the entire series takes place in. Also, funny how you blatantly shove aside the release of Echoes of Wisdom which is very much trying to tie the Wild games to the Downfall Timeline with its mirror ressemblance to the Triforce of the Gods duology... lol.
@@javiervasquez625 Sure thing, dude.
@@AarturoSc Oh, you got so salty you can't reply anything with a pinch of substance? I'll accept your surrender, dude.
Well done! If there’s more to cover, please make more videos like this!
Thank you! There's loads more I want to talk about! With Echoes of Wisdom on the horizon, I imagine i'll be making some content about that game for a bit before returning to Master Works and TotK
The Sonia thing can still be interpreted as the ascentor of all the Zelda in this specific royal blood line and she has elements of the Zelda’s that came before her.
I agree. I think they're pointing out that her design intentionally incorporates several elements from the designs of previous Zeldas.
The only thing that connects her with other Zeldas is unfortunally just her biological race and her look.
The one thing she doesnt have is the Power of Holy Light that was within the Goddess Hylia, That's a Power that almost every other Zelda is connected to, Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks, Twilight Princess, Four Swords Adventures, Minish Cap, Skyward Sword, maybe A Link to the Past as well...
They all have connections to the holy Power of evil repelling light.
This is the one Power that Sonia did not have but this was definitely something Rauru was capable of
@@Chris-gx1ei
And why? Lol He's a goat. Why would he have the power of The Goddess? Skyward made it clear that ZELDA and her reincarnations have that power solely because she's the reincarnation of the Goddess Hylia. Why would some random goat guy have it?
@@hanburgundy4317
I am pretty sure the Zonai are a Race of "Kami" in Japanese, Kami means anything from Spirits to Gods/Deities, the Great Deku Tree can be seem as a Kami, the Great Fairies, which can be seen as "Small Gods" in the Western Interpretation, can also be classified as Kami, even Hylia herself is a Kami -, basically anything powerful and Supernatural creature og Light can be seen as a Kami by that definition, ans this makes the Zonai a minor Race of Gods, I'm even sure they are depicted as their Descendants Eventually ingame - which wouldnt be something new that higher deities give birth to another type of deities, the Titan Cronos in Greek Mythology gave birth to most of the Gods like the Three "main ones" Zeus, Hades and Poseidon who rule over olympus, the underworld and the ocean.
I don't know with who the Gods could have made Children with to cause the Zonai to develope, though we have to consider not all Hyrulian Gods are Humanoid, Wind Waker Features two Wind Gods that are Frogs, even the three Dragons in Skyward Sword are Worshipped as Gods thatbare guarding their region.
And the Holy Power is not neccesarily bound to Hylia's *soul*, Zelda's mom also had these powers because she comes from the same Lineage that started with Skyward Sword Zelda.
Not to forget that Hylia's Soul is not entirely bound to Demise's curse at all.
It said "Those who share the blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero", as long as Zelda's Bloodline stands and as long as the Hero gets reborn, evil will haunt these two and bring especially these two misery.
Everytime Link gets reborn doesnt have to be Hylia Reborn, technically there does not need to be a Zelda at all as long as the Bloodline stands.
@@hanburgundy4317
(it might be that my Comments get deleted by RUclips for unknown reason, I wrote a long text trying to explain this, but it got removed, So pardon me if my explaination is vague, I just am Impatient with the crap RUclips does by deleting long texts)
Tears of the kingdom should’ve been delayed and worked on for the next console… it would’ve been more fleshed out and developed while being a poetic end for the switch era.
I know what you mean. I remember thinking a few years ago that TotK might end up receiving a similar treatment to BotW and release on two consoles simultaneously: the switch and the switch's successor. I am very excited to see what the next Zelda game will be like on the new console.
Y’all really don’t like TotK, huh? Am I the only one who genuinely enjoyed the game and the story it told?
@@xeldalachyrule It's not that the story is "bad" (it is not), but rather that Nintendo took a lazy approach to the narrative by focusing exclusively in the gameplay with very little attention put in both enhancing the story by offering more context, conflict and substance to an otherwise hollow and unimaginative experience which only slightly improved upon the "narrative" experienced in Breath to the Wild, while also at the very least attempting to fix the convoluted mess that is the timeline by at least trying to properly connect the events seen in Rauru the Zonai's time with the storylines seen across the timeline prior to the release of Breath of the Wild.
It's an _underwhelming_ story and a lazy attempt at continuity that the fans are criticizing.
@@javiervasquez625Holy crap that's all one sentence.
Anyways, I would call it lazy, but not because it doesn't follow the continuity of the series. It's been stated multiple times that the bigwigs like Miyamoto, Aonuma, and various writers don't care about the continuity of the franchise. They treat each game as its own self contained world, with implications of connections for fans to speculate on.
However, this mindset poses a disadvantage when they're making a DIRECT SEQUEL. Still a good game though, I love it. I want more, that's why we criticize.
I’m still on the side that TOTK was better than BOTW and I always will be. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
@@pancakes8670
That bothers the majority of the fanbase, though; that the devs - the writers - themselves don't care for continuity or the legacy that they created with the series prior to the Wild games. Before, they had gone out of their way to do so, using Ocarina of Time as a foundation to build at least four main titles around. They created a plethora of lore in each game, all interconnected. They even created a "historia" that explains the lore connecting all of them, cementing the concept of separate timelines with specific events leading to and resulting from each one.
