Archery FAQ: How to string a Horsebow?
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2017
- In this video I show a few (sure not all) methods of how to string reflexed bows. Most of these methods are from the book Saracen Archery.
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I’m glad I stumbled across this. I’ve been binge watching your channel. So much better than TV! I see you stringing bows in all your other videos and you make it look so easy, but you never show the bow end on your ankle. It was helpful to see the whole view. Since I’m just getting started, I need to learn all these little details. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
Thank you for this. I'm writing a story about a character who is good at mounted archery, and I needed to know whether he'd need to dismount to string his bow. Glad to find that he doesn't :)
Can we read the story?
@@yugen Eventually! I'm still working on it at the moment though.
@@Ruiluth how is it coming along now?
@@fatrooster4632 slowly...
@@Ruiluth finished yet?
Really clear and informative, thanks for taking the time to do this.
Another excellent video. I read in Arab Archery of a very interesting strining technique where you basically shove the bow up your right sleeve and it comes out the left strung and ready. Magic!
Thanks Armin , important video ! Step through works best for me with the higher reflexed Asian bows . A beginner can practice in a long mirror to see whats happening as I string a reflexed bow or get someone to watch you and make sure the technique is good .
@Armin Hirmer. Actually you didn’t do badly with the horse method of stringing the bow. You just didn’t have the horse to hold you steady as you would have been on a saddle. I do thank you for the video. It was most helpful.
Very Informative Armin, much appreciated.
To execute the horseback (using the leg) method properly, place the bow limb in front of your tibia and put the lower limb under your foot, on the inside leg side. The grip must rest on the outside of the leg, just behind the knee. Bending the leg creates a little pocket where the grip should stay. The picture in the book is not very accurate, but the text is better.
There is another method that can be used on horseback, and that is by placing the bow behind your shoulder, but it is even more difficult with highly reflexed bows.
Regarding the squatting method, again, the text in the book is more accurate. As the book says, attach the string on the limb that sits on the thigh (ignore the picture ...again). And try squatting, not sitting down:
- Start in the position you use for the step through method
- Put the string on the upper limb, not on the lower one.
- Bring the lower limb up just above your knee. The bow will be about parallel to the ground.
- Squat (or kneel like a knight, but keep your knee up as it supports the lower limb)
- Pull the upper limb up and place the string on the nock that sits on you thigh
This is my preferred method. It does not bend the limbs, and you have more control than with the step-through method.
thanks
I can't wait to get my AF Manchu bow in. Thanks for the many ways to load and unload the bow. This will be my first bow in the tartar/warbow types.
Thumbs up. this is perfect. I have a new Nomad Warrior Horse Bow coming in the next few days.
Thank you! I subscribed. every video of yours has helped me so much!
thank you
Ton of help, very much appreciated!
I watched your video as it turned midnite.. happy New year keep up the great work
Happy New Year to you and your family Bob. Thanks for your support!
@ 1:12 When you're doing the balancing on one-foot while stringing, that's where taichi practice pays off... 😁
@ 1:36, the manuscript drawing shows pulling the bow body DOWN over the top of your 2nd leg.
This is most likely done while solder is in a "horse stance" (a kung fu stance), one foot stepping above one tip of the bow, hand pulling down the other tip, while bending the bow body over your 2nd leg.
Don't ever put your own face in the rebound path of the bent bow, lest a hand loses control, and the tip whips back poking an eye out.
Thank you for this video. I just received my Yuwen bow. First recurve bow ever. On to stringing the bow now...
Its great to mentioned about Turkish - Ottoman - Tatar meanings. Ottoman and Tatars both Turkish. As a Half Tatar and half Balkanian Turkish, thanks for explanation and video
yes that was my bad, of course both are turkish. it happened because the bowobuilder called this bow turkish bow and the other tatar.... sorry
I like the standing up position on a kick stand I’m getting used it is become easier to assemble the bow
Thanks for the video. This help me string my bow.
Thank you so much!! Needed this video.
+Arvid Ooms welcome and thanks for watching
Thank you. Very informative.
Helpfull... thank you very much Armin
i thank you for watching and your comment :)
I like the step through method best
Thank you Armin - for my horse bow I used the Chinese technique you show with an assistant - My assistant was my “Misses” - she is Hungarian and the blood of her Ancestors fired through her as she added her not to be sniffed at muscle to the pounds I was struggling to pull and hooked the fifty pounder in the sweet spot - much love to you brother 🌞
Great info ! Thanks very much!!
thank you for watching
When I don't use a cord stringer, I use a variation of step through where I place the lower limb on my thigh instead of my calf. Works better for me that way. Kaya shows that way in the brochure that came w their bows.
yes with short bows this works too. Up to how much # you can do that this way?