Now, they express no love lost for "nostalgia", and throw all of the canon lore out the widow as "just Legends". Nah, Ocarina of Time happened; Twilight Princess happened; The Wind Waker happened; Skyward Sword happened. The Wild games are just anthology titles: they're only canon to one another, and those ties are thin as it is.
The gameplay has been fun, don't get me wrong, but the plot for both of these games has taken a definite backseat to the gameplay and that's a shame. Aonuma expressed no love for the previous games and no idea why the fans want to go back, and to me that spells trouble.
No I definitely liked it alot
I hope when Master Works is fully translated, someone will put all of this together in an in-universe chronological order. I WANT TO KNOW ALL THE THINGS!
Considering Sonia was meant to be the Ancestors of all Zeldas was apparently thrown out when they revealed that the Founding of Hyrule was a Refounding that has probably beem put at the end of every game as well.
:/
when and how did they reveal that? as far as i know its all speculation
@zakzerak7191
The Ganondorf from their time was never killed; he's sealed beneath the castle. Ergo, he can't reincarnate. Ergo, ZERO games can take place between Goat Rauru's time and Botw time. It can be thousands of years, but no adventures can happen that feature Ganondorf; only the Calamity spawned from his malice.
@@hanburgundy4317 I lean moreso on the "Refounding" side of things at the moment but your logic doesn't really hold because we don't really know what kind of mechanism could even produce another Ganondorf. For all we know, OoT Ganondorf is some sort of product of a Gerudo child and Calamity Ganon (or its essence). In an "Original Founding" scenario you'd probably presume Twinrova from TotK's past are the same as from OoT, meaning they personally witnessed the original Demon King and know what happened. Given the kind of magic we know they were capable of in OoT, I don't think it's really "impossible" to say the sealed Ganondorf's spirit can't somehow pseudo-reincarnate via some dark ritual.
@@zakzerak7191Well technically they said Hyrule "could have been refounded." That was practically confirmation.
@@DragmireXI
But Skyward Sword cemented the mythology: that Ganondorf is the reincarnation of The Demon King, Demise - that his curse is what causes his spirit to reincarnate as a human.
Its mad that Ganondorf was still able to overcome all that despite the Temple of Light amplifying the seal/power and the sages with their secret stones!
His power was actually insane
I like to believe that Sonia and Rauru did have a kid, but kept them hidden for their safety
So well, in fact. That nobody knew of their existence except for a certain few. Then marry into the new royal family
It's very possible. Especially considering how the memories strictly only contain what Princess Zelda saw herself. There's probably loads of extra stuff happening behind the scenes
I wish Nintendo’s design philosophy was more like Fromsoft, at least in terms of world building and lore. From what I’ve seen, it looks like Nintendo doesn’t see this lore being in the game as something that increases the fun of the game. It’s more of a thing they write to explain for themselves than something they intend the fans to see. They’re more interested in just delivering an adventure instead of a story or history lesson. Which is a shame.
It's more just a current Zelda writing team philosophy
Other Nintendo games including older Zelda games like OoT and TP had worldbuilding and lore in the games, and even the map designers for BotW/TotK include a lot of environmental storytelling that just gets ignored by the writing team
@@TommySkywalker11 I disagree.
Elden Ring and its DLC is truly fantastic
Interesting that the game has so many intersting storybeats that they never put in.
Wonder if the game got a kick in the butt from executives during or just after the writing stage and they had to improv with assets they had for the main quest for a deadline.
It's probably somewhat of a combination of a bunch of things like the impact of covid and hardware limitations. Although, with that said there is so much that I would have loved to have seen more of in the game. I really would have appreciated more of what we saw in BotW's sequel reveal trailer in the final version of the game, for example. I'm not sure why they would omit the Hyrulean forces attempt to take back Hyrule Castle though. That would have been such an epic way to showcase more of the pure destruction Ganondorf caused to the land back then. That is something I would have liked to see much more of.
This is so cool, is there any information on when there will be an English translation of the Masterworks to purchase?
No information on an English release yet, although I have no doubt it'll be out eventually (maybe later next year if we go by what happened with BotW)
@@QuestWithAaron thanks for the quick reply! Your video really hyped me up for this sort of lore stuff so I hope it isn't too long haha
Really looking forward to you combing through JP Echoes of Wisdom and seeing what kind of lore secrets and implications are in there and "lost" in English!
Do you like it
I think it’s one of the best Zeldas
Pillars often increase the ceiling power.
I just want to know why Nintendo are retconning the triforce
Not even sure if that counts as a retcon. They just straight up ignore it
Plenty of Triforce imagery is still scattered around Hyrule even in TotK, but the lack of any mention of it directly in the game is interesting. The word doesn't appear once throughout the entire text for both TotK and BotW (and there's a LOT of it)
@@QuestWithAaron Yeah okay there is plenty imagery of it. I think the most confusing use of the Triforce image specifically in botw is when Zelda seals/destroys Calamity Ganon in the end. It looks like she got the full Triforce but that couldn't be the case because then you'd have to ask why she didn't just wish for the Calamity to be destroyed
Yona being a swordsman like link? I see what you did there Zelda team, I see 😏
I truly truly hope we get Hyrule Warriors: The Imprisoning War someday. It would be the perfect decision to explain all this untold lore and explore the ancient Hyrule. I honestly see no reason to not do so, and it would be foolish to lose out on a free moneymaker.
It seems there is so much more content to TOTK, I swear Nintendo could make it a whole anime lol
I'd actually love to see a company like Ufotable (same company who worked on Demon Slayer, if you've seen that) work together with Nintendo to put together an animated Zelda series. It's what I was hoping for with the movie, actually. Although I understand how unlikely it actually is
Why put essential or important lore inside the video game, when you can just put it in a book and sell it later :-(
For the creation of puppet Zelda, it's too bad they hadn't searched an other context to show it, it's always satisfying to see Ganondorf practicing black magic.
Finding another context to showcase that cut cutscene is a great idea
the ancestor of all Zelda's thats gotta be hinting at tears past happening before skyward sword
Is this the TotK equivalent to “Creating a Champion”?
Yes, Creating a Champion is BotW Masterworks
TotK Masterworks just doesn’t have the alternate name (yet, at least)
Pretty sure Masterworks is the original Japanese version
@@xeldalachyruleI need it for my nerd shelf
@@themuzzy2020 Fair enough
One thing I STILL dont understand is the timeline. Before people have suspected two possible placements for TOTK (specifically the time Zelda gets sent back to)
A. after Skywards Sword
or
B. after all the other games when the 3 timelines merge together.
So when Rauru says hes the first king of hyrule he talking about a refounding of hyrule.
To me only option 2 made sense since Hyrule Castle (Botw & totk) was build on top of ganondorf to seal him away and to make sure the seal couldnt be broken. This wouldnt make sense if this happens right after Skywards Sword because we see part of Hyrule during Raurus reign and it look identical to BOTW. You couldnt convince me all the other games play out after since Hyrule constantly changes only to then revert back to look the way we see during the calamity.
Also the rito, they only came in existence after Windwaker since the Zora had to adapt due to the flooding of hyrule.
And another thing is the sages and what they represent. Some types are always there like water or fire but others change over the course of history so it would only make sense if Totk (past) would happen after all the other timelines.
But this book seems to confirm option A! So Im beyond confused, maybe someone can clear things up for me
Logically neither A nor B can be true because BOTH are heavily contradicted which means an option C would be true one that you haven't taken into consideration. Think about it if it can't come before the Hyrule we've seen in the other games and it can't come after then it must be PARALLEL to the Hyrule of the other games thus option C a timeline split.
A giant tree stump is above the Room of Awakening where you wake up with Raurus arm. Similar to the Glooms Origin. 😮
Coincidence? I don’t think so.
This is exactly the content I was hoping for from masterworks!
There's so much more awesome stuff in there too!
Dude... Why won't they do DLC?! So much untapped potential here, so much that it's kinda ridiculous they didn't take the ideas further. Our last hope is a Hyrule Warriors: Imprisoning War type of situation, but even then - they can still do a whole game with this amount of information.
I completely agree with you! I would love to explore Hyrule in the ancient past. I think it would be fantastic and there is plenty of lore for it.
Whats crazy is that we get to see a Queen. A king and queen of Hyrule
That's very true. Crazy how rare that is in Zelda
NGL at least some of all this lore should've been in the actual game, especially the stuff about the chamber of sages, which would've made at least some attempt of a connection to the classic Zelda lore TotK seems so set on ignoring for the most part, and the origins of the secret stones, which would've made them not seem so out of left field.
I couldn't agree more! I would have really appreciated more stuff included about the place where Ganondorf was sealed. Revealing the name "Temple of Light" at some point in the game would have been huge.
I love this game and everybody is hating on it
Very interesting video. Nothing on the weird zonaï-ish hero yet?
There is some stuff about the ancient hero that proposes he has connections to the Gerudo and Zonai. I'll probably cover it in another video as well
@@QuestWithAaron Cool, thanks. : )
I wish Nintendo would just make a separate Legend of Zelda based in this Hyrule. They could cover the Zonai period, the Great Calamity, I’d even love a game or dlc based on the rebuilding of Hyrule between Breath and Tears. Maybe a post Tears of the Kingdom game, finding an older abandoned Hyrule.
I’d still love the mainline games to continue, but it almost seems like they could have both open world games and the traditional format. I also know it would be difficult to maintain two different teams for a franchise that would end up competing with itself.
Personally, I'd really like a Zelda game that moves on from the post-apocalyptic setting. It would be great to be able to explore bigger, more bustling settlements. A fully established Castle Town in the game would have been so incredible to see and get immersed in.
It sure is nice that 95% is not in the game or so obscured that it couldn't be understood. It also is just lovely that the biggest plot holes continue to exist even with these explanations.
It honestly feels like they don't care anymore about continuity with the lore between games. They went out of their way to create multiple timelines with specific events that led to each, and supported this further with Skyward Sword setting everything into motion; everything fit into place. Now... they just throw whatever they want in there and it's weird.