Excuse me, you asked Mike, but I´d like to chime in. Personally I use same method to string 80# ottoman biocomposite.
thank you
The first sitting method looks like a great option for me.
Thank you Sir really appretiate it 😊
This is very interesting with the wide variety of stringing methods. I noticed on the Alibow website that they have a simple stringing device (it's even called a "Simple Stringer") that works quite different to the common "Western" style stringer. The pictures indicate that it is kind of like a foot stirrup that holds the handle in place and the tip is bent in similar fashion to the step through method only the tip is bent vertically in the opposite directly to a normal stringer. Has anyone tried this method?
Big thank you
Thank you for this info. Got my Grözer biocomposite turkish bow, and that last method looks best way to string it safely. Or end up looking like Wile E. Coyote.....
:) enjoy your bow and post a video, so I can see the bow in action :) thanks for watching
I like to use push and pull method, I always felt like i'm twisting the limbs when I do step through. For me the step through method's contact position is uneven, and the way to bent the bow is easy to curve it away from the center and torque the bow.
I needed this. My Csaba Grózer Old Scythian bow jumped on me when I was stringing it yesterday! Ouch! String drew blood on my hand! (New bowstring -- the loops may have been too big.)
oh take care and get well and thanks for watching
First one waz the best
I learned the step-through method as a kid, but I shied away from it for fear of twisting the limbs. I can't really tell if the limbs are straight while doing it, so I just use a stringer now. The cross-legged position looks interesting, and I wonder if it suffers from the same problem as the step-through.
I had no idea the variety. Sheesh.
One couldn't string ones bow if your out side shooting sitting on grass land it seems awkward in a breeze even with the string round ones waist
Is it true these methods such as the step thru method can cause warps in the limbs? Why do I keep seeing that they do everywhere?
Armin, I think I'll stay with the 'step through' method or bow stringer.
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Me too :)
This helped me a lot, thank you.
Can you tell us more about Strings materials for bows? Dacron vs Flemish Loops (nylon or other w less stretch). Is Flemish safe with a Horse Bow? TY
yes, I might do a video about it
My Grozer Mongol fiberglass bow arrived today. I haven't been this happy in months :D One question though, how do you know which part is the top and which is bottom? String wise as well. Bigger loop is the top?
I mean, I already found the answers to those questions, on your channel. I just thought it be helpful for people to see it here, on this video, coming from you. Seeing as how the video doesn't cover it. :D
both big loops on the end how to determine upper one from lower one ?
check your centre serving, should be a bit out of the middle (the shorter end is then the upper one)
Which version is recommended for the very C shaped ones?
I have the most trouble unstringing the bow. Each time it snaps back to its original position without me being able to control it. I don’t know how to do this more safely for myself and the bow...
more practice
what method is "best" for a moderately heavy to heavy draw weight?
I used the assistance method with the included bow stringer on my new 60 pounder today.
I loathe asking for assistance stringing my bows ...
Depends on the bow design try what works for you
I have a question - my oak ridge sada horsebow just arrived - and when I shoot the string pops-up from the bow... what should I do? are the holes too little?
Can have different reasons. String can be too long, siyahs could be twisted, arrows too light
great video , is there a difference between tatar and mongolian bows ?
Yes
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You forgot the foot loop - bowgrip sling.
You can make one of these from a yard of thick nylon rope. Bring the two ends together and then tie the two cut ends together in a single or double knot, with about 6 inches of tail. Then tie the loop end in a knot leaving a big enough loop for your foot. Lay the knotted end over the bow grip and pass the other loop end around the grip and through the knotted loop, Twice if you like, this forms a jam. The harder you pull on it the less it will slide anywhere. Then put the other loop on your right foot. Lay the siyah which is to be protected from the ground and from twisting over a thick pillow, siyah concave down, gently secure with your left foot. Then simply pull up on the remaining right siyah with the loose bowstring and slide the bowstring onto the siyah slot.
This can even be used to string crossbows and heavy turkish bows where there is a danger of twisting the limbs.
of course it is not complete... there are many more way :) thanks for your input
Hi can I use a pocket n rubber block type recurve stringer on a horsebow....? Just order my bearpaw horseman as my first horsebow, thx.