Yeah it feels like there was quite a lot in the game that was too obscured to be able to piece certain things together and form compelling conclusions (atleast thats how it sometimes feels for me). For example, just by knowing the name of the place where Ganondorf was sealed really opens up so much potential for speculation, theories and discussion. I would have loved to have seen more tidbits like this included in the game itself.
We need Ganondorf DLC!! I need more lore on my man😭
Nintendo: No, we ran out of ideas. Maybe this Ganondorf will return in a later game, but no DLC
Screw this pathetic little hobbit. Calamity Ganon was a more terrifying threat and character than this forgettable one note villain. TotK screwed up so badly that I swear it’s just reskinned and rewritten BotW. It’s not a sequel worth $70 and is Nintendo straight up committing false advertising.
@@chadpeterson5698 After he got nuked into oblivion, i seriously doubt he's coming back.
@@javiervasquez625it’s Ganondorf, he always comes back in some way, it is inevitable.
@@chadpeterson5698
He means _this_ Ganondorf: this incarnation. He'll reincarnate, but I doubt they'll tie any future games directly to these two.
Why does it sound like an AI reading one of those old vocal message boxes where you say STOP to mark a period
I'm either referring to telegrams or telegraphs and I'm too lazy to research both
Thanks for your feedback STOP I'll do my best to sound more human-like next time STOP
There goes the crackpot theory that some folks had that the Depths are the Sacred Realm. It seems that any structure can be called the Temple of Light and can be renamed as easily as Hyrule Castle and the Temple of Time which is why you see these buildings move around so much over the eras.
The Depths being the Sacred Realm, or the remnants of it, is an extremely fascinating idea. But yeah, the passage of time can cause things to change and be renamed... especially when it's such a long period of time like in TotK.
@@QuestWithAaron Ever since Wind Waker was published it has been established that there is a world under Hyrule and chronologically Skyward Sword established it has always been there. But there are too many contradicting facts to say for certain that the Depths are or were the Sacred Realm.
We know Demise and his horde emerged from underground, presumably from the Depths. In OoT, it is said that the Sacred Realm was corrupted into the Dark World and the text dump confirms that Ganondorf was to be sealed into the Sacred Realm which was now being called the Dark World by the end of the game. When the seal broke prior to Wind Waker he emerged from underground just like Demise so this itself suggests the Sacred Realm and the Depths are one and the same.
But while those facts line up nicely to support the Sacred Depths theory there is ample facts to contradict that conclusion.
The most serious issue being that the goddesses were said to have created the paradisic Golden Land to be the resting place of the Triforce and yet we see by Skyward Sword the Depths is a dark void that monsters call home. You then have the Triforce resting in the Sacred Realm and the Temple of Light being built there by OoT. A dubious choice to put the most powerful relic in Hyrule on the doorstep of your greatest enemies. Then we have another serious complication with Lorule. A place that has so many connections to the Depths and its known history that I could do my own 15 minute video pointing them all out and Princess Hilda herself stated that Lorule has its own Triforce and Sacred Realm.
Now we can fill in the blanks here with plausible speculation but the point of theory crafting is to get to the truth is it not? Any theory built on speculations rather than facts is just fan-fiction and there's really not enough pieces one way or the other here to form an even slightly accurate conclusion.
@@KryyssTV To all that engaging evidence against the Sacred Depths theory, i would also add the lore from A Link to the Past stating that the Sacred Realm would _reflect_ whatever laid inside the heart of the person in possession of the Triforce; Zelda has the Triforce during the events of both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, and yet the Depths do NOT look at all like the Paradise it should be as a reflection of Zelda's heart. That alone should serve as evidence that the Sacred Realm and the Depths are not one and the same.
@@javiervasquez625 The issue there us how Nintendo has now officially stated that in-game information is told from an in-universe perspective and is subject to the inaccuracies caused by time and memory. Aonuma explained in TotK interviews that so much time has passed since the older games that events have faded from fact, the legend, to myth and then are fotgotten so in BotW nobody is aware of a prior royal family or kingdom of Hyrule.
This is something of a retcon as previously any in-game lore could always be taken as factual but now it cannot since we need to remember it is subject to the perspective of the character or purposely inaccurate by design.
@@KryyssTV I don't see why that would affect the lore established in A Link to the Past just because said lore was forgotten by the time of the Era of the Wild. Even if Zelda herself doesn't know about the reflective properties of the Sacred Realm, that wouldn't stop the Triforce _itself_ from transforming the Sacred Realm into a world representative of what Zelda's heart embodied. To me, that's reason enough to conclude the Depths cannot be the Sacred Realm without the Era of the Wild been 100% detached from the rest of the timeline (which we _know_ is not the case).
I think for me, I have mixed feelings. I feel like the game in the trailers wasn't what we actually got. Especially when before-hand they said it was a sequel.
Unrelated to the above: They explained how BOTW was going to have the Kokiri, but they didn't do it because Wind Waker HD Korok models were easily accessible. We were going to get minish in BOTW but that was also scrapped. How did neither of these make it into BOTWs DLC: TOTK? I'm joking at that last part because I know people were saying that and I was the first one to defend it. Then on top of that, all the ideas scrapped in the book. I even saw on twitter they were going to have Skyloft...
TOTK really feels like a half-game. Like not dlc, but not a full game. Definitely not a 70 dollar game.
The BOTW overworld landscape, in total, was used 3 times now. Including the depths inverted. Tower ideas, Malice/Gloom, Sheikah/Zonai Shrines, Korok "Seeds".
The idea of the Zonai is so cool...and they were never touched on. Same with the Sheikah. Same with the Dragon & Tears/Embryos. Same with the disappearance of Triforce lore.
I have no idea where this game stands. It seems like it's far in the future, but the back-lore seems to retell OOT events with newer characters. Rauru was originally an old human (oot & totk as shown in the video), Dorf invaded after his almost shot for shot reshowing of "An Act Of Fealty". As shown in OOT when he glances at link through the window during your first Zelda encounter in OOT.
Then again, maybe it *is* far in the future and maybe since Dorf made it work in the past (like the DF timeline, which might explain BOTWs links death and the 100 year bath to revive him) he's just reenacting the same thing. In regards to the timeline I just like hearing what goes where as I wouldn't care where the games take place, as long as they were loosely cohesive. That info just isn't so clear imo yet though.
Sorry, for the long comment. I usually am the quiet type, but I love Zelda anything.
Yeah I know what you mean. For me personally, I think the sky islands was what I was most disappointed about. It would have been fantastic to see more, non barren islands in the sky, perhaps even something related to Skyloft too would have been fantastic
God, i really wish this was all in the game, because this all would have given ToTK maybe rhe best story in the series, but this id all we get i suppose.
"Sonia is the ancestor of all Zelda's."
No - only Zelda's after their time (refounding of Hyrule, 10,000+ years after the other Zelda games), and those would all be half goat 😂 Stupid lore, they're not even trying anymore.
Tears of the kingdom was pretty good
Why is all of this in a book about the game? I wish we could've discovered all of these details in the game itself. Why do they not put these things in the games?
@@v7ave Because Nintendo is a _game developer_ first and a storyteller second. To them, an expanded and engaging narrative is secondary to your entertainment having fun playing a videogame.
Miyamoto hates stories. As far as we can tell, that's the only reason. Lots of devs at Nintendo would like to put more stories in their games, but Miyamoto hates it. Sometimes little bits and pieces leak out, like how they had to hide the story in Mario Galaxy from Miyamoto, and how he made sure that didn't happen again in Galaxy 2.
Whyyy is he like this 😢 @@mjc0961
It would be hard to balance this much stuff with the rest of the game's events, so I think it makes sense for the game's story itself to be more focused on Link's journey and for this book to explain the greater picture.
@@javiervasquez625Other Zelda games included their stories in the games themselves
Fire Emblem and Xenoblade also exist
So a ton of new interesting lore that even connects a few things from tears of the kingdom to breath of the wild and the past 20,000 years ago in the founding of hyrule but we still do don't know what happened to the spirit of the hero and why that one costume of the ancient hero is what it is and why it fucking has red hair, we now absolutely don't know where the triforce is with the information that the tears are just a part of dragons, and still no focus on the timeline cause anouma is so afraid to tell people that a game decidely goes "there" in the timeline for no reason other then he's annoying.
At least people in the community are finally unanamously backing the whole its in the doomed timeline thing.
Any you have learned the Master Works about Kotake and Koume?
The only thing that is said about them is that they were Ganondorf's "right arms", or collaborators. Nothing is said about them being TOTKdorf's mothers.
I'll take a look through the book again to see if I can find anything else but I don't think much more is said about them, unfortunately
Not hating at all, I really like your videos a lot. But I think you could work on speaking in a more natural an less broken up manner
I appreciate it! A few others have expressed similar opinions so I have tried to incorporate that feedback into the script of the next video on Echoes of Wisdom (which I have finished recording already). Hopefully it feels at least a little better to listen to than my performance on this video.
These concepts seem so much better than the actual game we got, if I’m honest
Skyward Sword Interpretation: Din created the Land by burying the Old World, that of demons, alive.
From what I pieced together from the previous video;
The Zonai collaborated with the Mogma to mine the Depths, but they fled into the sky after they dug TOO deep, unleashing the demonic hordes of the Old World, prompting the War Between Gods and Demons.
And now Nintendo's claiming that, at some point in TotK's development, Sonia was intended to be an ancestor of ALL the Zeldas, including Skyward Sword Zelda.
But at the same time; the Master Works also proposed MULTIPLE answers to single questions in the same book, namely the depths statues possibly being an enemy faction, or an earlier form of the zonai, or something else entirely.
I think Nintendo wants us to pick and choose what we believe is and isn't canon for ourselves.
There are even some elements of the Designer's Notes which purposely leave specific points up to interpretation which I was surprised about. But yeah, it seems like they want to give us the freedom to choose what we want. Although I feel like a bit too much freedom can also feel a little restrictive sometimes as well
@1:42 & @4:58 "Far more intricate than portrayed in the game".
That's so sad.. scurrying around desperately to put out a book to try and tell an actual story after the fact. When the thing they put out after 6 years feels so underwritten.
All of this is making me realize the Zelda fanbase is pretty stupid sometimes.