Hi. Yes with the horseman it will be fine to use. Other horse bows like monglian or hungarian will not work with the stringer
Armin Hirmer thx! Is that mean if there are siyahs on the limbs, I with need one of the methods in this vid? Thx again.
yes, there is a way with a strap around the limbs and your whole body, but step through will do the jo for these bows :D
What happens when the string is broken where i gets it for remplacement
from where you bought the bow and here are some dedicated string makers out there too
What bow is that
Is it ok to keep these horsebows stringed all the time? (for display when not being used etc) or should I unstring when not in use?
I would always unstring them
@@ArminHirmer ok, will do. Thanks!
I just got my horsebow from Alibow but haven't had a chance to string and shoot it. You *can* use a stringer, yes? That's what I'm used to and with my luck I'd probably twist the limbs trying anything else.
Well I string all my horsebowxs with the step through method. Works fine for me. Simply when you push the limb, make sure it is forward, don't twist your body, then you don't twist the limbs :) have fun
I'll try it :)
:) have fun and thanks for watching
The bow i just got came with a string that is bigger then the bow. Did they send the wrong string?
which bow did you get and from whom? of course when the string is longer then the bow itself, it is the wrong string
I figured out the string get strung a odd way and it is indeed the right string but ir has no twists to it. The bow i have is 28" 30# and the string is 45" long. Do u know how many times i should twist the string? Everytime i pull the string back it pops off the bow. (sorry for the hard to read reply)
I am using this video to convince some local museum that they string a bow on wrong side.
Why that?
Is it possible to use a bow stringer from the standing position, placing the loops into the notches in the siyah tips?
Tricky
I would not recommend this. When you put the strings in the notches, the bowstring loop that you string in also goes in the notches and pins the stringer down. To remedy this, you have to unstring it and remove the stringer, but you effectively now have to re-string it. I tried this various ways with my niece's 35# horsebow and getting the one pinned string loop out was almost impossible without harming the bow or string in the process. With my 60# bow, this would be absolutely impossible.
@@Lycantis Thanks for sharing your experience. Having now had the chance to try this myself, I find that it is indeed possible, with some care, to use an ordinary recurve stringer to string a horsebow. The trick is to put a string loop into the notch before sliding the pocket end of the stringer onto that end. Then slide the loop end of the stringer over a nice flat part of the opposite limb, as far as you can get it toward the siyah. Feed the other loop of the bow string through the loop of the stringer and hold it with one hand. Step on the middle part of the stringer on the ground. Pull up on the handle of the bow with the other hand. Slip the string loop into the other notch. Depending on the angles of reflex of the limbs and especially the siyahs, this method can be unstable in the initial phase of pulling the bow, as the bow wants to rotate in your hand. To prevent this, you can use the hand that holds onto the bow string loop to grip onto the limb and prevent it rotating around. Once you pull to a certain distance, it becomes stable on its own. When unstringing the bow, reverse this entire process, and make sure to hold the bow securely as you let it back down toward the end, as it will want to rotate in your hand again.
@@johnbarron4265 This is indeed the method I ended up doing, as well. Unfortunately I have a collagen deficiency and it ripped my right shoulder oout of socket and pulled several joints loose in my spine, as well as subluxing my ribs.
As far as stringing goes, I've not had an issue with the step-through, but I am having to put in a lot more effort to use a stringer at all.
@@Lycantis I tend to agree with you on the step-through method being the preferred stringing method, especially with heavier draw weight bows. My lower spine is fused and it can't hold a lot of weight directly, so I use step-through as much as possible, and save the stringer for the high-end bows.
were did you buy the book Saracen archery
found it as PDF online
I know this video is about stringing a horse bow and is very informative. The question I have is (What is a typical brace height for a Mongolian style horse bow with string bridges. I ordered the bow about five years ago but havent been shooting for about two years. It only came with one string and I did not get around to making a back up. When I took the bow out of the case the string was gone. I was also missing a string on my recurve. The mongolian bow does not have the amo info on the bow. It has the draw weight but thats all. I have made several strings for recurves and long bows but never a string for a bow with Siyhas and string bridges. Knowing what the brace height is would give me a base. Sorry for rambling so long but you seem very knowledgable on horse bows. It appears you have shot at least 30 different styles. This is why I chose to pick your brain. Any info would be much appreciated. I believe my string thief is a little mouse.
I would go for about 7 to 7.5” but it depends a bit on the bow and bowmaker
@@ArminHirmer thank you. I wish I could find the original order form. I ordered it off of Amazon and it was made in China. I paid around $150. US dollars around 5 yrs ago. I made a string as a trial to get me close. Its at 7 inches now but Im still getting a little wrist slap. I will go up a little and see if that helps. Thanks for responding and I realy enjoy watching your videos. I always learn something new. Btw my bow is 65lbs at 28inches. and I absolutely love it.