Zelda games retcon lore constantly, but for some reason forgot that upon Tears' release. The entire fanbase backlash of the story honestly even gaslit me into thinking something was wrong.
Nope! The retcons are intentional just like with every other Zelda game, and everyone is just overthinking themselves into a tizzy to cope with a story they dont like.
Yeah. Back in the day, OoT came out as the prequel to AlttP, and it had far more retcons than TotK does. Yet, you don’t hear a peep about that nowadays. The devs adjusting the lore and adding new interpretations/work arounds has been a thing throughout the series history.
Retcons are cool... if the new lore they replace the old one with makes any actual sense.
@@benjaminlammertz64 And it does. Actually fleshes out other games.
Thank you for spilling the truth lmao, ToTK doesn't even retcon all that much to begin with anyways, they just overexpected from ToTK, on all fronts.
@@benjaminlammertz64 made perfect sense to me, but I also went in with an open mind that some elements would be changed, just like with every other Zelda.
The forbidden fetus fruits
Your speech pattern is really staccato like... its kinda strenuous to listen to cause it sounds very artifical...
Wait, what?
"Sonia was designed to be the ancestor of all the Zelda's"
So much for refounding theory...
Maybe the Wind Waker Rito just took a metric fuckton of creative liberties with the art style? With Laruto and Koboli, I initially thought the Rito were the result of hylians and zora reproducing together, but now?
I wonder if Sonia being before all the Zeldas includes Skyward Sword?
thats so bs it just doesnt work at all. we have literaly skyward sword zelda. sonia looks the least like any zelda in the series. the devs honestly fcked up wtf
@@zakzerak7191 Maybe they designed Sonia with that in mind but ultimately scrapped that detail?
Refounding theory is dead. The timeline in Master Works heavily implies this Ganondirf comes before OOT Ganondorf too. Let it go and move on at this point lmao
@@abdieljove2011 it doesnt at no point in the book oot ganondorf is referenced or mentioned and the book still says that after totk ganondorf there was no record of other gerudo kings.
its still ambiguous as to wheter its refounding or not
Hearing all of this stuff just makes me dislike TotK more because of how much they left out of the game, this would've made it more to continue playing.
Kotodama? how digimon in digimon survive can be called digimon i like because words can have power aka language or script and a program language of digital data can be language and when kotodama distorted aka corrupted data to a digimon and thizs spiritual power alter reality explain a similar but different how digimon use information manipulation can alter the real world. This just must theory, its not Zelda related just randomly throught of it
Okay im probably crazy but hear me out. The TOTK stuff with the past is pre skyward sword. That would explain the robots and time shift stones. The robots in Skysword are probably zoni tech. The remnants of the zoni taught the sheika. Demise who was puppeting the first gannon got mad and revealed himself. Leading to the prologe of skyward sword. The big red pit in OoT is malice. That gannon is tapping into the sealed gannons power. That's why he came back with no problem in 2/3 timelines and created his own by winning. We've had two zeldas at the same time. Why not two gannons? That would also mean the dragon break that happens to unite all three timelines was probably zelda in dragon form, healing the master sword up in the sky barrier. This would also back up and be backed up IMO by the awesome youtber that made bideo connecting all the maps together. If i find the video again, I'll edit this.
It’s not.
I did think that some of the ruined husks of dead/destroyed/rusted robots in TotK looked unusually similar to the robots in Skyward Sword
@@valentineomalley7290 Nothing at all.
@@AarturoSc Wow, simple and to the point (without misinformation this time). You get a like. 👍
The Zonai were all but wiped out by the time they ruled the surface of ancient Hyrule. Rauru and Mineru were the last of their kind. The ancient Sheikah built their technology to defeat Calamity Ganon which took place long after Ganondorf's imprisonment.
Did you used AI for the voice cuz I swear to god, theres a stop every single word makes it so hard to watch
Is that a AI voice ?
I like your content, but I feel like you're reading a bit too robotically. If you maybe made it a little more natural, it would be way easier to listen to. But otherwise, this is some really good stuff
Please take this as a real criticism and not a hate comment. Could you please try to not speak as if there is a period after every word? The narration sounds like early AI speech models except the voice actually sounds human. It's just the that it's spoken that sounds robotic and off putting.
I appreciate the feedback, thank you
It would've been so awesome if we got a game with all this story and lore
Strange choice to just write a book but never make a game for it
Where can i buy this?
I bought the Japanese version from Amazon Japan
🤔Am. I. The. Only. One. Noticing. That. Each. Word. Or. Phrase. He. Said. In. This. Vid. Had. A. Period. At. The. End. For. Some. Reason.?🤔
No, you aren't the only one 😞 this is truly terrible narration on this video. I can't finish it. Too jarring for me
I. Am. Sorry. For. The. Inconvenience. I. Will. Do. My. Best. To. Improve. It. Next. Time. Thank. You. For Your. Feed.Back.
@@QuestWithAaron Nah man, I find your narration fine. Its brain rot people that can't handle the nice calm slowness of the narration you do.
I'm sorry, but the more we learn, the more cheated I feel. I don't want to be THAT guy, but why the FUCK wasn't any of this in the actual game?! Seriously, this would've made the story SO much better!
The deeper I dig into TotK's story, I more I hate it. They dropped the ball so hard.
@@ShallBePurified And that we're not getting DLC only makes it worse.
Wow
I am so intrigued, but I can't handle the robotic voice
Apologies, I'll go for a human one next time
Yes it's seriously turning me off from fininshing the video
You know, a connection to think about i haven't seen anyone touch upon yet.
As far as i know there's only been one "Zelda" with darker skin like Sonia before: -Petra.- Tetra.
In which case, i wonder if Sonia is actually a descendant of Tetra's then. Being only the ancestor of all Zeldas that came after her, in a vast time-gap we haven't seen, instead of at the _beginning_ beginning before Wind Waker.
@@fallatiuso That would contradict Spirit Tracks where _Tetra's_ (not "Petra's") descendants already have fair caucasian skin as they rule over a brand new landmass they call Hyrule miles and miles away from the old kingdom where both the Master Sword and the latest incarnation of Ganondorf were left to be buried by the Great Sea, without any sign of either the sword or Ganondorf been salvageable from all that sea water trapping them for eternity.
The reason why Sonia is tanned skined is due to her been a Zonai-Hylian _hybrid_ just like all the tanned skined Hylians we see guarding over her during Zelda's memories of her time in the past.
@@javiervasquez625 ...i can't believe i misremembered her name. haha
Honestly i don't see why this can't be that new land either. The people in Zelda seems to have a habit of naming things the same names over and over. Though i am no surprised if it turns out to be a post-great-sea Hyrule.
Meanwhile the master sword's a divine relic that could probably find it's way back somehow in an unheard tale. (especially if this Hyrule is post-great sea, which would make it easier to recover it after the divine waters receded. )
But i don't know about Sonia being a hybrid tbh. I think she's a pure Hylian personally.
Not to mention, it seems more like she was the Hylian making the hybrids to me. 😏
@@fallatiuso Daphnes Literally wished the Triforce to _destroy_ the entire kingdom of Hyrule alongside Ganondorf and the Master Sword with it... could the Master Sword randomly make its way to the Land of the Lokomos without any logical explanation which wouldn't bypass Daphnes's wish "just because"...? Somehow i doubt it.
Did you just shove aside all those _other Hylians_ we see alongside Sonia in Zelda's memories? They also share her tanned skin and elongated ears as a direct cause of crossbreeding between Zonai and Hylian.
@@javiervasquez625
I'll be honest, somehow my mind bypassed them entirely due to being background characters.
Strongly doubt they're hybrids honestly. I think they're just regular if dark-skinned Hylians. Hylians have always had the elf ears if i recall.
And it's not like you need to couple with a space-goat-bunny to get darker skin either, or it would raise some questions for Tetra and them all. haha
Re-watching the ending of WW, He didn't actually wish directly for Ancient Hyrule to be destroyed, but to be washed away; He wished for a future with hope for Tetra, Link, and the world.
So i figure old Hyrule wasn't so much physically destroyed as much as it was flooded and forgotten. Left in the past.
But really, it still doesn't stop someone else in the future making their own wish to regain the sword, or beseeching the gods for assistance and it descends from on high, or by divine plan recovering it to fight yet another reincarnated Ganon/dorf, which seems to happen a lot.
Alternatively it just washes up somewhere, likely again due to divine providence.
(Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if _even after_ being physically destroyed the master sword could still somehow be reforged back into physicality "from it's spirit", in a spirit realm, from its "divine essence", or something else like that. Not the first time it's been physically reforged, or spiritually restored.
The master sword is a pretty exceptional object after all.)
(ahh, sorry for long response btw.)
Most disappointing Zelda game in recent history.
This confirms the narrative potential of TOTK and the disappointing story of the final game. Maybe Nintendo could explore this narrative in another warriors game. But that’s just wishful thinking.
I sure hope not. Warriors is such a dull unfun game style. I'd rather they put this in something that's engaging instead. Even hiring some animators to turn it into a video series would be more interesting than another awful Warriors game.
This game, hoo boy…how much I HATED it by the time I finished the final boss with Dragon Ganondorf. It fails as a sequel, it fails as a game trying to capture BotW’s amazing atmosphere, it fails as a game worth 6 years waiting AND $70.
I wanted more about the Sheikah and their tech, the Divine Beasts and Guardians, the first battle with Calamity Ganon, the Champions and their successors. Instead, it copies so much of reused premises that make Nintendo games a bore to play because they like to just copy and paste plots and stories.
Even listening to this book makes me think they never wanted to actually follow Breath of the Wild, it’s established reality or anything. Heck, the Yiga Clan felt like an almost scrapped concept given how easy it is to overlook Kohga and those in the Depths. Everything about BotW is better than TotK and the “world breaking s***” they tried to replace it with. No building your own stupid mechs will replace what I experienced in the first game.
I actually really liked the final fight with Ganondorf, I thought it was very atmospheric. With that said, I would absolutely love to see more fleshed out sky islands and places to find in the Depths. Perhaps a little more variation with monsters too, like the Frox- they were excellent
@@QuestWithAaronI thought the battle was way too easy (Dragon form) because it’s way too easy to avoid his attacks. At least the giant boar of BotW has you on horse back, not flying around in the skies.