Mix one part flour,one part sugar and one part bicarbonate of soda ,mix well, keep it dry and leave it for that friggin mouse...end of mouse.
I will like to get a bow like that...how can I get it? Where?
I did so many reviews here, I am sure you will find one and the bow makes will be in the description
Hi Armin . any recommendations for a short Turkish bow around the 50lb at 31'' mark . Have a korean Hwarang , and an skb ... but fancy a nice Turkish at about the same length. In fact perhaps doesn't have to be Turkish , could be Symian or whatever, just something light compact and smooth.
Hi John, the only turkish bows I have and shot with a draw more than 30" are from Vegh Hungary, they draw 32" and are really smooth. 50# should be no problem. I got them from www.elite-bogen.com in Germany
thanks Armin , ill check them out . Ive thought of Grozer as well . I have one already( bought on ebay) but its a bit heavy . He does however do a nice Symian though I would have to buy it from Hungary and I'm not too sure how reliable that would prove . Its a bi composite so the real thing , but is that the best these days ...not sure.
never shot a Grozer as he never got back to me when I asked him if he wants to work with me :)
ahhh I've heard he's a bit on the unreliable side ...lol
hehe
hi! is it a horn bow?
Do you twist the horsebow string to get to your proper brace?
usually not. Not every bow likes a twisted string. mostly they have the right brace height already. if not you could tie knots close to the string loops
Thanks for the info!
What's the name of that bow in the video?
Turkish Bow by Alibow
Feiyue shoes? have you practiced wushu?
The string is so annoying when i try to string the bow,the lower limb's string fell
practice makes perfect :)
Cant you tell me where i can buy the original horsebow...? Iam your fans from indonesia. ✌️
what is an original horsebow? you have so many good bow builders in Indonesia, check them out. they build nice fibreglass bows
Many thanks for your additional information sir, did you know who is the most bulders bow in indonesia,,? Cause iam affraid for the immitation bow sir. Cant you help me for getting most builders..? 😁
There are so many bow builders in Bandar Lampung, Lampung. check them out dude.
The text of Saracen Archery contradicts the diagrams. The cross legged version of the bracing of a bow does not mention putting the leg between the string and the bow. Instead the description is almost identical to the modern way that Koreans string a highly reflexed bow. The grip is put under the knee so the whole process is simpler and you have more leverage. The hand that puts the loop into the bow is also different. It is the nock resting on the thigh that is empty. An illustration in the Hidayat al-Ramy in the British Library shows four archers bracing bows in different ways. One is sitting cross legged using the method current in Korea. Your preferred two knee method is exactly how the text describes it contrary to the illustration.
Why the diagrams are different from the text is a mystery. They could have been influenced by the confused description in Arab Archery where either the author or the translator mixes up left and right in an attempt to describe two ways of bracing cross legged.Incidentally, the military bracing method actually requires you to put the base of the upper limb near the grip on the right knee, which is much stronger and suitable for heavy moderately reflexed bows. The right leg in this case is between the bow and the string. Though that information was added by the translator it is necessary to get maximum leverage.
The kemend method with the rope is very strong. I have used it with a reflexed horn and sinew bow that was too difficult to brace by myself (it was too long and heavy at 80+ lbs to brace cross legged) and it was smooth and safe. It can be used with an assistant to put the loop in the nock if the archer is concentrating on the strength of the bow.
There is another method used in Korea that was known in the Middle East where you step between the bow and the string with one end loose, put the free nock on your thigh and pull the other bow end forward with your hand holding the other loop in the nock.
The bracing of the horseman works better with a horse between your legs and a bow with low to moderate reflex.
thats why i did not like it :)
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i always use a proper stringer with every bow I have . I worry about doing damage otherwise . all my bows are made to use a stringer and recurves have there own . its impressive to watch but not for me , im to scared of damage ! lol
I feel like it'd be easier to cause twist to a horsebow with a stringer than with that sitting down solo method around the 2:30 mark. Lots of control, and you can see everything you're doing.
Looks like alibow
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The correct term is actually Turkic, not Turkish. Turkish means only a tiny fraction of a huge number of peoples, that have great differences.
That's right. I simply use the term used by the bow builder
@@ArminHirmer Thanks for replying, and thanks for the informative videos. Good luck!
Broke my after attemptingt the first method, now I'm traumatized for life about using a horsebow
Happens, get over it
That sucks, Dont give up on horsebows they shoot amazing!
Did you break the bow? Sounded like that's what you meant to say
Anyone else feel like breaking it the 1st time? 😂
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