He isn’t even that impressive a form when you remember the nightmare fuel that was Calamity Ganon at the end of the first game. I don’t even get why he is dressed like a samurai this time.
@@asterthehedgehog6861 I absolutely agree with you that the demon dragon fight was too easy. I get that they were going for a more cinematic feel, but it really didn't feel like a threat at all gameplay wise. There is a section in the book that talks about the silk road and it's influence of Ganondorfs design. It's pretty cool
@@asterthehedgehog6861 His samurai garb is really weird considering the Gerudo are based on Middle Eastern cultures from Antiquity.
@@Kruegernator123 But the Gerudo like the other races were heavily influenced by the Zonai in this timeline thus the samurai look fits lore wise.
Ancestor of all Zeldas, you say?😁
I know right? 😅 As many have pointed out, it's probable Aonuma was merely been metaphorical about it without _actually_ intending to say Sonia does in fact predate all the Zeldas we've seen across the timeline without contradicting everything we know about the established lore. Either he's using figurative speech or he's lost all his brain cells (i'm pretty much sold on the former alternative).
@@javiervasquez625 Oh, I've been theorizing that Rauru's Hyrule is the nation that fell before Skyward Sword from the moment I finished the Dragon Memories.
@@RyuuKageDesu That doesn't make any sense, no offense.
she was designed to look like the ancestor of all Zelda's but was put in the game where she's the reincarnation of all zeldas
@@javiervasquez625 It does make a crazy amount of sense, and has a lot of explanation power. It doesn't work with some commonly held fan theories, but the games are the primary canon.
I really hope the intended.l Does a better job with the english localization... They are completely terrible when it comes to the legend of Zelda series regarding translation and Sonia Is confirmed to be a descendant of skyward sword Zelda
Neat lore. Too bad they left it out of the game. At least they included a giant barren underworld.
The Depths were great when entering them for the first time, although I did find that that magic quickly wore off. I think one of the problems comes with the design philosophy for it. It feels like they didn't want to make people feel like they missed out on too much if they didn't explore the Depths completely. Once you start going from light root to light root, however, it does begin to feel repetitive quite quickly and I felt like there wasn't much satisfaction or excitement from finishing it either- just an uninteractable medal.
Good thing none of this was in the game right? Haha who would want a good story and rich narrative details? Lol!
Right, so, TOTK has a good story... but you can find it in a book! And I don't even want to know how a child from Sonia and Rauru even look like.
It has a good story in the game if you try and play it sometime.
@@Lulu-ot5gw Hard cope, but I played, BOTW is still superior.
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Story wise, I kind of agree. Gameplay, though, Totk takes the crown between the two; the caves and sky islands made exploration much more... in depth. 😂 Badum, tiss.
@@hanburgundy4317 Neither the Sky Islands nor the Depths house anything meaningful except for a few shrines, Sage's Wills, and Amiibo gear from BotW.
@@hanburgundy4317 Sometimes less is more. I appreciate now what BOTW had to offer.
Extremely huge worlds bore me, but this is subjective.
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6:48 is why everyone shouts their special moves in anime?
I think Bleaxg explicitly states understanding the meaning of the word and screaming out loud evoke power. Plus I think this trope is all over the word. The very idea speaking out spells by muttering lost arcane runes to cast powerful magic.
7:56 Super Saiyan 3 Rauru
I reckon he'd look good as a SSJ4 as well
1:00 You have to be freaking kidding me!
I swear to god, I'm going back to the thing I believed in the first few weeks after TotK came out: that they had de-canonized all Zelda games prior to BotW and they were starting from scratch.
I stopped beliving that when Fujibayashi said in an interview that no, that the previous Zelda games were still in continuity, and that the Hyrule from the Wild era was essentially a third Hyrule after the previous two were destroyed. But I'm starting to believe Fujibayashi just made up that reply on the spot out of panic.
Yeah, Aonuma now has completely lost track of WHAT THE HECK they are doing if he's willing to indulge the notion Sonia is THE ancestor to *ALL* the Zeldas despite the explicit contradictions to the lore seen across the entire series to even entertain such a notion. If it's indeed the case that Sonia preceeds all the Zeldas across the whole timeline, then screw it: I AM DONE caring about the "story" in this franchise.
This is not the first time we’ve seen a “definitive first” Princess Zelda. Z2 had that element as a back story, and it got retconned too.
Sonia might have just been the first royal in the kingdom’s refounding.
It's obviously:
SS Zelda > Sonia > every other Zelda.
The refounding theory is dumb and is just fan cope.
@@stuffz1757 Yey, the misinformed, trolling party pooper has arrived to the comment thread.
I mean, that's what you should believe, seeing as Nintendo recently put out a timeline that says BotW and TotK are completely removed from all the previous games. They're not set hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of years after the ends of the other games. They're a brand new disconnected timeline.
(and for the people who need to hear this, Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity isn't on the timeline, proving for the billionth time that a spinoff "what if?" game isn't canon. not sure why people expected it to be canon in the first place because it would mean BotW doesn't happen if it is canon, but there we go, Nintendo confirmed it again so people can STFU about it)